View Full Version : Why does Iran want nuclear power?
Anders Lindman
02-10-2007, 09:05 PM
How you ever stopped to wonder why Iran would want nuclear power? For what? It makes no sense you may think for them to have nuclear power because they have oil pouring out of their ears, and so their nuclear program must be for making atom bombs.
Maybe not. Imagine for a moment, that Iran's cheap oil is beginning to become depleted. When the cheap oil is gone there is still about 70% oil left in the reserves BUT that oil is extremely difficult, costly and energy-consuming to pump out. It likely costs more oil in energy to pump out the non-cheap oil than they get out from the reserves. This means that they need some other very powerful source of power like...............nuclear power plants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool:
Have you ever stopped to wonder why Iran would want nuclear power? For what? It makes no sense you may think for them to have nuclear power because they have oil pouring out of their ears, and so their nuclear program must be for making atom bombs.
Maybe not. Imagine for a moment, that Iran's cheap oil is beginning to become depleted. When the cheap oil is gone there is still about 70% oil left in the reserves BUT that oil is extremely difficult, costly and energy-consuming to pump out. It likely costs more oil in energy to pump out the non-cheap oil than they get out from the reserves. This means that they need some other very powerful source of power like...............nuclear power plants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool:
Nuclear power is the cheapest, and cleanest, way of making steam to turn into energy. Then there is the Pu-239.
Just like Brazil, Iran are learning how to play chess.
Brazil and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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chris
02-10-2007, 11:23 PM
I wondered that as well...It might be a case of a two year old testing it's boundaries. Who knows, they may have a secret plan to create a nuke and give it to a terrorist organisation…
I think it was a great move of him to lecture at the university, it makes it so much harder to just outright attack a country who has been quite reasonable to them. Would Truman go on a speaking tour in Japan before pushing the button?
Anders Lindman
02-10-2007, 11:25 PM
Nuclear power is the cheapest, and cleanest, way of making steam to turn into energy.
Steam! They can use the steam almost directly I think to pump up the pressure in the oil reserves and thereby easily extract the non-cheap oil.
whitenight639
02-10-2007, 11:26 PM
How you ever stopped to wonder why Iran would want nuclear power? For what? It makes no sense you may think for them to have nuclear power because they have oil pouring out of their ears, and so their nuclear program must be for making atom bombs.
Maybe not. Imagine for a moment, that Iran's cheap oil is beginning to become depleted. When the cheap oil is gone there is still about 70% oil left in the reserves BUT that oil is extremely difficult, costly and energy-consuming to pump out. It likely costs more oil in energy to pump out the non-cheap oil than they get out from the reserves. This means that they need some other very powerful source of power like...............nuclear power plants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool:
How do you know they have any plans for a nuclear program at all?
remember the news is bullshit, and is there any evidence that iraq had a nuclear program let alone WMD? i dunno and i dont read iranian/ aribic but i wish i knew someone that did!
Anders Lindman
02-10-2007, 11:31 PM
I wondered that as well...It might be a case of a two year old testing it's boundaries. Who knows, they may have a secret plan to create a nuke and give it to a terrorist organisation…
I think it was a great move of him to lecture at the university, it makes it so much harder to just outright attack a country who has been quite reasonable to them. Would Truman go on a speaking tour in Japan before pushing the button?
Iran's leader only cares about oil and business. He's not interested in Israel. He is not interested in developing atom bombs. Anyone with two braincells on active duty can figure that out. His talk about Israel is just a media stunt having to do with the big politics behind the public curtain.
synak
02-10-2007, 11:33 PM
Who knows, they may have a secret plan to create a nuke and give it to a terrorist organisation…
Ah you mean like the US? :p
Anders Lindman
02-10-2007, 11:34 PM
How do you know they have any plans for a nuclear program at all?
remember the news is bullshit, and is there any evidence that iraq had a nuclear program let alone WMD? i dunno and i dont read iranian/ aribic but i wish i knew someone that did!
A very good point. That's really something to look into. Does Iran even have a nuclear program at all? There is some strange politics going on behind the curtain. Much of what is being presented in mainstream media is just wag-the-dog smokescreens it seems. The whole situation doesn't compute.
chris
02-10-2007, 11:38 PM
[CENTER]Nuclear power is the cheapest, and cleanest, way of making steam to turn into energy. Then there is the Pu-239.
I've heard this before, got any links?
chris
02-10-2007, 11:40 PM
Ah you mean like the US? :p
Yes or some zionist like Tim Osmond.
anoninnyc
03-10-2007, 02:15 AM
for so long oil in iran was so cheap. it still is comparatively but it has gone up in price substantially. most of iran is poor, just like in most of the world there is the very rich and the very poor, not much of a middle class. there were recent riots in iran over the rising price of gasoline. the use of oil domestically cuts into potential profits..... so it is not like the iranian people get unlimited cheap oil.
spacegurl
03-10-2007, 10:42 AM
How you ever stopped to wonder why Iran would want nuclear power? For what? It makes no sense you may think for them to have nuclear power because they have oil pouring out of their ears, and so their nuclear program must be for making atom bombs.
Maybe not. Imagine for a moment, that Iran's cheap oil is beginning to become depleted. When the cheap oil is gone there is still about 70% oil left in the reserves BUT that oil is extremely difficult, costly and energy-consuming to pump out. It likely costs more oil in energy to pump out the non-cheap oil than they get out from the reserves. This means that they need some other very powerful source of power like...............nuclear power plants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool:
Nuclear power for energy and reactors. Not nuclear weapons.
What's your problem with Iran?
tinmenace
03-10-2007, 11:52 AM
Well, if Pakistan, India and Israel can have nuclear power, then so should Iran. Iran has signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel has not and have a "policy of opacity regarding its own nuclear weapons program." - Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty)
It's just war games, propaganda and control.
Anders Lindman
03-10-2007, 01:02 PM
Nuclear power for energy and reactors. Not nuclear weapons.
What's your problem with Iran?
Like all leaders, Iran's leader wants profit and power. There's no way that Iran could have anything to gain by developing atom bombs. If no one else had nuclear weapons, then Iran's leader may be tempted to develop nuclear weapons to gain power, but as it is today with Israel, Pakistan, France, U.S., UK, China, Russina and on and on having nuclear weapons, loads and loads of atom bombs, there is really nothing Iran can gain by developing their own nuclear missiles, or atom suitcase bombs or such things. They would only lose a LOT of money. So these statements made by Iran's leader have some other purpose, some behind-the-public-scene politics kind of purpose I would strongly suggest.
spacegurl
03-10-2007, 01:05 PM
Like all leaders, Iran's leader want profit and power. There's no way that Iran could have anything to gain by developing atom bombs. If no one else had nuclear weapons, then Iran's leader may be tempted to develop nuclear weapons to gain power, but as it is today with Israel, Pakistan, France, U.S., UK, China, Russina and on and on having nuclear weapons, loads and loads of atom bombs, there is really nothing Iran can gain by developing their own nuclear missiles, or atom suitcase bombs or such things. They would only lose a LOT of money. So these statements made by Iran's leader have some other purpose, some behind-the-public-scene politics kind of purpose I would strongly suggest.
What did you think of my post saying that Iran is only interested in nuclear power and not nuclear weapons? Why are you personally worried if they do develope bombs? Isreal has them. America has them and they've used them against civilians in the past. Do you love the leaders in the West?
Anders Lindman
03-10-2007, 02:09 PM
What did you think of my post saying that Iran is only interested in nuclear power and not nuclear weapons? Why are you personally worried if they do develope bombs? Isreal has them. America has them and they've used them against civilians in the past. Do you love the leaders in the West?
The leaders play chess and we the people listen to what mainstream media reports and swallow it hook line and sinker. I agree with you that Iran's government is only interested in nuclear power not bombs if even that. The strange thing is that Iran's leader publicly threatens Israel, and that's only because he cooperates with France or some other government (maybe China) as a diversion of some kind.
I've heard this before, got any links?
Heat energy is used to boil water in the core of the reactor. So, instead of burning a fuel, nuclear power plants use the chain reaction of atoms splitting to change the energy of atoms into heat energy. This water from around the nuclear core is sent to another section of the power plant. Here it heats another set of pipes filled with water to make steam. The steam in this second set of pipes powers a turbine to generate electricity.
The Pressurized Water Reactor (PWR)
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The Boiling Water Reactor (BWR)
http://www.solcomhouse.com/bwr.gif
Anders Lindman
03-10-2007, 04:39 PM
The steam in this second set of pipes powers a turbine to generate electricity.
Oil reserves that have lost their natural pressure could easily be 'recharged'/reloaded by using that secondary steam directly to pump up the pressure in depleted oil reserves. The reserves are only depleted of cheap oil which means that the majority of the oil is still there but no longer under natural pressure.
The U.S. government has probably in secret been building nuclear power plants to extract non-cheap oil. :D (I am speculating but who knows :o)
Anders Lindman
03-10-2007, 04:56 PM
May 17, 2007 Nuclear power plants to power Alberta oil sands extraction
"Amid fluctuating natural gas prices, increased public pressure over greenhouse gas emissions, and dwindling conventional oil production, Energy Alberta Corp., in partnership with Atomic Energy Canada Ltd. (AECL) is proposing a C$3 billion, 750 megawatt Candu 6 (Canadian Deuterium Uranium) reactor for completion by 2014. This would produce enough energy to support a 100,000 to 150,000 barrel per day oil sands operation."
From: http://www.u3o8.biz/s/MarketCommentary.asp?ReportID=187290
anoninnyc
03-10-2007, 06:35 PM
Like all leaders, Iran's leader wants profit and power. There's no way that Iran could have anything to gain by developing atom bombs. If no one else had nuclear weapons, then Iran's leader may be tempted to develop nuclear weapons to gain power, but as it is today with Israel, Pakistan, France, U.S., UK, China, Russina and on and on having nuclear weapons, loads and loads of atom bombs, there is really nothing Iran can gain by developing their own nuclear missiles, or atom suitcase bombs or such things. They would only lose a LOT of money. So these statements made by Iran's leader have some other purpose, some behind-the-public-scene politics kind of purpose I would strongly suggest.
Hello Anders. I am Iranian and I think that you have some valid points. I am also American and let me tell you that Bush and Ahmadenijad have some striking similarities- both want to hasten the end of the world for some strange religious fundamentalist reason. This is not conspiracy, this is fact and it is completely loony. While I do think that it is completely unfair that certain countries can have the atomic bomb but not Iran and I also recognize the need for clean energy I am still worried about our crazy leaders. And you are right, all leaders want profit and power, so I too am very wary. Though I do think that for clean energy and for fairness Iran has a right to nuclear power- the weapons are what scare me. They would likely be used to keep the fascist Islamic regime in power (which is not what the masses of Iranians want).
Anders Lindman
03-10-2007, 06:50 PM
Hello Anders. I am Iranian and I think that you have some valid points. I am also American and let me tell you that Bush and Ahmadenijad have some striking similarities- both want to hasten the end of the world for some strange religious fundamentalist reason. This is not conspiracy, this is fact and it is completely loony. While I do think that it is completely unfair that certain countries can have the atomic bomb but not Iran and I also recognize the need for clean energy I am still worried about our crazy leaders. And you are right, all leaders want profit and power, so I too am very wary. Though I do think that for clean energy and for fairness Iran has a right to nuclear power- the weapons are what scare me. They would likely be used to keep the fascist Islamic regime in power (which is not what the masses of Iranians want).
Then you know more about the Iranian culture than me. My strong guess is that Ahmadenijad is not really interested in Israel, but I don't have full knowledge about how he reasons. The bottom line interest among all leaders regardless cultural background is power I believe.
byrdsmaniac
03-10-2007, 07:00 PM
Recently a guest on the Jeff Rense show from the LaRouche organization said that the reason nuclear power
is needed in the Middle East is that there is not enough water available for the number of people living in
the area. Desalinization of sea water is needed, and that takes large quantities of power.
(This is not necessarily my opinion. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, nuclear power should be abandoned.
It is not the clean source of power it is reported to be, and alledgedly works contrary to "orgone"
energy, which is reason enough in itself to abandon the use of it.)
They would likely be used to keep the fascist Islamic regime in power (which is not what the masses of Iranians want).
What an excellent comment, anoninnyc.
My friend had to leave Iran when the Shah was deposed, he lived with my family for three years before moving to the USA where he lives to this day. He went back for the first time since 1979 to visit relatives about five years ago. He cried for 10 minutes before he could recall the experiences of his visit to me.
Though I do think that for clean energy and for fairness Iran has a right to nuclear power- the weapons are what scare me.
Nobody with nuclear weapons has ever been attacked by the USA..
anoninnyc
03-10-2007, 07:55 PM
Nobody with nuclear weapons has ever been attacked by the USA..
you have a point. what i am most scared of is these two nutjobs, bush and ahmadinejad actually wanting to war with each other. anyone familiar with david icke's work would know the reasons behind this.
anoninnyc
03-10-2007, 07:58 PM
My friend had to leave Iran when the Shah was deposed, he lived with my family for three years before moving to the USA where he lives to this day. He went back for the first time since 1979 to visit relatives about five years ago. He cried for 10 minutes before he could recall the experiences of his visit to me.
yes, i feel the same as your friend. it is so sad. so so sad. i was no fan of the shah's regime, but the islamic republic of iran is just so backwards and misogynistic. not at all in line with a land once known for the first charter of human rights (cyrus the great), poetry, philosophy, art, etc.
soglad
03-10-2007, 08:01 PM
what i am most scared of is these two nutjobs, bush and ahmadinejad actually wanting to war with each other.
Let the kids play. You do your own thing away from them. They can't be stopped so it seems....so stop upholding what keeps them going. Boycott society.
:cool:
synergy777
03-10-2007, 08:04 PM
both leaders, usa/iran are onthe same side, all agents. secondly, the nuclear power is needed to provide pwoer, at a low cost to expnading country. they should be allowed with iaea supervision, which they are following. we in england need nuclear power, too.
soglad
03-10-2007, 08:09 PM
Roll on free energy I say.......then let's live in peace! :D
synergy777
03-10-2007, 08:12 PM
tesla tech would sort so much of it out, but theres no money in free energy, lol
soglad
03-10-2007, 08:14 PM
tesla tech would sort so much of it out, but theres no money in free energy, lol
Yes! There's no money in freedom and peace!! It's hilarious, huh? People think the ultimate answer has to be a good business proposal...
Sad really..
:(
synergy777
03-10-2007, 08:15 PM
by creating/promoting artifical scarcity, the elite make money. war is a racket etc.
anoninnyc
04-10-2007, 01:00 AM
by creating/promoting artifical scarcity, the elite make money. war is a racket etc.
yes, very true.....
i also agree with what you say about bush and ahmadenijad being on the same side. they both need an external enemy to stay in power.
somewarez
04-10-2007, 01:18 AM
How come Iran is signed to the Non Nuclear Proliferation treaty yet Israel isnt??
I'll repost the link that Tinmenace posted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty
Now I scroll down to countries signed to the treaty and I will post the countries beginning with the letter I that are signed...
# Iceland
# Indonesia
# Iran
# Iraq
# Ireland
# Italy
Anyone see Israel included in that?
This really does ask questions on why?
And asks even more questions as to why the US are so against Iran having a power source...
So to me the worry is more that someone has these weapons or power and isn't signed up to the treaty than someone who is signed up and just wanting to make some electricity.