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willnotbesilenced

23-03-2010, 08:45 AM

Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip ? ? ? ? ?[/B]

There's a pretty starling thing in the bill that 95% of Americans won't like.

[B]The Obama Health care bill under Class II (Paragraph 1, Section B) specifically includes ‘‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable." Then on page 1004 it describes what the term "data" means in paragraph 1, section B:

14 ‘‘(B) In this paragraph, the term ‘data’ refers to in15
formation respecting a device described in paragraph (1),
16 including claims data, patient survey data, standardized
17 analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of
18 data from disparate data environments, electronic health
19 records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the
20 Secretary"

What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Lets see...

Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radio frequency transponder system for patient identification and health information."
The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."

This sort of device would be implanted in the majority of people who opt to become covered by the public health care option. With the reform of the private insurance companies, who charge outrageous rates, many people will switch their coverage to a more affordable insurance plan. This means the number of people who choose the public option will increase. This also means the number of people chipped will be plentiful as well. The adults who choose to have a chip implanted are the lucky (yes, lucky) ones in this case. Children who are "born in the United States who at the time of birth is not otherwise covered under acceptable coverage" will be qualified and placed into the CHIP or Children's Health Insurance Program (what a convenient name). With a name like CHIP it would seem consistent to have the chip implanted into a child. Children conceived by parents who are already covered under the public option will more than likely be implanted with a chip by the consent of the parent. Eventually everyone will be implanted with a chip. And with the price and coverage of the public option being so competitive with the private companies, the private company may not survive.

So will everyone be covered by the public option eventually??????

And does that mean everyone will be chipped?????

Source : http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

http://current.com/http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread496625/pg1

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1058742480&posted=1#post1058742480

Comments and questions in next post.... (so as to avoid making this one overly lengthy)

willnotbesilenced

23-03-2010, 09:14 AM

So, what is people`s re-action to the idea of IMPLANTABLE MICROCHIPS ?

As a Christian I know how most Christians feel, and yes it would appear to be `the mark of the beast` foretold in the Book of Revelation.

.....but how do Muslims feel about this ?

....and what about Jews ?

....and finally how do non-believers feel about it ?

Has anyone worked out yet, exactly what the words `the mark of the beast` actually means ?
To me it seems quite obvious.

In the Bible, ANIMALS are called BEASTS.

At the moment, microchips are used in CATTLE (beasts) and DOGS (beasts)
and all dogs in the UK are soon to be forced to be microchipped.

Therefore, let us re-phrase that Biblical term : `the mark of the BEAST`
and we can see how it easily reads `the mark of the CATTLE /DOGS`

It cant get more obvious surely.

What will you need the microchip for ?

hmm.....

In both U.K. and U.S. they are pushing to upload everyone`s private MEDICAL HEALTH RECORDS to a database.
So I think its safe to say : you will need it if you wish to access anything medical : HOSPITAL - DOCTOR - DENTIST - and so on.

In U.K. (and upon introducing the I.D.cards Bill) Tony Blair stated these words :
"Those who REFUSE to register will NOT be able to access SERVICES`

Tony Blair did NOT say what those SERVICES are likely to be.

What we do know, however, is that of 2012 EVERY PASSPORT will carry BIOMETRIC DATA (fingerprints and iris scan data)

Also, we know that the VISA Company are pushing towards a CASHLESS SOCIETY for around 2012.

In the U.S. we have also read of late how they are pushing for compulsory I.D. for employment.

Therefore, we can now I`m sure compile a short list of SERVICES :

MEDICAL - doctor - hospital - dentist

PASSPORT - travel

BANKING - cashless

EMPLOYMENT : I.D.card

Perhaps the only thing we cant see on that list at the moment is GOVERNMENT BENEFITS and PENSIONS - but then maybe there`s NO need to whilst :

1. If people refuse I.D.card for employment - then they wont get a job (or even keep their job) and if they lose their job.... or (in the event of not having one to start with) they cant look for one because they have NO I.D. THEN GOVERNMENT IS HARDLY LIKELY TO PAY YOU ANY `BENEFITS`

2. In any event - most benefits are paid nowadays into a BANK...
and if you need I.D. (in a cashless society) then benefits would be of NO use to you if you dont have a Bank account.

For the benefit of ALL non-Christians....
What exactly does this text in Revelation say exactly :
Here it is :

Revelation 13:16-20

16 And he causeth all, both small and great , rich and poor,
free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand , or in
their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had
the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the
number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his
number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Admittingly, we cannot be 100% certain at the moment that RFID is
this `mark` - but I think people might just agree its sounding pretty
darn like what Tony Blair stated : (paraphrased) NO I.D. NO SERVICES

Several U.S. State Governors have attempted to protect their citizens by
introducing Bills which FORBID the enforced microchipping of their citizens.
That is admirable - but NOT enough.

All the Government needs to do is say : `fine, thats ok, you dont have to get a microchip, but...... without one you WONT be able to access any
of the SERVICES`

So in effect, it`s VOLUNTARY.
Voluntary that is, if people can survive WITHOUT work, benefits, pension,
healthcare, travel, banking.

At the moment, only the Christians appear to be taking the RFID /microchip
issue seriously.
WHERE ARE THE MUSLIM VOICES ?????
Have you lost your voices ?
No offence, but you need to speak up.
You need to stand with us Christians.
Otherwise YOU and your family will find yourselves being MICROCHIPPED.

willnotbesilenced

23-03-2010, 10:00 AM

Below, a typical example of how NON-COMPLIANCE works :
(this is a re-post from a thread in todays news forum)

This is already happening, its called the NHS spine and I think we have until May to opt out....However, its ok giving people until May to opt out providing they know about it in the first place.

Quote:
When people`s health records are on that database.... and they say `You need a chip to access those` - then how many are going to refuse ?
NO CHIP - NO MEDICAL CARE.

As Ive pointed out before, in UK Tony Blair stated (upon introducing I.D.Cards Bill to the public) : `Those who REFUSE will NOT be able to access SERVICES` and Healthcare is a `service` is it not.

This has happened to us. In our area you can access free services such as swimming for children, which I've obviously already paid my taxes for but....When I phoned about them, I was told that my kids would have to have a special card. This card holds all information, medical, banks, library etc and has a photo and chip. So essentially an ID card. Obviously, we dont have one, but we cant get the services we paid for either.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1058742573&posted=1#post1058742573

pythaem

23-03-2010, 12:30 PM

Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip.

Hello, willnotbesilenced. I'm looking at opencongress.org and I cannot find anything in the bill that says coverage requires a microchip. So far all I have found is a section describing a registry for those who do use any kind of microchipping. We know some companies are using these already, so I think this is just a provision in the bill to regulate usage and how the data is handled, not requiring people to be implanted. It looks more like establishing guidelines for companies and individuals who choose to be chipped.

I may have missed something though, could you point out where in the bill it states that coverage requires an implantable microchip?

dedicate

23-03-2010, 12:59 PM

"Mark of the Beast" eh? Why put your foot down now? We've been accepting the Mark for 100 years. There is hardly a person not owned by the state and who has not taken the Mark. They own us already, eh?

What the people often miss is the scripture stating one must also worship the Beast to be damned. Taking the Mark is just a Godless act of the master over the slave.. but the Bible warns about us liking it, accepting it, encouraging it, and making excuses for it being so.

Now lets just suppose the NWO in its global Dem(on)ocracy at some point has a leader figure,, like most all leader figures today, demanding obeydiences and submissiveness and adulations. And further speculate what is said about this figure in the Bible is true. 1) Most everybody loves our new dictator -- just like they have done today and yesterday. 2) He's able to give life to to the image of the Swastika -- in the way Hitler gave life to the SS. 3) He is able to mark those who adore him and those that do not accept his mark are prevented from buying and selling and killed.

That's a lot like what happens today. I met a Christian this weekend while he was passing out leaflets "Believe and be saved"..... which also means "Believe and be damned".. He asked me if I was saved, and I asked how he would know,, and of course he said, "You would have to tell me". So we got talking about 911 and he said, "I have a difficult time accepting it. America is Good. George Bush is good for America, but not Obama.".... OWNed, bought and paid for.. not by Christ but by the Beast?

willnotbesilenced

23-03-2010, 01:18 PM

Hello, willnotbesilenced. I'm looking at opencongress.org and I cannot find anything in the bill that says coverage requires a microchip. So far all I have found is a section describing a registry for those who do use any kind of microchipping. We know some companies are using these already, so I think this is just a provision in the bill to regulate usage and how the data is handled, not requiring people to be implanted. It looks more like establishing guidelines for companies and individuals who choose to be chipped.

I may have missed something though, could you point out where in the bill it states that coverage requires an implantable microchip?

Thats what it looked like to me too..... but I think we need to read between the lines here....

Why do they want all the Medical Records on a database (run by Google, or shock of horrors & worse, by MICROSOFT) ?

We can see how they are slowly slowly introducing this microchip agenda.

We can read how VISA have said about being CASHLESS by 2012.

I heard what Blair stated about I.D.cards: not register /no services ect.

We can see how (in UK) they`re going to enforce the owners of all dogs to have them microchipped....

and when little Maddie went missing the headlines were reading : Would a MICROCHIP help keep my child safe.

They have already been microchipping prisoners.... and ALZEIMERS PATIENTS.

Its not going to take the mind of a rocket scientist to see where all this is going.

The Bills themselves are not always that clear - (different topic here I know : but I know one U.S. bill - but didnt get passed - listed `chemtrails` as an exotic weapon - and then they removed those 2 words !!!!)

Trust them not..... its clear where its going - its just a matter of time, they cant do it all at once, too many ppl would notice.

What is not helpful (and I`m sure they know this) is that when ppl like me (and many others) try to forewarn ppl we are NOT believed. There are many who still believe we are mad conspiracy nuts wearing a tin foil hat.
Then when we point to the Bible and say `look, doesnt that sound like what is happening` we then come up against all the atheists who mock and scorn those warnings too.

I still believe that TPTB are USING the Bible as their script.
I`m not suggesting they wrote it, but I have no doubt that there`s always been ppl with their own agenda in the past who have added /subtracted & altered things just to make it fit their own agenda.

pythaem

23-03-2010, 01:34 PM

willnotbesilenced

23-03-2010, 01:52 PM

I certainly understand the concerns surrounding the bill and that we should create awareness about microchipping as a possibility in the future. I have a lot of respect for you willnotbesilenced and the information you share. However, I think it is very counter-productive to put in big red font that coverage under obamacare will require a microchip, when that simply is not true :(

Yes, microchipping appears to be one of the end goals, and we should certainly create awareness about that. But I think we should stick to the facts. I know you're not disinfo / cointelpro, but making statements like that is disinformation. Now people might take that and spread it all over telling people the bill requires microchipping (the first part of your post is on ATS too not sure if you did that or not). I just think we should stick to the information that is a reality and look forward with concerns, but not be deceptive about it. No offense, but the title of the post is a lie and I just don't think that's helpful :(

Nothin but Love for ya man.

Ok, I respect what you`ve said - and yeah I agree, and Ive made a couple of adjustments accordingly.

Does Healthcare include microchips ???

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Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip ? ? ? ? ?

I think what stirs me up is that if those U.S. Governors who have brought in Bills to protect their citizens against microchipping, didnt think there was a genuine concern.... then they would hardly waste their time getting a Bill through to protect ppl against this happening.

This sort of controlled society was foretold.

Maybe if the scoffers dont want to believe the Bible they should at least
try reading George Orwell`s `1984`

By the way thanks for the compliment.

I have been watching this microchip agenda develop ever since VeriChip introduced microchips to clubbers in a club in Spain.
In exchange for having the chip, they were given VIP treatment, and didnt need cash for the bar !!!! hmm.... cashless ? of course, thats where we are heading (and VISA agrees)

I was also personally told by this Pastor :
http://www.stepstowardthemark.com/
that during his NAVY days 20 years ago, they were experimenting with microchips !!!

If I mention him to most ppl then they hear the word `pastor` and that sets the scoffers off on a rant lol, yet they fail to see that 20 odd years ago this guy was NOT a pastor but rather a military guy in the U.S. Navy.

SEARCH RESULT - mark of the beast (http://www.bing.com/search?q=U.S.Pastor+says+microchips+could+fulfil+t he+mark+of+the+beast&go=&form=QBRE&filt=all&qs=n)

pythaem

23-03-2010, 01:56 PM

Kewl :)

willnotbesilenced

23-03-2010, 02:12 PM

Check out :

VeriMed
http://verimedinfo.com/

VeriChip (was recently amalgamated with another company and are now known as PostiveID.
Unfortunately I cant just find their website.
but heres a YouTube video by `We the people will not be chipped`

PositiveID , IBM, Verichip , and the Fourth Reich
PositiveID , IBM, Verichip , and the Fourth Reich - YouTube

VeriCool (UK company who makes the scanners for scanning children
in UK schools)
http://www.vericool.co.uk/

IBM is also a Company to watch !!!

IBM Cashless Commercial
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Digital Angel
http://www.digitalangel.com/

VeriPhone
http://www.verifone.com/

MealTime (part of the CLM Group)
for kids school dinners in the U.S.

Using MealTime's Point of Sale terminals, students purchase their meals with cash or with their prepaid debit accounts using either barcode IDs, rosters, pin numbers, or fingerprint recognition.

Mealtime has the ability to display student names and photos with every transaction, at every terminal, empowering your staff to easily verify that students are being properly identified.
http://www.mealtimeclm.com/products/

Alien technology
http://www.alientechnology.com/movies/GE0408.html

http://www.alientechnology.com/

I aint making this list up folks......

IBM in the U.K. (check out their 5-in-5 solutions)

http://www-05.ibm.com/uk/pov/next_five_in_five/index.html?ca=pov_5-5&me=w&met=uk_hp_about

CHIP CHILD I.D. SAFETY PRODUCTS
http://www.chipfranchise.com/index.php?id=4

Somark says chipless ID test successful

Somark Innovations said Tuesday that it successfully tested its biocompatible chipless RFID ink in cattle and laboratory rats.
The company said in a release that the test proved the effectiveness of injecting and reading a biocompatible chipless RFID (radio frequency identification) ink "tattoo" within the skin of animals. RFID "tags" can be used to identify an object or being using radio waves.
Somark said the technology initially will be marketed to the livestock industry to help identify and track cattle, and mitigate export trade loss from Mad Cow Disease concerns.
The company, which is currently raising a Series A equity financing, said it plans to license the technology to secondary target markets such as laboratory animals, dogs, cats, prime cuts of meat, and military personnel.

http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2007/01/08/daily19.html

The above is a very interesting one because thats a TATOO under the skin !!!!!

Revelation says `the mark` is in the hand or FOREHEAD - and they dont put the microchips
in peoples foreheads (but rather in their upper arm)

willnotbesilenced

23-03-2010, 05:25 PM

Some of the BILL written by a DOCTOR was published in an INDIANA newspaper/READ IT

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/are-you-confused-2/

chappyhova

25-03-2010, 07:02 AM

I was just going through my usual boxing subscriptions on youtube and noticed someone had put this video up.

Microchip

I was quite surprised to see that a few people had put them up because they normally only put videos up about Boxing so it was nice to see more and more people are beginning to question.

timehasanend

25-03-2010, 07:40 AM

Some of the BILL written by a DOCTOR was published in an INDIANA newspaper/READ IT

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/are-you-confused-2/

I think a person like yourself, who doesn't believe that the "WHOLE" Bible is the inspired Word of God and doesn't believe that Jesus is God, should be alarmed.

Those who are "truly" in Christ, need NOT be alarmed because they are SEALED with Holy Spirit ...Ephesians 1:12-14

Jesus is God
http://www.christiananswers.net/kids/ednk-jesusgodorman.html

Mark of the Savior
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2009/20090530.htm

the perfect one

25-03-2010, 02:24 PM

This is HUGE NEWS!

Thanks to the op for posting this. It's just another sign of the times. OMG:eek:

timehasanend

25-03-2010, 02:29 PM

This is HUGE NEWS!

OMG:eek:

"Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken"

Luke 21 26

the perfect one

28-03-2010, 05:21 PM

Quote from willnotbesilenced-I still believe that TPTB are USING the Bible as their script.[/B]
I`m not suggesting they wrote it, but I have no doubt that there`s always been ppl with their own agenda in the past who have added /subtracted & altered things just to make it fit their own agenda.

I agree with this as well.

loveisthelaw

29-03-2010, 01:32 AM

My personal opinion is that Microchips inside beings is unnatural, yet it could serve a purpose. All depends on the implementation ;)

As far as I know, Islam goes against changing your body for vanity, etc - as it is believed you should be happy with what you are given. Of course, if it is for health reasons things change, but including a health companies stock performance does not count ;P *life threatening medical problems only please!*

As such, chips inside me would be forbidden and I certainly would not want to have one. It is unnatural and without properly understanding the technology, it's capabilities and the intention of the use, people would be foolish to take one.

Yet I am sure, it will still happen.

Sigh... the mechanical life of a biological asset. Don't you just love the regression of man.