A Complete Guide to Pedophilia in Islam

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/pedophilia-in-islam/pedophilia-islam.htm

[willnotbesilenced]

http://www.islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/pedophilia-in-islam/pedophilia-islam.htm









QUESTION : Do you ever post an any other articles that are not anti-islam lol ? Seriously, you must have a reet-olde-bee-in-yer-bonnet-bout-em lol.
:D

What you going to do when you run out of articles.... WHO is next ? :D

Its to be hoped they never move into your neighbourhood - you`d be running a one-person campaign to run em out of town lol. :eek:

I realise that EVERY `religion` earns itself some critism, but surely there`s got to be something good to say about them ?

Go on.... force yourself..... how about their MODESTY ?
You dont see em running round with `everything hanging out` or `being drunk & abusive on a Saturday night`
You dont see their young girls of 12 - 16 getting pregnant before marriage ?
Those things have got to be something in their favour... at least regards `conduct` - `setting a good example` - and `responsible parenting`

wouldn`t you agree.... ? :D


and I think there`s a few other immoral things you wont see them doing...
but we wont go into that. I`m sure you`ll put 2 + 2 together from the
list below :


Worldwide Ages of consent
http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm

[eternal_spirit]

QUESTION : Do you ever post an any other articles that are not anti-islam lol ? Seriously, you must have a reet-olde-bee-in-yer-bonnet-bout-em lol.
:D

What you going to do when you run out of articles.... WHO is next ? :D

Its to be hoped they never move into your neighbourhood - you`d be running a one-person campaign to run em out of town lol. :eek:

I realise that EVERY `religion` earns itself some critism, but surely there`s got to be something good to say about them ?
It's not about me, but some people try make it so. It's about Islam which needs exposing for what it is. Kudos for you not being nasty though :)

Go on.... force yourself..... how about their MODESTY ?
You dont see em running round with `everything hanging out` or `being drunk & abusive on a Saturday night`
You dont see their young girls of 12 - 16 getting pregnant before marriage ?That's a stereotype and not the majority.
Neither is it about none Muslim societies and beautiful women of the west.

Who where the most sought after female sex slaves when the Muslim pirates where abducting them from England/Ireland and Europe to take to the slave markets of Arabia etc, which is often the reason why you see some green/blue eyed people across that region of the world today.
We have Muslim, gangs here (UK) who pimp our girls as young as 11 to fellow Muslims.

English schools girls befriended by Muslim boys, then passed round to their uncles and pimped as prostitutes, gang raped - and if they don't comply they threaten to gang rape their mums and burn down their house.
One girl had her tongue nailed to a table to stop her from talking.

This is the tip of the iceberg, thousands of girls and hundreds of (white only families have been victim to this) a lot in Lancashire/Yorkshire, in Towns not so far from me.

Genital female mutilation even happens here sometimes, although some send their daughters abroad to have it done. Honour killings? real nice. This is what mass immigration of Muslims has brought us, nothing but misery.

Koran states it's okay to rape your wife. Some believe it's okay to rape none Muslim because they don't cover up (burkha etc)
Hence the high rate of Rapists Muslims all across Europe/UK and other countries.

Some Muslim Clerics in response to stories of rapes of Western women described English etc girls as meat amongst cats, there for the taking (she was asking for it the way she was dressed sound familiar)

So it's the girl's fault when they are raped, not the Muslims. How fucked up is that? We know it's not the girl's fault but some amongst this barbaric religion say it is. :(:mad:

Child brides in Islam, that's often younger than 12 or 16.

Those things have got to be something in their favour... at least regards `conduct` - `setting a good example` - and `responsible parenting`

wouldn`t you agree.... ? :D
Arranged marriages to cousins (inbreeding and birth defects) female genital mutilation - FGM (circumcision) which is a form of chastity, when they stitch up the vagina (one of the extreme types of FGM) and leave a tiny hole to urinate. The stitching is removed before the wedding.

Anal sex is allowed because that's not classed as taking away virginity. (but don't quote me on that, think I read it somewhere but it needs verifying)

Also because sex before marriage is frowned upon, homo sexuality and paedophilia with boys is rife in some Muslim communities/countries.

and I think there`s a few other immoral things you wont see them doing...
but we wont go into that. I`m sure you`ll put 2 + 2 together from the
list below :
Worldwide Ages of consent
http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm[/QUOTE]
I have seen AOC before. Religious rulings often take precedence over state laws, especially where Sharia laws is concerned, Aiasha was 9 when Muhammad consummated the marriage, a proper devout Muslim must try emulate their Prophet's examples.

FGM was made illegal in Egypt a few years ago, but recent reports say it's still rife.

[himitsunomiko]

Yeah for some reason there is a coalition of people online trying to villiafy islam. Why? Well because, its not their beleifs ;)

[eternal_spirit]

Yeah for some reason there is a coalition of people online trying to villiafy islam. Why? Well because, its not their beleifs ;)
Works boths ways. The other side pro Islam anti (well almost everything none Islamic in some cases) groups are many.

The more you know about Islam the worse it is.

[himitsunomiko]

Be that as it may, its all the same stories as the jews and christians anyways.

The Pagans and the Hindus are going to sit back and watch the desert cults eradicate each other :lol:

[eternal_spirit]

Be that as it may, its all the same stories as the jews and christians anyways.

The Pagans and the Hindus are going to sit back and watch the desert cults eradicate each other :lol:
Some will be caught in the crossfire, if it goes nuclear then bye bye everyone.

Thighing of children
Mohammed married Ayesha when she was six, but as she was too small to consumate, he practised the sacred rite of Mufa' Khathat (http://islamreview.blogspot.com/2006/01/aisha-ayesha-child-wife-of-muhammad.html) (otherwise known as 'thighing' (http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Islamic-sexual-perversion.htm)) whereby he rubbed himself between the tops of her thighs, but did not enter, until she was nine.

When he climaxed at the end of his thighing sessions, he came all over his clothes, so he gave little Ayesha the job of washing them.


"Rub a dub dub, put my clothes in a tub"

From Bukhari (http://lexicorient.com/e.o/texts/bukhari/004.htm)

231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "

232:
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

233:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

What a nice job for a little girl!


Following the Perfect example from the Perfect Man
Now since Mohammed is 'the perfect man (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/bat-yeor-in-new-york-.html)' and role model for all Muslims, (http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2007/11/invasion-of-psychopathic-mobots.html) he set a precedent which allows all Muslim men to perform Mufa'Khathat on children younger than nine, and to have full sex from nine onwards.

Ayatollah Khomeini, generally regarded as one of the leading Muslims of the twentieth century, wrote (http://www.homa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=104&Itemid=58) "A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister."

Being a devout man who practised what be preached, the Ayatollah had a 'fling' with a four year old girl, as related in 'Hal Ataaka Hadeeth ur-Raafidah?' by the late Sheikh Abu Mus'abaz-Zarqaawi: (http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2007/01/ayatollah-khomeinis-fling-with-four.html)

"When it was time to sleep, the guests had all left, except for the inhabitants of the house. Al-Khomeini laid his eyes on a young girl who, despite being only four or five years of age, was very beautiful.

So, the Imam requested from her father, Sayyid Sahib, that he spend the night with her in order to enjoy her. Her father happily agreed, and Imam al-Khomeini spent the night with the girl in his arms, and we could hear her crying and screaming.'”


Brave women's rights campaigner Madam Ghada denounces thighing (towards end of interview)

[eternal_spirit]

Two subjects within the field of human trafficking are too often ignored: cultural traditions of slavery and the sale of boys in the commercial sex industry. CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/10/26/ctw.afghanistan.sex.trade/index.html) recently shed light on both of these in an article about the Afghan tradition of bacha bazi, or "boy play". It's a cultural tradition for many powerful Afghan men, but it's modern-day slavery for the boys who live through it. Bacha bazi is illegal in Afghanistan, but the practice is still thriving. Boys are taken from their families at a young age and sold or given to wealthy and powerful business men, politicians, and military commanders.

The boys are dressed in women's clothing and makeup and forced to dance to entertain their master and his guests.

They are also forced to perform sex acts on their master or his guests. The few boys who are able to escape their slavery have a difficult time ever making a living doing anything else.

They are forever branded in society as a bacha bereesh, or a "boy without a beard," a boy who dances and dresses as a woman.

Their plight is not unlike that of women forced into sexual performance or prostitution, who also have a difficult time being accepted into society and finding work after their ordeal. Bacha bazi boys often return to the industry even after they have left, because they have no other means to support themselves.


Women who have been forced into commercial sex often do the same. Perhaps so many similarities exist because bacha bazi feminizes these boys in order to degrade them.

By forcing them to perform in women's clothes and by raping them, this tradition not only seeks to humiliate these boys for the pleasure of wealthy men, but also to reinforce the idea that women are inferior and for a boy to have feminine affectations is degrading for him. It's a window into the severe gender inequality that pervades Afghanistan.

What I found most interesting about bacha bazi is the prevalence of a tradition based around same sex rape and gender-bending performance in a severely homophobic country like Afghanistan.


I don't pretend to understand the disconnect that must occur in someone's mind to allow them to criminally prosecute individuals for identifying as LGBT or having a consensual same sex relationship and then forcing young boys into prostitution with grown men. My only guess is that the practice feminizes the boys so much, their abusers no longer view the sex act as taking place with a boy, but rather with a girl. But I would be interested to learn more about how this practice has come to thrive in a modern-day Afghanistan.
Human trafficking and modern-day slavery are often hidden behind the veil of cultural traditions, whether that's bacha bazi or servile marriage or debt bondage. But slavery has no place as a cultural institution in any society. We have won the battle to make slavery illegal in every country in the world. Now, comes the harder part, where we also must make is socially and culturally unacceptable. Otherwise, exploitative practices like bacha bazi will continue in shadow markets all over the world.

[willnotbesilenced]

Works boths ways. The other side pro Islam anti (well almost everything none Islamic in some cases) groups are many.

The more you know about Islam the worse it is.






You certainly seem to have done a heck of alot of research.
I wasnt being mean by what I said to you. I do in fact apologise.

It`s not exactly a subject Ive researched.
I am aware of Christian persecutions, and in fact I blame alot of that
on the conflicts that are going on around the world in Muslim countries.
To some extent I do believe that the government even tries to stir other
groups up. They`re not too bothered who wins cause no doubt they
back both sides and there`s profits to be made from all the deaths.

My one and only dealing with a Muslim was with a friend I had a few
years ago before I moved, our children were best mates - but she was
very westernized and married to a guy who wasnt even slightly religious !!
I did learn however from her how she herself became a victim of the
prejudice in the West after 911. So in that respect persecution can
work both ways.

As for their culture, their religious practices & child brides, of course
many of these things to us seem very wrong - but their culture is so much
different to ours.
If we flip the coin over.... our culture also seems bad and evil to them.

There`s certainly a very big divide between Eastern and Western culture.
What I do believe however (and I say the same regards anyone who comes
to live in our country - irrespective of colour or religion) when they come here then they should NOT expect to bring their culture with them.
If people want Shaih Law then they should have it in their countries and
not look to impose it here.
I`m sure if I went to live in Saudi Arabia or Iran I wouldnt be able to impose
my ways on them, and I wouldnt expect to.
As the saying goes : `When in Rome.... do as the Romans do`
That doesnt mean I would expect them to fall in with the worst traits in
the West, certainly not, but there is such a thing as respecting the Laws
of our country.

In some respects Islam reminds me (at least regards some of its punishments
for example) to how we can read in the N/T that Yeshua stopped the
people from `stoning to death` the woman they accused of being a
prostitute. There`s a clue there, whilst Islam too still carries
out such punishments.

Should Islam have moved forward by now ?
I`d say : YES definitely.
It is possible for any culture to move forward, yet still retain the better
principles of what they already have.
I dont think the West is in the best position to recommend that others
adopt all of the ways of the West, because we have things which are
far from being good - and certainly which goes against God`s Laws.
So its a case of picking the best from both and moving into this century.

Trouble is we dont exactly show by example either when we know there`s
so much paedophia going on within the RC church.
When they`re as bad as they are, then what example is it for others ?

It`s a strange old world - and somethings got to give soon.

take care.

[metacomet]

QUESTION : Do you ever post an any other articles that are not anti-islam lol ?

No.

This is his full-time job. 20,000 posts. 17 posts a day.

Check out his thread list... (http://davidicke.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2998285)

TWENTY PAGES of Anti-Muslim bullshit. Eternal_Spirit has posted 451 threads on this forum - more than any other single member.

Almost all of them are anti-muslim.

If that's not disgusting I don't know what is...




What you going to do when you run out of articles.... WHO is next ? :D

He'll never run out of articles... he's got unlimited resources from bullshit websites like the BNP, 'islam-watch' etc.

He really doesn't post anything original ... he just copy pastes propaganda from other sites.

An outstanding example of the kind of useless poster who wastes more bandwidth on this forum than he is worth.

[metacomet]

Yeah for some reason there is a coalition of people online trying to villiafy islam. Why? Well because, its not their beleifs ;)

It's not just that.

They claim to have been beaten up by colored people etc... .

They claim to live in neighborhoods with 'roaming violent muslim gangs'

[eternal_spirit]

Thanks for the comments willnotbesilenced, I can't add anything in reply.

So will post more on the thread's topic

Acid attack on boy who 'refused sex with Muslim cleric'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...im-cleric.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/1453786/Acid-attack-on-boy-who-refused-sex-with-Muslim-cleric.html)

[bendoon]

Well its ok for you to say that but some of us live with the day to day reality.

[dreamweaver]

ES, do you know why the BNP switched from ranting against Jews to ranting against Muslims?

Here it is, in Nick Griffin's own words:

We bang on about Islam. Why? Because to the ordinary public out there it’s the thing they can understand. It’s the thing the newspaper editors sell newspapers with. If we were to attack some other ethnic group—some people say we should attack the Jews… But … we’ve got to get to power. And if that was an issue we chose to bang on about when the press don’t talk about it … the public would just think we were barking mad. They’d just think oh, you’re attacking Jews just because you want to attack Jews. You’re attacking this group of powerful Zionists just because you want to take poor Manny Cohen the tailor and shove him in a gas chamber. That’s what the public would think. It wouldn’t get us anywhere other than stepping backwards. It would lock us in a little box; the public would think “extremist crank lunatics, nothing to do with me.” And we wouldn’t get power.

You see, it's not out of any "principle" that he singles out Muslims. He openly admits it's because, in Britain, "it’s the thing the newspaper editors sell newspapers with".

You're just being a pawn in someone else's power games here.

[eternal_spirit]

Rules for men having sex with boys
Man-boy sex is institutionalised to the extent that the Islamic rulebook specifies who should and should not be the object of a man's amorous attentions. Apart from the requirement that the boy should be beardless (bacha bereesh), there are also some restrictions regarding family members.

From http://www.al-islam.org/laws/marriage1.html (http://www.al-islam.org/laws/marriage1.html)

2414. * If a baligh person commits sodomy with a boy , the mother, sister and daughter of the boy become haraam for him. And the same law applies when the person on whom sodomy is committed is an adult male, or when the person committing sodomy is na-baligh. But if one suspects or doubts whether penetration occurred or not, then the said woman would not become haraam.

2415. * If a person marries the mother or sister of a boy, and commits sodomy with the boy after the marriage, as a precaution, they will become haraam for him.

In other words, if a Muslim dates a woman and finds her kid brother or son attractive, he must choose one or the other. He can't have both.

[himitsunomiko]

Dont worry, theres a 44 page islam/bible debate at the main fourm i go to:eek:

[eternal_spirit]

Dreamweaver I am aware of what you said. Doesn't change the fact that a good debate on Islam is needed, it is a vast topic and often complicated to unravel the facts. And some of the Arab words and ideas take some getting used too.

[bendoon]

You're just being a pawn in someone else's power games here.

Its not being a pawn, it is a tactical way to get rid of the the Powers That Be, Griffin has judged, rightly or wrongly that it is the only feasible route.

What is the alternative ? just sit back and pretend everything will be ok ?

[eternal_spirit]

In Muslim societies women are kept covered in burkhas, so the prettiest things that most unmarried Muslim men ever see are beardless pre-pubescent boys. Beardless boys are not regarded as male, so sex with them is not considered as homosexuality as it is between adult men. (http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/violent-muslim-homophobia-jihad-against.html)

Consequently, in traditional Muslim societies completely clean shaving is frowned upon, as it sends the wrong messages about sexual availability. If full beards (Taliban-style) are not worn, then moustaches are required.

Muslim clerics are especially fond of little boys, and enjoying them is one of the perks of the job. Muslims get very annoyed if kuffars interfere with their rightful privileges. (http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/Imam-s-family-custody-protest/article-1823117-detail/article.html)

If a boy refuses to have sex with an Imam, he can expect severe punishment. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/1453786/Acid-attack-on-boy-who-refused-sex-with-Muslim-cleric.html)

[scooby85]

[QUOTE]English schools girls befriended by Muslim boys, then passed round to their uncles and pimped as prostitutes, gang raped - and if they don't comply they threaten to gang rape their mums and burn down their house.
One girl had her tongue nailed to a table to stop her from talking.


This is the tip of the iceberg, thousands of girls and hundreds of (white only families have been victim to this) a lot in Lancashire/Yorkshire, in Towns not so far from me.

Genital female mutilation even happens here sometimes, although some send their daughters abroad to have it done. Honour killings? real nice. This is what mass immigration of Muslims has brought us, nothing but misery.

Koran states it's okay to rape your wife. Some believe it's okay to rape none Muslim because they don't cover up (burkha etc)
Hence the high rate of Rapists Muslims all across Europe/UK and other countries.

Some Muslim Clerics in response to stories of rapes of Western women described English etc girls as meat amongst cats, there for the taking (she was asking for it the way she was dressed sound familiar)

So it's the girl's fault when they are raped, not the Muslims. How fucked up is that? We know it's not the girl's fault but some amongst this barbaric religion say it is. :(:mad:


WHAT THE FUCK HAS ANY OF THIS GOT TO DO WITH ISLAM??? IS IT IN THE QURAN? NO! IS IT CONDONED BY ISLAM?....NO!! IS IT PROHIBITED? YES! YOU ARE JUST A HATE MONGERING, FEAR SPREADING, DISINFO AGENT, LIEING PEICE OF SHIT.. AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THIS VILE ANTI ISLAMIC PROPAGANDA...SHAME ON YOU...


"And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect." (al-Rum 30:21)


That doesnt sound like the quran 'allows' men to rape their wives


Child brides in Islam, that's often younger than 12 or 16.

Try raising a girl in a third world country you ignorant fucker, most poor families KILL their daughters at birth cos they know they wont be able to support it, so marrying the girl off at a young age is a common practice, a necessity in some circumstances so get off your high fecking horse dickhead How many muslim men do you personally know that have married child brides? Im a muslim and ive never seen anyone! Why? because its not necessary in most circumstances.. so should muslims follow the hindus and kill their daughters? or is it better to marry them of when they CANT support them? And when it does happen, they dont just kidnap the girl and marry them, its usually the parents of the girl that want to get rid of her, not out of choice.

Arranged marriages to cousins (inbreeding and birth defects) female genital mutilation - FGM (circumcision) which is a form of chastity, when they stitch up the vagina (one of the extreme types of FGM) and leave a tiny hole to urinate. The stitching is removed before the wedding.


AND THIS IS IN WHICH VERSE OF THE QURAN EXACTLY??? Did god give you an arsehole? He shouldn't have seeing as all your shit comes out your mouth

Anal sex is allowed because that's not classed as taking away virginity. (but don't quote me on that, think I read it somewhere but it needs verifying)

MORE BULLSHIT YOUVE NEVER TOLD A SINGLE PEICE OF TRUTH IN YOUR LIFE

Anal sex is strongly prohibited and it annuls a marriage between a couple if they practise it. You dont know JACKSHIT about islam, you get ALL your info from like minded disinfo wankers

Also because sex before marriage is frowned upon, homo sexuality and paedophilia with boys is rife in some Muslim communities/countries.

Bet its more 'rifer' in christianity and judaism..and the whole of the west... None the less its wrong and its not something that islam allows regardless whether 'muslims' are doing it or not.

[scooby85]

In Muslim societies women are kept covered in burkhas, so the prettiest things that most unmarried Muslim men ever see are beardless pre-pubescent boys. Beardless boys are not regarded as male, so sex with them is not considered as homosexuality as it is between adult men. (http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/violent-muslim-homophobia-jihad-against.html)

Consequently, in traditional Muslim societies completely clean shaving is frowned upon, as it sends the wrong messages about sexual availability. If full beards (Taliban-style) are not worn, then moustaches are required.

Muslim clerics are especially fond of little boys, and enjoying them is one of the perks of the job. Muslims get very annoyed if kuffars interfere with their rightful privileges. (http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/Imam-s-family-custody-protest/article-1823117-detail/article.html)

If a boy refuses to have sex with an Imam, he can expect severe punishment. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/1453786/Acid-attack-on-boy-who-refused-sex-with-Muslim-cleric.html)

Seriously where the fuck do you find this shit??? If your going to post without any textual facts from the quran your arguments not going to hold any weight but I suppose you cant do that cos the quran doesnt back up any of this.. oh well keep on making things up.. anyone who gives you ANY credibility must be in the same boat as you..mentally ill

[scooby85]

Some will be caught in the crossfire, if it goes nuclear then bye bye everyone.

Thighing of children
Mohammed married Ayesha when she was six, but as she was too small to consumate, he practised the sacred rite of Mufa' Khathat (http://islamreview.blogspot.com/2006/01/aisha-ayesha-child-wife-of-muhammad.html) (otherwise known as 'thighing' (http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Islamic-sexual-perversion.htm)) whereby he rubbed himself between the tops of her thighs, but did not enter, until she was nine.

When he climaxed at the end of his thighing sessions, he came all over his clothes, so he gave little Ayesha the job of washing them.


"Rub a dub dub, put my clothes in a tub"

From Bukhari (http://lexicorient.com/e.o/texts/bukhari/004.htm)

231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "

232:
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

233:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

What a nice job for a little girl!




And you know it was due to 'thighing' and not anything else like a wet dream or over excitement because...

Oh yeah I forgot you there, i do apologise :rolleyes:

If you wernt so thick youd know this hadith is telling us that water is good enough to clean semen, as you need to be pure and clean when doing prayers.

lie after lie after lie... (yawn)

[eternal_spirit]

And how much do you really know Scooby what goes on around the Islamic world, you grew up in England playing football and other English ways.

[scooby85]

You certainly seem to have done a heck of alot of research.
I wasnt being mean by what I said to you. I do in fact apologise.

It`s not exactly a subject Ive researched.



Hes done alot of research? are you having a laugh? please tell me you were joking!! :D

[metacomet]

WHAT THE FUCK HAS ANY OF THIS GOT TO DO WITH ISLAM??? IS IT IN THE QURAN? NO! IS IT CONDONED BY ISLAM?....NO!! IS IT PROHIBITED? YES! YOU ARE JUST A HATE MONGERING, FEAR SPREADING, DISINFO AGENT, LIEING PEICE OF SHIT.. AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THIS VILE ANTI ISLAMIC PROPAGANDA...SHAME ON YOU...




This is his full-time job. 20,000 posts. 17 posts a day.

Check out his thread list... (http://davidicke.com/forum/search.php?searchid=2998285)

TWENTY PAGES of Anti-Muslim bullshit. Eternal_Spirit has posted 451 threads on this forum - more than any other single member.

Almost all of them are anti-muslim.



...

Don't worry, you're not the only one who sees this guy for what he really is.

I can't count the number of people who have asked 'What the fuck does this topic have to do with Muslims'?

He has no answer.

[scooby85]

And how much do you really know Scooby what goes on around the Islamic world, you grew up in England playing football and other English ways.

More than you thats all you need to know.

So come on arnt you going to reply to any of my posts/questions? Or are you going to ignore them as they have proved you are a liar and a disinfo agent as per fecking usual

[nicolaj]

Rules for men having sex with boys
Man-boy sex is institutionalised to the extent that the Islamic rulebook specifies who should and should not be the object of a man's amorous attentions. Apart from the requirement that the boy should be beardless (bacha bereesh), there are also some restrictions regarding family members.

From http://www.al-islam.org/laws/marriage1.html (http://www.al-islam.org/laws/marriage1.html)

2414. * If a baligh person commits sodomy with a boy , the mother, sister and daughter of the boy become haraam for him. And the same law applies when the person on whom sodomy is committed is an adult male, or when the person committing sodomy is na-baligh. But if one suspects or doubts whether penetration occurred or not, then the said woman would not become haraam.

2415. * If a person marries the mother or sister of a boy, and commits sodomy with the boy after the marriage, as a precaution, they will become haraam for him.

In other words, if a Muslim dates a woman and finds her kid brother or son attractive, he must choose one or the other. He can't have both.

This as not long happened in my area with one cleric, it involves 70 children in 3 different mosques.

[willnotbesilenced]

Hes done alot of research? are you having a laugh? please tell me you were joking!! :D







Hello

The OP has obviously done alot of research about `persecution`

I listen to TruNews regularly (for example) and Ive heard many such accounts, and also about the persecution of Christians in China by the Chinese. So lets be realistic here : persecution DOES happen.
As I also stated in a previous post: its very often caused by the various conflicts. We cant say that about China, but we can regards Islam.

What I do think people are not seeing, however, is this :

We know in the West that when we hear about child brides we view that as being equivalent to paedophilia.
In actual fact, that really is not true, and I will tell you why.

Although we (in the West) would consider a girl of say 12 years of age to be far too young to be being married off to an older man..... let us not also forget that during the war (and before and afterwards) girls and boys of that age were sent out to work.
Very often, and when father was away fighting the war (and in many cases when father had been killed in the war) a boy of 12 was considered to be a man - not a boy, and oft time became `the head of the household` and was responsible for bringing home a wage for his mum & siblings.
Also: a girl of 12 could herself be left to look after younger family members if mum had died and dad was out working.

Therefore, although girls /sex-marriage may be a controversial subject so also nowadays would it be an equally controversial subject if we knew a family who was sending their 12 year old child out to work to support his family. Would we not be shouting `child slavery` ???? `abuse of a child` ??
and would Social Services not be banging on that family`s door and taking that child into care and no doubt taking the parent(s) to court on grounds of child abuse.

Therefore, and what I am illustrating here is how different cultures have done different things at different periods of time in history.
The only difference here being.... the West has moved forwards (not always for the better by any means) but at least children are more protected nowadays.
In contrast, Islam has still retained its culture and in POOR countries they (like the West once did with child labour) might need to sell off their daughters because they can no longer afford to keep them.
That doesnt make it right - and many might say: well shouldnt they think of that before having their children? But again, in poor countries they`re just not offered either the same education or birth control means that we are here in the West.
I dont know what Islam`s take is on birth control, but it may well be like that of the Roman Catholics, it could be against their religious beliefs.

I`m not supporting anyone here, or what they do, or dont do..... but I do believe there are REASONS that we dont always see because we are fortunate enough to live in a society where everything is available to us, and where we have a safety net when times are hard financially.

Until we walk in another persons shoes.... then maybe best NOT to start throwing stones at others, eh ?

In an ideal world, the West would not be so greedy, and then maybe we could help others to take a few steps forward so that such young girls need not become child brides.

Just a thought : perhaps if certain world leaders CEASED starting so many wars.... then there`d be more money to do that.
I cant help but wonder WHERE would the money be better spent?.... on helping others ? OR, buying weapons so as to kill the very ppl we critise in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan.

The entire world is upside down, and fighting amongst ourselves aint going to help to put it right.

We dont live in an ideal world - we in the West are far from perfect - and neither are Islam - but unless WE get honest & moral leaders then things are only going to get worse for us all.
If the corrupt financial system collapses how long will it be before we end up as poor ?

I thought Yeshua said :
To care for the poor....
To feed the hungry....
To give a drink to the thirsty....
To clothe the naked.....
NOT to murder.... (wars)
and yeah, just one more, `to love our neighbour as ourself`

Very, very sad that His words fell on deaf ears.

Yeshua DID have the answers had we only listened.

[willnotbesilenced]

Maybe help to stop the arguments, I`ll repost this :

Worldwide Age of consent
http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm


There`s quite a few countries who have it set at AGE 14. (including Israel who has 14-16)
Interesting to note though how many also say : must be married /married.
Equally interesting is the Laws on homosexuality.

Question : is the West any better just because it states AGE 16....
when we are seeing so many unmarried girls with babies ? NOT to mention all the abortions !!!
and in other areas..... there`s an `anything goes` attitude.
Only difference being : the West `legalised` it.

Maybe time to ask a big question here :

WHICH will God condemn the most.... a faith /society that marries off its daughters at 12.....
OR
a society which permits so much immorality that it becomes necessary to LEGALIZE the MURDER of babies in the womb ????????

The TRUTH about others might not be good..... :(
But the TRUTH about the West is shameful too. :o

Can we please stop throwing stones ? :)


PEACE
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[islamvslizards]

if anyone is interested, the entire article is not to be trusted.

[scooby85]

gone awfully quiet again eternal_bullshitter...

[himitsunomiko]

He's just a troll. Check out some of the comments by one on another board...

I certainly do hate Islam. It is false doctrine, that leads to the above atrocities.

I say to you also, GO LIVE IN SAUDI ARABIA IGNORANT GIRL.

MAYBE A BURKA AND A GANG RAPE WOULD WAKE YOU UP.

This was said by a "Christian" guy. psh.

I will speak up for those oppressed women, you horrible unfeeling ignorant girl.

Disgusting, that you will not stand up for them.

It is you who are evil, it has corrupted you so that you will defend the oppression of Saudi women.

Go there. Please. Go there. Put on the burka. Give up your rights. You will not drive. You will not leave your house without the permission of your husband. Your husband will legally beat you if he so wishes.

You are horrible. You need Jesus so bad.

Jesus died on the cross for your sins, and he is the Messiah, and if you refuse to believe in him as the Son of God, that he claimed himself to be, if you continue to believe the lies given to you by the child-molesting, adulterous, sex addict, thief, liar, and murderous warlord named Mohammed, then you will not be worshipping YHVH, you will be continuing to bow down to a meteorite, which is pagan worship, and you will not be saved.

That is what the Bible states, that Jesus is the Son of God and he died for our sins, and rose again on the third day, just as he prophesied he would.

You do not worship the same God as Christians, you are deceived into thinking that the demon moon god that you bow down to in the form of an IDOL that is the meteorite in the Kaaba, is actually Allah.

The Arab Christians worship the true Allah, who is YHVH.

Now see, Thumper Christians will always argue with Islams Ideas. the best thing to do is ignore it and not feed into the negative energy anymore.

[jktruth]

siigggghhhhhh.

lol who noticed the pic of twin towers in the top right corner? any moron knows the truth about that charade.
the entire source is FALLSEE. BIAASED. THE WEBSITE ISS BULLSHIT, HAS BEEN CREATED FOR AN AGENDER. keep trying, dumass.

islam is the truth, we have scientific proof. keep slandering it and see where it gets you. this post is an EPIC FAIL.

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[himitsunomiko]

I could go into my whole theory of who is the truth, but for the sake of everyone's sanity I will keep it simple.

The truth is within. religion is meant to mold you into a good person, not a hater of those who are not of your beleifs.

[orlibonurb]

He's just a troll. Check out some of the comments by one on another board...



This was said by a "Christian" guy. psh.





Now see, Thumper Christians will always argue with Islams Ideas. the best thing to do is ignore it and not feed into the negative energy anymore.


He hates Islam (the system / religion), so what ??????????????????

Did he say he hates MUSLIMS / PEOPLE ????? No, that's a whole different story. Day from night. Hating a system does not imply one hates the ones who follow it.

I hate religion too, it is sending many to hell. I will always defend peoples freedom of choice thou. I love people, have no problem with anyone at all - and that's why I tell you the truth. And no, the truth is not "within".

Another New Ager on the forum.

The truth is, it's eternal life trought Jesus the Messiah (who died for you and your sins).

Religion is total non sense, man made tradition, evil inspired tradition. Then again, I will always respect those who choose to follow their "religion", and contrary to "public / sheeple opinion", I don't call them "narrow minded" people. Respect above everything, mixed with truth - Jesus saves (and it's hell without Him).


Acts {4:10} Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole. {4:11} This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. {4:12} Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

[himitsunomiko]

You label me a New Ager, yet you know not what my beleifs stem from.

Labeling people is not nice.

[dreamweaver]

islam is the truth, we have scientific proof.

Keep telling yourself that. :)

Oh, silly me, you already do. Many times a day.

[dragon fang]

Review my topic:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106582

[converger]

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/22_SScandal.pdf
PRIEST'S PEDOPHILIA LOL

[converger]

Human sexuality, Roman Catholic church,
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Sexual and other abuse
by clergy: A "perfect panic"<H3>Overview:</H3>This section deals mainly with sexual abuse of youths and younger children by Roman Catholic clergy. Little information is available on the frequency of abuse among clergy in other Christian denominations and in other religions.
What little hard information that is available seems to indicate that:
Pedophilia (sexual abuse by adults of pre-pubertal children) is lower among Catholic clergy than among the general male population.
Hebephilia, a.k.a. ephebophilia, (the sexual abuse by adults of post-pubertal children) is much more common among Catholic clergy than in the general population; it is a major concern.
Sexual abuse of children could probably be almost halved if women were allowed to be ordained in the church.

Whenever detailed studies are made, massive levels of physical and sexual abuse in church-run residential schools is uncovered.http://www.religioustolerance.org/_themes/pixel/pixrule.gif

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<H3>An episode of "The Vortex" discussed the problem in the Catholic church:</H3>Michael Voris of RealCatholicTV.com discussed the abuse of children in the Catholic church. His talk is an interesting blend of accurate terminology, and hatred of gays, lesbians and liberals. His video makes for interesting viewing:
He correctly identifies the abuse as being motivated by abusive hebephilia, not pedophilia as much of the secular media stated.
He blamed the child sex abuse problem on liberals in the church. He describes their goal as to use the Catholic Church to advance the "homosexual agenda." Apparently he believes that their agenda involves high levels of child abuse. That is an interesting conclusion, which he does not support with facts.
He commented: "One by one, these bishops and priests who [had] rained down spiritual terror on the church for decades are finally exiting the scene. In their place are good bishops and holy priests who love the Church and the faith." However, he still believes that the terrorist bishops and priests are still in the majority.
<H3>Quotations, accurate and inaccurate:</H3>"While the moral panic of Salem's witches may be over, an equally pernicious panic continues to grow -- that of the pedophile priest." Anne Hendershott. 1
"Nothingmuch can shock us in today's world, but in the past weeks we've seen things, heard things, and read things that we never would have dreamed of." Father Raymond Mann, St. Anthony Shrine, Boston, MA, on Palm Sunday, 2002-MAR-24. 2
The far right will tell you the reason we have this problem goes back to Vatican II. We made too many reforms. They blame everything on the reforms. The far left says the problem we have today is we didn't make enough reforms. ... Both sides greet the bad news about the Catholic Church, particularly regarding matters sexual, as good news because they feel vindicated."William Donohue, president of the Catholic League. 3
We would be naive and dishonest were we to say this is a Roman Catholic problem and has nothing to do with us because we have married and female priests in our church. Sin and abusive behavior know no ecclesial or other boundaries." Rt. Rev. William Persell, Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Chicago, Good Friday Sermon, 2002. 4</B></B></B></B></B>

[jktruth]

Keep telling yourself that. :)

Oh, silly me, you already do. Many times a day.

funny. wrong. but funny.

do enough research and inshallah (if god wills) you will realise the truth

[dreamweaver]

funny. wrong. but funny.

do enough research and inshallah (if god wills) you will realise the truth

I realised the truth long ago. All the Abrahamic religions are man-made instruments of control and Islam seems to me to be the most controlling of the lot.

You can spare me all the long cut and pastes about how certain selected verses out of the many thousands in the Koran foretold developments in science (as long as you take a massive leap of faith, clutch at straws and take a heavy dose of Confirmation bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). I've seen it all before, I wasn't impressed and you will only be proving that you know fuck-all about science (or Islam for that matter).

But believe whatever you want to believe, it's your life. As long as you don't interfere with my life, I won't interfere with yours. :)

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106745

[eternal_spirit]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Muslim SLAVERY TODAY! Muslims Beat RAPE Little Children!


notes with video
Muslims are told that Africans "annoy the Prophet" (Ishaq 243), have hearts "grosser than a donkey" (Surah 9:61) and that blacks should be left to die if injured, and should be denied intercession and entrance to heaven (Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 52, Number 137).

Muslims try and torture non-Muslims into becoming Muslims. Not every muslim is evil and some i've heard have even come to the aid of non-msulims who were being beaten in the streets but unfortunately they are the minority. Muslims continue to commit these types of atrocities against non-Muslims everyday in other countries such as egypt, saudi arabia, iran, pakistan etc.

Men, women and children have been raped & tortured by muslims because in their countries they get away with it. Saudi Arabia regularly beheads people caught practicing other religions.

The genocide has switched from southern Sudan to Darfur with oil revenues being used by the Islamic government to perpetuate genocide.

September 28, 2006A Sudanese 7 year old slave who was assigned to watch his Muslim master's camels was "crucified" when he was caught sneaking out to attend a Christian church, according to reports from Voice of the Martyrs.

The aid organization that helps persecuted Christians worldwide said the reports come from witnesses in the Sudan who were in contact with the youth, now about 15.

Damare Garang was seven when the attack happened, officials said. He had been captured by Islamic soldiers when his Sudanese village was attacked, and then sold as a slave to a Muslim family in Tuobon, Bahr el Gazel.

[goanna]

to the OP....

a complete guide to pedophilia in judahism refer to their filthy, godforsaken, anti-christ book...THE TALMUD!!!

PEDOPHILIA:ZYD TALMUD'S DIRTY SECRET=Pedofilia w talmudzie

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:14:00 -0500, in soc.culture.polish
"Szuja Inkowska" <szuja@inkowska
http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/pedophiliasecret.html

No such thing exists in Islam. It exists in the Jewish Holy book,
go to the link for copies from the Jewish Holy book or buy it
and check it yourself.

http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/pedophiliasecret.html

PEDOPHILIA: THE TALMUD'S DIRTY SECRET

By Rev. Ted Pike
11 Oct 06

For nearly a century, the Jewish-dominated Hollywood film industry and
big media have conspicuously influenced Christian America away from
Biblical morals and values. (See, "Jews Confirm Big Media Is Jewish")

Yet, with the hippie rebellion of the early sixties, the Jewish media
found exponential opportunities to hasten Americas moral decline.
Encouraging drugs and pornography it persuaded America that "free love"
and living together outside of marriage were socially acceptable. With
astonishing rapidity the movie, TV, and print media helped produce a
generation of sexual libertines. By the end of the sixties, it hastened
the sexual revolution to its next stage, homosexuality.

Now, more than 40 years later, even homosexuality has lost its attraction
to many children and grandchildren of the hippie generation.
Pedophilia (sex with little boys and girls along with child pornography)
is the latest underground obsession sweeping America
and the world.

Last fall, I alerted the nation to the power of the pedophile lobby in
Congress; Sen. Edward Kennedy, long backed by homosexuals in
support of the federal anti-hate bill, betrayed them to favor the
evidently more powerful and rewarding pedophiles.
(See "How Kennedy and His Pedophiles Weakened the Child Safety Bill")

Rotten Roots

What kind of moral foundations do Jews of the media rest upon, that they
could consciously ignite and fan the flames of a sexual inferno that
continues to ravage our once Christian society?

Virtually all the media moguls who founded Hollywood and the big three
TV networks were immigrants, or their children, from predominantly
orthodox Jewish communities in Eastern Europe.

In the late 19th century, most European Jews were a people of the book.
But their book wasnt the Bible. It was the Babylonian Talmud.
To this day, the Talmud remains Judaisms highest moral, ethical
and legal authority.

Does the Talmud share Christianity's foundation of wholesome moral values?
Hardly. Instead, the Talmud is the sleazy substrata of a religious system
gone terribly astray; it is that code of Pharisaic unbelief Christ
described as "full of all uncleanness" (Matt. 23:27). Shockingly,
Judaisms most revered authority actually endorses such sins aslying, oath-
breaking, and indirect murder. And it even sanctions one of the greatest
sins of all: child molestation.

Three Year Old Brides

When Christ accused the Pharisees of His day of being Satans spiritual
children, He fully realized what they were capable of. Second century
Rabbi Simeon ben Yohai, one of Judaisms very
greatest rabbis and a creator of Kabbalah, sanctioned
pedophiliapermitting molestation of baby girls even younger than three!
He proclaimed, A proselyte who is under the age of three
years and a day is permitted to marry a priest. 1

Subsequent rabbis refer to ben Yohais endorsement of
pedophilia as "halakah," or binding Jewish law. 2

Has ben Yohai, child rape advocate, been disowned by modern Jews? Hardly.
Today, in ben Yohais hometown of Meron, Israel, tens of
thousands of orthodox and ultra-orthodox Jews gather
annually for days and nights of singing and dancing in his memory.

References to pedophilia abound in the Talmud. They occupy considerable
sections of Treatises Kethuboth and Yebamoth and are enthusiastically
endorsed by the Talmuds definitive legal work, Treatise Sanhedrin.

The Pharisees Endorsed Child Sex

The rabbis of the Talmud are notorious for their legal hairsplitting,
and quibbling debates.
But they share rare agreement about their right to molest three year
old girls. In contrast to many hotly debated issues, hardly a hint of
dissent rises against the prevailing opinion (expressed in many clear
passages) that pedophilia is not only normal but scriptural as well!
Its as if the rabbis have found an exalted truth whose majesty silences
debate.

Because the Talmudic authorities who sanction pedophilia are so renowned,
and because pedophilia as halakah is so explicitly emphasized, not even
the translators of the Soncino edition of the Talmud (1936) dared insert a
footnote suggesting the slightest criticism. They only comment:
Marriage, of course, was then at a far earlier age than now. 3

In fact, footnote 5 to Sanhedrin 60b rejects the right of a Talmudic
rabbi to disagree with ben Yohai's endorsement of pedophilia:
"How could they [the rabbis], contrary to the opinion of R.
Simeon ben Yohai, which has scriptural support, forbid the
marriage of the young proselyte?" 4

Out of Babylon

It was in Babylon after the exile under Nebuchadnezzar in 597 BC that
Judaism's leading sages probably began to indulge in pedophilia.
Babylon was the staggeringly immoral capitol of the ancient world.
For 1600 years, the worlds largest population of Jews flourished
within it.

As an example of their evil, Babylonian priests said a man's
religious duty included regular sex with temple prostitutes.
Bestiality was widely tolerated. So Babylonians hardly cared
whether a rabbi married a three year old girl.

But with expulsion of the Jews in the 11th century AD, mostly to
western Christian lands, Gentile tolerance of Jewish pedophilia
abruptly ended.

Still, a shocking contradiction lingers: If Jews want to revere the
transcendent wisdom and moral guidance of the Pharisees and their
Talmud, they must accept the right of their greatest ancient sages
to violate children. To this hour, no synod of Judaism has repudiated
their vile practice.

Sex with a Minor Permitted

What exactly did these sages say?

The Pharisees justified child rape by explaining that a boy of nine years
was not a man (See, "Judaism and Homosexuality: A Marriage Made in Hell")
Thus they exempted him from Gods Mosaic Law: You shall not lie with a
male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination (Lev. 18:22)

One passage in the Talmud gives permission for a woman who molested her
young son to marry a high priest. It concludes, All agree that the
connection of a boy aged nine years and a day is a real connection;
whilst that of one less than eight years is not." 5

Because a boy under 9 is sexually immature, he can't "throw guilt" on the
active offender, morally or legally. 6

A woman could molest a young boy without questions of morality even being
raised: "the intercourse of a small boy is not regarded as a sexual act."
7

The Talmud also says, "A male aged nine years and a day who cohabits with
his deceased brother's wife acquires her (as wife)." 8

Clearly, the Talmud teaches that a woman is permitted to marry and have
sex with a nine year old boy.

Sex at Three Years and One Day

In contrast to Simeon ben Yohai's dictum that sex with a little girl is
permitted under the age of three years, the general teaching of the Talmud
is that the rabbi must wait until a day after her third birthday.
She could be taken in marriage simply by the act of rape.

R. Joseph said: Come and hear! A maiden aged three years and a day
may be acquired in marriage by coition and if her deceased husbands
brother cohabits with her, she becomes his. (Sanh. 55b)

A girl who is three years of age and one day may be betrothed by
cohabitation. . . .(Yeb. 57b)

A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by
coition, and if her deceased husbands brother cohabited with her she
becomes his. (Sanh. 69a, 69b, also discussed in Yeb. 60b)

It was taught: R. Simeon b. Yohai stated: A proselyte who is under the
age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest, for it is
said, But all the women children that have not known man by lying with
him, keep alive for yourselves, and Phineas (who was priest, the footnote
says) surely was with them.(Yeb. 60b)

[The Talmud says such three year and a day old girls are] . . . fit
for cohabitation. . .
But all women children, that have not known man by lying with him, it must
be concluded that Scripture speaks of one who is fit for cohabitation.
(Footnote to Yeb. 60b)

The example of Phineas, a priest, himself marrying an underage virgin of
three years is considered by the Talmud as proof that such infants are
"fit for cohabitation."

The Talmud teaches that an adult womans molestation of a nine year old
boy is "not a sexual act" and cannot "throw guilt" upon her because the
little boy is not truly a "man. 9

But they use opposite logic to sanction rape of little girls aged three
years and one day: Such infants they count as women," sexually mature and
fully responsible to comply with the requirements of marriage.

The Talmud footnotes 3 and 4 to Sanhedrin 55a clearly tell us when the
rabbis considered a boy and girl sexually mature and thus ready for
marriage.
"At nine years a male attains sexual matureness
The sexual matureness of woman is reached at the age of three."

No Rights for Child Victims

The Pharisees were hardly ignorant of the trauma felt by molested children.
To complicate redress, the Talmud says a rape victim must wait until she
was of age before there would be any possibility of restitution. She must
prove that she lived and would live as a devoted Jewess, and she must
protest the loss of her virginity on the very hour she comes of age. As
soon as she was of age one hour and did not
protest she cannot protest any more. 10

The Talmud defends these strict measures as necessary to forestall the
possibility of a Gentile child bride rebelling against Judaism and
spending the damages awarded to her as a heathen - an unthinkable
blasphemy!
But the rights of the little girl were really of no great consequence,
for, "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is
nothing, for when the girl is less than this (three years and a day) it is
as if one put the finger into the eye." The footnote says that as tears
come to the eye again and again, so does virginity come back to the little
girl under three years. 11

In most cases, the Talmud affirms the innocence of male and female victims
of pedophilia.
Defenders of the Talmud claim this proves the Talmud's amazing moral
advancement and benevolence toward children; they say it contrasts
favorably with "primitive" societies where the child would have been
stoned along with the adult perpetrator.

Actually, the rabbis, from self-protection, were intent on proving the
innocence of both parties involved in pedophilia: the child, but more
importantly, the pedophile.
They stripped a little boy of his right to "throw guilt" on his assailant
and demanded complicity in sex from a little girl. By thus providing no
significant moral or legal recourse for the child, the Talmud clearly
reveals whose side it is on: the raping rabbi.

Pedophilia Widespread

Child rape was practiced in the highest circles of Judaism. This is
illustrated from Yeb. 60b:

There was a certain town in the land of Israel the legitimacy of
whose inhabitants was disputed, and Rabbi sent R. Romanos who conducted an
inquiry and found in it the daughter of a proselyte who was under the age
of three years and one day, and Rabbi
declared her eligible to live with a priest.

The footnote says that she was married to a priest and the rabbi simply
permitted her to live with her husband, thus upholding halakah as well
as the dictum of Simeon ben Yohai,
A proselyte who is under the age of three years and one day is permitted
to marry a priest. 12

These child brides were expected to submit willingly to sex. Yeb. 12b
confirms that under eleven years and one day a little girl is not
permitted to use a contraceptive but must carry on her marital
intercourse in the usual manner.

In Sanhedrin 76b a blessing is given to the man who marries off his
children before they reach the age of puberty, with a contrasting curse on
anyone who waits longer. In fact, failure to have married off ones
daughter by the time she is 12-1/2, the Talmud says,
is as bad as one who returns a lost article to a Cuthean (Gentile) - a
deed for which the Lord will not spare him. 13

This passage says: it is meritorious to marry off ones children whilst
minors.

The mind reels at the damage to the untold numbers of girls who were
sexually abused within Judaism during the heyday of pedophilia. Such child
abuse, definitely practiced in the second century, continued, at least in
Babylon, for another 900 years.

A Fascination with Sex

Perusing the Talmud, one is overwhelmed with the recurrent preoccupation
with sex, especially by the most eminent rabbis. Dozens of illustrations
could be presented to illustrate the delight of the Pharisees to discuss
sex and quibble over its minutest details.

The rabbis endorsing child sex undoubtedly practiced what they preached.
Yet to this hour,their words are revered. Simeon ben Yohai is honored by
Orthodox Jews as one of the very greatest sages and spiritual lights the
world has ever known. A member of the earliest
"Tannaim," rabbis most influential in creating the Talmud, he carries more
authority to observant Jews than Moses.

Today, the Talmuds outspoken pedophiles and child-rape advocates would
doubtlessly spend hard time in prison for child molestation. Yet here is
what the eminent Jewish scholar,Dagobert Runes (who is fully aware of all
these passages), says about such dirty old men
and their perverted teachings:

There is no truth whatever in Christian and other strictures against
the Pharisees,who represented the finest traditions of their people and of
human morals. 14

Arent Christs words more appropriate?

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto
whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within
full of dead mens bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also
outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of
hypocrisy and iniquity. (Matthew 23:27, 28.)

[zarah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaMGGWU2c6M&feature=player_embedded
Muslim SLAVERY TODAY! Muslims Beat RAPE Little Children!



notes with video
Muslims are told that Africans "annoy the Prophet" (Ishaq 243), have hearts "grosser than a donkey" (Surah 9:61) and that blacks should be left to die if injured, and should be denied intercession and entrance to heaven (Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 52, Number 137).

Umm no. Surah 9 is 'Repentance'..the verse isn't about those who 'annoy' the Prophet, but about those that 'molest' the Prophet. It doesn't mention black people or Africans at all and doesn't talk about hearts that are grosser than anything. That hadith is talking about people who are a slave to money rather than submitting to God perishing.


Number 141 talks about giving to Charity and how charity sometimes isn't money but helping someone out.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2463598/Sahih-Bukhari-Vol-4




Muslims try and torture non-Muslims into becoming Muslims.

Factual evidence please.


Not every muslim is evil and some i've heard have even come to the aid of non-msulims who were being beaten in the streets but unfortunately they are the minority.


Evidence please.

s continue to commit these types of atrocities against non-Muslims everyday in other countries such as egypt, saudi arabia, iran, pakistan etc.

Evidence that a) this happens on a large scale (that means not a few isolated incidents) and b) that this happens because of Islamic tenets and not because a few people are as fundy about non-Muslims as you are about Muslims.

women and children have been raped & tortured by muslims because in their countries they get away with it. Saudi Arabia regularly beheads people caught practicing other religions.


Suadi is a western sanctioned hell-hole which practices an Islam which is as close to true Islam as you're close to the ability to intelligently debate.
The genocide has switched from southern Sudan to Darfur with oil revenues being used by the Islamic government to perpetuate genocide.

September 28, 2006A Sudanese 7 year old slave who was assigned to watch his Muslim master's camels was "crucified" when he was caught sneaking out to attend a Christian church, according to reports from Voice of the Martyrs.

The aid organization that helps persecuted Christians worldwide said the reports come from witnesses in the Sudan who were in contact with the youth, now about 15.

Damare Garang was seven when the attack happened, officials said. He had been captured by Islamic soldiers when his Sudanese village was attacked, and then sold as a slave to a Muslim family in Tuobon, Bahr el Gazel.

Awful things to happen. The world's full of awful things happening. If these kids were trying to get into England to take advantage of the welfare system, they'd become your enemies. The website shows them to be little more than a Muslim version who want to protect Muslim attacks and spread the Islamic word. Except when that happens they're an example of fundamentalism and when white people do it they're an example of humanity personified.

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1058745356#post1058745356)
Rules for men having sex with boys
Man-boy sex is institutionalised to the extent that the Islamic rulebook specifies who should and should not be the object of a man's amorous attentions. Apart from the requirement that the boy should be beardless (bacha bereesh), there are also some restrictions regarding family members.

From http://www.al-islam.org/laws/marriage1.html (http://www.al-islam.org/laws/marriage1.html)2414. * If a baligh person commits sodomy with a boy , the mother, sister and daughter of the boy become haraam for him. And the same law applies when the person on whom sodomy is committed is an adult male, or when the person committing sodomy is na-baligh. But if one suspects or doubts whether penetration occurred or not, then the said woman would not become haraam.

2415. * If a person marries the mother or sister of a boy, and commits sodomy with the boy after the marriage, as a precaution, they will become haraam for him.

In other words, if a Muslim dates a woman and finds her kid brother or son attractive, he must choose one or the other. He can't have both.


This as not long happened in my area with one cleric, it involves 70 children in 3 different mosques.
As many as that. Explains the beards too.

[jktruth]

I realised the truth long ago. All the Abrahamic religions are man-made instruments of control and Islam seems to me to be the most controlling of the lot.

You can spare me all the long cut and pastes about how certain selected verses out of the many thousands in the Koran foretold developments in science (as long as you take a massive leap of faith, clutch at straws and take a heavy dose of confirmation bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)). I've seen it all before, I wasn't impressed and you will only be proving that you know fuck-all about science (or Islam for that matter).

But believe whatever you want to believe, it's your life. As long as you don't interfere with my life, I won't interfere with yours. :)

who cuts and pastes? and i know everything there is to know about islam. the real islam, not what eternal spirit is trying to make it out to be.
wanna tell me something i dont know? your talking like you know it all.
bring some proof to the table cos your word means nothing.

[dreamweaver]

who cuts and pastes? and i know everything there is to know about islam. the real islam, not what eternal spirit is trying to make it out to be.
wanna tell me something i dont know? your talking like you know it all.
bring some proof to the table cos your word means nothing.

I'm really not that interested in what you claim to know or not know about your imaginary friend Allah or the gibberish that Mohammed dictated for his storybook. All I'm saying is that the Koran is not a science book, not by any stretch of the imagination (and neither is the Bible or similar works of fiction).

As for the "paedophile" stuff, to get back on topic for this thread, Mohammed was not doing anything that was unusual according to the customs of his people at that time. He was a product of his time, just like the religion he invented. I'm sure his ideology worked just fine for a desert warlord 1400 years ago - that doesn't mean that it is of any relevance to the modern world.

[jktruth]

I'm really not that interested in what you claim to know or not know about your imaginary friend Allah or the gibberish that Mohammed dictated for his storybook. All I'm saying is that the Koran is not a science book, .

say no more.
like i said, your word means nothing.

as for the topic, paediphilia is not condoned in islam. buy yourself a Quran and search for a verse that says you should have sex with children. you will be searching for a very long time my friend. you say muhammad sallalahu alayhi wassalam invented islam, i disagree. islam has been the religion since the first human life. muhammad sallalahu alayhi wassalam was just given the last revelation.

[dreamweaver]

as for the topic, paediphilia is not condoned in islam. buy yourself a Quran and search for a verse that says you should have sex with children. you will be searching for a very long time my friend.
If you read what I actually said, you'll find we are in agreement on that. Mohammed was not doing anything that was outside the custom and practice of his people at that time.

you say muhammad sallalahu alayhi wassalam invented islam, i disagree. islam has been the religion since the first human life. muhammad sallalahu alayhi wassalam was just given the last revelation.

So Islam was "the religion" before it was even founded. :rolleyes:

Two can play at that game...

The trouble with your statement is that really the entire universe was spontaneously created by a cat called Felix five years ago. Felix spontaneously created himself and then invented everything else that exists, including the universe and even your Allah and your religion. You may think the universe may be older than five years because you can remember things from longer ago than that - but that is only because Felix implanted false memories into you.

You can't disprove any of this, therefore it is true. All hail Felix. :)

[jktruth]

wow.

what an idiot.

tryna look smart/ patronizing, really not working mate.

[jktruth]

na lemme take that back.

i apologise for insulting you, but you insulted me first by patronizing all muslims. lets see if you can lower your ego for 10mins and watch this.
http://divinebook.technocrazed.com/episode-9-proof-that-al thats why yeah i believe islam was the truth before it was founded.

but at the end of the day if you want to believe that this magnificent universe and all things just right within it are all here because of an accident. and the prophets were either manipulative control freaks or severly skitzofrenic, then that is your choice.

the illuminati have created and imposed a new secular order by the way, just thought you should know.

[dreamweaver]

wow.

what an idiot.
Wow, calling people names instead of offering a logical counter-argument. The sure sign of someone who has already lost the argument.

tryna look smart/ patronizing, really not working mate.

I could play fang boy's game here and keep posting the same old shite over and over again, while demanding that you prove Felix the Cat isn't the true Creator. The whole point of that little story is that it, like all religions, is a Falsifiability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://www.venganza.org/) is a more elaborate version of the same thing. It's the best religion of all - all the FSM's followers get to dress like pirates and His heaven is way better than yours. You may get 72 virgins (who are probably virgins for a very good reason, but they don't tell you that until you get there) but in the FSM heaven there is a beer volcano and a stripper factory. Top that. :cool:

[zarah]

If you read what I actually said, you'll find we are in agreement on that. Mohammed was not doing anything that was outside the custom and practice of his people at that time.

There's a different between saying Islam doesn't condone paedophillia and stating that Muhammed wasn't acting outside the cultural practices of his time.

Historians, who aren't usually interested in reinforcing a religious text, agree that there were five indications that a girl who was nearing the end of what they considered puberty, was ready to consummate marriage and that was around 15. Obviously that wasn't always the case, girls mature at different speeds, but in general it was around 15.

Marriage in 7th c ME was an agreement which didn't take into account romanticisms which we attribute to wedlock in western society today, and was for reasons such as charity, entwining two families, forming a relationship between two tribes or marrying a slave after a battle who the man wanted to take as his wife.

So Islam was "the religion" before it was even founded. :rolleyes:

The Quran states that it is the 'perfection' of the two religious texts which came before it - The Torah and what we now know as the New Testament, so logically thinking - yes, it was a religion before the Quran came along. In Arabic Islam simply means 'submission', and the word finds its semitic roots in 'slem' which means to be complete.

Two can play at that game...

The trouble with your statement is that really the entire universe was spontaneously created by a cat called Felix five years ago. Felix spontaneously created himself and then invented everything else that exists, including the universe and even your Allah and your religion. You may think the universe may be older than five years because you can remember things from longer ago than that - but that is only because Felix implanted false memories into you.

You can't disprove any of this, therefore it is true. All hail Felix. :)

And that's where faith kicks in, no?

[zarah]

The Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://www.venganza.org/) is a more elaborate version of the same thing. It's the best religion of all - all the FSM's followers get to dress like pirates and His heaven is way better than yours. You may get 72 virgins (who are probably virgins for a very good reason, but they don't tell you that until you get there) but in the FSM heaven there is a beer volcano and a stripper factory. Top that. :cool:

Actually, that hadith is extremely weak and generally not accepted as authentic like others from the same book.

[energi]

say no more.
like i said, your word means nothing.

islam has been the religion since the first human life.
"My dedication for my religion makes it difficult to live in the [country's] society, and not infrequently do I directly insulted. An absolute rule in my religion is to have a bowler hat on his head to protect me from evil forces that would otherwise penetrate through my skull and make me become one of Bulibubas dark followers. Wearing bowler is also a sign of my devotion and blind obedience to the Creator and a stance against Bulibuba.

My bowler is the most visible and conspicuous attribute of the members of my religion. Another physically quilts is that I had to cover my calves and arms with clothing, usually this is done with a sweat underwear, which is in summer time has a pair of shorts and T-shirt.

Throughout my time as religiously active as I have been intimidated and prevented from exercising my faith. Eg I had to take off my bowler hat at school. The worst, however, was something that was done for no mandate since the bathhouse. I swam in my underwear and sweat plum peak when two guards quickly came up to me and shouted aggressively that we should not bathe with clothes. I went up and explained that my faith demanded that attire and I felt my own access to the swimming pool as everyone else. They did not care a second, and drove me out and flatly declared that I am not longer welcome.

I thought that all people in [country] would be able to utilize the same facilities but apparently I was wrong. Since I have been deeply offended and hurt samtididgt I have been banned from visiting the swimming pool only because I have a certain faith, I wonder if I can report this to the DO and require replacement.

[And this is the only true Religious path, that has been from the dawn of time? LLLLOOOOLLLL]


;)

[dreamweaver]

There's a different between saying Islam doesn't condone paedophillia and stating that Muhammed wasn't acting outside the cultural practices of his time.
True, but the point is that whether Aisha was nine years or older (depending on which scholars you believe) when Mohammed consummated his marriage to her, Mohammed was not doing anything wrong by the standards of his day and therefore it is wrong to label him a "paedophile" just because the standards of then don't agree with contemporary standards.

And that's where faith kicks in, no?

Absolutely! It's all about faith. And in my experience, when people have to resort to finding dubious "scientific proof" to bolster their faith, then they are demonstrating a rather hollow faith. Faith does not require such shallow "proof", faith simply "is".

[eternal_spirit]

Problem is Muhammad was into little girls, Aishya was 6 when he married her and 9 when he had sex with her (consumated the marriage) and a proper Muslim should emulate and copy his behaviour.

This is why Child brides are on going today. Which is peadophilia.

So this is what he must have been doing for the 3 years inbetween.




Thighing of children
Mohammed married Ayesha when she was six, but as she was too small to consumate, he practised the sacred rite of Mufa' Khathat (http://islamreview.blogspot.com/2006/01/aisha-ayesha-child-wife-of-muhammad.html) (otherwise known as 'thighing' (http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Islamic-sexual-perversion.htm)) whereby he rubbed himself between the tops of her thighs, but did not enter, until she was nine.

When he climaxed at the end of his thighing sessions, he came all over his clothes, so he gave little Ayesha the job of washing them.


"Rub a dub dub, put my clothes in a tub"

From Bukhari (http://lexicorient.com/e.o/texts/bukhari/004.htm)

231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "

232:
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

233:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

What a nice job for a little girl!


Following the Perfect example from the Perfect Man
Now since Mohammed is 'the perfect man (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/bat-yeor-in-new-york-.html)' and role model for all Muslims, (http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2007/11/invasion-of-psychopathic-mobots.html) he set a precedent which allows all Muslim men to perform Mufa'Khathat on children younger than nine, and to have full sex from nine onwards.

Ayatollah Khomeini, generally regarded as one of the leading Muslims of the twentieth century, wrote (http://www.homa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=104&Itemid=58) "A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister."

Being a devout man who practised what be preached, the Ayatollah had a 'fling' with a four year old girl, as related in 'Hal Ataaka Hadeeth ur-Raafidah?' by the late Sheikh Abu Mus'abaz-Zarqaawi: (http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2007/01/ayatollah-khomeinis-fling-with-four.html)

"When it was time to sleep, the guests had all left, except for the inhabitants of the house. Al-Khomeini laid his eyes on a young girl who, despite being only four or five years of age, was very beautiful.

So, the Imam requested from her father, Sayyid Sahib, that he spend the night with her in order to enjoy her. Her father happily agreed, and Imam al-Khomeini spent the night with the girl in his arms, and we could hear her crying and screaming.'”


Brave women's rights campaigner Madam Ghada denounces thighing (towards end of interview)

[dreamweaver]

Problem is Muhammad was into little girls, Aishya was 6 when he married her and 9 when he had sex with her (consumated the marriage) and a proper Muslim should emulate and copy his behaviour.

This is why Child brides are on going today. Which is peadophilia. [sic]

Do you know what paedophilia actually is?

It is a sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. Girls hit puberty rather later in the 21st century than they did in Mohammed's day. It was not unusual for girls to have reached puberty by nine years old back then - and in the prevailing culture of that day, it was acceptable to marry girls who had reached puberty (you'll find the same applied in Christian England, if you do a bit of research).

And for that matter, paedophilia is a sexual attraction to children. There are paedophiles who have never acted on those urges - the ones who do so are child molesters. And there are child molesters who have no particular sexual attraction to children, they just enjoy the power trip over a minor.

I realise that the meaning of the term has become confused because of dumbed-down tabloids but if you do a little research, you'll find your argument that Muslims are paedophiles because Mohammed consummated his marriage to a nine-year-old girl (and there is disagreement among Islamic scholars about that) is somewhat flawed.

If there are modern-day Muslims applying those norms to girls in the UK of the present day then yes, there is a case to be answered. But slandering an entire people because of Mohammed following the cultural practices of his time is not really on.

[eternal_spirit]

Beating, Raping & Killing Children for Allah - The Beslan Massacre


http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/11/as-my-readers-know-i-have-recently-written-several-blogs-see-next-post-regarding-the-use-of-rape-as-a-form-of-islamic-terr.html

[energi]

Do you know what paedophilia actually is?

It is a sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. Girls hit puberty rather later in the 21st century than they did in Mohammed's day. It was not unusual for girls to have reached puberty by nine years old back then - and in the prevailing culture of that day, it was acceptable to marry girls who had reached puberty (you'll find the same applied in Christian England, if you do a bit of research).

And for that matter, paedophilia is a sexual attraction to children. There are paedophiles who have never acted on those urges - the ones who do so are child molesters. And there are child molesters who have no particular sexual attraction to children, they just enjoy the power trip over a minor.

I realise that the meaning of the term has become confused because of dumbed-down tabloids but if you do a little research, you'll find your argument that Muslims are paedophiles because Mohammed consummated his marriage to a nine-year-old girl (and there is disagreement among Islamic scholars about that) is somewhat flawed.

If there are modern-day Muslims applying those norms to girls in the UK of the present day then yes, there is a case to be answered. But slandering an entire people because of Mohammed following the cultural practices of his time is not really on.
+1

[scooby85]

Do you know what paedophilia actually is?

It is a sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. Girls hit puberty rather later in the 21st century than they did in Mohammed's day. It was not unusual for girls to have reached puberty by nine years old back then - and in the prevailing culture of that day, it was acceptable to marry girls who had reached puberty (you'll find the same applied in Christian England, if you do a bit of research).

And for that matter, paedophilia is a sexual attraction to children. There are paedophiles who have never acted on those urges - the ones who do so are child molesters. And there are child molesters who have no particular sexual attraction to children, they just enjoy the power trip over a minor.

I realise that the meaning of the term has become confused because of dumbed-down tabloids but if you do a little research, you'll find your argument that Muslims are paedophiles because Mohammed consummated his marriage to a nine-year-old girl (and there is disagreement among Islamic scholars about that) is somewhat flawed.

If there are modern-day Muslims applying those norms to girls in the UK of the present day then yes, there is a case to be answered. But slandering an entire people because of Mohammed following the cultural practices of his time is not really on.

+2

[scooby85]

Problem is Muhammad was into little girls, Aishya was 6 when he married her and 9 when he had sex with her (consumated the marriage) and a proper Muslim should emulate and copy his behaviour.

This is why Child brides are on going today. Which is peadophilia.

So this is what he must have been doing for the 3 years inbetween.




Thighing of children
Mohammed married Ayesha when she was six, but as she was too small to consumate, he practised the sacred rite of Mufa' Khathat (http://islamreview.blogspot.com/2006/01/aisha-ayesha-child-wife-of-muhammad.html) (otherwise known as 'thighing' (http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Islamic-sexual-perversion.htm)) whereby he rubbed himself between the tops of her thighs, but did not enter, until she was nine.

When he climaxed at the end of his thighing sessions, he came all over his clothes, so he gave little Ayesha the job of washing them.


"Rub a dub dub, put my clothes in a tub"

From Bukhari (http://lexicorient.com/e.o/texts/bukhari/004.htm)

231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "

232:
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

233:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.

What a nice job for a little girl!


Following the Perfect example from the Perfect Man
Now since Mohammed is 'the perfect man (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/bat-yeor-in-new-york-.html)' and role model for all Muslims, (http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2007/11/invasion-of-psychopathic-mobots.html) he set a precedent which allows all Muslim men to perform Mufa'Khathat on children younger than nine, and to have full sex from nine onwards.

Ayatollah Khomeini, generally regarded as one of the leading Muslims of the twentieth century, wrote (http://www.homa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=104&Itemid=58) "A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister."

Being a devout man who practised what be preached, the Ayatollah had a 'fling' with a four year old girl, as related in 'Hal Ataaka Hadeeth ur-Raafidah?' by the late Sheikh Abu Mus'abaz-Zarqaawi: (http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2007/01/ayatollah-khomeinis-fling-with-four.html)

"When it was time to sleep, the guests had all left, except for the inhabitants of the house. Al-Khomeini laid his eyes on a young girl who, despite being only four or five years of age, was very beautiful.

So, the Imam requested from her father, Sayyid Sahib, that he spend the night with her in order to enjoy her. Her father happily agreed, and Imam al-Khomeini spent the night with the girl in his arms, and we could hear her crying and screaming.'”


Brave women's rights campaigner Madam Ghada denounces thighing (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x335ek_madam-ghada-denounces-the-thighing)(towards end of interview)

And you know it was due to 'thighing' and not anything else like a wet dream or over excitement because...

Oh yeah I forgot you there, i do apologise

If you wernt so thick youd know this hadith is telling us that water is good enough to clean semen, as you need to be pure and clean when doing prayers.

two words DICK HEAD

[eternal_spirit]

two words DICK HEAD
Five words - Muslim Apologist for Islamic peadophilia.
* Al-Qaeda and child porn (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023154.php)

[zarah]

Five words - Muslim Apologist for Islamic peadophilia.
* Al-Qaeda and child porn (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023154.php)

One word - ignorant

[eternal_spirit]

Teenage Afghan girl enslaved and sexually abused… in the U.S. (http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023141.php)

That's not all: She was forced at the age of 13 to marry a 37-year-old -- child marriage, of course, being after Muhammad's own example (http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021524.php). "Afghan girl enslaved in U.S., indictment alleges," from the Associated Press (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/17/slave.girl.ap/index.html), October 17:SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- Five Afghan immigrants enslaved a teenage girl they brought to the United States, with some forcing her to do chores and one beating and sexually assaulting her, according to a federal indictment unsealed this week.The girl is from an impoverished single-parent home in Afghanistan, and she was informally adopted by another family there that forced her to marry at age 13 in 2005, Emily Langlie, a spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney's office, said Thursday.The girl's 37-year-old husband is Mohammad Atahee, a friend of the adoptive family; U.S. officials don't recognize the marriage.Atahee and three of the family's members were already living in the south Seattle suburbs when the girl's adoptive mother, Nasima Yousuf, 70, brought her from Afghanistan in 2006, as part of what prosecutors say was a plot to enslave her. Yousuf's husband, Mohammad, 84, had filed an immigration petition to bring the girl to the U.S., claiming his wife was her biological mother.Once in the country, the girl, identified only as JV1, was forced to live with Atahee, who beat her and sexually assaulted her, the indictment said. She was forced to spend at least three days a week at the Auburn, Washington, home of Maruf Yousufi, 42, and his wife, Nahid, 29 -- caring for their children, doing laundry, cooking and cleaning. Maruf Yousufi is Mohammad Yousuf's son.The girl escaped after some good Samaritans helped her report Atahee to the police in January 2008 for sexual assault, prosecutors said. Since then, she's been at a safe house, but they won't say where.She also called police in August 2006 to report her case, but Nahid Yousufi threatened her and persuaded her to recant the allegations, the indictment said.All five defendants are charged in U.S. District Court with one count of conspiracy to engage in forced labor, and the Yousufs also face a visa fraud charge for allegedly lying on immigration applications.Atahee and Mohammad Yousuf pleaded not guilty, while the others did not enter pleas during their initial court appearances Wednesday. Atahee and the Yousufis were detained pending further hearings, while the Yousufs were released pending trial, set for December 23.Several of their lawyers did not return calls Thursday or said they could not comment. Ralph Hurvitz, who represents Mohammad Yousuf, said he didn't know anything about the case beyond what the indictment said, and that his client doesn't speak English.All the defendants have legal status in the U.S., Langlie said. The girl, however, does not, because of the Yousufs' alleged lies on immigration applications. She could stay in the country by obtaining a visa for victims of human trafficking.

[eternal_spirit]

Article from

http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk...l/article.html (http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/Imam-accused-child-sex-offences/article-1819964-detail/article.html)

THE imam of a Stoke-on-Trent mosque has appeared before a court accused of committing serious sexual offences with two young boys.
Mohammed Hanif Khan, aged 41, is a leader at the Capper Street Mosque, in Tunstall. Yesterday he appeared before North Staffordshire Magistrates' Court, sitting in Fenton, to be charged with five offences.
The defendant is accused of the attempted rape and sexual assault of a 15-year-old boy in Meir last year.
He is further accused of three counts of rape on a boy under the age of 13 last year in Tunstall.
Prior to outlining the prosecution case to the magistrates, prosecutor Paul Moore said: "This is a very sensitive case.
http://iad.anm.co.uk/house/1x1.GIF

"He is an imam at the Capper Street, Mosque, in Tunstall. He commands enormous power and respect in the community.
"Not only is he a figure of respect in this area, but he is a figure of respect outside this area because of his teachings."
As the charges were read and a brief outline of the facts given to the court, Khan, who wore a white shirt and black suit, listened intently from the dock in court one.
Mr Moore asked the court to remand the defendant, who gave his address as Bardsley Close, Ellesmere Port, in custody.
Emma Wiseman, defending, told the magistrates that the allegations against her client were denied.
She said Khan had been on bail for some considerable time while the matters had been investigated.
Miss Wiseman said the defendant had co-operated with the police and complied with bail conditions.
The case lasted for 35 minutes and Khan was remanded in custody to appear at Stoke-on-Trent Crown Court for a preliminary hearing there on February 15.
According to his website, Khan became the first ever full-time Islamic Minister in the history of the British prison service in 2001.
He further progressed in introducing and setting up religious initiatives by becoming the first Muslim and non-Christian multi-faith co-ordinator of the British prison service in 2003.
In 2004 he visited Buckingham Palace to receive a Butlers' Trust Award from Princess Anne for his work in multi-faith and diversity.
He is patron and founder of Hizb ur Rasool (HUR), a charity dealing with youth issues and the propagation of Islam.
In 2008, the imam was among a group of business and community leaders drawn together to transform politics in Stoke-on-Trent.
He was appointed to the Governance Transition Board, a body tasked with making radical changes to the way the city is run.


http://www.faithfreedom.org/islam/im...d-sex-offences (http://www.faithfreedom.org/islam/imam-accused-child-sex-offences)

[eternal_spirit]

An 11-year-old girl has been set on fire by a relative in India's northern city of Jaipur for wearing lipstick and being inappropriately dressed.
Police say the girl suffered burns over 90 per cent of her body and her chances of survival are bleak.
They've arrested her great uncle who allegedly poured kerosene on the girl and set her alight yesterday.
Investigators say the 55-year-old man, a conservative Muslim, told the police he was enraged at the girl wearing lipstick and being scantily dressed.
But relatives have accused the man of trying to molest the girl and setting her on fire when she objected.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/girl-set-alight-for-wearing-lipstick/2008/10/19/1224351021747.html
READERS COMMENT BELOW

We are just fed up with muslims who are trying to force their backward cultures onto Europe and the West. If you want to find pedophiles look for male muslims. If you want to see a homophobic society look at all islamic societies, and if you want to find a rapist look for a muslim man!!

A very large number of women are raped on a regular basis by muslim thugs who do it because they believe they are allowed to !

In Iran youths as young as 16 are being executed for supposedly being gay. In Saudi Arabia non-arab youths are raped on a regular basis by the Saudi male while Saudi men also rape their asian female house-helpers AND THEN HAVE THEM EXECUTED WHEN THEY FALL PREGNANT.

The world white – slave center has now moved to Dubai – there you will find hundreds of asian and european women who have been brought to the middle east on false pretences, had their passports taken away, and then forced to work as prostitutes. AND YOU CALL US RACISTS!!!!!

Dont believe the crap that muslims tell you – do your own research and you will find that the problem with Islam is Islam.

And as for the 11 year girl – rather then berate us you should have at least wished her a chance (you used her misfortune as a vehicle for an uneducated attack against the people who read this site and one should NEVER use the pain of another for self gain) – I will pray for her – I hope she lives but with 90% burns I think that her chances are not good – but people have survived before with this medical condition – she is young and strong – and there is no telling what a determined spirit can do – I hope she wins this fight.

She was attacked by a Muslim male in a region very close to where I used to live and what happened to her is NOT uncommon. And she was attacked because she was strong enough to tell this muslim male no to its sexual advances.

This alone means she is a courageous young woman because from where she comes women have absolutely no rights and are treated as property by the ignorant and criminal muslim male. The man is just another muslim in the image of mohammed (ExcrementBUH).

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/10/19/muslim-sets-girl-alight-for-wearing-lipstick/

[thebigragoo]

One word - ignorant

Three letters UAF

[thebigragoo]

Do you know what paedophilia actually is?

It is a sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children. Girls hit puberty rather later in the 21st century than they did in Mohammed's day. It was not unusual for girls to have reached puberty by nine years old back then - and in the prevailing culture of that day, it was acceptable to marry girls who had reached puberty (you'll find the same applied in Christian England, if you do a bit of research).

And for that matter, paedophilia is a sexual attraction to children. There are paedophiles who have never acted on those urges - the ones who do so are child molesters. And there are child molesters who have no particular sexual attraction to children, they just enjoy the power trip over a minor.

I realise that the meaning of the term has become confused because of dumbed-down tabloids but if you do a little research, you'll find your argument that Muslims are paedophiles because Mohammed consummated his marriage to a nine-year-old girl (and there is disagreement among Islamic scholars about that) is somewhat flawed.

If there are modern-day Muslims applying those norms to girls in the UK of the present day then yes, there is a case to be answered. But slandering an entire people because of Mohammed following the cultural practices of his time is not really on.

it still goes on today.

[zarah]

Three letters UAF

I'm not playing Countdown.

[thebigragoo]

I'm not playing Countdown.

Nope not intelligent enough

[zarah]

Nope not intelligent enough

Unlike that response of which intelligece and wit seeped through every phoneme.

[thebigragoo]

Unlike that response of which intelligece and wit seeped through every phoneme.

yr an enemy of free speech and death is to good for you

[eternal_spirit]

I'm not playing Countdown.
:D
Unite Aganist Fascism, those communist fascist like thugs who side with Sharia law mongers like Islam4UK and other Muslim groups too attack the indigenous British people.

Sponsered, state funded and condoned by the war mongering Lib/lab/con Government and ahost of other dodgy groups...justice will be served soon.

I could go on and educacte you about the realities of these traitors. Although I think you're aware I am onto them on another thread..

[scooby85]

Five words - Muslim Apologist for Islamic peadophilia.
* Al-Qaeda and child porn (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023154.php)

typical u.. lose an argument, ignore the issue and overload with more copy and paste.. lose that argument, ignore it, make another bullshit copy and paste story etc etc

al qiada?!? is that the best you can do? If you think they represent islam then your a retard, if islam (quran) allows child porn of any kind i would like you tp prove it.. oops forgot u cant cos ur a liar

gotta admit tho ur quite funny for a dickhead :D

[scooby85]

Teenage Afghan girl enslaved and sexually abused… in the U.S. (http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/023141.php)

That's not all: She was forced at the age of 13 to marry a 37-year-old -- child marriage, of course, being after Muhammad's own example (http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/021524.php). "Afghan girl enslaved in U.S., indictment alleges," from the Associated Press (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/17/slave.girl.ap/index.html), October 17:SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- Five Afghan immigrants enslaved a teenage girl they brought to the United States, with some forcing her to do chores and one beating and sexually assaulting her, according to a federal indictment unsealed this week.The girl is from an impoverished single-parent home in Afghanistan, and she was informally adopted by another family there that forced her to marry at age 13 in 2005, Emily Langlie, a spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney's office, said Thursday.The girl's 37-year-old husband is Mohammad Atahee, a friend of the adoptive family; U.S. officials don't recognize the marriage.Atahee and three of the family's members were already living in the south Seattle suburbs when the girl's adoptive mother, Nasima Yousuf, 70, brought her from Afghanistan in 2006, as part of what prosecutors say was a plot to enslave her. Yousuf's husband, Mohammad, 84, had filed an immigration petition to bring the girl to the U.S., claiming his wife was her biological mother.Once in the country, the girl, identified only as JV1, was forced to live with Atahee, who beat her and sexually assaulted her, the indictment said. She was forced to spend at least three days a week at the Auburn, Washington, home of Maruf Yousufi, 42, and his wife, Nahid, 29 -- caring for their children, doing laundry, cooking and cleaning. Maruf Yousufi is Mohammad Yousuf's son.The girl escaped after some good Samaritans helped her report Atahee to the police in January 2008 for sexual assault, prosecutors said. Since then, she's been at a safe house, but they won't say where.She also called police in August 2006 to report her case, but Nahid Yousufi threatened her and persuaded her to recant the allegations, the indictment said.All five defendants are charged in U.S. District Court with one count of conspiracy to engage in forced labor, and the Yousufs also face a visa fraud charge for allegedly lying on immigration applications.Atahee and Mohammad Yousuf pleaded not guilty, while the others did not enter pleas during their initial court appearances Wednesday. Atahee and the Yousufis were detained pending further hearings, while the Yousufs were released pending trial, set for December 23.Several of their lawyers did not return calls Thursday or said they could not comment. Ralph Hurvitz, who represents Mohammad Yousuf, said he didn't know anything about the case beyond what the indictment said, and that his client doesn't speak English.All the defendants have legal status in the U.S., Langlie said. The girl, however, does not, because of the Yousufs' alleged lies on immigration applications. She could stay in the country by obtaining a visa for victims of human trafficking.




there he goes with his bullshit c/p jobs, u clown i almost feel sorry for u...

if you can back any of this up with quranic texts youd have an argument, ur just a fool plain and simple

[pert]

:D
Unite Aganist Fascism, those communist fascist like thugs who side with Sharia law mongers like Islam4UK and other Muslim groups too attack the indigenous British people.

Sponsered, state funded and condoned by the war mongering Lib/lab/con Government and ahost of other dodgy groups...justice will be served soon.

I could go on and educacte you about the realities of these traitors. Although I think you're aware I am onto them on another thread..

Strange that Unite Against Fascism join forces with Muslim groups - usually Nazis and Muslim supremacists get on quite well, what with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, the pro Nazi uprising in Iraq, Bosnian Muslim Wehrmacht divisions, the Nation of Islam's links with neo-nazi groups...

[lcr123]

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm

[zarah]

yr an enemy of free speech and death is to good for you

Ahhh...you don't have the intelligece or vocabulary to structure a coherent paragraph so your debating skills extend to little more than sentence strings of 10 words max and vacuous, puerile retorts. You're a proper winner.

[dragon fang]

yr an enemy of free speech and death is to good for you

This is one of the posts where you can't do anything but laugh

[zarah]

:D
Unite Aganist Fascism, those communist fascist like thugs who side with Sharia law mongers like Islam4UK and other Muslim groups too attack the indigenous British people.

Sponsered, state funded and condoned by the war mongering Lib/lab/con Government and ahost of other dodgy groups...justice will be served soon.

I could go on and educacte you about the realities of these traitors. Although I think you're aware I am onto them on another thread..

1. Controlling tools are the same no matter what guise they appear in,

2. Understand that your are operating on the whim of another controlling tool - the BNP.

3. I have no idea what you are doing on other threads unless I happen upon a post copy pasted by you, and even then it gets scant reading.

4. Frankfurt School of Subversion - research.

[wisdomgirl]

http://www.islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/pedophilia-in-islam/pedophilia-islam.htm

Islam isn't the only religion that has a peodophile problem, lets not forget judaism has a problem with it, some part of judaism says it's fine to have sex with children and many rabbis have been caught. The christian catholic church also has it's problems, all belief systems has some sort of negative connotation in regards to peodophilia.

[lcr123]

not being funny or anything but the age difference issue between couples in a hetrosexual marriage is just human opinion, it does not mean you're right, it's just what you're brought up to think. people have been socialised with different opinions throughout the ages, i personally believe that a hetrosexual couple can get married etc. as soon as they hit puberty, the age of maturity.

[peace3000]

The OP really needs to leave the hate behind.

[eternal_spirit]

The OP really needs to leave the hate behind.
Islam is the hater. I have exposed Islamic hatred and exposed some people on this thread with their off topic rants and personal attacks.

[zarah]

Islam is the hater. I have exposed Islamic hatred and exposed some people on this thread with their off topic rants and personal attacks.

Yes. And your altruistic actions are rewarded with another suspension. Oh, the injustice!

[pert]

Strange that Unite Against Fascism join forces with Muslim groups - usually Nazis and Muslim supremacists get on quite well, what with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, the pro Nazi uprising in Iraq, Bosnian Muslim Wehrmacht divisions, the Nation of Islam's links with neo-nazi groups...

www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com

[thesloth]

http://www.islam-watch.org/Amarkhan/pedophilia-in-islam/pedophilia-islam.htm

I'm tempted to ask about pedophilia in Christianity.

[eternal_spirit]

I'm tempted to ask about pedophilia in Christianity.
have look around there's like about 500 threads about it.

[logos]

Thanks Eternal Spirit for taking the time (and abuse) to post your well-informed and factual material. Its sad that so many haters and ignoramuses here are content to try and shout down the truth with smears and personal abuse.
Still sadder that many of these ill-informed bigots like to view themselves as sophisticated 'liberals' with open minds when their default position is censorship, abuse, name-calling etc or pseudo-intelligent and 'sensitive' comments designed to marginalise the truth and stop themselves from having to take sides.
The question is: why do so many 'good' people (in their own minds) line up alongside murderers, paedophiles, torturers etc?

[eternal_spirit]

You're very welcome Logos and can see it for what it is.

[eternal_spirit]

Saudi Arabia’s senior most cleric ok’s pedophelia

by Infidelesto (http://infidelsarecool.com/author/admin/) on January 14, 2009 · View comments (http://infidelsarecool.disqus.com/?url=http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/01/14/saudi-arabias-senior-most-cleric-oks-pedophelia/)Comments (http://infidelsarecool.com/2009/01/14/saudi-arabias-senior-most-cleric-oks-pedophelia/#disqus_thread)


Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1115624/Its-injustice-NOT-marry-girls-aged-10-says-Saudi-cleric.html)
http://infidelsarecool.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/saudi-cleric.jpg (http://infidelsarecool.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/saudi-cleric.jpg)
Saudi Arabia’s most senior cleric has told followers it is permissible for ten-year-old girls to marry and anyone who think they are too young are doing the youngsters ‘an injustice’.
Abdul-Azeez ibn Abdullaah Aal ash-Shaikh, the country’s grand mufti, said: ‘It is wrong to say it’s not permitted to marry off girls who are 15 and younger.
‘A female who is ten or 12 is marriageable and those who think she’s too young are wrong and are being unfair to her,’ he said during a Monday lecture.
Al Sheikh’s comments come at a time when Saudi human rights groups have been pushing the government to put an end to marriages involving the very young and to define a minimum age for marriage.
In the past few months, Saudi newspapers have highlighted several cases in which young girls were married off to much older men or very young boys.

[eternal_spirit]

Muslim Man on Muslim Boy Love (http://thechroniclesofislam.blogspot.com/2009/12/muslim-man-on-muslim-boy-love.html)



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LjkTcIrZHko/SxZY34JbcVI/AAAAAAAAAts/qrj3lSmKWpo/s1600/mullah-kissing-boy2.jpg

This subject is close to the hearts of many Muslims, and so, I feel it is my responsiblity to explain what is acceptable in an Islamic context of man on boy love.

First let us begin with the ETERNAL promises of Allah as provided by the Messenger:

Quran 52:24

"..Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, young male servants (handsome) as Pearls well-guarded..."

Also in Surah 76:19 Allah promises fresh youths to Muslim men:

"...And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls..."

Before we begin, you have to understand is that Western, man-made legal systems, (that have no basis in truth, because they are not sanctioned by Allah), put all the stress on the protection of the weaker members of the society, especially women and children. However, this is the first fallacy of man-made laws.

Infidels put stress on on protecting those that cannot wage Jihad, and have little use to Allah other than making babies and serving Muslim men.

Whereas in the case of the Islamic legal system it is the opposite. Allah has rightfully created the Islamic legal system (Sharia) to benefit those that fight in his name, namely Sharia is in the service of strong virile, productive men. Allah is merciful as he is gernerous in bestowing rights and the bounty of pleasures for those that fight in his Jihad.

In the verses about the beautiful youth of paradise, he nurtured in Muslims, a liking for sodomizing young boys. (see the Quranic quotes at the top of this post). All Muslims know that homosexuality is forbidden, however, we also know that this infraction is less serious than fornication with an unwed girl.

As you see Allah likened the young boys to pearls, in the same way as he did with Houris, pearl in Arabic poetry is a feminine sexual symbol. Islam considers boys and women as of the same gender hence a woman is considered a minor all her life in Islam (first she is the property of her father, then, her husband, and finally her son).

A woman is never considered an "adult" in the Western sense. Thus the confusion. However the feminine status of a boy is temporary and it ends with growing a beard. Islam does not consider it as sexual abuse but rather a mere PLAY as described in the following hadeeth, narrated by Bukhari.

What you must understand is the mercy of Allah and his Messenger, because if a Muslim man sodomizes a young boy, is not permitted to marry his mother. See this hadith at: The Sahih Collection of al-Bukhari - Book of Marriage - SunniPath ...

"...As for whom ever plays with a boy: if there is full penetration, then he shall not marry his mother..."

With the JUSTICE that Islam affords, I think it is pretty clear that no crime in the eyes of Allah has been committed, but the pleasure that a brave Muslim warrior has received from a young boy is the will of Allah! Look to the famous Islamic scholar and Jurist Imam ibn al-Jawzi (died 1200) said boldly : "He who claims that he experiences no sexual desire when looking at beautiful young boys is a liar."

Indeed, this pederasty is a practice that has been in place for 1400 years with Allah's blessing. However, you will see that there are Western forces out to malign and insult Islam, and in the endless oppression, infidels are trying to put an end to that which Allah has permitted.


Recently, in Pakistan there were over 500 cases of Islamic man on boy love "reported" (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4084951.stm)(probably by Apostate Muslims and their co-conspirators Westerners) in Islamic schools, and this was revealed by Aamer Liaquat Hussain, a minister in the religious affairs Pakistani Minister. This is on top of the 2000 reports last year. (Thankfully, no pious Islamic brother has been successfully prosecuted by these man-made laws). Rightfully, this slanderer of Islam and the practices of the Messenger and that which Allah has made halal, has received death threats from clerics, and infuriated some religious political leaders.

Moreover, Islamic leaders recently at a parliamentary meeting, have demanded he apologize for insulting Islam!
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Thus, we can see with the endless evidence found both in the holy texts of Islam and the religious convictions of those in positions of power within the Islamic society.

If there is no beard. It is not a man. Therefore it is not homosexuality, and totally within the rights of a Muslim man to take little boys, sodomize them and use them in the manner that Allah has pre-ordained.

[lcr123]

age difference is a matter of human opinion, not based upon any scientific fact, it changes throughout time, in different countires the consent age for sex is different e.g in england it's 16, in other countries it is 12 years of age, age difference opinions also change within time, who knows in the future it may be illegal for even a 21 year old to have sex without consent.