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moonchess
22-03-2010, 10:12 PM
Story of Noah: God called on Noah to build his ark because he was "perfect in his generations".

Mainstream christianity: jesus saves you and you become perfect through him.

Story of Noah: Noah builds an ark.

Mainstream christianity: christians try to save souls.

Story of Noah: Noah puts two of every flesh on his ark.

Mainstream christianity: The "gospel" must be published in every nation so all can "hear the truth".

Story of Noah: god sends Noah a dove.

Mainstream christianity: jesus sends you the "holy spirit" (symbolized by a dove).

Story of Noah: god floods the earth with water.

Mainstream christianity: god floods the earth plagues and disasters (revelations and the teachings of Jesus).

Story of Noah: Noah floats above the devastation in his ark.

Mainstream christianity: god keeps you safe from the plagues and disasters because of your faith.

Story of Noah: god called on Noah to build his ark because he was "perfect in his generations".

Mainstream christianity: jesus saves you and you become perfect through him.

Story of Noah: Noah builds an ark.

Mainstream christianity: christians try to save souls.

Story of Noah: Noah puts two of every flesh on his ark.

Mainstream christianity: The "gospel" must be published in every nation so all can "hear the truth". christians try to save souls and thus put the souls on their imaginary ark.

Story of Noah: god sends Noah a dove.

Mainstream christianity: jesus sends you the "holy spirit" (symbolized by a dove).

Story of Noah: god floods the earth with water.

Mainstream christianity: god floods the earth plagues and disasters (revelations and the teachings of Jesus).

Story of Noah: Noah is blessed and saved for his faith and obedience.

Mainstream christianity: christians are blessed and saved for their faith and obedience.

nicolaj
22-03-2010, 11:25 PM
Story of Noah: God called on Noah to build his ark because he was "perfect in his generations".

Mainstream christianity: jesus saves you and you become perfect through him.

Story of Noah: Noah builds an ark.

Mainstream christianity: christians try to save souls.

Story of Noah: Noah puts two of every flesh on his ark.

Mainstream christianity: The "gospel" must be published in every nation so all can "hear the truth".

Story of Noah: god sends Noah a dove.

Mainstream christianity: jesus sends you the "holy spirit" (symbolized by a dove).

Story of Noah: god floods the earth with water.

Mainstream christianity: god floods the earth plagues and disasters (revelations and the teachings of Jesus).

Story of Noah: Noah floats above the devastation in his ark.

Mainstream christianity: god keeps you safe from the plagues and disasters because of your faith.

Story of Noah: god called on Noah to build his ark because he was "perfect in his generations".

Mainstream christianity: jesus saves you and you become perfect through him.

Story of Noah: Noah builds an ark.

Mainstream christianity: christians try to save souls.

Story of Noah: Noah puts two of every flesh on his ark.

Mainstream christianity: The "gospel" must be published in every nation so all can "hear the truth". christians try to save souls and thus put the souls on their imaginary ark.

Story of Noah: god sends Noah a dove.

Mainstream christianity: jesus sends you the "holy spirit" (symbolized by a dove).

Story of Noah: god floods the earth with water.

Mainstream christianity: god floods the earth plagues and disasters (revelations and the teachings of Jesus).

Story of Noah: Noah is blessed and saved for his faith and obedience.

Mainstream christianity: christians are blessed and saved for their faith and obedience.

Yes It is, they are Gods choosen... not mainstream Chrisitiaity IMO.

..there are many of these throughout the bible.. I love being shown, finding them.

bendoon
23-03-2010, 12:08 AM
New International Version (©1984)
1 Corinthians 10:11

These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.

Although I would leave the Mainstream bit out.

Every thing written down in the OT is for an example to us, wether any particular thing happened or not doesn't really matter, the important thing is to understand the moral of the story.

tannah
23-03-2010, 12:33 AM
Although I would leave the Mainstream bit out.

Every thing written down in the OT is for an example to us, wether any particular thing happened or not doesn't really matter, the important thing is to understand the moral of the story.

Bloodthirsty culture with tribal instincts and "God on their side" = OT

bendoon
23-03-2010, 12:41 AM
Bloodthirsty culture with tribal instincts and "God on their side" = OT

You obviously don't see the moral of the story then.

And far from being bloodthirsty, the Isrealites were a paragon of virtue compared to the people around them although things may seem harsh to us mollicoddled wimps today.

They even had a day off work once a week and bank holidays whilst the others had to work every day of the year. :D

All debts were written off every 50 years, now just imagine what a better world we would have today if they implemented that.

orlibonurb
23-03-2010, 12:41 AM
Bloodthirsty culture with tribal instincts

Reminds me of today's society.

Yes, it fits like a glove. A bloodthirsthy culture with tribal instincts, so what exactly seems to be the problem ?


Let's see if the Word of God confirms it by the way,

2 Timothy {3:1} This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. {3:2} For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, {3:3} Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, {3:4} Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; {3:5} Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. {3:6} For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, {3:7} Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Yes it does.

tannah
23-03-2010, 02:32 AM
You obviously don't see the moral of the story then.

I see a perception of God at the time. I see the levites getting a nice deal as always by being priests. I see political reasons for some of the qualities attributed to God.

And far from being bloodthirsty, the Isrealites were a paragon of virtue compared to the people around them although things may seem harsh to us mollicoddled wimps today.

Yeah, but they were still pretty genocidal. Yes, what has happened to us "whimps" who would like to see an end to atrocity.



All debts were written off every 50 years, now just imagine what a better world we would have today if they implemented that.

Well how kind of them.:) There's better systems than the ones that incur debt btw.

tannah
23-03-2010, 02:40 AM
Reminds me of today's society.

Reminds me of you actually, only your dream is worse, because you're expecting God to come cause the atrocities and to rapture his chosen tribe. I DON'T FINK SO.



Yes, it fits like a glove. A bloodthirsthy culture with tribal instincts, so what exactly seems to be the problem ?

It's what you choose to see because it justifies your bias. But according to Bendoom we're all whimps.


Let's see if the Word of God confirms it by the way,

2 Timothy {3:1} This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. {3:2} For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, {3:3} Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, {3:4} Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; {3:5} Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. {3:6} For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, {3:7} Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.



I hate to say it but you score quite highly on the above. What is it they say "judge not lest ye be judged"?

Dual minded and blind, or consistent and seeing unity. What a choice. And what a shame you've made the blind one.

armoured_amazon
23-03-2010, 02:47 AM
No, the Ark of Noah is an Ark.

himitsunomiko
23-03-2010, 02:55 AM
I don't know if this will help anyone's perception of the story at all, but the Flood Story is also found in the Matsya Purana. The Bible's first books were written in the 1000s BC and the Puranas were composed between 4000 and 1000 bc. The Matsya Purana is the 1st of 9. If they go in chronilogical order, then the Matsya Purna outdates the Bible flood myth. If they do not, then the ancient hindus got their texts mixed up. I doubt that because one, how many stupid Indians do you know (besides the younger folks, more of their minds are diluted) and two, the Constantine edition of the bible leaves much to be questioned.

wiki --

The Matsya Purana is the first and the oldest of all the Puranas and Hindu scriptures and texts. It is primarily the story of the first Avatar of god Vishnu, in the form of a fish or Matsya. The Arya way of life, most likened to the Hindu way of life in present times is supposed to have begun after this epoch.

So, if this story is the first incarnation of vishnu, and krishna was on earth thousands of yeares before jesus, then it is to be said that this myth waaayyy predates the flood myth.

Here is the story ...

The Matsya Avatar
Satyavrata, who later was known as Vaivasvata Manu, was a pious and righteous king. Once as he scooped water from a river a tiny fish came along with the water. He was about to return the fish to the river when it asked for protection from the larger fish in the river. Satyavrata put the fish into his urn but overnight it grew big and asked for a larger container. This happened night after night and the king moved the fish from pond to lake to the ocean. Then he realized that the fish could be no ordinary fish but had to be God incarnate. He offered his salutations and begged resolution of the mystery. The fish told him that in due course the earth would be inundated and all life would be destroyed. Satyavrata was asked to collect the seeds and animals required for life to begin again and wait for the fish. When the deluge began the fish appeared with a boat in tow and Satyavrata got in with the seeds and animals. While the flood lasted the fish kept the boat afloat on the water and also narrated to Satyavrata the contents recorded in the Matsya Purana.



Read more at Suite101: The Matsya Purana: Vishnu Imparts Words of Wisdom to Vaivasvata Manu http://hindu-texts.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_matsya_purana#ixzz0ixrhJbam