V and the bible

[childofthetao]

I reccomend you watch this first: Transformers Exposed 1 0f 2 - YouTube on youtube, it's called "transformers exposed 1 of 2"

It shows how the film is a play on the bible but reversed. I noticed while watching the new episode of V that they have done the same. The aliens above (angels in heaven) are fighting and the rebels are portrayed as the good guys helping humanity. They even have the miracle birth. Maybe in the next episode the rebels will be "cast down" ?

Any thoughts or other points of similarity between V and luciferian philosophy?

Peace
Child of the Tao

[childofthetao]

Thinking about it, stargate did the same, the gould and the tokra, same in star wars, war in space the rebels are good.

I can't think of a series/film where the rebels are the bad guys.

Peace
Child of the Tao

[alexc]

Sometimes a movie cliche is just a movie cliche.

[childofthetao]

Maybe, but can anyone tell me any series or film where the rebels are evil? I still want to know.

Peace
Child of the Tao

[childofthetao]

AM I really the only one who thinks there is something to this? I have asked on yahoo answers and so far no one has been able to come up with a case of the rebels being portayed as the bad guys.

In The Last Samurai, the rebels were portrayed as being good, when in reality they were bad guys, again this reversal of the rebels again.

But I guess I'm the only one seeing this.

Peace
Child of the Tao

[1776]

AM I really the only one who thinks there is something to this? I have asked on yahoo answers and so far no one has been able to come up with a case of the rebels being portayed as the bad guys.

In The Last Samurai, the rebels were portrayed as being good, when in reality they were bad guys, again this reversal of the rebels again.

But I guess I'm the only one seeing this.

Peace
Child of the Tao

You obviously don't know your Japanese history too well.

[1964]

AM I really the only one who thinks there is something to this? I have asked on yahoo answers and so far no one has been able to come up with a case of the rebels being portayed as the bad guys.

In The Last Samurai, the rebels were portrayed as being good, when in reality they were bad guys, again this reversal of the rebels again.

But I guess I'm the only one seeing this.

Peace
Child of the Tao

I've been noticing that same thing for a few years now, always aware of it in movie themes. Another theme that I think is even more common is where the average person is led to believe he can be the "super-hero" - the "Savior". Like Neo, in the Matrix, for example. An every day guy is made out to be the "Chosen One", and the "Savior" of all mankind. Now we've got millions of men and women running around, thinking they're going to be the next "Neo & Trinity". Think about it. What does "neo" mean? It means new, modified, recent, revived = "new trinity" = replacing Father, Son and Holy Spirit = Antichrist.

Not hard to connect the dots. People are being programmed to believe that the devil and his demons are the good guys; and that they can be super-heroes, defeating the devil all on their own.

[1776]

I've been noticing that same thing for a few years now, always aware of it in movie themes. Another theme that I think is even more common is where the average person is led to believe he can be the "super-hero" - the "Savior". Like Neo, in the Matrix, for example. An every day guy is made out to be the "Chosen One", and the "Savior" of all mankind. Now we've got millions of men and women running around, thinking they're going to be the next "Neo & Trinity". Think about it. What does "neo" mean? It means new, modified, recent, revived = "new trinity" = replacing Father, Son and Holy Spirit = Antichrist.

Not hard to connect the dots. People are being programmed to believe that the devil and his demons are the good guys; and that they can be super-heroes, defeating the devil all on their own.

Great insight, as usual. Thanks 1964!

:)

[gallifrey]

It's all about archetypes... good vs evil, etc. Good seems to be weak in the face of evil empires, etc, but the underdog always wins. It is similar to much that appears in religion, but that is all symbolism for man's most primal fears and desires, i.e. not to be crushed by the machine,as it were. To be able to overcome adversity, and create a better world, even from a position of apparent weakness when compared to the adversary.

[1964]

It's all about archetypes... good vs evil, etc. Good seems to be weak in the face of evil empires, etc, but the underdog always wins. It is similar to much that appears in religion, but that is all symbolism for man's most primal fears and desires, i.e. not to be crushed by the machine,as it were. To be able to overcome adversity, and create a better world, even from a position of apparent weakness when compared to the adversary.

I might believe it was all by chance if Jesus Christ hadn't prophesied it would happen more than 2,000 years in advance. The detail and the planning that have gone into making sure the New World Order would arrive on time make it mathematically impossible for any human being, or even the devil, to have predicted it with 100% accuracy even 50 years in advance, never mind 2,000 years. The devil, himself, is behaving precisely as Jesus Christ said he would. And even the people - the people are also falling in line with the deception precisely as Jesus Christ said they would. Likewise, so are those who are being saved by Christ.

Not a chance that it's all just an accident, that Jesus Christ is right about all this.

[1964]

Great insight, as usual. Thanks 1964!

:)

It's all so obvious now, I can't help thinking there musn't be much time left since the devil is finally being so bold. He's flaunting himself in people's faces, and they still can't see it. It's hard to watch. But even this is happening as Christ said it would. The god of the air of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers - and when the mind is blind, then it doesn't matter if the eyes can see and the ears can hear. They are still blind and deaf to the truth, which is the glory of Jesus Christ :(

[1776]

It's all so obvious now, I can't help thinking there musn't be much time left since the devil is finally being so bold. He's flaunting himself in people's faces, and they still can't see it. It's hard to watch. But even this is happening as Christ said it would. The god of the air of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers - and when the mind is blind, then it doesn't matter if the eyes can see and the ears can hear. They are still blind and deaf to the truth, which is the glory of Jesus Christ :(

You're right, too.

Once I fully grasped the teachings of Christ and his prophecies, and saw so many already come to fruition, I realized that everything is but a mask for this SPIRITUAL WAR that is on-going over the centuries!

The greatest lie the Devil ever told was that he didn't exist.


Peace&Love
God bless

[1964]

You're right, too.

Once I fully grasped the teachings of Christ and his prophecies, and saw so many already come to fruition, I realized that everything is but a mask for this SPIRITUAL WAR that is on-going over the centuries!

The greatest lie the Devil ever told was that he didn't exist.

Peace&Love
God bless

No need to respond, it just crossed my mind when I read your post. I'd say the greatest lie the devil ever told is that he is Jesus Christ, and God on earth. After that, the second greatest lie, is that people can be their own gods. I was shocked when I learned that the name of Antichrist, in full, means one who comes disguised as Christ, as his means of waging war against Christ. Before then, I simply understood it as anti/against. The devil wears a million disguises, even disguising himself as the Son of God. Like you said, everything a mask.

[childofthetao]

You obviously don't know your Japanese history too well.

Nope, it was what someone said on yahoo answers, he said they wanted to stick to the feudal system which made them "bad".

Peace
Child of the Tao

[the perfect one]

Yes I agree I think 1964 does have great insight.

Heres a link to a preview of tonights "V".

http://www.visitorsite.net/ep6clips.htm

[the perfect one]

I just watched V and I am in shock how much it reminds me of the reptoid theory. I brought up the fact that the theory suggests that the bloodliners are hybrids. I told my husband I didnt want to be a hybrid. He calmly replied"You are what you are."

:(

Even though I really dont believe it-it's still very close to the reptoid theory. Which makes it kinda creepy.

[biblegirl]

Star Wars is kinda similar as well

Annikan skywalker was supposed to be of miracle birth, and he is the one who brought balance back to the force when he died :p

[the perfect one]

I've been noticing that same thing for a few years now, always aware of it in movie themes. Another theme that I think is even more common is where the average person is led to believe he can be the "super-hero" - the "Savior". Like Neo, in the Matrix, for example. An every day guy is made out to be the "Chosen One", and the "Savior" of all mankind. Now we've got millions of men and women running around, thinking they're going to be the next "Neo & Trinity". Think about it. What does "neo" mean? It means new, modified, recent, revived = "new trinity" = replacing Father, Son and Holy Spirit = Antichrist.

Not hard to connect the dots. People are being programmed to believe that the devil and his demons are the good guys; and that they can be super-heroes, defeating the devil all on their own.


This quote belongs on my other thread about who has the real power you or Jesus? Thumbs up!

[biblegirl]

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This quote belongs on my other thread about who has the real power you or Jesus? Thumbs up!

just don't be surprised when he comes back in a spaceship :eek:

i think that's what will throw a lot of christians off

[the perfect one]

just don't be surprised when he comes back in a spaceship :eek:

i think that's what will throw a lot of christians off

I'm starting to wonder how close you are to the truth. I hate to admit it , but there is more to this then what I originally thought. It's not just entities taking over people and possessing them,no-I believe there is more to it now. We need hard core proof that it's more then just entities entering peoples bodies. IF that is the case. Still , I have suspicions that it is more then what I originally thought.This "V" tv show has really blown my thinking out of the water, but I dont want to be sucked in by dis info either. I just see some things matching up.

[the perfect one]

just don't be surprised when he comes back in a spaceship :eek:

i think that's what will throw a lot of christians off

What if it's the anti christ instead? Like the V tv show-those people that came on the ship to earth are the enemy. That's what I'm thinking will happen. Unless Jesus returns in a ship too. This stuff is beyond logic anymore.It's just too hard for the mind to wrap around ,if I had not gone through some of this stuff myself, I doubt I would believe it.
All I know is,there's "something big going on and it's real."

[biblegirl]

the perfect one:

i think the Bible is full of what we call "spaceships", or we can call them "space vehicles" as that is a little easier, using language like "clouds", "pillars", etc...I think Jesus left in one and is coming back in one according to the Bible

compare these:

the transfiguration
Luke 9

28And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.

29And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.

30And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:

31Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

32But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.

33And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.

34While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud.

35And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

36And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen.

the ascension
Luke 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them and carried up into heaven.
Acts 1 8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

the return
Revelations 1
5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Luke 21
25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.


i would love to talk to anyone who is willing to deal with these passages, i only named 4 as they related to Jesus, but the OT and NT are jam packed full of these instances where angels or God arrive in these objects and i think this is very important to understand :)

[the perfect one]

Ok you're right. That was enough proof for me. I'll say one thing though. I believe the false christ or the anti christ will come in a ship as well.

My God -people who have not experienced some of this wack stuff would think were all crazy -but it's right there in the Bible.

This rabbit hole is too deep.:) Thanks.

[biblegirl]

Ok you're right. That was enough proof for me. I'll say one thing though. I believe the false christ or the anti christ will come in a ship as well.

My God -people who have not experienced some of this wack stuff would think were all crazy -but it's right there in the Bible.

This rabbit hole is too deep.:) Thanks.

yeah i think there will be lots of UFO activity while the anti-christ is around, and Satan has been called the "prince of the powers of the air" which i take to include some UFO activity

I've always heard Revelations 1:2 explained as being the antichrist: "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."

Then we have Revelation 18:11 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called the Word of God."

The reason I am mentioning this, is because after reading the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jasher and other old spiritual texts, I noticed they used the word "horse" for something that behaved like what we know as UFOs. Here in Revelations we have two beings, the first presumably the antichrist, and the second presumably Jesus Christ. They each come on a white horse. Confusing stuff isn't it :D. But these could be more UFO references imo.

[the perfect one]

yeah i think there will be lots of UFO activity while the anti-christ is around, and Satan has been called the "prince of the powers of the air" which i take to include some UFO activity

I've always heard Revelations 1:2 explained as being the antichrist: "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."

Then we have Revelation 18:11 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called the Word of God."

The reason I am mentioning this, is because after reading the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jasher and other old spiritual texts, I noticed they used the word "horse" for something that behaved like what we know as UFOs. Here in Revelations we have two beings, the first presumably the antichrist, and the second presumably Jesus Christ. They each come on a white horse. Confusing stuff isn't it :D. But these could be more UFO references imo.

Humm..Interesting, a horse is something we use for travel. Well, used to use for travel . Maybe its a reference meaning -a means of travel. You're onto something .imo

[biblegirl]

oops forgot this one about this one which many christians interpret to be the "rapture of the church":

1 Thessalonians 4:17a

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air....

[the perfect one]

oops forgot this one about this one which many christians interpret to be the "rapture of the church":

Yes that makes sense too. I pray God takes me and my immediate family . I dont like the fact they got to my husband and my children and my immediate family has done nothing to deserve being sent to hell. My family seems back to normal for now. BUT HOW LONG WILL THAT LAST. :rolleyes:

I pray God takes my family and I, up in the clouds with him before the bad guys can do anymore harm to them.

[biblegirl]

yeah i think there will be lots of UFO activity while the anti-christ is around, and Satan has been called the "prince of the powers of the air" which i take to include some UFO activity

I've always heard Revelations 1:2 explained as being the antichrist: "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."

Then we have Revelation 18:11 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called the Word of God."

The reason I am mentioning this, is because after reading the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jasher and other old spiritual texts, I noticed they used the word "horse" for something that behaved like what we know as UFOs. Here in Revelations we have two beings, the first presumably the antichrist, and the second presumably Jesus Christ. They each come on a white horse. Confusing stuff isn't it :D. But these could be more UFO references imo.

just found this:

Rev 14

14And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

[dunadan]

I reccomend you watch this first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwg077rPZ1A&feature=related on youtube, it's called "transformers exposed 1 of 2"

It shows how the film is a play on the bible but reversed. I noticed while watching the new episode of V that they have done the same. The aliens above (angels in heaven) are fighting and the rebels are portrayed as the good guys helping humanity. They even have the miracle birth. Maybe in the next episode the rebels will be "cast down" ?

Any thoughts or other points of similarity between V and luciferian philosophy?

Peace
Child of the Tao

'One man's terrorist/rebel is another man's freedom fighter';)

[dunadan]

It's all so obvious now, I can't help thinking there musn't be much time left since the devil is finally being so bold. He's flaunting himself in people's faces, and they still can't see it. It's hard to watch. But even this is happening as Christ said it would. The god of the air of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers - and when the mind is blind, then it doesn't matter if the eyes can see and the ears can hear. They are still blind and deaf to the truth, which is the glory of Jesus Christ :(

He knows that his time is running short.....

[kblood]

Where ever there are people being opressed, it is just a matter of time before they will rebel.

The clever thing about Democracy is that everyone gets to vote, if there is anything to complain about they can just say we should have voted on someone else.

As for us being gods, well we can control light and energy, and at some point I think that will become common for us. At the moment though, we do not have enough understanding about the flows of energy to change the flows of energy without creating disharmony. Which is one of the reasons why I do not experiment with it anymore. I might do again some day, but I want to know how to control the source of what I do first. I guess the simplest answer is doing it through prayer, since you then are but a conduit, and with a strong belief you are sure of the source.

Some good points about the anti christ here. I am also watching this V series. Might see ep 6 tomorrow.

[dunadan]

No need to respond, it just crossed my mind when I read your post. I'd say the greatest lie the devil ever told is that he is Jesus Christ, and God on earth. After that, the second greatest lie, is that people can be their own gods. I was shocked when I learned that the name of Antichrist, in full, means one who comes disguised as Christ, as his means of waging war against Christ. Before then, I simply understood it as anti/against. The devil wears a million disguises, even disguising himself as the Son of God. Like you said, everything a mask.

Rex Mundi = King of the Earth. Asmodeus.....the great deciever, shedder of skins, shapshifter etc..........

This next bit may also add another slant to such a coming;

In May 1946 Ray Palmer told/published the story of Agharti and the 'King of the World'. This king - an 'ELder' or 'great one' would come up out of his underground kingdom, when humankind was ready, and bring peace and enlightenment etc.. He is supposedly thousands of years old, is youthful, strong, handsome and shines. He is full of infinate love and power. He looks human yet came from Venus and the stars, and is slightly taller than a well built man, yet there is no radical difference in our races.

In a drawing, this guy is depicted as a 'Nordic type', yet I think that there are crossed wires here as he sounds like, IMO, the one who can shed his skin and who is king of the Earth, the fallen one.

There are also some biblical like quotes/predictions which then lead to a list of numbers and times for this coming of the king of the Earth.

Many years ago my friend and I worked them out - in very simple terms - as follows;

1890 (predictions told to lama) + 50 yrs = 1940 = (+/-) WWII;

1940 + 71 yrs (three great kingdoms) (+/-) = 2011;

2010 + 18 yrs (of war) etc....

All very intriguing and one could argue that humanity is always at war etc.

Yet after this 18 yrs of war, the king of the world shall rise with his legions, from the underground caverns etc...

Food for thought?

[biblegirl]

1. What is the original word for "cloud"?

There are 3 different words translated to "cloud" in this study:

A. 'anon
1) cloud, cloudy, cloud-mass
a) cloud-mass (of theophanic cloud)
b) cloud

B. 'ab
1) darkness, cloud, thicket
a) dark cloud
b) cloud mass
c) thicket (as refuge)

C: nephelē
1) a cloud
a) used of the cloud which led the Israelites in the wilderness

The first term 'anon is the most used, referring to regular rain clouds, as well as the "Theophanic" ones we in God's encounters with Moses and the Israelites in Exodus.

The second term 'ab is used for literal rain clouds, as well as the reference for the cloud that looked like a hand and spoke, and the cloud that is ridden upon swiftly (see references).

The third term nephelē is used in the references for the bright cloud at Christ's transfiguration on the mount, the clouds he is coming back in, the clouds associated with the angels in revelation, the clouds we will be caught up together in at the rapture, the cloud that the two witnesses ascend in, and the cloud that Christ will return in.


Clouds, whirlwinds, chariots, and more.

What's the basis for not taking "cloud" literally?

The reason I question these being literal clouds is because of the otherworldly features they demonstrate. They do not behave as literal clouds, and we will see how they are used in association with vehicles. We will see how different verses describing the same event will use the word cloud, while their corresponding verses will use whirlwind, chariots, fire, and in some cases, all of these words combined.

4 very different things:

Cloud:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:4jN0w9K21nWTMM:http://www.sacrd.net/images/cloud-5.jpg

Whirlwind:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:nC8Xah7FEQ6FjM:http://nhokanson.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/whirlwind.jpg

Chariot:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:f5-bM5AFXTYonM:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ah39gWkDwrc/R8d4vchxk7I/AAAAAAAAAVQ/JB3cdFIMnxU/s400/Gita_chariots.jpg

Fire:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:GJCJxxeT6cVuAM:http://scavenging.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/fire.jpg

Are these words being used to describe a scene similar to this?

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ptMnM_xR1CqomM:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XBzdQo4oISk/SeZgW3Esf-I/AAAAAAAACkw/DBwSYQa4fhY/s400/china-ufo.jpg

cloud + fire + thick darkness:

Deut 5:22These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

Cloud descends and stands in response to Moses:

Exodus 33:9And it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the cloudy pillar descended, and stood at the door of the tabernacle, and the Lord talked with Moses.

10And all the people saw the cloudy pillar stand at the tabernacle door: and all the people rose up and worshipped, every man in his tent door. Numbers 12:5 And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.

cloud yet also fire, the Lord is IN the cloud, speaking clouds:

Exodus 14: 22And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.

23And the Egyptians pursued, and went in after them to the midst of the sea, even all Pharaoh's horses, his chariots, and his horsemen.

24And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians,

25And took off their chariot wheels, that they drave them heavily: so that the Egyptians said, Let us flee from the face of Israel; for the LORD fighteth for them against the Egyptians.

1 Kings 18:42 So Ahab went up to eat and to drink. And Elijah went up to the top of Carmel; and he cast himself down upon the earth, and put his face between his knees,

43And said to his servant, Go up now, look toward the sea. And he went up, and looked, and said, There is nothing. And he said, Go again seven times.

44And it came to pass at the seventh time, that he said, Behold, there ariseth a little cloud out of the sea, like a man's hand. And he said, Go up, say unto Ahab, Prepare thy chariot, and get thee down that the rain stop thee not.

Chariot + Fire + Whirlwind:

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Invisible Chariots of Fire + Army:

2 Kings 6: 15And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do?

16And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.

17And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

[biblegirl]

Christ's second coming comparisons (clouds/nephele):

Matthew 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

63Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses?

Straight from the source, He's coming in/with the clouds. Now compare:

Isaiah 66:15 15For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Jeremiah 4:13 Behold, he shall come up as clouds, and his chariots shall be as a whirlwind: his horses are swifter than eagles. Woe unto us! for we are spoiled.


Is he coming in the clouds? Or chariots of fire? Or both? I don't think this is a contradiction, but a way to describe these nephele that Christ comes back in.

Here is an account in Ezekial which is famous for being the first documented UFO/alien encounter. Look at the words used to describe this strange vehicle:

Whirlwind + Fire + Cloud + Brightness
Ezekial 1

3The word of the LORD came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was there upon him.

4And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

5Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.

6And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.

7And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.

8And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.

9Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.

10As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

11Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.

12And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went.

13As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.

14And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.

15Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.

16The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

17When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.

18As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.

19And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.

20Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

21When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

22And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.

23And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.

24And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.

25And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.

26And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

27And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

28As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

[dunadan]

Christ's second coming comparisons (clouds/nephele):







Straight from the source, He's coming in/with the clouds. Now compare:






Is he coming in the clouds? Or chariots of fire? Or both? I don't think this is a contradiction, but a way to describe these nephele that Christ comes back in.

Here is an account in Ezekial which is famous for being the first documented UFO/alien encounter. Look at the words used to describe this strange vehicle:

Whirlwind + Fire + Cloud + Brightness

I have always thought that the machine in Ezekial encounter was like a cross between a UFO and a Chinook helicopter!

[theoriginalmurph]

I've been noticing that same thing for a few years now, always aware of it in movie themes. Another theme that I think is even more common is where the average person is led to believe he can be the "super-hero" - the "Savior". Like Neo, in the Matrix, for example. An every day guy is made out to be the "Chosen One", and the "Savior" of all mankind. Now we've got millions of men and women running around, thinking they're going to be the next "Neo & Trinity". Think about it. What does "neo" mean? It means new, modified, recent, revived = "new trinity" = replacing Father, Son and Holy Spirit = Antichrist.

Not hard to connect the dots. People are being programmed to believe that the devil and his demons are the good guys; and that they can be super-heroes, defeating the devil all on their own.

Yes, I do believe you're onto something there, though I have to disagree with what you say about people being programmed to believe in things. There's definitely some philosophical issue or conflict between objectivism and mysticism going on, especially in America.

[the perfect one]

Yes, I do believe you're onto something there, though I have to disagree with what you say about people being programmed to believe in things. There's definitely some philosophical issue or conflict between objectivism and mysticism going on, especially in America.

I see what he is saying. They program people all the time. Hell, they tried to make me believe I was Jesus. LOL

I dont have any special powers but there might be something to this psychic thing with people. Other then that ...meh they program people on the internet, radio,tv,news paper -you name it. Plus...Look at these movies out there.

[theoriginalmurph]

I see what he is saying. They program people all the time. Hell, they tried to make me believe I was Jesus. LOL

I dont have any special powers but there might be something to this psychic thing with people. Other then that ...meh they program people on the internet, radio,tv,news paper -you name it. Plus...Look at these movies out there.

Oh my. This is interesting. Perhaps I should be more specific. If you say, "people are being programmed," the image that comes to mind for me is the old "sheeple" illusion. I tend to believe people think for themselves a lot more often than they're given credit, especially on forums like this. I do believe, however, most people are afraid to contemplate some things per some conditioning that exploits their fears of the unknown. By that, they're vulnerable to being mislead by others through the power of suggestion. Now, it looks to me that the artists who make these shows, they're limited to the expectations and belief systems of their audience, otherwise the stories would not make enough sense to anyone.

If you ask me, the entertainment industry is doing more to enlighten people by undoing the programming installed by the institutions of church and state, but it is not without some backsliding on behalf of Madison Avenue advertising, and that is unfortunate.

So, why are the aliens so popular? V and the Bible? Primarily, it is a reflection of the culture, especially in America, where the natural, aboriginal way of life is practically extinct. Even this English language is totally alien to the continent, transplanted here by "extra-terrestrials" from Europe. It is the same kind of scenario for the Christian New Testament, the Gospels, that you have this behavior of spreading the word, like the Ori from the later episodes of Stargate SG1. It's the notion that something alien, something external, is being forced to replace something inherent, something internal, and there is always a conflict to result from that.

But, that's just my opinion.