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hagbard_celine
16-02-2007, 08:58 PM
I know that "conspiracy nuts" like me are often accused of seeing conspiracies in everything. Well that's not literally true. There are plenty of things that I don't think are conspiracies.

*The Madrid bombing probably was done by Muslim extremeists (not from Al-Qaida, because Al-Qaida doesn't exist) of some sort or another.

*I also don't buy the complete Holocaust-denial theory. Despite the fact the Zionist groups have exploited the memory of the Holocaust, you can't pretend it just never happened.

*The Challenger disaster is another. There's no evidence to indicate that this was anything other than it appeared to be: A tragic accident.

Please post your own list of non-conspiracy theories below.

midwich cuckoo
17-02-2007, 01:54 AM
Seems to me that you need to know what the word 'conspiracy' actually means -

...An evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot...

The Madrid bombing was a conspiracy no matter who the perpetrator was.

But you said it yourself "Holocaust-denial theory"

'What conspiracy theories do you not believe in?' would have been a much better thread title

Sorry for being pendantic, I'm a bit of an obsessive compulsive due to having Tourette syndrome.

I don't necessarily believe in any conspiracy theory, I look for facts and evidence to formulate my own conspiracy theories. I don't believe everyone is 100% accurate, but when you listen at all conspiracy theorists and do your own research and look for facts to back up said research, only then can you truly believe something. It's no good just taking the words of some guy who wrote some books as truth. Do your own research and disseminate fact from fiction for yourself, if you can't find any remote resemblance of fact to back up a particular claim then you have to wonder about the source.

Anyway, as far as 'What conspiracy theories do you not believe in?', I don't believe that Elvis faked his own death, I believe he is in fact dead and I also don't believe that he was murdered.

The most far out conspiracy I believe in is that Paul Macartney was replaced with a lookAlike after he died!. How else do you explain 'The Frog Chorus' and 'Mull Of Kintyre!" and in fact his entire career since!.;)

jimijams
17-02-2007, 02:01 AM
The most far out conspiracy I believe in is that Paul Macartney was replaced with a lookAlike after he died!. How else do you explain 'The Frog Chorus' and 'Mull Of Kintyre!" and in fact his entire career since!.;)
Very true, I believe this also. Play Eleanor Rigby and the Frog song back to back, it can't be the same person.

i_am
17-02-2007, 02:01 AM
The most far out conspiracy I believe in is that Paul Macartney was replaced with a lookAlike after he died!. How else do you explain 'The Frog Chorus' and 'Mull Of Kintyre!" and in fact his entire career since!.;)


Yes that is an interesting one. I am not sure that I truly believe but after reading a lot of info about it, it sure is plausible.

hagbard_celine
20-02-2007, 05:03 PM
I never fell for the alien autopsy film. I remember when it first came out 10 years ago, just when I was getting interested in Roswell. It seemed incredulous to me that of all the things to be leaked from the incident, it wasn't a document, it wasn't a faded photocopied photograph, it was a revealling, high-qulaity full-length film. Nah! The special effects had a lot to be desired too.

heretic
20-02-2007, 05:06 PM
I never fell for the alien autopsy film. I remember when it first came out 10 years ago, just when I was getting interested in Roswell. It seemed incredulous to me that of all the things to be leaked from the incident, it wasn't a document, it wasn't a faded photocopied photograph, it was a revealling, high-qulaity full-length film. Nah! The special effects had a lot to be desired too.

You are dead right there, I had forgotten about that film, it was utter utter rubbish. I remember it came out when the X files was popular. I think it was made to attract that crowd.

brians201
20-02-2007, 05:27 PM
The most far out conspiracy I believe in is that Paul Macartney was replaced with a lookAlike after he died!. How else do you explain 'The Frog Chorus' and 'Mull Of Kintyre!" and in fact his entire career since!.;)[/quote]


But he's not even a Lookalike anymore !!! Last album a little better :o ?

heretic
20-02-2007, 05:50 PM
The most far out conspiracy I believe in is that Paul Macartney was replaced with a lookAlike after he died!. How else do you explain 'The Frog Chorus' and 'Mull Of Kintyre!" and in fact his entire career since!.;)

But he's not even a Lookalike anymore !!! Last album a little better :o ?

I think 'Mull of Kintyre' is one of his best songs actually. :D I like it, it reminds me of 'home' (the UK)

tru3
20-02-2007, 06:16 PM
I know that "conspiracy nuts" like me are often accused of seeing conspiracies in everything. Well that's not literally true. There are plenty of things that I don't think are conspiracies.

According to one dictionary I have, the word conspiracy is derived from the latin "conspirare": "to breathe together".

Last time I checked, if we're breathing, we're alive and here. I guess what I'm suggesting is that we're all creating this reality together.

I don't need to know every conspiracy to know something's crawled under the porch and died; the stench fills the air. Everyone smells it, 'cuz we're all breathing the same air, but nobody can agree on what kind of critter it is. But does it really matter?

hagbard_celine
21-02-2007, 12:21 AM
Does anyone remember Bob Lazar? He's another one who's been quiet lately!

His story sounds very false; I think he's just a fantasist, a "Walter Mitty" as Stanton Friedman calls him. Phil Schneider is a lot more convincing, and also provides evidence for his adventures.

heretic
21-02-2007, 12:50 AM
Does anyone remember Bob Lazar? He's another one who's been quiet lately!

His story sounds very false; I think he's just a fantasist, a "Walter Mitty" as Stanton Friedman calls him. Phil Schneider is a lot more convincing, and also provides evidence for his adventures.

Yes, I remember Bob Lazar, I still have his model kit of an UFO in my Grandad's loft in England.
You can go and pick it up if you want. :D

seamus
21-02-2007, 03:13 AM
According to one dictionary I have, the word conspiracy is derived from the latin "conspirare": "to breathe together".



Also, breath and spirit are the same thing. Conspiracy, "with-spiriting" or "sharing the same spirit"

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oneofmany
21-02-2007, 05:18 AM
Does anyone remember Bob Lazar? He's another one who's been quiet lately!

His story sounds very false; I think he's just a fantasist, a "Walter Mitty" as Stanton Friedman calls him. Phil Schneider is a lot more convincing, and also provides evidence for his adventures.

Bob's not quiet at all. you can find him here http://www.unitednuclear.com/ where he sells his scientific supplies. And he was on coast to coast last year where he explained why he's not in the public eye. Mainly the story is that he only ever come out to the public about area 51 because he feared for his life.

Originally, he only told his friends, but when they all got caught watching UFO's he went public to save his life.

Also his description of area 51 was to a tee and only proven how accurate he was years after he gave a full account of what he saw.

Bob Lazar's the real deal :cool:

lookfar
21-02-2007, 08:31 AM
The most far out conspiracy I believe in is that Paul Macartney was replaced with a lookAlike after he died!. How else do you explain 'The Frog Chorus' and 'Mull Of Kintyre!" and in fact his entire career since!.;)


Hi Brian

Funny you should say that about him being replaced, I heard about this from someone else not too long ago :)

hagbard_celine
21-02-2007, 11:02 AM
Bob's not quiet at all. you can find him here http://www.unitednuclear.com/ where he sells his scientific supplies. And he was on coast to coast last year where he explained why he's not in the public eye. Mainly the story is that he only ever come out to the public about area 51 because he feared for his life.

Originally, he only told his friends, but when they all got caught watching UFO's he went public to save his life.

Also his description of area 51 was to a tee and only proven how accurate he was years after he gave a full account of what he saw.

Bob Lazar's the real deal :cool:

I'll have to differ with you there. I don't doubt that there are UFO's at Area 51, but I don't think Bob Lazar has had anything to do with them outside of his imagination. The story of his qualifications being removed from the records could be credicle if the people who knew him at school said he was a bright student; apparently he wasn't. Tim Good says that although Lazar claims to be a nuclear physicist, he actually is not. He might have learnt a bit on the subject, but he's not an expert. What does he have that would make him an asset of a secret project?

Besides, how come he's still alive? Going public to protect yourself didn't work for Phil Schneider.

I generally find Schneider a lot more convincing. He has hard evidence as well: photoes, materials etc. I see no reason to think Bob Lazar is any more for real than Ray Santilli, producer of the alien autopsy film.

oneofmany
21-02-2007, 10:24 PM
I'll have to differ with you there. I don't doubt that there are UFO's at Area 51, but I don't think Bob Lazar has had anything to do with them outside of his imagination. The story of his qualifications being removed from the records could be credicle if the people who knew him at school said he was a bright student; apparently he wasn't. Tim Good says that although Lazar claims to be a nuclear physicist, he actually is not. He might have learnt a bit on the subject, but he's not an expert. What does he have that would make him an asset of a secret project?

Besides, how come he's still alive? Going public to protect yourself didn't work for Phil Schneider.

I generally find Schneider a lot more convincing. He has hard evidence as well: photoes, materials etc. I see no reason to think Bob Lazar is any more for real than Ray Santilli, producer of the alien autopsy film.

The more you say about it, the bigger the impression i get that you really know Fuck all about Bob and to be fair, that's the way he likes it. I've conversed with him through email, and the projects that he has on the horizon could be Earth changing if the Govt ever get off his back. eg His hydrogen kit for cars, that baby has been working now for over 15 years and he still can't get it marketed. you know why? because it actually works. As for UFO's I'm not even sure whether i believe him or not but he definitely did work at area 51.

truthsupplier
21-02-2007, 11:15 PM
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/searching-alternatives/

searching-alternatives : Searching Alternatives

Have you noticed that many of the diseases “treated” by the best of modern medicine, are actually “managed” by a life-long dependence on medications? Is this really what we want to call a cure? Wouldn’t a cure mean the body is completely free of the disease and as well as the medicines used to treat the disease?

Is cure possible? What does cure mean? How can cure be achieved?

These are the paradigm changing questions that I hope we can investigate together. Through this process, there will be several challenges that we will need to face. Firstly, the greatest hurdle to new insight is usually the entrenched thought patterns that we all encounter while stretching and transforming past our former boundaries. (If you are not sure what I mean, ask what happened to Galileo because he accepted the scientific discovery that the Earth revolves around the sun!)

hagbard_celine
22-02-2007, 12:42 AM
The more you say about it, the bigger the impression i get that you really know Fuck all about Bob and to be fair, that's the way he likes it. I've conversed with him through email, and the projects that he has on the horizon could be Earth changing if the Govt ever get off his back. eg His hydrogen kit for cars, that baby has been working now for over 15 years and he still can't get it marketed. you know why? because it actually works. As for UFO's I'm not even sure whether i believe him or not but he definitely did work at area 51.

What impression you get is your business, not mine. But if you have confidence in Bob Lazar then there's no need to talk about ME and what I KNOW. I've never emailed Bob Lazar like you have, but I've read the literature he's poroduced and if he's unable to put forward a convincing case to the public then he's got no right (nor have you, I think) to disparage those who doubt him.

All the time I hear people coming out with designs for new propulsion systems and zero-point energy etc. Let him deliver and then I'll believe him.

oneofmany
22-02-2007, 12:54 AM
What impression you get is your business, not mine. But if you have confidence in Bob Lazar then there's no need to talk about ME and what I KNOW. I've never emailed Bob Lazar like you have, but I've read the literature he's poroduced and if he's unable to put forward a convincing case to the public then he's got no right (nor have you, I think) to disparage those who doubt him.

All the time I hear people coming out with designs for new propulsion systems and zero-point energy etc. Let him deliver and then I'll believe him.

part 1 That's just it, you don't know the guy or the trouble he still has identifying himself, thanks to all the trouble he put the US govt through. He has trouble opening a bank account because the banks think he's dead.

part 2 Doubt away but don't you think he's just standing up for what he knows is the truth, and i think he has every right just because his story doesn't sound believable to YOU

part 3 HE HAS......http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/

truthsupplier
22-02-2007, 11:09 PM
Tell Me More About Albert Pike
Albert Pike's Background
Jump to Albert Pike & Three World Wars.

Very few outsiders know about the intimate plans of Albert Pike and the architects of the New World Order. In the 19th Century Albert Pike established a framework for bringing about the One World Order. Based on a vision revealed to him, Albert Pike wrote a blueprint of events that would play themselves out in the 20th century, with even more of these events yet to come. It is this blueprint which we believe unseen leaders are following today, knowingly or not, to engineer the planned Third and Final World War.

About Albert Pike

Albert Pike was born on December 29, 1809, in Boston, and was the oldest of six children born to Benjamin and Sarah Andrews Pike. He studied at Harvard, and later served as a Brigadier-General in the Confederate Army. After the Civil War, Pike was found guilty of treason and jailed, only to be pardoned by fellow Freemason President Andrew Johnson on April 22, 1866, who met with him the next day at the White House. On June 20, 1867, Scottish Rite officials conferred upon Johnson the 4th to 32nd Freemasonry degrees, and he later went to Boston to dedicate a Masonic Temple.

Pike was said to be a genius, able to read and write in 16 different languages, although I cannot find a record anywhere of what those languages were. In addition, he is widely accused of plagiarism, so take with a pinch of salt. At various stages of his life we was a poet, philosopher, frontiersman, soldier, humanitarian and philanthropist. A 33rd degree Mason, he was one of the founding fathers, and head of the Ancient Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, being the Grand Commander of North American Freemasonry from 1859 and retained that position until his death in 1891. In 1869, he was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with whom he had constant communication. He was the Grand Master of a Luciferian group known as the Order of the Palladium (or Sovereign Council of Wisdom), which had been founded in Paris in 1737. Palladism had been brought to Greece from Egypt by Pythagoras in the fifth century, and it was this cult of Satan that was introduced to the inner circle of the Masonic lodges. It was aligned with the Palladium of the Templars. In 1801, Issac Long, a Jew, brought a statue of Baphomet (Satan) to Charleston, South Carolina, where he helped to establish the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. Long apparently chose Charleston because it was geographically located on the 33rd parallel of latitude (incidentally, so is Baghdad), and this council is considered to be the Mother Supreme Council of all Masonic Lodges of the World.
Pike was Long's successor, and he changed the name of the Order to the New and Reformed Palladian Rite (or Reformed Palladium). The Order contained two degrees:

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Adelph (or Brother), and
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Companion of Ulysses (or Companion of Penelope).

Pike's right-hand man was Phileas Walder, from Switzerland, who was a former Lutheran minister, a Masonic leader, occultist, and spiritualist. Pike also worked closely with Giusseppe Mazzini of Italy (1805-1872) who was a 33rd degree Mason, who became head of the Illuminati in 1834, and who founded the Mafia in 1860. Together with Mazzini, Lord Henry Palmerston of England (1784-1865, 33rd degree Mason), and Otto von Bismarck from Germany (1815-1898, 33rd degree Mason), Albert Pike intended to use the Palladian Rite to create a Satanic umbrella group that would tie all Masonic groups together.

Albert Pike died on April 2, 1891, and was buried in Oak Hill Cemetery, although the corpse of Pike currently lies in the headquarters of the Council of the 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in Washington, D.C. (see The Deadly Deception, by Jim Shaw - former 33rd degree Mason and Past Master of all Scottish Rite bodies.)

The Albert Pike Monument

Albert Pike made his mark before the war in Arkansas as a lawyer and writer, but as a Confederate Brigadier General, he was, according to the Arkansas Democrat of July 31, 1978, a complete "WASH-OUT," not a hero. Yet, Gen. Albert Pike is the only Confederate general with a statue on federal property in Washington, DC. He was honoured, not as a commander or even as a lawyer, but as Southern regional leader of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. The statue stands on a pedestal near the foot of Capitol Hill, between the Department of Labor building and the Municipal Building, between 3rd and 4th Streets, on D Street, NW. More detail about the monument, including a photo and map can be found here. Further background on the colorful history of the statue can be found at the Masonic Info website. During the 1992 presidential campaign, Lyndon H. LaRouche and his vice presidential running mate, the Reverend James Bevel, launched a mobilization to remove the statue of General Albert Pike from Washington, D.C.'s Judiciary Square. On February 1, the campaign drew an angry attack from freemasonic leader C. Fred Kleinknecht, who attempted to defend both Pike and the Ku Klux Klan from LaRouche and Bevel's attack. A speech given by LaRouche defending his actions can be found here (March 20, 1992). And a speech by Anton Chaitkin entitled 'Why Albert Pike's Statue Must Fall' can be found here (September 21, 1992).

The Illuminati and Albert Pike

Adam Weishaupt (1748 - 1811) formed the Order of Perfectibilists on May 1, 1776 (to this day celebrated as May Day throughout many western countries), which later became known as the Illuminati, a secret society whose name means "Enlightened Ones". Although the Order was founded to provide an opportunity for the free exchange of ideas, Weishaupt's background as a Jesuit seems to have influenced the actual character of the society, such that the express aim of this Order became to abolish Christianity, and overturn all civil government.

An Italian revolutionary leader, Giusseppe Mazzini (1805-1872), a 33rd degree Mason, was selected by the Illuminati to head their worldwide operations in 1834. (Mazzini also founded the Mafia in 1860). Because of Mazzini's revolutionary activities in Europe, the Bavarian government cracked down on the Illuminati and other secret societies for allegedly plotting a massive overthrow of Europe's monarchies. As the secrets of the Illuminati were revealed, they were persecuted and eventually disbanded, only to re-establish themselves in the depths of other organizations, of which Freemasonry was one.

During his leadership, Mazzini enticed Albert Pike into the (now formally disbanded, but still operating) Illuminati. Pike was fascinated by the idea of a one world government, and when asked by Mazzini, readily agreed to write a ritual tome that guided the transition from average high-ranking mason into a top-ranking Illuminati mason (33rd degree). Since Mazzini also wanted Pike to head the Illuminati's American chapter, he clearly felt Pike was worthy of such a task. Mazzini's intention was that once a mason had made his way up the Freemason ladder and proven himself worthy, the highest ranking members would offer membership to the secret 'society within a society'.

It is for this reason that most Freemasons vehemently deny the evil intentions of their fraternity. Since the vast majority never reach the 30th degree, they would not be aware of the real purpose behind Masonry. When instructing Pike how the tome should be developed, Mazzini wrote the following to Pike in a letter dated January 22, 1870. Remember that Freemasonry wasn't started by Pike - rather it was infiltrated by the Illuminati who were looking for a respectable forum in which to hide their clandestine activities:

"We must allow all the federations to continue just as they are, with their systems, their central authorities and their diverse modes of correspondence between high grades of the same rite, organized as they are at the present, but we must create a super rite, which will remain unknown, to which we will call those Masons of high degree whom we shall select. With regard to our brothers in Masonry, these men must be pledges to the strictest secrecy. Through this supreme rite, we will govern all Freemasonry which will become the one international center, the more powerful because its direction will be unknown." 1

In 1871, Pike published the 861 page Masonic handbook known as the Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.

After Mazzini's death on March 11, 1872, Pike appointed Adriano Lemmi (1822-1896, 33rd degree Mason), a banker from Florence, Italy, to run their subversive activities in Europe. Lemmi was a supporter of patriot and revolutionary Giuseppe Garibaldi, and may have been active in the Luciferian Society founded by Pike. Lemmi, in turn, was succeeded by Lenin and Trotsky, then by Stalin. The revolutionary activities of all these men were financed by British, French, German, and American international bankers; all of them dominated by the House of Rothschild.

Between 1859 and 1871, Pike worked out a military blueprint for three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world which he considered would forward the conspiracy to its final stage in the 20th Century.

In addition to the Supreme Council in Charleston, South Carolina, Pike established Supreme Councils in Rome, Italy (led by Mazzini); London, England (led by Palmerston); and Berlin, Germany (led by Bismarck). He set up 23 subordinate councils in strategic places throughout the world, including five Grand Central Directories in Washington, DC (North America), Montevideo (South America), Naples (Europe), Calcutta (Asia), and Mauritius (Africa), which were used to gather information. All of these branches have been the secret headquarters for the Illuminati's activities ever since.

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LAROUCHE FOR PRESIDENT ABC-TV NATIONWIDE BROADCAST October 25, 1992 The following program is authorized and paid for by: LaRouche for President Independents for Economic Recovery TITLE: "...principalities and powers..." An Address by Independent Presidential Candidate Lyndon H. LaRouche LAROUCHE (Speaking from Federal Prison, Rochester, MN): The World is now entering into the worst crisis of the 20th century, a crisis more deadly than that which built up around World War I and its aftermath, a crisis more deadly than that around World War II, its build-up and aftermath, and a crisis more deadly in some ways, than the longterm threat of nuclear war between the two superpower blocs, prior to the end of 1989. On the 16th of September, for example, we had a financial crisis, with repercussions since, which show that we've entered a new phase of a worldwide depression, which in physical terms, is far worse than the depression of the 1930s. In the meantime, we have the spread of war. You might say that World War III has already begun. We have a spreading war in the Balkans; we have a war in Transcaucuses, involving the Turkish population against the Armenians, and the Georgians against the Abkhazians, and so forth and so on; we have a war in Central Asia. We can say, in general, World War III is spreading rapidly in the form of these local wars. It's like a forest fire, threatening to engulf whole continents, and perhaps the world as a whole. The U.S. misery is beyond belief. The physical misery, the homelessness of a type which has not exisisted in the United States in this century, prevails. We have, coming out of the mouths of people like Clinton and Perot, proposals for so-called emergency action, which are almost identical to the austerity proposals of Benito Mussolini and his backer, Volpe di Misuratta, in Italy during the 1920s. Fascism is being presented as a remedy for the social unrest caused by depression. We have unjustice in this country beyond belief. We are now talking, at the Supreme Court level, about the need to execute death row prisoners, even if it is known that they are innocent of the crimes for which they are convicted -- murdering people for the sake of procedure -- that's the philosophy. This is no longer America. How did this happen? Look at this statue for a moment. Let's go back to the time of the man this statue depicts: General Albert Pike. To understand why the United States is in such a mess today -- why we not only have these troubles within our nation, but in our relations with the world at large; why the people in Washington seem to be incapable either of recognizing the problem, or proposing effective solutions; why Clinton and Perot, as well as Bush, show not the slightest comprehension of what our problem is -- we have to go back to the time of the Civil War, to the time of the man depicted by this statue, General Albert Pike: racist, traitor, and Satanic degenerate. The fact that that statue has stood in Washington, DC near the Supreme Court, beside the Labor Department building, maintained on public land at public expense, shows that there is a pervasive corruption and ignorance inside our government, which is the cause for the continuation of our present problems. Let's go back to those events of the Civil War, and trace it up to the present, to see what the problem is, and what we have to understand, to solve the problem before us. "Treason" What is called the U.S. Civil War, the most devastating war in our history, was NOT a war between the states. It was a civil war in the sense that a faction, including Bostonians such as Albert Pike, New Yorkers such as John Slidell, and so forth, were all part of a British conspiracy, run through the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, which took over control of the states, with the aid of a traitor at the head of the Democratic Party, August Belmont, a confessed traitor, in order to destroy the United States, by dividing it into several parts, so that the British might control it. VOICE: "New York would...cut loose from the Puritanical East.... She would open her magnificant port to the commerce of the world...as an independent city-state...." (August Belmont) LAROUCHE: This was not a Southern conspiracy; it was a consipiracy by British-controlled traitors to the United States, to take over the southern states, the slave-owning states, as a way of dividing the United States into several parts, which might be kept in perpetual conflict with each other, to eliminate the United Staes as both a factor in world politics, and also to weaken it to the point that the image of the United States, of the American Revolution, might be erased from the memory and hopes of people around the world. For example, Albert Pike, the traitor whose statue we've seen, was from Boston; Louisiana's John Slidell was an in-law of August Belmont, the traitor from New York City; one of the worse of the traitors, Captain James Bulloch, was the uncle, and, for a considerable period of time, the political mentor of a President of the United States, his nephew, Teddy Roosevelt, the man who was President in 1901, at the time when this statue was consecrated. In the 1830s, Pike, a Bostonian, was sent down to the South by his fellow Bostonian, Caleb Cushing, also a member of the plot. By 1859, Pike had risen to the position of Supreme Commander of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite, and thus the supreme commander of the forces of the Confederate conspiracy, which had now moved to take over the relevant states against the opposition of such patriots as Texas's Sam Houston, who was opposed to this conspiracvy. Pike, as head of the Southern Freemasons, was not only the racist who later formed the Ku Kux Klan at the Nashville, Tennessee Maxwell House Hotel in 1867, Pike was also a Satanist. In his own words, as Pike said in Paris in 1889, Pike explained the religion of his Freemasonic cult, as follows: VOICE: "The true philosophical religion, is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonai...." (Albert Pike) LAROUCHE: Pike's Freemasonic plot had two subordinate arms. The first, founded in 1843, was the B'nai B'rith. Now, the B'nai B'rith was not the representation of Jewish organizations in the United States. Quite the contrary, the majority of Jews in the United States were violently opposed to slavery, in the tradition of the Passover seder, and during the Civil War fought, or otherwise aided the Union, in the cause of crushing slavery and maintaining the Union. The B'nai B'rith was founded as the pro-slavery racist faction among Jews. The B'nai B'rith of Freemasonry became the Confederate spy organiation, later headed by Judah Benjamin, who was involved in the plot to kill Lincoln, among other things, and who worked very closely with Pike. In fact, Judah Benjamin played a key role, together with Pike, in founding the Ku Kux Klan in Tennessee in 1867. The second subordinate organization of relevance of the Southern Jurisdiction of Freemasonry was what was the fighting arm of Freemasonry, which was known originally as the Knights of the Golden Circle, the precursor of the Ku Kux Klan. These three elements -- Pike's Freemasonic Lucifer worshipping cult; B'nai B'rith; and the Ku Kux Klan -- have been continuously interconnected from 1867 down through the present day. "Friends and Enemies" LAROUCHE: At the time that Lincoln was inaugurated, the Confederacy went into open secession, open revolt. At that time, the leading enemies of the United States were Britain, under the leadership of Lord Palmerston, who was otherwise known as the author of the Second and Third Opium Wars against China; and Palmerston's political catamite -- the man that Palmerston, in fact, put into power in France, Napoleon III. The friends of the United States were Russia, the Russia of Czar Alexander II more specifically; and also the Meiji Restoration forces in Japan; friends in Germany; and (you might not know it, but it's significant) the King of Thailand. This alignment of friends and enemies became crucial in the course of the 20th century. By 1862, it became clear, that once Lincoln had replaced more or less treasonous generals like General McClelland, the protege of August Belmont who refused to win the battle of Antietam, that the United States was organized in such a fashion that, by its own means, the Union would win the battle against the Confederacy, unless outside military interference occurred, to prevent that from occurring. At that time, Lord Palmerston's Britain and France's Napoleon III agreed to deploy British and French naval forces to attempt to break the Union blockade of the Confederacy, and thus enable France and Britain to reinforce the Confederacy, perhaps not to win the Civil War, but to make it so costly that the United States would bend to the will of the British government and accept a separate peace with the British Confederate puppet. At that point, Alexander II, the Czar of Russia, intervened. He prepared to send naval forces, which he did in 1863, to aid the United States. The Russian Navy arrived in New York City and San Francisco on friendship visits; and the commanders of these Russian flotillas, had sealed orders. In the event that Napoleon III or Britain, or both, should intervene against the Union, to attempt to break the Union blockade or other actions, these sealed orders would be opened, and Russia would go to war against Britian and France, in aid of its ally, the Union. At that point, Britain backed down, and the United States was able to settle its internal affairs by its own means. That began a worldwide movement, under which the United States was implicitly the ally or the friend of Alexander II's Russia, and of Germany, against our deadly enemies Britain and Napoleon III's France, until about the end of the century when things began to change. During that period, despite the assassination of Alexander II by forces friendly to Britain inside Russia, the policy of Alexander II was continued. A small group of the Russian nobility and others continued this admiration of the American System policy. At the same time, Count Sergei Witte, the leader of various governments of the Czar, reached out to Germany and to France, in an effort to get Continental cooperation for a general economic development of all Eurasia, based on cooperation initially in building railway lines which would extend from Brest on the coast of France, through Paris, to Vladivostok. And, of course, the Germans had a related policy of moving a rail line to from Berlin to Baghdad. The British reacted with violence to this, because they saw that the economic development of of the continent of Eurasia meant an end to their dream of a worldwide, single one-world British empire. The idea that the United States, which had been traditionally (since Lincoln, at least) had been allied with Russia (or at least, that faction in Russia which Witte represented) and with the more positive forces in Germany, and forces around the Meiji Restoration in Japan (which in the 19th century were very close to the United States) and forces for independence, anti-British forces such as those of Sun Yat Sen, for example in China -- that these forces united, would mean an end to the British Empire, and the British had to break up that coalition. And, thus we had in the 20th century this upsurge of wars and revolutions, including World War I, which were entirely orchestrated by the British. "The Change" LAROUCHE: The shooting, the execution, of President William McKinley by admirers of Teddy Roosevelt from the Henry Street Settlement House, not only brought Teddy Roosevelt to power, but effected fundamental changes in the internal and foreign policy of the United States. Instead of having as our friends and allies, Germany, the faction of Alexander II and Witte in Russia, the Meiji Restoration forces in Japan, these became our enemies. And, our former enemies in London and within France, the faction of Napoleon III, became our new allies. Against Russia -- although we allied with Russia against Germany later -- Teddy Roosevelt's friends in the grain cartel and elsewhere, were active not only in suporting radical groups for the overthrow of the Czar, but in collaborating with the government of Lenin and Trotsky in the earliest period, to help build up the institutions of Bolshevik power, and to enter into partnerships with the new Bolshevik powers. That was a big change! The domestic changes included the following. TR wanted to crack political opposition in the United States, and for this purpose, he wanted to create a national police force like that of France's Napoleon III. He retained as his Attorney General, Charles Bonaparte, who was a nephew of Napoleon III, and he created a national police force called the National Bureau of Investigation, the predecessor of the FBI. Later on, Roosevelt was crucial, in collaboration with the backers of Woodrow Wilson (who was a like-minded scoundrel), in giving us two other institutions: the Federal Reserve System, and the Federal income tax system. Without the collaboration between Teddy Roosevelt and Wilson, these would never have occurred. And thus, the United States was placed under the control of a debt system in which our national finance and banking was at the mercy of private interests, to loot us almost as they will. This arrangement, or rearrangement, of the political map brought the United States into World War I, a war whose purpose was to further Britain's fear of Continental economic development, by playing one nation of the Continent against one another in bloddy war (even with a lot of British sacrifice thrown in to facilitate that); and to allow Britain to go on, with the collaboration of its new junior partner, the United States, to establish a new, one-world empire in the image of the Roman Empire. For that purpose, the victorious Allies, the Anglo-Americans and their French political catamite partners, established the Treaty of Versailles and its institutions at the end of World War I -- including the League of Nations, which was supposed to gradually put into place this new, one-world empire. Well, that didn't work out too well. The Great Depression, and other events, intervened. GRAPHIC: George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, by Webster Griffin Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin LAROUCHE: As this carefully researched book documents the facts, in 1932-1933, this British group and its friends in New York City, put Adolf Hitler into power in Germany. Let's emphasize: Adolf Hitler did not come to power because the German people put him into power, but because the Anglo-American occupying powers which controlled Germany's finances, put him into power. In point of fact, in 1932, an international conference on eugenics was held, sponsored by the mother of Averill Harriman, and others, at the American Museum of Natural History in New York City. This conference was addressed by Hitler's personal race theorist, Ernst Rudin. At the end of that conference, Ernst Rudin was elected unanimously president of the International Federation of Eugenics Societies, and Mrs. Harriman and others stated, that they admired the Nazi Party because of those racial purification dogmas presented by Ernst Rudin. GRAPHIC: "It is unfortunate that the anti-Nazi propaganda with which all countries have been flooded has gone far to obscure the correct understanding and the great importance of the German racial policy." (from an article titled "The German Racial Policy" by Dr. C.G. Campbell, Honorary President of the Eugenics Research Association, in the March-April, 1936 issue of Eugenical News) So, they knew what they were doing. This led to war, World War II. There's no need to go into the details of that. The point is: during the last years of World War II, the Allies -- Britain, the United States, and Moscow -- set up a series of institutions, constituting a new set of Versailles agreements. Throughout the postwar peiod following World War II, the United States and Britain operated on the basis of what were called, generically, the Yalta agreements. That is, despite the conflicts, including the threat of thermonuclear war, between the Soviet Empire and the Anglo-Americans throughout most of this period, at all times, there was a back-channel relationship, to such effect (as Henry Kissinger, for example emphasized a number of times) that whenever Moscow, together with London and Washington, would come to an agreement on world policy, the rest of the world had to obey. So, there was a kind of condominium in effect, all through this period. That process came to an end, beginning late November, 1989, when a sequence of events was unleased which led to the crumbling of the Berlin Wall, and led to the crumbling of what Winston Churchill had called, the Iron Curtain. "After the Wall Fell" LAROUCHE: The policy fight had begun even before the Wall collapsed, or even before most people around the world knew it was going to collapse. The policy fight began with my address at the Kempinski Hotel on Columbus Day, October 12, 1988: "Under proper conditions, many today will agree the time has come for early steps toward the re-unification of Germany, with the obvious prospect that Berlin might resume its role as the nation's capitol." A year later, the Wall came down, at which time, I introduced a program for a world-wide economic recovery, a program based on using the economic potential of Central Europe, the so-called "economic productive triangle," to regenerate economic growth in Eurasia -- very much along the lines which Count Witte had desired at the end of the last century and the early part of this century. GRAPHIC: "The Paris-Berlin-Vienna Triangle: Locomotive of the World Economy -- Lyndon LaRouche's Program for Reversing the World Depression" (pamphlet) LAROUCHE: Had that program been adopted, as many sympathized with it and were working to have it adopted, we would be in an economic recovery, not a depression, today. Around Margart Thatcher madmen, like Connor Cruise O'Brien and Nicholas Ridley, we began to hear the words, "a Fourth Reich," and how Germany must be stopped from engaging in ventures in which German economic power, with or without France, might play a large role in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union. In order to assist in stopping programs like the Triangle program, which I had proposed, from being implemented, friends of Kisinger, such as Britain's Lord Carrington, or the State Department's Lawrence Eagleburger, unleashed their Serbian military puppets to enact genocide and other war crimes on other sections of the population of the former nation of Yugoslavia, thus creating a Balkan ulcer of war, which threatens to destroy Central Europe and much more within. For the same reason, the same geopolitical reason, that the British had orchestrated the creation of World War I, and that Anglo-Americans, by putting Hitler into power in Germany, had created the preconditions for World War II, these madmen, typified by Kissinger cronies Carrington and Eagleburger, with their Balkan adventures, were back to World War I drafting boards, starting another world war -- of little wars in the Transcaucusus, the Balkans, Central Asia, and elsewhere, with potential nuclear implications, spreading and spreading throughout the world, until the whole world itself, under conditions of depression, might be engulfed in war. The worst depression of this century is in full swing. We having spreading wars in the Balkans, Transcaucusus, Central Asia. And, we're at the verge of movement to a change of government which might be a hard-line development around Moscow in the very near future. This all is the result of the horrible mismanagment of the post-1989 period, by the U.S. and British governments, chiefly. Thus, the legacy of this statue of racist, treasonous, Satanic Albert Pike, still influences the domestic and foreign policy shaping of Washington, DC. If we do not root out of our republic, the treason, the corruption, the degerneracy which Albert Pike and his collaborators and followers represent, there is no chance that the United States will prevail as a nation, either in its domestic affairs, or its foreign affairs. Unless we act now, to reject all lesser evils which compromise with what this statue symbolizes, there is no hope that the United States will escape the kind of Hell which world famine, world disease, spreading war, and economic depression generally, portend. GRAPHIC: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" (Ephesians 6:12) Lyndon H. LaRouche is on the ballot in Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, District of Columbia, Iowa, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, North Dakota, Ohio, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin All other States, write in LaRouche and Bevel For more information, write LaRouche for President P.O. Box 266 Leesburg, VA 22075 The preceding program was authorized and paid for by: LaRouche for President Independents for Economic Recovery

Speech by Presidential candidate Lyndon LaRouche stating that World War III had already begun (October 25, 1992).

hagbard_celine
23-02-2007, 10:57 AM
part 1 That's just it, you don't know the guy or the trouble he still has identifying himself, thanks to all the trouble he put the US govt through. He has trouble opening a bank account because the banks think he's dead.

part 2 Doubt away but don't you think he's just standing up for what he knows is the truth, and i think he has every right just because his story doesn't sound believable to YOU

part 3 HE HAS......http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/

Of course he's got every right to say whatever he likes. I just don't find him very credible right now. If I change my mind I'll let you know.

oneofmany
23-02-2007, 11:23 AM
Of course he's got every right to say whatever he likes. I just don't find him very credible right now. If I change my mind I'll let you know.

that's cool :cool: It's just info :)