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lightgiver

04-04-2010, 09:02 PM

According to some this also,

Atlantis- Excerpts from the Venerable Master S.A.W.

before the existence of this race that lives on these five continents, there existed the Atlantean race. Descendants of Atlantis are the Mayans. The Mayans emigrated, to Tibet, Egypt and Central America. It looks incredible, but even now, the Mayan language is still spoken in Tibet, and it is a sacred-ritual language in that country. Let us remember that the Naga and Mayan languages are very similar.Jesus of Nazareth learned Mayan in Tibet. That sentence of Jesus: "Eloi, Eloi, Lama,Sabachthani" ("Lord, Lord," some say "how you have glorified me"; and others say: "Lord, Lord, why have you forsaken me?"), well, that is not a Hebrew phrase. That iswhy, when the Jewish listened to Christ saying "Eloi, Eloi, Lama, Sabachthani", they said to themselves: "This man calls for Elias, to come to save him..." But any small Indian of Yucatan and Guatemala, can translate the sentence "Eloi, Eloi, Lama Sabachthani,"because it is Mayan and not Hebrew. That is why the Jewish did not understand it, and it means according to the Mayans and their translation, "I hide myself in the pre-dawn of your existence" (it is a mayan ritual sentence).

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=13684197761&topic=6998

http://www.hagglundsforlag.se/forfattaredok/lindtner/granhult.htm

The Lost Years of Jesus: The Life of Saint Issa - Notovitch:

Ancient scrolls reveal that Jesus spent seventeen years in India and Tibet
# From age thirteen to age twenty-nine, he was both a student and teacher of Buddhist and Hindu holy men
# The story of his journey from Jerusalem to Benares was recorded by Brahman historians
# Today they still know him and love him as St. Issa. Their 'Buddha'

After the "resurrection" Jesus and his wife Mary moved to Egypt where Sarah was born and together they started the Gnostic Church based on what he had learned in Tibet from Lama Sabachthani and in Britain from the druid sect called "the Eloi".

During the crucifixion he called out to his mentors"Eloi, Eloi, Lama Sabachthani"

http://reluctant-messenger.com/issa.htm

dedicate

04-04-2010, 09:16 PM

If what you are saying about the Hebrews not being able to understand the statement,, which would explain why the phrase was transliterated and not translated,,, then you may be onto something. IE it's meaning is pretty much unknown.

bush doctor

04-04-2010, 09:18 PM

lightgiver

10-04-2010, 10:31 PM

John 19:26-27

Jesus saw his own mother, and the disciple standing near whom he loved, he said to his mother, "Woman, behold your son". Then he said to the disciple, "Behold your mother".

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

would anyone care to enlighten us on this meaning and not the official churches version.

http://online.sfsu.edu/~rone/Buddhism/motherkindness.html

:)

loveisthelaw

11-04-2010, 02:20 PM

rapunzel

15-04-2010, 05:39 PM

Eli - God, or a name (person, place, etc)
Lama - Why

Not sure about Sabachthani, my wife speaks Hebrew and said it means something similar to 'waking me up in the morning'.

Though that is likely a different meaning to the ancient word used.

:)

Isn't the sentence spoken in Aramaic and not Hebrew?

"Shabachtani[8] שׁבקתני appears to be a word of Aramaic origin. It means to leave, leave alone, entrust, bequeath, divorce, permit, forgive, abandon and forsake. It is used a total of five times in the Old Testament, all of which are found in the Aramaic portions of Daniel and Ezra. However, given that there was a limited amount of Aramaic influence exerted on the Hebrew language after the return from the Babylonian captivity, we later see the root shabak[9] שׁבק attested in Jewish writings such as the Jerusalem Talmud, which is where the Mishna is found.

Of the seven occurrences of shabak in the Mishnah, four are clearly couched in Hebrew prose. A passage from the Jerusalem Talmud (31:5:1), is an especially good example of the words surrounding shabak. The text contains certain grammatical structures and vocabulary which occur only in Hebrew and not Aramaic. A few examples are the use of the letter ה he found at the beginning of words which means the (Aramaic has א – aleph at the end of words). Also the word שׁ Shay, that, (used only Hebrew) versus די di[10] (used only in Aramaic). Thus the word shabak, which Jesus spoke on the cross, we find situated in the midst of Mishnaic Hebrew words and grammar, and therefore, we can safely conclude that while this was originally a loan word from Aramaic, by Jesus’ day, it had become common place in the Hebrew language. We should actually expect there to be some loan words in the language. "

Source: http://www.ccsom.org/languageofjesus/EloiLamaShabachtani.htm

I have heard Christians explain this phrase thus:

Because Jesus was carrying mankind's sin on the cross God, who cannot tolerate sin, turned his face away from him. The man Jesus did not understand why he seemed to have been abandoned which is why he is recorded as saying "Eli, Eli........."

I'm not a Christian myself but this seems to me to be a reasonable explanation.

snoopsnuffleopagus

16-04-2010, 09:10 PM

psssst!!!

checkout Psalm 22 :)

loveisthelaw

16-04-2010, 11:42 PM

I have heard Christians explain this phrase thus:

Because Jesus was carrying mankind's sin on the cross God, who cannot tolerate sin, turned his face away from him. The man Jesus did not understand why he seemed to have been abandoned which is why he is recorded as saying "Eli, Eli........."

I'm not a Christian myself but this seems to me to be a reasonable explanation.

Or maybe he was impatient, he was waiting for God to give him justice and didn't receive what he expected, when he expected it. So he cried out asking why he was being ignored.

Thinking that God would send his only Son to die for the sins of all, it would then be strange to assume that God would become offended at the purpose for God sending Jesus to Earth in the first place.

So if Jesus repulsed God due to all those sins he was carrying, does that not then mean God is weak and has to hide away from things he doesn't like, like sin?

That is starting to verge on human nature rather than God.

rapunzel

17-04-2010, 12:56 PM

Or maybe he was impatient, he was waiting for God to give him justice and didn't receive what he expected, when he expected it. So he cried out asking why he was being ignored.

Thinking that God would send his only Son to die for the sins of all, it would then be strange to assume that God would become offended at the purpose for God sending Jesus to Earth in the first place.

So if Jesus repulsed God due to all those sins he was carrying, does that not then mean God is weak and has to hide away from things he doesn't like, like sin?

That is starting to verge on human nature rather than God.

I think Christian doctrine is that God is so holy that he cannot be in the presence of sin which is why Christians argue that a person has to "washed clean" of sin by accepting Jesus. To me that sounds like painting over a rotten window frame. It may look good and clean to begin with but the rotten frame is still there.

There is also the problem that if God cannot be in the presence of sin how can Christians believe that Jesus was God when he consorted with "sinners" all the time. I've never had a proper explanation for that.

ben87

19-04-2010, 06:16 AM

Jesus Christ=Phoenix=High priest of Zadok(Tzadik)=Elijah/Thoth/Hermes-Ermas/Jeruboam

God is human, Jesus is human

God is manifest by man, then jesus is manifest by human.

The high priest is initiated and he takes the name Jesus/Melchizedik as he dies another high priest is chosen and as such the Jesus/PHOENIX is resurrected.

bush doctor

20-04-2010, 10:07 PM

lightgiver

22-04-2010, 09:17 PM

lightgiver

16-05-2010, 05:42 PM

another version of events ;)

Eli (Hebrew: עֵלִי, Modern ʻEli Tiberian ʻĒlî, "Ascent"; Greek: Ηλι; Latin: Heli) was, according to the Books of Samuel, a Jewish High Priest of Shiloh, and one of the last Israelite Judges before the rule of kings in ancient Israel.

Genealogy of Jesus according to Luke

# Matthat
# Eli
# Mary & Joseph*
# Jesus

Genealogy of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Éile, Éle or Éli, commonly anglicised Ely, was an ancient and medieval kingdom of northern Munster in Ireland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89li
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_(town)
http://www.sacredconnections.co.uk/holyland/jesusvisitscotland.htm

post 44
Biblical Characters are Based on Egyptian Pharaohs
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115876&page=5

August 1 is Lammas Day (loaf-mass day)
Lammas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

something for you
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Christ feed the multitude wid only one loaf a bread,What is hidden in the dark shall be revealed so very soon

Sabbat,

These festivals are referred to by Wiccans as Sabbats (pronounced /ˈsæbət/). While the term Sabbat originated from Abrahamic faiths such as Judaism and Christianity and is of Hebrew origin, the festivals themselves have historical origins in Celtic and Germanic pre-Christian feasts, and the Wheel of the Year, as has developed in modern Neopaganism and Modern Wicca, is really a combination of the two cultures' solstice and equinox celebrations.

Wheel of the Year - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

European records tell of innumerable cases of persons being accused or tried for taking part in Sabbat gatherings, from the Middle Ages to the 17th century or later. Often, witches who take part in this annual assembly are known for being very beautiful (perhaps the female in a group who is acknowledged as "the prettiest" or "most beautiful") and having biblical names, such as "Sarah," "Rebecca," or "Ruth." However, there are no reliable reports on what actually happened during a Sabbat; and much of what was written about them may be the product of popular imagination or deliberate misinformation.

Witches' Sabbath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hani

Hani is a god in Akkadian mythology, one of the attendants of the storm-god Adad.

The Sumerian Ishkur appears in the list of gods found at Fara but was of far less importance than the Akkadian Adad later became, probably partly because storms and rain are scarce in southern Babylonia and agriculture there depends on irrigation instead. Also, the gods Enlil and Ninurta also had storm god features which decreased Ishkur's distinctiveness. He sometimes appears as the assistant or companion of one or the other of the two.

Mesopotamian religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_(mythology) Nanna (Sumerian deity), god of the moon in Sumerian mythology, also called Suen

How many here have used the term nanna ;)

ladygoogoo

16-05-2010, 06:16 PM

This may interest you

Volume #3 - The Sacred Symbols of Mu, this volume talks about the occult origins of ancient and modern religions. All religions have a common origin in the Sacred Inspired Writings of Mu. The Lord's Prayer is to be found in The Sacred Inspired Writings of Mu. Evidence of the Mu religion dates back 170,000 years. These teachings were taught by Osiris, Moses, and Jesus. Moses condensed the forty-two questions of the Osirian religion into the Ten Commandments. Jesus condensed the text to suit the language of his day. The Last Words of Jesus on the cross were in the language of Mu, 'unknown in Palestine'.

http://www.crystalinks.com/lemuria.html

Wow I thought there might be some connection to MOTHER in that
OP. (just kidding, it sounds like a child babble if you say it aloud).

I speak of GODDESS religion rather than the patriarchal religion that
is in vogue now. And the Egyptians back again. They certainly
have influenced our culture in ways many are very ignorant of today.

bush doctor

18-05-2010, 10:22 PM

another version of events ;)

Eli (Hebrew: עֵלִי, Modern ʻEli Tiberian ʻĒlî, "Ascent"; Greek: Ηλι; Latin: Heli) was, according to the Books of Samuel, a Jewish High Priest of Shiloh, and one of the last Israelite Judges before the rule of kings in ancient Israel.

Genealogy of Jesus according to Luke

# Matthat
# Eli
# Mary & Joseph*
# Jesus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy_of_Jesus
Éile, Éle or Éli, commonly anglicised Ely, was an ancient and medieval kingdom of northern Munster in Ireland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89li
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_(town)
http://www.sacredconnections.co.uk/holyland/jesusvisitscotland.htm

post 44
Biblical Characters are Based on Egyptian Pharaohs
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115876&page=5

August 1 is Lammas Day (loaf-mass day)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lammas

something for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x9YKm4xl0Q&feature=related
Christ feed the multitude wid only one loaf a bread,What is hidden in the dark shall be revealed so very soon

Sabbat,

These festivals are referred to by Wiccans as Sabbats (pronounced /ˈsæbət/). While the term Sabbat originated from Abrahamic faiths such as Judaism and Christianity and is of Hebrew origin, the festivals themselves have historical origins in Celtic and Germanic pre-Christian feasts, and the Wheel of the Year, as has developed in modern Neopaganism and Modern Wicca, is really a combination of the two cultures' solstice and equinox celebrations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_of_the_Year

European records tell of innumerable cases of persons being accused or tried for taking part in Sabbat gatherings, from the Middle Ages to the 17th century or later. Often, witches who take part in this annual assembly are known for being very beautiful (perhaps the female in a group who is acknowledged as "the prettiest" or "most beautiful") and having biblical names, such as "Sarah," "Rebecca," or "Ruth." However, there are no reliable reports on what actually happened during a Sabbat; and much of what was written about them may be the product of popular imagination or deliberate misinformation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witches%27_Sabbath

Hani

Hani is a god in Akkadian mythology, one of the attendants of the storm-god Adad.

The Sumerian Ishkur appears in the list of gods found at Fara but was of far less importance than the Akkadian Adad later became, probably partly because storms and rain are scarce in southern Babylonia and agriculture there depends on irrigation instead. Also, the gods Enlil and Ninurta also had storm god features which decreased Ishkur's distinctiveness. He sometimes appears as the assistant or companion of one or the other of the two.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_mythology

:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_(mythology) Nanna (Sumerian deity), god of the moon in Sumerian mythology, also called Suen

How many here have used the term nanna ;)

Bumped to encourage some comments: seems to me religion is a big melting pot with everything thrown in by the same chef ;)

lightgiver

18-05-2010, 10:51 PM

Bumped to encourage some comments: seems to me religion is a big melting pot with everything thrown in by the same chef ;)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115876&page=5

The last Pharaoh in Egyptian was the Greek- Roman Pharaoh Augustus (Ruled from 30 BC- AD 14)

Scholars translating a Roman victory stele, erected in the Temple of Isis at Philae in Egypt in 29 BC, have discovered the Roman Emperor Octavian Augustus’ name inscribed in a cartouche – an honour normally reserved for an Egyptian pharaoh

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/news/stele-names-roman-emperor-octavian-augustus-as-egyptian-pharaoh-1937308.html

The Kings of Egypt were not called Pharaohs by the ancient Egyptians. This word was used by the Greeks and Hebrews, and today is commonly used for the ancient Kings of Egypt. We really do not know how many kings ruled in Egypt, for at times in its ancient past the country was split up, and there were at least several kings at the same time. There was also probably kings who ruled regions of Egypt before recorded history, and in fact, several ancient historians record legendary Pharaohs who became Egyptian gods.

Pharaoh meaning "Great House", originally referred to the king's palace, but by the reign of Thutmose III (ca. 1479-1425 BC) in the New Kingdom had become a form of address for the person of the king. The Egyptian term for the ruler himself was nsw(t)-bjt(j) (rendered in Babylonian as insibya; Egyptological pronunciation "Nesu(t)-Bit(i)"), "King of Upper and Lower Egypt", literally "he of the sedge and the bee" (properly nj-sw.t-bj.t)), the sedge and the bee being the symbols for Upper and Lower Egypt, respectively. Also nsw.t-t3wj "King of the Two Lands"

http://www.touregypt.net/kings.htm

This double kingship was expressed in the Pschent, the double crown combining the RED crown of Lower Egypt (Deshret) and the WHITE crown of Upper Egypt (Hedjet).

Pharaoh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As a result of the tummo-heat, the drops melt and enter the central channel. The RED "female" drops in the navel chakra ascends to the heart chakra, while the WHITE drops in the crown chakra descend to the same chakra. The bliss of the drops flowing in the central channel is said to be a hundred times greater than that of orgasm The drops, moving up or down the central channel, finally enter the "indestructable drop" in the heart chakra, so called because it is said to be drop that passes from life-time to life-time, taking with it the "very subtle mind" and "very subtle wind" .

The entire visualization or meditation stage itself is called the stage of Generation, as its purpose of is to construct or generate an actual enlightenment or buddha-body, the stage of Completion. The result of all this is that one rises in an "illusory body", so called because it is a spirit body rather than a physical body, and at death, rather than be caught up by the bardo and reincarnation, one remains in full consciousness in the illusory body, so attaining Buddhahood.

On top of both the sun and the moon is the bindu - the final result, which is Enlightenment or Buddhahood.

http://www.kheper.net/topics/Buddhism/Vajrayana.htm

lightgiver

19-05-2010, 06:01 PM

Another point of interest,:)

Enlil (nlin), (EN = Lord + LIL = Loft, "Lord of the Open" or "Lord of the Wind") was the name of a chief deity listed and written about in ancient Sumerian, Akkadian, Hittite, Canaanite and other Mesopotamian clay and stone tablets. The name is perhaps pronounced and sometimes rendered in translations as ELLIL in later Akkadian, Hittite, and Canaanite literature.

Enlil was considered to be the god of breath, wind, loft, and breadth.

One story names his origins as the exhausted breath of An (god of the heavens) and Ki (goddess of the Earth) after sexual union.

Indra (Devanagari: इन्द्र ) is the King of the gods or Devas and Lord of Heaven or Svargaloka in Hindu mythology, and also he is the God of War, Storms, and Rainfall.

“Indra, you lifted up the outcast who was oppressed, you glorified the blind and the lame.” (Rg-Veda 2:13:12

Name; Indra

Direction; East

Mantra; Oṃ Laṃ Indrāya Namaḥ ,

Weapon;Vajra (thunderbolt) ,

Consort;Śacī

Planet; Sūrya (Sun) ,

Guardian Matrika; Aindri

Ki or Qi

It is frequently translated as "energy flow," and is often compared to Western notions of energeia or élan vital (vitalism) as well as the yogic notion of prana. The literal translation is "air," "breath," or "gas" (compare the original meaning of Latin spiritus "breathing"; or the Common Greek πνεῦμα, meaning "air," "breath," or "spirit"; and the Sanskrit term prana, "breath").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ki_(goddess)

Further references examine Ki-el as the formal translation of Lilith, Moon Goddess. This is known from Pike`s Morals and Dogma compilation of Masonic knowledge; to 'reflect' the 'Sun.' The largest reflection is the Moon from the Sun. The Sun being Ra, the Moon being Isis or; Ki-el. 'L' or el is the abbr(kill?). for Lilith. El is Hebrew for God. Lilith and Sama-el(samsara?) are the consorts of evil.

All Earth/Moon deities can be labeled as androgynes, (not actually Brother and Sister or Husband and wife).

The reason being as they are one in the same. Furthermore, set-up that way, with the intent, to create confusion, still, about our existence.

Lilith comes from the Babylonian; Lilituv or Witch. She is one of two snakes (remember the reflection) in the Caduceus.

She furthermore was the one wrapped around the tree of life that forced Eve into, 'her eyes being opened.' She was also mentioned in the footnotes of some Bibles at the bottom of the 3rd Chapter of Genesis, (which by the way, stands for Genes of Isis) as being the first wife of Adam, which she could have birthed the evil offspring Cain which killed his Brother Ab-el. No matter how you slice it, the androgynous Gods are upon us and have made us the servants to their uninterrupted cannibalism.(cain (rule) abilism)

Key Monastery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also,

The Gandharan city of Taxila was an important Buddhist centre of learning from the 5th century BC to the 2nd century.
Gandhara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Agni (Sanskrit: अग्नि) is a Hindu deity, one of the most important of the Vedic gods. He is the god of fire and the acceptor of sacrifices..........http://messagefrommasters.com/jesuschrist/osho_jesus_christ_sacrifice%20_cross.htm

Seven rays of light emanate from his body and his weapon is a SPEAR

Holy Lance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver

19-05-2010, 07:42 PM

Translation of Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani

A notable difference between Lamsa's translation and other versions of the New Testament occurs in the fourth of the Words of Jesus on the cross – Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani. This is regarded by more conservative scholars as a quotation in Aramaic of the opening of Psalm 22, which in English is "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" This is similar to how the psalm appears in the Aramaic Peshitta Old Testament and it appears in earlier Aramaic Targums. Lamsa believed that the text of the Gospels was corrupt, and that it is not a quotation but should read /Eli, Eli, lemana shabaqthani, which he translates as: "My God, my God, for this I was spared!" An accompanying footnote in Lamsa's English version of the Bible explains Jesus's meaning as "This was my destiny."

Aramaic grammars and dictionaries, disagree with Lamsa's assertion about Jesus' last words, as the word שבקתני [shvaqtani] in Aramaic is the perfect 2nd person singular form of the verb שבק [shvaq] which means "to leave, to leave s.t. left over, to abandon," or "to permit" with the 1st person singular pronoun affixed. This would, in turn, cause the phrase to translate as "why have you left me?" "why have you let me be?" "why have you abandoned me?" or "why have you permitted me?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lamsa#Translation_of_Eli.2C_Eli.2C_lama_sab achthani

Aramaic, a language as similar to Hebrew as Spanish is to Portuguese, originated in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Both Afghanistan and Pakistan were once part of India. Afghanistan seceded from Indian in the 1700s. Pakistan was cut out of India when the two nations were partitioned after World War II. Aramaic also is the source of modern Hebrew's square alphabet, used in Israel today. The Hebrew square alphabet and the truth that Hebrew is just an Aramaic dialect confirm the Indian origin of the Jews.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9704/finalproposed1.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/i/finalproposed1.jpg/)

bush doctor

19-05-2010, 08:24 PM

Translation of Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani

A notable difference between Lamsa's translation and other versions of the New Testament occurs in the fourth of the Words of Jesus on the cross – Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani. This is regarded by more conservative scholars as a quotation in Aramaic of the opening of Psalm 22, which in English is "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" This is similar to how the psalm appears in the Aramaic Peshitta Old Testament and it appears in earlier Aramaic Targums. Lamsa believed that the text of the Gospels was corrupt, and that it is not a quotation but should read /Eli, Eli, lemana shabaqthani, which he translates as: "My God, my God, for this I was spared!" An accompanying footnote in Lamsa's English version of the Bible explains Jesus's meaning as "This was my destiny."

Aramaic grammars and dictionaries, disagree with Lamsa's assertion about Jesus' last words, as the word שבקתני [shvaqtani] in Aramaic is the perfect 2nd person singular form of the verb שבק [shvaq] which means "to leave, to leave s.t. left over, to abandon," or "to permit" with the 1st person singular pronoun affixed. This would, in turn, cause the phrase to translate as "why have you left me?" "why have you let me be?" "why have you abandoned me?" or "why have you permitted me?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lamsa#Translation_of_Eli.2C_Eli.2C_lama_sab achthani

Aramaic, a language as similar to Hebrew as Spanish is to Portuguese, originated in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Both Afghanistan and Pakistan were once part of India. Afghanistan seceded from Indian in the 1700s. Pakistan was cut out of India when the two nations were partitioned after World War II. Aramaic also is the source of modern Hebrew's square alphabet, used in Israel today. The Hebrew square alphabet and the truth that Hebrew is just an Aramaic dialect confirm the Indian origin of the Jews.

I feel disgusted that the Theological teachings in our schools deny us the choice of exploring our real history:mad: cut from our learning by the keepers of secrets.....edit..the truth :rolleyes:who the fk do they think they are.

You have a very apt handle my friend.

The dots they are a joining.........

elirien

19-05-2010, 11:44 PM

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1058896697#post1058896697

rapunzel

20-05-2010, 07:35 PM

................ Aramaic, a language as similar to Hebrew as Spanish is to Portuguese, originated in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Both Afghanistan and Pakistan were once part of India. Afghanistan seceded from Indian in the 1700s. Pakistan was cut out of India when the two nations were partitioned after World War II. Aramaic also is the source of modern Hebrew's square alphabet, used in Israel today. The Hebrew square alphabet and the truth that Hebrew is just an Aramaic dialect confirm the Indian origin of the Jews.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9704/finalproposed1.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/i/finalproposed1.jpg/)

Aramaic originated in Afghanistan and Pakistan? Do you have evidence for this? The accepted belief is that Aramaic is Semitic in origin and was used by the Arameans. Later it was used by the Assyrians and Persians because its alphabet was easier to use than the cumbersome cuneiform scripts they normally used and they adopted it for use in diplomacy and commerce. As the Persian empire was widespread inscriptions in Aramaic are found as far afield as Afghanistan.

lightgiver

20-05-2010, 07:44 PM

Aramaic originated in Afghanistan and Pakistan? Do you have evidence for this? The accepted belief is that Aramaic is Semitic in origin and was used by the Arameans. Later it was used by the Assyrians and Persians because its alphabet was easier to use than the cumbersome cuneiform scripts they normally used and they adopted it for use in diplomacy and commerce. As the Persian empire was widespread inscriptions in Aramaic are found as far afield as Afghanistan.

Post 14
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=116937&page=2

Brit (Great Britain))Angles .....(Ancient people of England)

Bharat (True name of India Anguli (Ancient people of India)

Roma (Rome, Italy)

Roma; Romaka (People and territory of Northern India)

In ancient times there lived...a noble race of men, called the Aryans. Speaking a language not yet Sanskrit, Greek, or German, but containing the dialects of all, this clan which had advanced to a state of agricultural civilization had recognized the bonds of blood, and sanctioned the bonds of marriage. That they worshipped Nature, the sun, moon, sky and earth...Their chief object of adoration was the sun - Sarah Elizabeth Titcomb (Aryan Sun Myths, 1899)

The title Arya, Englished into "Aryan" is...literally means in both the Indian Sanskrit, the old classic language of India, and in the Ancient Persian language "the exalted or noble one;" and it is derived as I have shown from the Sumerian Ar, Ara "exalt, lofty, shining, glory;" which is also disclosed as the remote Sumerian root of our modern word "Aristocrat" or "noblest or most excellent governor" - L. A, Waddell (Makers of Civilization in Race and History, 1929)

Aryan - a follower of Vedic culture. A person whose goal is spiritual advancement. He truly knows the value of life and has a civilization based on spiritual realization - The Srimad Bhagavatam

Aryans do not kill even a small plant unnecessarily, not to speak of cutting trees for sense gratification…Aryans do not distinguish between lower and higher grades of life. All life should be protected. All living beings have a right to live, even the trees and plants. This is the basic principle of an Aryan civilization - (SB 6.16.43, Purport)

The massive treatise known as the Srimad Bhagavtam, considered the jewel of Vedic gnosis, is but one of the Hindu Puranas. Composed by the Arya of Northern India, the Puranas are officially believed to date to at least 600 BC. However, they are unofficially believed to date from 3,000 BC. Significantly, the Puranas have preserved the true and unadulterated meanings of the most misused term "Aryan." The Vedic god Krishna is addressed as Hari Krishna, with the prefix Hari, referring to "Ari" or "the Arya." Hare Krishna means "the white or shining Christ"

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/4318/christheaddore.gif (http://img295.imageshack.us/i/christheaddore.gif/)

Iesa Crios, with his crown.
The Druid crown was not of "thorns" but of roses. Regardless, of the spelling and rendition (Esa, Essa, Iesa, Hesu, Isa, Ysa, Jesse, Jeshua, Ishwara, or Aesar, etc,) the archetype remains the same. The biblical patriarch Isaac is a clear rendition of Iesa, the Irish god of light

The Druids: Priestarchy of the World

Opposite to the coast of Gallia Celtica there is an island in the ocean, not smaller than Sicily - lying to the north, which is inhabited by the Hyperboreans, who are so named because they dwell beyond the north wind. This island is of a happy temperature, rich in soil, and fruitful in every thing, yielding its produce twice in the year. Tradition says that Latona was born there, and for that reason they venerate Apollo more than any other god. They are in a manner his priests, for they daily celebrate him with continual songs of praise, and pay him abundant honors - Diodorus Siculus (Greek Historian, 90-30 BC)

The word Druid has been mistranslated as referring to oak trees and their veneration. In fact, the Druids considered the ROWAN to be the greatest of trees, but all of nature was sacred to them. They were nature’s students, healers, and caretakers.

The Levites - Just as the word Jew derives from the word for Yew tree, so does the ancient name Levi comes from the Gaelic Lewi or Luis, that can be rendered Lewis or Louis. Luis was the third letter of the Irish alphabet. It referred to the Rowan Tree that was the most sacred of all trees in Irish Druidism. The rowan in Danish is rönne, and in Swedish it is rönn. The name Ron (or Ronald) may derive from the name of this tree. Each berry of the Rowan tree bears a minute pentagram. The worshippers or keepers of the Rowan were known as the Lewi. This is where the word Levite originated. The Levites were priests, teachers, instructors. The biblical "Levites" adopted the old Druidic title as their own, either because they had descended from western Druids directly or because they were initiates and adepts from Druidic colleges. The "burning bush" of Moses (Akhenaton) is a cryptic reference to the tree, as is the Tree of Life (or Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil) motif found in the Book Genesis. The Isle of Lewis in Scotland was a Druidic center. The place names Lewisham and Lewes derive from the root. Additionally, the supreme sun-god of the ancient Irish was Lugh. He appears globally as the English Llud, Sumerian Lughal, Welsh Llew, Gaulish Lugos, Italian Logos. He appears in the Christian canon as St. Luke, the patron saint of surgeons and healers. The word London, comes from Lludunum (Lugh's Hill). Lugh's temple is now the site of the Christian St. Paul's Cathedral. The Rowan may have been given its name Luis due to it being sacred to Lugh. His title was Samildanach, meaning "Master of all Arts." The highest duty of a Druid was to instruct, guide, judge, and inspire. They were the Arya, the Elders, the Enlighteners, the Levites. Their sacred number was 13, representing the 12 signs plus the sun.

Jesus is said to have been from the town of Nazareth. It is known that no such place ever existed. It is also known that the word was blatantly mistranslated to signify a place instead of a sect or cult. In fact, it has been revealed to be more likely that the man given the name Jesus was a "Nazarene" from the sect of that name. This gives us greater insight, since this cult's name bears great similarity to the Naasarites or Naassians - the "Serpent Priests" who followed Moses out of Egypt. It was this Egyptian connection that had to be obscured. And so the editors of the bible's testaments cleverly rendered Nazareth as a place name. This is only one small example of the tampering and distortion that has taken place to the bible and so many other great texts that would have served mankind to have a truer understanding of the world and of the past had they been left intact.

The Talmud also contradicts the gospels in some essential points concerning Jesus. For instance, it never mentions that he was a Galilean or came from the city of Nazareth. Although it refers to him being a Nazarene (Greek Nazoraios) used to indicate a religious sect, not a geographical location - Ahmed Osman (Christianity: An Ancient Egyptian Religion)

Serapis and Jesus were both represented by a great serpent - E. Valentia Straiton (The Celestial Ship of the North)

lightgiver

20-05-2010, 09:37 PM

Also

The language of the Chaldeans predates Arabic that predates Sanskrit. Indeed, Sanskrit was not native to India but was brought Eastward by the Aryan invaders or Vedics (from Vates or Faidh, the poets of Irish renown). The eminent scholar Godfrey Higgins was in no doubt as to the connections between the Chaldeans and Irish. He wrote:

These people were the followers of wisdom, and thus the Goddess Cali...and the language of these people was Hebrew, which was Celtic, which was the Gael, of Scotland and of Singala, and Bengal, and of the kingdom of Orugallu. It was the Gael-doct and the Sanscrit, Sanctum Scriptum - the Cel of Celtic and of Cal changed into the Gel and Gal...Thus the language of the Gael-doct would be the language of the learned wisdom, that is, the learned Celt or Hebrew, the language of Abraham, of South India, and of the Chaldeans - (Anacalypsis, Vol 2)

The eminent American scholar Alvin Boyd Kuhn makes the case clear regarding the "nationality" of the Chaldeans. He wrote:

Ur of the Chasdim...This latter word signifies not national Chaldeans, as those thus designated were not an ethnic group, but a spiritual caste - (The Esoteric Structure of the Alphabet)

himitsunomiko

20-05-2010, 09:39 PM

There was no "Aryan Invasion."

lightgiver

21-05-2010, 01:59 AM

The old Hebrew name bêth lehem, meaning "house of bread", has survived till the present day. In its Arabic form, however, bêt lahm, it means "house of meat". Several scholars (Smith, Hist. Geog. of the Holy Land, 1906, 318. n. 2) hold that the name is connected with Lakhmu, one of the divinities in the Babylonian Creation myth and that Bethlehem was a sacred shrine of that god in ancient times. This is possible, but there is no actual evidence in favor of the conjecture. Two cities of the name are known from Sacred Scripture: Bethlehem and Bethlehem of Judea.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02533a.htm

Hebrew Angel (M) LAKh and the comparison to the
Sumerian serpents Lakhmu and Lakhamu

In the Babylonian Account of Creation on Tablet I opening scene presents a primitive age when only living uncreated world matter existed, personified by two mythical beings – Apsu (male), representing the primeval fresh water ocean and Tiamat (female), the primeval salt water ocean. These were the parents of the gods. Apsu and Tiamat begat Lahmu (Lakhmu) and Lahamu (Lakhamu) deities.

http://www.mazzaroth.com/ChapterFour/NamesOfAngelsInGenesis.htm(gene of Isis)

Anu (Akkadian "Lord of Heaven" or "He of the Heavens"; Sumerian An) with his horned head-dress was the heaven-god of Mesopotamia and overlord of the gods, their father and protector. Anu was a remote, celestial god who was not interested in mankind and did not bother much with them. His symbol was the Image of a black asterick for a Star as a star. His soldiers were the stars; part of the Milky Way (Anu’s Way) was his personal road. He was believed to dwell in the constellation of the Great Bear, Ursa Major

Its a

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CldS6LHsCu0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursa_Major

An asterisk (*; Late Latin: asteriscus; Greek: ἀστερίσκος, asteriskos, "little star")

The asterisk is derived from the need of the printers of family trees in feudal times as a symbol to indicate date of birth. The original shape was seven-armed, each arm like a teardrop shooting from the center. For this reason, in some computer circles it is called a splat, perhaps due to the "squashed-bug" appearance of the asterisk on many early line printers. Many cultures have their own unique versions of the asterisk. The Arabic asterisk is six-pointed. In some fonts the asterisk is five-pointed and the Arabic star is eight-pointed.

Arabic star - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/egypt/othercultures/assyrians.html

This stone relief found at Sandchirli (dating from the time of the Mitanni, 15th century B.C.) shows a Babylonian minstrel playing a long-necked lute in front of a "raptured listener" (in the words of Alfred Sendrey). The original relief is now in the Berlin Museum. The original source of this illustration (cited by Sendrey, op. cit., p. 51) is Alfred Jeremias, Handbuch der altoientalischen Geisteskultur (Leipzig, 1913).

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3219/chironomybabylon.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/chironomybabylon.jpg/)

A "raptured listener"? Look more closely. There is that same rapt look on the part of both the musician and the "listener". Moreover, the "listener" seems to be taking a very active, energetic stance -- as if there is an interaction between him and the lutenist. Finally, notice the hands of the "listener": they are making specific gestures, widely spaced from each other. Usually, when clapping hands are portrayed, they are placed much closer together (for when one claps, one matches force to motion in an optimum way). Here may beyet another example of Mesopotamian chironomy: much later than the Sumerian, but still two-handed and similar in principle and appearance.

http://www.rakkav.com/biblemusic/pages/chironomy.htm

lightgiver

21-05-2010, 02:46 AM

Another Point of interest,may bee connected ;)

How old is the human race?

The old Hebrew name bêth lehem, meaning "house of bread", has survived till the present day. In its Arabic form, however, bêt lahm, it means "house of meat". Several scholars (Smith, Hist. Geog. of the Holy Land, 1906, 318. n. 2) hold that the name is connected with Lakhmu, one of the divinities in the Babylonian Creation myth and that Bethlehem was a sacred shrine of that god in ancient times.

The literal meaning of 'Lakhu-Udyar' is 'the hundred thousand caves'.(Lakhmu, one of the divinities in the Babylonian Creation myth)

http://ignca.nic.in/rock001.htm

Most of the paintings and carvings on rock that you have seen today are from Bhimbetka caves near Bhopal and from Lakhu Udyar in the Kumaon hills.

These paintings made by the early man by charcoal, burnt bones, haemetite (giving red colour), limestone and juice of plants have inspired modern painters and sculptures.

Traces of Phallic Worship in the Kumaon Rock-markings

http://ignca.nic.in/ra_03_cn.htm

http://www.sacred-texts.com/etc/oph/oph02.htm

The Kumaon Himalaya is that mountainous area of the Himalayas which is one-sixth part of the present day Indian state of Uttar Pradesh. It lies approximately between 28º 44' and 31º 28' North Latitude and 77º and 81º East longitude. It may be demarcated easily by its natural boundary lines; while river kali separates it from Nepal on the east and the Tons. a feeder of the Yamuna, on the west; the high table-land of Tibet is a clear-cut international demarcation line on the north and the descending foothills and adjoining Bhabar-Tarai are the obvious boundaries with the plains of western Uttar Pradesh.

Uttar Pradesh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Style of Buddhist visual art that developed in what is now northwestern Pakistan and eastern Afghanistan between the 1st century BC and the 7th century AD. The style, of Greco-Roman origin, seems to have flourished largely during the Kushan dynasty and was contemporaneous with an important but dissimilar school of Kushan art at Mathura (Uttar Pradesh, India).

http://asiarecipe.com/afgbamiyan.html

Yayati dynasty

Yadu was banished from ruling and had become rebel who first started ruling in outskirts of India and then intruded the mainland. The jambudwepa referred in scriptures is believed to be in memory of these islands. The regions where the Yadu clan settled is not certain, but certain scholars suggest that Yadu clan inherited the territories to the south-west of the Gangetic plains, between the Chambal River, Betwa and Ken, which correspond to the border areas of present Indian states of Uttar Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh. Descendants of yadu were called Yadavavanshi. Krishna was born in this vansha.

Anu was son of Yayati and Sharmishtha

http://www.jatland.com/home/Anu
http://www.jatland.com/home/Yayati

Rigveda (ऋग्वेद) is one of four Vedas and is believed to be the oldest book of human history.
http://www.jatland.com/home/Rigveda.........http://www.ancientscripts.com/sumerian.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryans

Kumaon
Civilization has been around in Kumaon for a very long time. Proofs of Stone Age settlements have been found in Kumaon, mainly the rock shelter at Lakhu Udyar. The paintings here date back to the Mesolithic period.

Some authors use the term "Epipaleolithic" for those cultures that are late developments of hunter-gatherer traditions but not in transition toward agriculture, reserving the term "Mesolithic" for those cultures, like the Natufian culture, that are transitional between hunter-gatherer and agricultural practices.

Natufian culture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/3915/310pxnatufianspreadsvg.png (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/310pxnatufianspreadsvg.png/)

The name "Natufian" was chosen by Dorothy Garrod who studied the Shuqba cave in Wadi an-Natuf, Palestine, about halfway between Jaffa and Ramallah.

Shuqba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The term Levant, which first appeared in English in 1497, originally meant a wider sense of "Mediterranean lands east of Venetia", as in French soleil levant "rising Sun"

Anatomically modern Homo sapiens are demonstrated at the area of Mount Carmel, during the Middle Paleolithic dating from about c.90,000 BC. This move out of Africa seems to have been unsuccessful and by c.60,000 BC in Israel/Syria, especially at Amud, classic Neanderthal groups seem to have profitted from the worsening climate to have replaced Homo sapiens, who seem to have been confined once more to Africa

History of the Levant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://earthacupuncture.info/mythology%20of%20ningishzida.htm

1977

21-05-2010, 06:29 AM

ben87

21-05-2010, 06:51 AM

john the baptist, this is all connected.

salome=semiramis=mary (the mother)
holophernes=johan=john

She and Ninus had a son named Ninyas. After King Ninus conquered Asia, including the Bactrians, he was fatally wounded by an arrow. Semiramis then masqueraded as her son and tricked her late husband's army into following her instructions because they thought these came from their new ruler. After Ninus's death she reigned as queen regnant, conquering much of Asia.

Protestant minister Alexander Hislop in The Two Babylons (1853)[11] claims that Semiramis was an actual person in ancient Mesopotamia who invented polytheism and, with it, goddess worship.

Hislop believed that Semiramis was a consort of Nimrod, builder of the Bible's Tower of Babel, though Biblical mention of consorts to Nimrod is lacking.

According to Hislop, Semiramis invents polytheism in an effort to corrupt her subjects' original faith in the God of Genesis.

In support of his claim, Hislop talked about legends of Semiramis being raised by doves. He referred to the writings by the church's Ante Nicene Fathers to suggest that these stories began as propaganda invented and circulated by Semiramis herself so her subjects would ascribe to her the status of virgin birth and view her child as the fulfillment of the "seed" prophecy in Genesis 3:15.

Hislop believed Semiramis' child to be the Akkadian deity Tammuz, a god of vegetation as well as a life-death-rebirth deity.

He maintained that all divine pairings in world myths and religions depicted in art e.g. Isis/Osiris, Aphrodite/Cupid, Asherah/Orion[citation needed], Mary/Jesus and others are retellings of the tale of Semiramis and Tammuz. Semiramis goes on to become the Blessed Virgin Mary according to Hislop's book. This attempts to support Hislop's claim that Roman Catholicism is in fact paganism.

Hislop took literary references to Osiris and Orion as "seed of woman" as evidence in support of his thesis. The legends already existing in his day about Semiramis he claimed were distortions of history.

Hislop's claims continue to be circulated among some fundamentalist Christians today in the form of Jack Chick tracts, comic books and related media, even though historians largely consider Hislop's claims to be without merit, even going so far as to call them fraudulent.

lightgiver

21-05-2010, 06:18 PM

There was no "Aryan Invasion."

The Babylonian Brotherhood

As the flood waters receded after the Venus cataclysm the survivors came down from the mountains and up from within the Earth. They settled on the lowlands and plains and began to rebuild. This was when Sumer, Egypt and the civilization in the Indus Valley suddenly appeared at a very high level of technological advancement, although they had existed before and were now restored after the upheavals.

The Sumerian society began at the peak of its development because of this sudden infusion of knowledge and the white Aryan race, originally from Mars, expanded out from the Caucasus Mountains and the Near East down into Sumer, Egypt and the Indus Valley where, as even conventional history agrees, highly advanced societies spontaneously emerged. However within this white race, and others also, was a genetic stream I will call reptile-Aryan or reptile-human. Whenever I use the term Aryan I am referring to the white race.

These were the crossbreed bloodlines created from the genetic manipulation of the Anunnaki. The major centre for the reptile-Aryan bloodlines, in the ancient world after the flood waters receded, was Babylon in the south of the Sumer region alongside the River Euphrates. A closer look at the evidence appears to date the foundation of Babylon far earlier than previously believed and it was one of the first cities of the post-flood era. It was here that the mystery schools and secret societies were formed which were to span the globe in the thousands of years that followed.

The Brotherhood which controls the world today is the modern expression of the Babylonian Brotherhood of reptile-Aryan priests and ‘royalty’ which came together there after the flood. It was in Babylon in this post-flood period from around 6,000 years ago that the foundation beliefs - manipulated beliefs - of today’s world religions were established to control and rule the people.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1041/biggestsecretbook15.jpg (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/biggestsecretbook15.jpg/)

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/biggestsecret03.htm

Perhaps Jesus is John's spiritual Self.

John the Baptist as well.

could well be

As Manly P. Hall, the Freemasonic historian, wrote:

“While the elaborate ceremonial magic of antiquity was not necessarily evil, there arose from its perversion several false schools of sorcery, or black magic, (In Egypt)... the black magicians of Atlantis continued to exercise their superhuman powers until they had completely undermined and corrupted the morals of the primitive Mysteries... they usurped the position formerly occupied by the initiates, and seized the reins of spiritual government.

“Thus black magic dictated the state religion and paralyzed the intellectual and spiritual activities of the individual by demanding his complete and unhesitating acquiescence in the dogma formulated by the priestcraft. The Pharaoh became a puppet in the hands of the Scarlet Council - a committee of arch-sorcerers elevated to power by the priesthood.”

Another group of Scythians, who became known as the Sakkas, went east from the Caucasus following the trail of the earlier Aryans and they reached the borders of China by 175 BC. About this time Chinese records tell of a people called the Sai-wang or Sok-wang who were forced to flee India. Sok-wang means ‘Sakka princes’. The records indicate that these Sakka retreated south into India through the mountain passes from Afghanistan, and coins dating from about 100 BC confirm that a Sakka kingdom was created in the upper Indus valleys between Kashmir and Afghanistan. Again it is not a coincidence that the religion of Buddhism emerged from lands occupied by the Sakka (Aryan Scythians).

At least by 500 BC a tribe called the Sakyas lived in the area where Buddha is supposed to have been born around 63 years earlier. Gautama (Lord Buddha) was called Sakyashina, Sakamuni, the Sakya sage, Sakya the teacher and the lion of the tribe of Sakya.

Sakya (Shakya): derived or descended from the Sakas, from whom the historical Buddha came, whence his honorific Sakymuni. "Sage of the Sakyas." As the major migration of the Sakas and Parthians (Indo-europeans, Mongolians?) to India does not appear to have taken place before the fourth century B.C., the establishment of a tribe of the Sakas in north-eastern India would seem to have been one of the minor infiltrations from the Caucasus in the later part of the second millennium B.C. Their form of government was that by an assembly of elders. Many people of the Sakya tribe followed the Buddha after his enlightenment.

Sakyamuni (Shakyamuni): The author or reviver of Buddhism, whose birth appears to have occurred in the seventh, and death in the sixth century before Christ He was the son of Suddhodama, king of Kapila-Vastu (Kapilavatthu) or of Magadha. He was also called Sakyasimha ("lion of the Sakyas"). The epithet probably
originated in Tibet. It was applied to Gotama Siddhartha after he separated himself from his teachers and went to find enlightenment himself. The word "muni" means capability and kindness and refers to a sage.

http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/believeitornot.html

Buddha Shakyamuni, the "historical buddha," is sometimes called Lion of the Shakya (shakya or sakya is the name of his clan) and he is therefore depicted seated on a lion throne.

lightgiver

21-05-2010, 07:55 PM

In 1887 a Russian war correspondent, Nicolas Notovitch, visited India and Tibet. He claimed that, at the lamasery or monastery of Hemis in Ladakh, he learned of the "Life of Saint Issa, Best of the Sons of Men." Issa is the Arabic name of Jesus. His story, with a translated text of the "Life of Saint Issa," was published in French in 1894 as La vie inconnue de Jesus Christ. It was subsequently translated into English, German, Spanish, and Italian.

The "Life of Saint Issa, Best of the Sons of Men" purportedly recounts the travels of one known in the East as Saint Issa, whom Notovitch identified as Jesus. After initially doubting Notovitch, a disciple of Sri Ramakrishna, Swami Abhedananda, journeyed to Tibet, investigated his claim, helped translate part of the document, and later championed his views. Swami Satyasangananda conjectures that Jesus spent these eighteen years "growing in wisdom and stature" at Nalanda, the ancient Indian university

Nalanda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver

22-05-2010, 01:50 AM

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Paleolithic history

Between 1930 to 1932, Dorothy Garrod excavated four caves, and a number of rock shelters, in the Carmel mountain range at el-Wad, el-Tabun, and Es Skhul. Garrod discovered Neanderthal and early modern human remains, including the skeleton of a Neanderthal female, named Tabun I, which is regarded as one of the most important human fossils ever found. The excavation at el-Tabun produced the longest stratigraphic record in the region, spanning 600,000 or more years of human activity, from the Lower Paleolithic to the present day, representing roughly a million years of human evolution. There are also several well-preserved burials of Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens Sapiens) and passage from nomadic hunter-gatherer groups to complex, sedentary agricultural societies is extensively documented at the site. Taken together, these emphasize the paramount significance of the Mount Carmel caves for the study of human cultural and biological evolution within the framework of palaeo-ecological changes."

http://www.essene.com/History&Essenes/jew.htm http://www.ancientpaths.org/APJTnazandeb.html

According to Epiphanius, and Josephus, Mount Carmel had been the stronghold of the Essenes that came from a place in Galilee named Nazareth; though this Essene group are sometimes consequently referred to as Nazareans, they are not to be confused with the "Nazarene" sect, which followed the teachings of Jesus, but associated with the Pharisees. Members of the modern American groups claiming to be Essenes, but viewed by scholars as having no ties to the historical group, treat Mount Carmel as having great religious significance on account of the protection it afforded to the historic Essene group.

Pharisees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Sadducees (or Tzedukim) were a group of Jews opposed to the Pharisees (today's Rabbinical Jews), founded in the second century BC. They ceased to exist sometime after the destruction of the second Temple in Jerusalem (Herod's Temple) in 70AD.

Sadducees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In ancient Canaanite culture, high places were frequently considered to be sacred, and Mount Carmel appears to have been no exception; Thutmose III lists a holy headland among his Canaanite territories, and if this equates to Carmel, as Egyptologists such as Maspero believe, then it would indicate that the mountain headland was considered sacred from at least the 15th century BC. According to the Books of Kings, there was an altar to Yahweh on the mountain, which had fallen into ruin by the time of Ahab, but was rebuilt by Elijah. Iamblichus describes Pythagoras visiting the mountain on account of its reputation for sacredness, stating that it was the most holy of all mountains, and access was forbidden to many, while Tacitus states that there was an oracle situated there, which Vespasian visited for a consultation; Tacitus states that there was an altar there,[1] but without any image upon it, and without a temple around it.

lightgiver

23-05-2010, 08:12 PM

Perhaps Jesus is John's spiritual Self.

John the Baptist as well.

Mandaean scriptures

The Mandaeans have a large corpus of religious scriptures, the most important of which is the Genzā Rabbā or Ginza, a collection of history, theology, and prayers . The Genzā Rabbā is divided into two halves—the Genzā Smālā or "Left Ginza" and the Genzā Yeminā or "Right Ginza". By consulting the colophons in the Left Ginza, Jorunn J. Buckley has identified an uninterrupted chain of copyists to the late 2nd or early 3rd c. AD. The colophons attest to the existence of the Mandaeans during the late Arsacid period at the very latest, a fact corroborated by the Harrān Gāwetā legend, according to which the Mandaeans left Judea after the destruction of Jerusalem in the 1st c. AD, and settled within the Arsacid empire. Although the Ginza continued to evolve under the rule of the Sassanians and the Islamic empires, few textual traditions can lay claim to such extensive continuity.

Other important books include the Qolastā, the "Canonical Prayerbook of the Mandaeans", which was translated by E.S. Drower (much of it is found here and here). One of the chief works of Mandaean scripture, accessible to laymen and initiates alike, is the Draša d-Iahia "The Book of John the Baptist" (text; German translation), which includes a dialogue between John and Jesus. In addition to the Ginza, Qolusta, and Draša, there is the Dīvān, which contains a description of the 'regions' the soul ascends through, and the Asfar Malwāshē, the "Book of the Zodiacal Constellations". Finally, there are some pre-Muslim artifacts which contain Mandaean writings and inscriptions, such as some Aramaic incantation bowls.

The language in which the Mandaean religious literature was originally composed is known as Mandaic, and is a member of the Aramaic family of dialects. It is written in a cursive variant of the Parthian chancellory script. The majority of Mandaean lay people do not speak this language, though some members of the Mandaean community resident in Iran (ca. 300–500 out of a total of ca. 5,000 Iranian Mandaeans) continue to speak Neo-Mandaic, a modern version of this language.

Within the Middle East, but outside of their community, the Mandaeans are more commonly known as the Ṣubba (singular Ṣubbī). The term Ṣubba is derived from the word muṣbattah (Arabic: مصبتة‎), the baptism ritual of the Mandaeans. In Islam, the term "Sabians" (Arabic: الصابئون‎ al-Ṣābiʾūn) is used as a blanket term for adherents to a number of religions, including that of the Mandaeans, in reference to the Sabians of the Qur'an. Occasionally, Mandaeans are called Christians of Saint John, based upon preliminary reports made by members of the Discalced Carmelite mission in Basra during the 16th century.

A mandá (Arabic: مندى‎) is a place of worship for followers of Mandaeism. A mandá must be built beside a river in order to perform maṣbattah because water is an essential element in the Mandaeic faith. Modern mandás sometimes have a bath inside a building instead.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5205/449pxmandean.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/i/449pxmandean.jpg/)

Chief prophets

Mandaeans recognize several prophets, among whom Yahia or Yuhana "John the Baptist" is accorded a special status, higher than his role in Christianity and Islam. Mandaeans do not consider John to be the founder of their religion but revere him as one of their greatest teachers, tracing their beliefs back to Adam.

Origin of the term "Mandaean"

The term comes from Classical Mandaic Mandaiia and appears in Neo-Mandaic as Mandeyānā. On the basis of cognates in other Aramaic dialects, Semiticists such as Mark Lidzbarski and Rudolf Macuch have translated the term manda, from which Mandaiia derives, as "knowledge" (cf. Aramaic מַנְדַּע mandaʕ in Dan. 2:21, 4:31, 33, 5:12; cpr. Hebrew: מַדַּע‎ maddaʕ without the nasal insert). This etymology suggests that the Mandaeans may well be the only sect from late Antiquity to identify themselves explicitly as Gnostics. Certainly, the Mandaean religion shares much with the ensemble of sects labelled as Gnostics, which date to the 1st century AD and the following centuries; however, there are crucial differences, particularly in the realm of the behavioral ethics of the laity.

According to E.S. Drower, the Mandaean Gnosis is characterized by nine features, which appear in various forms in other gnostic sects:

1. A supreme formless Entity, the expression of which in time and space is creation of spiritual, etheric, and material worlds and beings. Production of these is delegated by It to a creator or creators who originated in It. The cosmos is created by Archetypal Man, who produces it in similitude to his own shape.
2. Dualism: a cosmic Father and Mother, Light and Darkness, Right and Left, syzygy in cosmic and microcosmic form.
3. As a feature of this dualism, counter-types, a world of ideas.
4. The soul is portrayed as an exile, a captive: home and origin being the supreme Entity to which the soul eventually returns.
5. Planets and stars influence fate and human beings, and are also places of detention after death.
6. A saviour spirit or saviour spirits which assist the soul on the journey through life and after it to 'worlds of light'.
7. A cult-language of symbol and metaphor. Ideas and qualities are personified.
8. 'Mysteries', i.e. sacraments to aid and purify the soul, to ensure rebirth into a spiritual body, and ascent from the world of matter. These are often adaptations of existing seasonal and traditional rites to which an esoteric interpretation is attached. In the case of the Naṣoreans this interpretation is based upon the Creation story (see 1 and 2), especially on the Divine Man, Adam, as crowned and anointed King-priest.
9. Great secrecy is enjoined upon initiates; full explanation of 1, 2, and 8 being reserved for those considered able to understand and preserve the gnosis.

Mandaeans believe in marriage and procreation, and in the importance of leading an ethical and moral lifestyle in this world, placing a high priority upon family life. Consequently, Mandaeans do not practice celibacy or asceticism. Mandaeans will, however, abstain from strong drink and red meat. While they agree with other gnostic sects that the world is a prison governed by the planetary archons, they do not view it as a cruel and inhospitable one.

Mandaeism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The United States didn’t set out to eradicate the Mandeans???????, one of the oldest, smallest and least understood of the many minorities in Iraq. This extinction in the making has simply been another unfortunate and entirely unintended consequence of our invasion of Iraq—though that will be of little comfort to the Mandeans, whose 2,000-year-old culture is in grave danger of disappearing from the face of the earth. . . . . When American forces invaded in 2003, there were probably 60,000 Mandeans in Iraq; today, fewer than 5,000 remain. . . . Of the mere 500 Iraqi refugees who were allowed into the United States from April 2003 to April 2007, only a few were Mandeans. And despite the Bush administration’s commitment to let in 7,000 refugees in the fiscal year that ended [September 30, 2007], fewer than 2,000, including just three Iraqi Mandean families, entered the country. If all Iraqi Mandeans are granted privileged status and allowed to enter the United States in significant numbers, it may just be enough to save them and their ancient culture from destruction. If not, after 2,000 years of history, of persecution and tenacious survival, the last Gnostics will finally disappear, victims of an extinction inadvertently set into motion by our nation’s negligence in Iraq.
—Nathaniel Deutsch, professor of religion, Swarthmore College, October 7, 2007

lightgiver

23-05-2010, 08:27 PM

Egyptian Roots of Catholicism –
The Show Must Go On

"In their hidden character the enigmas of the Egyptians were very similar to those of the Jews."
– Clement of Alexandria (Stromata, v7 iii p56)

The Palestinian fantasy of a Jesus Christ was already endemic in the religious milieu of Egypt when Constantine gave the Faith its seal of approval. The 'Flight to Egypt' in Matthew, was probably written into the story by the Church of Alexandria – it appears in none of the other gospels and contradicts the return to Nazareth.

Coptic 'tradition' has it that Jesus spent his childhood in Egypt – and that the 'Nativity' occurred in the Fayum at Ahnas (Heracleopolis Magna), which just happens to have been a cult centre for Arsaphes, son of Isis!

In the hands of 4th century bishop Athanasius, the key aspect of the Egyptian god/human interface – "Begotten, not made, of one essence with the Father" – entered Christian theology. Athanasius wrote:

"The Word, then, visited that Earth in which He was yet always present...
Coming as God and as Man... Revealing Himself, conquering Death, and restored to life."
(On the Incarnation)

Thus the religion of the Pharaohs was recast in Christian form – theology, iconology and the whole glorious paraphernalia of priestcraft.

http://www.roman-empire.net/articles/article-028.html

Cleopatra’s coinage hailed her as Isis, the ‘New Goddess,’ and she was actively worshipped as such in Egypt. After the ‘Donations of Alexandria’ she was never in public without her Isis robes. Caesar had even recognized Cleopatra as Isis in a triumph held in Rome.

The names Cleopatra chose for the twins are telling. The boy was known as Alexander Helios, the girl as Cleopatra Selene, thus usurping the title of the Parthian king, ‘brother of the sun and the moon.’

lightgiver

25-05-2010, 10:40 PM

All monarchical and governmental practice has, for centuries, been based upon the initial precept of this charter but, in reality, its dogmatic precept is wholly invalid. When the Donation of Constantine made its first appearance in the middle 8th century it was alleged to have been written by Emperor Constantine some 400 years earlier, although strangely never produced in the interim. It was even dated and carried his supposed signature. What the document proclaimed was that the Emperor's appointed Pope was Christ's elected representative on Earth, with the power to 'create' kings as his subordinates since his palace ranked above all the palaces in the world! The provisions of the Donation were put into operation by the Vatican in 751, whereupon the Merovingian Fisher Kings of the Grail bloodline in Gaul were deposed and a whole new dynasty was supplemented by way of a family of hitherto mayors. They were dubbed Carolingians and their only king of any significance was the legendary Charlemagne. By way of this strategy, the whole nature of monarchy changed from being an office of community guardianship to one of absolute rule and, by virtue of this monumental change, the long-standing Grail Code of princely service was forsaken as European kings became servants of the Church instead of being servants of the people. The fact is, however, that over 500 years ago in the Renaissance era, proof emerged that the Donation was an outright forgery. Its New Testament references relate to the Latin Vulgate Bible – an edition translated and compiled by St. Jerome, who was not born until AD 340, some 26 years after Constantine supposedly signed the document! Apart from that, the language of the Donation, with its numerous anachronisms, is that of the 8th century and bears no relation to the writing style of Constantine's day. It is known today as "the most famous forgery in the world", but despite this, the Donation's overwhelming dictate, which cemented the Pope as the supreme spiritual and temporal head of Christendom, has prevailed regardless. Prior to the Grail's formal subjugation by the Church Inquisition in the Middle Ages, the victimised heterodox Christians (or 'heretics' as they were called) included the Cathars – the Pure Ones of the Languedoc region in the South of France. The Cathars were fully conversant with the Ring Lord culture and, in accordance with tradition, referred to the Messianic bloodline as the Elven race, venerating them as the Shining Ones. This is of course wholly indicative of the very same style afforded to the ancient Anunnaki – the great sons of Lord Anu, also called the Anna-nagge: the Shining Ones. In the language of old Provence, a female elf was an 'albi', and Albi was the name given to the main Cathar centre in Languedoc. This was in deference to the matrilinear heritage of the Grail dynasty, for the Cathars were supporters of the original Albi-gens: the Elven bloodline which had descended through the Grail queens of yore such as Nin-kharsag, Eresh-kigal, Lilith, Miriam, Bathsheba and Mary Magdalene. It was for this very reason that, when Simon de Montfort and the armies of Pope Innocent III descended upon the Languedoc region in 1209, it was called the Albigensian Crusade. Through some thirty-five years, tens of thousands of innocent people were slaughtered in this savage campaign, all because the inhabitants of the region were upholders of the original concept of Grail kingship, as against the inappropriate style of monarchy which had been established by the papal machine and its fabricated document of charter. The concept of calling the princely race of the Grail the Shining Ones, while also defining them as Elves, dates well back into ancient Bible times and can be traced into Mesopotamia (modern Iraq) and Canaan (Palestine). The ancient word 'El', which was used to identify a god or lofty-one (as in El Elyon and El Shaddai) actually meant Shining in old Mesopotamian Sumer. To the north in Babylonia, the derivative 'Ellu' meant Shining One, as did 'Ilu' in Akkad. Subsequently, the word spread across Europe to become 'Ellyl' in Wales, 'Aillil' in Ireland, and 'Elf' in Saxony and England. The plural of El was Elohim, the very word used in old Bible texts to denote the gods, but strategically mistranslated to conform to the Judaeo-Christian 'One God' image. Interestingly, in Gaelic Cornwall, South West England, the word 'el' was the equivalent of the Anglo-Saxon 'engel' and the old French 'angele' which, in English, became 'angel'. There exists in Iran (ancient Persia) and the Canary Islands a large plant called the Dragontree. This plant is of the lily variety, and its resin is known as dragon's blood. The red extract was used as a ceremonial dye in the East, where it was referred to as 'lac', whose derivative 'lac' or 'lake' pigment is found today in the artists' paint colour Scarlet Lake. Dragons were very important to the descendant Shining Ones, who were anointed upon their kingly installation with the fatty oil of the sacred dragon – essentially a large four-legged monitor native to the Euphrates valley. In Mesopotamia, this creature was called the Mûs-hûs, and in Egypt his equivalent was the Messeh. On anointing, the kings were reckoned to gain the prowess of the sacred beast, becoming Messehs in their own right – and it is from this that the Hebrew term Messiah (meaning Anointed One) derived. Jesus was in no way unique in this regard – all the successive kings of the early Albigensian line were Messiahs. By virtue of the Dragontree, it is easy to recognize why the blood of the dragon was always associated with the essence of the lily – and indeed why the Grail queens of yore were often given applicable names such as Lily, Lilith, Luluwa, Lilutu and Lillet

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4934&page=180

lightgiver

28-05-2010, 06:31 PM

rapunzel

28-05-2010, 07:01 PM

Interestingly, Jesus used the Greek word "tetelestai" for "it is finished." This word means "paid in full." When a debt was fully paid, this word would be written on a loan document, will, or letter. In the first century, when people had paid their debt in full, they would shout out the word "tetelestai." It was a shout of triumph…a shout of victory. When Jesus said, "it is finished," He was declaring victory.

English to Greek for; It is done...... γίνεται........Greek to Arabic...هو

English to Greek for;paid in full........καταβάλλεται στο ακέραιο.........Greek to Arabic...مدفوعا بالكامل.

So could anyone here translate this word........TETELESTAI ? :)

Why do you think Jesus spoke in Greek and not Aramaic?

lightgiver

28-05-2010, 07:11 PM

Why do you think Jesus spoke in Greek and not Aramaic?

Did I say I think that

can you find the Aramaic translation or even any other translation then professor Rapunzel

maybe you could also tell us all what Eli Eli Lama Sabbachthani means while you are here :)

Irritator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

flickflack

29-05-2010, 10:38 AM

I think Christian doctrine is that God is so holy that he cannot be in the presence of sin which is why Christians argue that a person has to "washed clean" of sin by accepting Jesus. To me that sounds like painting over a rotten window frame. It may look good and clean to begin with but the rotten frame is still there.

The closest thing to perfection any living person can come, is to accept Jesus Christ as their one and only Savior. Jesus Christ was perfection itself, as he was one with the Heavenly Father.
Hope this helps. :)

rapunzel

29-05-2010, 06:12 PM

Did I say I think that

Yes you did: you said "Interestingly, Jesus used the Greek word "tetelestai" for "it is finished.".

can you find the Aramaic translation or even any other translation then professor Rapunzel

maybe you could also tell us all what Eli Eli Lama Sabbachthani means while you are here :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritator

I already put in my twopennyworth in a previous post.

"Isn't the sentence spoken in Aramaic and not Hebrew?

"Shabachtani[8] שׁבקתני appears to be a word of Aramaic origin. It means to leave, leave alone, entrust, bequeath, divorce, permit, forgive, abandon and forsake. It is used a total of five times in the Old Testament, all of which are found in the Aramaic portions of Daniel and Ezra. However, given that there was a limited amount of Aramaic influence exerted on the Hebrew language after the return from the Babylonian captivity, we later see the root shabak[9] שׁבק attested in Jewish writings such as the Jerusalem Talmud, which is where the Mishna is found.

Of the seven occurrences of shabak in the Mishnah, four are clearly couched in Hebrew prose. A passage from the Jerusalem Talmud (31:5:1), is an especially good example of the words surrounding shabak. The text contains certain grammatical structures and vocabulary which occur only in Hebrew and not Aramaic. A few examples are the use of the letter ה he found at the beginning of words which means the (Aramaic has א – aleph at the end of words). Also the word שׁ Shay, that, (used only Hebrew) versus די di[10] (used only in Aramaic). Thus the word shabak, which Jesus spoke on the cross, we find situated in the midst of Mishnaic Hebrew words and grammar, and therefore, we can safely conclude that while this was originally a loan word from Aramaic, by Jesus’ day, it had become common place in the Hebrew language. We should actually expect there to be some loan words in the language. "

Source: http://www.ccsom.org/languageofjesus...habachtani.htm

I have heard Christians explain this phrase thus:

Because Jesus was carrying mankind's sin on the cross God, who cannot tolerate sin, turned his face away from him. The man Jesus did not understand why he seemed to have been abandoned which is why he is recorded as saying "Eli, Eli.........""

flickflack

29-05-2010, 07:30 PM

"Isn't the sentence spoken in Aramaic and not Hebrew?

The Bible was written in Aramaic...

lightgiver

29-05-2010, 07:36 PM

Yes you did: you said "Interestingly, Jesus used the Greek word "tetelestai" for "it is finished.".

I already put in my twopennyworth in a previous post.

"Isn't the sentence spoken in Aramaic and not Hebrew?

"Shabachtani[8] שׁבקתני appears to be a word of Aramaic origin. It means to leave, leave alone, entrust, bequeath, divorce, permit, forgive, abandon and forsake. It is used a total of five times in the Old Testament, all of which are found in the Aramaic portions of Daniel and Ezra. However, given that there was a limited amount of Aramaic influence exerted on the Hebrew language after the return from the Babylonian captivity, we later see the root shabak[9] שׁבק attested in Jewish writings such as the Jerusalem Talmud, which is where the Mishna is found.

Of the seven occurrences of shabak in the Mishnah, four are clearly couched in Hebrew prose. A passage from the Jerusalem Talmud (31:5:1), is an especially good example of the words surrounding shabak. The text contains certain grammatical structures and vocabulary which occur only in Hebrew and not Aramaic. A few examples are the use of the letter ה he found at the beginning of words which means the (Aramaic has א – aleph at the end of words). Also the word שׁ Shay, that, (used only Hebrew) versus די di[10] (used only in Aramaic). Thus the word shabak, which Jesus spoke on the cross, we find situated in the midst of Mishnaic Hebrew words and grammar, and therefore, we can safely conclude that while this was originally a loan word from Aramaic, by Jesus’ day, it had become common place in the Hebrew language. We should actually expect there to be some loan words in the language. "

Source: http://www.ccsom.org/languageofjesus...habachtani.htm

I have heard Christians explain this phrase thus:

Because Jesus was carrying mankind's sin on the cross God, who cannot tolerate sin, turned his face away from him. The man Jesus did not understand why he seemed to have been abandoned which is why he is recorded as saying "Eli, Eli.........""

Poor show link not found

how do you know if your copy and paste is factual,you was not there when these events took place,or where you ?seeing you must have thoughts about reincarnation

Interestingly means of interest

try again professor :)

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6519/12133102542000millenniu.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/i/12133102542000millenniu.jpg/)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur-de-lis

at the end of the day no one really knows what it means

because folk just nod their heads without investigation

and you(Rapunzel) have no real evidence other than what you have copy and pasted from someone else

show me a link where there is a definite translation of this meaning "tetelestai" ?..........maybe you could go to google translate?

ben87

30-05-2010, 08:27 AM

The triple crown?

Wikipedia

"He wears a triple crown, and the keys to Heaven are at his feet. Sometimes he is shown with worshippers, as his alternate title is the Pope or, sometimes, Jupiter."

rapunzel

30-05-2010, 01:07 PM

Poor show link not found

Sorry, the link address got shortened when I posted it. This is the correct link.

http://www.ccsom.org/languageofjesus/EloiLamaShabachtani.htm

Go to the Home page on the above link. It is by a guy called Douglas Hamp.

Quote:

“Douglas Hamp has an MA in the Hebrew Bible from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel. He began teaching at the Spanish School of Ministry in 2003 and then was invited to join the pastoral staff and begin teaching full time in 2005 at the English School of Ministry and Graduate School…….”

how do you know if your copy and paste is factual,you was not there when these events took place,or where you ?seeing you must have thoughts about reincarnation

Interestingly means of interest

You keep saying I was not there when I say something contrary to you. Why is that? You were not there either.:confused:

and you(Rapunzel) have no real evidence other than what you have copy and pasted from someone else

What hypocrisy! But that’s all you ever do; copy and paste from someone else. You expect us to believe that but throw doubt on other people who cut and paste. How weird!:eek:

show me a link where there is a definite translation of this meaning "tetelestai" ?..........maybe you could go to google translate?

I never queried the word “tetelestai” but if you want a link try this that shows the word was “teleo”. I don’t speak Greek in any form so I don’t know what the difference in the words means here.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G5055&t=KJV

lightgiver

30-05-2010, 08:26 PM

Sorry, the link address got shortened when I posted it. This is the correct link.

http://www.ccsom.org/languageofjesus/EloiLamaShabachtani.htm

Go to the Home page on the above link. It is by a guy called Douglas Hamp.

Quote:

“Douglas Hamp has an MA in the Hebrew Bible from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel. He began teaching at the Spanish School of Ministry in 2003 and then was invited to join the pastoral staff and begin teaching full time in 2005 at the English School of Ministry and Graduate School…….”

You keep saying I was not there when I say something contrary to you. Why is that? You were not there either.:confused:

What hypocrisy! But that’s all you ever do; copy and paste from someone else. You expect us to believe that but throw doubt on other people who cut and paste. How weird!:eek:

I never queried the word “tetelestai” but if you want a link try this that shows the word was “teleo”. I don’t speak Greek in any form so I don’t know what the difference in the words means here.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G5055&t=KJV

All you do is copy and paste and get advice from others

hypocrisy ?

Example

Go to the Home page on the above link. It is by a guy called Douglas Hamp.“Douglas Hamp has an MA in the Hebrew Bible from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Israel. He began teaching at the Spanish School of Ministry in 2003 and then was invited to join the pastoral staff and begin teaching full time in 2005 at the English School of Ministry and Graduate School…….”

How does he know? and who says the Four gospels are the official version of events?maybe the 4 gospels are related to the 4 suns of Horus

Looks like to me the bible is a mistranslated book

Entrenched minds

http://webhome.idirect.com/~matzov/article3.html

The triple crown?

Wikipedia

"He wears a triple crown, and the keys to Heaven are at his feet. Sometimes he is shown with worshippers, as his alternate title is the Pope or, sometimes, Jupiter."

THE HAND OF GOD, THE POPE, OR THE CLAW OF SATAN?

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3770/trinity5.jpg (http://img715.imageshack.us/i/trinity5.jpg/)

coco

30-05-2010, 09:05 PM

Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani,

any thoughts on this one :)

Obviously Lama is a well known word,

Lama (Tibetan: བླ་མ་; Wylie: bla-ma; "chief" or "high priest" is a title for a Tibetan teacher of the Dharma. The name is similar to the Sanskrit term guru.:)

"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU4gBXPHyQ0&feature=related

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayings_of_Jesus_on_the_cross

Why he said it know one knows,,,maybe he was wanting death and be free of the body at this point.

Bon Pâques :)

I am not familiar with that version of Christ's exclamation. I have heard a different version which is a post or two below yours. I should have quoted in this post. I will edit:

Well, since I updated the anti virus I can't C&P anymore - Grr!

To transcribe:

"Eloi, Eloi lama sabachthani."

It was the 'Eli, Eli' that threw me off to be honest. :embarrassed:

lightgiver

30-05-2010, 09:15 PM

I am not familiar with that version of Christ's exclamation. I have heard a different version which is a post or two below yours. I should have quoted in this post. I will edit:

Well, since I updated the anti virus I can't C&P anymore - Grr!

To transcribe:

"Eloi, Eloi lama sabachthani."

It was the 'Eli, Eli' that threw me off to be honest. :embarrassed:

This is what we are trying to suss out ;)

Maybe he was speaking Sumerian?

Sumerian ( "native tongue") was the language of ancient Sumer, spoken in southern Mesopotamia (modern Iraq) since at least the 4th millennium BCE. During the third millennium BCE, there developed a very intimate cultural symbiosis between the Sumerians and the Akkadians, which included widespread bilingualism

Sumerian language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.halexandria.org/dward183.htm

Or Maybe Sanskrit (संस्कृता वाक्

Classical Sanskrit is the standard register as laid out in the grammar of Pāṇini, around the 4th century BCE. Its position in the cultures of South and Southeast Asia is akin to that of Latin and Greek in Europe and it has significantly influenced most modern languages of the Indian subcontinent, particularly in India and Nepal

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/sanskrit.htm

Something of interest here

The girl's name Eli \e-
li\, also used as boy's name Eli, is of Hindi and Sanskrit origin, and its meaning is "smart woman".:D excellento

Kama - name meaning, origin

The girl's name Kama \k(a)-
ma\ is of Sanskrit and Hebrew origin, and its meaning is "love; ripe".

The girl's name Karma \k(a)-
rma,
kar-
ma\ is pronounced KAR-mah. It is of Hindi and Sanskrit origin, and its meaning is "fate, destiny"

http://www.babynamespedia.com/meaning/Eli/f

lightgiver

30-05-2010, 10:02 PM

Apparently

The Island of Patmos, itself, is loaded with ancient references to the Mother Goddess and to the Fish God "Dogon"...rising from the sea. In fact, according to ancient traditions, the Goddess Selini and Apollo asked Zeus to raise Patmos from the sea.

Ironically, the word "Patmos" is a "feminine" gender. (Patmas!) Patmos is volcanic which has always been an ancient symbol for the combination of the "masculine lava" with a "cave". The name of the extinct "Volcano" is "Mount Elias" or "El-ias".

Elias is the Greek form of the Hebrew name "Elijah", the Great Prophet of the Old Testament. Elias is also the Greek "feminine" for the "masculine" word "HELIOS" which means Sun. The God "Apollo" was always symbolized by the light of the "Sun".

Elijah "brought down fire from the sky" and "raised the dead". Elijah was the first prophet to try to stop the Semites from "Ba'al" worship and the practice of Human Sacrifice. He also prophesied in the Book of Kings, that catastrophe will occur

"because Ahab and his queen--Jezebel--stand at the end of a line of kings of Israel who are said to have "done evil in the sight of the Lord." In particular, Ahab and Jezebel had encouraged the worship of Baal and killed the prophets of the Lord."

luciferhorus

30-05-2010, 10:38 PM

According to some he is saying, "Why have I forsaken myself?".. !?!

Well according to conventional Christian Theology, if Jesus is ontologically (i.e., the type of being) the Creator of the Universe, then he would have to have said "Myself, myself, why have I forsaken myself," however this is simply a perversion of the meaning of the original text.

For example

Jn.16:3 "And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor me."

Here Christians would have to argue that there must be some kind of mistake in the text, since if he was God the Creator, he would have had to state "And these things they will do to you because they have not known me nor me," or words to that effect.

Jn.20:17 "I am ascending to my Father and your Father to my God and your God."

Again this must be some kind of mistake, if Jesus is God the creator; he would have had to have stated "I am ascending to myself and mysslf to myself and myself" or words to that effect.

Jn.11:41-43 Jesus prays, " I thank you that you heard me, and I know that you always hear me."

This would have to be read as "I thank myself that I have heard myself and I know that I always hear myself," or words to that effect.

Of course this all makes no sense; but I think that is the point anyway. The methods of religious hypnosis appear to include the "confusion" of the hypnotic victim. Once they accept the first piece of nonesense as "truth" then they can being to accept almost "any" piece of nonesense as truth.

Christianity is essentially not the "faith of Jesus," is it a faith about the worship of Jesus which represents the anti-thesis of his teachings, and where theological mumbo jumbo takes precedence over his actual teachings.

Lux

A Brief Summary of the Teachings of Jesus.

Lucifer

Allegedly, these are the teachings of the eternal, unchanging, perfect, all knowing God whose teachings are allegedly as relevant today as they were 2000 years ago and will last until the end of time.

Since most Christians doe not seem to have ever read the Four Gospels, are unaware of the teachings of Jesus and are mostly entirely opposed to them, I set them out simply here.

1: Don't carry money.

2: Don't have more than one robe (only one article of clothing per person).

3: Don't pray in public in the streets or in the Temples.

4: Don't make promises (such as swearing oaths or contracts).

5: Sell "all" that you have and give the money away to the poor.

6: Give up your profession and your home. Feed the poor and heal the sick.

7: Do not go into the towns and cities of the Gentiles (i.e., foreigners, non Israelites). Give this message only to the lost children of Israel (the descendents of Moses' African slave revolution).

8: Do not worry about what to eat or drink; do not sow or reap.

9: Sell your clothes if you have to and buy swords.

10: Drink Jesus's flesh and blood.

11: Take up your cross. Since this was a first century metaphor for opposing Roman occupation, as crucifixion was the Roman penalty for resistance; we could interpret this as opposing the state to the point of martyrdom.

12: Do not refer to anyone as teacher (rabbi), father or master.

If there are any other points anyone else would like to add that I have missed I will add them, however I will only add essential teachings of "Jesus" from the 4 Gospels and not those of the myraids of people who have come after him and distorted his message.

Love and Light

Lucifer

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"Do not suppose that I come to bring peace to the earth: I
did not come to bring peace but a sword..........

lightgiver

01-06-2010, 05:23 PM

Interestingly, Jesus used the Greek word "tetelestai" for "it is finished." This word means "paid in full." When a debt was fully paid, this word would be written on a loan document, will, or letter. In the first century, when people had paid their debt in full, they would shout out the word "tetelestai." It was a shout of triumph…a shout of victory. When Jesus said, "it is finished," He was declaring victory.

English to Greek for; It is done...... γίνεται........Greek to Arabic...هو

English to Greek for;paid in full........καταβάλλεται στο ακέραιο.........Greek to Arabic...مدفوعا بالكامل.

So could anyone here translate this word........TETELESTAI ? :)

Anyone :)

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coco

01-06-2010, 06:32 PM

Languages sometimes use a same word or phrase for a few different connotations depending upon the context.

Perhaps TETELESTAI is such a word?

lightgiver

02-06-2010, 11:04 PM

Languages sometimes use a same word or phrase for a few different connotations depending upon the context.

Perhaps TETELESTAI is such a word?

Or even NO such word?

1977

03-06-2010, 12:27 AM

lightgiver

03-06-2010, 02:13 AM

What are you asking for, Lightgiver?

http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/5055.htm

finish, accomplish

From telos; to end, i.e. Complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt) -- accomplish, make an end, expire, fill up, finish, go over, pay, perform.

see GREEK telos

Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.

Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.

Do not believe in anything because it is found written in your religious books.

Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.

But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason, and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, accept it and live up to it.

A telos (from the Greek τέλοϛ for "end", "purpose", or "goal") is an end or purpose, in a fairly constrained sense used by philosophers such as Aristotle. It is the root of the term "teleology," roughly the study of purposiveness, or the study of objects with a view to their aims, purposes, or intentions. Teleology figures centrally in Aristotle's biology and in his theory of causes. It is central to nearly all philosophical theories of history, such as those of Hegel and Marx. One running debate in contemporary philosophy of biology is to what extent teleological language (as in the "purposes" of various organs or life-processes) is unavoidable, or is simply a shorthand for ideas that can ultimately be spelled out nonteleologically. Philosophy of action also makes essential use of teleological vocabulary: on Davidson's account, an action is just something an agent does with an intention--that is, looking forward to some end to be achieved by the action.

In contrast to telos, techne is the rational method involved in producing an object or accomplishing a goal or objective, however the two methods are not mutually exclusive in principle.

I cant see it......................TETELESTAI

Teleology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and then there is...................TELE- is a Greek prefix meaning "distant"

The Collected Works of the Phantom Linguist:
http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/ling008_a.html

1977

03-06-2010, 03:52 AM

Okay, how's this? The first stage of the Eleusinian Mysteries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia was the Teletæ: http://sacred-texts.com/cla/ebm/ebm04.htm

The first initiations of the Eleusinia were called Teletæ or terminations, as denoting that the imperfect and rudimentary period of generated life was ended and purged off; and the candidate was denominated a mysta, a vailed or liberated person. The Greater Mysteries completed the work; the candidate was more fully instructed and disciplined, becoming an epopta or seer. He was now regarded as having received the arcane principles of life. This was also the end sought by philosophy. The soul was believed to be of composite nature, linked on the one side to the eternal world, emanating from God, and so partaking of Divinity. On the other hand, it was also allied to the phenomenal or external world, and so liable to be subjected to passion, lust, and the bondage of evils. This condition is denominated generation; and is supposed to be a kind of death to the higher form of life. Evil is inherent in this condition; and the soul dwells in the body as in a prison or a grave. In this state, and previous to the discipline of education and the mystical initiation, the rational or intellectual element, which Paul denominates the spiritual, is asleep. The earth-life is a dream rather than a reality.

Telesterion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A great hall in Eleusis, Telesterion was one of the primary centers of the Eleusinian Mysteries. At some point in the 5th century BC, Iktinos, the great architect of the Parthenon, built the Telesterion big enough to hold thousands of people.

As the climax of the ceremonies at Eleusis, the initiates entered the Telesterion where they were shown the sacred relics of Demeter and the priestesses revealed their visions of the holy night (probably a fire that represented the possibility of life after death). This was the most secretive part of the Mysteries and those who had been initiated were forbidden to ever speak of the events that took place in the Telesterion.

ben87

03-06-2010, 05:07 AM

The king must die!

chip1

03-06-2010, 02:27 PM

lightgiver

03-06-2010, 06:31 PM

[QUOTE=lightgiver;1058774956]Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani,

any thoughts on this one :)

Father Father Why Is This Darkness Falling Across My Face...

He was being put to sleep...

As this is my 9th post the number 9 is the number for being finished. As his last words It is Finished. David used ELI ELI also because he's one and the same. He was Doing Adams Vision In Dirt. On the cross that day he finished. Now he awaits for his Father's return to lift him to his Glory. Just as he said.

Was you there?

The Book of Revelation is Egyptian and Zoroastrian

One can find certain allegorical place names such as "Jerusalem" and "Israel" in the Book of Revelation. Massey has stated that Revelation, rather than having been written by any apostle called John during the 1st Century C.E., is a very ancient text that dates to the beginning of this era of history, i.e. possibly as early as 4,000 years ago. 86 Massey asserts that Revelation relates the Mithraic legend of Zarathustra/Zoroaster. 87 Hotema says of this mysterious book, which has baffled mankind for centuries:

"It is expressed in terms of creative phenomena; its hero is not Jesus but the Sun of the Universe, its heroine is the Moon; and all its other characters are Planets, Stars and Constellations; while its stage-setting comprises the Sky, the Earth, the Rivers and the Sea."

The common form of this text has been attributed by Churchward to Horus's scribe, Aan, whose name has been passed down to us as "John."88

The word Israel itself, far from being a Jewish appellation, probably comes from the combination of three different reigning deities: Isis, the Earth Mother Goddess revered throughout the ancient world; Ra, the Egyptian sungod; and El, the Semitic deity passed down in form as Saturn. 90 El was one of the earliest names for the god of the ancient Hebrews (whence Emmanu-El, Micha-El, Gabri-El, Samu-El, etc.), and his worship is reflected in the fact that the Jews still consider Saturday as "God's Day." 91

Indeed, that the Christians worship on Sunday betrays the genuine origins of their god and godman. Their "savior" is actually the sun, which is the "Light of the world that every eye can see." The sun has been viewed consistently throughout history as the savior of mankind for reasons that are obvious. Without the sun, the planet would scarcely last one day. So important was the sun to the ancients that they composed a "Sun Book," or "Helio Biblia," which became the "Holy Bible."

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_9a.htm

chip1

04-06-2010, 01:29 AM

ben87

04-06-2010, 06:33 AM

88-Approximately the number of days it takes Mercury to complete its orbit.

"Eighty-eight is used as code among Neo-Nazis to identify each other.[2] H is the 8th letter of the alphabet, so 88 is taken to stand for HH which in turn means Heil Hitler.[3] For example, the number is used in the song "88 rock'n'roll band" by the neo-Nazi group Landser. The late convicted Order terrorist David Lane wrote "Fourteen Words" and 88 Precepts, and the numbers are often found in combination (1488, 14/88, etc.). This form of the number has inspired the naming of the groups Column 88, Unit 88, White Legion 88 and Barselc88."

88- "in miles per hour, the speed that the DeLorean automobile must attain in order to travel in time, in the Back to the Future trilogy " - LOL

88-"the number of the Anti-Terrorist" in the documents submitted to NBC by Seung-Hui Cho prior to the Virginia Tech massacre on 16 April 2007"

88- "the number of an anti-terrorist police squad, called "Detachment 88", set up by the Indonesian government following the 2002 Bali bombings which killed 202 people, including 88 Australians "

chip1

04-06-2010, 03:24 PM

John 88 or John's Miracle. * THE MIRACLE(88) of THEE TRINITY CREATION is indeed GREAT(8)! The Eights {GREAT(8) and THE MIRACLE(88)} are also interconnected directly through their Sacred Geometry Symbolic Designs.

You can't stop there the numbers are still visible. The name is in it's Greatest Form.

So 8+8 is 7 and 7 is the number for Freedom.

Down the basic's of 88 or the name and number's.

John's Great Miracle of Freedom...

lightgiver

04-06-2010, 06:30 PM

"It is expressed in terms of creative phenomena; its hero is not Jesus but the Sun of the Universe, its heroine is the Moon; and all its other characters are Planets, Stars and Constellations; while its stage-setting comprises the Sky, the Earth, the Rivers and the Sea."

The common form of this text has been attributed by Churchward to Horus's scribe, Aan, whose name has been passed down to us as "John."88"

Yes en-deed it's the way it works. Let's start with Aan The name Adam the small a is Michael. The small n is Gabriel. The moon is the daughter of this earth Raphael. The spirit of this earth is beautiful and harsh. The moon which she loves with all her heart keeps her in place. Adam Michael and Gabriel the Sun Mercury and Venus...

The Help Mate of the Earth is the Sun Adam. Adam had a son and daughter before the earth gave birth. Those Five Spirits. A Family Bond by Creation which consists of every thing that exists.

Jesus talked to the woman at the well. He told her that she had already been married Five times... These are the Five. A Father A Son A Daughter A Daughter and a Wife. The Family Plan...

Lightgiver you are very Knowledgeable. Israel is the name of this world. To lead her from the hands of ISIS... So it's people can have a true Jerusalem. Paradise a combination of Israel and Salem.

cheers for that,all knowledge is given through the kindness of our mothers :)

but is IS RA EL not ISIS RA EL

ISIS

Isis [IS] was an Egyptian Throne Goddess dating back to the 5th dynasty. Her name literally means the feminine aspect of the throne - also the Queen of the throne. However, the hieroglyph for her name used originally meant (female) of flesh, i.e. mortal, and she may simply have represented deified Earthly queens of the World. She was most prominently remembered as the wife of Horus, or, in later periods, as the wife of Osiris and mother of Horus, and was worshiped as the archetypal wife and mother. Isis is the feminine archetype for creation - the goddess of fertility and motherhood. She has gone by many names, such as the 'virgin' Mary, and played many roles in history and mythology -as goddess, virgin, and female creator of life.

Isis represents the feminine aspects of life - male and female alike, for she represents creation, rebirth, reincarnation, Ascension, intuition, psychic abilities, higher frequency vibrations, love and compassion. In other words, she represents nature and all that is natural of our existence. She is the mother nurturer - the High Priestess - the Goddess of creation, and perhaps representing Eve, the first woman and mother of all.
Isis became prominent late in Egyptian history when it began to absorb the cults of many other goddesses. It eventually spread outside Egypt throughout the Middle East and Europe, with temples to her built as far away as the British Isles. Remnants of her worshipers remained in Christian Europe as late as the 6th century, when at that time, her memory was honored as the virgin mother of the Christian god, Jesus.

RA

Ra (sometimes spelled Rê) is the sun-god of Heliopolis in ancient Egypt. Ra originally meant "mouth" in the Egyptian language, and was a reference to his creation of the deities of the Ogdoad system, excluding the 8 concepts which created him, by the power of speech (compare how Yahweh was said to have created the world). In later Egyptian dynastic times, Ra was subsumed into the god Horus, as Re-Horakhty (and many variant spellings).

The Eye of Ra,

The sun is either the entire body of Ra, or just his eye. The symbols of Ra are the solar symbols of a golden disk or the symbol ⊙ (circle with a point at its centre). He was also associated with the Phoenix, as he rose again each morning in flames.

The Eye of RA was a symbol that signified royal power, yet on the numeration side denoted a decimal system where round off was set to the first 6-terms. The ancients believed this symbol of indestructibility would assist in rebirth, due to their beliefs about the soul. The more recent tradition of freemasonry adopted the symbol in the form of the Eye of Providence and as such it has survived to this day, and appears as the Eye of Providence on the recto of the Great Seal of the United States. The Eye of Horus (flanked by Nekhbet and Wadjet) was found under the 12th layer of bandages on Tutankhamun's mummy.

Horus was an ancient god in Egyptian mythology who dramatically evolved over the whole of Egyptian history. Early on, he became identified as a sky god, where one of his eyes was the sun, and the other the moon. His weaker eye later became less important in his mythology, and he became more strongly aligned with the sun, particularly when the cult of Thoth, a moon god, arose. As the sun, or rather, with his eye as the sun, his eye had a special meaning, and became a symbol of power when combined with the hieratic aspects of the subject. Originally, Ra held this position, but as Horus gradually became more important, he transformed into a sun god, so Horus became thought of as Ra, or rather Ra-Herakhty ("Ra, who is Horus of the two horizons"). Later Horus-Eye numeration decreased in importance in Egyptian life, with hieratic, demotic and later improvements in Egyptian arithmetic solving the oldest Horus-Eye problem. The oldest Horus-Eye problem was to write any number, like one (1), exactly, without throwing away any piece of the number.

Ellil

"The Akkadian god of earth and wind. He is the son of Ansar and Kisar, the primordial deities, and the father of the moon god Sin. Together with Ea and Anu he forms a powerful triad of gods in the ancient Mesopotamian religion. He is represented wearing a headband which is decorated with horns. He is equivalent to the Sumerian god Enlil."

Enlil

"In ancient Sumero-Babylonian myth, Enlil ("lord wind") is the god of air, wind and storms. Enlil is the foremost god of the Mesopotamian pantheon, and is sometimes referred to as Kur-Gal ("great mountain"). In the Sumerian cosmology he was born of the union of An heaven and Ki earth. These he separated, and he carried off the earth as his portion. In later times he supplanted Anu as chief god. His consort is Ninlil with whom he has five children: Nanna, Nerigal, Ningirsu, Ninurta, and Nisaba.

Enlil holds possession of the Tablets of Destiny which gives him power over the entire cosmos and the affairs of man. He is sometimes friendly towards mankind, but can also be a stern and even cruel god who punishes man and sends forth disasters, such as the great Flood which wiped out humanity with the exception of Atrahasis. Enlil is portrayed wearing a crown with horns, symbol of his power. His most prestigious temple was in the city Nippur, and he was the patron of that city. His equivalent is the Akkadian god Ellil."

Mesopotamian deities
Category:Mesopotamian deities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

chip1

05-06-2010, 04:39 PM

but is IS RA EL not ISIS RA EL

ISIS is the help mate of the Creator. The Creator's wife. She began in the east. The Creator began in the west. She is Soul, He is Spirit...

From Slavery to Freedom... From the east to the west. Did I not lead you from slavery. As the name Noah, No Outcasts Allowed Here. As the name Moses, Move Over Satan Exiting Slavery. To the first book of the New Testament. Matthew...

Make All Truly Together Here Everyone's Welcome.

As John, Join Our Home Now...

As Enoch the Earth's Next Orbit Changes History my friend. One cycle around the milky way...

lightgiver

05-06-2010, 06:12 PM

chip1

05-06-2010, 06:22 PM

Reincarnations of ISIS the transgression of her. Before she was ISIS she was LILITH.

Let there be Light. Light the Father and the Darkness the Mother...

Two paths one from the Light one from the darkness. The spirit of life came from the light created out of the darkness.

The Ying and Yang.

The man called Jesus came from the light here to understand and learn from his Mother. To collect his Soul...

ISIS the Seed of Sin and the Seed of Salvation...

Mary= Mother Adams Raised Yahweh...

lightgiver

05-06-2010, 08:06 PM

bendoon

06-06-2010, 02:35 AM

chip1

06-06-2010, 05:48 PM

ISRAEL is the Name of a mate. The mate of ISIS. The Sun God. She represented the dark path. Her mate represents the path of Light. Good and Evil.

In the Bible Jesus told some priests that they were not from his Father. They were from his mother's side. As Noah led, As David led, As Moses Led. They led people from the Dark to the Light.

Have you ever considered that Adam was teaching Eve where she came from? If so then you would understand that Adam led Eve into the light. She came from him. Adam was much more than what people have labeled him. He is the One. He created himself.

Everything that was done was done out of love. The word Love means, Life's One Family Everyone...

As my name Celt now. Broken down C EL T Christ The Son of Truth. After this passage of time. As this cycle of life completes so will my name. It will become

Celta it will be the whole truth at the end of this passage.

C christ el the Son God tav The Family of Truth. Christ the God of Truth. In Greek HERMES...

You asked if I was there. I can say yes...

lightgiver

06-06-2010, 07:15 PM

He is referring you to Psalm 22

1(A) My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so(B) far from saving me, from the words of my(C) groaning?
2O my God, I cry by(D) day, but you do not answer,
and by night, but I find no rest.

3Yet you are(E) holy,
(F) enthroned on(G) the praises[a] of Israel.
4In you our fathers trusted;
they trusted, and you delivered them.
5To you they(H) cried and were rescued;
in you they(I) trusted and were not put to shame.

.............................. snip

it shall be told of the Lord to the coming generation;
31they shall come and proclaim his righteousness to a people yet unborn,
that he has done it.

Who told you that?:)

BTW English is not that old

ISRAEL is the Name of a mate. The mate of ISIS. The Sun God. She represented the dark path. Her mate represents the path of Light. Good and Evil.

In the Bible Jesus told some priests that they were not from his Father. They were from his mother's side. As Noah led, As David led, As Moses Led. They led people from the Dark to the Light.

Have you ever considered that Adam was teaching Eve where she came from? If so then you would understand that Adam led Eve into the light. She came from him. Adam was much more than what people have labeled him. He is the One. He created himself.

Everything that was done was done out of love. The word Love means, Life's One Family Everyone...

As my name Celt now. Broken down C EL T Christ The Son of Truth. After this passage of time. As this cycle of life completes so will my name. It will become

Celta it will be the whole truth at the end of this passage.

C christ el the Son God tav The Family of Truth. Christ the God of Truth. In Greek HERMES...

You asked if I was there. I can say yes...

whose mate?

Isis or Is Ra El

Is Ra El appear to have forgot this 1

Thou shall not kill...................Palestinians

and a few more

You shall not steal................Palestine

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour...............Palestine

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house...............Palestinian homes

YEP; IS RA EL appear to enjoy breaking their commandments.

dlb2007

07-06-2010, 01:00 AM

I think Jesus was simply drawing the crowds attention and probably future generations to King Davids prophecy

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my groaning?

my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou answerest not; And in the night season, and am not silent.

But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.

Our fathers trusted in thee: They trusted, and thou didst deliver them.

They cried unto thee, and were delivered: They trusted in thee, and were not put to shame.

But I am a worm, and no man; A reproach of men, and despised of the people.

All they that see me laugh me to scorn: They shoot out the lip, they shake the head,'saying ,

Commit thyself unto Jehovah; Let him deliver him: Let him rescue him, seeing he delighteth in him.

But thou art he that took me out of the womb; Thou didst make me trust when I was upon my mother's breasts.

I was cast upon thee from the womb; Thou art my God since my mother bare me.
Be not far from me; for trouble is near; For there is none to help.

Many bulls have compassed me; Strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.

They gape upon me with their mouth, As a ravening and a roaring lion.

I am poured out like water, And all my bones are out of joint: My heart is like wax; It is melted within me.

My strength is dried up like a potsherd; And my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; And thou hast brought me into the dust of death.

For dogs have compassed me: A company of evil-doers have inclosed me; They pierced my hands and my feet.

I may count all my bones; They look and stare upon me.

They part my garments among them, And upon my vesture do they cast lots.

But be not thou far off, O Jehovah: O thou my succor, haste thee to help me.

Deliver my soul from the sword, My darling from the power of the dog.

Save me from the lion's mouth; Yea, from the horns of the wild-oxen thou hast answered me.

I will declare thy name unto my brethren: In the midst of the assembly will I praise thee.

23Ye that fear Jehovah, praise him; All ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; And stand in awe of him, all ye the seed of Israel.

24For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; Neither hath he hid his face from him; But when he cried unto him, he heard.

25Of thee cometh my praise in the great assembly: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.

26The meek shall eat and be satisfied; They shall praise Jehovah that seek after him: Let your heart live for ever.

27All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn unto Jehovah; And all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

28For the kingdom is Jehovah's; And he is the ruler over the nations.

29All the fat ones of the earth shall eat and worship: All they that go down to the dust shall bow before him, Even he that cannot keep his soul alive.

30A seed shall serve him; It shall be told of the Lord unto the next generation.

31They shall come and shall declare his righteousness Unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done it.

again JC fullfills another prophecy in the OT when he said "I thirst" when they gave him vinegar to drink.... and when all was fullfilled he said "it is accomplished" = apart from the direct scripture prophecies JC fullfilled on the cross many understandings and deeper insights can be discovered by meditating on the passion.............. Good Thread!!!

chip1

07-06-2010, 05:56 PM

ISRAEL is the Mate of the Creator. Israel is the earth, her mate is the sun. The sun is spirit and Israel is soul.

The people of Israel follow the rules of Isis and that is as you say. They take what they want by any means they desire. Death and Destruction.

lightgiver

07-06-2010, 08:31 PM

It was called Canaan back then?

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chip1

07-06-2010, 09:35 PM

Ramal

Zoroastrianism

In Zoroastrian tradition, life is a temporary state in which a mortal is expected to actively participate in the continuing battle between truth and falsehood. Prior to being born, the soul (urvan) of an individual is still united with its fravashi, of which there are as very many, and which have existed since Mazda created the universe. During life, the fravashi acts as a guardian and protector. On the fourth day after death, the soul is reunited with its fravashi, and in which the experiences of life in the material world are collected for the continuing battle in the spiritual world. In general, Zoroastrianism does not have a notion of reincarnation, at least not until the final renovation of the world.

The name Zoroaster is of a Greek and Latin derivation from the Avestan (cf. name). In the Middle Persian and Modern Persian language (8th century-) he is called Zartosht (Persian: زرتشت [ˈzɑːrˌtoʃt]).

It is now generally thought that he lived about the 10th or 11th century BCE, though some scholars[who?] believe that he lived sometime between 1750 and 1500 BC or between 1400 and 1200 BC, although Iranian tradition places him at about 570 BC. The traditional Parsi people of Pakistan and India place the Prophet as older than 6000 BC.

Another etymology of the name is from zaratha (golden) and the ushtra (light) from the root ush, 'to shine'. Thus this designation of the Prophet would mean 'He of the Golden Light'. In yet another etymological variation, Zarathushtra is split into two words: Zara (gold, shine, or light) Thushtra (“lover” or “friend”) to mean “He who loves the light” while a Greek interpretation is consistent with “Golden Star” where the second part of his name is a variant of “aster” or akhtar (“star”).

Philosophy

In the Gathas, Zoroaster sees the human condition as the mental struggle between aša (truth) and druj (lie). The cardinal concept of aša — which is highly nuanced and only vaguely translatable — is at the foundation of all Zoroastrian doctrine, including that of Ahura Mazda (who is aša), creation (that is aša), existence (that is aša) and as the condition for Free Will, which is arguably Zoroaster’s greatest contribution to religious philosophy.

The purpose of humankind, like that of all other creation, is to sustain aša. For humankind, this occurs through active participation in life and the exercise of constructive thoughts, words and deeds.

Elements of Zoroastrian philosophy entered the West through their influence on Judaism and Middle Platonism and have been identified as one of the key early events in the development of philosophy.

Once the magi were associated with magic in Greek imagination, Zoroaster was bound to metamorphose into a magician too. The first century Pliny the elder names Zoroaster as the inventor of magic (Natural History 30.2.3). "However, a principle of the division of labor appears to have spared Zoroaster most of the responsibility for introducing the dark arts to the Greek and Roman worlds." That "dubious honor" went to the "fabulous magus, Ostanes, to whom most of the pseudepigraphic magical literature was attributed."[29] Although Pliny calls him the inventor of magic, the Roman does not provide a "magician's persona" for him.[29] Moreover, the little "magical" teaching that is ascribed to Zoroaster is actually very late, with the very earliest example being from the 14th century.[30]

One factor for the association with astrology was Zoroaster's name, or rather, what the Greeks made of it. Within the scheme of Greek thinking (which was always on the lookout for hidden significances and "real" meanings of words) his name was identified at first with star-worshiping (astrothytes "star sacrificer") and, with the Zo-, even as the living star. Later, an even more elaborate mytho-etymology evolved: Zoroaster died by the living (zo-) flux (-ro-) of fire from the star (-astr-) which he himself had invoked, and even, that the stars killed him in revenge for having been restrained by him.

Once the magi were associated with magic in Greek imagination, Zoroaster was bound to metamorphose into a magician too. The first century Pliny the elder names Zoroaster as the inventor of magic (Natural History 30.2.3). "However, a principle of the division of labor appears to have spared Zoroaster most of the responsibility for introducing the dark arts to the Greek and Roman worlds." That "dubious honor" went to the "fabulous magus, Ostanes, to whom most of the pseudepigraphic magical literature was attributed."[29] Although Pliny calls him the inventor of magic, the Roman does not provide a "magician's persona" for him.[29] Moreover, the little "magical" teaching that is ascribed to Zoroaster is actually very late, with the very earliest example being from the 14th century.[30]

One factor for the association with astrology was Zoroaster's name, or rather, what the Greeks made of it. Within the scheme of Greek thinking (which was always on the lookout for hidden significances and "real" meanings of words) his name was identified at first with star-worshiping (astrothytes "star sacrificer") and, with the Zo-, even as the living star. Later, an even more elaborate mytho-etymology evolved: Zoroaster died by the living (zo-) flux (-ro-) of fire from the star (-astr-) which he himself had invoked, and even, that the stars killed him in revenge for having been restrained by him.

In Islam

As regards the recognition of a prophet, the Zoroaster has said: "They ask you as to how should they recognize a prophet and believe him to be true in what he says; tell them what he knows the others do not, and he shall tell you even what lies hidden in your nature; he shall be able to tell you whatever you ask him and he shall perform such things which others cannot perform." (Namah Shat Vakhshur Zartust, .5-7. 50—54) Shortly before the advent of the prophet of Islam, [Mohammed], Persia was under the sovereignty of Sasan V. When the companions of the Prophet, on invading Persia, came in contact with the Zoroastrian people and learned these teachings, they at once came to the conclusion that Zoroaster was really a Divinely inspired prophet.

lightgiver

08-09-2010, 10:24 PM

Father Father Why Is This Darkness Falling Across My Face...

He was being put to sleep...

As this is my 9th post the number 9 is the number for being finished. As his last words It is Finished. David used ELI ELI also because he's one and the same. He was Doing Adams Vision In Dirt. On the cross that day he finished. Now he awaits for his Father's return to lift him to his Glory. Just as he said.

What about Lama Sabachthani ? :)

http://theredphoenix.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/gif-palestinian-loss-of-lan.jpg

throwback

08-09-2010, 11:20 PM

Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani,

any thoughts on this one :)

Obviously Lama is a well known word,

Lama (Tibetan: བླ་མ་; Wylie: bla-ma; "chief" or "high priest" is a title for a Tibetan teacher of the Dharma. The name is similar to the Sanskrit term guru.:)

Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani Has been translated as: ‘My God, my God, why have you let me down or foresaken me?" by most Bible translators, however,a study of ancient Aramaic texts reveals that Jesus may have been saying something quite different, which was lost in translation.

Aramaic scholars say that Matthew didn’t actually translate his gospel into Greek, because he wrote to the people who spoke the language he was writing, Aramaic. And it seems probable that the man who translated Matthew into Greek (they say his name was Zorba) mixed the Hebrew words with Aramaic when he translated them into Greek.

They point out that sabachthani is not the same as the Hebrew word that is used in the prophecy at Psalm 22:1, for there it uses the word sjebaqtani. And if Jesus had said forsaken, he would have said, ‘Eli, Eli, lema azab-thani?’ So they claim that Jesus really said, ‘My God, my God, why have you spared me?’ The point being, that Jesus was willing to suffer even more, but God in His mercy cut short his misery. However, others say that it actually means, ‘My God, my God, for this I was kept,’ or, ‘this was my destiny… for this I was born.’

the above was copied from this link
http://www.2001translation.com/MATTHEW.htm#_Forsaken

lightgiver

08-09-2010, 11:25 PM

Mongolian Lama
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Mongolian_Lama.JPG/371px-Mongolian_Lama.JPG

Lama (Tibetan: བླ་མ་; Wylie: bla-ma; "chief" or "high priest") is a title for a Tibetan teacher of the Dharma. The name is similar to the Sanskrit term guru (see Tibetan Buddhism and Bön). The title can be used as an honorific title conferred on a monk, nun or (in the Nyingma, Kagyu and Sakya schools) advanced tantric practitioner to designate a level of spiritual attainment and authority to teach, or may be part of a title such as Dalai Lama or Panchen Lama applied to a lineage of reincarnate lamas (Tulkus).

Perhaps due to misunderstandings by early western scholars attempting to understand Tibetan Buddhism, the term Lama has historically been erroneously applied to Tibetan monks generally. Similarly, Tibetan Buddhism was referred to as Lamaism by early western scholars and travellers who did not understand that what they were witnessing was a form of Buddhism; they may also have been unaware of the distinction between Tibetan Buddhism and Bön. The term Lamaism is now considered derogatory.

In the Vajrayana practice path of Tibetan Buddhism, the lama is often the tantric spiritual guide, the guru to the aspiring Buddhist yogi or yogini. As such, the lama will then appear as one of the Three Roots (a variant of the Three Jewels), alongside the yidam and protector (who may be a dakini, dharmapala or other Buddhist deity figure).

Anu was the father of all the gods and he originated from the heavens, and he was usually depicted sitting upon a throne.
Two of the major god-sons of Anu were Enki and Enlil.
Anu’s minor god-children were called the Annunaki.
The Gnostics called the Annunaki, the Archons.
Deceptively the names of the Sumerian lord gods, Anu, Enki and Enlil, were conjoined into the singular name El (god) within the Hebrew bible the Pentateuch.

Archon (Gr. ἄρχων, pl. ἄρχοντες) is a Greek word that means "ruler" or "lord", frequently used as the title of a specific public office. It is the masculine present participle of the verb stem ἀρχ-, meaning "to rule", derived from the same root as monarch, hierarchy and anarchy.

The name El, was first found within the ruins of the Royal Library of the Ebla in Syria, which are dated 2300 B.C.
Within the English Bible translations of the Pentateuch the name El was changed to the words, lord or god.
El was also depicted as the father of the minor gods of Canaan (Palestine).

After appearing to Moses, Yam also became known as El within the Pentateuch.

Ram YAM Kham Om Ah Hung .................http://almostdzogchen.blogspot.com/2006/07/ram-yam-kham-om-ah-hung.html

Yam is the seed syllable representing air and typically blue in color – Purifying through blowing away impurities.

The term Yantra is derived from the root yam suggesting a sense of control (say, as in niyantra to control), giving raise to the meaning of an instrument that can control or be controlled. In that sense, the body is a yantra. The other term tra is from the root word trayati, that which liberates. Yantra is that which controls and liberates. It draws towards the centre as also takes away from the centre of all reality.

http://shrifreedom.org/yoga/images/svadhisthana-2.jpg

http://jesusthegnostic.com/

Category:Lamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Star Trek -21 - The return of the Archons Part 1

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/files/u109/spock_scotty_meld.jpg

http://www.holisticonline.com/yoga/hol_yoga_breathing-ex-nadisodh.htm

bush doctor

10-09-2010, 12:01 AM

Mongolian Lama
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Mongolian_Lama.JPG/371px-Mongolian_Lama.JPGLama (Tibetan: བླ་མ་; Wylie: bla-ma; "chief" or "high priest") is a title for a Tibetan teacher of the Dharma. The name is similar to the Sanskrit term guru (see Tibetan Buddhism and Bön). The title can be used as an honorific title conferred on a monk, nun or (in the Nyingma, Kagyu and Sakya schools) advanced tantric practitioner to designate a level of spiritual attainment and authority to teach, or may be part of a title such as Dalai Lama or Panchen Lama applied to a lineage of reincarnate lamas (Tulkus).

Perhaps due to misunderstandings by early western scholars attempting to understand Tibetan Buddhism, the term Lama has historically been erroneously applied to Tibetan monks generally. Similarly, Tibetan Buddhism was referred to as Lamaism by early western scholars and travellers who did not understand that what they were witnessing was a form of Buddhism; they may also have been unaware of the distinction between Tibetan Buddhism and Bön. The term Lamaism is now considered derogatory.

In the Vajrayana practice path of Tibetan Buddhism, the lama is often the tantric spiritual guide, the guru to the aspiring Buddhist yogi or yogini. As such, the lama will then appear as one of the Three Roots (a variant of the Three Jewels), alongside the yidam and protector (who may be a dakini, dharmapala or other Buddhist deity figure).

Anu was the father of all the gods and he originated from the heavens, and he was usually depicted sitting upon a throne.
Two of the major god-sons of Anu were Enki and Enlil.
Anu’s minor god-children were called the Annunaki.
The Gnostics called the Annunaki, the Archons.
Deceptively the names of the Sumerian lord gods, Anu, Enki and Enlil, were conjoined into the singular name El (god) within the Hebrew bible the Pentateuch.

Archon (Gr. ἄρχων, pl. ἄρχοντες) is a Greek word that means "ruler" or "lord", frequently used as the title of a specific public office. It is the masculine present participle of the verb stem ἀρχ-, meaning "to rule", derived from the same root as monarch, hierarchy and anarchy.

The name El, was first found within the ruins of the Royal Library of the Ebla in Syria, which are dated 2300 B.C.
Within the English Bible translations of the Pentateuch the name El was changed to the words, lord or god.
El was also depicted as the father of the minor gods of Canaan (Palestine).

After appearing to Moses, Yam also became known as El within the Pentateuch.

Ram YAM Kham Om Ah Hung .................http://almostdzogchen.blogspot.com/2006/07/ram-yam-kham-om-ah-hung.html

Yam is the seed syllable representing air and typically blue in color – Purifying through blowing away impurities.

The term Yantra is derived from the root yam suggesting a sense of control (say, as in niyantra to control), giving raise to the meaning of an instrument that can control or be controlled. In that sense, the body is a yantra. The other term tra is from the root word trayati, that which liberates. Yantra is that which controls and liberates. It draws towards the centre as also takes away from the centre of all reality.

http://shrifreedom.org/yoga/images/svadhisthana-2.jpghttp://jesusthegnostic.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lamas

Star Trek -21 - The return of the Archons Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBHodHEygOchttp://www.psychologytoday.com/files/u109/spock_scotty_meld.jpghttp://www.holisticonline.com/yoga/hol_yoga_breathing-ex-nadisodh.htm

Star Trek rocks

The Cats Paw....

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

lightgiver

11-09-2010, 05:58 PM

THE LION'S PAW

This emblem was found in the sarcophagus of one of the great kings of Egypt, entombed in the pyramid erected to his memory. It brings to mind the representation of the king's initiation into those greater mysteries of Osiris held to be the highest aim of the wise and devout Egyptian."

The emblem may be thus explained: The form that lies dead before the altar is that of Osiris, the personified Sun God, whom the candidate represents in the drama of raising, lying dead at the winter solstice, slain by the grim Archer-November, the fatal month of the year, for the Sun. The figure of the Lion grasping the dead Sun God alludes to the constellation Leo, which prevailed 4,000 years ago, raised the Sun God to his place of power and glory on the summit of the grand royal arch of heaven at the summer solstice, and denoted then, as it does now, that the Sun and the candidate are raised from a symbolical death to life and power by the strong grip of the Lion's Paw, or, as it has later been termed, " the Lion of the tribe of Judah."

http://www.christian-restoration.com/fmasonry/images/egypt.1.gif

The cross which the Lion holds in his other paw is the ancient Egyptian symbol of eternal life. The figure erect at the altar is doubtless that of the Grand Hierophant, with his hand raised in an attitude of command, forming a right angle, with eyes fixed upon the emblematic lion as he gives the sign of command that Osiris, or the candidate, be raised from death and darkness to light and life.

Masons are also instructed to travel toward the east in search of light, because the sun rises in the east and is the great source of light.

Star Trek rocks

The Cats Paw....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBpKU0jH5XQ&feature=related

3s again :D

cat's-paw

1. a person used by another as a tool; dupe

2. (Miscellaneous Technologies / Knots) Nautical a hitch in the form of two loops, or eyes, in the bight of a line, used for attaching it to a hook

3. (Earth Sciences / Physical Geography) a pattern of ripples on the surface of water caused by a light wind

Kirk beams down to the planet with Mr. Spock, and Dr. Leonard McCoy

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/STCatspaw.jpg
The fate of the Enterprise hangs by a thread

Walking in that direction, the landing party comes upon three apparitions that appear as witches, who warn the landing team not to proceed any further.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_b0M-W17FVYo/R1CB13SH4II/AAAAAAAACdg/6VJZFoD3h7Y/s320/chctlp.gif

http://whatisthepyramid.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/the-sphinx-500.jpg

An important form found among Freemasons is the "Lion's Paw," or grip formed by placing the fingers in the form of a cat's paw. This grip, and its attendant reference to the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, has significance in several respects, both legendary and allegorical. Its message of transition and everlasting life are a critical part of the Third Degree.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Neo-Babylonian_Empire.png
626 BC–539 BC

NGC 6334 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Three Witches - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

bush doctor

11-09-2010, 08:02 PM

THE LION'S PAW

This emblem was found in the sarcophagus of one of the great kings of Egypt, entombed in the pyramid erected to his memory. It brings to mind the representation of the king's initiation into those greater mysteries of Osiris held to be the highest aim of the wise and devout Egyptian."

The emblem may be thus explained: The form that lies dead before the altar is that of Osiris, the personified Sun God, whom the candidate represents in the drama of raising, lying dead at the winter solstice, slain by the grim Archer-November, the fatal month of the year, for the Sun. The figure of the Lion grasping the dead Sun God alludes to the constellation Leo, which prevailed 4,000 years ago, raised the Sun God to his place of power and glory on the summit of the grand royal arch of heaven at the summer solstice, and denoted then, as it does now, that the Sun and the candidate are raised from a symbolical death to life and power by the strong grip of the Lion's Paw, or, as it has later been termed, " the Lion of the tribe of Judah."

http://www.christian-restoration.com/fmasonry/images/egypt.1.gif

The cross which the Lion holds in his other paw is the ancient Egyptian symbol of eternal life. The figure erect at the altar is doubtless that of the Grand Hierophant, with his hand raised in an attitude of command, forming a right angle, with eyes fixed upon the emblematic lion as he gives the sign of command that Osiris, or the candidate, be raised from death and darkness to light and life.

Masons are also instructed to travel toward the east in search of light, because the sun rises in the east and is the great source of light.

3s again :D

cat's-paw

1. a person used by another as a tool; dupe

2. (Miscellaneous Technologies / Knots) Nautical a hitch in the form of two loops, or eyes, in the bight of a line, used for attaching it to a hook

3. (Earth Sciences / Physical Geography) a pattern of ripples on the surface of water caused by a light wind

Kirk beams down to the planet with Mr. Spock, and Dr. Leonard McCoy

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/STCatspaw.jpg
The fate of the Enterprise hangs by a thread

Walking in that direction, the landing party comes upon three apparitions that appear as witches, who warn the landing team not to proceed any further.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_b0M-W17FVYo/R1CB13SH4II/AAAAAAAACdg/6VJZFoD3h7Y/s320/chctlp.gif

http://whatisthepyramid.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/the-sphinx-500.jpg

An important form found among Freemasons is the "Lion's Paw," or grip formed by placing the fingers in the form of a cat's paw. This grip, and its attendant reference to the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, has significance in several respects, both legendary and allegorical. Its message of transition and everlasting life are a critical part of the Third Degree.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Neo-Babylonian_Empire.png
626 BC–539 BC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Paw_Nebula
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Witches

The Trinity:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_MryQii-dvu8/R5UDjGia0VI/AAAAAAAABoY/Jf2VvRbV_Qw/s400/Horus+Isis+Osirus+Crop.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61PNbef7VYL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg90/SecretSunBlog/indy-board05.jpg

lightgiver

11-09-2010, 09:05 PM

The Trinity:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_MryQii-dvu8/R5UDjGia0VI/AAAAAAAABoY/Jf2VvRbV_Qw/s400/Horus+Isis+Osirus+Crop.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61PNbef7VYL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg90/SecretSunBlog/indy-board05.jpg

http://www.indyprops.com/pp-nails.jpg

http://www.compassionheart.com/images/christ_on_the_cross_between_two_thieves,_by_pieter _pauwel_rubens_(1619_a.d.)_jpg.jpg

http://www.cambridgebuddhistcentre.com/images/cms_images/Three%20Jewels.jpg

See also (whatever tickles your fancy)

* Ahura, the Zoroastrian Trinity
* Ayyavazhi Trinity
* Binitarianism
* Christ
* Godhead
* God the Father in Western art
* Hindu Trinity
* Holy Trinity Icon
* Holy Trinity columns
* Nontrinitarianism
* Oneness Pentecostal
* Order of the Holy Trinity
* Shituf
* Social Trinity
* Subordinationist
* Trikaya
* Trinitarian Universalism
* Trinity in Islam
* Triple deity
* Tritheism
* Unitarianism

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/GoddessHaririWithBaby.jpg/338px-GoddessHaririWithBaby.jpg
Hariti holding a baby on her lap has been considered as an iconographical source for the Virgin Mary. Gandhara, 2-3rd century.

Buddhism and Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

bush doctor

11-09-2010, 09:42 PM

http://www.indyprops.com/pp-nails.jpg

http://www.compassionheart.com/images/christ_on_the_cross_between_two_thieves,_by_pieter _pauwel_rubens_(1619_a.d.)_jpg.jpg

http://www.cambridgebuddhistcentre.com/images/cms_images/Three%20Jewels.jpg

See also (whatever tickles your fancy)

* Ahura, the Zoroastrian Trinity
* Ayyavazhi Trinity
* Binitarianism
* Christ
* Godhead
* God the Father in Western art
* Hindu Trinity
* Holy Trinity Icon
* Holy Trinity columns
* Nontrinitarianism
* Oneness Pentecostal
* Order of the Holy Trinity
* Shituf
* Social Trinity
* Subordinationist
* Trikaya
* Trinitarian Universalism
* Trinity in Islam
* Triple deity
* Tritheism
* Unitarianism

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/GoddessHaririWithBaby.jpg/338px-GoddessHaririWithBaby.jpg
Hariti holding a baby on her lap has been considered as an iconographical source for the Virgin Mary. Gandhara, 2-3rd century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Christianity

It would be rude to leave this one out.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5508/feathersbadgesvg.png

lightgiver

11-09-2010, 09:50 PM

It would be rude to leave this one out.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5508/feathersbadgesvg.png

Just my 2 pence worth :D

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XkyaXZ1rRaU/RXRE0SQMclI/AAAAAAAAABM/DLXDihPMo74/s400/2p+piece.jpg

http://www.gothicfantasy.com/shields/FleurDeLis.jpg
The Fleur-de-lis, symbol of the Babylonian trinity of Nimrod, Queen Semiramis and Tammuz, among other things.

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/1995/ancientfleurdeliscopy.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/ancientfleurdeliscopy.jpg/)

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/biggestsecret03.htm

bush doctor

11-09-2010, 10:22 PM

Just my 2 pence worth :D

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XkyaXZ1rRaU/RXRE0SQMclI/AAAAAAAAABM/DLXDihPMo74/s400/2p+piece.jpg

http://www.gothicfantasy.com/shields/FleurDeLis.jpg
The Fleur-de-lis, symbol of the Babylonian trinity of Nimrod, Queen Semiramis and Tammuz, among other things.

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/1995/ancientfleurdeliscopy.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/ancientfleurdeliscopy.jpg/)

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/biggestsecret03.htm

Absorbing link there dude:eek:

lightgiver

11-09-2010, 11:20 PM

Absorbing link there dude:eek:

The history of human evolution has passed down to us transfigured by the progressive accretion of myths, so that the name cyclopes was handed down to various owners until it meant merely giants who built vast walls. Hesiod's original three were the last three subraces of the Lemurians, the one eye was the wisdom eye, the other eyes not being fully developed as physical organs until the beginning of the fourth root-race.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Polyphemus.gif

Lord Siva/Shiva is the third god of Hindu trinity.

He is prone to fits of anger and sometimes hurts those who annoy Him. He spends most of his time in deep meditation. He possesses the third eye, the eye of wisdom.

http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/images/shiva_1.jpg

Shiva us also known as “Gangadhar”, Gangadhar literally means the carrier of Ganga (River Ganges). Shiva is said to carry the Ganges in his locks. Shiva is sometimes shown with his trident (“trishool”) in his hand. The “trishool” is a three pronged weapon which symbolizes the destruction of the ego with its three-fold desires of the body, mind and intellect. Shiva with his weapon indicated his victory over his ego and attainment of the state of perfection.

http://a2.pbase.com/g3/82/265582/3/95784271.3vrB27v4.jpg

Third eye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.experiencefestival.com/cyclops_-_polyphemus
http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/hindu_trinity.php

rapunzel

12-09-2010, 05:05 PM

lightgiver

12-09-2010, 06:53 PM

http://www.wwyd.org/images/isis%20with%20horus.jpg

There was no Babylonian Trinity of Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz. That's just nonsense lifted from the likes of Hislop. For goodness sake check some primary sources instead of copying what other people have said.

Hey up LOL

show us then :D

A professor is a type of senior teacher; the precise meaning of the word varies by country. Literally, professor is Latin for a "person who professes to be an expert in some art or science, teacher of high rank.

amongst other things,

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/images/biggestsecretbook13.jpg

The classic depiction of the Devil also has Draco-like horns. Nimrod was given the title Baal (the Lord) and Semiramis was Baalti (My Lady). The Latin term for my lady is Mea Domina which in its corrupted Italian form became Madonna.8 Nimrod was represented in a dual role of God the Father and Ninus, the son of Semiramis, and her olive branch was symbolic of this offspring produced through a ‘virgin birth’. Ninus was also known as Tammuz who was said to have been crucified with a lamb at his feet and placed in a cave.

When a rock was rolled away from the cave’s entrance three days later, his body had disappeared. Heard that somewhere before? This husband-wife-son theme of Nimrod-Semiramis-and Ninus/Tammuz became the Osiris-Isis-Horus mythology of the Egyptians with its equivalent in India, Asia, China and elsewhere. Much later it would be Joseph, Mary and Jesus. When the Babylonians held their Spring rites to mark the death and resurrection after three days of Tammuz-Ninus, they offered buns inscribed with a solar cross. Yes, even the hot cross buns of British Easter tradition come from Babylon.

Easter comes from another face of Queen Semiramis - Ishtar -and it is from this, and possibly another Brotherhood deity, Ashtaroth, that we get the name of ‘Ashtar’ as in ‘Ashtar Command ’, a completely manipulated New Age belief in an extraterrestrial ‘hero’ who has come to save us. The Babylonian myths and symbolism provided the foundations for all the major religions, especially Christianity. The Roman Church was the creation of the Babylonian Brotherhood and the Pope still wears a mitre shaped like a fish head to symbolize Nimrod. This is also the significance of his Fisherman’s Ring.

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/09sep/aquarius4.jpg
http://xd0.xanga.com/062c746238d32185281596/z142091056.jpg
Cybele, the mystery goddess of Asia Minor as well as Syria illustrates rather plainly the Episcopal mitre upon her head.

The Chair of St Peter in the Vatican was claimed to be a holy relic, but in 1968 it was exposed by a scientific commission as being no older than the 9th century More significantly, according to the Catholic Encyclopaedia, is that it is decorated by twelve plates portraying the twelve labours of Hercules. This same work claims that Hercules was another name for Nimrod before becoming a deity of the Greeks.9 In 1825, Pope Leo XII authorized the production of a jubilee medal and it depicted a woman in a pose that was blatant symbolism of Queen Semiramis.

She had a crucifix in her left hand, a cup in her right and on her head was a seven rayed crown like the one on the Statue of Liberty, another depiction of Semiramis which was given to New York by French Freemasons. A contact who has relatives working in high positions in the Vatican told me how, during the reign of Pope John Paul II, he was given a guided tour of the place which blew his mind. He was shown the Pope’s solid gold bath which is decorated with all the astrological symbols and he saw inside the vacuum-sealed vaults which contain thousands of ancient esoteric books which have been stolen and hoarded over hundreds of years of religious dictatorship and so taken out of public circulation. The Roman Church and the Babylonian Brotherhood are one and the same.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/biggestsecret03.htm

Old English Ēostre (also Ēastre) and Old High German Ôstarâ are the names of a putative Germanic goddess whose Anglo-Saxon month, Ēostur-monath, has given its name to the festival of Easter. Eostre is attested only by Bede, in his 8th century work De temporum ratione, where he states that Ēostur-monath was the equivalent to the month of April, and that feasts held in her honour during Ēostur-monath had died out by the time of his writing, replaced by the "Paschal month". The possibility of a Common Germanic goddess called *Austrōn- was examined in detail in 19th century Germanic philology, by Jacob Grimm and others, without coming to a definite conclusion.

Linguists have identified the goddess as a Germanic form of the recontructed Proto-Indo-European goddess of the dawn, *Hausos, some scholars have debated whether or not Eostra is an invention of Bede's, and theories connecting Eostre with records of Germanic Easter customs (including hares and eggs) have been proposed.

Hot-Cross Buns :D not good if you suffer from heart burn

According to some Neo-Pagan sources, these were originally offerings to Eostre, with the cross representing either the four quarters of the year or the four quarters of the moon.

Ä’ostre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

loveisthelaw

12-09-2010, 07:04 PM

Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani,

any thoughts on this one :)

Obviously Lama is a well known word,

Lama (Tibetan: བླ་མ་; Wylie: bla-ma; "chief" or "high priest" is a title for a Tibetan teacher of the Dharma. The name is similar to the Sanskrit term guru.:)

Using the literal story:

It may have been said because the evening before, Jesus prayed to God and asked that the cup be passed from him if it was Gods will. We do not know the reply, perhaps it was agreed to pass it, perhaps not.

Upon the cross, it seemed Jesus was actually going to die there, and he cried out asking why his cup was not passed.

God teaches patience, if you are patient to the last second, the good will come. Sadly, most people are not patient and being that Jesus was just a human, like you and I, he too can be impatient, especially when in the face of death.

bush doctor

12-09-2010, 07:22 PM

lightgiver

12-09-2010, 07:42 PM

It may have been said because the evening before, Jesus prayed to God and asked that the cup be passed from him if it was Gods will. We do not know the reply, perhaps it was agreed to pass it, perhaps not.

Upon the cross, it seemed Jesus was actually going to die there, and he cried out asking why his cup was not passed.

God teaches patience, if you are patient to the last second, the good will come. Sadly, most people are not patient and being that Jesus was just a human, like you and I, he too can be impatient, especially when in the face of death.

Where is your evidence ?

did you read it out of a book?

I think most people are aware Jesus or whatever was human that's if the facts that we are being fed are correct,

1 Don’t believe anything that has been told from mouth to mouth.

2. Don’t believe anything that seems to become a sort of tradition.

3. Don’t believe any rumour that circulates around.

4. Don’t believe it just because it is in a scripture.

5. Don’t believe it just because it sounds logical.

6. Don’t believe it out of inference (because someone has reached a conclusion).

7. Don’t believe it by way of reasoning.

8. Don’t believe it by thinking that it agrees with a well-accepted theory.

9. Don’t believe it under an impression that it appears most likely a possibility.

10. Don’t believe it under a notion that ”our teacher has told us so”.

Make a proper investigation first.:)

loveisthelaw

12-09-2010, 07:46 PM

Where is your evidence ?

did you read it out of a book?

I think most people are aware Jesus or whatever was human that's if the facts that we are being fed are correct,

Make a proper investigation first.:)

My evidence for what? It is written in the Bible that he prayed prior to the "crucifiction"; it also states that he cried out with your quote; it also details in the same book that after the act of the fictional death, he was in fact still alive.

As such, logic provided the answer that I gave, so I am doing, how about you? :)

lightgiver

12-09-2010, 07:50 PM

My evidence for what? It is written in the Bible that he prayed prior to the "crucifiction"; it also states that he cried out with your quote; it also details in the same book that after the act of the fictional death, he was in fact still alive.

As such, logic provided the answer that I gave, so I am doing, how about you? :)

come off it

who wrote the bible?

I have plenty Patience too

loveisthelaw

12-09-2010, 07:54 PM

come off it

who wrote the bible?

I have plenty Patience too

No 'person' wrote the Bible, numerous 'people' wrote texts which were brought together in to one book because they were supposedly talking about the same stuff.

That does not defeat from the point; if Jesus said what you quoted; then using the writing of the book, it does not show Jesus died for our sins, it shows Jesus survived and the prayer was answered.

lightgiver

12-09-2010, 07:56 PM

No 'person' wrote the Bible, numerous 'people' wrote texts which were brought together in to one book because they were supposedly talking about the same stuff.

and left a lot of stuff out also :)

just left the parts in that suits them.

so who are all these numerous people?

loveisthelaw

12-09-2010, 08:00 PM

and left a lot of stuff out also :)

just left the parts in that suits them.

so who are all these numerous people?

No idea, neither do the Scholars of Christendom. That is why for instance, Matthew Mark Luke and John are entitled "According to".

The old testament is equally dubious in it's authorship, primarily due to the fact that Moses is the one who is said to have authored them; yet we find that Moses talks about his own death and continues writing after that fact,

As such it is one of those mysteries made real by time.

bush doctor

12-09-2010, 08:25 PM

http://www.wwyd.org/images/isis%20with%20horus.jpg

Hey up LOL

show us then :D

A professor is a type of senior teacher; the precise meaning of the word varies by country. Literally, professor is Latin for a "person who professes to be an expert in some art or science, teacher of high rank.

amongst other things,

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/images/biggestsecretbook13.jpg

The classic depiction of the Devil also has Draco-like horns. Nimrod was given the title Baal (the Lord) and Semiramis was Baalti (My Lady). The Latin term for my lady is Mea Domina which in its corrupted Italian form became Madonna.8 Nimrod was represented in a dual role of God the Father and Ninus, the son of Semiramis, and her olive branch was symbolic of this offspring produced through a ‘virgin birth’. Ninus was also known as Tammuz who was said to have been crucified with a lamb at his feet and placed in a cave.

When a rock was rolled away from the cave’s entrance three days later, his body had disappeared. Heard that somewhere before? This husband-wife-son theme of Nimrod-Semiramis-and Ninus/Tammuz became the Osiris-Isis-Horus mythology of the Egyptians with its equivalent in India, Asia, China and elsewhere. Much later it would be Joseph, Mary and Jesus. When the Babylonians held their Spring rites to mark the death and resurrection after three days of Tammuz-Ninus, they offered buns inscribed with a solar cross. Yes, even the hot cross buns of British Easter tradition come from Babylon.

Easter comes from another face of Queen Semiramis - Ishtar -and it is from this, and possibly another Brotherhood deity, Ashtaroth, that we get the name of ‘Ashtar’ as in ‘Ashtar Command ’, a completely manipulated New Age belief in an extraterrestrial ‘hero’ who has come to save us. The Babylonian myths and symbolism provided the foundations for all the major religions, especially Christianity. The Roman Church was the creation of the Babylonian Brotherhood and the Pope still wears a mitre shaped like a fish head to symbolize Nimrod. This is also the significance of his Fisherman’s Ring.

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/09sep/aquarius4.jpg
http://xd0.xanga.com/062c746238d32185281596/z142091056.jpg
Cybele, the mystery goddess of Asia Minor as well as Syria illustrates rather plainly the Episcopal mitre upon her head.

The Chair of St Peter in the Vatican was claimed to be a holy relic, but in 1968 it was exposed by a scientific commission as being no older than the 9th century More significantly, according to the Catholic Encyclopaedia, is that it is decorated by twelve plates portraying the twelve labours of Hercules. This same work claims that Hercules was another name for Nimrod before becoming a deity of the Greeks.9 In 1825, Pope Leo XII authorized the production of a jubilee medal and it depicted a woman in a pose that was blatant symbolism of Queen Semiramis.

She had a crucifix in her left hand, a cup in her right and on her head was a seven rayed crown like the one on the Statue of Liberty, another depiction of Semiramis which was given to New York by French Freemasons. A contact who has relatives working in high positions in the Vatican told me how, during the reign of Pope John Paul II, he was given a guided tour of the place which blew his mind. He was shown the Pope’s solid gold bath which is decorated with all the astrological symbols and he saw inside the vacuum-sealed vaults which contain thousands of ancient esoteric books which have been stolen and hoarded over hundreds of years of religious dictatorship and so taken out of public circulation. The Roman Church and the Babylonian Brotherhood are one and the same.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/biggestsecret03.htm

Old English Ēostre (also Ēastre) and Old High German Ôstarâ are the names of a putative Germanic goddess whose Anglo-Saxon month, Ēostur-monath, has given its name to the festival of Easter. Eostre is attested only by Bede, in his 8th century work De temporum ratione, where he states that Ēostur-monath was the equivalent to the month of April, and that feasts held in her honour during Ēostur-monath had died out by the time of his writing, replaced by the "Paschal month". The possibility of a Common Germanic goddess called *Austrōn- was examined in detail in 19th century Germanic philology, by Jacob Grimm and others, without coming to a definite conclusion.

Linguists have identified the goddess as a Germanic form of the recontructed Proto-Indo-European goddess of the dawn, *Hausos, some scholars have debated whether or not Eostra is an invention of Bede's, and theories connecting Eostre with records of Germanic Easter customs (including hares and eggs) have been proposed.

Hot-Cross Buns :D not good if you suffer from heart burn

According to some Neo-Pagan sources, these were originally offerings to Eostre, with the cross representing either the four quarters of the year or the four quarters of the moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%92ostre

BUMP:rolleyes: the silence is deafening.

rapunzel

13-09-2010, 02:46 PM

http://www.wwyd.org/images/isis%20with%20horus.jpg

Hey up LOL

show us then :D

A professor is a type of senior teacher; the precise meaning of the word varies by country. Literally, professor is Latin for a "person who professes to be an expert in some art or science, teacher of high rank.

amongst other things,

Such silliness! :eek: Your request “show us then” is nonsensical. You seem to have a strange aversion to facts, I wonder why? A quick perusal of any decent historian will show you that these stories of an ancient Semiramis were started by the Greeks, possibly based on a real 5th century Assyrian queen, Sammuramat. You won’t find this fictional Semiramis person mentioned in any Babylonian or Sumerian texts. Alexander Hislop in his diatribe against the Catholic Church spread the ridiculous story of the Babylonian “trinity” of Semiramis, Nimrod and Tammuz and authors like Icke simply repeat them parrot fashion without checking if they are correct. Simple really.

The classic depiction of the Devil also has Draco-like horns. Nimrod was given the title Baal (the Lord) and Semiramis was Baalti (My Lady). The Latin term for my lady is Mea Domina which in its corrupted Italian form became Madonna.8 Nimrod was represented in a dual role of God the Father and Ninus, the son of Semiramis, and her olive branch was symbolic of this offspring produced through a ‘virgin birth’. Ninus was also known as Tammuz who was said to have been crucified with a lamb at his feet and placed in a cave.

When a rock was rolled away from the cave’s entrance three days later, his body had disappeared. Heard that somewhere before? This husband-wife-son theme of Nimrod-Semiramis-and Ninus/Tammuz became the Osiris-Isis-Horus mythology of the Egyptians with its equivalent in India, Asia, China and elsewhere. Much later it would be Joseph, Mary and Jesus. When the Babylonians held their Spring rites to mark the death and resurrection after three days of Tammuz-Ninus, they offered buns inscribed with a solar cross. Yes, even the hot cross buns of British Easter tradition come from Babylon.[QUOTE]

Again most of this is nonsense. Tammmuz/Dumuzi was the lover/husband of Inanna and was sent by her to the Underworld for 6 months of the year. He was never crucified and his only connection with lambs was that he was originally a shepherd. In fact it was Inanna who died, hung upon a hook by her sister Ereshkigal and she subsequently came back to life. Here’s a real description of the Babylonian New Year Festival, which lasted for 12 days, and not one mention of hot cross buns or Semiramis!

http://www.gatewaystobabylon.com/religion/akitu.htm

[QUOTE]Easter comes from another face of Queen Semiramis - Ishtar -and it is from this, and possibly another Brotherhood deity, Ashtaroth, that we get the name of ‘Ashtar’ as in ‘Ashtar Command ’, a completely manipulated New Age belief in an extraterrestrial ‘hero’ who has come to save us. The Babylonian myths and symbolism provided the foundations for all the major religions, especially Christianity. The Roman Church was the creation of the Babylonian Brotherhood and the Pope still wears a mitre shaped like a fish head to symbolize Nimrod. This is also the significance of his Fisherman’s Ring.

Show us some historical evidence for the “Babylonian Brotherhood” Easter has nothing to so with Ishtar and why do people think there were Dagon worshippers around at the time the style of the Pope’s hat was designed?

……………………….. 1825, Pope Leo XII authorized the production of a jubilee medal and it depicted a woman in a pose that was blatant symbolism of Queen Semiramis.

……….. She had a crucifix in her left hand, a cup in her right and on her head was a seven rayed crown like the one on the Statue of Liberty, another depiction of Semiramis which was given to New York by French Freemasons

Now how would anyone know that since there are no statues or depictions of anyone called Semiramis? People who believe such guff are very gullible, no?:rolleyes:

Old English Ēostre (also Ēastre) and Old High German Ôstarâ are the names of a putative Germanic goddess whose Anglo-Saxon month, Ēostur-monath, has given its name to the festival of Easter. Eostre is attested only by Bede, in his 8th century work De temporum ratione, where he states that Ēostur-monath was the equivalent to the month of April, and that feasts held in her honour during Ēostur-monath had died out by the time of his writing, replaced by the "Paschal month". The possibility of a Common Germanic goddess called *Austrōn- was examined in detail in 19th century Germanic philology, by Jacob Grimm and others, without coming to a definite conclusion.

Linguists have identified the goddess as a Germanic form of the recontructed Proto-Indo-European goddess of the dawn, *Hausos, some scholars have debated whether or not Eostra is an invention of Bede's, and theories connecting Eostre with records of Germanic Easter customs (including hares and eggs) have been proposed.

This info at least is correct since no Germanic goddess of spring has ever been identified and the suspicion is that Bede misidentified the meaning of Eostur monat. Again no mention of Ishtar here.

According to some Neo-Pagan sources, these were originally offerings to Eostre, with the cross representing either the four quarters of the year or the four quarters of the moon.

As a Pagan myself I can say that some Pagans sometimes talk crap!

loveisthelaw

13-09-2010, 07:30 PM

You have still not given proof that you are correct, the only thing you bring is condescension.

I never said I was correct :)

Can you prove your love for that one or this one?

You must learn to close your eyes to see, and reject this "proof" that you seek as a tool used only by the blind.

What have eyes to do with truth, they see only falsehood; your eyes deal in illusions, they do not deal in reality.

lightgiver

13-09-2010, 07:34 PM

You have still not given proof that you are correct, the only thing you bring is condescension.:D

so where do get your official facts from then?

http://www.gatewaystobabylon.com/religion/akitu.htm

who wrote this link you provided ?

You won’t find this fictional Semiramis person mentioned in any Babylonian or Sumerian texts. Alexander Hislop in his diatribe against the Catholic Church spread the ridiculous story of the Babylonian “trinity” of Semiramis, Nimrod and Tammuz and authors like Icke simply repeat them parrot fashion without checking if they are correct. Simple really.

His wife was Ningal ("Great Lady"), who bore him Utu/Shamash ("Sun") and Inanna/Ishtar (the planet Venus). The tendency to centralize the powers of the universe leads to the establishment of the doctrine of a triad consisting of Sin/Nanna and his children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_(mythology)

The interest of Mesopotamian culture in its own past was, in fact, omnipresent: Babylonian and Mesopotamian kings legitimated themselves not only through the fact that they came from ancient ruling families, but emphasized that they came "from the eternal seed," from "the precious seed dating from the time before the flood,"from "families of primeval times. According to myths as well, the gods created "the king" directly following the creation of humans so that he could guide humans correctly.The duty of a king consisted of protecting the world as it has been ordered by the gods during creation and of restoring it to that condition. Thus in Mesopotamia, reforms were fundamentally understood as the re-establishment of an original order which had, in the course of time, become brittle or fragile. The ideal image of society and the state, the utopia of Mesopotamians, was always located in primeval history, rather than in the future.

Even the inscriptions of Babylonian and Assyrian kings in the last pre-Christian millennium were written in an artificial language, one which was itself based on the ancient Akkadian language of the beginning of the second millennium BC and which in the first millennium BC was understood as classical. The official inscriptions of the neo- Babylon ian kings of the 6th century BC were, in addition to this, often written in ancient cuneiform figures which had been used in everyday life more than 1500 years earlier. Scribes of the first millennium BC compiled -- like modern Assyriologists -- paleographic character-lists, and completed facsimiles of clay tablets, which were so well done that occasionally modern Assyriologists have been fooled about the true age of these documents. Assurbanipal, the highly learned neo-Assyrian king, boasted that he was capable of deciphering inscriptions "from before the Flood." Sumerian, which is probably the oldest language of the Mesopotamian cultures and is not related to any known language, was viewed around the birth of Christ -- 2000 years after it had ceased to exist as a spoken language -- as a sacred language in which one spoke to the Gods. in the final pre-Christian centuries, Sumerian texts which had already been written in the 3rd Millennium BC were still essential elements of polytheistic cults

was viewed around the birth of Christ -- 2000 years after it had ceased to exist as a spoken language -- as a sacred language in which one spoke to the Gods.

http://www.gatewaystobabylon.com/religion/ancientcapitals.htm

I never said I was correct :)

Can you prove your love for that one or this one?

You must learn to close your eyes to see, and reject this "proof" that you seek as a tool used only by the blind.

What have eyes to do with truth, they see only falsehood; your eyes deal in illusions, they do not deal in reality.

All you need is love :D

This info is for others also

"Abiding in the midst of ignorance, thinking themselves wise and learned, fools go aimlessly hither and thither, like blind led by the blind."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_blind_leading_the_blind

loveisthelaw

13-09-2010, 07:45 PM

"Abiding in the midst of ignorance, thinking themselves wise and learned, fools go aimlessly hither and thither, like blind led by the blind."

Wise words indeed.

lightgiver

13-09-2010, 08:37 PM

Wise words indeed.

Yama said: The good is one thing and the pleasant another. These two, having different ends, bind a man. It is well with him who chooses the good. He who chooses the pleasant misses the true end.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/Om.svg/356px-Om.svg.png

The Katha Upanishad has:

"The goal, which all Vedas declare, which all austerities aim at, and which humans desire when they live a life of conscience, I will tell you briefly it is aum"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/TibAum.png

उत्तिष्ठत जाग्रत
प्राप्य वरान्निबोधत ।
क्षुरस्य धारा निशिता दुरत्यया
दुर्गं पथस्तत्कवयो वदन्ति ॥ कठ उपनिषद् - 1.3.14

http://www.yoga-age.com/upanishads/katha.html

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/98/RazorsEdgeNew.jpg/395px-RazorsEdgeNew.jpg

Mary Caine's Glastonbury Zodiac

Mary Caine's Glastonbury Zodiac - YouTube

rapunzel

15-09-2010, 04:20 PM

You have still not given proof that you are correct, the only thing you bring is condescension.:D

No, what I bring is facts which you seem to dislike if they contradict your own ideas. I cannot prove a negative, which you know very well but you can easily look up criticisms of Hislop’s book which show his historical inaccuracies. There are also criticisms of other books based on Hislop’s ideas which you can peruse. If you believe there was a woman called Semiramis who married Nimrod and had a son Tammuz then it is up to you to support your theory by showing evidence of this in Babylonian or Sumerian texts.

so where do get your official facts from then?

http://www.gatewaystobabylon.com/religion/akitu.htm

who wrote this link you provided ?

Usually from people who have some experience in the field of which I’m talking about. People who can refer back to primary sources which so many here seem to despise since the primary sources often slaughter their own theories.

If you’d read the link which I posted fully you would have seen at the end:

“This article is heavily based on the classic on Kingship and Religion in the Near East, and the full reference is:

• Frankfort, Henri (1978) Kingship and the Gods: a study of Ancient Near Eastern Religion as the Integration of Society and Nature (with a preface by Samuel Noah Kramer). The University of Chicago Press, Chicago, London.
• Wolkstein, Diane and Kramer, Samuel Noah (1983) Inanna, Queen of Heaven and Earth: her stories and hymns from Sumer. Harper & Row, New York. “

I’ve read the first and have a copy of the second so I can confirm that the author of the article knows what they are talking about.

His wife was Ningal ("Great Lady"), who bore him Utu/Shamash ("Sun") and Inanna/Ishtar (the planet Venus). The tendency to centralize the powers of the universe leads to the establishment of the doctrine of a triad consisting of Sin/Nanna and his children.

A Triad is not a Trinity. A Triad is a grouping of three persons; a Trinity is three persons in one. Totally different but you know that.

The interest of Mesopotamian culture in its own past was, in fact, omnipresent: Babylonian and Mesopotamian kings legitimated themselves not only through the fact that they came from ancient ruling families, but emphasized that they came "from the eternal seed," from "the precious seed dating from the time before the flood,"from "families of primeval times. According to myths as well, the gods created "the king" directly following the creation of humans so that he could guide humans correctly.The duty of a king consisted of protecting the world as it has been ordered by the gods during creation and of restoring it to that condition. Thus in Mesopotamia, reforms were fundamentally understood as the re-establishment of an original order which had, in the course of time, become brittle or fragile. The ideal image of society and the state, the utopia of Mesopotamians, was always located in primeval history, rather than in the future.

Even the inscriptions of Babylonian and Assyrian kings in the last pre-Christian millennium were written in an artificial language, one which was itself based on the ancient Akkadian language of the beginning of the second millennium BC and which in the first millennium BC was understood as classical. The official inscriptions of the neo- Babylon ian kings of the 6th century BC were, in addition to this, often written in ancient cuneiform figures which had been used in everyday life more than 1500 years earlier. Scribes of the first millennium BC compiled -- like modern Assyriologists -- paleographic character-lists, and completed facsimiles of clay tablets, which were so well done that occasionally modern Assyriologists have been fooled about the true age of these documents. Assurbanipal, the highly learned neo-Assyrian king, boasted that he was capable of deciphering inscriptions "from before the Flood." Sumerian, which is probably the oldest language of the Mesopotamian cultures and is not related to any known language, was viewed around the birth of Christ -- 2000 years after it had ceased to exist as a spoken language -- as a sacred language in which one spoke to the Gods. in the final pre-Christian centuries, Sumerian texts which had already been written in the 3rd Millennium BC were still essential elements of polytheistic cults

was viewed around the birth of Christ -- 2000 years after it had ceased to exist as a spoken language -- as a sacred language in which one spoke to the Gods.

http://www.gatewaystobabylon.com/rel...ntcapitals.htm

I don’t see the relevance of this to what we were discussing other than it came from the same place as my link. Is there a specific reason for posting it?

This info is for others also

"Abiding in the midst of ignorance, thinking themselves wise and learned, fools go aimlessly hither and thither, like blind led by the blind."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_bli...ding_the_blind

Very fancy. Have you considered it might also apply to those who support so called “ alternative history” and their followers who blindly believe every word they say without asking for proof or sources? Which are the ignorant ones; those who try to learn for themselves or those who follow others without question?

lightgiver

15-09-2010, 05:45 PM

Isn't the sentence spoken in Aramaic and not Hebrew?

"Shabachtani[8] שׁבקתני appears to be a word of Aramaic origin. It means to leave, leave alone, entrust, bequeath, divorce, permit, forgive, abandon and forsake. It is used a total of five times in the Old Testament, all of which are found in the Aramaic portions of Daniel and Ezra. However, given that there was a limited amount of Aramaic influence exerted on the Hebrew language after the return from the Babylonian captivity, we later see the root shabak[9] שׁבק attested in Jewish writings such as the Jerusalem Talmud, which is where the Mishna is found.

Of the seven occurrences of shabak in the Mishnah, four are clearly couched in Hebrew prose. A passage from the Jerusalem Talmud (31:5:1), is an especially good example of the words surrounding shabak. The text contains certain grammatical structures and vocabulary which occur only in Hebrew and not Aramaic. A few examples are the use of the letter ה he found at the beginning of words which means the (Aramaic has א – aleph at the end of words). Also the word שׁ Shay, that, (used only Hebrew) versus די di[10] (used only in Aramaic). Thus the word shabak, which Jesus spoke on the cross, we find situated in the midst of Mishnaic Hebrew words and grammar, and therefore, we can safely conclude that while this was originally a loan word from Aramaic, by Jesus’ day, it had become common place in the Hebrew language. We should actually expect there to be some loan words in the language. "

Source: http://www.ccsom.org/languageofjesus/EloiLamaShabachtani.htm

I have heard Christians explain this phrase thus:

Because Jesus was carrying mankind's sin on the cross God, who cannot tolerate sin, turned his face away from him. The man Jesus did not understand why he seemed to have been abandoned which is why he is recorded as saying "Eli, Eli........."

I'm not a Christian myself but this seems to me to be a reasonable explanation.

I wonder who wrote all these words :rolleyes:

To whoever it suits.

You are just repeating officialdom history sources Rapunzel

you still give no proof that you are correct :)

A Triad is not a Trinity. A Triad is a grouping of three persons; a Trinity is three persons in one. Totally different but you know that.

In ancient Egypt there were many triads, the most famous among them that of Osiris (man), Isis (wife), and Horus (son), local triads like the Theban triad of Amun, Mut and Khonsu and the Memphite triad of Ptah, Sekhmet and Nefertem, the sungod Ra, whose form in the morning was Kheper, at noon Re-Horakhty and in the evening Atum, and many others.

The triad of Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat in the time of Mohammed (surah 53:19-22)

Allah was worshipped in pre-Islamic Arabia and Nabataea with a family of deities around him among which was a triad of goddesses called "the three daughters of Allah": al-Lat ("the Goddess") Al-Uzza ("Power") the youngest, and Manat ("Fate") "the third, the other". They were known collectively as the three cranes. The name al-Lat is known from the time of the histories of Herodotus in which she is named Alilat.These goddesses are said to have figured in an early version of the Qur'an - the apocryphal Satanic Verses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triad_(underground_society)

See also

* Trio
* 3 (number)
* Triadic
* Triplet
* Triple
* 3
* Third
* Triumvirate
* Troika
* Trinity

Triad (relationship), relationship between three people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_(number)

A triple deity (sometimes referred to as threefold, tripled, triplicate, tripartite, triune or triadic) is a deity associated with the number three. Such deities are common throughout world mythology; the number three has a long history of mythical associations. C. G. Jung considered the arrangement of deities into triplets an archetype in the history of religion

triadic ("forming a group of three"): a triad, three entities inter-related in some way (life, death, rebirth, for example, or triplet children of a deity) and always or usually associated with one another or appearing together;

Late Antiquity

* The Trinity in Christianity
* The One, the Thought (or Intellect) and the Soul in Neoplatonism

Triple goddesses

In the myth and religion of Indo-European cultures, the term triple goddess has been used to refer both to goddess triads and to a single feminine deity described as triple in form or aspect.

Triple deity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Trimurti (English: ‘three forms’; Sanskrit: त्रिमूर्ति trimūrti) is a concept in Hinduism "in which the cosmic functions of creation, maintenance, and destruction are personified by the forms of Brahmā the creator, Vishnu the maintainer or preserver, and Śhiva the destroyer or transformer," These three deities have been called "the Hindu triad" or the "Great Trinity,", often addressed as "Brahma-Vishnu-Mahesh.

Usually from people who have some experience in the field of which I’m talking about. People who can refer back to primary sources which so many here seem to despise since the primary sources often slaughter their own theories.

You have slaughtered no ones theories.LOL

you have just repeated someone else s words and links

I don’t see the relevance of this to what we were discussing other than it came from the same place as my link. Is there a specific reason for posting it?

I do not see you discussing anything.

You have still not proven what Eli Eli lama sabachtani means only from someones else s theories

It appears to me you are defending and repeating officialdom's sources.I would say you are in the middle.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5FBxM_HFHp4/SCOQevqrX9I/AAAAAAAAA8M/ZTR4np0429E/S501/314430_pm.jpg

Triad, Trinity, or the 3 in 1 more Perfect Slave:....................http://antinewworldorder.blogspot.com/2009/05/triad-trinity-or-3-in-1.html

rapunzel

15-09-2010, 07:36 PM

I wonder who wrote all these words :rolleyes:

To whoever it suits.

You are just repeating officialdom history sources Rapunzel

you still give no proof that you are correct :)

The person who wrote the link I gave is a specialist in Hebrew language. I prefer to take his word for it rather than yours as I assume you speak no Hebrew? You’re very found of denigrating other people’s scholarship, I wonder why? Perhaps you have a chip on your shoulder.

I’ve seen people on this Forum say that “facts” are not necessary, if you feel something is correct then it is. Can you see the error in that way of thinking? Maybe not.

As for “official” sources you use them yourself when it suits I’ve noticed.
Where is your proof that anything you say is correct?

In ancient Egypt there were many triads, the most famous among them that of Osiris (man), Isis (wife), and Horus (son), local triads like the Theban triad of Amun, Mut and Khonsu and the Memphite triad of Ptah, Sekhmet and Nefertem, the sungod Ra, whose form in the morning was Kheper, at noon Re-Horakhty and in the evening Atum, and many others.

The triad of Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat in the time of Mohammed (surah 53:19-22)

Allah was worshipped in pre-Islamic Arabia and Nabataea with a family of deities around him among which was a triad of goddesses called "the three daughters of Allah": al-Lat ("the Goddess") Al-Uzza ("Power") the youngest, and Manat ("Fate") "the third, the other". They were known collectively as the three cranes. The name al-Lat is known from the time of the histories of Herodotus in which she is named Alilat.These goddesses are said to have figured in an early version of the Qur'an - the apocryphal Satanic Verses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triad_(underground_society)

See also

* Trio
* 3 (number)
* Triadic
* Triplet
* Triple
* 3
* Third
* Triumvirate
* Troika
* Trinity

Triad (relationship), relationship between three people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_(number)

A triple deity (sometimes referred to as threefold, tripled, triplicate, tripartite, triune or triadic) is a deity associated with the number three. Such deities are common throughout world mythology; the number three has a long history of mythical associations. C. G. Jung considered the arrangement of deities into triplets an archetype in the history of religion

triadic ("forming a group of three"): a triad, three entities inter-related in some way (life, death, rebirth, for example, or triplet children of a deity) and always or usually associated with one another or appearing together;

Late Antiquity

* The Trinity in Christianity
* The One, the Thought (or Intellect) and the Soul in Neoplatonism

Triple goddesses

In the myth and religion of Indo-European cultures, the term triple goddess has been used to refer both to goddess triads and to a single feminine deity described as triple in form or aspect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_deity

The Trimurti (English: ‘three forms’; Sanskrit: त्रिमूर्ति trimūrti) is a concept in Hinduism "in which the cosmic functions of creation, maintenance, and destruction are personified by the forms of Brahmā the creator, Vishnu the maintainer or preserver, and Śhiva the destroyer or transformer," These three deities have been called "the Hindu triad" or the "Great Trinity,", often addressed as "Brahma-Vishnu-Mahesh.

Why all this guff? I merely stated that Semiramis etc was not part of a Trinity. Oh and I see you are using “official sources” for your points.

You have slaughtered no ones theories.LOL

you have just repeated someone else s words and links

I haven’t claimed to slaughter any one’s theories, silly and I wasn’t referring to myself.

I do not see you discussing anything.

You obviously don’t read my other posts then. Come to think of it you don’t discuss much just continually post links usually from wikipedia on all subjects under the sun.

You have still not proven what Eli Eli lama sabachtani means only from someones else s theories

It appears to me you are defending and repeating officialdom's sources.I would say you are in the middle.

I’ve repeated what a language expert thinks. If that’s not good enough for you, tough tittie. Prefer your own fantasies if it makes you happy.

I’ve no idea why your commenting on this post so long after I posted it.

Triad, Trinity, or the 3 in 1 more Perfect Slave:....................http://antinewworldorder.blogspot.co...or-3-in-1.html

“On all the ancient mythologies there were triads, which consisted of a mysterious union of three deities. Each triad was generally explained as consisting of a creator, preserver, and a destroyer”

Another gem from someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.[Albert Mackey isn’t it?)Nothing mysterious about Osiris, Isis and Horus nor are they creator, preserver and destroyer except perhaps the Hindu one. Nor are the others, some of which have no clear relationship at all so I can’t see why he thinks they have a “ mysterious union.”

You’re wasting your time. Why not put something in your own words instead of just constant links.

lightgiver

15-09-2010, 08:21 PM

The person who wrote the link I gave is a specialist in Hebrew language. I prefer to take his word for it rather than yours as I assume you speak no Hebrew? You’re very found of denigrating other people’s scholarship, I wonder why? Perhaps you have a chip on your shoulder.

I still have not seen your translation

Do you speak Hebrew?

It appears its you who does not know what they are talking about

you appear to have some kind of official agenda

I’ve repeated what a language expert thinks. If that’s not good enough for you, tough tittie. Prefer your own fantasies if it makes you happy.

OOO yes it is tough tittie, for you :D

No chip on my shoulder I just don't believe you or your specialist friend

http://www.jewfaq.org/graphics/hebrew.gif

Like most early Semitic alphabetic writing systems, the alefbet has NO vowels. People who are fluent in the language do not need vowels to read Hebrew, and most things written in Hebrew in Israel are written without vowels.

There are only five vowels in English and one semi-vowel

A, E, I, O, U (and sometimes Y)...............................Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani

Niqqud

In Hebrew orthography, niqqud or nikkud (Hebrew: נִקּוּד, Modern nikud Tiberian niqqûḏ ; "dotting, pointing" or Hebrew: נְקֻדּוֹת, Modern nekudot Tiberian nəquddôṯ ; "dots") is a system of diacritical signs used to represent vowels or distinguish between alternative pronunciations of letters of the Hebrew alphabet.

Among those who do not speak Hebrew, niqqud are the sometimes unnamed focus of controversy regarding the interpretation of those written with the Tetragrammaton—written as יְהֹוָה in Hebrew. The interpretation affects discussion of the authentic ancient pronunciation of the name whose other conventional English forms are "Jehovah" and "Yahweh".

http://thepardescentre.com.au/stage/images/hebrew-vowels.gif
Hebrew Vowels
The Hebrew vowels are dots and dashes under and above the consonants.

http://thepardescentre.com.au/stage/images/tree-life-zigzag.gif
Hebrew, unlike many other languages, is written right-to-left according to the direction of descending light.

Throughout history many languages were constructed by the Jews. They were known as languages of diaspora. However, the Hebrew language is the original Jewish language of the Torah.

The Hebrew vowels and their corresponding sefirot on the Tree of Life - taken from the Bahir.
The Hebrew Vowels - YouTube

Imperial Aramaic language origins
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Around 500 BCE, following the Achaemenid conquest of Mesopotamia under Darius I, Aramaic (as had been used in that region) was adopted by the conquerors as the "vehicle for written communication between the different regions of the vast empire with its different peoples and languages. The use of a single official language, which modern scholarship has dubbed Official Aramaic or Imperial Aramaic, can be assumed to have greatly contributed to the astonishing success of the Achaemenids in holding their far-flung empire together for as long as they did".

One of the largest collections of Imperial Aramaic texts is that of the Persepolis fortification tablets, which number about five hundred. Many of the extant documents witnessing to this form of Aramaic come from Egypt, and Elephantine in particular (see Elephantine papyri). Of them, the best known is the Wisdom of Ahiqar, a book of instructive aphorisms quite similar in style to the biblical book of Proverbs. Achaemenid Aramaic is sufficiently uniform that it is often difficult to know where any particular example of the language was written

In addition to the formal, literary dialects of Aramaic based on Hasmonaean and Babylonian there were a number of colloquial Aramaic dialects. Seven dialects of Western Aramaic were spoken in the vicinity of Judaea in Jesus' time. They were probably distinctive yet mutually intelligible. Old Judaean was the prominent dialect of Jerusalem and Judaea. The region of Engedi had the South-east Judaean dialect. Samaria had its distinctive Samaritan Aramaic, where the consonants 'he', 'heth' and '‘ayin' all became pronounced as 'aleph'. Galilean Aramaic, the dialect of Jesus' home region, is only known from a few place names, the influences on Galilean Targumic, some rabbinic literature and a few private letters.

A Triad is not a Trinity. A Triad is a grouping of three persons; a Trinity is three persons in one. Totally different but you know that.

It appears you do not know that, you change your tune as you go along LOL

Why all this guff? I merely stated that Semiramis etc was not part of a Trinity. Oh and I see you are using “official sources” for your points.

drakul

15-09-2010, 10:13 PM

Aren't most scholars agreed that Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani is Aramaic? Aramaic was a lingua franca for the Near Middle East. It is still spoken by 400,000 people today, so translation is not a problem.

Aramaic language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver

15-09-2010, 10:32 PM

Under KING JAMES I Bacon coordinated the project of writing an authorized Protestant English Bible. This version was first published in 1611 and became as the “King James Bible”, the most widely used bible in the English-speaking world. [ Please read that again - 1611 hardly 2000 years ago.]

infinite tea

15-09-2010, 10:35 PM

Great thread :-)

rapunzel

16-09-2010, 06:00 PM

I still have not seen your translation

Do you speak Hebrew?

I haven’t done a translation and no I don’t speak Hebrew or Aramaic nor have I ever claimed to.

It appears its you who does not know what they are talking about

you appear to have some kind of official agenda

What a funny little man you are!:rolleyes: I think it’s quite rational to believe someone who has a degree in a particular language over someone who doesn’t speak a word of it. I realize that rationality is foreign to some minds here and that this will go over their heads.

I don’t believe there is an “official agenda” as to what the words in question mean but the simplest answer is nearly always the right one so the occurrence of the word “lama” is unlikely to indicate a Tibetan Lama or a Mayan expression.

Simple really.

OOO yes it is tough tittie, for you

No chip on my shoulder I just don't believe you or your specialist friend

Fine, don’t believe it.

Like most early Semitic alphabetic writing systems, the alefbet has NO vowels. People who are fluent in the language do not need vowels to read Hebrew, and most things written in Hebrew in Israel are written without vowels.

There are only five vowels in English and one semi-vowel

A, E, I, O, U (and sometimes Y)...............................Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani

Niqqud

In Hebrew orthography, niqqud or nikkud (Hebrew: נִקּוּד, Modern nikud Tiberian niqqûḏ ; "dotting, pointing" or Hebrew: נְקֻדּוֹת, Modern nekudot Tiberian nəquddôṯ ; "dots") is a system of diacritical signs used to represent vowels or distinguish between alternative pronunciations of letters of the Hebrew alphabet.

Among those who do not speak Hebrew, niqqud are the sometimes unnamed focus of controversy regarding the interpretation of those written with the Tetragrammaton—written as יְהֹוָה in Hebrew. The interpretation affects discussion of the authentic ancient pronunciation of the name whose other conventional English forms are "Jehovah" and "Yahweh".

Hebrew Vowels
The Hebrew vowels are dots and dashes under and above the consonants.

Hebrew, unlike many other languages, is written right-to-left according to the direction of descending light.

Throughout history many languages were constructed by the Jews. They were known as languages of diaspora. However, the Hebrew language is the original Jewish language of the Torah.

The Hebrew vowels and their corresponding sefirot on the Tree of Life - taken from the Bahir.

Imperial Aramaic language origins

Around 500 BCE, following the Achaemenid conquest of Mesopotamia under Darius I, Aramaic (as had been used in that region) was adopted by the conquerors as the "vehicle for written communication between the different regions of the vast empire with its different peoples and languages. The use of a single official language, which modern scholarship has dubbed Official Aramaic or Imperial Aramaic, can be assumed to have greatly contributed to the astonishing success of the Achaemenids in holding their far-flung empire together for as long as they did".

One of the largest collections of Imperial Aramaic texts is that of the Persepolis fortification tablets, which number about five hundred. Many of the extant documents witnessing to this form of Aramaic come from Egypt, and Elephantine in particular (see Elephantine papyri). Of them, the best known is the Wisdom of Ahiqar, a book of instructive aphorisms quite similar in style to the biblical book of Proverbs. Achaemenid Aramaic is sufficiently uniform that it is often difficult to know where any particular example of the language was written

In addition to the formal, literary dialects of Aramaic based on Hasmonaean and Babylonian there were a number of colloquial Aramaic dialects. Seven dialects of Western Aramaic were spoken in the vicinity of Judaea in Jesus' time. They were probably distinctive yet mutually intelligible. Old Judaean was the prominent dialect of Jerusalem and Judaea. The region of Engedi had the South-east Judaean dialect. Samaria had its distinctive Samaritan Aramaic, where the consonants 'he', 'heth' and '‘ayin' all became pronounced as 'aleph'. Galilean Aramaic, the dialect of Jesus' home region, is only known from a few place names, the influences on Galilean Targumic, some rabbinic literature and a few private letters.

All very well but what does that have to do with the subject of the thread? And you really should show your sources instead of pretending it’s all come out of your own head. You are of course using “official sources” because it suits you. Naught boy!

It appears you do not know that, you change your tune as you go along LOL

Since I was the one who pointed out that a Triad was not the same as a Trinity and that the mythical Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz should not be called a Trinity I think it is you who are trying to hide your own ignorance by outright lies.

If you’re not lying show me where I have “changed my tune”. I challenge you.

lightgiver

16-09-2010, 06:40 PM

Lama and Rama

Dingir Lama( Lahama) the Same as Lord Rama?

Dr K.Loganathan. 2004

The more we study the Sumerian literature the more we see not only how the West was indebted to it but also India particularly the Dravidians. While in the Semitic Middle East and the West seem to have diluted some of the basic insights, the Dravidians however seem to have continued the same cultural impulses and developed further with a depth and vigor quite unknown elsewhere. The production of CaGkam literature Tolkaappiyam TirukkuRaL Tirumantiram and so forth could not have been unless there was an unbroken cultural continuity over and above the linguistic that we can see quite obviously.

Now it appears to me the Epic of RamayaNa constitutes one of these cultural continuities and it looks as though several elements in Sumerian literature have been woven together to generate the epic of Ramayana. The theme in a nutshell is contained in the story of Dingit Ningir-su which may be an ancient name of Sukriivan, one of the monkey-man gods in RamayaNa. And whose essences have been transferred to Rama. It is significant that many Tamil scholars have noted the Tamil etymas for most of the proper names in RamayaNa.

Now over and above the similarities between Gilgamesh and RamayaNa that S.Sathiya has brought out to our attention , I am wondering also whether the name Rama itself can be just a later rendering of Dingir Lama ( Lahama) in Sumerian and where the change from l > r is well attested in Dravidian linguistics. The following lines from Lamentations Over the Destruction of Ur lead me to think thus:

1-26

(d) lama-e e-kug-ke . . (The Lamsu of the holy temple has abandoned . . )

Ta. (d) Rama-ee il koGkee . . ( Lord Rama of the temple of the hill has abandoned . . )

(¦¾) Ã¡Á¡§Å þø ¦¸¡í¸ . .

(d) lama : Ta. Rama : the warrior king of Ramayana. Su. (d) Lama : the God of the Weapons. Also … Su. Lahama = lama?

See : Kes Temple Hymn

We also see a linkage between these practices and the Shamanism of the Far Eastern cultures.

97. gi-gun-na-bi la-ha-ma ki-us-sa ( Whose giganu the Lahama support)

*Ta. mi kuNabi lakamaa kiiz oocca ( Whose dark aspect the Lahama drives away from the place?)

The important word "gi-gun-na" which can also be read as "mi-gun-na" is best translated as Ta. mai-kuNam, the dark kuNas or the evil and devilish behavioral propensities. We see here the beginnings of guna theory of Samkhya where the same concept is rendered as Tamasa KuNa which also means the dark gunas as opposed to the Satvika and Rajasa. The term us-sa is Ta. ooccu, to drive away and which is retained as 'uccadanam ', exorcism in Siddha psychiatry, one of eight putties that are related to eight sitties, psychic powers. "ki-us-sa" then can be taken as " driving underground" or "driving into outer space" and hence exorcise etc.

This makes the Lahama an exorcist, a hangover from the primitive medicine man, and within historical times among the Tamils some Siddhas were like this and there are many texts like Nanthiicar Njaanam and so forth to substantiate this.

Now the name Lahama is strikingly close to Rama. We also have Dinger Lama, the deity that inhabits the weapons and ensures victory for the blessed. In view of this we propose two things as matters for further investigations for unraveling the mysteries surrounding the deep past of Indian Civilization.

1-27

(d) lama-e e-SIL-sir-sir-ra ( The Lamasu has abandoned E-SIL-sirsir . . . )

Ta. (d) Ramavee il SIL siir.siir-ra . . ( Lord Rama has abandoned the temple (great? ) songs ( noble things?)

(¦¾ö)Ã¡Á¡§Å þø=SIL-º£÷-º£÷-«

sir-sir-aTa. siir : songs . Also siir: those that are righteous, beautiful etc.

It appears that Lord Rama(Lama, Lahama) was the god of justice and beauty as well as the spirit that rules the weapons and ensures victory for the righteous, The beginnings may be Rama the Lahama an exorcist, a hangover from the primitive medicine man, and who gradually evolved into the God of Righteousness, the valiant god who would battle with the evil forces ( RavaNa) and provide safety and security for the righteous and beautiful(Sita)

http://sites.google.com/site/sumeriantamil/lama-and-rama

Tamil is the oldest language in the world. It is the mother of all Indo European languages including Sanskrit. Recent archaeological (Adhichanalloor and Indian ocean) evidence shows that the language is related to sumerian and that Tamil was spoken in South India more than 5000 years ago. The language has changed very little over these years and old tamil is still comprehensible to tamil speakers. Tamil legend says speaks of a lost continent, "Kumari Kandam" which is believed to be submerged under Indian Ocean. Recent excavations in Indian Ocean seem to support this legend.

http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/harpist.gif
Baked clay plaque of a harpist,
Isin / Larsa, Old Babylonian period,
c. 2000-1600 BC

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71ERE4MGM0L._SL500_AA300_.gif

http://arutkural.tripod.com/sumstudies/keshymn5-8.html

Dravidian languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

bush doctor

16-09-2010, 09:20 PM

Lama and Rama

Dingir Lama( Lahama) the Same as Lord Rama?

Dr K.Loganathan. 2004

The more we study the Sumerian literature the more we see not only how the West was indebted to it but also India particularly the Dravidians. While in the Semitic Middle East and the West seem to have diluted some of the basic insights, the Dravidians however seem to have continued the same cultural impulses and developed further with a depth and vigor quite unknown elsewhere. The production of CaGkam literature Tolkaappiyam TirukkuRaL Tirumantiram and so forth could not have been unless there was an unbroken cultural continuity over and above the linguistic that we can see quite obviously.

Now it appears to me the Epic of RamayaNa constitutes one of these cultural continuities and it looks as though several elements in Sumerian literature have been woven together to generate the epic of Ramayana. The theme in a nutshell is contained in the story of Dingit Ningir-su which may be an ancient name of Sukriivan, one of the monkey-man gods in RamayaNa. And whose essences have been transferred to Rama. It is significant that many Tamil scholars have noted the Tamil etymas for most of the proper names in RamayaNa.

Now over and above the similarities between Gilgamesh and RamayaNa that S.Sathiya has brought out to our attention , I am wondering also whether the name Rama itself can be just a later rendering of Dingir Lama ( Lahama) in Sumerian and where the change from l > r is well attested in Dravidian linguistics. The following lines from Lamentations Over the Destruction of Ur lead me to think thus:

1-26

(d) lama-e e-kug-ke . . (The Lamsu of the holy temple has abandoned . . )

Ta. (d) Rama-ee il koGkee . . ( Lord Rama of the temple of the hill has abandoned . . )

(¦¾) Ã¡Á¡§Å þø ¦¸¡í¸ . .

(d) lama : Ta. Rama : the warrior king of Ramayana. Su. (d) Lama : the God of the Weapons. Also … Su. Lahama = lama?

See : Kes Temple Hymn

We also see a linkage between these practices and the Shamanism of the Far Eastern cultures.

97. gi-gun-na-bi la-ha-ma ki-us-sa ( Whose giganu the Lahama support)

*Ta. mi kuNabi lakamaa kiiz oocca ( Whose dark aspect the Lahama drives away from the place?)

The important word "gi-gun-na" which can also be read as "mi-gun-na" is best translated as Ta. mai-kuNam, the dark kuNas or the evil and devilish behavioral propensities. We see here the beginnings of guna theory of Samkhya where the same concept is rendered as Tamasa KuNa which also means the dark gunas as opposed to the Satvika and Rajasa. The term us-sa is Ta. ooccu, to drive away and which is retained as 'uccadanam ', exorcism in Siddha psychiatry, one of eight putties that are related to eight sitties, psychic powers. "ki-us-sa" then can be taken as " driving underground" or "driving into outer space" and hence exorcise etc.

This makes the Lahama an exorcist, a hangover from the primitive medicine man, and within historical times among the Tamils some Siddhas were like this and there are many texts like Nanthiicar Njaanam and so forth to substantiate this.

Now the name Lahama is strikingly close to Rama. We also have Dinger Lama, the deity that inhabits the weapons and ensures victory for the blessed. In view of this we propose two things as matters for further investigations for unraveling the mysteries surrounding the deep past of Indian Civilization.

1-27

(d) lama-e e-SIL-sir-sir-ra ( The Lamasu has abandoned E-SIL-sirsir . . . )

Ta. (d) Ramavee il SIL siir.siir-ra . . ( Lord Rama has abandoned the temple (great? ) songs ( noble things?)

(¦¾ö)Ã¡Á¡§Å þø=SIL-º£÷-º£÷-«

sir-sir-aTa. siir : songs . Also siir: those that are righteous, beautiful etc.

It appears that Lord Rama(Lama, Lahama) was the god of justice and beauty as well as the spirit that rules the weapons and ensures victory for the righteous, The beginnings may be Rama the Lahama an exorcist, a hangover from the primitive medicine man, and who gradually evolved into the God of Righteousness, the valiant god who would battle with the evil forces ( RavaNa) and provide safety and security for the righteous and beautiful(Sita)

http://sites.google.com/site/sumeriantamil/lama-and-rama

Tamil is the oldest language in the world. It is the mother of all Indo European languages including Sanskrit. Recent archaeological (Adhichanalloor and Indian ocean) evidence shows that the language is related to sumerian and that Tamil was spoken in South India more than 5000 years ago. The language has changed very little over these years and old tamil is still comprehensible to tamil speakers. Tamil legend says speaks of a lost continent, "Kumari Kandam" which is believed to be submerged under Indian Ocean. Recent excavations in Indian Ocean seem to support this legend.

http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/harpist.gif
Baked clay plaque of a harpist,
Isin / Larsa, Old Babylonian period,
c. 2000-1600 BC

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71ERE4MGM0L._SL500_AA300_.gif

http://arutkural.tripod.com/sumstudies/keshymn5-8.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_languages

Outstanding work there LG:

It is a great shame other strong willed poster's do not accept honourably the reality that there is much more than the so called "official" line of historical events available, scholars employing left brain preferences will if bright enough pass examinations set for them,some will defend them with mockery and cheap shots if those indoctrinations are challenged, "no class" they will however profess mastery of the syllabus subject:p no doubt via a personal library and some name dropping,and woe betide anyone that go's against that blinkered world of precious degree's.

I for one relish the prospect of exploring new avenue's of previously hidden writings, surely its then up to the observer to either absorb or reject the new data! the quality of opinion is IMPO subject to the individual's life experiences and dare I say it "intuition" :eek:my gut feeling on this one tells me its wise to keep looking and ignore the stage props;).

Thanks again dude:)

lightgiver

16-09-2010, 09:43 PM

Wise Words Bush Doctor :cool:

Those who argue about right and wrong are those enslaved by right and wrong.

Leave NO stone unturned

http://www.hypno-therapists.co.uk/images/collier-oracle.jpg

Apparently,

This expression alludes to an ancient Greek legend about a general who buried a large treasure in his tent when he was defeated in battle. Those seeking the treasure consulted the Oracle of Delphi, who advised them to move every stone.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Vajra.jpg/751px-Vajra.jpg
Vajra

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Omphalos_museum.jpg/450px-Omphalos_museum.jpg
The omphalos in museum of Delphi.

http://www.exoticindiaart.com/brass/auspicious_vishwa_vajra_em80.jpg
Auspicious Vishwa Vajra

The vajra is generally two-sided but the vishvavajra or the double thunderbolt has four heads representing the four dhyani Buddhas of the four directions namely, Amoghasiddhi for north, Akshobhya, who presides over the east, Ratnasambhava, lord of the south, and Amitabha who reigns over the west. It is the emblem of the crossed vajra that is inscribed upon the metal base that is used to seal deity statues after they have been consecrated.

Vajra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

marpat

16-09-2010, 10:15 PM

Hi bush,

yes I am aware of the official line,there is more to it than meets the eye or ear.:)

It is where the spiritual consciousness that animated his body leaves before death and there is just the man left hanging

rapunzel

22-09-2010, 12:07 PM

Outstanding work there LG:

It is a great shame other strong willed poster's do not accept honourably the reality that there is much more than the so called "official" line of historical events available, scholars employing left brain preferences will if bright enough pass examinations set for them,some will defend them with mockery and cheap shots if those indoctrinations are challenged, "no class" they will however profess mastery of the syllabus subject:p no doubt via a personal library and some name dropping,and woe betide anyone that go's against that blinkered world of precious degree's.

I for one relish the prospect of exploring new avenue's of previously hidden writings, surely its then up to the observer to either absorb or reject the new data! the quality of opinion is IMPO subject to the individual's life experiences and dare I say it "intuition" :eek:my gut feeling on this one tells me its wise to keep looking and ignore the stage props;).

Thanks again dude:)

I don't think I've ever come across anybody who believes that the "official line", whatever you take that to be, is the only reality. The trouble is that if you go to the opposite extreme you are in a position that accepts that everything and anything may be true. Anyone who is interested in exploring alternative explanations and then coming to a conclusion must have at least some facts that are incontrovertible and can be supported, even though there are people who dislike facts that do not support their particular theory.

There are some posters who have a habit of simply cutting and pasting something from wikipedia or some other website as if it were the suddenly discovered truth but are then reluctant to enter into any discussion about the contents of what they have posted. Anyone who dares to point out that some of the information in the article does not ring true is then denigrated and mocked. How does one learn to separate the chaff from the wheat; education should teach you that. Not filling you full of facts but teaching you how to distinguish and discriminate between a multitude of facts. Education, which is much despised by some Forum members, should be about teaching you how to think, not what to think. We should be able to think for ourselves and not just repeat what others have said. If presenting evidence they feel controverts current thinking they should be able to support that evidence with intelligent and coherent argument

As for the "official line" that line is very fluid as anyone who kept up to date with current thinking would know. It is not static and unbending and new discoveries are being made which results in an alteration to what was previously thought.

You speak of either absorbing or rejecting new data but on what grounds do you judge that data to be worth retaining worth retaining? If it goes against what the current thinking is, on what grounds do you accept it? Yes, life experiences come into it; new data has to be judged according to what one already knows (or believes) to be true. But intuition? How is intuition formed and what makes us so sure that our intuition leads us to the truth whilst it leads others into error?

All to often people look for facts to support their conclusions instead of letting the facts form their conclusion. This is what many Christian apologists do; you can present them with something incontrovertible that disproves a point they have made and they refuse to accept it because their mind is already made up and they have no time for anything that does not support their belief. They find faith and come to believe but then have a blind spot that cannot see anything that may cause that belief to stumble.

As for me, I was mocked for posting what an expert on ancient languages said. I don’t know about you but when it comes to understanding a sentence in an unfamiliar language I would prefer to rely on someone who understands that language to explain the meaning than someone who doesn’t. Even if the translator gained their qualification from a derided “official source.”

bush doctor

23-09-2010, 09:52 PM

I don't think I've ever come across anybody who believes that the "official line", whatever you take that to be, is the only reality. The trouble is that if you go to the opposite extreme you are in a position that accepts that everything and anything may be true. Anyone who is interested in exploring alternative explanations and then coming to a conclusion must have at least some facts that are incontrovertible and can be supported, even though there are people who dislike facts that do not support their particular theory.

There are some posters who have a habit of simply cutting and pasting something from wikipedia or some other website as if it were the suddenly discovered truth but are then reluctant to enter into any discussion about the contents of what they have posted. Anyone who dares to point out that some of the information in the article does not ring true is then denigrated and mocked. How does one learn to separate the chaff from the wheat; education should teach you that. Not filling you full of facts but teaching you how to distinguish and discriminate between a multitude of facts. Education, which is much despised by some Forum members, should be about teaching you how to think, not what to think. We should be able to think for ourselves and not just repeat what others have said. If presenting evidence they feel controverts current thinking they should be able to support that evidence with intelligent and coherent argument

As for the "official line" that line is very fluid as anyone who kept up to date with current thinking would know. It is not static and unbending and new discoveries are being made which results in an alteration to what was previously thought.

You speak of either absorbing or rejecting new data but on what grounds do you judge that data to be worth retaining worth retaining? If it goes against what the current thinking is, on what grounds do you accept it? Yes, life experiences come into it; new data has to be judged according to what one already knows (or believes) to be true. But intuition? How is intuition formed and what makes us so sure that our intuition leads us to the truth whilst it leads others into error?

All to often people look for facts to support their conclusions instead of letting the facts form their conclusion. This is what many Christian apologists do; you can present them with something incontrovertible that disproves a point they have made and they refuse to accept it because their mind is already made up and they have no time for anything that does not support their belief. They find faith and come to believe but then have a blind spot that cannot see anything that may cause that belief to stumble.

As for me, I was mocked for posting what an expert on ancient languages said. I don’t know about you but when it comes to understanding a sentence in an unfamiliar language I would prefer to rely on someone who understands that language to explain the meaning than someone who doesn’t. Even if the translator gained their qualification from a derided “official source.”

People tend to "see what they want to see" and "here what they want to hear" for any person that has given a label to themselves are clearly putting on blinkers,be it pagan/Christian/Satanist etc.

To encompass ALL possibility's is a logical and necessary step to form a balanced opinion on subjects you have not personally experienced.

Albert Einstein is by many considered a plagiarist, "so what" almost everyone is guilty of that here;) for LG to present articles found to be of interest by copy and paste is only another mechanism of delivery, a quick readily available topic for any to absorbed or not,this is called free will.

The point is that the info is out there, whether academics like it or not:p the bones can then be picked out revealing any tasty morsels by discerning diners.

Far too many focus on the finger and not the moon.

"All instruction is but a finger pointing to the moon; and those whose gaze is fixed upon the pointer will never see beyond. Even let him catch sight of the moon, and still he cannot see its beauty."

rapunzel

26-09-2010, 06:43 PM

People tend to "see what they want to see" and "here what they want to hear" for any person that has given a label to themselves are clearly putting on blinkers,be it pagan/Christian/Satanist etc.

To encompass ALL possibility's is a logical and necessary step to form a balanced opinion on subjects you have not personally experienced.

Albert Einstein is by many considered a plagiarist, "so what" almost everyone is guilty of that here;) for LG to present articles found to be of interest by copy and paste is only another mechanism of delivery, a quick readily available topic for any to absorbed or not,this is called free will.

The point is that the info is out there, whether academics like it or not:p the bones can then be picked out revealing any tasty morsels by discerning diners.

Far too many focus on the finger and not the moon.

"All instruction is but a finger pointing to the moon; and those whose gaze is fixed upon the pointer will never see beyond. Even let him catch sight of the moon, and still he cannot see its beauty."

Of course all possibilities can be considered but at some point some of them have to be rejected. How does one know which to reject? Discrimination has to be learned. What some might consider tasty morsels might be considered slop by others.

All instruction is but a finger pointing to the moon. True. But instruction is first needed to show that the Moon is there. After that it's up to the individual to make what they can of it.

lewisicon

27-09-2010, 12:31 PM

herushura

27-09-2010, 02:01 PM

It means My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
"Sabachthani" means "Forsaken".Jesus was asking to lord of the heaven while he was in the cross were he cannot tolerate the pain. So he seek lord for help.

Wrong

The term "Sabachthani" litterly means "Abandoned" - Jesus litterly said, My God, My God, Why have you abandoned me.

most likely a Poetic reference to Julius Caeser who was murdered, thus he had foresaken his Son (of God) .....Caeserion/Augustus

And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.
34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Iulius, Iulius, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
35 And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Divus Iulius.
36 And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Julius will come to take him down.
37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up his Breath.
38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.
39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up his breath, he said, Truly this man was the Son(filius) of God(divi)." (Mark 15)
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alternative answer

Eli is also the aramaic/hebrew equivilent of Chronos... God of Time

And at the ninth hour(time reference) Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Why has the Time abandoned me????

logos880

27-09-2010, 02:44 PM

most likely a Poetic reference to Julius Caeser who was murdered, thus he had foresaken his Son (of God) .....Caeserion/Augustus

Most likely? Hardly dude. :rolleyes:

herushura

27-09-2010, 06:00 PM

Most likely? Hardly dude. :rolleyes:

Augustus Caeser is the only Historic Person around the time of Jesus to officially have the title "Son of God".

God of which is "Divus Iulius" - Father of the Roman Empire....mutated into Father of Holy Roman Empire and became one with Iovis (yhwh)

logos880

27-09-2010, 06:07 PM

Augustus Caeser is the only Historic Person around the time of Jesus to officially have the title "Son of God".

God of which is "Divus Iulius" - Father of the Roman Empire....mutated into Father of Holy Roman Empire and became one with Iovis (yhwh)

Oh, so herushura on the DI forum, after 2000 years of misdirection and misunderstanding by the human race, has figured out that the most published story in history, the story of Jesus, was actually about caesar! Riiiiight. :rolleyes:

Sorry dude, but I'm not buying what you're selling.

herushura

27-09-2010, 06:18 PM

Oh, so herushura on the DI forum, after 2000 years of misdirection and misunderstanding by the human race, has figured out that the most published story in history, the story of Jesus, was actually about caesar! Riiiiight. :rolleyes:

Sorry dude, but I'm not buying what you're selling.

Caesar was an Extremely Important Person, in fact without him the entire would be a completely different place as he is the Founding Father of the Roman Empire.

Roman Empire > Holy Roman Empire > European Monarchy > USA/UN/CMwealth

at least everyone in the world prays to "Julius Caeser as Jesus Christ" as thanks.

logos880

27-09-2010, 06:56 PM

Caesar was an Extremely Important Person, in fact without him the entire would be a completely different place as he is the Founding Father of the Roman Empire.

Roman Empire > Holy Roman Empire > European Monarchy > USA/UN/CMwealth

at least everyone in the world prays to "Julius Caeser as Jesus Christ" as thanks.

Lol, everyone in the world has been misled other than herushura on the DI forum. Over 100 million people decieved every year! :D

Like I said, I'm not buying it.

luciferhorus

28-09-2010, 06:00 AM

Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani,

any thoughts on this one :)

Obviously Lama is a well known word,

Well to a Christian, since Jesus is God, he obviously went a bit insane and started talking to himself, just like on numerous other occasions where he referred to his god in the second and third person (i.e., you, he) as opposed to the first person (me, myself, I).

What he really should have been saying (if one accepts the Christian belief that is actually God the Creator) is "Myself, myself, what have I forsaken myself?"

Somehow it seems that when it comes to religion, the more idiotic a theological belief is, the more likely some people are to believe it.

Lux

Ricky Gervais bible comedy part 1 - YouTube
Ricky Gervais on the Bible

herushura

28-09-2010, 08:18 AM

Lol, everyone in the world has been misled other than herushura on the DI forum. Over 100 million people decieved every year! :D

Like I said, I'm not buying it.

The Roman Empire Created the Jesus Myth, whom the 100 Million People are still governed over.

holylucifer

28-09-2010, 07:24 PM

89:17 Then the ravens (Esau/Idumean Jews' Sanhedrin) contended, and struggled with them.
89:18 They wished among them to break his horn; but they prevailed not over him.
89:19 I looked on them, until the shepherds (priests), the eagles, the avest, and the kites came.
89:20 Who cried out to the ravens (Idumean Jews' Sanhedrin) to break the horn of the faithful; to contend with him; and to kill (crucify) him. But he struggled with them, and cried out ("Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani"), that help might come to him (Ps. 22; Matt. 27:46).

27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me? (Eno. 89:20; Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1)
27:47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard [that], said, This [man] calleth for Elias.
27:48 And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled [it] with vinegar, and put [it] on a reed, and gave him to drink.
27:49 The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him.
27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up his spirit.
27:51 And, behold, the "Temple Veil" (to the "Holy of Holies") was torn in two from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent (Eno. 89:23);
27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the holy ones which slept arose,

Like the matrix.

logos880

28-09-2010, 08:00 PM

The Roman Empire Created the Jesus Myth, whom the 100 Million People are still governed over.

Ohhhh, now that you've repeated yourself for the Xth time I believe you now!

Nope...just kiddding! I still think you're full of it on this one. :D

logos880

28-09-2010, 08:03 PM

Well to a Christian, since Jesus is God, he obviously went a bit insane and started talking to himself, just like on numerous other occasions where he referred to his god in the second and third person (i.e., you, he) as opposed to the first person (me, myself, I).

What he really should have been saying (if one accepts the Christian belief that is actually God the Creator) is "Myself, myself, what have I forsaken myself?"

Somehow it seems that when it comes to religion, the more idiotic a theological belief is, the more likely some people are to believe it.

Lux

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pbEjOH7t0Q&feature=related
Ricky Gervais on the Bible

There you go again with the same talking points that you keep regurgitating over and over again! Just an FYI: the only people you are convincing with your lack of understanding are people who have the same lack of understanding as you. ;)

Just remember, Jesus still loves you even if you hate Him. And I still love you even if you hate me. :)

lightgiver

12-01-2011, 03:44 PM

The term Communion is derived from Latin communio (sharing in common). The corresponding term in Greek is κοινωνία, which is often translated as "fellowship". In Christianity, the basic meaning of the term communion is an especially close relationship of Christians, as individuals or as a Church, with God and with other Christians

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The Eucharist, also called Holy Communion, Sacrament of the Altar, the Blessed Sacrament, or The Lord's Supper, and other names, is a Christian sacrament or ordinance, generally considered to be a re-enactment of the Last Supper, the final meal that Jesus Christ shared with his disciples before his arrest and crucifixion, during which he gave them bread, saying, "This is my body", and wine, saying, "This is my blood"

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The Double Crown of Upper and Lower Egypt is also known as the Pschent crown.

As a symbol of unity between the Two Lands, King Menes created the Double Crown by inserting the White Crown of Upper Egypt into the Red Crown of Lower Egypt.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8444/jesusegyptian.jpg (http://img181.imageshack.us/i/jesusegyptian.jpg/)

The physiology of death revolves around changes in the winds, channels and drops. Psychologically, due to the fact that consciousnesses of varying grossness and subtlety depend on the winds, like a rider on a horse, their dissolving or loss of ability to serve as bases of consciousness induces radical changes in conscious experience.

At the channel-centres there are WHITE and RED drops, upon which physical and mental health are based. The white is predominant at the top of the head and the red at the solar plexus. These drops have their origin in a white and red drop at the heart centre, and this drop is the size of a small pea and has a white top and red bottom. It is called the indestructible drop, since it lasts until death. The very subtle life-bearing wind dwells inside it and, at death, all winds ultimately dissolve into it, whereupon the clear light vision of death dawns.

Crucifixion is an ancient method of painful execution in which the condemned person is tied or nailed to a large wooden cross (of various shapes) and left to hang until dead. The term comes from the Latin crucifixio ("fixing to a cross", from the prefix cruci-, from crux ("cross"), + verb figere, "fix or bind fast".

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Ecce Homo - Behold the Man, Jesus of Nazareth (1977)

pachelbeld

12-01-2011, 07:31 PM

In the king james version ( greek) of the bible Jesus is reported to have said, "My God, Why have you forsaken me." In the Lamsa version (Aramaic) Jesus is reported to have said, " You have not forsaken me. From this I have been spared."

lightgiver

12-01-2011, 07:36 PM

In the king james version ( greek) of the bible Jesus is reported to have said,

Francis Bacon.

pachelbeld

12-01-2011, 10:46 PM

According to Osho, in the Book of Secrets, Buddha was reported to have said, "Don't believe me. Do the technique, and if it works, then do faith. Put no head over you own." Find a Lamsa bible and see for yourself. Simple. "Seek and you will find". I don't want to be like the average Christian, blasphemers of the Holy Ghost, the ones that call everything outside of their little box 'the devil'. Narrow minded, scare, paranoid sheep that refuse to see other points of view. They are not ready for it.
Paul is reported to have said in the bible. "If I eat food offered to idols, then why is my liberty judged." But he also says not to make another sin if the other thinks it is wrong. "When you sin against others, you sin against Christ." (And in the end you sin against yourself.) "As you do to others it will be done to you." I let them believe what they want. I do what I want. Responsible, mind my own business, and to quote Osho, "Leave the world alone. All you can do is just change yourself." Truth is simple. Not always easy. EH ? Unlike a psychic school in Santa rosa, California. We were doing psychic readings. Michael says to me, "your on the 'hot seat' ". Mrs Lucifer says, "I know what he knows. I can't control him." (Holy word, cross, church.) A lot of the students are fine, nice people. A lot of Christians are fine. These teachers were not fine. As Hawkins said, "Believers are always dangerous because of their imbalanced perception and their inclination to violence." David Icke makes it clear to 'not go there'. Self defense is one thing. 'Witch hunts' are another. You eventually turn into one. As Hawkins says in his book, The Eye of the Eye, "No arbitrary decision is needed in a universe that is inately just and self-balancing. All that is still, silent, peaceful, and love, repels all that is non-silent, unloving, and unpeaceful. This is experienced by the ego as hell which is thereby self created." As David Icke says, "The elite are about to experience the consequences of abusing power." We do it to ourselves. Good, Bad, All ! Buddha is reported to have said, "It is well known that I practice great humane kindness. One day a person came and insulted me. I remained silent and did not react to his insult. When he finished abusing, I asked him, 'When you do good to someone and they refuse it, does not the curtesy return to you?' He replied, 'it does'. Now you are insulting me but I did not receive it. There, the evil must return to you and remain with you. It is as inevitable as an echo that follows a sound, or a shadow that follows a form. In the end you cannot avoid it. Therefore, be careful to not do evil." Simple. Not easy.
Also, in proverbs, it is said "the wise hide knowledge". Or as Jesus is reported to have said, "Do not give holy to dogs, nor pearls to swine lest they trample them underfoot and turn and tear you to pieces." Remember, the bible is a code book. Isaiah Chapter 39. If you share to much to the enemy they come and take you captive. And everything you have. Some people are that way. Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.
UH ! HIDE !

lightgiver

28-01-2011, 03:08 PM

Little Buddha Part 6
Little Buddha Part 6 - YouTube

...“And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters“

A Roman soldier thrust a spear into Jesus' side to ensure his death. "Immediately blood and water flowed out." (John 19, 34) Blood, a sign of his life, flows upon those standing beneath his cross. Water, which signifies the Spirit living within him, is poured out upon the world they represent. Death, far from ending his life, becomes the moment he shares his life. "This is the one who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ." (I John 5,6)

Christ gives living water which is the source of eternal life ...

loveismyreligion

28-01-2011, 11:07 PM

Eloi Eloi Lemma Sabactani, these words are scribed down the left side of my arm in Ge'ez, an ancient Egyptian/Sabaean script. It is punctuated with the equalateral coptic cross tattoo, a symbol of rebellion in the region, akin to the 4 leaf clover it is a symbol of harmony when compared to the roman cross which symbolizes a sword. Psalm 22 begins as a plea BUT ends in triumphant praise. It looses something when translated to dead letter tounge but this video captures the sentiment.

"Those who FEAR you I will fulfill my vow. The poor will eat and be satisfied"

Psalm 22 - YouTube

SINEAD, BRIGHTEST STAR IN THIS HOLY ARMAGEDDON.

Sinead O'Connor-War - YouTube

IRISH MAFIA, RESPECT. DRUIDS OF OLE, THE MOST GENTLE OF THE ANCIENTS, KNOWN FOR NOT EVEN TAKING A BLADE TO PLANTS, IN STRENGTH WE HAVE COMPRIMISED, MAY ALL YOUR FALLEN BE AVENGED.

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Boondock Saints Courtroom Speech - YouTube

Valiant revolutionaries in the struggle we have our pride

Shout-outs

Ethiopia
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Sudan- John Garang
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h299/alexbova/_41365041.jpg

Lebanon - Bachir Gemayel
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h299/alexbova/bach79.jpg
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h299/alexbova/bashir.jpg

Mexico- Zapata
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h299/alexbova/Emiliano_zapata.jpg

Apache-Geronimo
http://www.sonofthesouth.net/american-indians/pictures/apache/geronimo_small.jpg

lightgiver

29-01-2011, 12:57 AM

loveismyreligion

29-01-2011, 01:15 AM

Since the flesh is not permanent, the tattoo will not be permanent. ...

In authentic q'belah (which in Ge'ez means to receive) flesh, like the vellum of Illuminated Manuscripts is holy parchment, symbols like thoughts exist outside of space/time a place that transcends the "concept" of permanence. In reality their are no real "orders", nature has no clock, pyramids are just clocks an abstraction and approximation of a "perceived" order in nature, all "actuality" lies dormant to be revealed in DNA.

Why do people worship atlantian clocks???

lightgiver

29-01-2011, 02:21 PM

In authentic q'belah (which in Ge'ez means to receive) flesh, like the vellum of Illuminated Manuscripts is holy parchment, symbols like thoughts exist outside of space/time a place that transcends the "concept" of permanence. In reality their are no real "orders", nature has no clock, pyramids are just clocks an abstraction and approximation of a "perceived" order in nature, all "actuality" lies dormant to be revealed in DNA.

Who wrote those manuscripts

you see the trouble with a lot of religion and politicians and so called leaders they expect you to put your faith in invisibility and their way and the ones who are preaching it do not even practice what they spout.

Total Hypocrisy

if those people actually practiced what they preached this world would be a damn site better place than it is now.

Just a world full of desirous beings who are never satisfied.

Eli (Hebrew: עֵלִי, Modern ʻEli Tiberian ʻĒlî, "Ascent"; Greek: Ηλι; Latin: Heli) was, according to the Books of Samuel, a Jewish High Priest of Shiloh, and one of the last Israelite Judges before the rule of kings in ancient Israel.

Genealogy of Jesus according to Luke

# Matthat
# Eli
# Mary & Joseph*
# Jesus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy_of_Jesus
Éile, Éle or Éli, commonly anglicised Ely, was an ancient and medieval kingdom of northern Munster in Ireland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89li
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_(town)
http://www.sacredconnections.co.uk/holyland/jesusvisitscotland.htm

post 44
Biblical Characters are Based on Egyptian Pharaohs
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115876&page=5

August 1 is Lammas Day (loaf-mass day)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lammas

Sabbat,

These festivals are referred to by Wiccans as Sabbats (pronounced /ˈsæbət/). While the term Sabbat originated from Abrahamic faiths such as Judaism and Christianity and is of Hebrew origin, the festivals themselves have historical origins in Celtic and Germanic pre-Christian feasts, and the Wheel of the Year, as has developed in modern Neopaganism and Modern Wicca, is really a combination of the two cultures' solstice and equinox celebrations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_of_the_Year

European records tell of innumerable cases of persons being accused or tried for taking part in Sabbat gatherings, from the Middle Ages to the 17th century or later. Often, witches who take part in this annual assembly are known for being very beautiful (perhaps the female in a group who is acknowledged as "the prettiest" or "most beautiful") and having biblical names, such as "Sarah," "Rebecca," or "Ruth." However, there are no reliable reports on what actually happened during a Sabbat; and much of what was written about them may be the product of popular imagination or deliberate misinformation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witches%27_Sabbath

Hani

Hani is a god in Akkadian mythology, one of the attendants of the storm-god Adad.

The Sumerian Ishkur appears in the list of gods found at Fara but was of far less importance than the Akkadian Adad later became, probably partly because storms and rain are scarce in southern Babylonia and agriculture there depends on irrigation instead. Also, the gods Enlil and Ninurta also had storm god features which decreased Ishkur's distinctiveness. He sometimes appears as the assistant or companion of one or the other of the two.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_mythology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_(mythology) Nanna (Sumerian deity), god of the moon in Sumerian mythology, also called Suen

How many here have used the term nanna

Dreadzone - Skeleton at the feast - YouTube
Dreadzone - Skeleton at the feast

ferryman to the dead

29-01-2011, 02:55 PM

I feel disgusted that the Theological teachings in our schools deny us the choice of exploring our real history:mad: cut from our learning by the keepers of secrets.....edit..the truth :rolleyes:who the fk do they think they are.

You have a very apt handle my friend.

The dots they are a joining.........

BD does this surprise you?:eek:

Is an interesting thread but have read all of it yet.

bush doctor

29-01-2011, 03:58 PM

BD does this surprise you?:eek:

Is an interesting thread but have read all of it yet.

No:Not for a long time
Yes:though most is "word salad"

loveismyreligion

29-01-2011, 04:55 PM

[QUOTE=lightgiver;1059639657]Who wrote those manuscripts

you see the trouble with a lot of religion and politicians and so called leaders they expect you to put your faith in invisibility and their way and the ones who are preaching it do not even practice what they spout.

Total Hypocrisy

if those people actually practiced what they preached this world would be a damn site better place than it is now.

Just a world full of desirous beings who are never satisfied.

I know, i couldn't agree more. I, like most was born into a game between God and the Devil and as Pythagoras once said, "Number is the ruler of forms and ideas, and the cause of gods and demons." So I struggle with the numbers to make sense of it all. My doctrine is nature, and my "religious" studies focus on waves and vortexes which hold the entire secret of Nature. I attempt to self-actualize based on the these coherent "loving" principles which have me convinced of the world beyond our own. I don't adhere to belief systems (b.s.) and use maybe logic to calculate the numbers. For as Descartes once said, all that I truely know for certain is that I exist. Beyond that it's a crap shoot of randomly strung together beliefs that I use my heart vortex to intuit any meaning from. In those so called "leaders" look for secular wit and a talent to utilize it with heart. I follow heart and courage not ideas. It is a wisdom center frowned upon by a system that would do your thinking for you. In many populations it's associated with the fearless gene, one they haven't figured out how to turn off yet. Maybe when they do it will be easier for the system to lock us into the insect brain circuitry of the medulla which would arbitrarily have us put the needs of the hive above all else. Unfortunately, mammalian circuits have me pressed to figure out a way to fend for all the helpless children in the world that are being crushed by the pyramid and sucked up by the social vortices.

SRV's Coptic Cross
http://www.stevieray.com/images-a/art/jewelry-cross.jpg

Superstition
Stevie Ray Vaughan - Superstition - YouTube

Vodoo Chile
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

loveismyreligion

01-02-2011, 12:27 AM

Yo Ringo "I hate to shatter your ego but this ain't the first time I've had a gun pointed at me."

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

lightgiver

10-07-2011, 01:34 AM

Yes Jesus was a well travelled man LG, the links inspired me to find and post the vid below.

It would appear to me that Jesus was a practising Buddhist Monk and that "Eloi, Eloi, Lama Sabachthani" is a reference to his Guru and NOT to God

This may come as a shock to the mainstream's Status quo ,:eek:it certainly puts Tibet back on the Map:Dand deserves some more research, certainly worthy of some lateral thinking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmCS7P-vdRM

whilst researching worlds oldest language etc etc

The oldest language of the world

The oldest language of the world - YouTube

Sacred Symbols of Mu: Chapter II. Religions:

It should have been spelt, read and pronounced: "Hele, hele, lamat zabac ta ni." ... Hele--I faint; lamat zabac ta ni--darkness is coming over my face. ...

In the late 1980's, perfectly preserved 3000-4000 year old European looking mummies >>>

Mummies of the Takla Makan

Mummies of the Takla Makan - YouTube

Iran / China Mummies_1_Eng.

Iran China Mummies_1_Eng. - YouTube

Masaaki Kimura has suggested that certain underwater features located off the coast of Yonaguni Island, Japan (popularly known as the Yonaguni Monument) are ruins of Mu (or "ruins of the lost world of Muin" according to CNN ).

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8758/lastsunsetjapan.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/135/lastsunsetjapan.jpg/)

The last sunset in Japan is seen from Yonaguni Island

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Location_of_the_Ryukyu_Islands.JPG

Map of the major Ryūkyū Islands

Prehistoric Period

The ancestry of the modern-day Ryukyuan people is disputed. One theory claims that the earliest inhabitants of these islands crossed a prehistoric land bridge from modern-day China, with later additions of Austronesians, Micronesians, and Japanese merging into the population.

The time when human beings first appeared in Okinawa remains unknown. The earliest human bones were those of Yamashita Cave Man, about 32,000 years ago, followed by Pinza-Abu Cave Man, Miyakojima, about 26,000 years ago and Minatogawa man, about 18,000 years ago. Of them, perfect bodies were excavated of the Minatogawa man. They probably came through China and were once considered to be the direct ancestors of those living in Okinawa. No stone tools were discovered with them. For the following 12,000 years, no trace of archaeological sites was discovered after the Minatogawa man site

The Pechin class was also responsible for the development of and training in the traditional fighting style, called Ti (Te)

http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/ssm/ssm05.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(lost_continent)

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=1759

lightgiver

22-08-2011, 08:22 PM

Jesus instantly awakens from his reverie and finds himself once more on the cross, having overcome the "last temptation" of escaping death, being married and raising a family, and the ensuing disaster that would have consequently encompassed mankind. Naked and bloody, Jesus cries out in ecstasy as he dies, "It is accomplished!", and the screen flickers to white.

The Last Tempation of Christ - ending - YouTube

Many of the painters and most of the sculptors of crucifixion, also show the nails through the palms. Historical Roman accounts and experimental work have established that the nails were driven between the small bones of the wrists (radial and ulna) and not through the palms.

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/5412/wrists1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/571/wrists1.jpg/)

http://youtu.be/Oxt4Qq76vB0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Temptation_of_Christ_(film)

bush doctor

23-08-2011, 08:20 PM

Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani,

any thoughts on this one :)

Obviously Lama is a well known word,

Lama (Tibetan: བླ་མ་; Wylie: bla-ma; "chief" or "high priest" is a title for a Tibetan teacher of the Dharma. The name is similar to the Sanskrit term guru.:)

From an allegorical analysis this appears to be the death of the Sun at the winter Solstice Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" = the Sun is at its shortest day in the northern hemisphere with Mankind afraid of the coming darkness.

http://www.riverofstars.net/images/WinterSolstice2003.jpg

The Crucifixion of Christ, On The Cross, refers to the Cross in the Constellation of Cygnus(the Swan) which lies in the same sector with Capricorn.

The Two Thieves that are crucified with the Savior(Sun) refer to the Equinoxes. The one on the Right Hand is the Vernal Equinox. The one on the Left Hand(who bad mouthed the savior) is the Autumnal Equinox . The Equinoxes are referred to as thieves, because they are thieves of time. They still Time from each other. When the Sun intersects either equinox, for that day of crossing, Time(Daytime and Nighttime) on the planet is brought into equilibrium, at twelve hours. We have twelve hours of light and twelve hours of darkness, on the day of the Equinox. In the case of the Vernal Equinox(which represents light), He, on the second day after the sun’s crossing, Steals Time from the Autumnal Equinox(which represents darkness) and from this point, the world continues to have more light(daytime) than darkness, until the Sun crosses the Autumnal Equinox. When the Sun crosses the Autumnal Equinox, this thief(autumnal equinox) repeats the crime(theft of time) in the favor of increased Darkness.”

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FCJpyuxMQGM/TgF9Pm9vuKI/AAAAAAAAAMc/-pYmrFOnABs/s1600/astrology_discovery_large.jpg

The celebration of Christ's death and rebirth is held around the vernal Equinox as this is the death of darkness and rebirth of the new season of light and life.

http://celticmysteryschool.com/llugh-bw..jpg

http://www.thechristmyth.com/excerpts%20bkbglie4.htm

lightgiver

14-09-2011, 12:55 AM

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://youtu.be/RvyhNwmzhPs

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://youtu.be/_rG5wcgWsHE

thethinkingrebel

14-09-2011, 06:11 PM

"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU4gBXPHyQ0&feature=related

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayings_of_Jesus_on_the_cross

Why he said it know one knows,,,maybe he was wanting death and be free of the body at this point.

Bon Pâques :)

No, we know exactly why he said it. He took upon himself the sins of the world, God hates sin, God left him. He then took God's wrath upon him.

lightgiver

14-09-2011, 06:18 PM

No, we know exactly why he said it. He took upon himself the sins of the world, God hates sin, God left him. He then took God's wrath upon him.

More like peoples bad karma.

...if we see others in trouble, although we cannot immediately take their suffering upon ourselves, we should make the wish to be able to relieve them from their misfortunes. Prayers like this will bear fruit eventually. Again, if others have very strong afflictive emotions, we should think, 'May all their emotions be concentrated in me.' With fervent conviction, we should persist in thinking like this until we have some sign or feeling that we have been able to take upon ourselves the suffering and emotions of others. This might take the form of an increase in our own emotions or of the actual experience of the suffering and pain of others.

Tonglen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

bush doctor

20-09-2011, 09:07 PM

No, we know exactly why he said it. He took upon himself the sins of the world, God hates sin, God left him. He then took God's wrath upon him.

A very old post a "knee jerk" unenlightened view, as you read on in the post you will discover my current opinion.

All the heroes or victims "ancient and modern" are representational of the constellations and there cyclical symbiosis with our planet.

The myths and legends of great men and battles of good and evil are the theatre of the astral calendar, when Taurus rises in the night sky the learned would order out the plough.

http://www.clarkfoundation.org/astro-utah/vondel/images/TaurusArt.gif

Astrotheology in the bible 1 Mazzerroth, zodiac, astrology, allegory, hiding in the bible! - YouTube

octopusrex

21-09-2011, 05:20 PM

A fellow from down south who speaks Mayan tells me that this phrase has a real meaning in the Nahual language but he is not telling me what it means.

Probably something like... Some some weed and be happy.

lightgiver

16-11-2011, 09:06 PM

lightgiver

16-11-2011, 09:25 PM

logos880

16-11-2011, 09:26 PM

In contrast to the canonical gospels which paint Judas as a betrayer of Christ who delivered him up to the authorities for crucifixion, the Gospel of Judas portrays Judas's actions as done in obedience to instructions given by Christ. The document also suggests that Christ planned the course of events which led to his death. This portrayal seems to conform to a notion current in some forms of Gnosticism, that the human form is a spiritual prison, that Judas thus served Christ by helping to release Christ's soul from its physical constraints, and that two kinds of human beings exist: the men furnished with the immortal soul which is "from the eternal realms" and "will abide there always" ("the strong and holy generation...with no ruler over it", to whom Judas belongs), and the other ones, the majority of mankind, who are mortal and therefore unable to reach the salvation. The Gospel of Judas does not claim that the other disciples knew about Jesus's true teachings. On the contrary, it asserts that they had not learned the true Gospel, which Jesus taught only to Judas Iscariot, the sole follower belonging to the "holy generation" among the disciples.

So we should all just commit suicide? And, if that is the case, why did Jesus need to be crucified? Why not just jump off a cliff??

lightgiver

16-11-2011, 09:29 PM

The Gospel of Mary is an apocryphal book discovered in 1896 in a 5th-century papyrus codex. The codex Papyrus Berolinensis 8502 was purchased in Cairo by German scholar Karl Reinhardt.

Although the work is popularly known as the Gospel of Mary, it is not Canonical nor is it technically classed as a gospel by scholastic consensus. For example, Andrew Bernhard notes in his text-critical edition of non-canonical gospels that, "the term 'gospel' is used as a label for any written text that is primarily focused on recounting the teachings and/or activities of Jesus during his adult life."

Papyrus Berolinensis 8502, also known as the Akhmim Codex, also contains the Apocryphon of John, the Sophia of Jesus Christ, and a summary of the Act of Peter. All four works contained in the manuscript are written in Sahidic. Two other fragments of the Gospel of Mary have been discovered since, both written in Greek (Papyrus Oxyrhynchus L 3525 and Papyrus Rylands 463). P.Oxy. L 3525 "... was in fact found by Grenfell and Hunt some time between 1897 and 1906, but only published in 1983," by PJ Parsons...

King also argues in favour of naming Mary Magdalene as the central figure in the Gospel of Mary. She summarizes: “It was precisely the traditions of Mary as a woman, as an exemplary disciple, a witness to the ministry of Jesus, a visionary of the glorified Jesus, and someone traditionally in contest with Peter, that made her the only figure who could play all the roles required to convey the messages and meanings of the Gospel of Mary.

lightgiver

16-11-2011, 09:39 PM

Taken from The Robots' Rebellion

The Cathars had also denied that Jesus died on the cross and they were eliminated for that reason more than any other. I feel the much talked-about Cathar ‘treasure’ was the proof that Jesus survived the cross. This story goes on to this day because the Brotherhood elite is still determined to crown a ‘World King’ who descends from the bloodline of Jesus, something they inherited via the Templars, who believed that the Merovingians descended from the blood line of King David, through Jesus and his children.

This is why they were so keen to put the Merovingians back on the French throne, and this was another incentive for King Philip to be rid of them. It was thought the Merovingian blood line had died out after they lost the Frankish throne in the 8th century, but the Cathars and the Templars knew differently. Today, somewhere in the world, the Brotherhood, or some elements of it, are possibly preparing a person who they claim to be from the David, Jesus, Merovingian, blood line to become ‘World King’.

thethinkingrebel

16-11-2011, 09:41 PM

In contrast to the canonical gospels which paint Judas as a betrayer of Christ who delivered him up to the authorities for crucifixion, the Gospel of Judas portrays Judas's actions as done in obedience to instructions given by Christ. The document also suggests that Christ planned the course of events which led to his death. This portrayal seems to conform to a notion current in some forms of Gnosticism, that the human form is a spiritual prison, that Judas thus served Christ by helping to release Christ's soul from its physical constraints, and that two kinds of human beings exist: the men furnished with the immortal soul which is "from the eternal realms" and "will abide there always" ("the strong and holy generation...with no ruler over it", to whom Judas belongs), and the other ones, the majority of mankind, who are mortal and therefore unable to reach the salvation. The Gospel of Judas does not claim that the other disciples knew about Jesus's true teachings. On the contrary, it asserts that they had not learned the true Gospel, which Jesus taught only to Judas Iscariot, the sole follower belonging to the "holy generation" among the disciples.

Yes I've read it. It completely denies the validity of the Jewish scriptures. Ya'know, "sin"? Gnosticism is about as helpful as evolution. it does nothing but take away from scripture rather than add to it, and it brings in contradictions. The canonical Gospels acknowledge that Satan entered Judas. Yet this gospel says Jesus talked him into it. It always takes away from the prophecies of Isaiah [who has been right about everything else] that said he would be BETRAYED for 30 pieces of silver. It just shows Satan twisting the scriptures trying to create his own gospels.

lightgiver

16-11-2011, 09:45 PM

The Last Temptation of Christ, 1988, by Martin Scorsese - YouTube
http://youtu.be/EJvRdwqctn0

Jesus and Paul...

The Last Temptation of Christ - clip - Jesus defends Mary - YouTube
http://youtu.be/747U-5FclqM

Jesus defends Mary ...

lightgiver

17-11-2011, 12:22 AM

Many people may be surprised to read that Moses and the Pharaoh Ankhnaten were one and the same person. However, this information was common knowledge among those whose ancestors had been taught by the secret societies of the Middle Ages. In fact, the information about Moses being the Pharaoh Ankhnaten was such common knowledge in the early part of the last century, that even Sigmund Freud wrote a book about it.

Most people’s knowledge about the spiritual history of the western world comes from the Bible. But, what is the Bible, when was it written and under what conditions?

The Bible is the allegorically written history about one of the 8 tribes of the white race which spread out from Sumer. (Allegorical - “the representation of spiritual, moral, or other abstract meanings through the actions of fictional characters that serve as symbols” - Webster’s Dictionary). The Bible is the allegorically written history of only one of the original 8 tribes who left Sumer, (present day Iraq), to go forth and populate the Middle East, Europe and North Africa.

The original tribe of the Jewish people in the Bible consisted of 3 main families: “Hebrews”, “Israelites” and “Egyptians”. The Hebrews went to Palestine while the Israelites and Egyptians went to Egypt. The age of the Patriarchs in the Bible, is a description of the golden age of the Pharaohs, and is about important figures from ancient Israelite and Egyptian family history.

http://www.thetruejesus.org/jesus/historic_connection.htm

lightgiver

17-11-2011, 12:40 AM

The Gospel According to Thomas, commonly shortened to the Gospel of Thomas, is a well preserved early Christian, non-canonical sayings-gospel discovered near Nag Hammadi, Egypt, in December 1945, in one of a group of books known as the Nag Hammadi library. The Gospel of Thomas was found among a collection of fifty-two writings that included, in addition to an excerpt from Plato's Republic, gospels claiming to have been written by Jesus' disciple Philip. Scholars have speculated that the works were buried in response to a letter from the bishop Athanasius who for the first time declared a strict canon of Christian scripture...

The Gospel of Thomas is very different in tone and structure from other New Testament apocrypha and the four Canonical Gospels. Unlike the canonical Gospels, it is not a narrative account of the life of Jesus; instead, it consists of logia (sayings) attributed to Jesus, sometimes stand-alone, sometimes embedded in short dialogues or parables. The text contains a possible allusion to the death of Jesus in logion 65 (Parable of the Wicked Tenants, paralleled in the Synoptic Gospels), but doesn't mention crucifixion, resurrection, or final judgement; nor does it mention a messianic understanding of Jesus. Since its discovery, many scholars see it as a proof for the existence of the so-called Q source, which might have been very similar in its form as a collection of sayings of Jesus without any accounts of his deeds or his life and death, a so-called "sayings gospel"

"[The Naassenes] speak...of a nature which is both hidden and revealed at the same time and which they call the thought-for kingdom of heaven which is in a human being. They transmit a tradition concerning this in the Gospel entitled "According to Thomas," which states expressly, "The one who seeks me will find me in children of seven years and older, for there, hidden in the fourteenth aeon, I am revealed."

lightgiver

18-11-2011, 10:29 PM

Eloi, Eloi, Lama Sabachthani is a short story by William Hope Hodgson, first published in 1919 under the title The Baumoff Explosive. This story is one of Hodgson's most powerful and disturbing, and is especially relevant to modern times because of its themes of blasphemy, religious mania, obsession with the Crucifixion of Jesus, and suicide bombing...

The story is told using a framework or "story within a story", a method used by Hodgson in many of his stories. It is learned in the framework story that a strange new explosive has been developed. Invented by a man named Baumoff, this substance has the effect of creating a temporary area of darkness, into which light does not readily pass...

The main body of the story describes the narrator's meeting with Baumoff, who is described as a scientist who is also profoundly Christian and obsessed with the crucifixion. Baumoff believes that events following Christ's death (the darkening of the sky, the rending of the temple curtain, and shaking of the ground, as described in the gospels) have a rational, scientific basis. This basis is the ability of the human psyche to affect the aether and impede the transmission of light. Baumoff displays a tiny quantity of a chemical compound which, when crushed and burned, creates a region of temporary darkness...

Baumoff then goes on to demonstrate what happens when the substance is "burned" (metabolized) within his own body. While the narrator watches in horror, Baumoff's heart rate and respiration increase dangerously, and he begins driving metal spikes into his hands and feet to simulate the pain of Christ's crucifixion. The narrator begs him to stop his demonstration, but Baumoff insists that the narrator only observe and take careful note. The flickering darkness returns, and the house begins to shake. Baumoff begins to imagine that he is reliving Christ's final hours, which by putting himself in the place of Christ, verges on blasphemy; as he describes what he is imagining, the narrator himself sees a vision of Christ carrying the cross. Baumoff screams some of Christ's last words on the cross, "Eloi, Eloi, Lama Sabachthani?" ("My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?")

As the pain of his self-inflicted torture reaches its maximum, a gasping Baumoff cries out Christ's words again. The cry is repeated a second time, but this time by a mocking, demonic voice. In the darkness, the building shakes, and the narrator is knocked unconscious. When he awakens, he finds Baumoff dead, his face distorted. The rational explanation is heart failure, but the narrator cannot help believing that Baumoff's blasphemy may have invited in a demonic force. We are left to ponder the implications of this strange weapon, wondering if other (willing, or unwitting) "soldiers of Christ" are being readied for torture and death...

Eloi Eloi Lama Sabachthani - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

drakul

19-11-2011, 03:15 PM

Interesting story.

Quote - This basis is the ability of the human psyche to affect the aether and impede the transmission of light.

I do think this theory has some basis in fact. I experienced something like this with my father's death (whom I idolized). You have to take into consideration how heavily his followers were emotionally/psychically invested into Jesus at the time of the crucifixion.

However Baumoff uses a chemical explosive to prove his theory. Why not use his own psychic powers? That would be more logical according to the theory. Instead Baumoff relied on a chemical substance rather than his own mind. So the story did not make sense in that regard.

hurt4ever1

19-11-2011, 03:56 PM

Eloi, Eloi, Lama Sabachthani is a short story by William Hope Hodgson, first published in 1919 under the title The Baumoff Explosive. This story is one of Hodgson's most powerful and disturbing, and is especially relevant to modern times because of its themes of blasphemy, religious mania, obsession with the Crucifixion of Jesus, and suicide bombing...

The story is told using a framework or "story within a story", a method used by Hodgson in many of his stories. It is learned in the framework story that a strange new explosive has been developed. Invented by a man named Baumoff, this substance has the effect of creating a temporary area of darkness, into which light does not readily pass...

The main body of the story describes the narrator's meeting with Baumoff, who is described as a scientist who is also profoundly Christian and obsessed with the crucifixion. Baumoff believes that events following Christ's death (the darkening of the sky, the rending of the temple curtain, and shaking of the ground, as described in the gospels) have a rational, scientific basis. This basis is the ability of the human psyche to affect the aether and impede the transmission of light. Baumoff displays a tiny quantity of a chemical compound which, when crushed and burned, creates a region of temporary darkness...

Baumoff then goes on to demonstrate what happens when the substance is "burned" (metabolized) within his own body. While the narrator watches in horror, Baumoff's heart rate and respiration increase dangerously, and he begins driving metal spikes into his hands and feet to simulate the pain of Christ's crucifixion. The narrator begs him to stop his demonstration, but Baumoff insists that the narrator only observe and take careful note. The flickering darkness returns, and the house begins to shake. Baumoff begins to imagine that he is reliving Christ's final hours, which by putting himself in the place of Christ, verges on blasphemy; as he describes what he is imagining, the narrator himself sees a vision of Christ carrying the cross. Baumoff screams some of Christ's last words on the cross, "Eloi, Eloi, Lama Sabachthani?" ("My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?")

As the pain of his self-inflicted torture reaches its maximum, a gasping Baumoff cries out Christ's words again. The cry is repeated a second time, but this time by a mocking, demonic voice. In the darkness, the building shakes, and the narrator is knocked unconscious. When he awakens, he finds Baumoff dead, his face distorted. The rational explanation is heart failure, but the narrator cannot help believing that Baumoff's blasphemy may have invited in a demonic force. We are left to ponder the implications of this strange weapon, wondering if other (willing, or unwitting) "soldiers of Christ" are being readied for torture and death...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eloi_Eloi_Lama_Sabachthani

I have thought the same thing and I have never read this story before. The reason I think this is because the origin of the cross, the way that it is upside down at the RCC, and the fact that it has left people spellbound for thousands of years now.

I recently read a book called 'Satanic Ritual Abuse', the author states that exorcisms do not work because it gives the person the belief that the demons are external and real, instead of internal and a part of the psyche that has shattered. It really sounds as if during exorcisisms they are calling "demons" 'into this realm' in a sense instead of helping the person deal with the problem internally.

knightofthegrail

19-11-2011, 03:59 PM

When did the upside down cross become emblematic of "satanism"?

hurt4ever1

19-11-2011, 04:09 PM

When did the upside down cross become emblematic of "satanism"?

That is a good question, considering it was Peter's cross which was hung upside down.

knightofthegrail

19-11-2011, 04:14 PM

That is a good question, considering it was Peter's cross which was hung upside down.

Indeed. I am wondering whether it became associated with satanism as a result of anti--roman-catholicism...after all, there are branches of protestant christianity that for a long time have called the pope "the antichrist".

hurt4ever1

19-11-2011, 07:08 PM

Indeed. I am wondering whether it became associated with satanism as a result of anti--roman-catholicism...after all, there are branches of protestant christianity that for a long time have called the pope "the antichrist".

Very true, I was raised Luthran, I feel that the protestant movement was somewhat fraudulent though because we included the Catholic creeds in our worship services weekly.

It also may have a lot to do with Hitler now that I think about it, especially since the Catholic Church backed him for a long time.

intelfail

19-11-2011, 07:32 PM

Yeah, fundamentalist Christians think God is a schizophrenic and talks to himself and refers to himself in the third person. weird innit?

drakul

19-11-2011, 07:46 PM

@knightofthegrail quote: When did the upside down cross become emblematic of "satanism"?

Satanists always take Christian symbols and reverse them. This is endemic to their practice.

lightgiver

19-11-2011, 11:23 PM

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6686/popecross.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/847/popecross.jpg/)

drakul

20-11-2011, 12:49 AM

Vatican has always been a nest of Satanic vipers. Pope also walks around with the `twisted cross'.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n2029.cfm

lightgiver

20-11-2011, 01:23 AM

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4577/doubleg.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/217/doubleg.gif/)

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2909/invertedcrosspope.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/829/invertedcrosspope.jpg/)

and what about that hat...whats all that about...

Fish god (Dagon) Pagan Roman - YouTube
http://youtu.be/hEgrbdsGmdY

hurt4ever1

20-11-2011, 02:11 AM

Woah...I just came across a post in another thread and the poster said this:

"Satan was St Peter

[Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men."

Peter's cross, upside down....thus why Peter was hung upside down on the cross-which is why it is considered Satanic.

lightgiver

20-11-2011, 02:27 AM

hurt4ever1

20-11-2011, 02:42 AM

"Reversed Cross (Upside down cross, Cross of St Peter)

The reversed cross, also known as the cross of St. Peter, has also been viewed as an emblem of Satanism, although more often by non-satanists than believers. Historically, it has been a symbol of humility, a symbol of Martyred St. Peter’s refusal to be crucified in the manner of Christ, and his preference to be hung upside down. Today,the symbol of an upturned cross may symbolize an opposition to Christian dogma, a concept borrowed from Christian writers who mistook the emblem of Peter for an anti-Christian symbol- a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy!

The inverted cross is also an esoteric symbol of reversal, and is related to the 12th key of the tarot, the hanged man."

http://symboldictionary.net/?p=1423

hurt4ever1

20-11-2011, 02:46 AM

St. Peter's Cross

"The story of St. Peter's cross.

Peter is believed to have been crucified upside down at his own request, as he did not feel worthy to die the same way as Jesus. Therefore many Christian sects use this cross as a symbol of humility. He was an early missionary in Asia Minor and the Roman Empire and founded the Church of Rome with Paul. Emperor Nero saw this new church as a threat, and began a campaign to eradicate these troublemakers. Peter was imprisoned, tortured and finally crucified. Such was his faith, it is believed, that he remarkably succeeded in persuading his sadistic captors to change from the normal way of executing prisoners. His brother, Andrew, also was crucified, and he too requested that a cross different to Christ's Latin Cross be used. Therefore we have another cross form, the "X" shaped St. Andrew's Cross. St. Peter is also often remembered through the Celtic Cross."

http://stpetersofamarillo.com/wiki/index.php5?title=St._Peter's_Cross

lightgiver

20-11-2011, 04:19 AM

St. Peter's Cross

"The story of St. Peter's cross.

Therefore many Christian sects use this cross as a symbol of humility.

http://stpetersofamarillo.com/wiki/index.php5?title=St._Peter's_Cross

Two Thousand Years of Wealth Accumulation from Caesar to the Space Age...

Jesus, the founder of Christianity, was the poorest of the poor. Roman Catholicism, which claims to be His church, is the richest of the rich, the wealthiest institution on earth.

How come, that such an institution, ruling in the name of this same itinerant preacher, whose want was such that he had not even a pillow upon which to rest his head, is now so top-heavy with riches that she can rival - indeed, that she can put to shame - the combined might of the most redoubtable financial trusts, of the most potent industrial super-giants, and of the most prosperous global corporation of the world?

It is a question that has echoed along the somber corridors of history during almost 2,000 years; a question that has puzzled, bewildered and angered in turn untold multitudes from the first centuries to our days.

The startling contradiction of the tremendous riches of the Roman Catholic Church with the direct teaching of Christ concerning their unambiguous rejection, is too glaring to be by-passed, tolerated or ignored by even the most indifferent of believers. In the past, indeed, some of the most virulent fulminations against such mammonic accumulation came from individuals whose zeal and religious fervor were second to none.Their denunciations of the wealth, pomp, luxury and worldly habits of abbots, bishops, cardinals and popes can still be heard thundering with unabated clamor at the opening of almost any page of the chequered annals of western history.

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About 14 percent of the population, or 8 million people, are classified as poor, while about 1 in 20, or 3 million people, are in what was called a state of "absolute poverty," the Italian news agency ANSA said.The institute said poverty is also a regional phenomenon, with half of the large families in southern Italy classified as poor.

http://povertynewsblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/poverty-stats-for-italy.html

http://www.cephasministry.com/catholic_vaticans_billions_1.html

knightofthegrail

20-11-2011, 05:23 AM

@knightofthegrail quote: When did the upside down cross become emblematic of "satanism"?

Satanists always take Christian symbols and reverse them. This is endemic to their practice.

Which ones do they reverse though, and for how long has this happened?

drakul

20-11-2011, 12:18 PM

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"He is said to have suffered crucifixion at Patras in Achaea, on a cross of the form called 'Crux decussate' (X-shaped cross) and commonly known as 'St Andrew's cross.' He is supposed to have told his executioners that he was not worthy to be crucified on the same cross style as Jesus, and persuaded them to alter the shape...

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True, an important point - Peter was NOT crucified on an INVERTED CROSS - but on an X CROSS. There is a big difference. Satanists use an inverted cross pointing down to hell. The Pope is also using the Inverted Cross, NOT the X Cross of St. Andrews.

drakul

20-11-2011, 12:28 PM

Which ones do they reverse though, and for how long has this happened?

Example - 'PEACE' SYMBOL OR BROKEN CROSS UPSIDE DOWN: Welcome to the seventies, flower child.

Envision the Cross of Jesus: a vertically oriented lower case "t" without the serif (curve) at the bottom -- an upright beam (the stipes) with a cross-arm (or patibulum). Then invert the Cross then break the patibulum down on both sides. Now, the Cross is head down, the patibulum broken with both halves pointing downward, all away from God and toward Hell.

Inductees into satanism may be given a trinket cross for inverting and breaking the patibulum as an initiation ritual symbolic of rejecting Jesus or as having the power to break Him.

http://www.capalert.com/backtoschool/backtoschool.htm

David Icke in arguably his best book - The Biggest Secret discusses how Satanists/Reptilians co-opt positive symbols and reverse them to arouse negative forces. The Swastika being an example. It was and still is an ancient symbol in India representing positive energy and abundance.

lightgiver

20-11-2011, 06:07 PM

Lama (Tibetan: བླ་མ་, Wylie: bla-ma; "chief" or "high priest" is a title for a Tibetan teacher of the Dharma. The name is similar to the Sanskrit term guru

Historically, the term was used for venerated spiritual masters or heads of monasteries. Today the title can be used as an honorific title conferred on a monk, nun or (in the Nyingma, Kagyu and Sakya schools) advanced tantric practitioner to designate a level of spiritual attainment and authority to teach, or may be part of a title such as Dalai Lama or Panchen Lama applied to a lineage of reincarnate lamas (Tulkus).

Perhaps due to misunderstandings by early western scholars attempting to understand Tibetan Buddhism, the term Lama has historically been erroneously applied to Tibetan monks generally. Similarly, Tibetan Buddhism was referred to as Lamaism by early western scholars and travelers who perhaps did not understand that what they were witnessing was a form of Buddhism; they may also have been unaware of the distinction between Tibetan Buddhism and Bön. The term Lamaism is now considered by some to be derogatory.

In the Vajrayana practice path of Tibetan Buddhism, the lama is often the tantric spiritual guide, the guru to the aspiring Buddhist yogi or yogini. As such, the lama will then appear as one of the Three Roots (a variant of the Three Jewels), alongside the yidam and protector (who may be a dakini, dharmapala or other Buddhist deity figure).

Karmapa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

knightofthegrail

20-11-2011, 06:10 PM

Example - 'PEACE' SYMBOL OR BROKEN CROSS UPSIDE DOWN: Welcome to the seventies, flower child.

Envision the Cross of Jesus: a vertically oriented lower case "t" without the serif (curve) at the bottom -- an upright beam (the stipes) with a cross-arm (or patibulum). Then invert the Cross then break the patibulum down on both sides. Now, the Cross is head down, the patibulum broken with both halves pointing downward, all away from God and toward Hell.

Inductees into satanism may be given a trinket cross for inverting and breaking the patibulum as an initiation ritual symbolic of rejecting Jesus or as having the power to break Him.

http://www.capalert.com/backtoschool/backtoschool.htm

David Icke in arguably his best book - The Biggest Secret discusses how Satanists/Reptilians co-opt positive symbols and reverse them to arouse negative forces. The Swastika being an example. It was and still is an ancient symbol in India representing positive energy and abundance.

So it's a fairly new phenomenon, this whole "inverted cross means satanism" thing? Its not a symbol attached to "satanism" going back through the centuries? :confused:

drakul

20-11-2011, 06:28 PM

So it's a fairly new phenomenon, this whole "inverted cross means satanism" thing? Its not a symbol attached to "satanism" going back through the centuries? :confused:

Using the Inverted Cross as a peace symbol is a modern example. You can probably find older examples of the Inverted Cross if you do some research. :rolleyes:

lightgiver

20-11-2011, 06:39 PM

Gruber and Kersten (1995) claim that Buddhism had a substantial influence on the life and teachings of Jesus. They claim that Jesus was influenced by the teachings and practices of Therapeutae, described by the authors as teachers of the Buddhist Theravada school then living in Judaea. They assert that Jesus lived the life of a Buddhist and taught Buddhist ideals to his disciples; their work follows in the footsteps of the Oxford New Testament scholar Barnett Hillman Streeter, who established as early as the 1930s that the moral teaching of the Buddha has four remarkable resemblances to the Sermon on the Mount."

Some scholars believe that Jesus may have been inspired by the Buddhist religion and that the Gospel of Thomas and many Nag Hammadi texts reflect this possible influence. Books such as The Gnostic Gospels and Beyond Belief: the Secret Gospel of Thomas by Elaine Pagels and The Original Jesus by Gruber and Kersten discuss these theories...

lightgiver

20-11-2011, 06:53 PM

There have been various claims that Jesus travelled to Britain during his lost years. One such claim was made by Gordon Strachan in his book Jesus the Master Builder: Druid Mysteries and the Dawn of Christianity (1998), which was the basis of the documentary titled And Did Those Feet (2009).

lightgiver

20-11-2011, 09:15 PM

The Living Gospel (also Great Gospel, Gospel of the Living and variants) was a 3rd century gnostic gospel written by Mani. It was originally written in Syriac and called the Evangelion (Syriac: ܐܘܢܓܠܝܘܢ), from the Greek: Ευαγγελιον ("Evangel") and one of the seven original scriptures of Manichaeism. A number of fragments are preserved in the Cologne Mani-Codex (discovered 1969) and on manuscript fragments found in Turfan beginning in 1904. Some Coptic manuscript fragments recovered at Fayyum appear to contain a sort of commentary or homily on the gospel...

It is known that the gospel had 22 parts, each labelled by a different letter of the Aramaic alphabet. The combination of two Turfan fragments allows the reconstruction of the text of the first part (alaph). The section deals with the nature of the "King of the World of Light" who resides at the "Navel of the World" but is also present on his whole earth, from without as from within, having no limits except where his earth borders on that of his enemy, the "Kingdom of Darkness". Schneemelcher (1990) suggests tentatively that the text may have been designed as a gospel of the gnostic type, perhaps intended to comment on or replace the Christian gospel...

Gospel of Mani - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver

20-11-2011, 09:19 PM

Tibetan Buddhists believe that saying the mantra (prayer), Om Mani Padme Hum, out loud or silently to oneself, invokes the powerful benevolent attention and blessings of Chenrezig, the embodiment of compassion. Viewing the written form of the mantra is said to have the same effect -- it is often carved into stones, and placed where people can see them...

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2906/ommanipadmehum.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/ommanipadmehum.gif/)

Spinning the written form of the mantra around in a Mani wheel (or prayer wheel) is also believed to give the same benefit as saying the mantra, and Mani wheels, small hand wheels and large wheels with millions of copies of the mantra inside, are found everywhere in the lands influenced by Tibetan Buddhism...

lightgiver

21-11-2011, 03:22 AM

Contrary to popular notion the nails which held Jesus to the cross must have been driven into His wrists and not his palms. Jesus' nails would have been made of heavy, probably square, iron material, 7-9 inches long. Many great painters from the past have depicted Jesus being nailed through His palms to the cross; it is a medical impossibility for this to be the case. You may have to really work your mind to grasp the enormity of what was going on here. The weight of a fully grown man was going to be suspended by three nails...

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Not all crucifixions were carried out in the same way; some victims were tied to the cross while others were nailed. Jesus was nailed. He was made to carry the cross-bar to the place of His execution. The upright post (stipe) was a permanent fixture. The crossbar (patibulum) was always carried to the location, not the complete cross as is often depicted...

Jesus of Nazareth (38 of 41) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/ztuat86t3-w

When Jesus got to the place of His execution, He was placed on His back with His arms outstretched. The nails were first driven through small wooden disks to eliminate any chance of the heads pulling through the flesh. The site of the incision in the arm was critical; the Romans had perfected the procedure, a very specific procedure. The legionnaire who had been given the task felt for a specific spot, the nail had to be driven in-between the bones of the forearm up close to the wrist while not severing any major arteries or veins. There is a space between eight small bones which is structurally suitable to permit a full body weight to be supported for a time. If the nails had been driven into the palms of the hands, under the extreme weight, they would have ripped out between the fingers...

knightofthegrail

21-11-2011, 07:22 AM

Using the Inverted Cross as a peace symbol is a modern example. You can probably find older examples of the Inverted Cross if you do some research. :rolleyes:

I have been doing, but so far I've found no historical evidence of the "inverted cross" being a "satanic" symbol prior to the 1960s.

lightgiver

21-11-2011, 07:07 PM

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lightgiver

21-11-2011, 07:13 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8914718416036384429

Michael Tsarion Irish Origins Civilization Excerpt Coronation Queen Elizabeth II:

Michael Tsarion discusses the historical significance of ancient Ireland and takes us on a truly fascinating journey through time, from the Emerald Isle to Egypt and back again full circle. Along the way we are introduced to the Druids and also to their destroyers, the Atonists. We discover the origins of the world’s most powerful secret societies and the New World Order they labor to create. We discover secret facts about the royal dynasties of Britain and Europe, the Empire of Rome, and about Masonic influence in America...

lightgiver

21-11-2011, 08:00 PM

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lightgiver

21-11-2011, 09:33 PM

Mountain Ash, Glamorgan, Wales (1926) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/nOal1HYlRag

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glamorgan

lightgiver

22-11-2011, 04:03 PM

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The Egyptian god Ptah is given the title ḏū gitti 'Lord of Gath' in a prism from Lachish which has on its opposite face the name of Amenhotep II (c. 1435–1420 BCE) The title ḏū gitti is also found in Serābitṭ text 353. Cross (1973, p. 19) points out that Ptah is often called the lord (or one) of eternity and thinks it may be this identification of ʼĒl with Ptah that lead to the epithet ’olam 'eternal' being applied to ʼĒl so early and so consistently. (However in the Ugaritic texts Ptah is seemingly identified instead with the craftsman god Kothar-wa-Khasis.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(deity)

lightgiver

22-11-2011, 04:57 PM

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There are some parallels between the traditional stories of Krishna and Christ (not to mention the similar names). The Hindus were well aware of the Greeks, and the Egyptian Hermetic and Gnostic schools were more than likely influenced by Hinduism. Buddhism and Christianity have more in common than their adherents are usually willing to admit. It may not have happened exactly as in Notovitch claimed, and there may not be an 'Issa Sutra' gathering dust in some remote Tibetan lamasery. However, there are many points of similarity between the first millennium religious movements of the Near East and India which remain to be explored.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/uljc/index.htm

danny fremen

22-11-2011, 05:51 PM

Hello all,

If the translation, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" is accurate, it makes perfect sense.

Why?

The spirit-being called Christ/Prince Michael, inside the human body called Jesus (Yeshua), would normally call God "Father" (Abba), not "God" (Eli).

I don't think there's any need to quote examples of this to those who are familiar with the Gospels.

This is because God IS the Father of the spirit-being. Christ told His disciples to pray as follows: "Our Father...". Which means God is also the Father of every spirit-being on earth, not just Christ. He is the Creator of animals (including humans), but Creator AND Father of spirit-beings, that were made in His likeness. Human+beings.

So, please note the difference. From calling Him Father (like spirit-beings do), to calling Him God (like humans do):-

Once Christ, the spirit-being, had left the human body called Jesus, all that would remain was the human body, which then felt abandoned, and hence asked why it had been forsaken. And it didn't call God "Father" because God is not the Father of humans (as explained above). A few moments later, the human body called Jesus died. No human can survive without the spirit-being inside it.

Jesus taught that people must be born again from above, as their spirit-being, which means to realize they are not human and become their real self. It is then that God manifests Himself to you, becomes a Father to you, again, and you can begin to have a proper relationship with Him, and get to know Him (instead of just believing or disbelieving in Him, which is not much good to anyone). His interest is in the spirit-being, not the human and its ego. The human vessel and the ego that is Satan's image are there as a means to an end, so they may be overcome with your freewill, and in doing so, learn an invaluable lesson, but they do not live forever.

Should add that the so-called "born again" religion is totally human and false, and is simply one more diversion from the truth and a trap to truth-seekers, like all other religions. Being born again, and crucifying the self daily, is a discipline, not a religion. And you do it by observing The Law and Christ's commandments/teachings, which can only be followed by the spirit-being, not the human. In denying the human and its ego, and keeping to The Law and Christ's commandments, daily, the spirit-being grows stronger and is born again all the time, from above.

He had taken up his cross (his "Self") DAILY and followed his Lord's Example of crucifying his "Self" on the 'cross of "Self"-sacrifice'. Your "Self" is the cross YOU have to bear and carry about until it is crucified and leaves you free from its insatiable demands and burdens, that weigh you down and make you stumble and make your life selfish and a misery. This means killing the "Self" DAILY and obviously does NOT mean committing suicide, as you cannot commit suicide every day.

This dying DAILY, all day, every day, to "Self" - the destroying of your own individual "Self"-ishness can ONLY be achieved by following Christ's Teaching exactly and NOT Paul's or the christian church's teaching.

http://jahtruth.net/noti.htm

Someone on this thread inquired about Christ's earlier statements of the beloved disciple beholding his mother, and the mother beholding her son. That is because Mary had a total of at least 7 children, and was not a perpetual virgin as the RC likes to make people believe, so that they can get people praying to the "Queen of Heaven" (condemned by Jeremiah) instead of to Father, who can actually receive the messages and help people, unlike Mary. The RC might not torture and murder people like they used to (although no-one can rightfully deny the plague of paedophile priests), but their false doctrine itself is subvertive enough to assist the Devil in forcing his agenda for this world, since it prevents hundreds of millions of people from getting to know their true Father and putting the world right with His Guidance.

There is no record of Christ ever calling Mary His "mother". He always referred to her as "woman". Because He was the spirit-being inside the human son of Mary, but not the human son of Mary itself. Only when He had left the human son of Mary, did the human speak those words, "Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachthani", before expiring.

This is all reminiscent of part of the story about Adam (men) and Eve (women) in the Garden. For as long as they did not forget they were spirit-beings, they would walk around with their human bodies unclothed and did not feel naked. Why? Because the human bodies were their (the spirit-being's) clothes.

Only when they began to listen to, and believe the Devil (Liar), did they forget they were spirit-beings, and when that happened they became their human bodies, and of course, felt naked.

The biggest lie the Devil ever told was that "we are only human".

Thomas 11. Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. During the days when you ate what is dead, you made it come alive. When you are in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one, you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"*

* On the day you thought you were just one person, you discovered you were actually two. And when you discover that, which of the two will you choose to be? To be (the spirit-being), or not to be (the spirit-being, and instead be your human and ego), that is the question.

http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net

lightgiver

22-11-2011, 06:15 PM

Hello all,

If the translation, "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" is accurate, it makes perfect sense.

Why?

Can you find the translation from Aramaic to English...:)

This may help you...http://www.ancientscripts.com/aramaic.html

lightgiver

23-11-2011, 11:33 PM

Aghori 1/6 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/W0bGrvKVxac

The Sanskrit terms sādhu ("good man") and sādhvī ("good woman") refer to renouncers who have chosen to live a life apart from or on the edges of society in order to focus on their own spiritual practice...

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Sādhus often wear ochre-colored clothing, symbolizing their sanyāsa (renunciation)...Ochre is the term for both a golden-yellow or light yellow brown colour and for a form of earth pigment which produces the colour to create a reddish tint known as "red ochre"...

lightgiver

24-11-2011, 09:34 PM

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lightgiver

25-11-2011, 02:22 AM

Phoenicia from the Greek: Φοινίκη: Phoiníkē), was an ancient civilization in Canaan which covered most of the western, coastal part of the Fertile Crescent... Several major Phoenician cities were built on the coastline of the Mediterranean. It was an enterprising maritime trading culture that spread across the Mediterranean from 1550 BC to 300 BC... The Phoenicians used the galley, a man-powered sailing vessel, and are credited with the invention of the bireme... They were famed in Classical Greece and Rome as 'traders in purple', referring to their monopoly on the precious purple dye of the Murex snail, used, among other things, for royal clothing, and for their spread of the alphabet (or abjad), upon which all major modern alphabets are derived...

In the Amarna tablets of the 14th century BC, people from the region called themselves Kenaani or Kinaani (Canaanites), although these letters predate the invasion of the Sea Peoples by over a century... Much later, in the 6th century BC, Hecataeus of Miletus writes that Phoenicia was formerly called χνα, a name Philo of Byblos later adopted into his mythology as his eponym for the Phoenicians: "Khna who was afterwards called Phoinix"... Egyptian seafaring expeditions had already been made to Byblos to bring back "cedars of Lebanon" as early as the third millennium BC...

Though ancient boundaries of such city-centered cultures fluctuated, the city of Tyre seems to have been the southernmost. Sarepta (modern day Sarafand) between Sidon and Tyre is the most thoroughly excavated city of the Phoenician homeland... The Phoenicians were the first state-level society to make extensive use of the alphabet... The Phoenician phonetic alphabet is generally believed to be the ancestor of almost all modern alphabets, although it did not contain any vowels (these were added later by the Greeks). From a traditional linguistic perspective, they spoke Phoenician, a Canaanite dialect...

Phoenicia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver

25-11-2011, 08:11 PM

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As the flood waters receded after the Venus/Mars cataclysm the survivors came down from the mountains and up from within the Earth. They settled on the lowlands and plains and began to rebuild. This was when Sumer, Egypt and the civilization in the Indus Valley suddenly appeared at a very high level of technological advancement, although they had existed before and were now restored after the upheavals...

The Brotherhood which controls the world today is the modern expression of the Babylonian Brotherhood of reptile-Aryan priests and ‘royalty’ which came together there after the flood. It was in Babylon in this post-flood period from around 6,000 years ago that the foundation beliefs - manipulated beliefs - of today’s world religions were established to control and rule the people...

The Chair of St Peter in the Vatican was claimed to be a holy relic, but in 1968 it was exposed by a scientific commission as being no older than the 9th century...

lightgiver

25-11-2011, 10:09 PM

The Biggest Secret - Chapter 1...

Ancient skeletons found near Stonehenge in England and along the west coast of France display the nasal and spinal characteristics of many female Africans. Desborough says that Mars, then with a climate very much like ours, had a white race before the Venus cataclysm. His research has convinced him that the white Martians built the pyramids which have been recorded on Mars and they went to war with an advanced black race to conquer the Earth. These wars, he says, are the wars of the ‘gods’ described in endless ancient texts, not least the Hindu Vedas.

Desborough adds that after the cataclysm, the white Martians who had settled on Earth were stranded here without their technology and with their home planet devastated. These white Martians, he says, became the white peoples of the Earth. Fascinatingly, some scientists claim that when white people are immersed in sensory deprivation tanks for long periods, their circadian rhythm has a frequency of 24 hours 40 minutes, which corresponds not to the rotational period of the Earth, but of Mars!This is not the case with non-white races who are in tune with the Earth’s rotation.

Desborough believes that these white Martians were the highly advanced race of the ancient world known as the Phoenicians or Aryans and they began the long process of returning to their former technological power after the upheavals which destroyed the surface of their own planet and devastated this one. My own research supports this basic theme, although, like everyone seeking the truth of what happened, I have many questions.

A white race, known as the Phoenicians and other names, was certainly the ‘brains’ behind the Egyptian civilization, at least from the period around 3,000 BC, and the Giza Plateau, where the Great Pyramid was built, was formerly known as El-Kahira, a name which derived from the Arabic noun, El-Kahir, their name for... Mars.

Ancient texts reveal that the measurement of time was much related to Mars, and March 15th, the Ides of March (Mars), was a key date in their Mars-related calendar, as was October 26th.

The first marked the start of Spring and the second was the end of the year in the Celtic calendar. The Holy Grail stories of King Arthur connect with this theme, also. Camelot apparently means Martian City or City of Mars

Brian Desborough, “The Great Pyramid Mystery, Tomb, Occult Initiation Center, Or What?”, a document supplied to the author and also published in the The California Sun newspaper, Los Angeles.

lightgiver

25-11-2011, 10:11 PM

The Biggest Secret - Chapter 1...

The survivors fell into two main categories, those of mostly extraterrestrial origin who retained the advanced knowledge, and humans, the slave race in general, who did not. The former also fell into two camps. There were those who wished to use their knowledge positively and communicate their information to humanity, and those who sought to hoard the knowledge and use it to manipulate and control. The struggle between those two groups over the use of the same knowledge continues to this very day. As societies recovered from those upheavals of 11,000 BC, the other cataclysms brought more devastation over the thousands of years that followed and humanity was faced with many new beginnings.

lightgiver

26-11-2011, 11:33 PM

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lightgiver

27-11-2011, 09:27 PM

Frank Zappa - Jewish Princess - YouTube
http://youtu.be/zF4N-lvduG0

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70% British/Irish/Scottish men related to Pharaoh Tutankhamun...

http://youtu.be/zF4N-lvduG0

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060097449&postcount=71

lightgiver

28-11-2011, 09:09 PM

Half of European men share King Tut's DNA - YouTube
http://youtu.be/5Vg2BMkEjR0

Darkness will be preferred to light, and death will be thought more profitable than life; no one will raise his eyes to heaven ; the pious will be deemed insane, and the impious wise; the madman will be thought a brave man, and the wicked will be esteemed as good. As to the soul, and the belief that it is immortal by nature, or may hope to attain to immortality, as I have taught you, all this they will mock at, and will even persuade themselves that it is false., No word of reverence or piety, no utterance worthy of heaven and of the gods of heaven, will be heard or believed...

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/03/RIR-110318.php

lightgiver

29-11-2011, 01:15 AM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auraicept_na_n-%C3%89ces

lightgiver

30-11-2011, 03:33 AM

How the Irish got their language and their freckles - YouTube
http://youtu.be/HFAdaLKxrI8

Taken from the Auricept na n'Eces, the pre-Christian history of the origins of the Irish people and their language.

The Origin of the Irish Language...

When the Gods saw the sons of Adam were building a great tower in the city of Ur in the land of babylon. They said, "behold, they are become like us, let us go down and destroy their great tower and confuse their languages so that they will forget who they are".

The Gaels, who had been down in Babylon at that time, were third in the line when then new languages were being handed out by the Gods, and they were given that most beautiful language, which is the language we know today as Gaelige. Perfect in syntax and in tonality.

"Where are ye from, lads?" said one of the Gods...

"We are from the land of the Gael, a small island in the far west at the edge of the great ocean where once stood fair Atlantis."

"Ah," said the God, "you will never see the stars in the Heavens, and you will soon forget us."

The God thought for a moment, "Behold, I will draw on you a map of the Universe, so that you will remember us in the dark nights when you cannot see the stars because of the mist which covers your small island." And, with that he threw out his hand over the Gael and sprinkled a fine dust over them which left them covered in freckles- 'briciní' which in Irish means 'little stars'.

"At the end of time, when the last of the Gaels are gathered on the Hill at Uisneach, which will be the last hill standing in Ireland at that time, you will form a complete map of the entire universe, and in that moment, you will remember everything."

lightgiver

01-12-2011, 08:02 PM

The Quest for The Phoenicians Pt1 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/l_z6b_xwS9M

Phoenician civilization was an enterprising maritime trading culture that spread across the Mediterranean during the first millennium BC, between the period of 1200 BC to 900 BC...

The Quest for The Phoenicians pt2

The Quest for The Phoenicians pt2 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/VYJk4hbkzQw

The Quest for The Phoenicians Pt3

The Quest for The Phoenicians Pt3 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/XxeOaFb5IlQ

The Quest for The Phoenicians pt4

The Quest for The Phoenicians pt4 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/P96aCgqy6Vg

The Quest for The Phoenicians pt5

The Quest for The Phoenicians pt5 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/po0x3RWmu5U

The Quest for The Phoenicians pt6

The Quest for The Phoenicians pt6 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/dYcKx5NIBr8

lightgiver

02-12-2011, 01:55 AM

The Armenian alphabet, which consists of 39 characters, representing 36 sounds, was created in 405 AD by a scholar and monk named Mesrop Mashtots (the original alphabet had 36 letters, three characters were added later). The first work of literature with the new alphabet was the translation of the Bible from Greek... This translation has been since regarded as a masterpiece by many linguists...

The Evolution of The Armenian Alphabet...
The Evolution of The Armenian Alphabet - YouTube
http://youtu.be/bElU-km8H4k

Indo-European Armenia ...

Indo-European Armenia - YouTube
http://youtu.be/RmtZ8sCePDw

This inference is supported by what is known about the portion of the Indo-European community that remained after the Anatolian family had broken away. From that community came the languages that persisted into written history... The first to branch off was the Greek-Armenian-Indo-lranian language community...

http://translation-blog.trustedtranslations.com/armenian-an-independent-branch-of-the-indo-european-language-family-2009-07-06.html

lightgiver

02-12-2011, 09:00 PM

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The Bower Manuscript is named after H. Bower who, being then a lieutenant, obtained it early in the year 1890, in Kucā, from a local inhabitant during a confidential mission from the Government of India. Kucā is the name of one of the principal oases and settlements of Eastern Turkestan (part of China), on the ancient great caravan route to China. The MS was found by native treasure- seekers in a stūpa close to the Ming Öi (the "Thousand Houses", a system of rock-cut grottos with Buddhist shrines) of Qum Turā about 13 (or 16) miles from Kucā, in February 1890. On his return to India, Lieutenant Bower took the MS to Simla, whence it was forwarded to Colonel J. Waterhouse, who was then the President of the Asiatic Society of Bengal. Colonel Waterhouse exhibited the MS at the monthly meeting of the Society on November 5, 1890, when also a note from Lieutenant Bower was read, explaining the circumstances of the discovery. After the meeting some attempts were made to decipher the MS, but they proved unsuccessful.

However, a German Indologist, G. Bühler, succeeded in reading and translating two leaves of the MS, reproduced in the form of heliogravures in the Proceedings of the Asiatic Society of Bengal. Immediately after his return to India in February 1891, A. F. R. Hoernle began to study the MS. At the meeting of the Society in April 1891, he was able to communicate the first decipherment. The Government of India sanctioned, in 1892, Hoernle's proposal to prepare a complete edition of the text, illustrated with facsimile plates, and accompanied by an annotated English translation. The first part of the edition appeared in 1893, the second part (in two fasciculi) in 1894-95, and the remaining parts in 1897.

After an interruption of several years, the Sanskrit Index was published in 1908, and a revised translation of the medical portions (I,II,and III) in 1909; the Introduction appeared in 1912.

lightgiver

02-12-2011, 10:17 PM

In the last part of the 20th century, a handful of archaeologists discovered a collection of symbols carved in stone as petroglyphs that appeared to be writing. Initial dating of these symbols showed that they were made over an extended period time, beginning around 1700 BC, and located on as many as five continents...

Shin (also spelled Šin (šīn) or Sheen) is the twenty-first letter in many Semitic abjads, including Phoenician , Aramaic/Hebrew ש, and Arabic ﺵ (in abjadi order, 13th in modern order). Its sound value is a voiceless sibilant, IPA: [ʃ] or /s/.

The Hebrew /s/ version according to the reconstruction shown above is descended from Proto-Semitic *ś, a phoneme thought to correspond to a voiceless alveolar lateral fricative /ɬ/, similar to Welsh Ll in "Llandudno".

Shin also stands for the word Shaddai, a name for God. Because of this, a kohen (priest) forms the letter Shin with his hands as he recites the Priestly Blessing. In the mid 1960s, actor Leonard Nimoy used a single-handed version of this gesture to create the Vulcan hand salute for his character, Mr. Spock, on Star Trek

3800 Year Old Alphabet Found On Six Continents...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_(letter)

http://www.adelaidegrid.warp0.com/photo3.html

History of the Arabic alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver

02-12-2011, 10:27 PM

Furthermore...

Luwian(sometimes spelled Luvian) is an extinct language of the Anatolian branch of the Indo-European language family. Luwian is closely related to Hittite, and was among the languages spoken during the second and first millennia BC by population groups in central Anatolia, to the west or southwest of the core Hittite area . In the oldest texts, eg. the Hittite Code, the Luwian-speaking areas were called Luwiya and the Mycenaean Greek term for these areas, ru-wa-ni-jo (transliterated as "Luwia"), is attested in Linear B syllabic script. In a later copy of the Hittite Code, the term Luwiya is replaced with Arzawa , but this is likely to reflect the interpretation of a particular scribe caused by the geopolitical realities of his own time . In the post-Hittite era, the region of Arzawa came to be known as Lydia (Assyrian Luddu, Greek Λυδία), where the Lydian language was in use.

Luwian is either the direct ancestor of Lycian, or a close relative of the ancestor of Lycian . Luwian has also been adduced as one of the likely candidates for the language spoken by the Trojans , alongside a possible Tyrrhenian language (related to Lemnian), Thracian, and Greek.

Beginning in the fourteenth century BC, Luwian native speakers came to constitute the majority of the population of the Hittite capital Hattusa. It appears that by the time of the collapse of the Hittite Empire circa 1180 BC, the Hittite king and the members of the royal family were fully bilingual in Luwian. Long after the extinction of the Hittite language Luwian continued to be spoken in the Neo-Hittite states of Syria, such as Milid and Carchemish, as well as in the central Anatolian kingdom of Tabal that flourished in the 8th century BC .

Luwian has been preserved in two writing systems, namely the Anatolian adaptation of Mesopotamian cuneiform and Anatolian hieroglyphs.

Luwian has also been enlisted for its verb kalut(t)i(ya)-, which means "make the rounds of" and is probably derived from *kalutta/i- "circle" . It has been argued that this derives from a proto-Anatolian word for "wheel", which in turn would have derived from the common word for "wheel" found in all other Indo-European families.

Hurrian language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver

03-12-2011, 06:44 PM

“Writers of the Old Testament disliked the Danites, whom they called serpents (Genesis 49:17). Nevertheless, they adopted Dani-El or Daniel, a Phoenician god of divination, and transformed him into a Hebrew prophet. His magic powers were like those of the Danites emanating from the Goddess Dana and her sacred serpents…. Daniel was not a personal name but a title, like the Celtic one.”

lightgiver

04-12-2011, 08:25 PM

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lightgiver

05-12-2011, 10:04 PM

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The Codex Tchacos is an ancient Egyptian Coptic papyrus containing early Christian Gnostic texts from approximately 300 AD:

The Gospel of Judas, the Hidden Story of the Betrayal of Christ 1/8 (Dutch subs) - YouTube
http://youtu.be/ywJdMezcqio

The Codex Tchacos is important because it contains the first known surviving copy of the Gospel of Judas, a text that was rejected as heresy by the early Christian church and lost for 1700 years. The Gospel of Judas was mentioned and summarized by the Church Father Irenaeus of Lyons in his work Against Heresies... This would make the Gospel of Judas older than the codex it was discovered in, though there is some uncertainty as to whether this reference was explicitly added in a later Latin translation...

Lost Gospel Revealed; Says Jesus Asked Judas to Betray Him...

Codex Tchacos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/04/0406_060406_judas.html

lightgiver

06-12-2011, 11:22 PM

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2478/557pxgospelofmary.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/13/557pxgospelofmary.jpg/)

In the conversation, the Saviour teaches that the inner self is composed of soul, spirit, and mind, and visions are seen and understood in the mind... Then the text breaks off and the next four pages are missing...When the narrative resumes, Mary is no longer recalling her discussion with the Saviour. She is instead recounting the revelation given to her in her vision...

The lost Gospel of Mary Magdalene - YouTube
http://youtu.be/6DY4b80kCmw

Karen King considers the work to provide...

an intriguing glimpse into a kind of Christianity lost for almost fifteen hundred years...[it] presents a radical interpretation of Jesus' teachings as a path to inner spiritual knowledge; it rejects His suffering and death as the path to eternal life; it exposes the erroneous view that Mary of Magdala was a prostitute for what it is—a piece of theological fiction; it presents the most straightforward and convincing argument in any early Christian writing for the legitimacy of women's leadership; it offers a sharp critique of illegitimate power and a utopian vision of spiritual perfection; it challenges our rather romantic views about the harmony and unanimity of the first Christians; and it asks us to rethink the basis for church authority."

King also sees evidence for tensions within 2nd-century Christianity, reflected in "the confrontation of Mary with Peter, [which is] a scenario also found in The Gospel of Thomas, Pistis Sophia, and the Coptic Gospel of the Egyptians. Peter and Andrew represent orthodox positions which deny the validity of esoteric revelation and reject the authority of women to teach."

http://www.gnosis.org/library/marygosp.htm

lightgiver

09-12-2011, 04:44 AM

Ogham is an Early Medieval alphabet used primarily to write the Old Irish language, and occasionally the Brythonic language. Ogham is sometimes called the "Celtic Tree Alphabet", based on a High Medieval Bríatharogam tradition ascribing names of trees to the individual letters. There are roughly 400 surviving ogham inscriptions on stone monuments throughout Ireland and western Britain, the bulk of them are in the south of Ireland, in Counties Kerry, Cork and Waterford. The largest number outside of Ireland is in Pembrokeshire in Wales... The remainder are mostly in south-eastern Ireland, Scotland, the Isle of Man, and England around the Devon/Cornwall border. The vast majority of the inscriptions consist of personal names.

Modern New Age and Neopagan approaches to ogham largely derive from the theories of Robert Graves in his book The White Goddess.In this work Graves took his inspiration from the theories of the ogham scholar R.A.S Macalister (see above) and elaborated on them much further. Graves proposed that the ogham alphabet encoded a set of beliefs originating in the Middle-east in Stone Age times, concerning the ceremonies surrounding the worship of the Moon-goddess in her various forms.

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4604/druidsalphabetwhatdowek.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/822/druidsalphabetwhatdowek.jpg/)

Graves' argument is extremely complex, but in essence he argues that the Hebrews, Greeks and Celts were all influenced by a people originating in the Aegean, called 'the people of the sea' by the Egyptians, who spread out around Europe in the 2nd Millennium BC, taking their religious beliefs with them. At some early stage these teachings were encoded in alphabet form by poets in order to pass on their worship of the goddess (as the muse and inspiration of all poets) in a secret fashion, understandable only to initiates. Eventually, via the druids of Gaul, this knowledge was passed on to the poets of early Ireland and Wales.

The etymology of the word ogam or ogham remains unclear. One possible origin is from the Irish og-úaim 'point-seam', referring to the seam made by the point of a sharp weapon...

Ogham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=190100

lightgiver

15-12-2011, 07:02 PM

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The Lion of Judah was the symbol of the Israelite tribe of Judah in the Book of Genesis of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament).

In Christian tradition, the Lion of Judah represents Jesus. Many Christian organizations and ministries use the lion of Judah as their emblem or even their name.

Ethiopia's traditions, recorded and elaborated in a 13th century treatise, the "Kebre Negest", assert descent from a retinue of Israelites who returned with the Queen of Sheba from her visit to King Solomon in Jerusalem, by whom she had conceived the Solomonic dynasty's founder, Menelik I. Both Christian and Jewish Ethiopian tradition has it that these immigrants were mostly of the Tribes of Dan and Judah; hence the Ge'ez motto Mo`a 'Anbessa Ze'imnegede Yihuda ("The Lion of the Tribe of Judah has conquered"), included among the titles of the Emperor (King of Kings) throughout the Solomonic Dynasty.

Lion of Judah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver

16-12-2011, 04:15 AM

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Mañjuśrī is depicted as a male bodhisattva wielding a flaming sword in his right hand, representing the realization of transcendent wisdom which cuts down ignorance and duality. The scripture supported by the lotus held in his left hand is a Prajñāpāramitā sūtra, representing his attainment of ultimate realization from the blossoming of wisdom. Mañjuśrī is often depicted as riding on a blue lion, or sitting on the skin of a lion. This represents the use of wisdom to tame the mind, which is compared to riding or subduing a ferocious lion...

lightgiver

18-12-2011, 04:26 AM

The Fortingall Yew is an ancient yew (Taxus baccata) in the churchyard of the village of Fortingall in Perthshire, Scotland. Various estimates have put its age at between 2,000 and 5,000 years; recent research into yew tree ages suggests that it is likely to be nearer the lower limit of 2,000 years. This still makes it the oldest known tree in Europe, although the root system of the Norway spruce "Old Tjikko" in Sweden is older

According to local legend, Pontius Pilate was born in its shade and played there as a child. This is considered unlikely as North Britain was not part of the Roman Empire at that time.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Fortingall_Yew.jpg

Pontius Pilate lived from around 20BC until some time after AD36. He was the Prefect of the Roman province of Judaea from AD26 to AD36, and is best remembered as the judge at the trial of Jesus Christ in AD33, and the man who subsequently ordered his crucifixion...

There has long been a story that Pontius Pilate was actually born at Fortingall in Perthshire, also known as home to an ancient yew tree that could be as much as 5,000 years old (and, if so, is probably the oldest living thing on Earth). At first sight the story of Pilate's birth here looks unlikely. The Romans arrived in southern Britain in 55BC, but only briefly. They returned to invade what is now England in AD43, and only invaded Scotland for the first time in AD80, reaching the area including Perthshire in about AD83. Against this background, how could a Roman have been born here in, roughly, the decade either side of 20BC, which seems necessary to have allowed him to become Prefect of Judaea in AD26?

The story of Pilate's Scottish origins was set out most fully in an article published in the New York Times on 15 January 1899. It seems that between the Romans' first incursion into Britain and their later invasion, Ceasar Augustus dispatched envoys to establish diplomatic relations with some of the important British and Caledonian chieftains. These included a Caledonian chieftain called Metellanus, whose stronghold was at the head of Glen Lyon. A member of the Roman delegation to Metellanus's tribe fathered a child with a Caledonian woman, and this child subsequently returned to Rome with his father (and, possibly, his mother), and was brought up as Pontius Pilate.

As there appears to be no clear record of the circumstances of Pilate's parentage or birth, this story seems at least as likely as alternatives that would have him born in Tarragona in Spain or Forchheim in Germany. And if he was born in Fortingall, that would make him only the first of very many Scots who throughout history have travelled abroad to achieve high office serving in other people's empires.

http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/usbiography/pqr/pontiuspilate.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=980DE4D7163DE433A25756C1A9679C94 689ED7CF

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9C04E5DE103EE033A25752C2A96E9C94 6697D6CF

lightgiver

18-12-2011, 04:44 AM

Taw, Tav or Taf is the twenty-second and last letter in many Semitic abjads, including Phoenician, Aramaic, Hebrew Tav ת and Arabic alphabet Tāʾ ﺕ. Its original sound value is a voiceless alveolar plosive, IPA: [t],

The Phoenician letter gave rise to the Greek Tau (Τ), Latin T, and Cyrillic Te (Т).

“The pictographic sign for the Twelfth Planet, the “Planet of the Crossing”, was a cross. This cuneiform sign, which also meant “Anu” and “divine”, evolved in the Semitic languages to the letter tav, which meant “the sign”.

Tav: Impression - The Seal of Creation...

http://www.inner.org/HEBLETER/tav.HTM

lightgiver

18-12-2011, 04:55 AM

The Was ("power") sceptre is a symbol that appeared often in relics, art and hieroglyphics associated with the Ancient Egyptian religion. They appear as long, straight staffs, with a stylized animal head on top and a forked end.

A was staff, carried by the god Set, in the tomb of Thutmose III.

Was scepters were used as symbols of power or dominion, and were associated with the gods (such as Set or Anubis as well as with the pharaoh. Was scepters also represent the typhonic or Set-animal (the mascot of the Egyptian god Set). In later use, it was a symbol of control over the force of chaos that Set represented.

In a funerary context the was-sceptre was responsible for the well-being of the deceased, and was thus sometimes included in the tomb equipment or in the decoration of the tomb or coffin. The sceptre is also considered an amulet. The Egyptians perceived the sky as being supported on four pillars, which could have the shape of was-sceptres. The 'was'-sceptre is also the symbol of the fourth Upper Egyptian nome, the nome of Thebes (called 'Waset' in Egyptian).

Was scepters were depicted as being carried by gods, pharaohs, and priests. They commonly occur in paintings, drawings, and carvings of gods, and often parallel with emblems such as the ankh-sign and the djed-pillar.

Remnants of real Was scepters have been found, constructed of faience or wood, where the head and forked tail of the Set-animal are visible, with the earliest examples dating back to the times of the first dynasty.

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/6860/161pxscepterwas.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/161pxscepterwas.jpg/)

The Was (w3s) is also the Egyptian hieroglyphic character that stands for a word meaning power.

Hani is a minor god in Akkadian mythology, one of the attendants of the storm-god Adad.

Haddad (Ugaritic Haddu) was a northwest Semitic storm and rain god, cognate in name and origin with the Akkadian god Adad. Hadad was often called simply Ba‘al (Lord), but this title was also used for other gods. Hadad was equated with the Anatolian storm-god Teshub, the Egyptian god Set, the Greek god Zeus, and the Roman god Jupiter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(god)

lightgiver

19-12-2011, 01:50 AM

For nearly 2,000 years, a cultural order existed that exerted influence across South Asia, Inner Asia, Southeast Asia, and to a certain extent, East Asia. A significant form of post-Vedic Sanskrit is found in the Sanskrit of the Hindu Epics—the Ramayana and Mahabharata. The deviations from Pāṇini in the epics are generally considered to be on account of interference from Prakrits, or "innovations" and not because they are pre-Paninean. Traditional Sanskrit scholars call such deviations ārṣa (आर्ष), meaning 'of the ṛṣis', the traditional title for the ancient authors. In some contexts, there are also more "prakritisms" (borrowings from common speech) than in Classical Sanskrit proper. Buddhist Hybrid Sanskrit is a literary language heavily influenced by Middle Indic, based on early Buddhist prakrit texts which subsequently assimilated to the Classical Sanskrit standard in varying degrees.

Sir William Jones, speaking to the Asiatic Society in Calcutta (now Kolkata) on February 2, 1786, said:

The Sanskrit language, whatever be its antiquity, is of a wonderful structure; more perfect than the Greek, more copious than the Latin, and more exquisitely refined than either, yet bearing to both of them a stronger affinity, both in the roots of verbs and in the forms of grammar, than could possibly have been produced by accident; so strong, indeed, that no philologer could examine them all three, without believing them to have sprung from some common source, which, perhaps, no longer exists.

'सत्यमेव जयते' Satyameva Jayate "Truth alone triumphs"

Sanskrit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver

20-12-2011, 01:27 AM

Aghoris base their beliefs on two principles, that Shiva is perfect and that Shiva is responsible for everything. Shiva is thought to be responsible for every rock, tree, animal, and thought. Consequently, everything that exists must be perfect, and to deny the perfection of anything would be to deny the sacredness of all life in its full manifestation, as well as deny God/Goddess and the demigods' perfection...

Aghori 3/6 - YouTube
http://youtu.be/u_rJu_20Aps

The Aghoris distinguish themselves from other Hindu sects and priests by their alcoholic and cannibalistic rituals (see necro-cannibalism). The corpses, which may be either pulled from a river (such as the Ganges) or obtained from cremation grounds, are consumed both raw and cooked on open flame, as the Aghoris believe that what others consider a "dead man" is, in fact, nothing but natural matter devoid of the life force it once contained. Therefore while for ordinary people cannibalism may be seen as primitive, barbaric and unclean, for Aghoris it is both a spiritual resource and a subversion of taboos. In the Aghori view, nothing is profane nor separate from God, who is hailed to be all and in all. In fact, the Aghoris see it as a scientific approach in trying to discover how matter converts from one form to another...

lightgiver

20-12-2011, 03:44 AM

The word Navaratri literally means nine nights in Sanskrit, nava meaning nine and ratri meaning nights.The beginning of spring and the beginning of autumn are two very important junctions of climatic and solar influence. These two periods are taken as sacred opportunities for the worship of the Divine Mother. The dates of the festival are determined according to the lunar calendar...Vasanta Navaratri: Basanta Navrathri, also known as Vasant Navratras, is the festival of nine days dedicated to the nine forms of Shakti (Mother Goddess) in the spring season (March–April). It is also known as Chaitra Navratra. The nine days of festival is also known as Raama Navratri.

A dancer portrays Durga with a Trident...
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In Hinduism, Durga (Sanskrit: दुर्गा); meaning "the inaccessible" or "the invincible"; Bengali: দুর্গা, durga) or Maa Durga (Bengali: মা দুর্গা, meaning "Mother Durga") "one who can redeem in situations of utmost distress" is a form of Devi, the supremely radiant goddess, depicted as having eighteen arms, riding a lion or a tiger, carrying weapons and a lotus flower, maintaining a meditative smile, and practicing mudras, or symbolic hand gestures. The name is made of Sanskrit dur- = "with difficulty" (compare Greek δυσ- (dys-)) and gā ("come", "go").For Shaktas the eternal virgin Durga is Adi Shakti (the original power) , Adi Maya(the original illusion caster) and the material manifestation of the Brahman (Supreme Absolute Godhead)

According to a narrative in the Devi Mahatmya story of the Markandeya Purana text, Durga was created as a warrior goddess to fight an asura (an inhuman force/demon) named Mahishasura... He had unleashed a reign of terror on earth, heaven and the nether worlds, and he could not be defeated by any man or god, anywhere...It is said that upon initially encountering Durga, Mahishasura underestimated her, thinking: "How can a woman kill me, Mahishasur—the one who has defeated the trinity of gods?". However, Durga roared with laughter, which caused an earthquake which made Mahishasur aware of her powers...

Uttara Kannada District, Karnataka, India - Temple dates back to more than 2000 years...

Shaktism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Karnataka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia