David has totally lost it...

[ap12345]

This is just total insanity he is peddling now, it was bad enough that he was going with the world is run by giant lizards nonsense but know he is peddling a theory which is ridiculous to anyone who has a basic understanding of physics.

If the moon was a giant spaceship which as hollow, it wouldn't have the mass to have the tidal effects it has on the oceans.

It has become clear to me that David is obviously working to discredit the truth movement with this insanity. Because from looking at all of his work and success its clear to see he isn't stupid.

I could overlook the reptilian stuff, but this is just too far. He has totally lost it.

I certainly won't be coming back to his website as often in the future, and to be honest after the lack of a depression which everyone was screaming about and the whole swine flu debacle where alex jones had some guy on his radio show suggesting it was the end of the world i am starting to wonder if i have bought into one more big lie.

[les_paul_robot]

Yawn
http://whybenormal.today.com/files/2009/03/yawn-1.jpg
There is life outside our planet and solar system.
Get over it.
Some of it is probably reptilian in appearance. Woah, so far fetched. :rolleyes:

And if you haven't noticed, theories about the moon being artificial are NOT new. He didn't just invent this stuff.

[paolo]

This is just total insanity he is peddling now, it was bad enough that he was going with the world is run by giant lizards nonsense but know he is peddling a theory which is ridiculous to anyone who has a basic understanding of physics.

If the moon was a giant spaceship which as hollow, it wouldn't have the mass to have the tidal effects it has on the oceans.

It has become clear to me that David is obviously working to discredit the truth movement with this insanity. Because from looking at all of his work and success its clear to see he isn't stupid.

I could overlook the reptilian stuff, but this is just too far. He has totally lost it.

I certainly won't be coming back to his website as often in the future, and to be honest after the lack of a depression which everyone was screaming about and the whole swine flu debacle where alex jones had some guy on his radio show suggesting it was the end of the world i am starting to wonder if i have bought into one more big lie.
Actually, the manufactured swine flu died out because a critical mass realised it was a fraud. If everyone had not had the internet, and had bought into it, it would not have peaked before the vaccine was produced, and may well have laid waste millions
Such is the nature of things - knowledge is power
I remain open to theories on the moon. What's your problem? Do you know the detail?

[pound]

David has totally lost it...

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k50/siolfir/Fun%20Posters/deadhorse.jpg

[armoured_amazon]

This is just total insanity he is peddling now, it was bad enough that he was going with the world is run by giant lizards nonsense but know he is peddling a theory which is ridiculous to anyone who has a basic understanding of physics.

If the moon was a giant spaceship which as hollow, it wouldn't have the mass to have the tidal effects it has on the oceans.

It has become clear to me that David is obviously working to discredit the truth movement with this insanity. Because from looking at all of his work and success its clear to see he isn't stupid.

I could overlook the reptilian stuff, but this is just too far. He has totally lost it.

I certainly won't be coming back to his website as often in the future, and to be honest after the lack of a depression which everyone was screaming about and the whole swine flu debacle where alex jones had some guy on his radio show suggesting it was the end of the world i am starting to wonder if i have bought into one more big lie.

You can still visit the forum without subscribing to all his views :) Without offence intended, David Icke is the last person on my mind when I come here. I come to read informative threads posted by members, and for the community. :o

[dontbeafraid]

This is just total insanity he is peddling now, it was bad enough that he was going with the world is run by giant lizards nonsense but know he is peddling a theory which is ridiculous to anyone who has a basic understanding of physics.

If the moon was a giant spaceship which as hollow, it wouldn't have the mass to have the tidal effects it has on the oceans.

It has become clear to me that David is obviously working to discredit the truth movement with this insanity. Because from looking at all of his work and success its clear to see he isn't stupid.

I could overlook the reptilian stuff, but this is just too far. He has totally lost it.

I certainly won't be coming back to his website as often in the future, and to be honest after the lack of a depression which everyone was screaming about and the whole swine flu debacle where alex jones had some guy on his radio show suggesting it was the end of the world i am starting to wonder if i have bought into one more big lie.

I am sure people were upset when the light bulb was invented and scoffed at the idea, before actually using a light bulb. Its understandable. The technology of those using the moon is confusing to some. They are probably using tractor beams, or some sort of artifical gravity device to cause tidal action. I would not be surprised if they gain energy from that too.

[noewhan]

Pictures can = 1000 words.

http://johncanetta.com/images/Mind-Tool-Skill-Sets.gif

http://www.nzetc.org/etexts/Bio28Tuat02/Bio28Tuat02_074a(h280).jpg

http://www.hitchins.net/BeliefA.gif

http://www.revolutionrave.com/holos/images/diagramx.jpg

Random note:

Joseph Banks sailed around various parts of the world in 1801, and found thousands of insects. They are still being catalogued to this day.

[oddblock]

You can still visit the forum without subscribing to all his views :) Without offence intended, David Icke is the last person on my mind when I come here. I come to read informative threads posted by members, and for the community. :o

Perfectly put... Even if it's bullshit there is still a relevant community here, and if it's "truth" you're after, this isn't a bad place to mosey around from time to time! ;)

[ecca]

It's true that Icke could be a scoundrel mixing truth with ridiculous nonsense to discredit the truth seeking crowd and to demonize anyone with a viewpoint that differs from government press releases or the opinions distributed by the payed for pundits, it's also possible that he isn't implying that the entire moon is hollow but that there is a large scale underground base there somewhere, I haven't read the book yet so I don't know the details of his theory nor do I have the evidence and line of reasoning that he followed to come to his conclusions.

As for Alex Jones, the guy is an egomaniac but he's also sitting around expecting a false flag(FOR GOOD REASON, read a history book,) so when something like the swine flu pops up and is being hyped like janet jackson's breast at the superbowl by the media, he goes crazy covering it. I remember hearing proponents of both sides being interviewed on his show(the sides being those who believed the flu was going to evolve into something terrible and deadly and be used as a tool for depopulation VS. those believed that the flu was less deadly than the regular seasonal flu and that the whole thing was being hyped to impose the legislation countries have written that apply only during a Level 6 pandemic on the WHO scales[and what do you know, the WHO then moved to L6 on their pandemic alert scale,] and to push a vaccine that wasn't safe onto the idiot masses(and what do you know, now after millions took the vaccine, their is an ass-covering recall because of "potency issues")

The whole depression thing is not something that is going to happen over a short time span, it's a process that we have been and are still going through. There is no denying that the financiers are milking this for all it's worth, they are using this period to consolidate their wealth(and by extension their power) and they're looting and pillaging in every country that they can. I have very little doubt that the economy is going to get worse before it gets better without having to refer to anything the Alex Jones has to say.

[jonathanb]

Well, it makes perfect sense to me that all planets probably are hollow, considering that all the matter of a planet spins in a gigantic circle before settling. David Icke has used a tumble dryer as an example of this, centrifugal force or whatever. I have heard a couple of others speak about this too.

As for the moon being a spaceship, that these ET's use to control events or whatever, (I havent read up on it yet) I have one thing to say, ANYTHING is possible. We should always keep an open mind with everything, because truth is certainly stranger than fiction and to paraphrase Socrates: true wisdom is knowing how little we know.

[wakeupworld]

Actually, the manufactured swine flu died out because a critical mass realised it was a fraud. If everyone had not had the internet, and had bought into it, it would not have peaked before the vaccine was produced, and may well have laid waste millions
Such is the nature of things - knowledge is power
I remain open to theories on the moon. What's your problem? Do you know the detail?


Do you know the take up rates of the swine-flu vaccine?

I know for example that only 33% of nurses in London received the swine-flue vaccine so I`m not so sure that a critical mass did indeed reject it as it was offered to "vunerable groups".

Can`t find any figures on this but I would NOT be suprised if over 50% offered the vaccine actually received it.

[consciousness]

This is just total insanity he is peddling now, it was bad enough that he was going with the world is run by giant lizards nonsense but know he is peddling a theory which is ridiculous to anyone who has a basic understanding of physics.

If the moon was a giant spaceship which as hollow, it wouldn't have the mass to have the tidal effects it has on the oceans.

It has become clear to me that David is obviously working to discredit the truth movement with this insanity. Because from looking at all of his work and success its clear to see he isn't stupid.

I could overlook the reptilian stuff, but this is just too far. He has totally lost it.

I certainly won't be coming back to his website as often in the future, and to be honest after the lack of a depression which everyone was screaming about and the whole swine flu debacle where alex jones had some guy on his radio show suggesting it was the end of the world i am starting to wonder if i have bought into one more big lie.

Yeah yeah whatever. Leave why don't you.... :rolleyes:

[mtn44]

Yawn
http://whybenormal.today.com/files/2009/03/yawn-1.jpg
There is life outside our planet and solar system.
Get over it.
Some of it is probably reptilian in appearance. Woah, so far fetched. :rolleyes:

And if you haven't noticed, theories about the moon being artificial are NOT new. He didn't just invent this stuff.


well someone invented it. look guys this crap all of it i mean we dont have proof only theory. di gets his information from a sharman and by him going astral. woopy do most astral beings lie. sure hes right on the whole agenda thing nwo and that but the rest i mean bloody hell. D.I is boreing and reptive sometimes, every intiview he starts with how he began his journey which i dont think is completely true the man is knee deep into magic. Its like every one here takes this guys word as gosspil. Its just theory not fact.

I tell you what i have learnt about aliens they are not psyical like us. they wish they were thats why we rock and they envy us.

Yep god is reptillian and most angels are. so what hes not evil.
there has been a war bettween anu (god) heaven and hell nebu and mudduk. for 1000's of yrars hell hates humanity will distroy it at any cost. heaven created and grew us.

dna moon spaceship reptillan people pysical people am not convinced.

It says in the bible end of the world willl come when we worship fase idels. is this what were doing now isnt being a fan some sort of worship. think for your self guys be happy and god bless.

[ecca]

Yeah yeah whatever. Leave why don't you.... :rolleyes:

yeah let's discourage any discussion that doesn't embrace every single thing that one man has to say

:rolleyes:

[free_thinker]

He hasn't lost it.He has created a niche market for his books and lectures, a niche which needs to be filled with at least some new stuff every now and again or it gets a bit 'samey'.

The beauty of this particular niche is it needs no hard facts, because as we all know 'there is no such thing as proof'.

So any way out theory services this market because it can always be defended with statements like:-
"Our 5 senses are not able to perceive...."
"We can't prove anything.....""
"What's the nature of reality though....."
"It's beyond our understanding....."
"The lizards exist in another dimension/spacial reference...."

and a host of others.

Some of what he says in the less way out things show a good understanding of the world and the way in which control and power work, but it's perhaps less commercial, and the guy needs to make a living.

A mixture of Barnum and Bailey 3 Ring Circus and Nietzsche.

You pays your money and takes your choice.

[nicolaj]

well someone invented it. look guys this crap all of it i mean we dont have proof only theory. di gets his information from a sharman and by him going astral. woopy do most astral beings lie. sure hes right on the whole agenda thing nwo and that but the rest i mean bloody hell. D.I is boreing and reptive sometimes, every intiview he starts with how he began his journey which i dont think is completely true the man is knee deep into magic. Its like every one here takes this guys word as gosspil. Its just theory not fact.I tell you what i have learnt about aliens they are not psyical like us. they wish they were thats why we rock and they envy us.

Yep god is reptillian and most angels are. so what hes not evil.
there has been a war bettween anu (god) heaven and hell nebu and mudduk. for 1000's of yrars hell hates humanity will distroy it at any cost. heaven created and grew us.

dna moon spaceship reptillan people pysical people am not convinced.

It says in the bible end of the world willl come when we worship fase idels. is this what were doing now isnt being a fan some sort of worship. think for your self guys be happy and god bless.

I don't.

[jonathanb]

I really enjoy these posts! Well most of them anyway:) Always interesting, thanks:):):)

[ufochick]

well someone invented it. look guys this crap all of it i mean we dont have proof only theory. di gets his information from a sharman and by him going astral. woopy do most astral beings lie. sure hes right on the whole agenda thing nwo and that but the rest i mean bloody hell. D.I is boreing and reptive sometimes, every intiview he starts with how he began his journey which i dont think is completely true the man is knee deep into magic. Its like every one here takes this guys word as gosspil. Its just theory not fact.

I tell you what i have learnt about aliens they are not psyical like us. they wish they were thats why we rock and they envy us.

Yep god is reptillian and most angels are. so what hes not evil.
there has been a war bettween anu (god) heaven and hell nebu and mudduk. for 1000's of yrars hell hates humanity will distroy it at any cost. heaven created and grew us.

dna moon spaceship reptillan people pysical people am not convinced.

It says in the bible end of the world willl come when we worship fase idels. is this what were doing now isnt being a fan some sort of worship. think for your self guys be happy and god bless.

David agrees that the reptilians are not physical.. have you read his stuff? listened to it? You are still using the Bible (which has zero proof) and you think people are worshipping David? Sounds like some critical thinking is needed before you can begin to find anything close to consciousness.
Until people lose the heavy "base" programming they will be stuck stuck stuck in mind, and from "mind" you stay in conflict.

[consciousness]

yeah let's discourage any discussion that doesn't embrace every single thing that one man has to say

:rolleyes:

a worthy WTF post. :eek:

[_tzupidity]

Until people lose the heavy "base" programming they will be stuck stuck stuck in mind, and from "mind" you stay in conflict.

The problem I see is that they aren't losing any base programming, they're just changing from one source to another. From Jesus and his Disciples to the Reptilians in the Moon.

I'm still waiting for Icke to act on his assertions. All these people that he claims are evil reptilians or paedophiles are still out there, so why isn't Icke stood outside their house with a placard and a few journalists demanding that action be taken? Why isn't he outside the banks or in the city of london?

All he does is copy and paste other people's work, add some of his own information that is passed to him through 'channelling the spirits' and hopes to earn enough to support his family and Ickle Icke's music career.

[noobcybot]

This is just total insanity he is peddling now, it was bad enough that he was going with the world is run by giant lizards nonsense but know he is peddling a theory which is ridiculous to anyone who has a basic understanding of physics.

If the moon was a giant spaceship which as hollow, it wouldn't have the mass to have the tidal effects it has on the oceans.

It has become clear to me that David is obviously working to discredit the truth movement with this insanity. Because from looking at all of his work and success its clear to see he isn't stupid.

I could overlook the reptilian stuff, but this is just too far. He has totally lost it.

I certainly won't be coming back to his website as often in the future, and to be honest after the lack of a depression which everyone was screaming about and the whole swine flu debacle where alex jones had some guy on his radio show suggesting it was the end of the world i am starting to wonder if i have bought into one more big lie.

You havent bought into shit. If you still think its absurd you havent understood any of Ickes books at all.

[ufochick]

The problem I see is that they aren't losing any base programming, they're just changing from one source to another. From Jesus and his Disciples to the Reptilians in the Moon.

I'm still waiting for Icke to act on his assertions. All these people that he claims are evil reptilians or paedophiles are still out there, so why isn't Icke stood outside their house with a placard and a few journalists demanding that action be taken? Why isn't he outside the banks or in the city of london?

All he does is copy and paste other people's work, add some of his own information that is passed to him through 'channelling the spirits' and hopes to earn enough to support his family and Ickle Icke's music career.

It's ALL the illusionary world yes. If it requires thought it's in the matrix. People have refused to respond to his accusations. All they have to do is say fine here I am test me but of course they refuse. There are no or very few real journalists left.

If you think he is just out to make lots of money whyy are you bothering to be here? Have you read his stuff listened to his stuff?

I find this idea of people taking the time to post on something they think is rubbish quite fascinating. Why waste your life energy arguing a point that you believe is untrue? Very very odd. Displaced anger maybe? I would not go to a Bible site and argue that it's rubbish, I believe it is but what would I be accomplishing? nothing that I can think of.... Maybe subconsciously you believe his stuff is true? hmmm... very very odd... and not rational...

Everyone has their own reality. You and those like you will not change anyone else's reality on a board like this..

....sigh... I really wish someone who does this would explain why they do it and be truthfull...

[_tzupidity]

It's ALL the illusionary world yes. If it requires thought it's in the matrix. People have refused to respond to his accusations. All they have to do is say fine here I am test me but of course they refuse. There are no or very few real journalists left.


Oh, it's all an illusion. Why go on about it then? The rape is an illusion and the victims are an illusion soooo why bother?


If you think he is just out to make lots of money whyy are you bothering to be here? Have you read his stuff listened to his stuff?


I can confidently say that I have read more of Icke's books than most people on this forum. Here's the diference, I don't just 'look' at them. I 'read' them. I also read the books he uses as references. I read his videos and interviews. I read his body language and written/spoken language. I know Icke very well. And I'm here because I'm looking for the truth.


I find this idea of people taking the time to post on something they think is rubbish quite fascinating. Why waste your life energy arguing a point that you believe is untrue? Very very odd. Displaced anger maybe? I would not go to a Bible site and argue that it's rubbish, I believe it is but what would I be accomplishing? nothing that I can think of.... Maybe subconsciously you believe his stuff is true? hmmm... very very odd... and not rational...


I love it when people do this. You can't discredit or disprove what I'm saying so you try to discredit and disprove me. It won't work dear.


Everyone has their own reality. You and those like you will not change anyone else's reality on a board like this..


So you feel that this board exists to put forward one person's truth and noone else's will ever win out? That doesn't sound very truth movement to me, infact it sounds very propganda cultist.


....sigh... I really wish someone who does this would explain why they do it and be truthfull...

I just did, but I'll do it again because I like you. I seek the truth. Don't you?

[mtn44]

David agrees that the reptilians are not physical.. have you read his stuff? listened to it? You are still using the Bible (which has zero proof) and you think people are worshipping David? Sounds like some critical thinking is needed before you can begin to find anything close to consciousness.
Until people lose the heavy "base" programming they will be stuck stuck stuck in mind, and from "mind" you stay in conflict.

Well you have just proved by being hippercrtical you are a fan. so there for you do worship him i mean come on i bet you have booked to see his show always on here wanting to know more. thats a fan of worship and you can say what you want about the bible. the book makes sence to me al so i have an open mind for now i just see same patterns repeating them selves. I think you should look in thde mirror and think before you write this. The bible is a book but it does have some good morrals in it.

Really are you sure david really thinks they are astral well that bull

David Icke- Humans transform to Reptiles! - YouTube

Like every human is the world we have a need to be wanted famous and make money. like amny geniuse before him thats what they wanted. How did we give it to them by being a fan worship.

[mtn44]

The problem I see is that they aren't losing any base programming, they're just changing from one source to another. From Jesus and his Disciples to the Reptilians in the Moon.

I'm still waiting for Icke to act on his assertions. All these people that he claims are evil reptilians or paedophiles are still out there, so why isn't Icke stood outside their house with a placard and a few journalists demanding that action be taken? Why isn't he outside the banks or in the city of london?

All he does is copy and paste other people's work, add some of his own information that is passed to him through 'channelling the spirits' and hopes to earn enough to support his family and Ickle Icke's music career.

Well bloody said

[noobcybot]

Well you have just proved by being hippercrtical you are a fan. so there for you do worship him i mean come on i bet you have booked to see his show always on here wanting to know more. thats a fan of worship and you can say what you want about the bible. the book makes sence to me al so i have an open mind for now i just see same patterns repeating them selves. I think you should look in thde mirror and think before you write this. The bible is a book but it does have some good morrals in it.

Really are you sure david really thinks they are astral well that bull

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAGTJErVNBU

Like every human is the world we have a need to be wanted famous and make money. like amny geniuse before him thats what they wanted. How did we give it to them by being a fan worship.


So no you havent read and understood any of his books then. If you have an open mind and understand how patterns repeat how come you lack the ability to comprehend the vibrational universe?

[_tzupidity]

So no you havent read and understood any of his books then. If you have an open mind and understand how patterns repeat how come you lack the ability to comprehend the vibrational universe?

If you have an open mind and understand how patterns repeat how come you can't consider the fact that Icke is a con man? It's no diferent from zealous christians/muslims/jews that can't question their beliefs. They must be right because they say they are right.

And for the record, Icke on several occasions talks about physical reptiles. He quotes from a book called 'Caverns, Cauldrons and Concealed Creatures' by a guy called William Michael Mott, which talks about them. What about Credo Mutwa? Didn't he and Icke make a video about physical reptilians? What about the Dogon people and their link to Sirius and physical reptilians? What about the 'witnesses' he brings out who say they've seen them? Where do you think the reptilian dna in the hybrids comes from if there aren't physical reptilians?

Oh but it's all a hologram, vibrational energy and all that. I'm sorry, but the holographic universe depends on quantum physics and seeing as Icke thinks science is a con and he famously said, "Algebra? What do I need that for?" I question his ability to understand it.

This in itself is a good example of Icke's method. Take little bits from accepted thoughts and science, ignore the rest and when people ask questions switch stances to metaphysics and a requirement of 'faith'.

And ofcourse, if you still don't agree then you're sheeple, or COINTELPRO.

[mtn44]

So no you havent read and understood any of his books then. If you have an open mind and understand how patterns repeat how come you lack the ability to comprehend the vibrational universe?

I wouldnt be on this forum if i hadnt read his books. Still just because this man says so. does not mean it gospil how do you know he not full of it? how do you know he not in if for to be famors? you dont. icke needs to eat to, so dont tell me all this he isnt getting a kick out of and likes makeing money of course he does.

He may have resources he may have contacts how do you know there not full of it? Icke gets his info from the astral plains pur and simple so there for he will believe anything what is told to him.

Vibration of the univers is thought honey change thought and change everything. The thing about that when an idea that has been manifested so long its hard to change. Also others thoughts are demanded on us.

You want to do what icke does medatate go astral and ask for the truth your self its not pretty.

another thing were all told to question things so am questioning icke i agree icke has lost it and its not his fault.


Icke is good at exsposeing the nwo and horrabul seacrets the goverment has. Like many other reasearchers such as alex joans jorden maxwell and benjamin fulford. well done amen to that the other stuff yep agree with astral thought ball of confusion ect..

The rest nope i question?

[mtn44]

:)If you have an open mind and understand how patterns repeat how come you can't consider the fact that Icke is a con man? It's no diferent from zealous christians/muslims/jews that can't question their beliefs. They must be right because they say they are right.

And for the record, Icke on several occasions talks about physical reptiles. He quotes from a book called 'Caverns, Cauldrons and Concealed Creatures' by a guy called William Michael Mott, which talks about them. What about Credo Mutwa? Didn't he and Icke make a video about physical reptilians? What about the Dogon people and their link to Sirius and physical reptilians? What about the 'witnesses' he brings out who say they've seen them? Where do you think the reptilian dna in the hybrids comes from if there aren't physical reptilians?

Oh but it's all a hologram, vibrational energy and all that. I'm sorry, but the holographic universe depends on quantum physics and seeing as Icke thinks science is a con and he famously said, "Algebra? What do I need that for?" I question his ability to understand it.

This in itself is a good example of Icke's method. Take little bits from accepted thoughts and science, ignore the rest and when people ask questions switch stances to metaphysics and a requirement of 'faith'.

And ofcourse, if you still don't agree then you're sheeple, or COINTELPRO.

I totaly agree with you completely ignores science and has talked about psyical reptillians.

"Algebra? What do I need that for?" may be he cant do math

[mtn44]

Its just THEORY guys wake up and think for your self.

one more thing if we didnt buy davids books or go see his shows what would he be then. We make who david is with out us he could achive nothing. So like all sales men he tells us what we want to hear.

[_tzupidity]

:)

I totaly agree with you completely ignores science and has talked about psyical reptillians.

"Algebra? What do I need that for?" may be he cant do math

It's worse than that though. He accepts the bits of science that agree with his agenda and then attacks science in general over the bits that disagree with it.

Icke is an inverse snob when it comes to the academic world. He says Universities are brainwashing camps, so which ones has he been to in order to know this? None.

He makes a big deal of referencing his works but if you've ever tried to buy one of the books he references you'll find they're all hard to get hold of and expensive. The reason being, they're not accepted as genuine so only get printed in small numbers and then get shelved.

Search any topic you like from Icke's books on Amazon and you'll find plenty to buy and read. He doesn't use any of them. Try to find the ones he references and your'e looking at £50 and bought second hand from America.

Oh but that's because the mainstream media are evil maaaaan, they're in on it maaaaan. Ok, so why can't you find them on torrent either? There are some epic peices of crap on Torrent but not one person thinks it worthy to scan in and upload these pivotal works of truth that blow the lid off the illusion?

No. They're just badly written sci-fi that are so crap they have to pretend it's all the truth to con people into buying them.

[mtn44]

It's worse than that though. He accepts the bits of science that agree with his agenda and then attacks science in general over the bits that disagree with it.

Icke is an inverse snob when it comes to the academic world. He says Universities are brainwashing camps, so which ones has he been to in order to know this? None.

He makes a big deal of referencing his works but if you've ever tried to buy one of the books he references you'll find they're all hard to get hold of and expensive. The reason being, they're not accepted as genuine so only get printed in small numbers and then get shelved.

Search any topic you like from Icke's books on Amazon and you'll find plenty to buy and read. He doesn't use any of them. Try to find the ones he references and your'e looking at £50 and bought second hand from America.

Oh but that's because the mainstream media are evil maaaaan, they're in on it maaaaan. Ok, so why can't you find them on torrent either? There are some epic peices of crap on Torrent but not one person thinks it worthy to scan in and upload these pivotal works of truth that blow the lid off the illusion?

No. They're just badly written sci-fi that are so crap they have to pretend it's all the truth to con people into buying them.

I know i have tried to find lots of references its so hard i went on reaserch for orion queens that came up with nothing . then i did the bush and elizabeth birth line come to dead end there. There is no information out there am not

Universtys are not brain washing they produce some excellent minds. media are not in it they are blind and are told what to read. He is not a clever man i dont care if he use to be journlist he wasnt that grat eather. should have stuck at foot ball. He knows how to play the public and to sell .

Also this hloygramm illusion thing is bull to me. I dont like that theory its like saying the love of my life and my children dont exsist. Am like shut up you sales con man. i wonder what his wife thinks of all this she must be a god damn sait to put up with him.

[seanx]

_tzupidity wrote:

So you feel that this board exists to put forward one person's truth and noone else's will ever win out? That doesn't sound very truth movement to me, infact it sounds very propganda cultist.

You say you've read icke's books.

may I suggest you try again - and this time try to understand them.


ufochick was clearly referring to icke's ideas about how one person 's
reality is not necessarily another person's reality.

What is true in my reality may not be true in your reality.

You say mr _tzupidity you have 'read' all of Icke's books.

Your posts don't show that.

In fact , my dog seems to have a better understanding of icke's
metaphysical ideas than you.

[mtn44]

_tzupidity wrote:



You say you've read icke's books.

may I suggest you try again - and this time try to understand them.


ufochick was clearly referring to icke's ideas about how one person 's
reality is not necessarily another person's reality.

What is true in my reality may not be true in your reality.

You say mr _tzupidity you have 'read' all of Icke's books.

Your posts don't show that.

In fact , my dog seems to have a better understanding of icke's
metaphysical ideas than you.

I suggest you should do your reasearch in the resources of his books where he gets his so call proof from. Before you compaire people to dogs i gareentee you cant find hardly any information.

Dont be bitter that you have just seen true colours that he is a sales man.

think about it he does need to eat and will do anything to controdict and make us believe he is gosspel.

Its all THEORY

[ufochick]

Oh, it's all an illusion. Why go on about it then? The rape is an illusion and the victims are an illusion soooo why bother?



I can confidently say that I have read more of Icke's books than most people on this forum. Here's the diference, I don't just 'look' at them. I 'read' them. I also read the books he uses as references. I read his videos and interviews. I read his body language and written/spoken language. I know Icke very well. And I'm here because I'm looking for the truth.



I love it when people do this. You can't discredit or disprove what I'm saying so you try to discredit and disprove me. It won't work dear.



So you feel that this board exists to put forward one person's truth and noone else's will ever win out? That doesn't sound very truth movement to me, infact it sounds very propganda cultist.



I just did, but I'll do it again because I like you. I seek the truth. Don't you?

I wasn't trying to discredit you.. I don't feel hostility towards you. I was trying to understand. I still don't....

[cylob]

this is just total insanity he is peddling now, it was bad enough that he was going with the world is run by giant lizards nonsense but know he is peddling a theory which is ridiculous to anyone who has a basic understanding of physics.

If the moon was a giant spaceship which as hollow, it wouldn't have the mass to have the tidal effects it has on the oceans.

It has become clear to me that david is obviously working to discredit the truth movement with this insanity. Because from looking at all of his work and success its clear to see he isn't stupid.

I could overlook the reptilian stuff, but this is just too far. He has totally lost it.

I certainly won't be coming back to his website as often in the future, and to be honest after the lack of a depression which everyone was screaming about and the whole swine flu debacle where alex jones had some guy on his radio show suggesting it was the end of the world i am starting to wonder if i have bought into one more big lie.

you - are the one who TOTALLY lost it - and not david!

[_tzupidity]

You say mr _tzupidity you have 'read' all of Icke's books.

Your posts don't show that.

In fact , my dog seems to have a better understanding of icke's
metaphysical ideas than you.

You are a typical Icke reader. You have no capacity to think for yourself, you make assumptions and mistake them for fact and can't help but attempt and a witty dig to punctuate your nonesensical ramblings.

Your ignorance amuses me.

[_tzupidity]

I wasn't trying to discredit you.. I don't feel hostility towards you. I was trying to understand. I still don't....

Third time then; I seek the truth. In order to find the truth, one must question everything, especially those who claim to have the truth. :)

[_tzupidity]

I know i have tried to find lots of references its so hard i went on reaserch for orion queens that came up with nothing . then i did the bush and elizabeth birth line come to dead end there. There is no information out there am not

Universtys are not brain washing they produce some excellent minds. media are not in it they are blind and are told what to read. He is not a clever man i dont care if he use to be journlist he wasnt that grat eather. should have stuck at foot ball. He knows how to play the public and to sell .

Also this hloygramm illusion thing is bull to me. I dont like that theory its like saying the love of my life and my children dont exsist. Am like shut up you sales con man. i wonder what his wife thinks of all this she must be a god damn sait to put up with him.

Please don't say Icke was a Journalist. He doesn't have the ability to be one. He was a presenter. A mouth peice for the BBC who tend to get slated on this forum. He was quite popular for a while, too.
Then the whole, "I'm the son of God" on Wogan put him off track for a while until he went to America, met Jordan Maxwell (all funded by Jordan Maxwell) and suddenly it's reptilians and illuminati and his sales start to increase.

That's all wearing off because all the so called reptilian paedophiles are still walking around in the world with very well paying positions and that many people have been accused of it now that it's lost any shock value.

Hence a change in tac to the Moon. Yet more 'research' taken from other authors on the fringe of the 'conspiracy' genre and some more 'information' aqquired whilst channeling and surfing the astral realms.

The holographic universe does make sense at the quantum level, but you, your wife and children don't exist at the quantum level. Tis why it gets so confusing when people try to apply quantum things in the atomic reality. Which makes it perfect fodder for the 'truth seeker' author. :)

[seanx]

_tzupidity wrote:

You are a typical Icke reader. You have no capacity to think for yourself, you make assumptions and mistake them for fact and can't help but attempt and a witty dig to punctuate your nonesensical ramblings.

Your ignorance amuses me

No, your problem is simple.

You have no idea WHAT Icke is talking about.

You just don't grasp it.

Your mind is too programmed, too linear - it can't allow for
intuitive insights.

Your response to ufochick simple comment about reality shows your
knowledge and understanding is nil.

Now ....there is nothing wrong with that.....we all have different parts
of the 'story' we are interested in......but quit trying to bullshit
people as if yuo know what you're talking about.

As I said my dog has a better understanding than you.

So why do you feel the need to continually belittle things
you know nothing about

[_tzupidity]

_tzupidity wrote:



No, your problem is simple.

You have no idea WHAT Icke is talking about.


You just repeated your baseless assumptions one more time and mentioned your dog one more time.

My response remains: Your ignorance amuses me.

[seanx]

mtn44 wrote:

I suggest you should do your reasearch in the resources of his books where he gets his so call proof from. Before you compaire people to dogs i gareentee you cant find hardly any information.

Dont be bitter that you have just seen true colours that he is a sales man.

think about it he does need to eat and will do anything to controdict and make us believe he is gosspel.

Its all THEORY

Tell me, Einstein - how do you 'prove' spiritual ideas? Is there no
place for the faculty of hgher knowledge -intuition in your
little world.

As for icke , if you think he is a con-man, a cheat, simply switch off
-and move on to writers you find more to your thinking.

It's not rocket science.

[_tzupidity]

Tell me, Einstein - how do you 'prove' spiritual ideas? Is there no
place for the faculty of hgher knowledge -intuition in your
little world.

As for icke , if you think he is a con-man, a cheat, simply switch off
-and move on to writers you find more to your thinking.
It's not rocket science.

Wow, you really have an education chip on your shoulder don't you. Everyone is an idiot to you.

What you need to understand, Sean, oh sorry, Seanx, musn't confuse the two eh... is that true truthers see right through people like you. Your answer to everything is that we're dumbasses and should go away and stop making noise. You're one of Icke's sheepdogs aren't you.

You have nothing to say but ,"I'm right, you're stupid, neer neer, go away if you don't like it."

Like I said, Your ignorance amuses me.

[seanx]

_tzupidity wrote:

You just repeated your baseless assumptions one more time and mentioned your dog one more time.

My response remains: Your ignorance amuses me.

It's always so easy to catch bullshitters like you out, ain't it, mate?

MY dog sends his best -he's willing to debate icke's metaphysical
ideas with you any time.

Again, my question: Why do you feel the need to belittle things
you know nothing about ?

[_tzupidity]

same shit, different words



See above, brainiac.

[seanx]

_tzupidity WROTE:

Wow, you really have an education chip on your shoulder don't you. Everyone is an idiot to you.

Only guys like you who bullshit people and ideas you know nothing
about.

You're getting angry now because you have been caught out.


What you need to understand, Sean, oh sorry, Seanx, musn't confuse the two eh... is that true truthers see right through people like you. Your answer to everything is that we're dumbasses and should go away and stop making noise. You're one of Icke's sheepdogs aren't you.

LOL


I don't want you to stop making noise -but at least make an effort
to know what you;re talking about before you bullshit it.


You have nothing to say but ,"I'm right, you're stupid, neer neer, go away if you don't like it."

Like I said, Your ignorance amuses me.[/QUOTE]

Sorry it was YOUR response to ufochick post that REVEALED you -and
your lack of knowledge.

You cause your own problem: Don't bullshit things you know nothing
about.

IT only makes you look foolish,

Lighten up mate. Look for something to be positve about.

[_tzupidity]

same old

Seriously, have you nothing new to add other than, "You're full of shit."?

A few small points;

1. I'm not your mate.
2. I'm not angry.
3. You haven't 'caught me out'.

You simply don't agree with what I said and you have no valid argument for why. All you have is the assumption I don't know what I'm talking about and the assumption that I'm stupid.

I tell you what, you pick what you think I said incorrectly and I'll go get you a quote from an Icke book that proves I'm right and you're an insecure numpty who's just spent all day in a boring job and has come on here to feel all powerful infront of some random internet strangers =]

[ecca]

What you need to understand, Sean, oh sorry, Seanx, musn't confuse the two eh...

A few small points;

1. I'm not your mate.

Why don't you take the childish bickering to PM, you've both gotten your ideas across here already, no need to clutter this forum with personal insults directed at one another.

[seanx]

_tzupidity wrote:

Seriously, have you nothing new to add other than, "You're full of shit."?

A few small points;

1. I'm not your mate.
2. I'm not angry.
3. You haven't 'caught me out'.

You simply don't agree with what I said and you have no valid argument for why. All you have is the assumption I don't know what I'm talking about and the assumption that I'm stupid.

I tell you what, you pick what you think I said incorrectly and I'll go get you a quote from an Icke book that proves I'm right and you're an insecure numpty who's just spent all day in a boring job and has come on here to feel all powerful infront of some random internet strangers =]

LOL!

You'll have to do better than that.

MY dog would do better. He really would.

Tell us about icke's ideas about reality.

What ufochick was trying to ask you about?

make me eat my words.

Fair enough.

[pound]

The problem I see is that they aren't losing any base programming, they're just changing from one source to another. From Jesus and his Disciples to the Reptilians in the Moon.

I'm still waiting for Icke to act on his assertions. All these people that he claims are evil reptilians or paedophiles are still out there, so why isn't Icke stood outside their house with a placard and a few journalists demanding that action be taken? Why isn't he outside the banks or in the city of london?

All he does is copy and paste other people's work, add some of his own information that is passed to him through 'channelling the spirits' and hopes to earn enough to support his family and Ickle Icke's music career.

Wow...Have a bad day at work today?

[pound]

You havent bought into shit. If you still think its absurd you havent understood any of Ickes books at all.

Co-sign

[_tzupidity]

Wow...Have a bad day at work today?

No, my work is done here.

So you disagree? You don't see this forum full of people who believe anything they're told aslong as the right person says it? You don't see them refusing to question the validity of what they're told because of who said it?

You don't think that writing books about satanist paedophiles whilst not taking action against those paedophiles is profiting from the fact of the satanic abuse?

I do :)

[zyphus]

I wouldn't worry _tzupidity, seanx attacked me just because I pointed out that Deepak 'club of budapest' Chopra, and James Arthur 'Manslaughter' Ray were fakes.

It's nothing personal.

[_tzupidity]

I wouldn't worry _tzupidity, seanx attacked me just because I pointed out that Deepak 'club of budapest' Chopra, and James Arthur 'Manslaughter' Ray were fakes.

It's nothing personal.

Oh I don't take it personally, but I will make him famous for his ignorance.

[pound]

No, my work is done here.

So you disagree? You don't see this forum full of people who believe anything they're told aslong as the right person says it? You don't see them refusing to question the validity of what they're told because of who said it?

You don't think that writing books about satanist paedophiles whilst not taking action against those paedophiles is profiting from the fact of the satanic abuse?

I do :)

1)If one has read the material and thoroughly agrees with it and sees no faults in the rationale, what is the use of being cynical?

2) Icke exposes these people. How is that 'beneficial' to them? We can't entrust our judgement in the Mainstream Media who all but ignores these issues. So I am glad that we have people like Icke and others who blow the whistle on these b*stards. This is a good thing, not a bad thing.

[zyphus]

Oh I don't take it personally, but I will make him famous for his ignorance.

He's beaten you to it..

[_tzupidity]

1)If one has read the material and thoroughly agrees with it and sees no faults in the rationale, what is the use of being cynical?


Because you could be wrong. Unless you're perfect. I don't like to think that about myself because it could end up making me look really stupid.


2) Icke exposes these people. How is that 'beneficial' to them? We can't entrust our judgement in the Mainstream Media who all but ignores these issues. So I am glad that we have people like Icke and others who blow the whistle on these b*stards. This is a good thing, not a bad thing.

He doesn't expose them though does he. Where is the evidence? He just accuses them then leaves it at that. Where are the law suits, the protests etc? Ofcourse, if that happened he'd have to stop mentioning it and then his books would lose an edge. Especially if the moon stuff doesn't fly. I think mentioning Michael Jackson could have been a step too far. That guy has an insane amount of fans.

[_tzupidity]

He's beaten you to it..

Don't tell anyone I told you this, but he's not a real person. There are multiple accounts being used on this forum to try and manipulate threads. Internal COINTELPRO you might say.

I'd like to point out that I think this is a very very clever and amazing thing to do and I am not in any way insulting or calling into question this forum.

I'm so proud of it, I put my name on it!

[pound]

I suggest you should do your reasearch in the resources of his books where he gets his so call proof from. Before you compaire people to dogs i gareentee you cant find hardly any information.

Dont be bitter that you have just seen true colours that he is a sales man.

think about it he does need to eat and will do anything to controdict and make us believe he is gosspel.

Its all THEORY

That is a bit of an exaggeration. But I see this over and over again with Icke detractors, so these tactics dont really surprise me anymore. You people will go to some pretty crazy lengths to drag Icke's name through the mud no matter how unsubstantiated your claims are.

You say that you can't find any of his source material, yet that claim only takes a few minutes to debunk with a google search and a little bit of enthusiasm. I didn't seem to have any problems finding any of the material in the bibliography.

[_tzupidity]

That is a bit of an exaggeration. But I see this over and over again with Icke detractors, so these tactics dont really surprise me anymore. You people will go to some pretty crazy lengths to drag Icke's name through the mud no matter how unsubstantiated your claims are.

You say that you can't find any of his source material, yet that claim only takes a few minutes to debunk with a google search and a little bit of enthusiasm. I didn't seem to have any problems finding any of the material in the bibliography.

Negative. I didn't say you couldn't find any of the golem's sources. I said that the ones he chose to include proved hard to find and aqquire. Very important difference.

And seriously, why the name calling? Why detractor and unsubstantiated? And crazy? That one is very ironic. Because we don't agree with your worship of the golem then we must be in some way impaired? The Jews use Goyim, the Muslims use Kaffir and the Ickettes use Sheeple.

It's coming again, *coughs* Your Ignorance Amuses Me.

[pound]

Because you could be wrong. Unless you're perfect. I don't like to think that about myself because it could end up making me look really stupid.

Checking and cross-referencing all of your sources is a sure thing when it comes to research in that it guarantees that everything you are writing about and or saying is factually 'correct'. So no I don't agree with you there either.



He doesn't expose them though does he. Where is the evidence? He just accuses them then leaves it at that. Where are the law suits, the protests etc? Ofcourse, if that happened he'd have to stop mentioning it and then his books would lose an edge. Especially if the moon stuff doesn't fly. I think mentioning Michael Jackson could have been a step too far. That guy has an insane amount of fans.

Hilarious. You obviously have never read an Icke book in your entire life. Holly Greig? The Franklin coverup? The Deutreaux affair? The McMartin scandal? The Presidio Michael Aquino case? The homosexual call boy white house ring (1989 Bush/Reagan)? The Dunblane Massacre? The Vatican scandals? Just to name a few.

.......You are totally uninformed Im afraid. :)

[pound]

Negative. I didn't say you couldn't find any of the golem's sources. I said that the ones he chose to include proved hard to find and aqquire. Very important difference.

And seriously, why the name calling? Why detractor and unsubstantiated? And crazy? That one is very ironic. Because we don't agree with your worship of the golem then we must be in some way impaired? The Jews use Goyim, the Muslims use Kaffir and the Ickettes use Sheeple.

It's coming again, *coughs* Your Ignorance Amuses Me.

That wasnt directed towards you Good sir. "Hard to find and acquire".... lol are you serious?

[_tzupidity]

That wasnt directed towards you Good sir.

I know but it was me who said it originaly. I take responsibility :)

[_tzupidity]

Hilarious. You obviously have never read an Icke book in your entire life. Holly Greig? The Franklin coverup? The Deutreaux affair? The McMartin scandal? The Presidio Michael Aquino case? The homosexual call boy white house ring (1989 Bush/Reagan)? The Dunblane Massacre? The Vatican scandals? Just to name a few.

.......You are totally uninformed Im afraid. :)

Nyuh-uh. You show me Icke's original research on those topics. Not things he's lifted from other researchers or received from Derek Acorah or other 'psychics'. Then you show me what he did about them apart from using them to promote himself. One protest. Show me one time when he went to see one of them and said, "Oi you evil mofo".

[pound]

Nyuh-uh. You show me Icke's original research on those topics. Not things he's lifted from other researchers or received from Derek Acorah or other 'psychics'. Then you show me what he did about them apart from using them to promote himself. One protest. Show me one time when he went to see one of them and said, "Oi you evil mofo".

A 1 minute google search can fulfill your needs, that is if your interest in these cases are 'genuine' (which I kind of doubt being that I guess you never have read an Icke book let alone owned one).

Until then you don't work you dont eat...do your own investigating:) At this point my only concern is leading the horses to the water, so to speak.

[zyphus]

Don't tell anyone I told you this, but he's not a real person. There are multiple accounts being used on this forum to try and manipulate threads. Internal COINTELPRO you might say.

I'd like to point out that I think this is a very very clever and amazing thing to do and I am not in any way insulting or calling into question this forum.

I'm so proud of it, I put my name on it!

So nothing has changed barre the prerequisite for being a sheeple.

[seanx]

_tzupidity wrote:

Don't tell anyone I told you this, but he's not a real person. There are multiple accounts being used on this forum to try and manipulate threads. Internal COINTELPRO you might say.

I'd like to point out that I think this is a very very clever and amazing thing to do and I am not in any way insulting or calling into question this forum.

I'm so proud of it, I put my name on it!

Come on, mr. _tzupidity -my poor uneducated dog has said he will take
you on in a debate about Icke's 'mad' metaphysical ideas.

YOU have told us you have read it all - so you can surely debate it
with us all head -on.

yet you seem reclutant to debate.

Total silence.

Could it be you are full of bullshit?

BTW, for the hundred time, I have no connection to Mr. Sean who runs this site.

In Ireland, sean, the Gaelic for John is a very common name.

I know that probably confuses you guys...but try to get over it.

[mtn44]

:)Please don't say Icke was a Journalist. He doesn't have the ability to be one. He was a presenter. A mouth peice for the BBC who tend to get slated on this forum. He was quite popular for a while, too.
Then the whole, "I'm the son of God" on Wogan put him off track for a while until he went to America, met Jordan Maxwell (all funded by Jordan Maxwell) and suddenly it's reptilians and illuminati and his sales start to increase.

That's all wearing off because all the so called reptilian paedophiles are still walking around in the world with very well paying positions and that many people have been accused of it now that it's lost any shock value.

Hence a change in tac to the Moon. Yet more 'research' taken from other authors on the fringe of the 'conspiracy' genre and some more 'information' aqquired whilst channeling and surfing the astral realms.

The holographic universe does make sense at the quantum level, but you, your wife and children don't exist at the quantum level. Tis why it gets so confusing when people try to apply quantum things in the atomic reality. Which makes it perfect fodder for the 'truth seeker' author. :)

Aha am gald you mentioned jorden maxwell. he seems to be the ring learder the fule to his fire dont you think and icke uses his work a lot. He seems to use a lot of peoples work. i did some reaserch on this moon THEORY i found some people on project camerlot who talk about this. Still no proof just people talking. bla bla

The thing when david said he was the son of god he was a nut bar. Even if you are exsperience some sort of spirtural awakening you dont say that. He did it to make an impression then went on a mental crucade. he was never forgoton was he. He new what he was doing and then idears came out of the wood work. You cant simply have all these THEORYS with out some fact.

What really annoys me the most is you read his work and then you go find out the resources and you get some information and then dead end.

basically his theorys are based simler to zichin who is apperently reptilian.
Jorden maxwell who is an alien contactee and great scholla. maxwell and zichin are exspert is in cult well that says it all really. if you exspert in that stuff they are oversley "exsperimented". in all a cult practices you wouldnt be an exspert if you didnt. In my books no such thing as an exspert especially when it comes to a cult. in my books idiot more like it. power trip fear mongering.

The worlds going to end humanity is doomed the devil will win the moon is space ship oh please. frankely am not going to believe a bunch of witchs. what do witchs need followers and what are we called fellow ickesters.

Icke zichin and maxwell all study cult practice icke hands out with a shaman who has a human skull around his neck. use your brain people it right infront of your face.

the whole reptilan thing is based on a couple of tablets in baberlon. there one in the natural history museem in london. Where it shows how were were created by a reptilian. it amazes me just on those tablets this story is born just from thease tablets. i have seen them they just show life in those days life but no acourding to these tablets its gospil.

THEORY

So lets recap icke makes an impression on wogan gets name is out there Fame!
Then teams up with maxwell zichin and shaman. (gets the power to walk in to other relm and devine information)
Comes back wages war on goverment and all religions. With radical ideas and hardly no facts. (builds a following because people are annoyed with life and want more. (Following fan base worship)

All makes good salesman ship.

So what he has done in my eyes is to build his own religion on nothing. The daft thing is we took the bate.

Like all good sales men he gives us what we want and tells us what we want to hear.

[mtn44]

mtn44 wrote:



Tell me, Einstein - how do you 'prove' spiritual ideas? Is there no
place for the faculty of hgher knowledge -intuition in your
little world.

As for icke , if you think he is a con-man, a cheat, simply switch off
-and move on to writers you find more to your thinking.

It's not rocket science.


Do you believe everything he writes i mean really do you. When i read it he got his info from high realms yet he dosent really say that. y he had the nerve to slag all religions and goverment for being demon worshipers. when he is doing the same thing. he hangs out with a shaman with a skull around his neck i mean come on.

[mtn44]

That is a bit of an exaggeration. But I see this over and over again with Icke detractors, so these tactics dont really surprise me anymore. You people will go to some pretty crazy lengths to drag Icke's name through the mud no matter how unsubstantiated your claims are.

You say that you can't find any of his source material, yet that claim only takes a few minutes to debunk with a google search and a little bit of enthusiasm. I didn't seem to have any problems finding any of the material in the bibliography.

I said you can find some resources but when you go deeper you get dead ends. or repeat of the same work which leads you to no where. sweet i bet most of your resource once you went a bit deeper you ended up back at maxwell and zichin i did.

[mtn44]

Am bord now with this thread. tzupidity dont let people get to you am cross to. its really not worth it really, and i no your cross all that time patients and money spent for nothing, well at least we no the truth now.

[ge_mike]

You say mr _tzupidity you have 'read' all of Icke's books.

Your posts don't show that.

In fact , my dog seems to have a better understanding of icke's
metaphysical ideas than you.
Sorry to correct you, but there are no original metaphysical ideas in Icke's work. It's all a rehash of Vedanta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia philosophy.

[hadabusa]

David agrees that the reptilians are not physical.. have you read his stuff? listened to it? You are still using the Bible (which has zero proof) and you think people are worshipping David? Sounds like some critical thinking is needed before you can begin to find anything close to consciousness.
Until people lose the heavy "base" programming they will be stuck stuck stuck in mind, and from "mind" you stay in conflict.

so queen elizabeth shapeshifts into a non physical 9foot reptile?



:rolleyes:

[seanx]

_tzupidity wrote:

Don't tell anyone I told you this, but he's not a real person. There are multiple accounts being used on this forum to try and manipulate threads. Internal COINTELPRO you might say.


lol!

I'm not a real person now!!

You guys are really quite sad.

Well, if it makes you happy and keeps you off the street....

I have to say you've disapointed my dog.

he wanted to debate icke's ideas with you ....but you ran off....
petrified.

Ah well..........

[seanx]

ge_mike wrote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by seanx
You say mr _tzupidity you have 'read' all of Icke's books.

Your posts don't show that.

In fact , my dog seems to have a better understanding of icke's
metaphysical ideas than you.

Sorry to correct you, but there are no original metaphysical ideas in Icke's work. It's all a rehash of Vedanta philosophy.


Soory, but where did I use the word - original?

You added that yourself.

All the metaphysical ideas mentioned are ancient ideas. Belonging
to no-one and everybody.

But IMP, Icke ability to explain them for the modern Weatern mind
is excellent.

[ge_mike]

ge_mike wrote:



Soory, but where did I use the word - original?

You added that yourself.

All the metaphysical ideas mentioned are ancient ideas. Belonging
to no-one and everybody.

But IMP, Icke ability to explain them for the modern Weatern mind
is excellent.

I didn't imply you used the word "original". Where do you read that from? I used the word "original" in its original sense, meaning the origin of David Ickes metaphysical musings is not David Icke, but Vedanta philosophy, which has been around for thousands of years. And because of that, those are not David Ickes ideas, but he's just rehashing what he's read about somewhere else.

[pound]

I didn't imply you used the word "original". Where do you read that from? I used the word "original" in its original sense, meaning the origin of David Ickes metaphysical musings is not David Icke, but Vedanta philosophy, which has been around for thousands of years. And because of that, those are not David Ickes ideas, but he's just rehashing what he's read about somewhere else.

Are you familiar with the term 'reinterpretation'?

[ge_mike]

Are you familiar with the term 'reinterpretation'?

reinterpret: interpret (something) in a new or different light.
[New Oxford Dictionary of Contemporary English, 2001]

This is not what David Icke does. He didn't give those concepts a different meaning. What he did was that he dimmed the Indian folklore parts of Vedanta, so that it got difficult to recognize it for what it is. This is not reinterpretation, it's called obfuscation.

[seanx]

This is not what David Icke does. He didn't give those concepts a different meaning. What he did was that he dimmed the Indian folklore parts of Vedanta, so that it got difficult to recognize it for what it is. This is not reinterpretation, it's called obfuscation.


What nonsense.

By reading tales of the time loop - he explains all these ideas and more
in a way that is extremely intelligible to the modern mind.

Also his understanding of the nature of reality is not just these
indian concepts- he encourages a more proactive approach to reality
and not the extremely passive approach and in a lot of cases
extremely negative approach of the Vedanta

[ozpixie]

I have just pre-ordered the new book.

[energi]

ge_mike wrote:



Soory, but where did I use the word - original?

You added that yourself.

All the metaphysical ideas mentioned are ancient ideas. Belonging
to no-one and everybody.

But IMP, Icke ability to explain them for the modern Western [Fix'd] mind
is excellent.

Plus-frickin'-ONE :D

[speed of light]

This is just total insanity he is peddling now, it was bad enough that he was going with the world is run by giant lizards nonsense but know he is peddling a theory which is ridiculous to anyone who has a basic understanding of physics.

If the moon was a giant spaceship which as hollow, it wouldn't have the mass to have the tidal effects it has on the oceans.

It has become clear to me that David is obviously working to discredit the truth movement with this insanity. Because from looking at all of his work and success its clear to see he isn't stupid.

I could overlook the reptilian stuff, but this is just too far. He has totally lost it.

I certainly won't be coming back to his website as often in the future, and to be honest after the lack of a depression which everyone was screaming about and the whole swine flu debacle where alex jones had some guy on his radio show suggesting it was the end of the world i am starting to wonder if i have bought into one more big lie.


fuck off then, tbh what the fuck u doin on ere in the first place if this is what you think knobhead

[hadabusa]

fuck off then, tbh what the fuck u doin on ere in the first place if this is what you think knobhead

ez there, this isnt jonestown, dude.

[gallifrey]

You can still visit the forum without subscribing to all his views :) Without offence intended, David Icke is the last person on my mind when I come here. I come to read informative threads posted by members, and for the community. :o

I think most of us have that in common. :)

I come here for the people, and the sharing of information, and POV. There are some real characters on here, a lot of great people, and some not so great.

But this is a forum. And Armoured_Amazon is right, you don't HAVE to believe everything (or anything, for that matter), that DI or anyone else, says or writes.

:)

[kingmob]

I think most of us have that in common. :)

I come here for the people, and the sharing of information, and POV. There are some real characters on here, a lot of great people, and some not so great.

But this is a forum. And Armoured_Amazon is right, you don't HAVE to believe everything (or anything, for that matter), that DI or anyone else, says or writes.

:)

This is also one of the last forums of this sort where mods aren't compromised and stuff isn't heavily moderated.

[ufochick]

Third time then; I seek the truth. In order to find the truth, one must question everything, especially those who claim to have the truth. :)


David doesn't claim to have everyone's truth. He says that so many times. What is truth? Everyone finds their own truths by taking in information and examinining it and deciding if it feels right for them. NO one has the exact same truth as others.

BUt how does telling other people they worship someone because they choose to believe the same ideas helping you to find truth? Almost nothing is provable.

The thing is I really believe that until we change what we believe is possible or have an accidental "see through" epidode (Like seeing something that has not been in our reality before) we CANNOT experience things that are outside our base prgramming.

My husband is the perfect example. It took months until he could feel the Beings who work on me. Finally he opened himself and then it happened. He doesn't like it, it bothers him but he understands what's happening is happening in the physical world. He is the left brained accountant type.

So what I am trying to say is that argueing with other people on a forum won't help you find truth. Now reading people's experiences and putting those experiences into a catagory of "maybe" might help you find them, because until you open your mind to possibility you will stay in the same place you are in.

It makes no sense to come to forums like this and expect people to change your sense of reality with proof or for you to be able change other people's reality by denial. It doesn't work that way.

We as humans see so little, anything is possible. I am not a Bible person at all but I believe there is a passage in there somewhere that says something to the effect that "you must come as little children to find the kingdom of God" I believe that, Children are open to changing their programming and if we can stay like that we can see so much more of what is around us.

[ufochick]

so queen elizabeth shapeshifts into a non physical 9foot reptile?



:rolleyes:

I haven't experienced it but doesn't mean it doesn't happen. by the way if you have seen or read David's stuff you will know they don't physically shape shift.. but guess you haven't done that...

I have experienced reptilians yes, but I haven't met the queen yet ;)

If you want to know my experiences they are on this forum... somehow I doubt you will care enough to find them. I think it's time to invoke Goddess Ignora.

[dusthead]

This is just total insanity he is peddling now, it was bad enough that he was going with the world is run by giant lizards nonsense but know he is peddling a theory which is ridiculous to anyone who has a basic understanding of physics.

If the moon was a giant spaceship which as hollow, it wouldn't have the mass to have the tidal effects it has on the oceans.

It has become clear to me that David is obviously working to discredit the truth movement with this insanity. Because from looking at all of his work and success its clear to see he isn't stupid.

I could overlook the reptilian stuff, but this is just too far. He has totally lost it.

I certainly won't be coming back to his website as often in the future, and to be honest after the lack of a depression which everyone was screaming about and the whole swine flu debacle where alex jones had some guy on his radio show suggesting it was the end of the world i am starting to wonder if i have bought into one more big lie.

Go back and watch Icke on The Wogan show.

This moon stuff may be absurd but it is less damaging to his reputation than that particular phase of David's career. As long as there are no interviews on mainstream TV Icke will survive to live another day.

[hadabusa]

I haven't experienced it but doesn't mean it doesn't happen. by the way if you have seen or read David's stuff you will know they don't physically shape shift.. but guess you haven't done that...

I have experienced reptilians yes, but I haven't met the queen yet ;)

If you want to know my experiences they are on this forum... somehow I doubt you will care enough to find them. I think it's time to invoke Goddess Ignora.

i have read davids work ffs, and ive seen all youtube vids.

i stand firm, he claims they physically shapeshift, ffs, theresa vid in this thread him saying so.

[energi]

This is just total insanity he is peddling now, it was bad enough that he was going with the world is run by giant lizards nonsense but know he is peddling a theory which is ridiculous to anyone who has a basic understanding of physics.

If the moon was a giant spaceship which as hollow, it wouldn't have the mass to have the tidal effects it has on the oceans.

It has become clear to me that David is obviously working to discredit the truth movement with this insanity. Because from looking at all of his work and success its clear to see he isn't stupid.

I could overlook the reptilian stuff, but this is just too far. He has totally lost it.

I certainly won't be coming back to his website as often in the future, and to be honest after the lack of a depression which everyone was screaming about and the whole swine flu debacle where alex jones had some guy on his radio show suggesting it was the end of the world i am starting to wonder if i have bought into one more big lie.


NO U - YouTube

:D

[astrochicken]

Do a bit of research on the german (of course) mathematician
Bernhard Riemann (1826-1866) and his works on differential geometry and n-dimensions. Then david's new book makes perfect sense.

Moebius Transformations Revealed - YouTube
Moebius Transformations Revealed - YouTube

Sun = light source
moon = sphere




Or is the pineal gland the light source and your eyeball the sphere?

ps. Posting this on 3 threads so it's not missed.

[passing]

Actually, the manufactured swine flu died out because a critical mass realised it was a fraud. If everyone had not had the internet, and had bought into it, it would not have peaked before the vaccine was produced, and may well have laid waste millions
Such is the nature of things - knowledge is power
I remain open to theories on the moon. What's your problem? Do you know the detail?

Nice one paolo :)

[energi]

Do a bit of research on the german (of course) mathematician
Bernhard Riemann (1826-1866) and his works on differential geometry and n-dimensions. Then david's new book makes perfect sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX3VmDgiFnY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX3VmDgiFnY

Sun = light source
moon = sphere




Or is the pineal gland the light source and your eyeball the sphere?

ps. Posting this on 3 threads so it's not missed.
Nice post :D.

[ninny]

If the moon was a giant spaceship which as hollow, it wouldn't have the mass to have the tidal effects it has on the oceans.


i guess he didnt provide any theory about tides then?.

[655321]

It's not hollowed out. It's just a base for aliens so they can observe us abduct us and laugh at us.

http://alaska.usgs.gov/science/biology/polar_bears/images/rfid_tag.jpg

We put radio collars on animals they put implants in us.

http://extraordinaryintelligence.com/files/2009/04/implant.jpg

As above so below. David Icke is a genius.

[sh3lly]

If the moon was a giant spaceship which as hollow, it wouldn't have the mass to have the tidal effects it has on the oceans.

Well, you're thinking like a present day human. What if another species (E.T.) could compensate for that or create it falsely with technology? It is possible there are aliens who could create suns or planets, why would tides be a problem for them?

[jonathanb]

Yeah, you know, reading some of these posts really intrigues me. You get people saying that Icke expects everyone to believe his 'uneducated' theories, while he dismisses so-called 'educated' theories or whatever. Its obvious these people havent read the books or alternatively have completely misinterpreted them.

Icke will be the first one to tell you that everyone has their own belief system or truth and that we are entitled to that. And we are !!! Its called free will, and there is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion - so long as it IS your own opinion and not just a repitition of someone elses ideas.

And i know there will be people that say a lot of people just follow what Icke says because it suits them or because they dont have any real theories of their own. And this is definately correct aswell, so there is always different ways of looking at things. Im sure there are some very intelligent and educated people on this forum, and to be honest, a few foolish ones too.

When I started reading the biggest secret (my first Icke book) I was a complete christian, with very linear views to life, spirituality etc... All that changed after reading the book. And i know christians will say that i was brainwashed by a conman. But let them! After that book, i started reading a lot more about a lot of these subjects, but mainly spirituality and the quantum nature of reality. And now (not to sound arrogant) i consider myself one of the most open minded people i know, even though i still know bugger all! haha!

Anyway, my point is that Icke did help me open my mind to greater possibilities and i am eternally greatful to him for that!

So go ahead and have your say, i just dont believe that icke is the money grabbing conman a lot of you guys make him out to be. There IS a lot of truth in his books, a lot of it might be bogus too . . . anythings possible, just always try keep an open mind, because without that, we truly are just drones plodding along, believing things which fit in our comfort zone and never allowing alternative views into our 'reality':)

Peace

[omnisense]

I first heard about reptile ETs about 10 years ago after first hearing about David Icke. I was skeptical, but open minded.

10 years later, I am now in contact with these ETs. I would have never thought it would happen, but it did. What they say to me is few and far between and usually very short, while they do something to my body. Good ETs arrange them to talk to me while they do something to me because I am curious about them... <3 the good ETs out there, they are amazing.

It's a shame how outlandish the idea of a reptile ET is to people... Its a big universe out there. What I want to know about is insect ETs. The good ETs say they don't let insects evolve because they are disgusting and vile creatures who rarely turn into a friend. I have had simulated experiences with 2 insect races. One was horrible, likened to the greys. One was very nice. I wonder if insects get to evolve to intelligent life anymore in this universe....

As for David Icke being crazy... I really wonder where he gets his information. The benevolent ETs I know say they protect him. But they never said he was a contact.

[mtn44]

I first heard about reptile ETs about 10 years ago after first hearing about David Icke. I was skeptical, but open minded.

10 years later, I am now in contact with these ETs. I would have never thought it would happen, but it did. What they say to me is few and far between and usually very short, while they do something to my body. Good ETs arrange them to talk to me while they do something to me because I am curious about them... <3 the good ETs out there, they are amazing.

It's a shame how outlandish the idea of a reptile ET is to people... Its a big universe out there. What I want to know about is insect ETs. The good ETs say they don't let insects evolve because they are disgusting and vile creatures who rarely turn into a friend. I have had simulated experiences with 2 insect races. One was horrible, likened to the greys. One was very nice. I wonder if insects get to evolve to intelligent life anymore in this universe....

As for David Icke being crazy... I really wonder where he gets his information. The benevolent ETs I know say they protect him. But they never said he was a contact.

which e.t are you intouch with?

[clint web]

They are probably using tractor beams, or some sort of artifical gravity device to cause tidal action

:rolleyes:

[eyeballkid88]

It's ALL the illusionary world yes. If it requires thought it's in the matrix. People have refused to respond to his accusations. All they have to do is say fine here I am test me but of course they refuse. There are no or very few real journalists left.

If you think he is just out to make lots of money whyy are you bothering to be here? Have you read his stuff listened to his stuff?

I find this idea of people taking the time to post on something they think is rubbish quite fascinating. Why waste your life energy arguing a point that you believe is untrue? Very very odd. Displaced anger maybe? I would not go to a Bible site and argue that it's rubbish, I believe it is but what would I be accomplishing? nothing that I can think of.... Maybe subconsciously you believe his stuff is true? hmmm... very very odd... and not rational...

Everyone has their own reality. You and those like you will not change anyone else's reality on a board like this..

....sigh... I really wish someone who does this would explain why they do it and be truthfull...

I feel the same, very strange why people would come on here to discredt something they dont beleive in, could of course be stoogies and there seems to be more people on her crying and moaning since he has begun his book launch...

overall just very disappointed with the type iof people on his since ive stuck my head round the door again...

[eyeballkid88]

http://freeverbage.wordpress.com/201...th-david-icke/

watch....

[motokeiru]

This is just total insanity he is peddling now, it was bad enough that he was going with the world is run by giant lizards nonsense but know he is peddling a theory which is ridiculous to anyone who has a basic understanding of physics.

If the moon was a giant spaceship which as hollow, it wouldn't have the mass to have the tidal effects it has on the oceans.

It has become clear to me that David is obviously working to discredit the truth movement with this insanity. Because from looking at all of his work and success its clear to see he isn't stupid.

I could overlook the reptilian stuff, but this is just too far. He has totally lost it.

I certainly won't be coming back to his website as often in the future, and to be honest after the lack of a depression which everyone was screaming about and the whole swine flu debacle where alex jones had some guy on his radio show suggesting it was the end of the world i am starting to wonder if i have bought into one more big lie.

blasphemy David Icke has been on the moon...

[jackieg]

blasphemy David Icke has been on the moon...
Look at the bright side.....
at least Richard Branson is trying to first get into outer-space.:D:D

[catnik54]

I feel the same, very strange why people would come on here to discredt something they dont beleive in, could of course be stoogies and there seems to be more people on her crying and moaning since he has begun his book launch...

overall just very disappointed with the type iof people on his since ive stuck my head round the door again...I wish someone would explain why they do it..

If you enjoy this site and Icke's work, if it helps the way you see the world, and helps you learn then don't be discouraged by the critics. But don't let the cry of troll by David or anyone else stop you questioning and seeking the truth. I'm not trying to discredit Icke. He has said a lot that is true. However nothing he says is new, found out by his own research only and more importantly the research he claims to have done is all from secondary sources and eye witness testimony. Nothing he claims is provable. That is the truth. David came along during a period of the nineties when those of us that were fighting the elites politically were losing big time. He gave people the courage to get going again, stand up and be firm, take individual action to spread the word.To talk and oppose out loud. Not the word that David likes to spread that he was the first and only one that found out and told the world about this conspiracy, which was well known and out in the open.But to encourage people to continue their work of opposing the powerful and to educated the ignorant who blindly accepted government propaganda.

We were reading about new technologies ,police surveillance technologies computers, biological programming and transrobotic entities coming up on the horizon in the 70's and 80's before computers came along. In my opinion David Icke, has hijacked everybody elses ideas. But that is my opinion.....truth is not the same as opinion...I can't tell you the truth.. neither can David claim to.. education teaches us there must be evidence.

Why I am angry is because David extols his own virtues and detracts from anyone that critisises or even questions him because they want to learn from him, as I tried to do once. He distorted what I said and turned it into a piece of clever journalism. I asked myself why when all I did was say I'm not subscribing if you don't explain, why he had to shoot me down and distort what I said, without entering into a genuine dialogue? Why when I offered my experience to him of growing up , reflecting on politics from a different culture , he responded with one word. Yawn! He accused me of seeking attention, when he had no idea what I had been through myself in the 80's and beyond fighting the system. At what personal cost do others fight David?

David offers his experience as evidence for his work, I am seeking attention when I talk of mine? So I worked it out. There are two things to ask when someone does something you don't feel right about...why? Their motives and... are they out to cause me harm..? David's motive if he looked in the mirror is not that different to everyone else's , he's angry at the corruption, and murder but he is also angry at what they did to him in the past..they took away his credibility, called him MAD, threatened his livelihood.

And people who criticise him or ask questions without giving him automatic credibility, acclaim or praise as the what? I don't know? Oh yes , the one who said it first, knew it first, the only one with knowledge or authority, to speak or publish. He's trying to corner the market to compete in the publishing world, because aside from spreading the political message he publishes his own books.He steamrollers, attacks, shoots you down....he's not out to harm me personality , he wants me out of the arena , it threatens his livelihood, yet again!

That's why I tried to tell the truth about what David said and what David writes. I don't want to discredit his work, but I don't want him to call me blind while he's pulling the wool over my eyes!

You would learn more by being educated before reading David work. Most of what he says is more philosophy than research or evidence. Try looking at Rene Descarte, french phiolsopher before you decipher Icke's particular feast.

Come to it grounded and looking for concrete proof not comjecture and opinions stated as fact!

Ex -Footballers and their take on the world. This is so serious ,I could cry.

Katie Nikforou.

[eyeballkid88]

hav you studied his work? Have you read his books? Have you been to his talks?

This guy is not interested in "his livleyhood" as you put it for 10 yrs he was completely ignored, it was only post 9/11 that people started to sit up and take note, he has put his family through collective and indivdual hell(which turned into their greatest gifts, all of them) but at the time would have been excrutiating, he is without oubt a hugely brave man, and with reference to the more "out there" opinions, do you own research and judge for yourslef, watch the Wilder interview and see what you think... personally I think hes a genius, brave and ultimately my viewpoint, my perspective has changed I am and have been for several years now, looking at life from the view of consciouness as opposed to the biometric computer we are conditioned to believe we are...

Your cynicism suggests that perhaps you have a way to go, listen to his new interview, great interview, and one other thing that may help is this....

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

watch all parts... good luck

[hadabusa]

I feel the same, very strange why people would come on here to discredt something they dont beleive in, could of course be stoogies and there seems to be more people on her crying and moaning since he has begun his book launch...

overall just very disappointed with the type iof people on his since ive stuck my head round the door again...

this is the ultimate turning point.

common sensers are now called "strange ppl"
im pissing myself.

[hadabusa]

I wish someone would explain why they do it..

If you enjoy this site and Icke's work, if it helps the way you see the world, and helps you learn then don't be discouraged by the critics. But don't let the cry of troll by David or anyone else stop you questioning and seeking the truth. I'm not trying to discredit Icke. He has said a lot that is true. However nothing he says is new, found out by his own research only and more importantly the research he claims to have done is all from secondary sources and eye witness testimony. Nothing he claims is provable. That is the truth. David came along during a period of the nineties when those of us that were fighting the elites politically were losing big time. He gave people the courage to get going again, stand up and be firm, take individual action to spread the word.To talk and oppose out loud. Not the word that David likes to spread that he was the first and only one that found out and told the world about this conspiracy, which was well known and out in the open.But to encourage people to continue their work of opposing the powerful and to educated the ignorant who blindly accepted government propaganda.

We were reading about new technologies ,police surveillance technologies computers, biological programming and transrobotic entities coming up on the horizon in the 70's and 80's before computers came along. In my opinion David Icke, has hijacked everybody elses ideas. But that is my opinion.....truth is not the same as opinion...I can't tell you the truth.. neither can David claim to.. education teaches us there must be evidence.

Why I am angry is because David extols his own virtues and detracts from anyone that critisises or even questions him because they want to learn from him, as I tried to do once. He distorted what I said and turned it into a piece of clever journalism. I asked myself why when all I did was say I'm not subscribing if you don't explain, why he had to shoot me down and distort what I said, without entering into a genuine dialogue? Why when I offered my experience to him of growing up , reflecting on politics from a different culture , he responded with one word. Yawn! He accused me of seeking attention, when he had no idea what I had been through myself in the 80's and beyond fighting the system. At what personal cost do others fight David?

David offers his experience as evidence for his work, I am seeking attention when I talk of mine? So I worked it out. There are two things to ask when someone does something you don't feel right about...why? Their motives and... are they out to cause me harm..? David's motive if he looked in the mirror is not that different to everyone else's , he's angry at the corruption, and murder but he is also angry at what they did to him in the past..they took away his credibility, called him MAD, threatened his livelihood.

And people who criticise him or ask questions without giving him automatic credibility, acclaim or praise as the what? I don't know? Oh yes , the one who said it first, knew it first, the only one with knowledge or authority, to speak or publish. He's trying to corner the market to compete in the publishing world, because aside from spreading the political message he publishes his own books.He steamrollers, attacks, shoots you down....he's not out to harm me personality , he wants me out of the arena , it threatens his livelihood, yet again!

That's why I tried to tell the truth about what David said and what David writes. I don't want to discredit his work, but I don't want him to call me blind while he's pulling the wool over my eyes!

You would learn more by being educated before reading David work. Most of what he says is more philosophy than research or evidence. Try looking at Rene Descarte, french phiolsopher before you decipher Icke's particular feast.

Come to it grounded and looking for concrete proof not comjecture and opinions stated as fact!

Ex -Footballers and their take on the world. This is so serious ,I could cry.

Katie Nikforou.

katie, this post deserves a literature medal.

youre one very smart soul.

and well "mainstream" educated.
dont worry,im not one of these who dismiss popular education as govt propaganda .

intellectually,id very much date you:D

[hadabusa]

hav you studied his work? Have you read his books? Have you been to his talks?

This guy is not interested in "his livleyhood" as you put it for 10 yrs he was completely ignored, it was only post 9/11 that people started to sit up and take note, he has put his family through collective and indivdual hell(which turned into their greatest gifts, all of them) but at the time would have been excrutiating, he is without oubt a hugely brave man, and with reference to the more "out there" opinions, do you own research and judge for yourslef, watch the Wilder interview and see what you think... personally I think hes a genius, brave and ultimately my viewpoint, my perspective has changed I am and have been for several years now, looking at life from the view of consciouness as opposed to the biometric computer we are conditioned to believe we are...

Your cynicism suggests that perhaps you have a way to go, listen to his new interview, great interview, and one other thing that may help is this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHk5fnDk8r4

watch all parts... good luck

dude,i know theres freedom of speech etc, but for your own good, stop approaching catnik from your virtually assumed superiority position.

it has some parody value when you try to act smart, but this lady has intellectually just utterly destroyed you,while keeping good manners.

you have no idea how stupid youve made look yourself, its so bizarre.

ickes books are almost novellas,ffs.

look,i will not piss over his work further, just to educate you, risking a ban.

[ozpixie]

It takes all kinds to make a world and nobody has a monopoly on the truth. This issue is huge and it will take a while to get to the end of the rabbit hole. To the naysayers, David Icke is not the only one talking about a hollow or occupied moon. It is naive and stupid to simply believe either side of the argument without doing further reading and listening. I have an open mind. I have not been contacted by ET's, nor have I ever seen a reptilian (that I know of) but I have surely had some of the experiences relating to time and space that David speaks about and I did not use any drugs. I have also occasionally seen ''people'' that seem not to be people and that is another issue that he has spoken about. I just ignore those who come in here just to stir the pot, making accusations and statements that have no basis. I have experienced some really wierd and unusual things and they happened spontaneously and I was skeptical of people who discussed this kind of thing before I began to have these experiences. I guess what I am trying to say is that you must walk a mile in someone elses shoes before you judge them.

[hadabusa]

It takes all kinds to make a world and nobody has a monopoly on the truth. This issue is huge and it will take a while to get to the end of the rabbit hole. To the naysayers, David Icke is not the only one talking about a hollow or occupied moon. It is naive and stupid to simply believe either side of the argument without doing further reading and listening. I have an open mind. I have not been contacted by ET's, nor have I ever seen a reptilian (that I know of) but I have surely had some of the experiences relating to time and space that David speaks about and I did not use any drugs. I have also occasionally seen ''people'' that seem not to be people and that is another issue that he has spoken about. I just ignore those who come in here just to stir the pot, making accusations and statements that have no basis. I have experienced some really wierd and unusual things and they happened spontaneously and I was skeptical of people who discussed this kind of thing before I began to have these experiences. I guess what I am trying to say is that you must walk a mile in someone elses shoes before you judge them.

ok, but have you passed elementary school?

[energi]

Physics is consciousness. Whatever your illusionary Self vibrates manifests all of the time in Creation.

What you perceive outside your 'physical' senses is EMPTY. Therefore, your experience - whatever that is - is you.

Think of waking life as a lucid dream. You only get fooled by it when you perceive it as real and outside yourself. Once you know that "hey, all of this - right here and now - is me." You take the power back and change it.

Vibrate with "David has lost it", and he has lost it in YOUR reality.





However, I don't identify with any of that. Ergo, my experience is of another nature. The key lies in vibration, sound and harmonies.

All Is, separate in your perception of physical reality yet vastly interconnected in the Infinite Now. :D


tl;dr - “Ego is a structure that is erected by a neurotic individual who is a member of a neurotic culture against the facts of the matter. And culture, which we put on like an overcoat, is the collectivized consensus about what sort of neurotic behaviors are acceptable.” (Terence McCenna)

[catnik54]

Yawn
http://whybenormal.today.com/files/2009/03/yawn-1.jpg
There is life outside our planet and solar system.
Get over it.
Some of it is probably reptilian in appearance. Woah, so far fetched. :rolleyes:

And if you haven't noticed, theories about the moon being artificial are NOT new. He didn't just invent this stuff.


No! What pisses me off is that David sets himself up as some leading authority and sells himself as special and unique when ts all CoMMinG from other people's views and ideas and books.. In 90 years time I could do the same,with Icke's books.

Alien life on earth, eons more technologically advanced, able to time travel and travel the universe and they have been here for centuries but they are only just achieving the push for enslaving the human race?

If there is life on other planets we are the equivalent of a weekend holiday to Great Yarmouth and they avoid us like the plaque, beautiful planet, can't stand the locals. We are a tourist destination.....of the low and a place of exile for the alien crims...? What...de...ya...say?

[catnik54]

well someone invented it. look guys this crap all of it i mean we dont have proof only theory. di gets his information from a sharman and by him going astral. woopy do most astral beings lie. sure hes right on the whole agenda thing nwo and that but the rest i mean bloody hell. D.I is boreing and reptive sometimes, every intiview he starts with how he began his journey which i dont think is completely true the man is knee deep into magic. Its like every one here takes this guys word as gosspil. Its just theory not fact.

I tell you what i have learnt about aliens they are not psyical like us. they wish they were thats why we rock and they envy us.

Yep god is reptillian and most angels are. so what hes not evil.
there has been a war bettween anu (god) heaven and hell nebu and mudduk. for 1000's of yrars hell hates humanity will distroy it at any cost. heaven created and grew us.

dna moon spaceship reptillan people pysical people am not convinced.

It says in the bible end of the world willl come when we worship fase idels. is this what were doing now isnt being a fan some sort of worship. think for your self guys be happy and god bless.

Well said, why it took David 300,000 words in 10 different versions of the same stuff to say it....is beyond me!?

[catnik54]

The problem I see is that they aren't losing any base programming, they're just changing from one source to another. From Jesus and his Disciples to the Reptilians in the Moon.

I'm still waiting for Icke to act on his assertions. All these people that he claims are evil reptilians or paedophiles are still out there, so why isn't Icke stood outside their house with a placard and a few journalists demanding that action be taken? Why isn't he outside the banks or in the city of london?

All he does is copy and paste other people's work, add some of his own information that is passed to him through 'channelling the spirits' and hopes to earn enough to support his family and Ickle Icke's music career.

Oh didn't you know, he is God.. he can only communicate the message...spirit cannot intervene...you have got to get off your arses.....while he runs the Bridge of Love marketing campaign>Stand outside a pedophiles house and get arressted...direct action David...please...You'll be telling me next Politicians and leaders have to mean what they say or lead by example.

[catnik54]

If you have an open mind and understand how patterns repeat how come you can't consider the fact that Icke is a con man? It's no diferent from zealous christians/muslims/jews that can't question their beliefs. They must be right because they say they are right.

And for the record, Icke on several occasions talks about physical reptiles. He quotes from a book called 'Caverns, Cauldrons and Concealed Creatures' by a guy called William Michael Mott, which talks about them. What about Credo Mutwa? Didn't he and Icke make a video about physical reptilians? What about the Dogon people and their link to Sirius and physical reptilians? What about the 'witnesses' he brings out who say they've seen them? Where do you think the reptilian dna in the hybrids comes from if there aren't physical reptilians?

Oh but it's all a hologram, vibrational energy and all that. I'm sorry, but the holographic universe depends on quantum physics and seeing as Icke thinks science is a con and he famously said, "Algebra? What do I need that for?" I question his ability to understand it.

This in itself is a good example of Icke's method. Take little bits from accepted thoughts and science, ignore the rest and when people ask questions switch stances to metaphysics and a requirement of 'faith'.

And ofcourse, if you still don't agree then you're sheeple, or COINTELPRO.

Its all skilled psychological verbal diversion and 100% aggression from David 100% salesman...sign on the dotted line...7 days to change your mind.....intimidation and threats if you question the figures. Oh and unexplanned events and synchronicities?...Sold on the strength of the Spiritual angle....what an amateur.

[catnik54]

_tzupidity wrote:



You say you've read icke's books.

may I suggest you try again - and this time try to understand them.


ufochick was clearly referring to icke's ideas about how one person 's
reality is not necessarily another person's reality.

What is true in my reality may not be true in your reality.

You say mr _tzupidity you have 'read' all of Icke's books.

Your posts don't show that.

In fact , my dog seems to have a better understanding of icke's
metaphysical ideas than you.

'Icke's metaphysical ideas.? Fuck off.....Rene Descartes.....philosopher..its kind of taught in universities and other systems of indoctrination quote him....Of course not having an education is an advantage, cause then you can fill your own mind with nonsense, convince yourself its the only truth and....deconstruct society and put your reality on a trip and send it to Cornwall on a bus...but if you really get lucky you get to do a whistle stop tour of the world lecturing.Better than being a civil servant and more bread in it too! Never mind that people in the third world would give their eyes and teeth to live here and get an education.......Self interest and free thinker and free marketeer, how metaphysical an idea is that for you? NO try free speech.
No wonder David doesn't like to mix his political debate with science and metaphysics.............Doesn't the tooth fairy make more sense to you...Or doesn't the illusion that is your body need food now that it's all genetically modified...all you need is love.....when you are 18. Yeahhhhhhhhh...You all really do think your own versions and interpretations of 'Grand Daavi...d's WORK' is the superior one...cause that is all you are responding to genuine comments with...an air of pompous superiority.....What the fuckkkk is a bloody Matrix??????? Nothing but a good film...like every scene and personal interation you've ever taken part...in..yes I've read Icke's stuff and it was very familiar...it was doing the rounds for entertainment value when I was at University in 1987...Can you now see why I'm pissed off to the high heavens with the bloke.

[catnik54]

mtn44 wrote:



Tell me, Einstein - how do you 'prove' spiritual ideas? Is there no
place for the faculty of hgher knowledge -intuition in your
little world.

As for icke , if you think he is a con-man, a cheat, simply switch off
-and move on to writers you find more to your thinking.

It's not rocket science.

Except Icke promises the truth... and that it would set us free.... and spiritual ideas mixed with politics sells.. ideological propaganda....its a declaration of war.....it taking the piss and making money out of us....its not rocket and its not science but you pompous arrogant idiots ...all you can say is pay the money or just leave it and fuck off but...leave us to it. As a genuine psychic...intuitive....healer and energy worker..who knows a fair bit about metaphysics ideas and spirit worlds as well as lower astral stuff and politics ,as well, not completely and unreliably learnt solely from Reading Ick's work...we are aggrieved at Icke offensive dogmatic aggression and lack of honest feedback or response to our genuine criticisms of his approach. It is causing debate and conflict on forums and confusion in some people's minds. As it is not a terrain solely occupied by Icke...or one that he has exclusive rights to..it is not as simple as just switching off. He is treading his ignorant size nines all over my gentle life journey and vomiting all over my nice clean carpet....so no I'm not going to leave it and switch off..its more important than a decision to take a chance on it being real or not. But ideas is the forte of Ickie's, not understanding...,free speech is Icke's ideology ..not words of love and understanding....which ideologies that promote hate.,..eg BNP do not usually care about, but the members are capable of it, according to Ike and he would rather defend them than me, because he sees himself as having more in common with them. No its not science but it can be very, very destructive to go about saying what David does.

[catnik54]

Do a bit of research on the german (of course) mathematician
Bernhard Riemann (1826-1866) and his works on differential geometry and n-dimensions. Then david's new book makes perfect sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX3VmDgiFnY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX3VmDgiFnY

Sun = light source
moon = sphere




Or is the pineal gland the light source and your eyeball the sphere?

ps. Posting this on 3 threads so it's not missed.

No its allablout the light bulb now..the sun dosen't exist anymore..cause we don't need it anyway...what ah....no brainer.

[catnik54]

Yeah, you know, reading some of these posts really intrigues me. You get people saying that Icke expects everyone to believe his 'uneducated' theories, while he dismisses so-called 'educated' theories or whatever. Its obvious these people havent read the books or alternatively have completely misinterpreted them.

Icke will be the first one to tell you that everyone has their own belief system or truth and that we are entitled to that. And we are !!! Its called free will, and there is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion - so long as it IS your own opinion and not just a repitition of someone elses ideas.

And i know there will be people that say a lot of people just follow what Icke says because it suits them or because they dont have any real theories of their own. And this is definately correct aswell, so there is always different ways of looking at things. Im sure there are some very intelligent and educated people on this forum, and to be honest, a few foolish ones too.

When I started reading the biggest secret (my first Icke book) I was a complete christian, with very linear views to life, spirituality etc... All that changed after reading the book. And i know christians will say that i was brainwashed by a conman. But let them! After that book, i started reading a lot more about a lot of these subjects, but mainly spirituality and the quantum nature of reality. And now (not to sound arrogant) i consider myself one of the most open minded people i know, even though i still know bugger all! haha!

Anyway, my point is that Icke did help me open my mind to greater possibilities and i am eternally greatful to him for that!

So go ahead and have your say, i just dont believe that icke is the money grabbing conman a lot of you guys make him out to be. There IS a lot of truth in his books, a lot of it might be bogus too . . . anythings possible, just always try keep an open mind, because without that, we truly are just drones plodding along, believing things which fit in our comfort zone and never allowing alternative views into our 'reality':)

Peace

I don't mind that......if the books Ike wrote gave you a new perspective and you learnt from him..that is all to the good that he started a fundamentalist to question their rigid beliefs. Buton a personal level the man is being attacked because he is laying claim to fame and that he has sensational material he only has researched and that is a lie. Also he is fighting to defend himself too readily and too angrily and is being too much on his own power trip...we wanted to learn from him but he would only give to us on his terms and makes us a passive recipients and unequals. Handing down to us his superiority and that is not healthy or sane....but I am pleased you appreciated his books because at first he did write some reassuring material bringing together mainly themes that open the mind to other views of the world and spiritual life. Which as a spiritualist living in a world that celebrates God but acts as if you are Mad if you actually believe in, hell, heaven,and other levels it can be hard and confusing to hear time and time again that if you can't see it its not there. I like that he is opening your mind up.

[les_paul_robot]

No! What pisses me off is that David sets himself up as some leading authority and sells himself as special and unique when ts all CoMMinG from other people's views and ideas and books.. In 90 years time I could do the same,with Icke's books.Nothing's stopping you from writing books and doing lecture tours. Oh that's right, you're nowhere near as brave.


Alien life on earth, eons more technologically advanced, able to time travel and travel the universe and they have been here for centuries but they are only just achieving the push for enslaving the human race?

If there is life on other planets we are the equivalent of a weekend holiday to Great Yarmouth and they avoid us like the plaque, beautiful planet, can't stand the locals. We are a tourist destination.....of the low and a place of exile for the alien crims...? What...de...ya...say?Only just? The last 2 or 3 thousand years have been pretty good for them I'd say.
The human race is on the verge of greatness and that is what those ETs simultaneously want to stop and are afraid of.

[grizzle]

....

Colin Wilson's 1967 book, The Mind Parasites, is an excellent fictionalization of the idea of an inhabited moon. With the title, you can easily come to the premise. It involves Lovecraft, in part.
He quotes Gurdjieff as saying "We are all cattle being fattened for the moon".
Then there is Von Reichenbach's work with "lunatics", somnambulists who were compelled to go outside during a moonlit night and stare up at it. The Baron indicated moonlight was especially irritating to sensitives.

[catnik54]

Yawn
http://whybenormal.today.com/files/2009/03/yawn-1.jpg
There is life outside our planet and solar system.
Get over it.
Some of it is probably reptilian in appearance. Woah, so far fetched. :rolleyes:

And if you haven't noticed, theories about the moon being artificial are NOT new. He didn't just invent this stuff.


...your name Brian?. Are you Scottish? Are you making a living as a male model? I think we've met somewhere? It not a cheesy chat up line honest...! You look and sound like a familiar voice in my ear?

[les_paul_robot]

...your name Brian?. Are you Scottish? Are you making a living as a male model? I think we've met somewhere? It not a cheesy chat up line honest...! You look and sound like a familiar voice in my ear?
No.
You are a nut :)

[catnik54]

Nothing's stopping you from writing books and doing lecture tours. Oh that's right, you're nowhere near as brave.

Only just? The last 2 or 3 thousand years have been pretty good for them I'd say.
The human race is on the verge of greatness and that is what those ETs simultaneously want to stop and are afraid of.

A programmed mind, not the robotic, slavish, mentality, type programme but a socially conditioned one. Lets get our definitions right! Relying on it's conditioned beliefs and responses to the world is more sure of itself, stronger in its convictions, convinced of its superiority, inspired by its own pomposity, greatly conditioned by the love of football and goal scoring to have an ego the size of the Grand Canon and more suited to defend against constant .....attacks on the psyche that touring with the Info requires. David has not
removed his own conditioning from his attitudes and behavior, he may have been through a period of self questioning but this may have caused him to strengthen inside him those conditioned beliefs that make him strong and invincible instead of questioning their assumptions......Being ridiculed and called MAD is not a pleasant experience but it can make you stronger. I on the other hand am not brave enough.............true!

[catnik54]

No.
You are a nut :)

Sorry, case of mistaken identity. Pleease define nut, so I can.....get a true measure of myself?

[pound]

A programmed mind, not the robotic, slavish, mentality, type programme but a socially conditioned one. Lets get our definitions right! Relying on it's conditioned beliefs and responses to the world is more sure of itself, stronger in its convictions, convinced of its superiority, inspired by its own pomposity, greatly conditioned by the love of football and goal scoring to have an ego the size of the Grand Canon and more suited to defend against constant .....attacks on the psyche that touring with the Info requires. David has not
removed his own conditioning from his attitudes and behavior, he may have been through a period of self questioning but this may have caused him to strengthen inside him those conditioned beliefs that make him strong and invincible instead of questioning their assumptions......Being ridiculed and called MAD is not a pleasant experience but it can make you stronger. I on the other hand am not brave enough.............true!

You speak of Icke in terms of being 'conditioned', but how is that so if he has thoroughly broken away from Mainstream logic, which is the biggest mind 'conditoning'/programming system of all? (which 95% of humanity seems to be in lock step with BTW).

[candykorn_85]

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k50/siolfir/Fun%20Posters/deadhorse.jpg

Lmfao. :)

[catnik54]

You speak of Icke in terms of being 'conditioned', but how is that so if he has thoroughly broken away from Mainstream logic, which is the biggest mind 'conditoning'/programming system of all? (which 95% of humanity seems to be in lock step with BTW).

I think that you'd be surprised how much mainstream logic is still relied on by all of us to get by in the world, however far removed we think we are from it. We are still evolving through our socialized conditioned upbringing, throughout our lives. Instinct, biology and environment , condition us as biological beings as do our primary nurturers our parents, assumptions and mistaken beliefs are part and parcel of being human and subject to this process. You can tell a lot about a person watching their responses, about their conditioning and their beliefs. Most people separate themselves into roles, work role, parent role, footballer , journalist , rules exist in each sphere, we are conditioned to respond to the rules. David is no different and he is not any less programmed or free of this thing he calls the matrix than the rest of us. it involves a lot of reactions from the unconscious mind as well as the conscious.Psychological make-up is not that easy to escape from. While we grow up we all have some trauma that conditions us that we are frighten to examine or question that leave us stuck with a particular conditioned response that we neither question or consider is biased or based on mistaken beliefs, this affects our unconscious mind whether we think we are so called awake, alive , unprogrammed, alert, living it real ,undead or high powered infinite consciousness or not. According to David the human body is a limitation an earth suit that constrains our freedom..I think he said that...please don't bother answering with ..speak for yourself which is how most people react, pointing the finger at you but declaring themselves free and wide awake.

[les_paul_robot]

Sorry, case of mistaken identity. Pleease define nut, so I can.....get a true measure of myself?
nut (nt)
n.

2. Slang
a. A crazy or eccentric person.
http://jonkam.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/thumbs-up-150x150.jpg

[eyeballkid88]

dude,i know theres freedom of speech etc, but for your own good, stop approaching catnik from your virtually assumed superiority position.

it has some parody value when you try to act smart, but this lady has intellectually just utterly destroyed you,while keeping good manners.

you have no idea how stupid youve made look yourself, its so bizarre.

ickes books are almost novellas,ffs.

look,i will not piss over his work further, just to educate you, risking a ban.


Lol... dear oh dear.... so your here to piss on ickes work then? Its like me hating take that and spending time trying to convince their fans that they are rubbish...

strange way to spent your time....

[eyeballkid88]

catnik and blurry girl sitting on the stairs...

Have you actually studied any of his work? Have you researched his stuff? Have you spent any time listening to the guy?

If you genuinely think he is just a sales guy pulling stuff out of his arse, then you obviously havent looked into his work at all...

[eyeballkid88]

I wish someone would explain why they do it..

If you enjoy this site and Icke's work, if it helps the way you see the world, and helps you learn then don't be discouraged by the critics. But don't let the cry of troll by David or anyone else stop you questioning and seeking the truth. I'm not trying to discredit Icke. He has said a lot that is true. However nothing he says is new, found out by his own research only and more importantly the research he claims to have done is all from secondary sources and eye witness testimony. Nothing he claims is provable. That is the truth. David came along during a period of the nineties when those of us that were fighting the elites politically were losing big time. He gave people the courage to get going again, stand up and be firm, take individual action to spread the word.To talk and oppose out loud. Not the word that David likes to spread that he was the first and only one that found out and told the world about this conspiracy, which was well known and out in the open.But to encourage people to continue their work of opposing the powerful and to educated the ignorant who blindly accepted government propaganda.

We were reading about new technologies ,police surveillance technologies computers, biological programming and transrobotic entities coming up on the horizon in the 70's and 80's before computers came along. In my opinion David Icke, has hijacked everybody elses ideas. But that is my opinion.....truth is not the same as opinion...I can't tell you the truth.. neither can David claim to.. education teaches us there must be evidence.

Why I am angry is because David extols his own virtues and detracts from anyone that critisises or even questions him because they want to learn from him, as I tried to do once. He distorted what I said and turned it into a piece of clever journalism. I asked myself why when all I did was say I'm not subscribing if you don't explain, why he had to shoot me down and distort what I said, without entering into a genuine dialogue? Why when I offered my experience to him of growing up , reflecting on politics from a different culture , he responded with one word. Yawn! He accused me of seeking attention, when he had no idea what I had been through myself in the 80's and beyond fighting the system. At what personal cost do others fight David?

David offers his experience as evidence for his work, I am seeking attention when I talk of mine? So I worked it out. There are two things to ask when someone does something you don't feel right about...why? Their motives and... are they out to cause me harm..? David's motive if he looked in the mirror is not that different to everyone else's , he's angry at the corruption, and murder but he is also angry at what they did to him in the past..they took away his credibility, called him MAD, threatened his livelihood.

And people who criticise him or ask questions without giving him automatic credibility, acclaim or praise as the what? I don't know? Oh yes , the one who said it first, knew it first, the only one with knowledge or authority, to speak or publish. He's trying to corner the market to compete in the publishing world, because aside from spreading the political message he publishes his own books.He steamrollers, attacks, shoots you down....he's not out to harm me personality , he wants me out of the arena , it threatens his livelihood, yet again!

That's why I tried to tell the truth about what David said and what David writes. I don't want to discredit his work, but I don't want him to call me blind while he's pulling the wool over my eyes!

You would learn more by being educated before reading David work. Most of what he says is more philosophy than research or evidence. Try looking at Rene Descarte, french phiolsopher before you decipher Icke's particular feast.

Come to it grounded and looking for concrete proof not comjecture and opinions stated as fact!

Ex -Footballers and their take on the world. This is so serious ,I could cry.

Katie Nikforou.

Im with dave on this YAWN!!!

he destroyed his own credibility, it wasnt taken from him, and he states continuosly that it was the bes tthing that ever happend to him , caused ego death(somthing which you are your partner might benefit from) and freed him of the caring what other people think...

yeah your right, he nicked all the surveilance and microchip ideas, and just got lucky that everything hes said has come to pass...

Mate hes obviously upset you and girly there and so you come on here and slag him and insult him and continue to pass your negativity on...

good for you... carry on..

[ozpixie]

ok, but have you passed elementary school?

Nope and I don't pretend any different.

[eyeballkid88]

ok, but have you passed elementary school?

Ok, but is your reality filtered purely by your left brain?

[hadabusa]

catnik and blurry girl sitting on the stairs...

Have you actually studied any of his work? Have you researched his stuff? Have you spent any time listening to the guy?

If you genuinely think he is just a sales guy pulling stuff out of his arse, then you obviously havent looked into his work at all...

yes, read, "studied" would be appropriate for non fictional work.

researched?
how?break into buckingham basement&look for eaten children?
cut elizabeth in half,just to make sure once and for all that shesa reppie?

btw, his theories arent from his ass, its repackaged stuff from others, hence,not original source.

the moon research might have some obstacles4us,btw, we cant go there by plane.

and i watched all utube vids by him.

the1with credo guy was great,i laughed all the way thru.

btw, credo s got the aids cure, but unfortunatelly,hes broke.

[eyeballkid88]

So blurry,

If its all rubbish, what are you doing here???

[catnik54]

catnik and blurry girl sitting on the stairs...

Have you actually studied any of his work? Have you researched his stuff? Have you spent any time listening to the guy?

If you genuinely think he is just a sales guy pulling stuff out of his arse, then you obviously havent looked into his work at all...

Oh hi, eyeballkid88,

Having humiliated myself, and shown myself to be a complete moronic, fucked up robotic zombie of enormously blood sucking venomous proportions,curled around my own ego, hissing superiority, at every turn and aiming my poison at David...I am now enormously red-faced and exposed. Open to the humiliation which is bound to now be thrown in the bucket-loads at me, I am probably forever going to have to live with the reputation i have created for myself. So now that the self pity is out of the way and I no longer have to hide away. I can only say how sorry I am to David, for the accusations I made against him. It is unforgivable to accuse him of being in it for the money. I honestly don't think he is. I have not read his latest book. I have no right to completely trash the man because of my own anger at his dismissive attitude to my e-mail, and opinions on free-speech,and my unwillingness to believe, or my inability to know that what he is saying about the moon is the truth.

I often wake up and fall asleep, the result of years of illness and mental health issues, a background of abuse. I am not educated. I dropped out of university and have been angry with everyone ever since.Yesterday in one of my trances ,I had my memories provoked and spurred on by other people who don't like that Davids assertions might be true, bought into their view that David's ideas are not re-searched but regurgitated. I am sorry, not just to David but for all those posters on here who were just getting into him and were spurred on to dismiss him and agree with my stupid accusations.

All this is no excuse, I am sorry and take it all back. I sorry I behaved like a troll.

I have read David's work, not all of it. It is awesome. Maybe if, any of you are prepared to give me another chance, it will become apparent to you that when I am truly awake, I am not the person I was yesterday writing those posts. I have however lost the right to call myself one of David's supporters because I realize, whatever I did to promote him in the past, I have not shown the slightest bit of political sense or understanding.

Thanks for the comment hah-abuse but I think you should get yourself a plummer this time.

[starshine]

Hey folks I am getting fed up with this theory of Icke being thought of as 'insane'. Why the hell are you in the man's forum.:confused:

[_tzupidity]

Hey folks I am getting fed up with this theory of Icke being thought of as 'insane'. Why the hell are you in the man's forum.:confused:

I don't think Icke is insane. He's too good at what he does to be insane. That said, I also think he has an agenda that is contrary to his public image. I'm here as an observer so that I can witness, on behalf of those who can't be here, what occurs over the next few months and to create a lasting historical record for future generations.

That said, I also don't feel it's fair to call this his forum. It uses his name sure, and he uses it to promote his interests, sure, but as we are repeatedly reminded he doesn't read it, he doesn't post on it, you can't talk to him on it (unless you pay the £3 a month) and I've even seen some claim he didn't want the forum in the first place and would pull the plug if it wasn't so popular with some of his customer base.

One thing we can all agree on is that Icke encourages (in his books/talks) free speech and critical thinking. You can't have free speech and critical thinking if certain topics are considered 'out of bounds'. He also says, repeatedly, If you have nothing to hide then you don't have to worry about scrutiny. He attacks people that meet in closed groups privately and don't allow certain topics to be discussed openly. He says they're the problem. So surely, as a dedicated Icke follower, you can't seriously be saying that this forum should implement a system that Icke himself can be shown to be against?

[_tzupidity]

I have to say you've disapointed my dog.

he wanted to debate icke's ideas with you ....but you ran off....
petrified.


You and your assumptions. The PTB of the DIF decided that some of my posts weren't in line with the posting guidelines of the DIF and several 'infractions' occured resulting in my inability to comment further on your ignorance and how much it amuses me.

This thread is full of rational people putting accross rational propositions. They are met by FANATICS like you who are quite happy to accept bizzare theories about the moon or reptiles with NO evidence whatsoever, but can't, even for discussions sake, consider the fact that their guru could be wrong.

Simple facts are presented to you and you evade them and resort to name calling. When asked for evidence you guys come back with "Uhh uhhh, look on google, uhhhh."

I've said it before and I'll say it once more; all of you reading this are witnessing the start of a new kind of religion. Prepare yourselves for more Fundamentalists, more hate, more violence and more misery. What's worse with these people is that they don't need a god anymore. They believe they are god and as such they can't possibly be wrong. Be afraid people, be very afraid.

[seanx]

tzupidity wrote:
You and your assumptions. The PTB of the DIF decided that some of my posts weren't in line with the posting guidelines of the DIF and several 'infractions' occured resulting in my inability to comment further on your ignorance and how much it amuses me.

This thread is full of rational people putting accross rational propositions. They are met by FANATICS like you who are quite happy to accept bizzare theories about the moon or reptiles with NO evidence whatsoever, but can't, even for discussions sake, consider the fact that their guru could be wrong.

Simple facts are presented to you and you evade them and resort to name calling. When asked for evidence you guys come back with "Uhh uhhh, look on google, uhhhh."

I've said it before and I'll say it once more; all of you reading this are witnessing the start of a new kind of religion. Prepare yourselves for more Fundamentalists, more hate, more violence and more misery. What's worse with these people is that they don't need a god anymore. They believe they are god and as such they can't possibly be wrong. Be afraid people, be very afraid.

YOU have had a week off and you come back with the same old dribble.

if you want to debate ideas - then debate them.

You know as well as I do - that you won't do this because you have
no idea what you are talking about.

That's why your posts are full of slander, hate and endless dribble.

As for the moon, unlike dummies like you, I haven't come to ANY CONCLUSION because
I have not yet had the chance to read icke's book and see what
his argument is.

However...it seems that doesn't affect morons like you who can
make judgments without seeing any of the arguments.


Says it all....about you guys.

if I was you, I'd take another week off.

[largejack]

Of course it's possible, just because the human brain is conditioned to be kept within the confines of conditioned science, doesn't mean anything else is impossible! In fact if you keep within the confines of conditioned science, then he argues that it should be impossible for a two thousand mile around heavenly body to exist so close to the Earth? You're ok with the reptilian thing, but not with the moon? Why is that?? If one of those theories is possible, then the other must be? There are so many strange mysteries built around the moon, full moons, wear wolves, gravity, mood swings, menstrual cycles, etc. Mysteries are born from truth in my opinion.

Anyway I can't believe everyone on this forum has not watched this fully illustrated feast of an interview? It gives a great taster to his new book as well!

http://freeverbage.wordpress.com/

I love his comparison to the Death Star?

He's also gained knowledge from this book "Who built the Moon"

Amazon.com: Who Built the Moon? (9781842931639): Christopher Knight, Alan Butler: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/4142V3P14CL.@@AMEPARAM@@4142V3P14CL

[_tzupidity]

if you want to debate ideas - then debate them.


Sean, I would rather put my penis into a blender than attempt to debate with you. I was just letting you know why I didn't reply. I thought it would have been rude to not have.

And here you are rewarding that with yet more abuse and "I'm right and you're wrong and I don't need to say why aslong as I insult you and call you stupid, neeeeeer." I sincerely hope that you are young enough for this to be a phase that you'll grow out of.


That's why your posts are full of slander, hate and endless dribble.


You mean like accusing people of being satanist pedophiles with no evidence knowing that they won't sue you because the general population have been conditioned to see that as evidence of guilt? Oh hang on, I got myself confused with the other David Icke then. Silly me.


As for the moon, unlike dummies like you, I haven't come to ANY CONCLUSION because I have not yet had the chance to read icke's book and see what his argument is.


I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but human kind has known about the moon for quite a long time now. Some humans have dedicated their lives to discovering the secrets and properties of the moon and other planetary bodies. We even make up special names from them like, Astronomer or Planetary Physicist. Some of them even get together and invent this stuff called Technology that allows us to get even greater knowledge. You may have heard of such things as Radio Telescopes and Satellites?

Ofcourse, if you want us to ignore all the knowledge that mankind has managed to get together and throw it out because the spirit beings have channelled some greater truth to Ickey and he's then gone off and quoted pretty much all of Stewart Swerdlow's and Sitchin's work like it's his own original thinking, because it seems to support what the none human entity said, then that's your choice. I humbly celebrate your right to be so ignorant.


However...it seems that doesn't affect morons like you who can
make judgments without seeing any of the arguments.


Your whole argument methodology goes like this...

1. I disagree with what the person just said.

2. I have no valid points to put accross so I will insult the person repeatedly as I believe in the power of, "I'm right because you're a stupid head." If I call them names often enough then people will believe in them and they will think I'm right even though I haven't actually said anything of value other than, 'You're a stupid head."

3. Attempt humour to disguise passive aggression and reality that I hate my life, know I'm a dumbass but by god I don't have the confidence to educate myself and improve.

4. Repeat from step 2 until person gives up.


if I was you, I'd take another week off.

If you were me you'd get a glimpse of what it's like to be a rational, intelligent and happy person. You'd love it, but I'm not sure you could cope.

We're at step 4 now and I don't want to feed your self destructive ego any more, so consider this the end of discussion, Sean. I will allow you the last word. Call me a moron, or a stupid head or something. I also accept, dumbass, ignoramus, shithead, fuckwit, retard and spaz.

Much love.

[paulside]

So, is the moon really an alien Spaceship? :o let's look at some facts:

After hundreds of years of detailed observation and study, our closest companion in the vast universe, Earth’s moon, remains an enigma. Six moon landings and hundreds of experiments have resulted in more questions being asked than answered. Among them:

1. Moon’s Age: The moon is far older than previously expected. Maybe even older than the Earth or the Sun. The oldest age for the Earth is estimated to be 4.6 billion years old; moon rocks were dated at 5.3 billion years old, and the dust upon which they were resting was at least another billion years older.

2. Rock’s Origin: The chemical composition of the dust upon which the rocks sat differed remarkably from the rocks themselves, contrary to accepted theories that the dust resulted from weathering and breakup of the rocks themselves. The rocks had to have come from somewhere else.

3. Heavier Elements on Surface: Normal planetary composition results in heavier elements in the core and lighter materials at the surface; not so with the moon. According to Wilson, "The abundance of refractory elements like titanium in the surface areas is so pronounced that several geologists proposed the refractory compounds were brought to the moon’s surface in great quantity in some unknown way. They don’t know how, but that it was done cannot be questioned." (Emphasis added).

4. Water Vapor: On March 7, 1971, lunar instruments placed by the astronauts recorded a vapor cloud of water passing across the surface of the moon. The cloud lasted 14 hours and covered an area of about 100 square miles.

5. Magnetic Rocks: Moon rocks were magnetized. This is odd because there is no magnetic field on the moon itself. This could not have originated from a "close call" with Earth—such an encounter would have ripped the moon apart.

6. No Volcanoes: Some of the moon’s craters originated internally, yet there is no indication that the moon was ever hot enough to produce volcanic eruptions.

7. Moon Mascons: Mascons, which are large, dense, circular masses lying twenty to forty miles beneath the centers of the moon’s maria, "are broad, disk-shaped objects that could be possibly some kind of artificial construction. For huge circular disks are not likely to be beneath each huge maria, centered like bull’s-eyes in the middle of each, by coincidence or accident." (Emphasis added).

8. Seismic Activity: Hundreds of "moonquakes" are recorded each year that cannot be attributed to meteor strikes. In November, 1958, Soviet astronomer Nikolay A. Kozyrev of the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory photographed a gaseous eruption of the moon near the crater Alphonsus. He also detected a reddish glow that lasted for about an hour. In 1963, astronomers at the Lowell Observatory also saw reddish glows on the crests of ridges in the Aristarchus region. These observations have proved to be precisely identical and periodical, repeating themselves as the moon moves closer to the Earth. These are probably not natural phenomena.

9. Hollow Moon: The moon’s mean density is 3.34 gm/cm3 (3.34 times an equal volume of water) whereas the Earth’s is 5.5. What does this mean? In 1962, NASA scientist Dr. Gordon MacDonald stated, "If the astronomical data are reduced, it is found that the data require that the interior of the moon is more like a hollow than a homogeneous sphere." Nobel chemist Dr. Harold Urey suggested the moon’s reduced density is because of large areas inside the moon where is "simply a cavity." MIT’s Dr. Sean C. Solomon wrote, "the Lunar Orbiter experiments vastly improved our knowledge of the moon’s gravitational field . . . indicating the frightening possibility that the moon might be hollow." In Carl Sagan’s treatise, Intelligent Life in the Universe, the famous astronomer stated, "A natural satellite cannot be a hollow object."

10. Moon Echoes: On November 20, 1969, the Apollo 12 crew jettisoned the lunar module ascent stage causing it to crash onto the moon. The LM’s impact (about 40 miles from the Apollo 12 landing site) created an artificial moonquake with startling characteristics—the moon reverberated like a bell for more than an hour. This phenomenon was repeated with Apollo 13 (intentionally commanding the third stage to impact the moon), with even more startling results. Seismic instruments recorded that the reverberations lasted for three hours and twenty minutes and traveled to a depth of twenty-five miles, leading to the conclusion that the moon has an unusually light—or even no—core.

11. Unusual Metals: The moon’s crust is much harder than presumed. Remember the extreme difficulty the astronauts encountered when they tried to drill into the maria? Surprise! The maria is composed primarily of illeminite, a mineral containing large amounts of titanium, the same metal used to fabricate the hulls of deep-diving submarines and the skin of the SR-71 "Blackbird". Uranium 236 and neptunium 237 (elements not found in nature on Earth) were discovered in lunar rocks, as were rustproof iron particles.

12. Moon’s Origin: Before the astronauts’ moon rocks conclusively disproved the theory, the moon was believed to have originated when a chunk of Earth broke off eons ago (who knows from where?). Another theory was that the moon was created from leftover "space dust" remaining after the Earth was created. Analysis of the composition of moon rocks disproved this theory also. Another popular theory is that the moon was somehow "captured" by the Earth’s gravitational attraction. But no evidence exists to support this theory. Isaac Asimov, stated, "It’s too big to have been captured by the Earth. The chances of such a capture having been effected and the moon then having taken up nearly circular orbit around our Earth are too small to make such an eventuality credible."


13. Weird Orbit: Our moon is the only moon in the solar system that has a stationary, near-perfect circular orbit. Stranger still, the moon’s center of mass is about 6000 feet closer to the Earth than its geometric center (which should cause wobbling), but the moon’s bulge is on the far side of the moon, away from the Earth. "Something" had to put the moon in orbit with its precise altitude, course, and speed.

14. Moon Diameter: How does one explain the "coincidence" that the moon is just the right distance, coupled with just the right diameter, to completely cover the sun during an eclipse? Again, Isaac Asimov responds, "There is no astronomical reason why the moon and the sun should fit so well. It is the sheerest of coincidences, and only the Earth among all the planets is blessed in this fashion."

15. All the craters of the moon have a maximum depth of between 2 to 2.5 miles irrespective of their diameter, some of the larger craters have convexed floors, which means if you stood inside at the center of the crater. the crater rim would be below the horizon, Could there be an outer shell that limits the depth of the impacts?


16. For hundreds of years Astronomers have reported strange lights observed of the surface of the moon, these have been called TLP's (Transient Lunar Phenomena) they are still seen to this day and even now cannot be explained,


17. Spaceship Moon: As outrageous as the Moon-Is-a-Spaceship Theory is, all of the above items are resolved if one assumes that the moon is a gigantic extraterrestrial craft, brought here eons ago by intelligent beings. This is the only theory that supports all the known data, and there are no data that contradict this theory.

Also, if you read:

Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon by Don Wilson 1974

Secrets Of Our Spaceship Moon by Don Wilson 1979

Who Built The Moon? by Christopher Knight & Alan Butler 2005


You may not be so dismissive :rolleyes:

So yes, I'm going to read the new book with an open and inquisitive mind and leave the skeptics to do what they will always do

[seanx]

tzupidity wrote:

Sean, I would rather put my penis into a blender than attempt to debate with you. I was just letting you know why I didn't reply. I thought it would have been rude to not have.

And here you are rewarding that with yet more abuse and "I'm right and you're wrong and I don't need to say why aslong as I insult you and call you stupid, neeeeeer." I sincerely hope that you are young enough for this to be a phase that you'll grow out of.


Quote:
Originally Posted by seanx
That's why your posts are full of slander, hate and endless dribble.

You mean like accusing people of being satanist pedophiles with no evidence knowing that they won't sue you because the general population have been conditioned to see that as evidence of guilt? Oh hang on, I got myself confused with the other David Icke then. Silly me.


Quote:
Originally Posted by seanx
As for the moon, unlike dummies like you, I haven't come to ANY CONCLUSION because I have not yet had the chance to read icke's book and see what his argument is.

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but human kind has known about the moon for quite a long time now. Some humans have dedicated their lives to discovering the secrets and properties of the moon and other planetary bodies. We even make up special names from them like, Astronomer or Planetary Physicist. Some of them even get together and invent this stuff called Technology that allows us to get even greater knowledge. You may have heard of such things as Radio Telescopes and Satellites?

Ofcourse, if you want us to ignore all the knowledge that mankind has managed to get together and throw it out because the spirit beings have channelled some greater truth to Ickey and he's then gone off and quoted pretty much all of Stewart Swerdlow's and Sitchin's work like it's his own original thinking, because it seems to support what the none human entity said, then that's your choice. I humbly celebrate your right to be so ignorant.


Quote:
Originally Posted by seanx
However...it seems that doesn't affect morons like you who can
make judgments without seeing any of the arguments.

Your whole argument methodology goes like this...

1. I disagree with what the person just said.

2. I have no valid points to put accross so I will insult the person repeatedly as I believe in the power of, "I'm right because you're a stupid head." If I call them names often enough then people will believe in them and they will think I'm right even though I haven't actually said anything of value other than, 'You're a stupid head."

3. Attempt humour to disguise passive aggression and reality that I hate my life, know I'm a dumbass but by god I don't have the confidence to educate myself and improve.

4. Repeat from step 2 until person gives up.


Quote:
Originally Posted by seanx
if I was you, I'd take another week off.

If you were me you'd get a glimpse of what it's like to be a rational, intelligent and happy person. You'd love it, but I'm not sure you could cope.

We're at step 4 now and I don't want to feed your self destructive ego any more, so consider this the end of discussion, Sean. I will allow you the last word. Call me a moron, or a stupid head or something. I also accept, dumbass, ignoramus, shithead, fuckwit, retard and spaz.

Much love.

More unending dribble.

The point is simple:I haven't come to ANY CONCLUSION about this
moon business because I have not yet had the chance to
read icke's book and see what his argument is.

You haven't read it either - yet ALREADY you have dismissed it
as bullshit.

That surely tell us all we need to know about your mindset

Need we say anything more.

I see you're on another warning. Look's like you're going to have
another week's holiday!

[21_12_2012]

PAULSIDE

Very interesting post, thanks for the info.

[ozpixie]

So, is the moon really an alien Spaceship? :o let's look at some facts:

After hundreds of years of detailed observation and study, our closest companion in the vast universe, Earth’s moon, remains an enigma. Six moon landings and hundreds of experiments have resulted in more questions being asked than answered. Among them:

1. Moon’s Age: The moon is far older than previously expected. Maybe even older than the Earth or the Sun. The oldest age for the Earth is estimated to be 4.6 billion years old; moon rocks were dated at 5.3 billion years old, and the dust upon which they were resting was at least another billion years older.

2. Rock’s Origin: The chemical composition of the dust upon which the rocks sat differed remarkably from the rocks themselves, contrary to accepted theories that the dust resulted from weathering and breakup of the rocks themselves. The rocks had to have come from somewhere else.

3. Heavier Elements on Surface: Normal planetary composition results in heavier elements in the core and lighter materials at the surface; not so with the moon. According to Wilson, "The abundance of refractory elements like titanium in the surface areas is so pronounced that several geologists proposed the refractory compounds were brought to the moon’s surface in great quantity in some unknown way. They don’t know how, but that it was done cannot be questioned." (Emphasis added).

4. Water Vapor: On March 7, 1971, lunar instruments placed by the astronauts recorded a vapor cloud of water passing across the surface of the moon. The cloud lasted 14 hours and covered an area of about 100 square miles.

5. Magnetic Rocks: Moon rocks were magnetized. This is odd because there is no magnetic field on the moon itself. This could not have originated from a "close call" with Earth—such an encounter would have ripped the moon apart.

6. No Volcanoes: Some of the moon’s craters originated internally, yet there is no indication that the moon was ever hot enough to produce volcanic eruptions.

7. Moon Mascons: Mascons, which are large, dense, circular masses lying twenty to forty miles beneath the centers of the moon’s maria, "are broad, disk-shaped objects that could be possibly some kind of artificial construction. For huge circular disks are not likely to be beneath each huge maria, centered like bull’s-eyes in the middle of each, by coincidence or accident." (Emphasis added).

8. Seismic Activity: Hundreds of "moonquakes" are recorded each year that cannot be attributed to meteor strikes. In November, 1958, Soviet astronomer Nikolay A. Kozyrev of the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory photographed a gaseous eruption of the moon near the crater Alphonsus. He also detected a reddish glow that lasted for about an hour. In 1963, astronomers at the Lowell Observatory also saw reddish glows on the crests of ridges in the Aristarchus region. These observations have proved to be precisely identical and periodical, repeating themselves as the moon moves closer to the Earth. These are probably not natural phenomena.

9. Hollow Moon: The moon’s mean density is 3.34 gm/cm3 (3.34 times an equal volume of water) whereas the Earth’s is 5.5. What does this mean? In 1962, NASA scientist Dr. Gordon MacDonald stated, "If the astronomical data are reduced, it is found that the data require that the interior of the moon is more like a hollow than a homogeneous sphere." Nobel chemist Dr. Harold Urey suggested the moon’s reduced density is because of large areas inside the moon where is "simply a cavity." MIT’s Dr. Sean C. Solomon wrote, "the Lunar Orbiter experiments vastly improved our knowledge of the moon’s gravitational field . . . indicating the frightening possibility that the moon might be hollow." In Carl Sagan’s treatise, Intelligent Life in the Universe, the famous astronomer stated, "A natural satellite cannot be a hollow object."

10. Moon Echoes: On November 20, 1969, the Apollo 12 crew jettisoned the lunar module ascent stage causing it to crash onto the moon. The LM’s impact (about 40 miles from the Apollo 12 landing site) created an artificial moonquake with startling characteristics—the moon reverberated like a bell for more than an hour. This phenomenon was repeated with Apollo 13 (intentionally commanding the third stage to impact the moon), with even more startling results. Seismic instruments recorded that the reverberations lasted for three hours and twenty minutes and traveled to a depth of twenty-five miles, leading to the conclusion that the moon has an unusually light—or even no—core.

11. Unusual Metals: The moon’s crust is much harder than presumed. Remember the extreme difficulty the astronauts encountered when they tried to drill into the maria? Surprise! The maria is composed primarily of illeminite, a mineral containing large amounts of titanium, the same metal used to fabricate the hulls of deep-diving submarines and the skin of the SR-71 "Blackbird". Uranium 236 and neptunium 237 (elements not found in nature on Earth) were discovered in lunar rocks, as were rustproof iron particles.

12. Moon’s Origin: Before the astronauts’ moon rocks conclusively disproved the theory, the moon was believed to have originated when a chunk of Earth broke off eons ago (who knows from where?). Another theory was that the moon was created from leftover "space dust" remaining after the Earth was created. Analysis of the composition of moon rocks disproved this theory also. Another popular theory is that the moon was somehow "captured" by the Earth’s gravitational attraction. But no evidence exists to support this theory. Isaac Asimov, stated, "It’s too big to have been captured by the Earth. The chances of such a capture having been effected and the moon then having taken up nearly circular orbit around our Earth are too small to make such an eventuality credible."


13. Weird Orbit: Our moon is the only moon in the solar system that has a stationary, near-perfect circular orbit. Stranger still, the moon’s center of mass is about 6000 feet closer to the Earth than its geometric center (which should cause wobbling), but the moon’s bulge is on the far side of the moon, away from the Earth. "Something" had to put the moon in orbit with its precise altitude, course, and speed.

14. Moon Diameter: How does one explain the "coincidence" that the moon is just the right distance, coupled with just the right diameter, to completely cover the sun during an eclipse? Again, Isaac Asimov responds, "There is no astronomical reason why the moon and the sun should fit so well. It is the sheerest of coincidences, and only the Earth among all the planets is blessed in this fashion."

15. All the craters of the moon have a maximum depth of between 2 to 2.5 miles irrespective of their diameter, some of the larger craters have convexed floors, which means if you stood inside at the center of the crater. the crater rim would be below the horizon, Could there be an outer shell that limits the depth of the impacts?


16. For hundreds of years Astronomers have reported strange lights observed of the surface of the moon, these have been called TLP's (Transient Lunar Phenomena) they are still seen to this day and even now cannot be explained,


17. Spaceship Moon: As outrageous as the Moon-Is-a-Spaceship Theory is, all of the above items are resolved if one assumes that the moon is a gigantic extraterrestrial craft, brought here eons ago by intelligent beings. This is the only theory that supports all the known data, and there are no data that contradict this theory.

Also, if you read:

Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon by Don Wilson 1974

Secrets Of Our Spaceship Moon by Don Wilson 1979

Who Built The Moon? by Christopher Knight & Alan Butler 2005


You may not be so dismissive :rolleyes:

So yes, I'm going to read the new book with an open and inquisitive mind and leave the skeptics to do what they will always do

Well said and regarding point #4 let's not forget that last year NASA launched their missile into the moon to 'see if there was any water'.

This all definitely needs further investigation.

[pound]

You and your assumptions. The PTB of the DIF decided that some of my posts weren't in line with the posting guidelines of the DIF and several 'infractions' occured resulting in my inability to comment further on your ignorance and how much it amuses me.

This thread is full of rational people putting accross rational propositions. They are met by FANATICS like you who are quite happy to accept bizzare theories about the moon or reptiles with NO evidence whatsoever, but can't, even for discussions sake, consider the fact that their guru could be wrong.

Simple facts are presented to you and you evade them and resort to name calling. When asked for evidence you guys come back with "Uhh uhhh, look on google, uhhhh."

I've said it before and I'll say it once more; all of you reading this are witnessing the start of a new kind of religion. Prepare yourselves for more Fundamentalists, more hate, more violence and more misery. What's worse with these people is that they don't need a god anymore. They believe they are god and as such they can't possibly be wrong. Be afraid people, be very afraid.

Why don't you just leave if the whole experience is that unpleasant for you? No one is forcing you to stay here :)

[largejack]

Is it true that the moon rings when it is struck?

[erthiz]

So, is the moon really an alien Spaceship? :o let's look at some facts:

After hundreds of years of detailed observation and study, our closest companion in the vast universe, Earth’s moon, remains an enigma. Six moon landings and hundreds of experiments have resulted in more questions being asked than answered. Among them:

1. Moon’s Age: The moon is far older than previously expected. Maybe even older than the Earth or the Sun. The oldest age for the Earth is estimated to be 4.6 billion years old; moon rocks were dated at 5.3 billion years old, and the dust upon which they were resting was at least another billion years older.

2. Rock’s Origin: The chemical composition of the dust upon which the rocks sat differed remarkably from the rocks themselves, contrary to accepted theories that the dust resulted from weathering and breakup of the rocks themselves. The rocks had to have come from somewhere else.

3. Heavier Elements on Surface: Normal planetary composition results in heavier elements in the core and lighter materials at the surface; not so with the moon. According to Wilson, "The abundance of refractory elements like titanium in the surface areas is so pronounced that several geologists proposed the refractory compounds were brought to the moon’s surface in great quantity in some unknown way. They don’t know how, but that it was done cannot be questioned." (Emphasis added).

4. Water Vapor: On March 7, 1971, lunar instruments placed by the astronauts recorded a vapor cloud of water passing across the surface of the moon. The cloud lasted 14 hours and covered an area of about 100 square miles.

5. Magnetic Rocks: Moon rocks were magnetized. This is odd because there is no magnetic field on the moon itself. This could not have originated from a "close call" with Earth—such an encounter would have ripped the moon apart.

6. No Volcanoes: Some of the moon’s craters originated internally, yet there is no indication that the moon was ever hot enough to produce volcanic eruptions.

7. Moon Mascons: Mascons, which are large, dense, circular masses lying twenty to forty miles beneath the centers of the moon’s maria, "are broad, disk-shaped objects that could be possibly some kind of artificial construction. For huge circular disks are not likely to be beneath each huge maria, centered like bull’s-eyes in the middle of each, by coincidence or accident." (Emphasis added).

8. Seismic Activity: Hundreds of "moonquakes" are recorded each year that cannot be attributed to meteor strikes. In November, 1958, Soviet astronomer Nikolay A. Kozyrev of the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory photographed a gaseous eruption of the moon near the crater Alphonsus. He also detected a reddish glow that lasted for about an hour. In 1963, astronomers at the Lowell Observatory also saw reddish glows on the crests of ridges in the Aristarchus region. These observations have proved to be precisely identical and periodical, repeating themselves as the moon moves closer to the Earth. These are probably not natural phenomena.

9. Hollow Moon: The moon’s mean density is 3.34 gm/cm3 (3.34 times an equal volume of water) whereas the Earth’s is 5.5. What does this mean? In 1962, NASA scientist Dr. Gordon MacDonald stated, "If the astronomical data are reduced, it is found that the data require that the interior of the moon is more like a hollow than a homogeneous sphere." Nobel chemist Dr. Harold Urey suggested the moon’s reduced density is because of large areas inside the moon where is "simply a cavity." MIT’s Dr. Sean C. Solomon wrote, "the Lunar Orbiter experiments vastly improved our knowledge of the moon’s gravitational field . . . indicating the frightening possibility that the moon might be hollow." In Carl Sagan’s treatise, Intelligent Life in the Universe, the famous astronomer stated, "A natural satellite cannot be a hollow object."

10. Moon Echoes: On November 20, 1969, the Apollo 12 crew jettisoned the lunar module ascent stage causing it to crash onto the moon. The LM’s impact (about 40 miles from the Apollo 12 landing site) created an artificial moonquake with startling characteristics—the moon reverberated like a bell for more than an hour. This phenomenon was repeated with Apollo 13 (intentionally commanding the third stage to impact the moon), with even more startling results. Seismic instruments recorded that the reverberations lasted for three hours and twenty minutes and traveled to a depth of twenty-five miles, leading to the conclusion that the moon has an unusually light—or even no—core.

11. Unusual Metals: The moon’s crust is much harder than presumed. Remember the extreme difficulty the astronauts encountered when they tried to drill into the maria? Surprise! The maria is composed primarily of illeminite, a mineral containing large amounts of titanium, the same metal used to fabricate the hulls of deep-diving submarines and the skin of the SR-71 "Blackbird". Uranium 236 and neptunium 237 (elements not found in nature on Earth) were discovered in lunar rocks, as were rustproof iron particles.

12. Moon’s Origin: Before the astronauts’ moon rocks conclusively disproved the theory, the moon was believed to have originated when a chunk of Earth broke off eons ago (who knows from where?). Another theory was that the moon was created from leftover "space dust" remaining after the Earth was created. Analysis of the composition of moon rocks disproved this theory also. Another popular theory is that the moon was somehow "captured" by the Earth’s gravitational attraction. But no evidence exists to support this theory. Isaac Asimov, stated, "It’s too big to have been captured by the Earth. The chances of such a capture having been effected and the moon then having taken up nearly circular orbit around our Earth are too small to make such an eventuality credible."


13. Weird Orbit: Our moon is the only moon in the solar system that has a stationary, near-perfect circular orbit. Stranger still, the moon’s center of mass is about 6000 feet closer to the Earth than its geometric center (which should cause wobbling), but the moon’s bulge is on the far side of the moon, away from the Earth. "Something" had to put the moon in orbit with its precise altitude, course, and speed.

14. Moon Diameter: How does one explain the "coincidence" that the moon is just the right distance, coupled with just the right diameter, to completely cover the sun during an eclipse? Again, Isaac Asimov responds, "There is no astronomical reason why the moon and the sun should fit so well. It is the sheerest of coincidences, and only the Earth among all the planets is blessed in this fashion."

15. All the craters of the moon have a maximum depth of between 2 to 2.5 miles irrespective of their diameter, some of the larger craters have convexed floors, which means if you stood inside at the center of the crater. the crater rim would be below the horizon, Could there be an outer shell that limits the depth of the impacts?


16. For hundreds of years Astronomers have reported strange lights observed of the surface of the moon, these have been called TLP's (Transient Lunar Phenomena) they are still seen to this day and even now cannot be explained,


17. Spaceship Moon: As outrageous as the Moon-Is-a-Spaceship Theory is, all of the above items are resolved if one assumes that the moon is a gigantic extraterrestrial craft, brought here eons ago by intelligent beings. This is the only theory that supports all the known data, and there are no data that contradict this theory.

Also, if you read:

Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon by Don Wilson 1974

Secrets Of Our Spaceship Moon by Don Wilson 1979

Who Built The Moon? by Christopher Knight & Alan Butler 2005


You may not be so dismissive :rolleyes:

So yes, I'm going to read the new book with an open and inquisitive mind and leave the skeptics to do what they will always do


Finally! an informative post worth posting, well said man.

[hadabusa]

So, is the moon really an alien Spaceship? :o let's look at some facts:

After hundreds of years of detailed observation and study, our closest companion in the vast universe, Earth?s moon, remains an enigma. Six moon landings and hundreds of experiments have resulted in more questions being asked than answered. Among them:

1. Moon?s Age: The moon is far older than previously expected. Maybe even older than the Earth or the Sun. The oldest age for the Earth is estimated to be 4.6 billion years old; moon rocks were dated at 5.3 billion years old, and the dust upon which they were resting was at least another billion years older.

2. Rock?s Origin: The chemical composition of the dust upon which the rocks sat differed remarkably from the rocks themselves, contrary to accepted theories that the dust resulted from weathering and breakup of the rocks themselves. The rocks had to have come from somewhere else.

3. Heavier Elements on Surface: Normal planetary composition results in heavier elements in the core and lighter materials at the surface; not so with the moon. According to Wilson, "The abundance of refractory elements like titanium in the surface areas is so pronounced that several geologists proposed the refractory compounds were brought to the moon?s surface in great quantity in some unknown way. They don?t know how, but that it was done cannot be questioned." (Emphasis added).

4. Water Vapor: On March 7, 1971, lunar instruments placed by the astronauts recorded a vapor cloud of water passing across the surface of the moon. The cloud lasted 14 hours and covered an area of about 100 square miles.

5. Magnetic Rocks: Moon rocks were magnetized. This is odd because there is no magnetic field on the moon itself. This could not have originated from a "close call" with Earth?such an encounter would have ripped the moon apart.

6. No Volcanoes: Some of the moon?s craters originated internally, yet there is no indication that the moon was ever hot enough to produce volcanic eruptions.

7. Moon Mascons: Mascons, which are large, dense, circular masses lying twenty to forty miles beneath the centers of the moon?s maria, "are broad, disk-shaped objects that could be possibly some kind of artificial construction. For huge circular disks are not likely to be beneath each huge maria, centered like bull?s-eyes in the middle of each, by coincidence or accident." (Emphasis added).

8. Seismic Activity: Hundreds of "moonquakes" are recorded each year that cannot be attributed to meteor strikes. In November, 1958, Soviet astronomer Nikolay A. Kozyrev of the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory photographed a gaseous eruption of the moon near the crater Alphonsus. He also detected a reddish glow that lasted for about an hour. In 1963, astronomers at the Lowell Observatory also saw reddish glows on the crests of ridges in the Aristarchus region. These observations have proved to be precisely identical and periodical, repeating themselves as the moon moves closer to the Earth. These are probably not natural phenomena.

9. Hollow Moon: The moon?s mean density is 3.34 gm/cm3 (3.34 times an equal volume of water) whereas the Earth?s is 5.5. What does this mean? In 1962, NASA scientist Dr. Gordon MacDonald stated, "If the astronomical data are reduced, it is found that the data require that the interior of the moon is more like a hollow than a homogeneous sphere." Nobel chemist Dr. Harold Urey suggested the moon?s reduced density is because of large areas inside the moon where is "simply a cavity." MIT?s Dr. Sean C. Solomon wrote, "the Lunar Orbiter experiments vastly improved our knowledge of the moon?s gravitational field . . . indicating the frightening possibility that the moon might be hollow." In Carl Sagan?s treatise, Intelligent Life in the Universe, the famous astronomer stated, "A natural satellite cannot be a hollow object."

10. Moon Echoes: On November 20, 1969, the Apollo 12 crew jettisoned the lunar module ascent stage causing it to crash onto the moon. The LM?s impact (about 40 miles from the Apollo 12 landing site) created an artificial moonquake with startling characteristics?the moon reverberated like a bell for more than an hour. This phenomenon was repeated with Apollo 13 (intentionally commanding the third stage to impact the moon), with even more startling results. Seismic instruments recorded that the reverberations lasted for three hours and twenty minutes and traveled to a depth of twenty-five miles, leading to the conclusion that the moon has an unusually light?or even no?core.

11. Unusual Metals: The moon?s crust is much harder than presumed. Remember the extreme difficulty the astronauts encountered when they tried to drill into the maria? Surprise! The maria is composed primarily of illeminite, a mineral containing large amounts of titanium, the same metal used to fabricate the hulls of deep-diving submarines and the skin of the SR-71 "Blackbird". Uranium 236 and neptunium 237 (elements not found in nature on Earth) were discovered in lunar rocks, as were rustproof iron particles.

12. Moon?s Origin: Before the astronauts? moon rocks conclusively disproved the theory, the moon was believed to have originated when a chunk of Earth broke off eons ago (who knows from where?). Another theory was that the moon was created from leftover "space dust" remaining after the Earth was created. Analysis of the composition of moon rocks disproved this theory also. Another popular theory is that the moon was somehow "captured" by the Earth?s gravitational attraction. But no evidence exists to support this theory. Isaac Asimov, stated, "It?s too big to have been captured by the Earth. The chances of such a capture having been effected and the moon then having taken up nearly circular orbit around our Earth are too small to make such an eventuality credible."


13. Weird Orbit: Our moon is the only moon in the solar system that has a stationary, near-perfect circular orbit. Stranger still, the moon?s center of mass is about 6000 feet closer to the Earth than its geometric center (which should cause wobbling), but the moon?s bulge is on the far side of the moon, away from the Earth. "Something" had to put the moon in orbit with its precise altitude, course, and speed.

14. Moon Diameter: How does one explain the "coincidence" that the moon is just the right distance, coupled with just the right diameter, to completely cover the sun during an eclipse? Again, Isaac Asimov responds, "There is no astronomical reason why the moon and the sun should fit so well. It is the sheerest of coincidences, and only the Earth among all the planets is blessed in this fashion."

15. All the craters of the moon have a maximum depth of between 2 to 2.5 miles irrespective of their diameter, some of the larger craters have convexed floors, which means if you stood inside at the center of the crater. the crater rim would be below the horizon, Could there be an outer shell that limits the depth of the impacts?


16. For hundreds of years Astronomers have reported strange lights observed of the surface of the moon, these have been called TLP's (Transient Lunar Phenomena) they are still seen to this day and even now cannot be explained,


17. Spaceship Moon: As outrageous as the Moon-Is-a-Spaceship Theory is, all of the above items are resolved if one assumes that the moon is a gigantic extraterrestrial craft, brought here eons ago by intelligent beings. This is the only theory that supports all the known data, and there are no data that contradict this theory.

Also, if you read:

Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon by Don Wilson 1974

Secrets Of Our Spaceship Moon by Don Wilson 1979

Who Built The Moon? by Christopher Knight & Alan Butler 2005


You may not be so dismissive :rolleyes:

So yes, I'm going to read the new book with an open and inquisitive mind and leave the skeptics to do what they will always do

ok, and now will you list your sources please, bc you forgot about that so far.


so, when a nobelprize winner said 60years ago, that the moon MIGHT be porous like swiss cheese, ir becomes an alien base in your mind??

[erthiz]

ok, and now will you list your sources please, bc you forgot about that so far.


so, when a nobelprize winner said 60years ago, that the moon MIGHT be porous like swiss cheese, ir becomes an alien base in your mind??

How do you know what he thinks?

He said hell read the new book with an open mind.

[hadabusa]

How do you know what he thinks?

He said hell read the new book with an open mind.

well, his points reek off "just look at the proper places, icke might be right"

and then he goes on and dont list sources.

see,id look into it, but wo sources , what else then pr is his post?

why else pointout moon is hollow(already raped outta original source context),in this discussion?

this is EXACTLY how fairytales/legends are made/passed over.

[erthiz]

well, his points reek off "just look at the proper places, icke might be right"

and then he goes on and dont list sources.

see,id look into it, but wo sources , what else then pr is his post?

why else pointout moon is hollow(already raped outta original source context),in this discussion?

this is EXACTLY how fairytales/legends are made/passed over.

Yeah ok there are no sources, but he can probably provide these when he comes online next.

Hes just listing facts as too why someone might suggest the moon is hollow.

I dont know what i think on this subject yet but its nice to see someone posting something positive, to try and have an adult debate, rather than people saying "The moons a spaceship? Reptilians? errr bollocks not possible"... im not talking about you but other peoples posts :)

Peace

[paulside]

ok, and now will you list your sources please, bc you forgot about that so far.


so, when a nobelprize winner said 60years ago, that the moon MIGHT be porous like swiss cheese, ir becomes an alien base in your mind??


hadadusa,

After growing up during the Apollo missions and watching them all unfold live on tv, followed by 35 years+ avid interest in Astronomy with countless hours looking at the moon through my own Telescope and seeing a lot of those TLP's and other weird things out there, I just thought it would be of interest to list some of the unusual facts about the Moon and the books to read should anyone want to know more,

Obviously you have immediately gone into 'Troll' mode and haven't taken in anything I posted, so please try to subdue your impulse to Troll (I know it must be hard for you but you'll be surprised what you may learn) read my post again :rolleyes:

Oh and don't presume to know my mind

[paulside]

Come on hadabusa, Troll something or are you all trolled out :D

[boy better know]

So all this time the moon was a giant spaceship?

I might have known.

[hadabusa]

hadadusa,

After growing up during the Apollo missions and watching them all unfold live on tv, followed by 35 years+ avid interest in Astronomy with countless hours looking at the moon through my own Telescope and seeing a lot of those TLP's and other weird things out there, I just thought it would be of interest to list some of the unusual facts about the Moon and the books to read should anyone want to know more,

Obviously you have immediately gone into 'Troll' mode and haven't taken in anything I posted, so please try to subdue your impulse to Troll (I know it must be hard for you but you'll be surprised what you may learn) read my post again :rolleyes:

Oh and don't presume to know my mind

btw,im not totally convinced about appollo.

i found your points interesting,man, i just asked for sources, you know, to read more about it(and call bs "if" i see some)
:D

cmon, you cant possibly except ppl to read those points and say"wow,true".

i find them good, and i see youre not a brainwashed moron who just takes whatever icke says for gold.

as4troll calling, its unnecesary and stupid, bc frankly, to me, whoever believes moon=spaceship upfront, b4reading the book,is the troll.


sometimes, i feel like im in lalaland here, irl ive yet2meet one person who wouldnt laugh it of, and ive met batcrap insane folks, i assure you:)

[erthiz]

as4troll calling, its unnecesary and stupid, bc frankly, to me, whoever believes moon=spaceship upfront, b4reading the book,is the troll.


You could say the same about those who are instantly dismissing it aswell :)

[rebirth]

Help us David Icke, you're our only hope.

http://nirahlee.com/iswwr/evidence/DeathStar1.jpg

[muscltory]

This is just total insanity he is peddling now, it was bad enough that he was going with the world is run by giant lizards nonsense but know he is peddling a theory which is ridiculous to anyone who has a basic understanding of physics.

If the moon was a giant spaceship which as hollow, it wouldn't have the mass to have the tidal effects it has on the oceans.

It has become clear to me that David is obviously working to discredit the truth movement with this insanity. Because from looking at all of his work and success its clear to see he isn't stupid.

I could overlook the reptilian stuff, but this is just too far. He has totally lost it.

I certainly won't be coming back to his website as often in the future, and to be honest after the lack of a depression which everyone was screaming about and the whole swine flu debacle where alex jones had some guy on his radio show suggesting it was the end of the world i am starting to wonder if i have bought into one more big lie.


I love to hear other people's opinions. I listen to many different views and respect the beliefs that people have. To me, it is egoic to dismiss someone's belief. When you come from the perspective saying "I will decide what is right and what is wrong" you are closing off many truths and limiting information coming to you.
Just because you say something, doesn't mean I have to believe it. Many, many scientists have your attitude, "It doesn't exist, unless I have found it!"
Also, you should consider yourself lucky you don't see reptilians.

[hadabusa]

I love to hear other people's opinions. I listen to many different views and respect the beliefs that people have. To me, it is egoic to dismiss someone's belief. When you come from the perspective saying "I will decide what is right and what is wrong" you are closing off many truths and limiting information coming to you.
Just because you say something, doesn't mean I have to believe it. Many, many scientists have your attitude, "It doesn't exist, unless I have found it!"
Also, you should consider yourself lucky you don't see reptilians.

no, sorry, but thats NOT how scientists argue.

u really think theyre THAT dumb?

[hadabusa]

Help us David Icke, you're our only hope.

http://nirahlee.com/iswwr/evidence/DeathStar1.jpg

show us the strippers/hookers.

3tits?

[pound]

no, sorry, but thats NOT how scientists argue.

u really think theyre THAT dumb?

Many scientists subscribe to the doctrine that if it isnt weighable, countable, and or measurable that it must not be 'valid' and or 'exist'. I think that was the gist of what Musictory was trying to point out.

[hadabusa]

Many scientists subscribe to the doctrine that if it isnt weighable, countable, and or measurable that it must not be 'valid' and or 'exist'. I think that was the gist of what Musictory was trying to point out.

but this isnt true at all.

[tootrue]

Help us David Icke, you're our only hope.



He is helping us, help ourselves!

[_tzupidity]

Many scientists subscribe to the doctrine...

...whilst many others don't subscribe to any doctrine and prefer to apply the scientific method correctly, understanding that any theory is temporary and can be replaced by new data at any point.

[zone2012]

I thought this sounds interesting ( hope it didn't get posted already).

http://www.cookpr.com/press/watkins_moon.html

http://pureinsight.org/node/976

Not sure how accurate the data is though.

[_tzupidity]

I thought this sounds interesting ( hope it didn't get posted already).

http://www.cookpr.com/press/watkins_moon.html

http://pureinsight.org/node/976

Not sure how accurate the data is though.

Cook PR. My, they have some interesting clients. Mirimax (aka Adult Disney), World Wildlife Fund (interesting thread about them on here at the moment), a great line in programming for your kids in the guise of "How to survive [insert impressionable stage of life]" from baby's first year all the way up to marriage. No divorce in there though =/ And so many plastic surgeons and lawyers.

Makes you wonder what they'd gain from unveiling the plot about the Moon :confused:

[zone2012]

I wonder if the info there is just made up. I have to check it out as soon as I have time.
I found a good german article about the moon, but I can't find it anymore :o
Oh well...
They talked about the size, and the range of the moon to earth and sun.
Sorry, I don't know that cook person.