Alex Jones and Peak Oil

[Anders Lindman]

Alex Jones is presenting a lot of important info, no doubt about that, but he refuses to connect the rising oil price with peak oil, just as mainstream media is very silent about peak oil. Alex sits in Texas, home of JR Ewing, and Texas has already experienced peak oil, so why this silence about peak oil?

[jaanus]

Because there is no peak oil? And you shouldn't trust mainstream media?

[mikeproteau]

he has talked about MANY times how peak oil is a fraud, you just havent tuned in during thos times


wait im confused here, you actually buy into the peak oil mith created by the oil companys that funded thoes silly documentries and they actually fund the nieve hippies that go to alaska and block oil production to make it SEEM like there is scarcity and that there having trouble finding oil?

NEWS FLASH

OIL IS LITERALLY AN INFINATE AMOUNT EVERYWERE GOING DEEP UNDERGROUNG FOR MILES, they create the illusion of scarcity to raise prices, and the top oil companys are not competing with each other, its a ogalopoly which means a few groups getting together to create a monoply while maintaining the illusion of competition, then they buy up any indipendant companies selling oil.

[freedomnonfighter]

Yes he has discussed peak oil many many times, and how it was made up.

[thetonic]

he has talked about MANY times how peak oil is a fraud, you just havent tuned in during thos times


wait im confused here, you actually buy into the peak oil mith created by the oil companys that funded thoes silly documentries and they actually fund the nieve hippies that go to alaska and block oil production to make it SEEM like there is scarcity and that there having trouble finding oil?

NEWS FLASH

OIL IS LITERALLY AN INFINATE AMOUNT EVERYWERE GOING DEEP UNDERGROUNG FOR MILES, they create the illusion of scarcity to raise prices, and the top oil companys are not competing with each other, its a ogalopoly which means a few groups getting together to create a monoply while maintaining the illusion of competition, then they buy up any indipendant companies selling oil.

You got it man , right on!

[clipwip]

I used to be totally sold on the Peak Oil "crisis" as a geologic inevitability that was occuring as we speak. The fact is, there is going to be oil scarcity and rising prices. Whether this is due to a manufactured plan or geologic reality is really moot b/c there is nothing to do about it either way as far as producing more oil. However, out of this comes the "sustainability movement" which has many great ideas which we should all really apply, such as disconnecting from the system of debt slavery, food dependence (and toxicity), technological fascism, and any other reliance on our captors. Of course, easier said than done. That is a massively tall order and the probability of actually finding safe haven is very low for the vast majority of people, unfortunately. The thing they really fuck things up with is claiming that the population MUST BE REDUCED, "Humanely." (?!) The Earth can easily sustain the current population if a massive undertaking towards intelligent and humane use of current technology was applied. Of course, that won't happen, though. But to say that the answer is to apply one-child policies, etc. is sickening. The point is, we should definitely anticipate a drop in oil production (which I've heard has already started), but it is really most of the same solutions to all the other problems too as outlined in much of the sustainability thought.

[mikeproteau]

I used to be totally sold on the Peak Oil "crisis" as a geologic inevitability that was occuring as we speak. The fact is, there is going to be oil scarcity and rising prices. Whether this is due to a manufactured plan or geologic reality is really moot b/c there is nothing to do about it either way as far as producing more oil. However, out of this comes the "sustainability movement" which has many great ideas which we should all really apply, such as disconnecting from the system of debt slavery, food dependence (and toxicity), technological fascism, and any other reliance on our captors. Of course, easier said than done. That is a massively tall order and the probability of actually finding safe haven is very low for the vast majority of people, unfortunately. The thing they really fuck things up with is claiming that the population MUST BE REDUCED, "Humanely." (?!) The Earth can easily sustain the current population if a massive undertaking towards intelligent and humane use of current technology was applied. Of course, that won't happen, though. But to say that the answer is to apply one-child policies, etc. is sickening. The point is, we should definitely anticipate a drop in oil production (which I've heard has already started), but it is really most of the same solutions to all the other problems too as outlined in much of the sustainability thought.

for gods sake man, get out of system think, dont limit your own potential based on how hopelesly powerless you feel in changing the system, it wont happen unless you join a secret society and even then the effort is wasted because of the oath you made to that system. I will tell you what im planning on doing where I live in Canada because if you think about it INFINATE ENERGY IS EVERYWERE.

first I will find a spot in the middle of nowhere where I can build a cabin and I dont give a fuck if it happens to be on crown land, the queen has NO right to controll Canada so fuck her, I will then put a fucking wheel on a river and set up some soler panals, bingo, infinate energy for my laptop and what ever else i need, I will drink from the river and grow my own food. PROBLEM FUCKING SOLVED

[clipwip]

for gods sake man, get out of system think, dont limit your own potential based on how hopelesly powerless you feel in changing the system, it wont happen unless you join a secret society and even then the effort is wasted because of the oath you made to that system. I will tell you what im planning on doing where I live in Canada because if you think about it INFINATE ENERGY IS EVERYWERE.

first I will find a spot in the middle of nowhere where I can build a cabin and I dont give a fuck if it happens to be on crown land, the queen has NO right to controll Canada so fuck her, I will then put a fucking wheel on a river and set up some soler panals, bingo, infinate energy for my laptop and what ever else i need, I will drink from the river and grow my own food. PROBLEM FUCKING SOLVED

?? My point was exactly that you should get out of the system b/c it is hopelessly fucked. The possibility of a decent life is basically to be found outside of the current system as far as I can tell. However, your quaint solution is incredibly naive and won't work. You can forget about your laptop. That will die soon enough and you won't be able to fix it or replace it. I won't bother going into the rest of it, but you clearly haven't thought this through very well and are just spouting off a fanciful arm-chair notion of something you don't know anything about.

[Anders Lindman]

Because there is no peak oil? And you shouldn't trust mainstream media?

I trust mainstream media sometimes. But their silence about peak oil is suspicious. Just as Alex Jones's silence about this topic. The truth may be that neither Alex Jones nor mainstream media know the real facts and that's why they are so silent. Perhaps only some people within governments and big oil companies know the real statistics.

[Anders Lindman]

he has talked about MANY times how peak oil is a fraud, you just havent tuned in during thos times


wait im confused here, you actually buy into the peak oil mith created by the oil companys that funded thoes silly documentries and they actually fund the nieve hippies that go to alaska and block oil production to make it SEEM like there is scarcity and that there having trouble finding oil?

NEWS FLASH

OIL IS LITERALLY AN INFINATE AMOUNT EVERYWERE GOING DEEP UNDERGROUNG FOR MILES, they create the illusion of scarcity to raise prices, and the top oil companys are not competing with each other, its a ogalopoly which means a few groups getting together to create a monoply while maintaining the illusion of competition, then they buy up any indipendant companies selling oil.

It could be that peak oil is a fraud, but then why is Canada building nuclear power plants to refine their tar sands (heavy oil mixed with sand that is very expensive to produce sweet crude oil from)? Why would they want to mess with such expensive methods if there was no limit to cheap oil in the world?

[Anders Lindman]

Yes he has discussed peak oil many many times, and how it was made up.

I have only started to listen more closely to Alex Jones recently so I have missed a lot of his info. But still, with the oil price now reaching record heights, it is strange that he has not mentioned peak oil recently (the same with mainstream media who is very silent about peak oil).

[clipwip]

Just as Alex Jones's silence about this topic. The truth may be that neither Alex Jones nor mainstream media know the real facts and that's why they are so silent. Perhaps only some people within governments and big oil companies know the real statistics.

Alex has indeed addressed the Peak Oil issue and said that it is a fraud perpetrated by the oil companies and oil-producing countries. He claims that he has documents, but I have never looked at them, though that seems perfectly rational to me. Icke has also addressed other facets of "artificial scarcity." For one, he claims there is technology to grow food in deserts which has been suppressed. I actually am still new to Icke.

But, you are absolutely right that virtually no one, if anyone at all, knows how much oil is really left since all the books are cooked and there is no transparency in the industry. But the fact remains that scarcity will be a reality shortly, whether contrived or due to geological constraints.

[Anders Lindman]

we should definitely anticipate a drop in oil production (which I've heard has already started)

My guess is that they are struggling to keep the production of oil large enough. Even when they increase the production from time to time, that seems to be taxing their capacity to the limit. On CNBC someone said that one of the latest OPEC increase in oil production was welcomed but the increase was smaller than what he would have liked to see.

[Anders Lindman]

Alex has indeed addressed the Peak Oil issue and said that it is a fraud perpetrated by the oil companies and oil-producing countries. He claims that he has documents, but I have never looked at them, though that seems perfectly rational to me. Icke has also addressed other facets of "artificial scarcity." For one, he claims there is technology to grow food in deserts which has been suppressed. I actually am still new to Icke.

But, you are absolutely right that virtually no one, if anyone at all, knows how much oil is really left since all the books are cooked and there is no transparency in the industry. But the fact remains that scarcity will be a reality shortly, whether contrived or due to geological constraints.

It is correct, no doubt, that the oil reserves are far from depleted, but the so-called cheap oil has peaked a loooong time ago I suspect. With advanced new technologies the production of oil can remain low-cost for many years to come BUT when they are beginning to build nuclear power plants just to extract the non-cheap oil, as Canada is doing for example, then that sounds really low-tech and expensive.

Is Alex Jones familiar with the difference between cheap oil and non-cheap oil?

[clipwip]

My guess is that they are struggling to keep the production of oil large enough. Even when they increase the production from time to time, that seems to be taxing their capacity to the limit. On CNBC someone said that one of the latest OPEC increase in oil production was welcomed but the increase was smaller than what he would have liked to see.

I used to be VERY into this until a little less than a year ago, and at that time, the figures were that it had peaked in Dec. '05, very close to where Deyffes (sp?) said it would (Thanksgiving, '05) and that it had been declining until then (Dec. '06).

[clipwip]

It is correct, no doubt, that the oil reserves are far from depleted, but the so-called cheap oil has peaked a loooong time ago I suspect. With advanced new technologies the production of oil can remain low-cost for many years to come BUT when they are beginning to build nuclear power plants just to extract the non-cheap oil, as Canada is doing for example, then that sounds really low-tech and expensive.

Yes. If you are interested in the finer details of this, visit www.peakoil.net (ASPO), and www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net It's been awhile since I've been to these.

[clipwip]

Is Alex Jones familiar with the difference between cheap oil and non-cheap oil?

I'm sure he is. He has mentioned "Peak Oil" by name and the crux of that theory is the differentiation between cheap, easy-to-access oil, and lower quality, harder to access oil.

[majicdragon]

It could be that peak oil is a fraud, but then why is Canada building nuclear power plants to refine their tar sands (heavy oil mixed with sand that is very expensive to produce sweet crude oil from)? Why would they want to mess with such expensive methods if there was no limit to cheap oil in the world?

This might be that in the long run, nuclear power will be cheaper for them to create power with than oil. I know it will be cleaner, that is, until they go Chernobyl.

Just look at the cost of oil, and you can see why they're going nuclear. Plus oil's gonna double again.

[clipwip]

This might be that in the long run, nuclear power will be cheaper for them to create power with than oil. I know it will be cleaner, that is, until they go Chernobyl.

Just look at the cost of oil, and you can see why they're going nuclear. Plus oil's gonna double again.

Man, there is serious ignorance of this subject on this thread. You really need to do some research on this. The "long run" (currently) is that it takes an ass-load of oil to build a nuclear power plant. Do you all really know the diversity of petroleum? Plastic, lubricants, jet fuel, fertilizer, farm equipment, pumping water, asphalt, concrete, the list is endless... I'm a believer in alternative sources or the elimination of these things, but there is a big difference between a smoothe transition and a massive catastrophe. The former is completely out of the question at this point. Yes, there is probably a lot to be said for Tesla technology, hemp products, etc., but the cold hard fact is that these are not on hand at the moment and we don't have 30 years to start building a smoothe landing. We have 5 years, max.

Visit the links previously posted.

[clipwip]

Man, there is serious ignorance of this subject on this thread. You really need to do some research on this. The "long run" (currently) is that it takes an ass-load of oil to build a nuclear power plant. Do you all really know the diversity of petroleum? Plastic, lubricants, jet fuel, fertilizer, farm equipment, pumping water, asphalt, concrete, the list is endless... I'm a believer in alternative sources or the elimination of these things, but there is a big difference between a smoothe transition and a massive catastrophe. The former is completely out of the question at this point. Yes, there is probably a lot to be said for Tesla technology, hemp products, etc., but the cold hard fact is that these are not on hand at the moment and we don't have 30 years to start building a smoothe landing. We have 5 years, max.

Visit the links previously posted.

p.s.: And this is by design. This is not a case of "poor leadership." This is EXACTLY what our leaders have been planning for a very long time.

[Anders Lindman]

I used to be VERY into this until a little less than a year ago, and at that time, the figures were that it had peaked in Dec. '05, very close to where Deyffes (sp?) said it would (Thanksgiving, '05) and that it had been declining until then (Dec. '06).

An interesting thing is that peak oil and peak production are two separate things. If the production peaks then we will really see an enormous increase in oil price unless politicians and oil companies have tricks to keep the oil price low, but such tricks will require great effort to uphold and cannot be used indefinitely.

[clipwip]

An interesting thing is that peak oil and peak production are two separate things. If the production peaks then we will really see an enormous increase in oil price unless politicians and oil companies have tricks to keep the oil price low, but such tricks will require great effort to uphold and cannot be used indefinitely.

Peak Oil IS peak production. That's the whole idea of Hubbert's Curve. It's a graph of oil production. What are you even talking about? The big question is how fast oil prices will rise. Will it be a "slow burn" or a "fast crash?"

[Anders Lindman]

This might be that in the long run, nuclear power will be cheaper for them to create power with than oil. I know it will be cleaner, that is, until they go Chernobyl.

Just look at the cost of oil, and you can see why they're going nuclear. Plus oil's gonna double again.

Yeah, but what they are doing now is to use nuclear power plants to produce oil!!! So the nuclear power is only used for oil production. It's still the oil that is used for the industry and consumers, not the nuclear power. The nuclear power in this case is only used because it's so extremely difficult to produce non-cheap oil.

[Anders Lindman]

Peak Oil IS peak production. That's the whole idea of Hubbert's Curve. It's a graph of oil production. What are you even talking about? The big question is how fast oil prices will rise. Will it be a "slow burn" or a "fast crash?"

It's about what I call plateau oil. After peak oil has been reached, the production can remain the same for a long, long time. So the talk about a gradual decline in oil production could be a total load of crock. More likely we will experience a very sharp drop of oil production when the plateau production can no longer be upheld.

[clipwip]

It's about what I call plateau oil. After peak oil has been reached, the production can remain the same for a long, long time. So the talk about a gradual decline in oil production could be a total load of crock. More likely we will experience a very sharp drop of oil production when the plateau production can no longer be upheld.

"What you call?" Listen, there has been MASSIVE study on this subject. What you are referring to has been well discussed in the discipline. I refer back to the links I posted. I'm out until you start discussing what's already been diligently studied.

[king]

Alex Jones is presenting a lot of important info, no doubt about that, but he refuses to connect the rising oil price with peak oil, just as mainstream media is very silent about peak oil. Alex sits in Texas, home of JR Ewing, and Texas has already experienced peak oil, so why this silence about peak oil?

peak oil is bunch of B.S.
why even waste time on this matter?

[john white]

peak oil is bunch of B.S.
why even waste time on this matter?

1) Becuase it might not be

2) Becuase regardless of whether it is true or not, Peak Oil is a motivating factor behind current events and needs to be understood as part of the overall picture

[king]

1) Becuase it might not be

2) Becuase regardless of whether it is true or not, Peak Oil is a motivating factor behind current events and needs to be understood as part of the overall picture

your answers are a bit contradicting, don't you think?
not to say "clear as mud"


people on this forum seem to have good grasp that peak oil theory is B.S.

majority of them known that there are more capped oil drills than ever.

[Anders Lindman]

"What you call?" Listen, there has been MASSIVE study on this subject. What you are referring to has been well discussed in the discipline. I refer back to the links I posted. I'm out until you start discussing what's already been diligently studied.

I think politicians, oil companies and mainstream media are very quiet about peak oil because especially the business world is VERY sensitive about information of this kind, and particulary stock market traders and other financial traders. If someone just hinted about a possible decline of oil production the markets would pancake faster than the WTC towers.

[Anders Lindman]

peak oil is bunch of B.S.
why even waste time on this matter?

What do you think the real reason for Al Gore's inconvenient world tour is?

[john white]

your answers are a bit contradicting, don't you think?
not to say "clear as mud"

Doesnt bother me. Paradox is part of existance

people on this forum seem to have good grasp that peak oil theory is B.S.

majority of them known that there are more capped oil drills than ever.

And that may be the case. On the other hand it may not. A lot of people don't seem to understand that Peak Oil is really Peak of Oil Production Capacity, and whatever the reason for that, the figures over a prolonged period of time do show just such a trend

The A-biotic Theory of Oil may also be true: but the proof is weak. But even allowing for A-biotic theory to be true, that doesnt inform us of the rate of replenishment, or if it is a good idea to be removing trillions of barrells of it from the earth each year

It is my opinion that humanity has a lot of growing up to do very fast to really face up to the consequences of Oil exploitation to date: and getting our wish of indefinate continuance (again assuming we will) of Oil rich lifestyles could very well be the worst thing that ever happened to us

[king]

What do you think the real reason for Al Gore's inconvenient world tour is?

to promote global warming scam, in turn this would lead (so they hope) to new world order takeover

[king]

Doesnt bother me. Paradox is part of existance



And that may be the case. On the other hand it may not. A lot of people don't seem to understand that Peak Oil is really Peak of Oil Production Capacity, and whatever the reason for that, the figures over a prolonged period of time do show just such a trend

The A-biotic Theory of Oil may also be true: but the proof is weak. But even allowing for A-biotic theory to be true, that doesnt inform us of the rate of replenishment, or if it is a good idea to be removing trillions of barrells of it from the earth each year

It is my opinion that humanity has a lot of growing up to do very fast to really face up to the consequences of Oil exploitation to date: and getting our wish of indefinate continuance (again assuming we will) of Oil rich lifestyles could very well be the worst thing that ever happened to us



abiotic "theory" sounds lot more sane than theory that we are burning
carbonized dinosaurs that turned into oil

[john white]

abiotic "theory" sounds lot more sane than theory that we are burning
carbonized dinosaurs that turned into oil

Granted: how Oil came to be defined as a "fossil" fuel is somewhat farcical

But its not the only explanation on offer: Velikovsky, for example (who was shown to be right about a great many things and highly hated by the establishment) put forward that Oil was a susbstance depositied on the surface of the planet following a near-miss stellar catastrophy

[neutron flux]

Speaking of the Peak Oil scam:

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Geopolitics___Eurasia/Peak_Oil___Russia/peak_oil___russia.html

Peak Oil theory is based on a 1956 paper done by the late Marion King Hubbert, a Texas geologist working for Shell Oil.

Says it all really.

[Anders Lindman]

Speaking of the Peak Oil scam:

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Geopolitics___Eurasia/Peak_Oil___Russia/peak_oil___russia.html

Says it all really.

So why haven't they increased the oil price to such degree in the past? Why now?

[baron von lotsov]

I trust mainstream media sometimes. But their silence about peak oil is suspicious. Just as Alex Jones's silence about this topic. The truth may be that neither Alex Jones nor mainstream media know the real facts and that's why they are so silent. Perhaps only some people within governments and big oil companies know the real statistics.


The real fact is that oil companies are capping oil wells. I know this as I have spoken to two entirely separate people from different countries that work in the industry. They were not conspiracy theorists but the irrational actions of their employer lead them to seek an explanation. That is 180 degrees the reverse from the normal CT where the evidence precedes the theory, indeed they were just confused about it. It made no economic sense what so ever to pay people to explore oil when they were capping productive oil wells. These were people on site watching this going on.

[john white]

Yeah, but capping productive wells does fit with Peak Oil: conserve existing resources you control and go grab someone elses first

[thetonic]

Yeah, but capping productive wells does fit with Peak Oil: conserve existing resources you control and go grab someone elses first

It fits as a GREAT excuse if you want to start a war...

[baron von lotsov]

It fits as a GREAT excuse if you want to start a war...

Of course in reality there isn't a someone else since it is all controlled by one huge cartel. Trust John to forget this.

[Anders Lindman]

The real fact is that oil companies are capping oil wells. I know this as I have spoken to two entirely separate people from different countries that work in the industry. They were not conspiracy theorists but the irrational actions of their employer lead them to seek an explanation. That is 180 degrees the reverse from the normal CT where the evidence precedes the theory, indeed they were just confused about it. It made no economic sense what so ever to pay people to explore oil when they were capping productive oil wells. These were people on site watching this going on.

Only the highest managers of the oil companies have the real statistics. The rank and file will never be told anything of real value because that would leak to the press and the public (and not least to the traders) in no time. So rank and file oil company employees are always given disinfo.

[Anders Lindman]

... rank and file oil company employees are always given disinfo.

The capping of oil wells may indeed be happening. They cap a well when it has become depleted and can no longer be used. Peak oil is history. The world's oil wells have been sucked dry! That's the reason for the oil price rising these days.

[Anders Lindman]

to promote global warming scam, in turn this would lead (so they hope) to new world order takeover

I think the global warming scam is a desperate attempt to prepare for a coming oil crisis. Did anyone say PANIC? :D

[Anders Lindman]

Instead of artificially increasing the oil price I believe they are frantically using means to artificially trying to hold the oil price down. It will not be so easy with China and other nations wanting a bigger and bigger slice of the global oil cake.

[Anders Lindman]

This could be disinfo to create an artificially high oil price:

Matt Simmons (Bloomberg): Peak Oil Now, Oil Perhaps to $300 - YouTube

OR, what Matt Simmon says is more correct than what Alex Jones and Alan Watt are saying among others.

[Anders Lindman]

More from Matthew Simmons:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-429585738009344102

[Anders Lindman]

More hard data. Exciting stuff, or extremely boring info if you are not at the moment interested in this kind of studies. :D In any case very important information I think.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8133306252353845122

[john white]

Of course in reality there isn't a someone else since it is all controlled by one huge cartel. Trust John to forget this.

Not really. Different branches of the Mafia have turf wars with each other, but are all Mafiosi running the same rackets. Its all about whose got the muscle to get the biggest slice of the action

[whitenight639]

has anyone considered that the elite have such advanced technologies that they could be making oil, petrol / diesel and the other fossil fuels are simply hydrocarbons, ie chains of hydrogen and carbon atoms, these big 'refineries' could simply be production plants?

[Anders Lindman]

has anyone considered that the elite have such advanced technologies that they could be making oil, petrol / diesel and the other fossil fuels are simply hydrocarbons, ie chains of hydrogen and carbon atoms, these big 'refineries' could simply be production plants?

I heard that it's possible to make oil of some kind out of coal. One strange thing is why the oil companies have so old machinery, and they are not building much new oil production facilities. Can they make oil through other means? Or do they know about new energy technologies such as water fuel and are waiting for these? Or do they know that the oil reserves are depleted and that no more substantial oil fields will be found? It's almost as if the the oil production industry has been deserted. Or is that disinfo? Why is there so much secrecy about oil production? Governments could easily make laws that demanded that oil production data should be made public.

[Anders Lindman]

I heard that it's possible to make oil of some kind out of coal.

I just found more interesting information than that! They extract toxic chemicals from natural gas, and they put in into.............gasoline!!!

Check out this video after about 10 minutes into the presentation:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5182282754145092406

:eek:

And the video presentation also has interesting information about how the Rockefellers made alcohol illegal in the U.S. Plus VERY interesting information about plants that I have never heard about before.

[Anders Lindman]

Another theory is that they are moving from oil-based fuel to ethanol. Someone said, I think it was Greenspan, that the U.S. government is not only pumping money into the war in Iraq and the war on terror, they are also spending huge amounts of money on some other obscure things.

One possibility is that the U.S. government in secret together with big oil companies are building massive ethanol plants! :eek: That would explain why they don't bother with upgrading the now very aged machinery in the oil production industry.

[Anders Lindman]

... the U.S. government is not only pumping money into the war in Iraq and the war on terror, they are also spending huge amounts of money on some other obscure things.


And another thing: has the war in Iraq really costed two trillion dollars? Do they really need that kind of money to have a few soldiers strutting around in Iraq? Pluuease! Gimme a break. :D The whole war in Iraq smacks of a Wag the Dog media stunt. Something else is going on. My bet at the moment is ethanol.

[baron von lotsov]

Only the highest managers of the oil companies have the real statistics. The rank and file will never be told anything of real value because that would leak to the press and the public (and not least to the traders) in no time. So rank and file oil company employees are always given disinfo.

How can they be given disinfo when they are given the job of capping them? This is what I'm saying, they were not told this but saw it with their own two eyes out in the oilfields. Some things you can't hide from the public, not now there is an Internet for employees to report this kind of thing.

[Anders Lindman]

How can they be given disinfo when they are given the job of capping them? This is what I'm saying, they were not told this but saw it with their own two eyes out in the oilfields. Some things you can't hide from the public, not now there is an Internet for employees to report this kind of thing.

I don't doubt that the capping is real. They cap oil wells when they have become depleted and no longer can be used.

The new game in town is ethanol and ethanol 2.0.

"Bush has mentioned energy policy reforms in every State of the Union address, including last year's call for more clean energy research. This year, he went further and called for more focus on renewable fuels--especially ethanol--and higher mileage standards for cars and light trucks." [my emphasis]

From: http://www.news.com/Bush-pushes-energy-regulations%2C-ethanol/2100-1028_3-6152754.html

[baron von lotsov]

I don't doubt that the capping is real. They cap oil wells when they have become depleted and no longer can be used.



I said they were capping productive wells, not the depleted ones. If they were depleted then the oil workers would find it quite normal but this is not so, instructions from head office or whatever.

[Anders Lindman]

I said they were capping productive wells, not the depleted ones. If they were depleted then the oil workers would find it quite normal but this is not so, instructions from head office or whatever.

That's what the leading managers want us to believe. Sure, they cap one or two productive wells to uphold the illusion of plentiful reserves, but 99% of the wells being capped are depleted. The capping is only a charade used to hide the fact that the wells have become depleted.

[Anders Lindman]

Bush talks about replacing oil:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5752494390378871865

Ooops! Wrong video. Here it is:

Global Warming in the State of the Union Address - YouTube

Bush says: "America is on the verge of technological breakthrough that will enable us to live our lives less dependent on oil."

What does he mean, technological breakthrough?

[Anders Lindman]

What does he mean, technological breakthrough?

I have changed my mind. Ethanol doesn't sound like a technological breakthrough, not even ethanol 2.0. That sounds more like moonshine. :D

What Bush was talking about could instead be something like this:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.