What is the "Dark" or "Black" Nobility?

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I've heard about these guys before, but I can't find any info.

The only stuff I've heard about though, is that you should just stay away.

The way people act about this, is as if:
If the Illuminati were an empire, these guys would be the ninja clan that could take all of them out in a day. But don't because they are working for the same power.

Anybody got any info?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations:

Check out the: unhivedmind, website. 2/tuff>craig oxley is on them like a pitbull ona poodle.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[eternal_spirit]

Icke covers this in the Biggest Secret.... heres a small part of what he covers on them.

The reptile-Aryans of Venice married into nobility bought themselves titles, and simply invented others. As a result from around 1171, they became known as the Black Nobility. Once again the Phonecians became the aristocracy. they operated across northern Italy into Genoa and into an area that became known as Lombardy, going north into now what's known as Switzerland.

Lombard is still a word widely used in the financial
industry and Lombard street is one of the best known streets in the city of London financial centre.
the royal families of Europe are of this bloodline including Britain . In 1066 another branch of their family invaded Britain.... The Norman William the Conqueror became King.

[barbitone]

I always felt that they must have been like secret bloodliners. So that royalty can interbreed without doing it in a direct way. Like they rotate the royal descendants through these "noble" bloodlines as a screen.

Something like that......:confused:

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

This is strange, because, from what I ahve heard about these people, is that they are more dangerous than the illuminati itself. :confused:

However, I fear niether one. I'm just searching for something.

[eternal_spirit]

This is strange, because, from what I ahve heard about these people, is that they are more dangerous than the illuminati itself. :confused:

However, I fear niether one. I'm just searching for something.

............

The Illuminati where just one group of many so to call the rulers of the world that is really a misnomer. But then again it means illuminated mind and goes way back in time Illumined enlightened etc masons for one use this term.

What is is you need to know?

[spacegurl]

If you search on The Black Nobility most references will be on David Icke's book and paranoid Illuminati conspiracy sites. You have to sift through those and reach more factual info. The Black Nobility is the name for Italian aristocrats who sided with the papacy.

The Lombards are also a Germanic tribe that settled in northern Italy. The Aryans are a race of people that includes indo-Europeans, Persians, Indians and so on. The Phoenicians were semitic peoples who spoke Caanite and traded along the Mediterranean.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

But that doesn't answer why the Illuminati fears them.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Ok, this is what I understand so far.


You have 3 major groups.

Lowest is "Illuminati"

Higher than them is "The Black/Dark Nobility"

And the highest is unknown in name.

What I've come to realize is, is that there is a truth. A fundemental, unquestionable truth that the unknown group knows.

This is what I suspect:

Earlier on in time, this unknown group was the only group. Small, but the only one. They knew of this secret. However, from what I'm understanding, something happened that made them split.

Some of them looked to make personal gain from this secret.

Now comes, the Illuminati, and the Black Nobility.

The black nobility exist because of the dualism of this truth.
They are powerful. However, you now have the Illuminati. Long ago, they had forgotten what the truth was, and the people that knew it. But because they know so many things(sort of, the half truth of it) they are able to hae so much power still.

The reason why the illuminati want total control, is so they can find out WHO the people are that hold the secret. That is why the must dominate everything. That is why the must chip everything. So they can find this secret again. However, due to the Black Nobility not wanting them to know it, they are not able to do everything as they please. However, the black nobility are dying off. This is because the Illuminati are donig their best to make sure that no one can join. This is due to lack of education, self reflection, and other such things. The put as many things as they can out there, to make sure that no one can join either two sides.

This is what I believe is going on.

My question is though: What is the name of this unknown group?

Their numbers are actually quite large. Larger than the illuminati and the black nobility.

[synergy777]

the illuminati were simple bavarian branch of the elite, started by adam weishaupt. its falsley become a name for the whole elite. the highest echelon of the elite are unknown, under them is the papacy/jesuits/black nobility, under them the bilderbergers/illuminati/masons. rothschild's are financial men, and various industry moguls eg rockefeller, murdoch etc are their designated industry giants/agenda pushers.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

the illuminati were simple bavarian branch of the elite, started by adam weishaupt. its falsley become a name for the whole elite. the highest echelon of the elite are unknown, under them is the papacy/jesuits/black nobility, under them the bilderbergers/illuminati/masons. rothschild's are financial men, and various industry moguls eg rockefeller, murdoch etc are their designated industry giants/agenda pushers.

That's what I'm saying though.

The name Illuminati is just a used name.

But I'm saying what I know so far.

That these guys pushing the agenda are not rulers. They don't rule the world, we do. They have just led us to believe that they do. The Black Nobility is something I'm not too sure about if you should fear it or not I mean.

But this unknown group. They are not evil. They don't intervine in anything because it is not their place. They merely do what they wish. But I don't they have any big role in the world events. They just know exactly what is going to happen.

[Mo0n5tar]

Check out the Borgia, Guelph, Medici, Hanover, St Clair and Orange, Orange/Nassau on wikipedia or in a good encyclopedia.13th- late 16thC is interesting.
Springmeier is good on this subject.
http://home.tiscali.de/alex.sk/A_Springmeier.html
good: http://pages.prodigy.net/ptheroff/gotha/gotha.htm

[synergy777]

The Jesuits/papacy Are The Most Poweful "seen" Element Of The Lite, Also The Media.

The Masters Of The Elite Are I Believe The Dark Forces/fallen, As Stated In Ephesians. The Unseen, "missing Capstone".

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

The Jesuits/papacy Are The Most Poweful "seen" Element Of The Lite, Also The Media.

The Masters Of The Elite Are I Believe The Dark Forces/fallen, As Stated In Ephesians. The Unseen, "missing Capstone".

Yes, they are unseen. But does this mean it is because they are truely of the darkness, or do we just choose not to believe it is them infront of us?

Then again, we know that other realms exist, so who is to say they do not reside in another realm? But does that mean they are of a dark force?

Why is anything hidden percieved as "evil" or "dark"?
Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's dark. You have just not looked hard enough.

[synergy777]

being brown, the term black is always viewed as negative eg black monday, white as pure/positive, its conditioning. its funny because the masons see evil/lucifer as light.

they are unseen as they don't need the plebs to see them, they have power and realise being unseen give them complete freedom to do whatever they want. also they could be not of this realm, or a combination of the two eg possesion/masonic-occult rites. they know the power of occult arts, and they use them. see the exorcism of people etc, we know that evil exists, thats spirits, demons, djinn are here.

i just wish they would stop hiding and confont us in the open, lets see who would win. we will win and they know it, as when we unlock our potential, we are stronger than them.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

being brown, the term black is always viewed as negative eg black monday, white as pure/positive, its conditioning. its funny because the masons see evil/lucifer as light.

Exactly. But I think the Dark/Black Nobility is something of a dark force.


they are unseen as they don't need the plebs to see them, they have power and realise being unseen give them complete freedom to do whatever they want. also they could be not of this realm, or a combination of the two eg possesion/masonic-occult rites. they know the power of occult arts, and they use them. see the exorcism of people etc, we know that evil exists, thats spirits, demons, djinn are here.

It's funny that you use the word "occult", because occult only means "hidden". Occult isn't bad. It's what you do with it. Think of it this way.
Magic, and Alchemy being used in our lifes, could be seen like hacking a computer. Although many of us have only heard about it, not many of us can do it. But hacking can be a good thing, but also a bad thing. It just depends on what you do with it.

i just wish they would stop hiding and confont us in the open, lets see who would win. we will win and they know it, as when we unlock our potential, we are stronger than them.
The Black Nobility keeps it quite for these very reasons. However, both sides are hidden yes, but that is not to say they do not want to be found. They want you to find them. But can you?

[synergy777]

i'm not implying its bad but hidden. why do they hide it? who benefits. i believe spells etc are bad, as they are self serving. however knowledge of increasing awareness, spiritual powers is good as it helps development. maybe i should use esoteric instead of occult.

see alot of esoteric data is science, sacred geometry, metaphysics based. only for the initiated not profane.

[vienna]

it's simple, the elite keep their archives, accumulated over thousands of years via their mystery schools, hidden to maintain control over the masses, they only initiate and ELivate those they believe will keep their agenda - they are wholly negative to the individuallity and freedom of humanity

this planet could be a paradise with knowledge shared freely without them

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

i'm not implying its bad but hidden. why do they hide it? who benefits. i believe spells etc are bad, as they are self serving.

This is where you and I differ. It's not "self serving". It can be good. But think of it this way. You are wondering if the US did have something to do with 9/11. You know they did, but you want PROOF. If you could hack the system, would you? Magic, Spells, Alchemy, it's just hacking the illusion. That's all. And if you have the power to make things better for yourself, and for the world, then why not? But then you must wonder; is it really your place to do anything?

however knowledge of increasing awareness, spiritual powers is good as it helps development. maybe i should use esoteric instead of occult.
see alot of esoteric data is science, sacred geometry, metaphysics based. only for the initiated not profane.
This is the part were people get confussed. You think it has to do with bloodlines. This is only half true. When you try to show the wrongs and the evils of the Illuminati or the Black Nobility; if you are not connected with them, they label you as crazy. If you are connected, you're dead. If you try to uncover the information for only your self, they have no problem. They will give you info then! But I'm not after their info. I'm after this unnamed group.

The reason for this, is because they hold a secret that the others don't. And what I've come to believe, is that you can not just tell anyone the secret. Not because they are not in "the know", but because of two reasons:

1: If you are to sit down and talk with someone from this group about these matters, they do not want to take the time to explain EVERYTHING to you. Some things, you need to know before you can speak with them.

2: The power of discovery has much more effect than being taught, does it not?

They don't have to tell you ANYTHING! You have the right to know, but they have the right to keep quite. And frankly, the facts are right in front of you. You just have to know how to look. Where to look. And to search your inner self, and realize which is facts, and which is fiction.
They have no problem with you being in "the know", so long as you earn it.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

it's simple, the elite keep their archives, accumulated over thousands of years via their mystery schools, hidden to maintain control over the masses, they only initiate and ELivate those they believe will keep their agenda - they are wholly negative to the individuallity and freedom of humanity

this planet could be a paradise with knowledge shared freely without them

You're confussing it.

The elite are not as high as you think. Even the Black Nobility serve.

The true knowledge and secret is right in front of our faces. We just need to find it. But as I said, you must discover it, it can not be taught.

[vienna]

You're confussing it.

The elite are not as high as you think. Even the Black Nobility serve.

The true knowledge and secret is right in front of our faces. We just need to find it. But as I said, you must discover it, it can not be taught.

sounds like new age bulls**t again, where is your evidence for this and what are you basing this on? the research shows they're high enough to control the intelligence agencies anything past this is pure speculation - to say you know this speculation as fact is pure bull

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

sounds like new age bulls**t again, where is your evidence for this and what are you basing this on? the research shows they're high enough to control the intelligence agencies anything past this is pure speculation - to say you know this speculation as fact is pure bull

If you're going to curse, just curse. We are all above the age of 12.. Atleast physically.

My evidence is all over the place:
-The Gnostic Gospels
-The Vatican Encyclopedia
-History

It's all there.

But what I speculate, I never said it was fact.
But it is what I personally am starting to believe.

Then again, how is it bull? Or new age?
And doesn't new age just take from the old beliefs?
So, if what I am saying is from history, and new age takes from history, then history is full of crap?
Or is it just that I am full of crap?
Better yet, perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps I have finally hit the deep end and that I should be put in a mental house.
Maybe I was wrong to question anything. Was I?
How can I learn anything if I won't stop asking questions, right?
Please, if you feel you can, help me. If you know the truth, then tell me.

[vienna]

Or is it just that I am full of crap?
Better yet, perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps I have finally hit the deep end and that I should be put in a mental house.
Maybe I was wrong to question anything. Was I?
How can I learn anything if I won't stop asking questions, right?
Please, if you feel you can, help me. If you know the truth, then tell me.

nice to see a contrast from your last post and a bit of humility - 5 minutes ago you were claiming;

"The true knowledge and secret is right in front of our faces"-

the new tactic of claiming you're only 'asking questions' is a better one than claiming you already know them - stick with it, it's more honest and you're less liable to look like a pretentious twit

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

nice to see a contrast from your last post and a bit of humility - 5 minutes ago you were claiming;

"The true knowledge and secret is right in front of our faces"-

the new tactic of claiming you're only 'asking questions' is a better one than claiming you already know them - stick with it, it's more honest and you're less liable to look like a pretentious twit

Ok..

Question.

Do you believe that the world we live in is an illusion?

[vienna]

Ok..

Question.

Do you believe that the world we live in is an illusion?

you see how easily it is to get side tracked into fruitless garble talk? I thought we were talking about the elite - you now want to discuss vague wooly new age terms of reference which ultimately have no definition - define 'illusion' - you see the problem?

[synergy777]

its real as in we feel/smell/see it etc. its constuction is not solid, if solidity and real are intechangable, see often people equate reality with the five senses.

its construction is of wave/particle duality, science/physics proves this with the atoms (99% empty). hence everything is made from atoms, atoms have neutrons/protons(nucleus) with electrons whizzing around.
hence electrons gives us the electric universe etc.

we are in a field, which feels solid due to the interaction of forces, gravity, electromagnetic/static etc. added to this is the limitations of our bodyl (brains/eyes etc, eg visual spectrum, sensory based, aswell as mental/information-education/awareness).

we are in a small section of the universal bandwidth/dimensions, a small section of a greater dimension/frequency spectrum. imagine the electromagnetic spectrum as all the dimensions, and we occupy the visual spectrum/small section of it. there most are probably 1 to 11/12 dimensions, we are in the lower end, dimensions 1 to 4.

this is science based not religous/spiritual. now when you cross reference these views with spiritual/religous/esoteric, things start to correlate, support eachother. this is why shaman/teachers call it illusion/maya, as in its a lower reality not the ultimate reality, a temporal existence for the biological vessel/body. its not all that exists, there is more, its not the final/only reality

this is why the teaching of "all is illusion" is partly true, but can also be used negatively. people can think oh its illusion, so who cares/nothing matters and they miss the point. its reality but a lesser reality.

then when you understand its nature/construction/function, this followed by the realisation of its creation/manipulation. eg visualising/praying/will/intent. if you can perceive, you can achieve/create it.

i know, you can at a some stage/level influence reality, synchronicity/universe provides/instinct/esp/telekinesis/remote viewing/astral-lucid dreaming etc. i just haven't found no good methods. these methods are known, but only to the elite, as they are the true power of the mind/soul.

also are humans ready for this new power, look at the damage we do with the powers we have, its would be total war. people would serve themselves, furnish their desires with this power, in a way people cannot be trusted with this power and they would abuse it, fuflfilling the deadly 7 sins. people would would be corrupted with this power.

however with a change in existence/system/education with people opening up, becoming more compassionate/humble, it could be used for great things. maybe this is whats going to happen, with the truth revealed, we can grow as people individually and collectivley, and usher in a new epoch of humanity/life.

this why as the window of opportunity comes in view, an opportunity for use to evolve, the elite are trying to keep us trapped in low emotions, reptile core functions with fear, hate, war etc. we first have to defeat our own faults/fears, then help eachother. we will make it if we want to.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

you see how easily it is to get side tracked into fruitless garble talk? I thought we were talking about the elite - you now want to discuss vague wooly new age terms of reference which ultimately have no definition - define 'illusion' - you see the problem?

For definition of 'illusion', see synergy777's last post.

Do you deny this fact?

What I'm trying to point out is, is this is exactly why the elite will not tell anything. It's when you sit there, and dismiss it as if you have heard it all before. Acting as if you are better than I am.

synergy is better at explaining it than I am, so I apologize to you for that, and I thank you synergy. But I will not be talked down to, just because I have, if not realized my own personal truth. Just because I can give explanation as to why I believe it, does not mean I am some new-age hippy, nor am I crazy.

Perhaps I was not able to explain to the extent synergy was, and perhaps I am not capable of putting words to every thought that goes through my mind. I know this, and I except this and only see to change it.

But you choose to sit here and mock me. Because you don't believe me. I don't care if you believe me or not, I am not here to convert you. I am explaining why I believe what I believe. And if you can not have at least a bit of respect, then so be it. But don't ever think you will get the better of me.

And to synergy777:

Thank you for your explanation. It does say more or less what I'm believing. We all have this power. Some of the people that have these powers are seeking to use it for malevolent purposes. But I'm starting to believe it's not just "human greed". I do feel there is a purpose.
Once again, thank you. Perhaps you didn't post it for this post I've just done, but I thank you anyways.

[vienna]

For definition of 'illusion', see synergy777's last post.



What I'm trying to point out is, is this is exactly why the elite will not tell anything. It's when you sit there, and dismiss it as if you have heard it all before. Acting as if you are better than I am.

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funny that's just what I've explained to you as something you're doing - which was my point - which you've missed , again - go back and reread your own posts and then my response

For definition of 'illusion', see synergy777's last post.

But you choose to sit here and mock me. Because you don't believe me. I don't care if you believe me or not, I am not here to convert you. I am explaining why I believe what I believe. And if you can not have at least a bit of respect, then so be it. But don't ever think you will get the better of me.

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again go back and reread your own posts and then my responses - you're confusing yourself

(i'd ask you to give me examples of when I'd 'mocked' you - but I don't think my hearts into rubbing your nose in this any more than I have to)

I critised you for getting a tad too arrogent and up yourself- you didn't like it - tough - deal with it

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

funny that's just what I've explained to you as something you're doing - which was my point - which you've missed , again - go back and reread your own posts and then my response



again go back and reread your own posts and then my responses - you're confusing yourself

(i'd ask you to give me examples of when I'd 'mocked' you - but I don't think my hearts into rubbing your nose in this any more than I have to)

I critised you for getting a tad too arrogent and up yourself- you didn't like it - tough - deal with it

Oh, now I see.

You're having a fit because I told you that you were confused about what I was saying?

You were. You were speaking as if the elite were higher than us. Yes, I understand you said that this place would be a paradise if we all had the knowledge freely. All I'm saying is, is that if the knowledge was just taught to us, and not discovered, then it would loose it's power.

So, no. You re-read.

[whitenight639]

his_lordship, i think your on to something, it definitely appears the illuminati and the rest of them are fractured and there are other forces/ people at work, or else we'd all be chipped by now.
I'd like to see something come of this thread, like some new and interesting evidence.

[Mo0n5tar]

Mr Lordship,

do you believe the "Elite" are higher than "us" and that the Black Nobility are higher than the "Elite", but subject still a higher power?

All I'm saying is, is that if the knowledge was just taught to us, and not discovered, then it would loose it's power.

Could you please explain more on this statement, i get the gist but how does this relate to the Black Nobility elevating certain knowledge above the minds of their subjects?

*wiki-
The House of Welf (or House of Guelph) is a European dynasty that has included many German and British monarchs from the 11th century until the 20th century.

The House of Welf is the older branch of the House of Este, a dynasty whose oldest known members lived in Lombardy in the 9th century.

Theres Lombard again, this House is most recentley represented through the Queen Mother and of course the Queen.

The Guelphs and Ghibellines were factions supporting, respectively, the Papacy and the Holy Roman Empire in central and northern Italy during the 12th and 13th centuries. The struggle for power between the Papacy and the Holy Roman Empire had arisen with the Investiture Conflict of the 11th century.

After the Guelphs finally defeated the Ghibellines in 1289 at Campaldino and Caprona, they began to fight among themselves. By 1300 Florence was divided into the Black Guelphs and the White Guelphs. The Blacks continued to support the Papacy, while the Whites were opposed to Papal influence, specifically the influence of Pope Boniface VIII.

Guelphs and Ghibellines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[cmdr_sabbathius]

Their numbers are actually quite large. Larger than the illuminati and the black nobility.

I have to ask. Your basis for this statement is what?

[synergy777]

bump

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I'd rather not discuss this anymore.

I've learned my lesson.

[yinon]

Thank you for your explanation. It does say more or less what I'm believing. We all have this power. Some of the people that have these powers are seeking to use it for malevolent purposes. But I'm starting to believe it's not just "human greed". I do feel there is a purpose.

Right it is not just human greed. They use greedy people to achieve their goals.

I do feel there is another purpose too.

What is it?

Why they present God as bad?

The movie 23 push the ante-Christ as the next Spiritrual figure. They support the Blue Beam project. Who are behind the Zero technology?

The Secret followers? The quantum lovers?

Who wants the Ante-Christ as our next spiritual leader? Be careful. The guy is a false king as anyone else

Who are behind ? Which clan push the ante-christ? The black nobility, the illuminies, the reptilians or extra-terrestrials?


Many questions...without answers??????

What's their motive?

The zero point technology?

Does it mean to destroy women?

Does it mean to destroy goodness in any forms?

The New-Age religion wants to push the feminine principle. They reacted to paternalism

The zero point technology hides THE ANTE-CHRIST behind.....with the MOVIE 23



If you push the ante-Christ, you react to goodness
If you push the Christ, you react to evilness

All ass holes - The Christ as the Ante-Christ....and the PUSHERS BEHIND!

[yinon]

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=ucc78Ug4Pn0

[yinon]

The Nasa is behind the Blue beam project

Who is behind the NASA? Extra-terrestrials?

Nothing to do with the Black Nobility

The Ante-Christ is their SON

[yinon]

PIL - This Is Not A Love Song - YouTube

[blackpanther71]

This link will maybe help with Dark Nobilit informaiton:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/403303/The-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider-2005

[andyh]

This link will maybe help with Dark Nobilit informaiton:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/403303/The-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider-2005

World record forum bumpage lol

I saw it too, it was just someone in irc having a laugh.

As for who the black nobility are...they're just the european royal families. If anyone is thinking of something else then black nobility is the wrong word to use imo.

:p