"the arrivals"

[afrikan_serpent]

Hello,

Has anyone seen the above documentray by Noreaga & Achernahr(the wakeup project), if so, what was you opinion on it?

I found it to be eye-opening and very shocking. I feel like i have been lied to my entire life and exposed to a system that i want no part of.
The general message i have taken from it is that we are all a people that have been divided by corrupted leaders across the world, & convinced to hate each other and our various religions. While it would seem that the truth is that we all praise the same God at the end of the day, but get caught up in defending our own beliefs, because that is what weve been taught to do by our elders.

For example, before watching that doc, my attitude was this;
God is everywhere and in everything we are all energy and our mind is where God really lives(sort of panethesim/new age philosophy)
All muslims are extremists and would love to kill my infidel self..
Islam is a bogus religion
the war in the middle east is for control of resources
the illuminati is not real

i have since had a major shock to my paradigm & i have begun to search for the truth... i will piece it all together one day, i hope & pray.

To all christians, muslims and jews, i would like to say...you are all my brethren, regardless of race or creed, we all praise the same God, albeit in different ways... may we unite in our faith...stop hating on each other and help turn ourselves around so we might discover peace within ourselves and others...

Praise be to Allah, Jesus & Jehova...big ups from Afrika!

[elirien]

Hello,

For example, before watching that doc, my attitude was this;
God is everywhere and in everything we are all energy and our mind is where God really lives(sort of panethesim/new age philosophy)


Welcome afrikan_serpent,

the point is that the above is not New Age philosophy but older then anything. It is called Tawhid in Islam. If you look at it from a perspective of lower ego, what is called Nafs in Islam you will take it as people saying "I am God" but that is not what it is. What there is emphasized is that "God" is for the ego a concept to believe in but in truth ego or I, Me is a concept. That is what is meant actually in that sentence. As how it is with many religions that sentence struck such a cord with people and disturbed the I-Me idea so much that they had to label it as something and put it away to not ponder upon because if they did they would reach the conclusion that the I-Me's are just hollow identifications made upon phenomena. Example, "I am happy", "I am angry" are just emotions which don't need any self identification but the mind is happy to sit on it after it happens.

The Arrivals:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40091

Welcome and bless you.

[orlibonurb]

To all christians, muslims and jews, i would like to say...you are all my brethren, regardless of race or creed

Indeed, I've had friends from all creeds and religions, and I loved them all, had great moments with all kinds of different people.

we all praise the same God, albeit in different ways...

Sorry, but that's not true . . . at all. The living God is the God of Abraham, Jacob & Isaac, He is Jesus. Allah is the pre-arabic pagan moon-god (which can be easily verified in all major Encyclopedias of religion & mythology.


may we unite in our faith...stop hating on each other and help turn ourselves around so we might discover peace within ourselves and others...

Again, sorry but no 1 world religion for me. As a born-again Christian, filled with the Holy Spirit (promised by the living God) I will always say Jesus is the only way you'll ever have eternal life. That being said, I absolutely respect every religion or belief system people have. Not for one second I hate someone who is not saved / follows false religions.

Ephesians {2:8} For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: {2:9} Not of works, lest any man should boast.

I've heard that from a lot of Muslims, saying we "praise the same God" - that's really how insecure they are. Just when we ask them "how sure are you that you'll go to heaven", they will say "I don't know". If you knew the true and living God, you would know.


And again, I care not if people are Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus or whatever, they are people, they have their life stories, their emotions, their ups and downs, their dreams, their aspirations. Uniting under a 1 world religion thou, no thanks. That's what Satan wants, along with the coming 1 world government, just like in tower of Babel.


To all christians, muslims and jews, i would like to say...you are all my brethren, regardless of race or creed

In any case, this was very well said. I feel the same way towards all people.

[nioz]

@ orlibonurb, hi

Originally Posted by orlibonurb
Sorry, but that's not true . . . at all. The living God is the God of Abraham, Jacob & Isaac, He is Jesus. Allah is the pre-arabic pagan moon-god (which can be easily verified in all major Encyclopedias of religion & mythology.

Wrong, do your research again. Jesus (peace be upon him) spoke the Aramic language, check out the sound, spelling, and writing of the word 'God' in Aramic.
Youre intentionally or unintentionally participating in blasphemy.


Again, sorry but no 1 world religion for me. As a born-again Christian, filled with the Holy Spirit (promised by the living God) I will always say Jesus is the only way you'll ever have eternal life. That being said, I absolutely respect every religion or belief system people have. Not for one second I hate someone who is not saved / follows false religions.

What about all the people that have lived before Jesus(peace be upon him)? Hell?

What about those civilizations whom have perished without ever hearing the gospel? Hell?

Jesus (peace be upon him) came with the word of God, Jesus (peace be upon him) did not came with a new religion nor did he start Christianity.



I've heard that from a lot of Muslims, saying we "praise the same God" - that's really how insecure they are. Just when we ask them "how sure are you that you'll go to heaven", they will say "I don't know". If you knew the true and living God, you would know.


God is the most benificent, the most mercifull, the all knowing, the all seeing, the all hearing, the all powerfull, the most compasionate, the one and only judge, the most justfull, and the most forgiving.

We are taught that it is forbidden to judge over others to say like
he is going to hell / he is going to heaven
He is a good man / He is a bad man.

Only God is the all knowing and the one and only Judge, and God knows best.
If you know that you are entering paradise that would mean that you think you 'earn' paradise, the opposite is true..

Even the best person that has lived on earth did not 'deserve' anything.
It's all out the infinite mercy of God.
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By the way, Jesus (peace be upon him) is not God.

God is one.
God is uncomparable
God is unimaginable
God is not in need nor can God be affected.


Peace

[timehasanend]

By the way, Jesus (peace be upon him) is not God.

God is one.
God is uncomparable
God is unimaginable
God is not in need nor can God be affected.


Peace

You forget one thing my friend,

"God is a Spirit, and they that WORSHIP Him MUST worship him in Spririt and in Truth" -John 4:24


"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him."-John 4:23


If you are NOT woshipping God (the Spririt) in Truth, then you are NOT woshipping Him at all.

How can you woship God in Spririt? You have to go "through" his Son.

Who is His Son? Jesus Christ, The Annointed One (Christ) The Messiah, The Prince of Peace, Emmanuel (God with us)


GOD IS INVISIBLE AND IS EXPRESSED THROUGH THEOPHANIES.

GOD IS ALSO EXPRESSED THROUGH HUMAN FORM, WHO IS THAT BODY? Jesus the Christ, THE SON OF GOD


"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell" -Colossians 1:12-19


When you see Jesus, my friend, you will see GOD.

Blessings on your quest for truth!

[orlibonurb]

By the way, Jesus (peace be upon him) is not God.



Jesus is God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit. These three are one and the same.

1 John {5:7} For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Islam, of course, says Jesus was just a prophet ...... Jesus (the true Messiah) is the main problem to Satan. As long as the masses are led astray to the gospel (good news of eternal salvation), they are done.


John {8:56} Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it,] and was glad. {8:57} Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? {8:58} Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. {8:59} Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Exodus {3:14} And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.


John {10:30} I and [my] Father are one. {10:31} Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. {10:32} Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? {10:33} The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.


As for salvation before Jesus, they had the law of Moses, they had to keep it, perform some rituals and on and on. Jesus came to fulfill the law

Matthew {5:17} Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Sin always had to be taken care of (sin entering the world, which was perfectly created at first, was the consequence of desobedience towards the living God in the garden of Eden) ........

Romans {5:12} Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

....... Jesus (God in the flesh), was the ultimate sacrifice - the final victory was achieved over Satan and over sin,

Hebrews {10:10} By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all. ] {10:11} And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: {10:12} But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; {10:13} From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. {10:14} For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


Conclusion,

John {14:6} Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. {14:7} If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.


Contrary to whatever people want to belief, God does not tolerate sin, end of story, but He did provide a way,

Romans {5:8} But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. {5:9} Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Also, contrary to today's society, people don't even understand the concept of sin. "We" were so blinded from the truth, we can't even see anymore. War is not enough, mass starvation, poverty, false religions, liars, etc etc is not enough for people to understand the consequences of our fallen sinful nature.

2 Corinthians {4:4} In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

The god (lower g) of this world is obviously Satan.



http://www.truthnet.org/Christianity/Whyjesus/Salvation-2.gif

A "bridge" per say, was provided - JESUS !

http://www.firstbaptistcolchester.org/images/bridge_tract/tract_kjv_11.jpg

Will you cross the bridge or will you fall, I don't know. I do know many will, indeed, fall and few will cross it,

Matthew {7:13} Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: {7:14} Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

[orlibonurb]

Only God is the all knowing and the one and only Judge, and God knows best.
If you know that you are entering paradise that would mean that you think you 'earn' paradise, the opposite is true.

No.

Ephesians {2:8} For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: {2:9} Not of works, lest any man should boast.

"Not of works". There's nothing I can do to "earn" salvation and have eternal life with the living God, Jesus (the Alpha & Omega, the beggining and end, who also lived among His creation to die for their sins).

Anyways, we are saved by His grace. It is a free gift. We don't "earn" it. If someone offers you a gift, you don't buy it lol. We either accept it or reject it.

Now, I do know where I'm going. I can tell I go to bed every night and wake up every morning knowing where I'm headed where I die,

John {14:16} And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; {14:17} [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. {14:18} I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John {15:26} But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: {15:27} And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.


Conclusion,

John {5:39} Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. {5:40} And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. {5:41} I receive not honour from men.


If you don't go to bed every night and wake up every morning knowing you are headed towards eternity / Heaven when you die, then you are not serving the living God.

[nioz]

God is One

Jesus is God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit. These three are one and the same.


Where in the bible says Jesus (peace be upon him) that he himself is God in flesh and blood? Or that he himself should be worshipped and prayed to?

* Mark 13:32:"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

* John 14:28: "You heard me say,'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I

* John 20:17: "Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them,'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"

“God the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and the Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see” (1 Timothy ch. 6, vv. 15-16).


There are numerous contradictions in the bible that show that Jesus (peace be upon him) can not be God.

Can you tell me which arguments you use to actually proof that Jesus is God?

The virgin birth of Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him? What about Adam (peace be upon him) ?

The uncountable miracles? Many prophets came with miracles.

[orlibonurb]

God is One

Exactly, and He has 3 caracthers,

Jesus is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit (as I already said),


1 John {5:7} For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1x1x1=1= Jesus


Will post it again,

John {8:56} Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it,] and was glad. {8:57} Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? {8:58} Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. {8:59} Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Exodus {3:14} And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.



1 Timothy {3:16} And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


John {1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. {1:2} The same was in the beginning with God. {1:3} All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John {1:14} And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


There are numerous contradictions in the bible that show that Jesus (peace be upon him) can not be God.

No, there aren't. Quite the opposite, it's all over the Word of God,

Jesus Christ is God Incarnate
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/jesusgd2.htm

[jktruth]

if jesus pbuh is god then who did he pray to? who was looking after the world when he was supposedly dead for a dew days? in islam we believe in his miracle birth, he is constantly reffered to as son of Mary, Mary has her own chapter, but yes god is his father as there was no male intervention. however he was sent as a prophet, it's quite interesting how and when people started to think he was actually god, and not the son or messenger.

the arrivals is brilliant by the way. as is this series of videos. very bennificial for this quiery.

http://divinebook.technocrazed.com/episode-4-original-bible

jesus is mentioned in the quran more than muhammad himself, may gods peace and blessings be upon them both. jesus sallalahu alayi wasalam is mentioned 154 times, in 19 surahs! he is that important that we believe he is going to return at the end of time for the final war against the army of the antichrist. the arrivals explains all of this.

we do worship the same god, the only god. allah is not a "moon god" if you wished to read the quran you would see this.

http://www.arrivals.technocrazed.com/episode-38-the-story-of-isla

in the name of god, the most benificent, the most merciful.

"Surely those who believe, and those who are jews, and the christians, and the Sabians - whoever believes in God and the last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their lord, and there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve." (2:62) the noble Quran.

the teachings of Moses, Jesus and Muhhamad, may the peace of god be on them all, there is not an iota of difference.

please watch the "divine book" series. very interesting.

[orlibonurb]

we do worship the same god, the only god. allah is not a "moon god" if you wished to read the quran you would see this.

No, we don't. I worship the living God (Jesus, who is God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit), and have His Holy Spirit in me, as a born-again believer (John 3:3).


John {14:16} And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; {14:17} [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. {14:18} I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


John {15:26} But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: {15:27} And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.


Again, no we don't and here's why, this is allah (pre-arabic pagan moon-god),




"The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called Allah" - (Encyclopedia off Islam, I:302, Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1913, Houtsma).



"The name Allah, as the Quran itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Africa" - (Islam: Muhammad, and His Religion, New York: The Liberal Arts Press, 1958, p. 85).



The word "Allah" comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article "the" and ilah is an Arabic word for "god." It is not a foreign word. It is not even the Syriac word for God. It is pure Arabic. - (There is an interesting discussion of the origins of Allah, in "Arabic Lexicographical Miscellanies" by J. Blau in the Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol. XVII, #2, 1972, pp. 173-190).



Neither is Allah a Hebrew or Greek word for God as found in the Bible. Allah is a purely Arabic term used in reference to an Arabian deity. Hastings' Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics I:326, T & T Clark, states:

'"Allah" is a proper name, applicable only to their [Arabs'] peculiar God. '



According to the Encyclopedia of Religion:

'"Allah" is a pre-Islamic name . . . corresponding to the Babylonian Bel' - (Encyclopedia of Religion, I:117 Washington DC, Corpus Pub., 1979).



For those who find it hard to believe that Allah was a pagan name for a peculiar pagan Arabian deity in pre-Islamic times, the following quotations may be helpful:

"Allah is found . . . in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam" - (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643).



"The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called Allah" - (Encyclopedia off Islam, I:302, Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1913, Houtsma).



"Allah was known to the pre-Islamic . . . Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities" - (Encyclopedia off Islam, I:406, ed. Gibb).



"Ilah . . . appears in pre-Islamic poetry . . . By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to Allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry" - Encyclopedia off Islam, III:1093, 1971).



"The name Allah goes back before Muhammad" - (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, I:41, Anthony Mercatante, New York, The Facts on File, 1983).



"The origin of this (Allah) goes back to pre-Muslim times. Allah is not a common name meaning "God" (or a "god"), and the Muslim must use another word or form if he wishes to indicate any other than his own peculiar deity" - (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, I:326, Hastings).



To the testimony of the above standard reference works, we add those of such scholars as Henry Preserved Smith of Harvard University who has stated:

"Allah was already known by name to the Arabs" - (The Bible and Islam: or, The Influence of the Old and New Testament on the Religion of Mohammed, New York, Charles Scribner's Sons, 1897, p. 102).



Dr. Kenneth Cragg, former editor of the prestigious scholarly journal Muslim World and an outstanding modern Western Islamic scholar, whose works are generally published by Oxford University, comments:

"The name Allah is also evident in archeological and literary remains of pre-Islamic Arabia" - (The Call of the Minaret, New York: Oxford University Press, 1956, p. 31).



"In recent years I have become increasingly convinced that for an adequate understanding of the career of Muhammad and the origins of Islam great importance must be attached to the existence in Mecca of belief in Allah as a "high god." In a sense this is a form of paganism, but it is so different from paganism as commonly understood that it deserves separate treatment" - (William Montgomery Watt, Muhammad's Mecca, p. vii. Also see his article, "Belief in a High God in Pre-Islamic Mecca", Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol. 16, 1971, pp. 35-40).



Caesar Farah in his book on Islam concludes his discussion of the pre-Islamic meaning of Allah by saying:

"There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews" - (Islam: Beliefs and Observations, New York, Barrons, 1987, p. 28).



According to Middle East scholar E.M. Wherry, whose translation of the Quran is still used today, in pre-Islamic times Allah-worship, as well as the worship of Ba-al, were both astral religions in that they involved the worship of the sun, the moon, and the stars - (A Comprehensive Commentary on the Quran, Osnabruck: Otto Zeller Verlag, 1973, p. 36).



Astral Religions

In Arabia, the sun god was viewed as a female goddess and the moon as the male god. As has been pointed out by many scholars such as Alfred Guilluame, the moon god was called by various names, one of which was Allah! - (Islam, p. 7).

The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to other titles that could be given to him.

Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called "the daughters of Allah." These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.

The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as "high" gods. That is, they were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities.

"Along with Allah, however, they worshipped a host of lesser gods and "daughters of Al-lah" - (Encyclopedia of World Mythology and Legend, I:61)".



The cult of the crescent moon

http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/images/symbols/crescent-200.gif





Sîn: Moon god in 2100 BC

"Sin.—The moon-god occupied the chief place in the astral triad. Its other two members, Shamash the sun and Ishtar the planet Venus, were his children. Thus it was, in effect, from the night that light had emerged....In his physical aspect Sin—who was venerated at Ur under the name of Nannar—was an old man with along beard the color of lapis-lazuli. He normally wore a turban. Every evening he got into his barque—which to mortals appeared in the form of a brilliant crescent moon—and navigated the vast spaces of the nocturnal sky. Some people, however, believed that the luminous crescent was Sin’s weapon. But one day the crescent gave way to a disk which stood out in the sky like a gleaming crown. There could be no doubt that this was the god’s own crown; and then Sin was called "Lord of the Diadem". These successive and regular transformations lent Sin a certain mystery. For this reason he was considered to be ‘He whose deep heart no god can penetrate’... Sin was also full of wisdom. At the end of every month the gods came to consult them and he made decisions for them...His wife was Ningal, ‘the great Lady’. He was the father not only of Shamash and Ishtar but also of a son Nusku, the god fire." - (Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology, 1960, p 54-56)



http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-babylonian-moon.gif

Harran was likewise noted for its devotion to the moon-god. is shown to the right. Note the presence of the crescent moon on the Babylonian moon-god.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-babylonian-2100bc-nannar.jpg

Nannar with the 'three muses' and Eternally Fruiting Orb - Ur-Nammu (Maspero 655)


Moon Gods and Moon Goddesses
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/polytheisticreligions/tp/MoonGods.htm[/QUOTE]

[orlibonurb]

if jesus pbuh is god then who did he pray to? who was looking after the world when he was supposedly dead for a dew days?

The Almighty powerful and sovereign creator of the entire universe has no problem whatsoever of becoming a man and still being God (which is the case).


Matthew {19:26} But Jesus beheld [them,] and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

All things, not "some". Afterall we are talking about the Most High, the Alpha & Omega, the beggining and end. The one who simply is.

[jktruth]

is that it? your basing that on Encyclopedias that were most likely written by the illuminati.

you think that muslims do not worship the creator of the universe and everything within it? "do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit of creation. before we clove them asunder"

also says that "we are expanding it" http://www.wakeupproject.com/VList.asp?Series=28&Video=144

my friend. please watch the divine book series

as for the moon and star, i believe that is a man made trait as i have not stumbled across anywhere in the quran where it says your logo should be a cresent moon with a star.

[elirien]

Allah means God in Arabic. What Ancient Arabs did was saying this thing is this is the most high. Mohammad came and said no that is not the most high that is a block of wood. Quite similar to the consciousness of these people. We don't have to become idol worshiping Arabs to understand that. Although one is free to do that also.

The mentality is quite easy to understand here. A signpost is first taken as truth and then said it is not truth. Yeah, it isn't. It is a signpost.

Let's take one example:


Neither is Allah a Hebrew or Greek word for God as found in the Bible. Allah is a purely Arabic term used in reference to an Arabian deity. Hastings' Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics I:326, T & T Clark, states:

For example, if you look at a King James Bible or a NIV Bible or let's say Turkish Translation of the bible you wont have the word Allah in there because these are different languages but if you take up an Arabic Bible you will have the word Allah right there.

What's the problem with this anyway? Why should one condemn Germans because they say "Gott" or the French people because they say "Dieu"? :D