Ian Huntley has had his throat slashed in prison

[paolo]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Article/201003115578709

Soham murderer Ian Huntley has had his throat slashed in prison, Sky sources say.


Soham killer Ian Huntley: Attacked in prison with a home-made implement
The Ministry of Justice said he was attacked in Frankland Prison, County Durham, where he is serving two life sentences for murdering schoolgirls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
Sky's crime correspondent Martin Brunt said Huntley was taken to hospital after being attacked by a fellow inmate with a home-made implement.
A Ministry spokesman said: "A prisoner at HMP Frankland was assaulted by another prisoner at about 3.25pm on Sunday March 21.
It's common for a plastic a toothbrush to be melted and a razor blade inserted in the end - it makes a pretty terrifying weapon
Crime correspondent Martin Brunt
"The prisoner was taken to outside hospital for treatment. His condition is not thought to be life-threatening."
Huntley was convicted of murdering the 10-year-old girls in Soham, Cambridgeshire, in 2002.
Brunt said: "Although his injuries are not thought to be life-threatening, it does sound quite a serious attack - serious enough for him to be taken outside the prison to hospital rather than being treated by medical staff inside the prison.
"No details of the weapon, but it's common for a plastic a toothbrush to be melted and a razor blade inserted in the end - it makes a pretty terrifying weapon.

Huntley's victims: Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman
"It's difficult to tell if he was slashed more than once."
This assault is not the first time Huntley has been attacked in prison.
An inmate threw boiling water on him while he was on the health care wing at the high-security Wakefield Prison in West Yorkshire in September 2005.
HMP Frankland is a Category A high security men's prison.
The murder of the two girls sent shockwaves across the country during the summer of 2002.
Huntley, a caretaker at the secondary school in Soham, and his then girlfriend Maxine Carr, a teaching assistant in Holly and Jessica's junior school class, told police that they knew nothing of the circumstances surrounding the girls' disappearance.
But it emerged at their trial at the Old Bailey in December 2003 that Huntley had met Holly and Jessica as they walked past his home, enticed them inside and killed them before hiding their remains.
Huntley was given two life terms after being convicted of the girls' murders.
Carr was jailed after being convicted of perverting the course of justice and has now been released from prison.


First Jon Venables, and now this reminder.....

[subl1minal]

Why would we give a shit about this after what he 'did' ? That's another thing that boggles my mind about the News and how everyone laps this stuff up.

[paolo]

Why would we give a shit about this after what he 'did' ? That's another thing that boggles my mind about the News and how everyone laps this stuff up.
The possibility that Huntley had his memory wiped in Rampton, and a false memory substituted?
The previous suicide attempts that failed?
That according to the tabloids Huntley has his own suite isolated from other prisoners?

[_tzupidity]

Election.

Tough on crime stance.

Reminding us all of the evil out there that we need protecting from.

Distracting us from the evil done by politicians that we really need protecting from.

[diamond dogs]

Why would we give a shit about this after what he 'did' ? That's another thing that boggles my mind about the News and how everyone laps this stuff up.

This is a must read thread. The links of the witness statements (if not removed) are very important imo confirmed sightings of the girls in their distinctive tops by witnesses..form your own opinion...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42660&highlight=huntley

[paolo]

Election.

Tough on crime stance.

Reminding us all of the evil out there that we need protecting from.

Distracting us from the evil done by politicians that we really need protecting from.
Right enough

[alex_kidd]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Article/201003115578709



First Jon Venables, and now this reminder.....

Hurray! Who slashed him? I'd like to buy them a pint. Why don't they put Venables and Huntley into a cage and let them fight to the death and televise it? for once there would be something worth watching on tv.

[paolo]

This is a must read thread. The links of the witness statements (if not removed) are very important imo confirmed sightings of the girls in their distinctive tops by witnesses..form your own opinion...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42660&highlight=huntley

Cheers, dd, I was aware that this has been done before. Just needs an awakening to the whole process for those that missed it

[paolo]

Hurray! Who slashed him? I'd like to buy them a pint. Why don't they put Venables and Huntley into a cage and let them fight to the death and televise it? for once there would be something worth watching on tv.
Pretty fucking sexy, eh?:rolleyes:

[alex_kidd]

Pretty fucking sexy, eh?:rolleyes:

We could even bet on it! It could be like the new world cup, bronson in the finals.

[freedom1st]

We could even bet on it! It could be like the new world cup, bronson in the finals.

Oh dear!

[diamond dogs]

Cheers, dd, I was aware that this has been done before. Just needs an awakening to the whole process for those that missed it

+1 I remember being of the opinion that he should be strung up etc etc. until I read the thread..

It was also an eye opener that he had a patent for a dustmatic (with Numatic International) device that proves he was very intelligent (apparently had Asperger syndrome..same as Einstein) it is a travesty imo having read the whole thread, possibly some links removed but also the fact Dave Starbuck (the youtube interview) died mysteriously on stage at a conference in Blackpool..

[paolo]

We could even bet on it! It could be like the new world cup, bronson in the finals.
Nude child killers fighting to the death
We could have major Western leaders, US and British soldiers, Israeli IDF all in that cage

[paolo]

+1 I remember being of the opinion that he should be strung up etc etc. until I read the thread..

It was also an eye opener that he had a patent for a dustmatic (with Numatic International) device that proves he was very intelligent (apparently had Asperger syndrome..same as Einstein) it is a travesty imo having read the whole thread, possibly some links removed but also the fact Dave Starbuck (the youtube interview) died mysteriously on stage at a conference in Blackpool..
Dave Starbuck is still alive as far as I know. It was Dean Warwick who died on stage.
They were both involved in exposing the Soham murders and much else

[alex_kidd]

Nude child killers fighting to the death
We could have major Western leaders, US and British soldiers, Israeli IDF all in that cage

We could, my moneys still on Bronson though!

[paolo]

We could, my moneys still on Bronson though!
Didn't he just hit and kill adults though?

[diamond dogs]

Dave Starbuck is still alive as far as I know. It was Dean Warwick who died on stage.
They were both involved in exposing the Soham murders and much else

Sorry my mistake...it should have been Dean Warwick I was referring to..

[meksar]

Huntley was framed and this whistle blower was killed for his views on the establishment.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[alex_kidd]

Didn't he just hit and kill adults though?

Yeah but he's like the ultimate cage fighter haha so him in the finals.

[paolo]

+1 I remember being of the opinion that he should be strung up etc etc. until I read the thread..

It was also an eye opener that he had a patent for a dustmatic (with Numatic International) device that proves he was very intelligent (apparently had Asperger syndrome..same as Einstein) it is a travesty imo having read the whole thread, possibly some links removed but also the fact Dave Starbuck (the youtube interview) died mysteriously on stage at a conference in Blackpool..
I've got a little acoustic device from Dean that solves all sorts of health problems.

[griffinman]

shame he lived..

boo boo!

[timelord]

I've never been convinced of his guilt.

[subl1minal]

Sorry I meant to add ''putting mind control aside''

Not what the Media or TPTB are trying to do. Why would we, in a so called 'Democracy' care of the wealthfare of someone who is meant to be so evil? :rolleyes: That was my point lol

This is a must read thread. The links of the witness statements (if not removed) are very important imo confirmed sightings of the girls in their distinctive tops by witnesses..form your own opinion...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42660&highlight=huntley

Thanks for this link! :)

[bendoon]

Probably not very popular to say this even here but he was framed. They have no evidence against him whatsoever apart from he washed his car and pleaded guilty after being held illegally in Rampton.

[timelord]

Probably not very popular to say this even here but he was framed. They have no evidence against him whatsoever apart from he washed his car and pleaded guilty after being held illegally in Rampton.

Yep I agree.

[_tzupidity]

Probably not very popular to say this even here but he was framed. They have no evidence against him whatsoever apart from he washed his car and pleaded guilty after being held illegally in Rampton.

Never mind all that, just say what you believe. Someone will always agree, someone will always disagree and someone else will find a way to involve the jews.

Interesting theory though. I don't follow cases like that one so I don't know what 'evidence' there was. To me it was just time for another blonde haired blue eyed girl crime.

[rydeon]

I think there's a facebook group (in growing numbers) that support the theory that Huntly is innocent and the real murderers took flight in a military helicopter from the adjacent base. The elites and their 'games'...

[bendoon]

Unfortunately for him, he is not a popular cause to be seen campaigning for so he will probably die in prison.

[armoured_amazon]

I'm not convinced he did it, purely on the witness statements that were hushed up or ignored altogether, and contradictory evidence.

[jimmi]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Article/201003115578709



First Jon Venables, and now this reminder.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7492670/Roy-Whiting-found-with-newspaper-cuttings-about-Sarah-Payne.html

And this story about Roy Whiting as well!

[realy]

I think there's a facebook group (in growing numbers) that support the theory that Huntly is innocent and the real murderers took flight in a military helicopter from the adjacent base. The elites and their 'games'...

intelligence agencies run facebook though.

[truthseeker_34]

theory? Are you having a laugh

Huntly is 100% innocent and anyone who thinks otherwise are either deluded or not done ounce of research.

[frase]

theory? Are you having a laugh

Huntly is 100% innocent and anyone who thinks otherwise are either deluded or not done ounce of research.

Jeez,Never heard this....
Is there a thread on Huntley and his innocence?
I always thought thye had got the guy...

[velma]

Jeez,Never heard this....
Is there a thread on Huntley and his innocence?
I always thought thye had got the guy...

Here's an article I wrote in 2006:

http://www.illuminati-news.com/102006b.htm


Prosecutor Richard Latham QC said, “This is just false memory syndrome, all this stuff, isn't it?”

UCI psychologists have admitted they use Propranolol to induce false memories.

[truthseeker_34]

Excellent Article velma

Also Anne Greig mentioned Propranolol

[velma]

Excellent Article velma

Also Anne Greig mentioned Propranolol

Interesting, thanks.

This article on Rense is illuminating.

My comment is included at the end.

http://www.rense.com/general45/falsemen.htm

[freedom1st]

shame he lived..

boo boo!

Check out the other thread on him and see if you still feel he is guilty.

[freedom1st]

Excellent Article velma

Also Anne Greig mentioned Propranolol

Propranolol is just a beta blocker isn't it? Does it also affect memory then?

[velma]

Ian Huntley did not actually speak at his trial, Coward QC spoke on his behalf, telling the ridiculous story which the jury were not meant to believe, but form their own conclusions, which they did. He went from being “both physically and mentally sound” and fit to stand trial, according to Dr Christopher Clark, to a snivelling wreck, chewing on his tongue. I still think he will die in prison and the Tabloids have done such a job on him that people like Griffinman will rejoice.

[wolfhead]

I'm always surprised when I say it but I think he was stitched up and is inocent

[o_rourke]

Interesting, thanks.

This article on Rense is illuminating.

My comment is included at the end.

http://www.rense.com/general45/falsemen.htm

Your comment at the end of that article is spot on and summed up exactly how these 'evil geniuses' can use False Memory Syndrome for political their own political agendas.

I must admit to believing that Ian Huntley was guilty for being one of the many people who bought into the MSM news at the time. Since becoming a member of this site, I've had to rethink many of my previous views and admit that I've been gullible to buy into the lies.

I am so sad for what both Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr have been 'sacrificed' for. Tony Blair and George W. Bush are the ones that should be put on trial. The 'War on Terror' was the only focus and god forbid that any of those American soldiers could ever come under the slightest of suspicions.

I've taken the liberty of cutting and pasting the article written by Joe Vialls as the link disappears if you don't press the Stop button on the browser. This article really got me thinking about his innocence.


Who Really Murdered Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman?
British Police torture least likely suspects Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr from Soham Village, while
deliberately ignoring thousands of more likely suspects from nearby American Air Force bases

Copyright Joe Vialls, 24 August 2002, Updated 06 November 2003

When British police arrested Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr [pictured left and right above] during the early hours of Saturday 17 August, on suspicion of the abduction and murder of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, they did so in the certain knowledge that absolutely no hard evidence existed incriminating either suspect. The reason for the rapid arrests was very simple: Just hours earlier, two small bodies had been found near the perimeter fence at USAF Lakenheath, and the Prime Minister at 10 Downing Street was terrified of a massive political scandal involving American servicemen based in, or transiting through, the United Kingdom.
Shortly after the arrests, British and American media organizations demonized Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr so successfully that public attention was diverted away from Lakenheath completely, and focused instead on the young couple from Soham who had earlier willingly spoken to television crews about their concerns for the well being of the two missing 10-year-old girls. Both knew the girls reasonably well. Ian Huntley was the caretaker at their school, and Maxine Carr was a former teaching auxiliary in their class.
Millions of viewers around the world watched Ian and Maxine being interviewed by the media, and most were impressed by the openness of their statements and their genuine willingness to help if possible. Experts in non-verbal communication also noticed that Ian and Maxine’s involuntary body and eye movements perfectly matched what they were saying verbally to the journalists.
In other words, both appeared to be telling the truth both verbally and non-verbally, an almost impossible feat for even a trained liar to fabricate. It is critical to note here also that both came across on television as perfectly normal, sane individuals, a reality later to be inexplicably challenged by police and psychiatrists in Cambridgeshire.
If Huntley and Carr had been involved at all with the abduction and murder of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, would they have then been stupid enough to run the gauntlet of about 10,000 American servicemen en-route, and dump the two small bodies in a location clearly visible from Lakenheath Control Tower, taxi track, and main runway? A serviceman with detailed knowledge of activities and procedures inside the base might get away with it unseen, but certainly not two civilians from Soham in Cambridgeshire. So the perimeter would be an ideal dumping ground for American servicemen eager to return to “safe” territory at USAF Lakenheath, before either entering their barracks on the base, or catching a shuttle bus to USAF Mildenhall.

In an attempt to demonize Ian Huntley still further, police “leaked” the damning information that he had been arrested for rape a number of years earlier. Well, yes, almost. While still a teenager Huntley had consensual sex with his girlfriend, who was only 15-years-old at the time, an offence in the United Kingdom known as statutory rape. He was never charged with an offence however, and his former girlfriend [now age 21 years] recently confirmed it was a mutual crush [love affair], with enthusiastic sexual consent on both sides.
So for a while at least, police and media have managed to deflect attention away from the two massive nearby USAF bases at Lakenheath and Mildenhall, and the political minefield lurking just below the surface if the British public ever find out about the very large numbers of children abused, raped, and sometimes murdered by American servicemen on overseas duty. So let us properly consider the “American Connection”, before returning later in this report to the unbelievable ongoing psychological abuse of Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr.
Though earlier in the investigation police declared they would be interviewing “700 known sex offenders” of British nationality, there was no mention of interviewing the 10,000+ US servicemen based in close proximity to Soham Village, or determining which other American servicemen has transited through the two bases, and on which flights, since Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman first disappeared.
The simple fact that Holly and Jessica’s bodies were found within yards of the USAF Lakenheath perimeter fence, which in turn provides access to the American barracks within, should have had British police knocking on Lakenheath’s front door immediately. Unfortunately, any such action might have accidentally undermined Prime Minister Tony Blair’s personal slavish dedication to George W Bush's “War on Terror.”
Though most members of the American military are unquestionably nice people, the small number who are not, are invariably psychotic savages. It is a matter of public record that many American servicemen have habitually carried out sickening attacks against civilians while on overseas duty, happy in the knowledge that the serious assault or murder of women or girls in Japan, Kosovo or England, carries a lesser penalty than at home.
One such case is that of Staff Sergeant Frank Ronghi, who on 24 August 2000 pleaded guilty to sodomizing and killing an 11-year-old Kosovar girl in January the same year. A member of his platoon testified that Staff Sergeant Ronghi disdainfully claimed, “It’s easy to get away with this shit in a third-world country.”
The “shit” Ronghi referred to is described here by the US Army Pathologist for Europe. "Her right jaw was fractured, practically bisected," said Lieutenant Colonel Kathleen Ingwersen, "We found evidence of sperm and semen in her vagina, mouth and rectum," she testified to a hushed hearing. "There was trauma to the neck muscles, the trachea and the carotid artery," Colonel Ingwersen said, adding she had found evidence of "blunt trauma" as the child was apparently beaten, choked and forced to kneel, face to the ground, as she was sodomized.
But in a perverse way Ronghi was proved right about the overall American perception of the “lesser worth” of women and children, in what he and others continually refer to as the third world. At his trial the Staff Sergeant was sentenced to life imprisonment, despite the fact that an identical offence against an American woman in the USA, would have resulted in his execution.
It would be impossible to list here all such vile attacks against “locals” by American servicemen overseas because there have been far too many. However, in order to educate the British police [who mercifully are rarely exposed to similar atrocities in Cambridgeshire and Suffolk] it seems prudent to mention a handful, thereby proving that Staff Sergeant Ronghi is far from being an isolated case.
In 1955, an American soldier was sentenced to death for the murder of a six-year-old Okinawan girl, a sentence that was later commuted to life imprisonment. During 1966 a US soldier confessed to strangling a young waitress. Then in 1972, US soldiers were sentenced to life imprisonment for strangling local women. Later In 1975, a US soldier was sent to prison for raping two junior high school students. Local Okinawan police arrested two US soldiers during 1985 in the act of raping a woman.
During a spate of crimes in 1995, a US soldier was arrested for the hammering death of a young woman., two children were killed by a drunken soldier, and three US soldiers brutally raped a young schoolgirl. In January 2000 a US seaman was sentenced for sexually assaulting a 16-year-old Japanese girl. Remember this is only a small part of the overall list, nor does it include the many more alleged perpetrators who Japanese and other authorities claim were “spirited out of the country and back to the USA” before they could be apprehended and charged.
The last point to consider before returning to the plight of Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr, is the strange fate of four wives at Fort Bragg in North Carolina, the former home base of Staff Sergeant Ronghi. All four wives were allegedly killed by their Sergeant husbands when they returned from active duty in Afghanistan, during the same week that Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman went missing. US Army authorities are currently trying to establish whether or not an anti-malarial drug all were taking contributed to the murders. The drug is acknowledged to have extra-pyramidal psychotic side-effects, and is prescribed to all US Servicemen in Afghanistan.
There are no direct flights out of Afghanistan to the USA, meaning that all American servicemen including those seriously affected by the drug, and also affected by PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) are obliged to change aircraft either in Germany or in England – normally at USAF Mildenhall. As a matter of urgency the British public should shame their local police into establishing accurately how many of these servicemen transited through USAF Mildenhall and USAF Lakenheath during the week that Holly and Jessica vanished.

Initially on Saturday 17 August, Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr were arrested “on suspicion” of being involved in the murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman. Each was taken to a different police station in Cambridgeshire for interrogation, which is standard police procedure. However, this is also the point at which standard police procedure vanished completely. Obviously Ian and Maxine were determined to protest their innocence, and refused to provide police with a convenient “confession”, no matter how tired they were, and no matter how much extreme pressure was applied by the big burly threatening policemen. There was also a marked absence of defence lawyers making statements on behalf of the suspects.
In an extraordinary move, police then applied to a “Closed Court” for an extension of Huntley and Carr’s detention, though the reasons were not made public. There was actually no need for police to provide us with a reason, because it was blatantly obvious they still had absolutely nothing to connect the two suspects with the two murders. If at that stage police had any hard evidence linking Ian Huntley or Maxine Carr to the murders, or had managed to coerce a confession out of either, they would have been charged immediately.
Then on Tuesday 20 August, just twenty-four hours before the legally extended detention was due to expire at 6.19 am on Wednesday, a complete team of psychiatrists appeared as if by magic, and deemed that Ian Huntley was unfit to appear in court. He was then “sectioned” under the Mental Health Act 1983 and remanded to Rampton high-security psychiatric hospital, at Retford in North Nottinghamshire, without being charged with any offence.
Now think about this carefully people, think about it! When we all saw Ian Huntley on international television he was entirely coherent and unquestionably sane. But apparently, after a mere three days in police custody, he became insane. How? Did the police deprive him of sleep and induce a [predictable and natural] nervous breakdown, or are the all-too-convenient government psychiatrists a pack of liars? You choose…
One thing is certain. We have all just watched the gross violation of Ian Huntley’s legal and human rights on international television, and we have done absolutely nothing about it. Ask yourself: Is it even legal to section a man in England under the Mental Health Act before he is charged? When asked this precise question, Dr Harris of Rampton Psychiatric Hospital was evasive, replying, "It is not unheard of, but it is very unusual."
Once inside the terrifying Rampton building, a Victorian hulk originally founded as an asylum in 1912 under the Criminal Lunatics Act of 1860, police charged Ian Huntley with murder. He is now at the mercy of a five-man psychiatric team who will assess his “symptoms” night and day over the next month, and shove him full of God-knows-what medication. This is the Gulag Archipelago all over again, and Joe Stalin would have loved it.
If, after a full month at the hands of the medical nutters in Rampton, Ian Huntley should choose to “confess” to everything including the murder of the Princess of Wales, try not to believe him. Stalin’s enemies used to confess all the time in the Gulag, but only after being pumped full of Reserpine by the shrinks.
The next problem for police was Maxine Carr. Clearly no-one would believe that two people had suddenly gone completely insane in police custody at the same time, so senior officers in Cambridgeshire [and at the Home Office] had to think of something a little more creative. They knew Huntley and Carr were both were innocent of course, but somehow Maxine had to be brought under control. In other words Maxine Carr had to be so badly frightened that she would be positively eager to “cooperate” with police when the drugged, perhaps electro-shocked and certainly docile Ian Huntley was finally paraded in front of the courts.
So police formally charged Maxine Carr with “attempting to pervert the course of justice”, i.e. lying to police whether she had or not, and quietly arranged to have her incarcerated in the most brutal and terrifying of Britain’s women’s’ prisons, at Holloway in London. “Attempting to pervert” is not a violent crime requiring a high security establishment of course, and there were certainly prisons closer to Soham, but only Holloway would have the desired devastating effect on Maxine, hopefully bringing her under immediate control.
Although the Victorian Holloway was replaced in a phased rebuilding programme between 1975 and 1985, it has managed to retain its brutal reputation. In 1995 Sir David Ramsbotham, then inspector of prisons, walked out in disgust at the conditions he found inside. He noted that 75% of women at the jail were suffering from some form of identifiable mental disorder, while one in 10 was suicidal. Almost half were drug addicts in need of immediate detoxification, while more than half had serious alcohol problems and nearly 95% were on sleeping pills.
Naturally enough, on its own this would be quite enough to send a quiet country girl like Maxine insane in weeks, but the British authorities wanted to make absolutely sure. So before she left for London, police arranged a court hearing for her in the local town of Peterborough, and made sure the media and “rent a mob” people knew about its exact timing well in advance.
As the police van approached the court, the commotion started for the innocent woman not yet convicted of any offence at all. Unseen hands banged on the metal van, and several females led an ugly chorus, jeering and shouting at a woman they could not see - a thick grey blanket had been placed over Maxine Carr's head - for a double murder with which she has not even been charged. "Evil bitch", screamed one. "Sick cow," spat another. In the melee, a woman and her two daughters unfurled a home-made banner. "Rot in hell forever", it said.

Trial by television media had well and truly started, and the trembling Maxine Carr had not yet even reached that special part of hell called Holloway. But a week or two in there with the deranged and the druggies should have her “cooperating” with anything and everything the Cambridgeshire Police Service wants.
But is that really the point here? The Chief Constable and all of his officers at Cambridgeshire Constabulary should be mortally ashamed of their blatant abuse of police powers, abuse of the judicial process, and abuse of the Mental Health Act. In turn it goes almost without saying that we the public should not believe a word of any subsequent “confession” that Maxine Carr is coerced into making, during or after her terrifying ordeal at Holloway.
Nor should we necessarily believe that the little Cambridgeshire Constabulary [1,307 proud officers and still recruiting] had the overall power to pull off these impressive stunts without some very heavy political assistance. Think about it carefully. The original players in a tight little Cambridgeshire county investigation have been scattered to the four winds. Ian Huntley is 100 miles away to the north in Rampton, Nottinghamshire, and Maxine Carr is 100 miles away to the south in Holloway, London. The bodies of the girls were actually found in Suffolk, directly involving a third force, the Suffolk Constabulary. And oh, yes, police investigators from the Norfolk Constabulary did quite a lot of the leg work on this case.
So the Cambridgeshire Holly and Jessica Case, is no longer really the Cambridgeshire Holly and Jessica case at all, is it? The only people who will know exactly what is going on in London, Nottinghamshire, Norfolk, Suffolk and Cambridgeshire in the future, will be the small group of powerful manipulators who set the scene. This is the same small group who had sufficient power to arrange special closed courts, send a truckload of wobbly shrinks to Cambridgeshire, subvert the Mental Health Act, and personally arrange the twin hells of Rampton and Holloway for suspects Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr. Believe me, only senior bureaucrats at the Home Office in London have sufficient raw power to arrange all of this.
There is a final point to consider about the case itself. A newspaper report states “The bodies of murdered 10-year-old girls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman were discovered in a ‘severely decomposed and partially skeletonised’ state, and the pair were almost certainly not killed where they were discovered, a coroner’s inquest was told yesterday. Their remains were found last Saturday in woodlands outside a United States air base at Lakenheath, Suffolk.” Even now, the cause or place of death cannot be established, and the Coroner has released the bodies to the parents for burial.
The reason for the importance of this statement will be obvious to residents in the Lakenheath area, whose local newspapers have saturated them for weeks with the information that Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr once lived years ago in a house owned by relatives less than a half-mile away from where the bodies were found. So this information allowing police to “point the finger” at the pair has long been in the public domain, and would be of enormous value to anyone wishing to deflect attention away from the real killers. Adding real substance to this claim is the fact that the path beside which the bodies were located is well used by walkers, but the bodies were not “found” until the very morning of Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr’s arrests.
Now ask yourself what you would do if you were Ian Huntley and had really been involved in the murder of the two little girls. Would you deliberately move their bodies close to a residence that you had lived in some years before, thereby tacitly pointing the finger of guilt at yourself, or would you move the bodies well away from any such residence? You choose, though even a deranged person in Holloway should be able to select the correct answer to this elementary question.
Taking the opposite view, what would you do if you were a deranged American serviceman who managed to smuggle the two little girls inside USAF Lakenheath, and then murdered them at some remote location inside the very large airfield boundary, with its multitude of convenient empty buildings? Would you leave the bodies where they lay until the smell of putrefaction attracted the attention of the Military Police at the base, or would you toss the pathetic remains over the perimeter fence one dark night, as close as possible to the former Huntley residence you learned about in the local Suffolk newspaper, and then tip off police? Once again, you choose.
No matter what you choose and no matter what you think, it will probably make no difference to the final outcome. The atmosphere surrounding this case is so heavily laden with political fog that you could cut it with a knife. At the national level you cannot afford to rock the boat because of Tony Blair’s “special relationship” with the White House, and all this entails for his personal prestige and the “War on Terror”. That said, Tony Blair’s wife Cherie is apparently a leading human rights lawyer, who might decide to take independent personal action where this gross abuse of human rights in her own back yard is concerned.
At the county level you cannot rock the boat because, as the Chamber of Commerce will eagerly explain, those thousands of nice American servicemen at USAF Lakenheath and USAF Mildenhall spend millions of pounds each year with local businesses in Suffolk, Norfolk and Cambridgeshire. You remember the people at the Chamber of Commerce don't you? Masons, Rotarians, Buffs and the rest, guzzling free Budweiser Beer at the Lakenheath Officer's Club, while looking down their noses at the Base Commander.
If you live in Britain and really care about legal and human rights for everyone including Ian Huntley, Maxine Carr, your own children and yourself, there is probably only one thing you can do: Call or fax the Chief Constable of Cambridgeshire Constabulary, expressing your disgust at the actions of his officers where this matter is concerned, and seeking his personal assurance that the illegal and immoral psychological assault on Huntley and Carr will be discontinued immediately.
Though it may seem pointless phoning or writing to a Chief Constable who is visibly not really in charge of events, he is nonetheless the only visible "front end" who can be directly and officially approached on the matter. If you keep pressing the right buttons often enough, you can and will make a difference. More than a decade ago matters were seriously mismanaged in a case involving myself, and I took exactly this action. The last time I bothered to check, I still held the record for receiving three written apologies in a single week regarding the same mismanaged case: The first was from the Home Office, the second from Special Branch, and the third from the Chief Constable of Suffolk Constabulary. If I can make a difference, so can you. Get on with it!

[velma]

Joe Vialls' links are all dead, (like him) but fortunately, they have been archived.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=28160

[o_rourke]

Joe Vialls' links are all dead, (like him) but fortunately, they have been archived.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=28160


I didn't know he was dead. Do you have a link to how he died?

And thanks for the link as it contains the original pics and more of his writing etc.

[truthseeker_34]

All credit to the OP

They are using a case in which there was no evidence as an excuse to make us all guilty until proven innocent!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212637/Now-Big-Brother-targets-helpful-parents-1-4-Britons-vetted-giant-new-child-protection-database.html


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/sitelogos/logo_mol.gif

Minister uses Soham murders to justify placing one in four Britons on Big Brother child protection database

The Children's Minister says millions of Britons must be placed on a new Big Brother-style child protection database to stop a repeat of the Soham murders.

Under the plan parents could face a £5,000 fine for driving their children's friends to a sports event or Cub Scout meeting if they have not been vetted first by the massive new government agency.

An astonishing 11.3million people - one adult in four - are likely to come under the watchful eye of the Independent Safeguarding Authority.

Launched next month, it will be the biggest vetting and clearing system in the world.

Every person who comes into regular contact with children or the elderly, through work or volunteering, must be approved by ISA officials checking for criminal convictions, disciplinary action and even unproven allegations.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/10/article-1212637-012ED23B000004B0-914_468x314.jpg
Target: Parents face a £5,000 fine for driving their children's friends to sport events and Cub Scout meetings when the Independent Safeguarding Authority is launched next month (picture posed by models)

The scheme was recommended by the Bichard report into the Soham murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman by school caretaker Ian Huntley.

Huntley was given the job because allegations of sex with underage girls were not passed on.

Child protection minister Baroness Morgan said the new database would help avoid 'another Soham': 'The new vetting and barring scheme that's come into place is not about regulating agreements between parents in their own homes or running children to and from clubs.

'It is about ensuring that people in a position of trust in an organisation who work frequently and intensively with children are safe to do so.

'Ultimately, safeguarding children is this Government's priority, and we must move forward because if we have a repeat of events like Soham then I think we would quite rightly be asked why we didn't do more', she said.

The plan goes way beyond the current Criminal Records Bureau system, which covers only 6million people.

For the first time, 300,000 school governors, dinner ladies and parents who visit schools or nurseries to read to children will be involved.

It will even apply to parents who, at the request of organisations like junior football teams or the Guides, give their children's friends lifts to or from events.

If they do so without first being vetted by the ISA's 200 staff, they could be fined up to £5,000 and given a criminal record.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/10/article-1212637-01BE5EEF0000044D-789_468x324.jpg
Outraged: Children's author Philip Pullman has pledged to stop giving readings in schools in protest at the scheme

The clubs themselves will face a £5,000 fine - potentially enough to ruin them. Parents who host foreign pupils on school exchange trips will also have to be vetted.

MPs and academics fear the change will have disastrous consequences.

Shadow home secretary Chris Grayling said: 'We are going to drive away volunteers, we'll see clubs and activities close down and we'll end up with more bored young people on our streets.'

Liberal Democrat spokesman Chris Huhne said: 'We are in danger of creating a world in which we think every adult who approaches children means to do them harm.

'The creation of the world's biggest checking system is a disproportionate response to the problem it is trying to solve.'

The Office of the Information Commissioner said there were 'inevitable' security risks in collecting large amounts of personal data.

Philip Pullman, best-selling author of His Dark Materials, has already pledged to stop giving readings in schools in protest at the scheme.

He has called it 'corrosive to healthy social interaction' because it will encourage children to see everyone as a potential rapist or killer.

The scheme was recommended by the Bichard report into the Soham murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman by school caretaker Ian Huntley.

Huntley was given the job because allegations of sex with underage girls were not passed on.

The Home Office said: 'The Vetting and Barring Scheme does not cover personal or family relationships, so parents making informal arrangements to give lifts to children will not have to be vetted.

'However, anyone working or volunteering on behalf of a third party organisation - for example, a sports club or a charity - who has frequent or intensive access to children or vulnerable adults will have to be registered.

'We believe this is a commonsense approach and what parents would rightly expect.'

Registering with the ISA will cost £64 in England and Wales, although unpaid volunteers will be exempt.

Registration will be needed for activities which involve contact with children or vulnerable adults three times in a month, every month, or once overnight, as well as jobs in places such as schools, prisons and children's homes.

In a 'belt and braces' approach, everyone currently working with children and old people will have to be vetted, even if they have already been cleared by the Criminal Records Bureau.

Those whose jobs involve mandatory enhanced CRB checks will continue to undergo them.

An enhanced CRB check costs £36, which means that, on top of the £64 ISA fee, being cleared to work with children could cost £100


THERE WAS NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE LINKING IAN HUNTLEY TO THE MURDERS OF HOLLY WELLS AND JESSIACA CHAPMAN

"No hairs from Holly Wells or Jessica Chapman recovered from 5 College Close; no blood from Holly Wells or Jessica Chapman recovered from 5 College Close; no fingerprints from Holly Wells or Jessica Chapman recovered from 5 College Close, save for those on the [portable] box of Celebration chocolates; no hairs from either Holly Wells or Jessica Chapman recovered from the Ford Fiesta, no blood from either Holly Wells or Jessica Chapman recovered from the Fiesta; no fingerprints from Holy Wells or Jessica Chapman were recovered from the Fiesta in August 2002"

Formal Admissions by the Prosecution, 1 December 2003

In fact, they claimed the absence of evidence was 'proof' that he had been meticulous in cleaning the crime scene! - BOLLOCKS!!!

[o_rourke]

All credit to the OP

Agreed.

This just goes to prove that they have used this case to kill two birds with one stone:

Allowed to carry on their murderous 'War on Terror' campaign

and also

To strengthen their Child Protection schemes

...oh and last but not least, terrify us into thinking our neighbour is likely to be a rapist, paedo or child abductor :rolleyes:

[velma]

"We can easily distort memories for the details of an event that you did experience and we can also go so far as to plant entirely false memories" says Elizabeth Loftus, "we call them rich false memories because they are so detailed and so big."

However, they cannot implant a false memory which is totally contradictory to the basic nature of the individual, because their subconscious mind would reject it, which is why they didn't make Huntley believe he murdered these girls, but that it had been an accidental drowning in the bath etc. The jury would obviously dismiss this rubbish and with suggestions of a "sexual motivation" assume he was a paedophile and murderer.

Two sturdy 10 year olds would not be easy for one man to subdue and I don't believe they would have been foolish enough to enter a stranger's house of their own volition. It would also be impossible to fit the bodies into the boot of a small Ford Fiesta and there is no CCTV footage of Huntley's car driving through Soham to dump the victims.

To suggest Huntley is innocent is heresy and you would be hounded by 'rent-a-mob' because the truth will open a can of worms detrimental to the USAF.

[kanz]

Nude child killers fighting to the death
We could have major Western leaders, US and British soldiers, Israeli IDF all in that cage

Cage match battle royal , imo . tickets would fly out the door.

[velma]

I didn't know he was dead. Do you have a link to how he died?

And thanks for the link as it contains the original pics and more of his writing etc.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3361

[o_rourke]

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3361


Thanks Velma. That's very sad. :(

[wolfhead]

Joe Vialls' links are all dead, (like him) but fortunately, they have been archived.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=28160

I've bee trying to think of his name for ages! He was one of the 1st alternative bloggers I ever read - Briliant man. Strange death!

[velma]

Searching for the autopsy report which was "inconclusive" (the cause of death has never been ascertained) I came across this interesting article:

THE CASE OF THE SOHAM BADGERS
http://www.justjustice.org/

[belladonna]

Probably not very popular to say this even here but he was framed. They have no evidence against him whatsoever apart from he washed his car and pleaded guilty after being held illegally in Rampton.
I agree............I have always had a 'gut' feeling that Huntley was framed. Can't put my finger on what I really feel, but what we are told 'is the truth' doesn't ring true.:confused:

[belladonna]

Ian Huntley did not actually speak at his trial, Coward QC spoke on his behalf, telling the ridiculous story which the jury were not meant to believe, but form their own conclusions, which they did. He went from being “both physically and mentally sound” and fit to stand trial, according to Dr Christopher Clark, to a snivelling wreck, chewing on his tongue. I still think he will die in prison and the Tabloids have done such a job on him that people like Griffinman will rejoice.

You could be right about him dying in prison....
Then again if somebody tried to 'fight his corner' and prove his innocense they would end up dead aswell!

[griffinman]

I still think he will die in prison and the Tabloids have done such a job on him that people like Griffinman will rejoice.

yep, I've read the transcripts of the case. (anyone else here done that?)
He's guilty. 'sorry'
I know you want a 33° freemason Judge, knight of templars to be the one responsible, but it wasn't; it a was a lone pedophile/rapist caretaker.

but you carry on believing your 'gut instinct' and reading the 'illuminati-news blog..'
btw Is there actually a time when something isn't a conspiracy on there?

[belladonna]

yep, I've read the transcripts of the case. (anyone else here done that?)
He's guilty. 'sorry'
I know you want a 33° freemason Judge, knight of templars to be the one responsible, but it wasn't; it a was a lone pedophile/rapist caretaker.

but you carry on believing your 'gut instinct' and reading the 'illuminati-news blog..'
btw Is there actually a time when something isn't a conspiracy on there?
I respect your opinion, and yes, maybe a gut instinct isn't the best in this situation. However, its been right MANY times before.
As for believing what I read on conspiracy sites. I read everything , then form my own opinion!!!

[bendoon]

yep, I've read the transcripts of the case. (anyone else here done that?)
He's guilty. 'sorry'
I know you want a 33° freemason Judge, knight of templars to be the one responsible, but it wasn't; it a was a lone pedophile/rapist caretaker.

but you carry on believing your 'gut instinct' and reading the 'illuminati-news blog..'
btw Is there actually a time when something isn't a conspiracy on there?

What evidence have they got against him ?

None whatsoever.

[sheepy]

Here's an article I wrote in 2006:

http://www.illuminati-news.com/102006b.htm


Prosecutor Richard Latham QC said, “This is just false memory syndrome, all this stuff, isn't it?”

UCI psychologists have admitted they use Propranolol to induce false memories.

Great article Velma.

[griffinman]

Searching for the autopsy report which was "inconclusive" (the cause of death has never been ascertained) I came across this interesting article:
THE CASE OF THE SOHAM BADGERS
http://www.justjustice.org/


Huntley tells his parents that Jessica killing was deliberate
SOHAM murderer Ian Huntley has admitted to his parents that he deliberately killed Jessica Chapman.


Don't tell me.... don't tell me.. was it 'MKultra programming' again.

Remember folks, when there's a confession, it's mkultra lite.:D

[griffinman]

What evidence have they got against him ?
None whatsoever.

Plenty.
The Disappearance of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/ian_huntley/index.html

[bendoon]

....



Just answer the question, what evidence have they got, actual evidence.

Sureley he is not the only person in the world who has commited a murder and left no phorensic evidence whatsoever.

Plenty.

I aren't reading through all that, just tell us of one piece of evidence.

[griffinman]

I respect your opinion, and yes, maybe a gut instinct isn't the best in this situation. However, its been right MANY times before.


It's fair to use it as a starting point.
:)

[thirty3]

So he could have been manchurian, monark mkultra another sucker in suckersville.

[griffinman]

Just answer the question, what evidence have they got, actual evidence.
Sureley he is not the only person in the world who has commited a murder and left no phorensic evidence whatsoever.

Don't you mean forensic evidence? You didn't read the whole piece did you?
Put the whole thing together.

Huntley admitted that the girls had died in his house, however claimed that he accidentally knocked Holly into the bath while helping her control a nosebleed, and causing her to drown. Jessica witnessed this and he suffocated her while attempting to stifle her screaming, and that by the time he realised what he was doing, it was too late to save either of them. Based on this evidence, he admitted manslaughter.
The jury however, rejected his claims that the girls had died accidentally and on 17 December 2003 returned a majority verdict of guilty on both counts of murder.

[armoured_amazon]

I respect your opinion, and yes, maybe a gut instinct isn't the best in this situation. However, its been right MANY times before.
As for believing what I read on conspiracy sites. I read everything , then form my own opinion!!!

+1

[griffinman]

I aren't reading through all that, just tell us of one piece of evidence.

well, you know...
you should do, if you're interested in the case.

For anyone else, I recommend this link. It covers all the details.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/ian_huntley/index.html

[o_rourke]

Don't you mean forensic evidence? You didn't read the whole piece did you?
Put the whole thing together.

Huntley admitted that the girls had died in his house, however claimed that he accidentally knocked Holly into the bath while helping her control a nosebleed, and causing her to drown. Jessica witnessed this and he suffocated her while attempting to stifle her screaming, and that by the time he realised what he was doing, it was too late to save either of them. Based on this evidence, he admitted manslaughter.
The jury however, rejected his claims that the girls had died accidentally and on 17 December 2003 returned a majority verdict of guilty on both counts of murder.

You seem quite happy to accept the 'official' version, but not prepared to look at other vital evidence like witness reports that were conveniently not heard in court. Don't you think that the alternative theories that have been put together by at least two different sources and links posted here, are enough to throw some doubt on this case?

[griffinman]

You seem quite happy to accept the 'official' version,

Sorry what's the alternative version?

The Police/Gov set Huntley up via a Mkultra type program.
They pick out a guy with a record of underage sex involving girls between 13 and 15 years of age, three rape allegations and one of indecent assault against an 11-year-old girl.

They (mkultra) decided to program him to kill two girls and then act in manner to try and get away with it.
Ie clean his car, his house, change the tires on his car and burn the bodies.
establish a false alibi.
Then while all is going well, mkultra then suddenly decide to ern stitch him up.
By planting false evidence and programming him to confess.

yup, all seems plausible to me.
(ends sarcasm)

[o_rourke]

Sorry what's the alternative version?

The Police/Gov set Huntley up via a Mkultra type program.
They pick out a guy with a record of underage sex involving girls between 13 and 15 years of age, three rape allegations and one of indecent assault against an 11-year-old girl.

They (mkultra) decided to program him to kill two girls and then act in manner to try and get away with it.
Ie clean his car, his house, change the tires on his car and burn the bodies.
establish a false alibi.
Then while all is going well, mkultra then suddenly decide to ern stitch him up.
By planting false evidence and programming him to confess.

yup, all seems plausible to me.
(ends sarcasm)

Interesting. I never gave this version of yours much thought, but I have to concede that it contains far too much imagination. You need to get off Icke a bit more often. All this MK Ultra stuff is going to your head. :p

Seriously though....Just a quick question. Why were at least 8 vital eyewitness accounts never allowed to appear in court? Eyewitnesses that would undoubtedly refute the timing of events when Ian Huntely was apparently murdering the girls in his home? :confused:

[griffinman]

Interesting. I never gave this version of yours much thought, but I have to concede that it contains far too much imagination. You need to get off Icke a bit more often. All this MK Ultra stuff is going to your head. :p

sorry which one is your favorite?
All from velma's link..

http://www.justjustice.org/
This one-
"Huntley has expressed the belief that the killer must have followed the girls to his house, which suggests that he believes that they were taken soon after leaving. He also believes that the killer himself must have fitted him up with the forensic evidence."

or maybe this one..

The Dustatic 101

"While Huntley was working as the caretaker and manager of a team of cleaners in Soham Village College he sent a memo to the headmaster criticising the rotary floor polishers which sprayed a lot of dust around. He constructed a makeshift electro-static device and installed it on one of these polishers, and he found that it magnetically collected a lot of this dust. He applied for a patent in 2001 and approached the manufacturer of the polishers to make a deal whereby he would get royalties per unit"

jesus... it was the Dustatic manufactures.



Seriously though....Just a quick question. Why were at least 8 vital eyewitness accounts never allowed to appear in court? Eyewitnesses that would undoubtedly refute the timing of events when Ian Huntely was apparently murdering the girls in his home? :confused:

where are they? who are they? do they even exist?
Who said they exist?

[geezer661]

i see the peedo apologists r in here today

[sm1973]

I'm not convinced he did it, purely on the witness statements that were hushed up or ignored altogether, and contradictory evidence.

I've posted my views on my football club's website here (on the off topic section), cue the usual hysteric response from people who think they know better!

It is good to know there are people on here who don't take everything that they read at face value.

http://www.redpassion.co.uk/forums/off-topic-chat-zeroed/51778-ian-huntley.html

[o_rourke]

sorry which one is your favorite?
All from velma's link..

http://www.justjustice.org/
This one-
"Huntley has expressed the belief that the killer must have followed the girls to his house, which suggests that he believes that they were taken soon after leaving. He also believes that the killer himself must have fitted him up with the forensic evidence."

or maybe this one..

The Dustatic 101

"While Huntley was working as the caretaker and manager of a team of cleaners in Soham Village College he sent a memo to the headmaster criticising the rotary floor polishers which sprayed a lot of dust around. He constructed a makeshift electro-static device and installed it on one of these polishers, and he found that it magnetically collected a lot of this dust. He applied for a patent in 2001 and approached the manufacturer of the polishers to make a deal whereby he would get royalties per unit"

jesus... it was the Dustatic manufactures.

I'm not following any particular version. I find interesting anomolies in all versions, even yours.




where are they? who are they? do they even exist?
Who said they exist?

So they don't exist according to you just because their evidence didn't appear in court? Convenient, don't you think?

[geezer661]

the cunt admitted doing it. If he was found over the bodies with bloody hands. People on here would still blame the lizards

[o_rourke]

the cunt admitted doing it. If he was found over the bodies with bloody hands. Morons on here would still blame the lizards

He wasn't though. Members of the government, the miltary and satanists are also capable of being murdering paedos BTW

[griffinman]

So they don't exist according to you just because their evidence didn't appear in court? Convenient, don't you think?

who said so, mr blog head?

I'll read their testimonials/statements whatever.

How do you negate the fact he confessed to the killings?
Although not to trying to rape them.
Because he knows...

Cary Elwes in the Riverman - YouTube

[geezer661]

He wasn't though. Members of the government, the miltary and satanists are also capable of being murdering paedos BTW

Huntley had admitted Holly and Jessica had died at his home and he dumped their bodies, but claimed it was an accident.

In court, Huntley said Holly died after falling into his bath, and he killed Jessica by putting his hand over her mouth to stop her screaming.

But the prosecution laid out an alternative version of events - that Huntley lured Holly and Jessica into his house, possibly with a sexual motivation, and murdered them when his plan went wrong.

[o_rourke]

who said so, mr blog head?

I'll read their testimonials/statements whatever.

How do you negate the fact he confessed to the killings?
Although not to trying to rape them.
Because he knows...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFaEszwfEp8

At least one of the witnesses has been named. Why wasn't his testimony ever heard in court?

If you are going to set up a patsy to take the rap for a murder to cover up US miltary for example, then you certainly wouldn't want witnesses to come forth to dispute your nice clean set up, would you?

[o_rourke]

Huntley had admitted Holly and Jessica had died at his home and he dumped their bodies, but claimed it was an accident.

In court, Huntley said Holly died after falling into his bath, and he killed Jessica by putting his hand over her mouth to stop her screaming.

But the prosecution laid out an alternative version of events - that Huntley lured Holly and Jessica into his house, possibly with a sexual motivation, and murdered them when his plan went wrong.


Yes, it's hard to dispute his own words after being banged up in a mental hospital instead of jail and charged when the time was running out for the police interrogation. They had free range to work on him and do what the heck that they wanted....including mental torture to the point that he'd say anything to appease them. Isn't that a possibility?

[merlincove]

the cunt admitted doing it. If he was found over the bodies with bloody hands. people on here would still blame the lizards

i fully believe he did it too, and was told in dream prophetically, before the police arrested him, that he had done it.

[geezer661]

Yes, it's hard to dispute his own words after being banged up in a mental hospital instead of jail and charged when the time was running out for the police interrogation. They had free range to work on him and do what the heck that they wanted....including mental torture to the point that he'd say anything to appease them. Isn't that a possibility?

yes he looked very mentally ill when he was on the news appealing for their return. He was in the mental hospital beacause he totally broke down after being caught. Maxine also knew he had killed them and tried to help him cover it up. She also wasnt mentally ill

[bendoon]

Don't you mean forensic evidence? You didn't read the whole piece did you?
Put the whole thing together.

Huntley admitted that the girls had died in his house, however claimed that he accidentally knocked Holly into the bath while helping her control a nosebleed, and causing her to drown. Jessica witnessed this and he suffocated her while attempting to stifle her screaming, and that by the time he realised what he was doing, it was too late to save either of them. Based on this evidence, he admitted manslaughter.
The jury however, rejected his claims that the girls had died accidentally and on 17 December 2003 returned a majority verdict of guilty on both counts of murder.

So there is no evidence whatsoever apart from an admission he made after being held illegally in Rampton.

[geezer661]

heres his assessment:

Mental assessment
Ian Huntley's mental state was assessed as to whether he suffered from mental illness and if he was fit to stand trial. This assessment took place at Rampton Secure Hospital and was carried out by consultant psychiatrist, Dr. Christopher Clark.

Dr. Clark stated in court that:

“ Although Mr. Huntley made clear attempts to appear insane, I have no doubt that the man currently, and at the time of the murders, was both physically and mentally sound and therefore, if he is found guilty, carried out the murders totally aware of his actions"

[griffinman]

Members of the government, the miltary and satanists are also capable of being murdering paedos BTW

Yep, everyone's got their favorite 'enemy.'
And those are yours.. which is why when they're named, you believe it from the word go. Even it means the 'witnesses' are a couple of mentals.
Like in another a case I could mention...

[griffinman]

So there is no evidence whatsoever apart from an admission he made after being held illegally in Rampton.

The evidence against Huntley was escalating daily. The location of the bodies further tied him to the case because he was known to have previously gone plane spotting in the area. Moreover, the area was in close proximity to his fathers house.

During a more intensive search of his house and car, forensics specialists found fibers that were eventually matched to the girls clothes. There was also evidence of Huntleys hairs found on Holly and Jessicas soccer jerseys, as well as fibers from his clothes and carpets from his house and car. Furthermore, investigators were able to trace the last signal from Jessicas mobile phone, which she had with her at the time of her disappearance, to a small area directly near Huntleys home.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/ian_huntley/3.html

And he confessed.

[bendoon]

heres his assessment:

Mental assessment
Ian Huntley's mental state was assessed as to whether he suffered from mental illness and if he was fit to stand trial. This assessment took place at Rampton Secure Hospital and was carried out by consultant psychiatrist, Dr. Christopher Clark.

Dr. Clark stated in court that:

“ Although Mr. Huntley made clear attempts to appear insane, I have no doubt that the man currently, and at the time of the murders, was both physically and mentally sound and therefore, if he is found guilty, carried out the murders totally aware of his actions"

Only people who have already been detained under the mental health act are allowed to be held at Rampton.

If he had already been detained under the mental health act, he was not fit to stand trial. If he had not been already detained under the act he was held illegally at Rampton. Either way the trial was illegal and anything he said after being held there is suspect.

[geezer661]

Only people who have already been detained under the mental health act are allowed to be held at Rampton.

If he had already been detained under the mental health act, he was not fit to stand trial. If he had not been already detained under the act he was held illegally at Rampton. Either way the trial was illegal and anything he said after being held there is suspect.

mental illnesses are not illnesses for life

wht a fkin peedo apologist,

if you had yr way he'd be free. i wonder how many victims he would be on now if you had yr way

but hey you support him but not enough to babysit for you eh :rolleyes:

[griffinman]

Only people who have already been detained under the mental health act are allowed to be held at Rampton.
If he had already been detained under the mental health act, he was not fit to stand trial. If he had not been already detained under the act he was held illegally at Rampton. Either way the trial was illegal and anything he said after being held there is suspect.

Great, now you want him free on a technicality.

http://www.magnificentbastard.com/images/pics/dirty-harry.jpg

you gotta be kidding me...

[bendoon]

mental illnesses are not illnesses for life

wht a fkin peedo apologist,

if you had yr way he'd be free. i wonder how many victims he would be on now if you had yr way

but hey you support him but not enough to babysit for you eh :rolleyes:

I would rather see the real culprits in Jail than some random guy they picked on to carry the can.

You and the mob got their way, the real culprits are free and some wierdo is rotting in jail.

Good outcome :rolleyes:

Great, now you want him free on a technicality.

you gotta be kidding me...

Its a bit more than a technicality, should every suspect of every crime be kept at Rampton or Broadmoor ?

I would guess that they could get anyone to admit to anything after two weeks in there.


I will admit I don't know that he is innocent, just that the whole thing stinks, if he had admitted it after having been detained in a normal Remand prison I would not question his admission, but no one knows what happened to him in Rampton and it casts a huge shadow over the whole trial.

[o_rourke]

I would rather see the real culprits in Jail than some random guy they picked on to carry the can.

You and the mob got their way, the real culprits are free and some wierdo is rotting in jail.

Good outcome :rolleyes:



Its a bit more than a technicality, should every suspect of every crime be kept at Rampton or Broadmoor ?

+1.

I'm a bit tired of being called a paedo supporter too when there's enough evidence of paedos in our very own government helping to pass laws to protect themselves.

[o_rourke]

The evidence against Huntley was escalating daily. The location of the bodies further tied him to the case because he was known to have previously gone plane spotting in the area. Moreover, the area was in close proximity to his fathers house.

During a more intensive search of his house and car, forensics specialists found fibers that were eventually matched to the girls clothes. There was also evidence of Huntleys hairs found on Holly and Jessicas soccer jerseys, as well as fibers from his clothes and carpets from his house and car. Furthermore, investigators were able to trace the last signal from Jessicas mobile phone, which she had with her at the time of her disappearance, to a small area directly near Huntleys home.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/ian_huntley/3.html

And he confessed.

So the evidence couldn't have been planted by visiting policemen when questioning him after he freely admitted to seeing them that day?

He could have confessed through duress as we've no idea why he was never charged in the first place but instead banged up in a mental hospital.

And the mobile phone could have been anywhere near the vicinity but no proof that it was at Huntley's home.

[geezer661]

I would rather see the real culprits in Jail than some random guy they picked on to carry the can.

You and the mob got their way, the real culprits are free and some wierdo is rotting in jail.

Good outcome :rolleyes:



Its a bit more than a technicality, should every suspect of every crime bee kept at Rampton or Broadmoor ?

yes of course hes innocent.

admitted it

shirts found in his bin

his hair found with the shirts

the bin smelt of petrol as with the girls bodies

the same mud found on his car as at the desposal scene

finger prints on the bin liner tht contained the bodies

witnesses saw him sanitising the back of his car

ripped out the lining of the boot of his car and destroying it

detsroyed the rug on the back seat of his car

replaced all four tires on his car

offered the mechanic who perfomed the work a bribe to record a false registration number

fiber and hair evidence, there were also traces of chalk, concrete, soil and other materials found in and beneath Huntleys car, which were forensically linked to the area where the girls bodies were found

yep tht cunts innocent

along with OJ Simpson, Myra hyndley, Jon Venables Roy Whiting

[o_rourke]

yes of course hes innocent.

admitted it

shirts found in his bin

his hair found with the shirts

the bin smelt of petrol as with the girls bodies

the same mud found on his car as at the desposal scene

finger prints on the bin liner tht contained the bodies

witnesses saw him sanitising the back of his car

ripped out the lining of the boot of his car and destroying it

detsroyed the rug on the back seat of his car

replaced all four tires on his car

offered the mechanic who perfomed the work a bribe to record a false registration number

fiber and hair evidence, there were also traces of chalk, concrete, soil and other materials found in and beneath Huntleys car, which were forensically linked to the area where the girls bodies were found

yep tht cunts innocent

along with OJ Simpson, Myra hyndley, Jon Venables Roy Whiting

Was all that evidence found before or after they banged him up in a mental hospital and then after months of pleading innocent, and then two weeks before the trial, he's suddenly fit to plead guilty?

Yes the forensic evidence seems irrefutable, but it doesn't mean that it couldn't have been planted in the first place to hide other factors like a US military connection, which let's face it, wouldn't have helped Blair and Bush's cause on their 'War Against Terror', would it?

[velma]

You could be right about him dying in prison....
Then again if somebody tried to 'fight his corner' and prove his innocense they would end up dead aswell!

We are being acclimated and conditioned for that eventuality with stories of attacks and attempted suicide, so no-one will be surprised or sorry when his death in prison is announced:

From Martin Brunt the stupid c**t: "...you can't escape the conclusion that one day Huntley's exit from prison will be permanent. And I don't mean parole."

http://blogs.news.sky.com/lifeofcrime/Post:fb4a2d60-b09e-4a81-8b0b-0c1fac61be46

No one here mentioned MKULTRA, only a false memory implant which explains his "confession."

[geezer661]

Was all that evidence found before or after they banged him up in a mental hospital and then after months of pleading innocent, and then two weeks before the trial, he's suddenly fit to plead guilty?

Yes the forensic evidence seems irrefutable, but it doesn't mean that it couldn't have been planted in the first place to hide other factors like a US military connection, which let's face it, wouldn't have helped Blair and Bush's cause on their 'War Against Terror', would it?

yes the hundreds of police involved in the case, all the detectives, the forensic scientists involved all got together one night and said hey lets all get together and frame a peedo for killing two girls. Dont think so

[geezer661]

how does maxine carr fit in to your theory? She wasnt mentally ill. She helped him cover up his crimes

[bendoon]

yes of course hes innocent.

admitted it

shirts found in his bin

his hair found with the shirts

the bin smelt of petrol as with the girls bodies

the same mud found on his car as at the desposal scene

finger prints on the bin liner tht contained the bodies

witnesses saw him sanitising the back of his car

ripped out the lining of the boot of his car and destroying it

detsroyed the rug on the back seat of his car

replaced all four tires on his car

offered the mechanic who perfomed the work a bribe to record a false registration number

fiber and hair evidence, there were also traces of chalk, concrete, soil and other materials found in and beneath Huntleys car, which were forensically linked to the area where the girls bodies were found

yep tht cunts innocent

along with OJ Simpson, Myra hyndley, Jon Venables Roy Whiting

Childs play, not a patch on what they did to cover up 9/11 or 7/7.

Easy peasy

[geezer661]

Childs play, not a patch on what they did to cover up 9/11 or 7/7.

Easy peasy

w/e

like i said if he was found with the bodies covered in blood

you lot would blame MKUltra

[griffinman]

No one here mentioned MKULTRA, only a false memory implant which explains his "confession."

Oh that's explains it....
Thanks for the correction.

yes because mentioning Mkultra would be *nuts*

[mightyoak]

Anyone know the guy's name and number, who did this ?






I'd like to send a thankyou card and some extra treats for his efforts.







.

[geezer661]

Anyone know the guy's name and number, who did this ?






I'd like to send a thankyou card and some extra treats for his efforts.







.

me too +1

[o_rourke]

how does maxine carr fit in to your theory? She wasnt mentally ill. She helped him cover up his crimes

She gave him an alibi after he became frightened that it was looking likely that he was the only suspect that they were homing in on? Who knows. But she might as well have killed them herself given the way she was subsequently treated afterwards.

[griffinman]

Was all that evidence found before or after they banged him up in a mental hospital and then after months of pleading innocent, and then two weeks before the trial, he's suddenly fit to plead guilty?


Because he was pretending to be mental.
Taken there for psychological evaluation.
"Anyone can pretend for a day... not for weeks"

[velma]

how does maxine carr fit in to your theory? She wasnt mentally ill. She helped him cover up his crimes

She lied to protect the man she loved from being stitched up, rather naïvely perhaps, but that hardly puts her on a par with Myra Hindley which is the name the inmates in Holloway taunted her with, after prompting by the gutter press, which you seem to place your faith in.

[geezer661]

She gave him an alibi after he became frightened that it was looking likely that he was the only suspect that they were homing in on? Who knows. But she might as well have killed them herself given the way she was subsequently treated afterwards.

yes we should shower her with treats for covering up the killing of two young girls by a peedo

Hoooray Hero Maxine!!!!

[o_rourke]

Anyone know the guy's name and number, who did this ?






I'd like to send a thankyou card and some extra treats for his efforts


Murdering a few hundred innocents in Iraq, perhaps?

[geezer661]

She lied to protect the man she loved from being stitched up, rather naïvely perhaps, but that hardly puts her on a par with Myra Hindley which is the name the inmates in Holloway taunted her with, after prompting by the gutter press, which you seem to place your faith in.

not from being stitched up

covering him so he dint get caught

[geezer661]

Because he was pretending to be mental.
Taken there for psychological evaluation.
"Anyone can pretend for a day... not for weeks"

yeah +1

its funny how many ppl turn mental when they get caught

[o_rourke]

Because he was pretending to be mental.
Taken there for psychological evaluation.
"Anyone can pretend for a day... not for weeks"


Who said he was pretending to be mental? Is there any proof that he asked to be banged up in a mental hospital when he was arrested?

[geezer661]

Who said he was pretending to be mental? Is there any proof that he asked to be banged up in a mental hospital when he was arrested?


Ian Huntley's mental state was assessed as to whether he suffered from mental illness and if he was fit to stand trial. This assessment took place at Rampton Secure Hospital and was carried out by consultant psychiatrist, Dr. Christopher Clark.

Dr. Clark stated in court that:

“ Although Mr. Huntley made clear attempts to appear insane, I have no doubt that the man currently, and at the time of the murders, was both physically and mentally sound and therefore, if he is found guilty, carried out the murders totally aware of his actions

[o_rourke]

yes we should shower her with treats for covering up the killing of two young girls by a peedo

Hoooray Hero Maxine!!!!

No not at all. I think she was naive, stupid and desperately sorry for the man she cared about, and also who she sensed was fearing being stitched up for something she felt he couldn't be capable of.

[o_rourke]

Ian Huntley's mental state was assessed as to whether he suffered from mental illness and if he was fit to stand trial. This assessment took place at Rampton Secure Hospital and was carried out by consultant psychiatrist, Dr. Christopher Clark.

Dr. Clark stated in court that:

“ Although Mr. Huntley made clear attempts to appear insane, I have no doubt that the man currently, and at the time of the murders, was both physically and mentally sound and therefore, if he is found guilty, carried out the murders totally aware of his actions


Yes, but he was never properly charged at the time of the murders and put in jail, was he? Instead he was banged up by the very shrinks who deemed him sane once they got a 'guilty' confession out of him. A bit of a contradiction there, don't you think?

[geezer661]

No not at all. I think she was naive, stupid and desperately sorry for the man she cared about, and also who she sensed was fearing being stitched up for something she felt he couldn't be capable of.


Carr, under cross-examination in the witness box, had frequently referred to her ex-lover as "Mr Huntley" or "your client" and said she was scared of him and that he controlled her.

She had earlier insisted he had left her with no choice but to lie, and that she was "pushed into a corner".

She told the jury: "I was pushed into a corner.

"Mr Huntley put me into a position where I couldn't do anything but do that.


yeah sure sounds she was stopping him getting stiched up

[geezer661]

Yes, but he was never properly charged at the time of the murders and put in jail, was he? Instead he was banged up by the very shrinks who deemed him sane once they got a 'guilty' confession out of him. A bit of a contradiction there, don't you think?

this was wether he was sane enough to stand trial and he was clearly making it up

[griffinman]

He could have confessed through duress as we've no idea why he was never charged in the first place but instead banged up in a mental hospital.


Please, at least read up the case...
confessed under duress?
He also confessed to his parents...

[geezer661]

Please, at least read up the case...
confessed under duress?
He also confessed to his parents...

he confessed through MKUltra mind control LOL

[bendoon]

This assessment took place at Rampton Secure Hospital and was carried out by consultant psychiatrist, Dr. Christopher Clark.

Illegal.

Rampton is for people who have already been certified as mentally ill.

Rampton Hospital houses about 400 patients who have been detained under the Mental Health Act 1983 under one of these classifications:

* Mental illness
* Psychopathic (personality) disorder
* (Severe) mental impairment, which is the legal term for what would now be called a learning disability.[1]


Rampton Secure Hospital - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[o_rourke]

Carr, under cross-examination in the witness box, had frequently referred to her ex-lover as "Mr Huntley" or "your client" and said she was scared of him and that he controlled her.

She had earlier insisted he had left her with no choice but to lie, and that she was "pushed into a corner".

She told the jury: "I was pushed into a corner.

"Mr Huntley put me into a position where I couldn't do anything but do that.


yeah sure sounds she was stopping him getting stiched up

Sorry, but I think she's been worked on too. She was in Holloway prison for months before the trial. I also read somewhere that she tried to contact Huntley, but wasn't allowed to do so. This doesn't tie up with someone who's afraid of her lover.

[griffinman]

he confessed through MKUltra mind control LOL

lol:D can believe it? lmao

must change tires, *zzzzzz* must change tires... *zzzz*

[geezer661]

Illegal.

Rampton is for people who have already been certified as mentally ill.

its not illegal. Its hospital policy tht they only have patients there tht have a past illness. Nothing illegal about it

[geezer661]

Sorry, but I think she's been worked on too. She was in Holloway prison for months before the trial. I also read somewhere that she tried to contact Huntley, but wasn't allowed to do so. This doesn't tie up with someone who's afraid of her lover.

yea everyone in the case was under mind control

[o_rourke]

Please, at least read up the case...
confessed under duress?
He also confessed to his parents...

Confessed what to his parents? That he had seen Hollie and Jessica that day before they went missing? Or are you suggesting that he confessed to killing them? Was this stated by the parents in court?

[bendoon]

its not illegal. Its hospital policy tht they only have patients there tht have a past illness. Nothing illegal about it

Its illegal to hold someone at Rampton unless they have been detained under the Mental Health Act.

If he had already been detained under the Mental Health Act then he was not fit to stand trial.

[griffinman]

Confessed what to his parents? That he had seen Hollie and Jessica that day before they went missing? Or are you suggesting that he confessed to killing them? Was this stated by the parents in court?

already been answered in this very thread.
:cool:

[o_rourke]

yea everyone in the case was under mind control


One of them perhaps had their mind damaged whilst being held in a mental hospital; the other terrified out of her wits and probably lied to and bullied whilst being questioned constantly by the police.

So we're talking about two perfect patsies here, not everyone. As for setting them up, there only need be a couple of detectives 'in on it' taking orders from above and not the whole police force.

[bendoon]

Wasn't one of the police officers involved in the case caught with some child porn ?

[o_rourke]

Wasn't one of the police officers involved in the case caught with some child porn ?

According to Joe Viall's report, there were two officers involved in child porn.

[geezer661]

Its illegal to hold someone at Rampton unless they have been detained under the Mental Health Act.

If he had already been detained under the Mental Health Act then he was not fit to stand trial.

like i said not all mental illnesses are for life

[geezer661]

One of them perhaps had their mind damaged whilst being held in a mental hospital; the other terrified out of her wits and probably lied to and bullied whilst being questioned constantly by the police.

So we're talking about two perfect patsies here, not everyone. As for setting them up, there only need be a couple of detectives 'in on it' taking orders from above and not the whole police force.

any part of it tht doesnt fit in with yr theory must be part of some mind control

[bendoon]

like i said not all mental illnesses are for life

So, conveniently, they certify him fit to stand trial and he is a dithering wreck, whereas before he went to Rampton he was able to speak coherently and convincingly in front of a TV camera.

Strange things do happen and this case wreaks of it. He might be guilty, but it looks to me like someone in high places is being covered up for. I don't just go round defending peado's on a whim.

[o_rourke]

any part of it tht doesnt fit in with yr theory must be part of some mind control

It wouldn't be the first time there's been a miscarriage of justice in this country, would it?

It's not like our government to go to extaordinary lengths to cover things up or even create their own 'theories' to fit their agenda.

Dunblane and Bloody Sunday for starters. Why put 50 and 100 year lockups on these reports if they have nothing to hide?

And then we have umpteen paedo rings that took years to uncover with again little to no help from the government, police and judicial system.

Ian Huntley and Maxine Carr must've been a breeze to set up in comparison to other cases. And don't forget that the 'War on Terror' was just too important and Blair and Bush couldn't afford for those good ole troops to come under any public backlash when just about to get them ready to fight the 'baddies'

[rodin]

According to Joe Viall's report, there were two officers involved in child porn.

Joe Vialls was a credible researcher IMO. Actually his wife was a virulent communist I heard from a personal contact. Anyone know anything about her? Another Jewish female assassin I think. Joe Vialls was Ari Ben Monashe - and Jewish himself. Because he left the dark side slow poisoning.

[kanz]

Yes, it's hard to dispute his own words after being banged up in a mental hospital instead of jail and charged when the time was running out for the police interrogation. They had free range to work on him and do what the heck that they wanted....including mental torture to the point that he'd say anything to appease them. Isn't that a possibility?

Wait , they sent the guy to a mental house?

I didnt know that.

[geezer661]

So, conveniently, they certify him fit to stand trial and he is a dithering wreck, whereas before he went to Rampton he was able to speak coherently and convincingly in front of a TV camera.

Strange things do happen and this case wreaks of it. He might be guilty, but it looks to me like someone in high places is being covered up for. I don't just go round defending peado's on a whim.

so you were there seeing him dithering ? Whats ur source

[geezer661]

Wait , they sent the guy to a mental house?

I didnt know that.

They sent him there because he tried the usual trick of trying to get out of it by claiming insanity

[o_rourke]

Joe Vialls was a credible researcher IMO. Actually his wife was a virulent communist I heard from a personal contact. Anyone know anything about her? Another Jewish female assassin I think. Joe Vialls was Ari Ben Monashe - and Jewish himself. Because he left the dark side slow poisoning.

Sorry, Rodin. I don't know much about him other than reading his and one or two other's reports.

[o_rourke]

They sent him there because he tried the usual trick of trying to get out of it by claiming insanity

Were you there watching him claiming insanity?

[velma]

Wasn't one of the police officers involved in the case caught with some child porn ?

When I first heard this I thought typical, they send a paedo as the liaison officer to the bereaved families, but Joe had another theory.


According to the BBC, Detective Constable Brian Stevens and one other unnamed officer from the team investigating the murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, were arrested at 7 am yesterday on suspicion of child pornography offences, apparently detected by the child pornography monitoring American “Operation Candyman” run by the FBI with CIA assistance. Tips from Candyman are routed through the British police anti-pornography unit at the Home Office, code-named Operation Ore.

DC Stevens was one of four family liaison officers made available to the families 24-hours-a-day, from the time Holly and Jessica went missing on 4 August, and he also read out a poem at the memorial service for Jessica and her best friend Holly Wells. The other officer arrested, of unknown rank, also worked on the inquiry into the girls' deaths.

While only a fool would completely rule out possible guilt where either of these two officers are concerned, it must be said that the timing of the arrests was extremely useful for people in high places. With no case against Ian Huntley or Maxine Carr, and none likely in the foreseeable future, media attention might eventually wander towards the huge USAF base at Lakenheath, where the bodies of the two girls were found.

With Prime Minister Tony Blair psyching-up an unpopular attack on Iraq in which USAF Lakenheath and nearby USAF Mildenhall would play pivotal roles, the power brokers in London and Washington simply could not afford a scandal involving either base. Putting two local police officers in the frame, whether they are guilty or innocent, will certainly deflect attention away from Lakenheath and Mildenhall – at least for a while.

Though this analysis is obviously speculative, it is certainly no more speculative than suddenly arresting two officers on suspicion of child pornography offences, when the real shock-wave of “Operation Candyman” arrests in Britain and Australia took place more than four months ago, during May 2002.

Furthermore, if these two officers had been genuine suspects at that time, Operation Ore would have taken discreet steps to have them sidelined into non-operational work, certainly well away from any controversial investigation into the two missing ten-year-old girls, Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.

Curiously perhaps, the two officers were apparently arrested “on suspicion of inciting others to distribute indecent photographs of children - an offence contrary to common law”. This does not necessarily mean that any such “incitement” would require the use of computer equipment located in their homes or offices. The officers could, for example, have been “framed” by an informant calling Operation Candyman in America on the telephone, or by anyone sending an email or facsimile.

Cambridgeshire's Acting Deputy Chief Constable Keith Hoddy - the man in charge of the Holly and Jessica operation – decided to call in an outside force to investigate, which is normal enough in these cases. West Midlands Police will conduct the investigation under the supervision of the Police Complaints Authority at the Home Office.

Check the timeline with me here. Large number of Candyman arrests were made in May 2002, but not these two officers. In August 2002 the same two officers were heavily engaged in the hunt for Holly and Jessica, without being discreetly excluded by Operation Ore. By late August and in early September both officers were heavily involved with the parents of the dead children, but were still not discreetly removed by Operation Ore.

On Tuesday 10 September Ian Huntley appeared in Peterborough court, and despite the psychiatric abuse he has suffered at Rampton, refused to plead “guilty” to the two murders. He was immediately remanded back to Rampton for another 28 days in La La Land, but essentially the game was up. Sooner rather than later the bored media would start looking around for other more likely suspects.

Wednesday 11 September was the anniversary of the attack on New York, with most people in America quietly sobbing into their handkerchiefs, so what were the FBI or CIA doing putting through a call to Operation Ore about these two “suddenly” suspicious officers, right in the middle of tear jerking ceremonies being held across the length and breadth of the USA?. Gee, it must have been important! Or perhaps it was just simple agency concern about the ongoing availability of the twin bases at Lakenheath and Mildenhall for George W. Bush.

Then very neatly at 7 am on Thursday 12 September, a mere two days after Ian Huntley stubbornly refused to take the drop for crimes he did not commit, Detective Constable Stevens and his colleague were arrested. The Police Complaints Authority became involved immediately, which from memory it normally only does if a complaint is laid before it by an individual, or by the Inspectorate of Constabulary at the Home Office.

With an independent constabulary involved, and especially the very heavy Police Complaints Authority, there is absolutely no chance of either officer being cleared overnight, so to speak. If only because of the onerous paperwork involved, the investigation of the Soham officers will take weeks rather than days. This page will be updated as and when there is something to report, but for the moment at least, and unless hard evidence is presented, my money is on the two officers being used as deliberate decoys.

By Joe Vialls


Incidentally, the only motive for murder that the media has offered is this crap:

"Huntley's reasons for committing the murders may never be known, but minutes before seeing the girls, Huntley had slammed the telephone down on Carr, after a furious argument. Huntley had allegedly suspected Carr of cheating on him. The police suspected that Huntley killed the girls in a fit of jealous rage."

How many folk commit a double murder after a lover's tiff? And show me one shred of evidence that Huntley was a paedophile, apart from the prosecutor's presumption? Unusually, no child-porn material was retrieved at his house.

[blondie]

yep, I've read the transcripts of the case. (anyone else here done that?)
He's guilty. 'sorry'
I know you want a 33° freemason Judge, knight of templars to be the one responsible, but it wasn't; it a was a lone pedophile/rapist caretaker.

but you carry on believing your 'gut instinct' and reading the 'illuminati-news blog..'
btw Is there actually a time when something isn't a conspiracy on there?

Hey, where can I find the transcripts? Cheers :)

[freedom1st]

When I first heard this I thought typical, they send a paedo as the liaison officer to the bereaved families, but Joe had another theory.


According to the BBC, Detective Constable Brian Stevens and one other unnamed officer from the team investigating the murders of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman, were arrested at 7 am yesterday on suspicion of child pornography offences, apparently detected by the child pornography monitoring American “Operation Candyman” run by the FBI with CIA assistance. Tips from Candyman are routed through the British police anti-pornography unit at the Home Office, code-named Operation Ore.

DC Stevens was one of four family liaison officers made available to the families 24-hours-a-day, from the time Holly and Jessica went missing on 4 August, and he also read out a poem at the memorial service for Jessica and her best friend Holly Wells. The other officer arrested, of unknown rank, also worked on the inquiry into the girls' deaths.

While only a fool would completely rule out possible guilt where either of these two officers are concerned, it must be said that the timing of the arrests was extremely useful for people in high places. With no case against Ian Huntley or Maxine Carr, and none likely in the foreseeable future, media attention might eventually wander towards the huge USAF base at Lakenheath, where the bodies of the two girls were found.

With Prime Minister Tony Blair psyching-up an unpopular attack on Iraq in which USAF Lakenheath and nearby USAF Mildenhall would play pivotal roles, the power brokers in London and Washington simply could not afford a scandal involving either base. Putting two local police officers in the frame, whether they are guilty or innocent, will certainly deflect attention away from Lakenheath and Mildenhall – at least for a while.

Though this analysis is obviously speculative, it is certainly no more speculative than suddenly arresting two officers on suspicion of child pornography offences, when the real shock-wave of “Operation Candyman” arrests in Britain and Australia took place more than four months ago, during May 2002.

Furthermore, if these two officers had been genuine suspects at that time, Operation Ore would have taken discreet steps to have them sidelined into non-operational work, certainly well away from any controversial investigation into the two missing ten-year-old girls, Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.

Curiously perhaps, the two officers were apparently arrested “on suspicion of inciting others to distribute indecent photographs of children - an offence contrary to common law”. This does not necessarily mean that any such “incitement” would require the use of computer equipment located in their homes or offices. The officers could, for example, have been “framed” by an informant calling Operation Candyman in America on the telephone, or by anyone sending an email or facsimile.

Cambridgeshire's Acting Deputy Chief Constable Keith Hoddy - the man in charge of the Holly and Jessica operation – decided to call in an outside force to investigate, which is normal enough in these cases. West Midlands Police will conduct the investigation under the supervision of the Police Complaints Authority at the Home Office.

Check the timeline with me here. Large number of Candyman arrests were made in May 2002, but not these two officers. In August 2002 the same two officers were heavily engaged in the hunt for Holly and Jessica, without being discreetly excluded by Operation Ore. By late August and in early September both officers were heavily involved with the parents of the dead children, but were still not discreetly removed by Operation Ore.

On Tuesday 10 September Ian Huntley appeared in Peterborough court, and despite the psychiatric abuse he has suffered at Rampton, refused to plead “guilty” to the two murders. He was immediately remanded back to Rampton for another 28 days in La La Land, but essentially the game was up. Sooner rather than later the bored media would start looking around for other more likely suspects.

Wednesday 11 September was the anniversary of the attack on New York, with most people in America quietly sobbing into their handkerchiefs, so what were the FBI or CIA doing putting through a call to Operation Ore about these two “suddenly” suspicious officers, right in the middle of tear jerking ceremonies being held across the length and breadth of the USA?. Gee, it must have been important! Or perhaps it was just simple agency concern about the ongoing availability of the twin bases at Lakenheath and Mildenhall for George W. Bush.

Then very neatly at 7 am on Thursday 12 September, a mere two days after Ian Huntley stubbornly refused to take the drop for crimes he did not commit, Detective Constable Stevens and his colleague were arrested. The Police Complaints Authority became involved immediately, which from memory it normally only does if a complaint is laid before it by an individual, or by the Inspectorate of Constabulary at the Home Office.

With an independent constabulary involved, and especially the very heavy Police Complaints Authority, there is absolutely no chance of either officer being cleared overnight, so to speak. If only because of the onerous paperwork involved, the investigation of the Soham officers will take weeks rather than days. This page will be updated as and when there is something to report, but for the moment at least, and unless hard evidence is presented, my money is on the two officers being used as deliberate decoys.

By Joe Vialls


Incidentally, the only motive for murder that the media has offered is this crap:

"Huntley's reasons for committing the murders may never be known, but minutes before seeing the girls, Huntley had slammed the telephone down on Carr, after a furious argument. Huntley had allegedly suspected Carr of cheating on him. The police suspected that Huntley killed the girls in a fit of jealous rage."

How many folk commit a double murder after a lover's tiff? And show me one shred of evidence that Huntley was a paedophile, apart from the prosecutor's presumption? Unusually, no child-porn material was retrieved at his house.

Or, it could be that those two police officers did not think Huntley was guilty and would not go along with a fit up. So then they had to be discredited for the fit up to be successful.

[geezer661]

Or, it could be that those two police officers did not think Huntley was guilty and would not go along with a fit up. So then they had to be discredited for the fit up to be successful.

yeah and they would have spoke out. This fit up theory gets worse

[freedom1st]

yeah and they would have spoke out. This fit up theory gets worse

Geezer, I don't know either way, this is quite new to me. I was just putting forward another possibility based on the article posted by velma. However, if it were along the lines of what I suggested then I would have to disagree with you re: them being able to speak out. You know how this goes - when someone is discredited the msm will not air their pov, just doesn't happen.

[velma]

Or, it could be that those two police officers did not think Huntley was guilty and would not go along with a fit up. So then they had to be discredited for the fit up to be successful.

Yes, that was my thinking... or they knew too much!

I corresponded with Joe Vialls on this case as it unfolded, keeping him updated on developments in the UK press, because he was in Australia. I sent him the link to the Guardian's FMS article which my good friend Paulo, the OP, kindly sent to me. Joe included it in his analysis. Paulo is one of the most perceptive sleuths on the net and always 'on the money.'

[geezer661]

Yes, that was my thinking... or they knew too much!

I corresponded with Joe Vialls on this case as it unfolded, keeping him updated on developments in the UK press, because he was in Australia. I sent him the link to the Guardian's FMS article which my good friend Paulo, the OP, kindly sent to me. Joe included it in his analysis. Paulo is one of the most perceptive sleuths on the net and always 'on the money.'

how on earth could have been so great on the case if he was in Australia

[velma]

how on earth could have been so great on the case if he was in Australia

He had the internet and contacts in the intelligence agencies. :cool:

[geezer661]

theres alot of claims of mind control on tht site but nothing whatsoever to bk them up.

[paolo]

Geezer and Griffin are all over this. Perhaps one ought to respect their views. Perhaps I ought to answer them.. I can't help but suspect this kind of defensiveness and derogation over and over.It kind of flags an agenda.
Can I help you out?
Geezer's avatar of the little kid chained up while the father works ought to indicate the nature of this thing

[blondie]

I don't understand all this paedophile talk. I must be mistaken...Wasn't it the case that the bodies were too badly damaged from being set on fire, to find out if they had been sexually abused?

[paolo]

Unfortunately for him, he is not a popular cause to be seen campaigning for so he will probably die in prison.
He is approaching the latter thirties, approaching 40 at which this entaglement unravels according to Cathy O'Brien
They kill them at that age, expect a successful death for Huntley in the next few years

[geezer661]

I don't understand all this paedophile talk. I must be mistaken...Wasn't it the case that the bodies were too badly damaged from being set on fire, to find out if they had been sexually abused?

He's had previous for pedophilia

[geezer661]

Geezer and Griffin are all over this. Perhaps one ought to respect their views. Perhaps I ought to answer them.. I can't help but suspect this kind of defensiveness and derogation over and over.It kind of flags an agenda.
Can I help you out?
Geezer's avatar of the little kid chained up while the father works ought to indicate the nature of this thing

Yes me and griffinman are working for the lizard people. Yes everythin tht doesn't fit with yr warped beliefs is a hidden agenda that is against you. I had tht avatar because I think it is a cute baby. But hey the dad is a monster eh? Why don't he just pop his child down the local nursery. Well he can't he's a poor man and his child is all he has. He can't be a conspiracy doley like most of the ppl on here. So get off yr moral high horse and stop trying to derail the thread by saying were lizards.

[armoured_amazon]

What a travesty. :mad:

[geezer661]

What a travesty. :mad:

what is?

[griffinman]

He is approaching the latter thirties, approaching 40 at which this entaglement unravels according to Cathy O'Brien


Cathy O'Brien? I read her book, friggin hilarious.

She said she was 'mind controlled'(yup mkultra) and raped by George Bush snr, George Bush jr, Bill Clinton, and er Glen Campbell, and Willie Nelson.

wait...

ah Ha ha haa :D:D please... no more...:D:D

http://media.marketwire.com/attachments/200702/TN-313757_CathyOBrienPic.jpg

Surely there must be another logical explanation?
Perhaps she's a victim of MkultraMentalist.

[geezer661]

Cathy O'Brien? I read her book, friggin hilarious.

She said she was 'mind controlled'(yup mkultra) and raped by George Bush snr, George Bush jr, Bill Clinton, and er Glen Campbell, and Willie Nelson.

wait...

ah Ha ha haa :D:D please... no more...:D:D

http://media.marketwire.com/attachments/200702/TN-313757_CathyOBrienPic.jpg

Surely there must be another logical explanation?
Perhaps she's a victim of MkultraMentalist.

yep shes seriously delusional

i dont know why icke has put so much faith in her

[griffinman]

I corresponded with Joe Vialls on this case as it unfolded, keeping him updated on developments in the UK press, because he was in Australia.

I think maybe that's where he went wrong....

[geezer661]

i think maybe that's where he went wrong....

lol

[griffinman]

Hey, where can I find the transcripts? Cheers :)

I read it years ago..when I was going through my 'interest in crime' phase, on some site, I think they released them free for a month like they do with the UFO files.

You have to pay now...:mad:

http://www.bailii.org/

Maybe mr pirate might have one.;)

[griffinman]

yep shes seriously delusional

i dont know why icke has put so much faith in her

Too right..:D
What did say? something like Bill Clinton likes to hunt homeless people on some estate somewhere... pmsl...

[velma]

He's had previous for pedophilia


Oh dear... resorting to downright lies now strengthen your case?

He had consensual sex with a fifteen year old when he was twenty-one.

Hardly paedophilia.

How utterly disturbing that Geezer and Griffinman find the "Dangerous Game" played by Cheney, Bush, Clinton etc amusing...

I suppose you think the Franklin cover-up is hilarious too?

[geezer661]

Oh dear... resorting to downright lies now strengthen your case?

He had consensual sex with a fifteen year old when he was twenty-one.

Hardly paedophilia.

How utterly disturbing that Geezer and Griffinman find the "Dangerous Game" played by Cheney, Bush, Clinton etc amusing... I suppose you think the Franklin cover-up is hilarious too?

its peedo in the eyes of the law and the eyes of the people. Fucking hell you can talk about lies making all this nonsense about mind control without a scrap of evidence

[geezer661]

Oh dear... resorting to downright lies now strengthen your case?

He had consensual sex with a fifteen year old when he was twenty-one.

Hardly paedophilia.

How utterly disturbing that Geezer and Griffinman find the "Dangerous Game" played by Cheney, Bush, Clinton etc amusing...

I suppose you think the Franklin cover-up is hilarious too?

well i find it disturbing people like you believing anything thts told to them without evidence being presented. But hey icke says its true, so it must be eh:rolleyes:

[bealert]

Hurray! Who slashed him? I'd like to buy them a pint. Why don't they put Venables and Huntley into a cage and let them fight to the death and televise it? for once there would be something worth watching on tv.
yet again a reminder that evil attracts evil..where will it ever stop

[geezer661]

yet again a reminder that evil attracts evil..where will it ever stop

evil for wanting to end the life of a sick bastard who took the lives away of two young girls?

You have a strange view of what evil is

[geezer661]

Oh dear... resorting to downright lies now strengthen your case?

He had consensual sex with a fifteen year old when he was twenty-one.

Hardly paedophilia.

How utterly disturbing that Geezer and Griffinman find the "Dangerous Game" played by Cheney, Bush, Clinton etc amusing...

I suppose you think the Franklin cover-up is hilarious too?

August 1995: Underage sex
A joint investigation by police and social services takes place following a complaint that Huntley was having sex with a 15-year-old-girl. The girl admits she was having sex with Huntley. Police decide not to pursue the matter in accordance with her wishes.

15 November 1995: Burglary
Huntley is alleged to have broken into a house in Grimsby via the loft of the next door house. He and an accomplice are said to have stolen electrical goods, jewellery and a small amount of cash. Huntley is arrested and charged with burglary in March 1996 which he admits. The case goes to court and is ordered to lie on file.

March 1996: Underage sex
Another complaint to social services that Huntley is having a sexual relationship with an underage girl. The girl denies the allegation. Social services say this was the only case in which the police are not involved.

April 1996: Underage sex
Another 15-year-old, another alleged underage sexual relationship. The mother of the girl brings the matter to the attention of her school and social services are alerted. Social services exchange information with the police, but the family does not wish to involve the police and no further action is taken.

May 1996: Underage sex
Another joint police and social services investigation, this time into allegations that Huntley had had sex with a 13-year-old girl. The girl denies sex had taken place. Supported by her mother she refuses to have a medical examination. In spite of the previous incident with the 15-year-old the police do not interview Huntley.

April 1998: Rape
Huntley is arrested after a woman claimed he had raped her. She met Huntley at a nightclub, they shared a taxi home and went back to her house. The alleged victim did have a medical examination. Huntley admits they had sex but claimed it was consensual. The police took the view there was not enough evidence to take the matter any further.

May 1998: Rape charge
Another woman claims Huntley raped her while she was walking home from a nightclub. She said Huntley attacked her in an isolated spot and threatened to kill her. Huntley again claims the sex was consensual. Huntley is charged with rape. After viewing CCTV footage from the nightclub, the Crown Prosecution Service decided there was no chance of a conviction and dropped the case.

July 1998: Indecent assault
A young girl claims she was subject to a serious indecent assault by a man called Ian 10 months before, when she was 12 years old. Huntley, who was living in her street at the time is arrested and denies the allegation.

Huntley had been living in a caravan with his then 15-year-old girlfriend - she was away that day. The 10-year-old told police he threatened her with pressure points saying he was an expert in martial arts, he had his hands round her neck and told her if she told anybody he would kill her.

She was interviewed but Humberside Police decided not to proceed with the case. The girl has suffered psychologically since that time. Social services are also involved in this case.

February 1999: Rape
A 17-year-old girl alleges that Huntley had raped her in February after meeting him at a night club. She had met him before and Huntley claimed the sex was consensual. The police decided there was not enough evidence to proceed.

July 1999: Rape
A woman is raped and Huntley was interviewed because of his previous behaviour. He was by this time using the name Nixon. He supplied a DNA sample and had an alibi provided by Maxine Carr. The woman subsequently said Huntley was not the rapist. This case was different in that in all the others the victims named or identified Huntley.




yep just all downright lies.

[velma]

August 1995: Underage sex
A joint investigation by police and social services takes place following a complaint that Huntley was having sex with a 15-year-old-girl. The girl admits she was having sex with Huntley. Police decide not to pursue the matter in accordance with her wishes.

15 November 1995: Burglary
Huntley is alleged to have broken into a house in Grimsby via the loft of the next door house. He and an accomplice are said to have stolen electrical goods, jewellery and a small amount of cash. Huntley is arrested and charged with burglary in March 1996 which he admits. The case goes to court and is ordered to lie on file.

March 1996: Underage sex
Another complaint to social services that Huntley is having a sexual relationship with an underage girl. The girl denies the allegation. Social services say this was the only case in which the police are not involved.

April 1996: Underage sex
Another 15-year-old, another alleged underage sexual relationship. The mother of the girl brings the matter to the attention of her school and social services are alerted. Social services exchange information with the police, but the family does not wish to involve the police and no further action is taken.

May 1996: Underage sex
Another joint police and social services investigation, this time into allegations that Huntley had had sex with a 13-year-old girl. The girl denies sex had taken place. Supported by her mother she refuses to have a medical examination. In spite of the previous incident with the 15-year-old the police do not interview Huntley.

April 1998: Rape
Huntley is arrested after a woman claimed he had raped her. She met Huntley at a nightclub, they shared a taxi home and went back to her house. The alleged victim did have a medical examination. Huntley admits they had sex but claimed it was consensual. The police took the view there was not enough evidence to take the matter any further.

May 1998: Rape charge
Another woman claims Huntley raped her while she was walking home from a nightclub. She said Huntley attacked her in an isolated spot and threatened to kill her. Huntley again claims the sex was consensual. Huntley is charged with rape. After viewing CCTV footage from the nightclub, the Crown Prosecution Service decided there was no chance of a conviction and dropped the case.

July 1998: Indecent assault
A young girl claims she was subject to a serious indecent assault by a man called Ian 10 months before, when she was 12 years old. Huntley, who was living in her street at the time is arrested and denies the allegation.

Huntley had been living in a caravan with his then 15-year-old girlfriend - she was away that day. The 10-year-old told police he threatened her with pressure points saying he was an expert in martial arts, he had his hands round her neck and told her if she told anybody he would kill her.

She was interviewed but Humberside Police decided not to proceed with the case. The girl has suffered psychologically since that time. Social services are also involved in this case.

February 1999: Rape
A 17-year-old girl alleges that Huntley had raped her in February after meeting him at a night club. She had met him before and Huntley claimed the sex was consensual. The police decided there was not enough evidence to proceed.

July 1999: Rape
A woman is raped and Huntley was interviewed because of his previous behaviour. He was by this time using the name Nixon. He supplied a DNA sample and had an alibi provided by Maxine Carr. The woman subsequently said Huntley was not the rapist. This case was different in that in all the others the victims named or identified Huntley.




yep just all downright lies.


Huntley's alleged sexual history was dredged up and plastered in 'The Sun' to make him look like a fiend, although the police said there was insufficient evidence and no charges were ever brought... none of these are proven facts, you are clutching at straws.

[shocker]

August 1995: Underage sex
A joint investigation by police and social services takes place following a complaint that Huntley was having sex with a 15-year-old-girl. The girl admits she was having sex with Huntley. Police decide not to pursue the matter in accordance with her wishes.

March 1996: Underage sex
Another complaint to social services that Huntley is having a sexual relationship with an underage girl. The girl denies the allegation. Social services say this was the only case in which the police are not involved.

April 1996: Underage sex
Another 15-year-old, another alleged underage sexual relationship. The mother of the girl brings the matter to the attention of her school and social services are alerted. Social services exchange information with the police, but the family does not wish to involve the police and no further action is taken.

May 1996: Underage sex
Another joint police and social services investigation, this time into allegations that Huntley had had sex with a 13-year-old girl. The girl denies sex had taken place. Supported by her mother she refuses to have a medical examination. In spite of the previous incident with the 15-year-old the police do not interview Huntley.

April 1998: Rape
Huntley is arrested after a woman claimed he had raped her. She met Huntley at a nightclub, they shared a taxi home and went back to her house. The alleged victim did have a medical examination. Huntley admits they had sex but claimed it was consensual. The police took the view there was not enough evidence to take the matter any further.

May 1998: Rape charge
Another woman claims Huntley raped her while she was walking home from a nightclub. She said Huntley attacked her in an isolated spot and threatened to kill her. Huntley again claims the sex was consensual. Huntley is charged with rape. After viewing CCTV footage from the nightclub, the Crown Prosecution Service decided there was no chance of a conviction and dropped the case.
July 1998: Indecent assault
A young girl claims she was subject to a serious indecent assault by a man called Ian 10 months before, when she was 12 years old. Huntley, who was living in her street at the time is arrested and denies the allegation.

Huntley had been living in a caravan with his then 15-year-old girlfriend - she was away that day. The 10-year-old told police he threatened her with pressure points saying he was an expert in martial arts, he had his hands round her neck and told her if she told anybody he would kill her.

She was interviewed but Humberside Police decided not to proceed with the case. The girl has suffered psychologically since that time. Social services are also involved in this case.

February 1999: Rape
A 17-year-old girl alleges that Huntley had raped her in February after meeting him at a night club. She had met him before and Huntley claimed the sex was consensual. The police decided there was not enough evidence to proceed.
July 1999: Rape
A woman is raped and Huntley was interviewed because of his previous behaviour. He was by this time using the name Nixon. He supplied a DNA sample and had an alibi provided by Maxine Carr. The woman subsequently said Huntley was not the rapist. This case was different in that in all the others the victims named or identified Huntley.


Geezer - I've highlighted the bits you seem to be unable to read....hope it helps. ;)

[hells hero]

Unfortunately for him, he is not a popular cause to be seen campaigning for so he will probably die in prison.

understatemet of all time!

[geezer661]

Huntley's alleged sexual history was dredged up and plastered in 'The Sun' to make him look like a fiend, although the police said there was insufficient evidence and no charges were ever brought... none of these are proven facts, you are clutching at straws.

yes every child he touched was lying

[elcribbo]

Huntley was framed and this whistle blower was killed for his views on the establishment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhoX2rvnMBI

Surprise sur-fucking-prise.

Does absolutely everything have to be some sort of hoax/coverup/conspiracy? Can't we just accept that sometimes the people in prison actually committed the crime they were sent down for?

Fuck Ian Huntley.

[wakeupworld]

I`ve no idea if Huntley`s past history regarding the allegations is true or not.

If true does that make him the proven killer of these girls? No

If untrue does it make him the proven killer of these girls? No


I`ve no idea if Huntley killed these girls.

We are told he did by the media and the courts.

Does this mean anyone here can prove 100% that he killed these girls? No


So guilty or innocent can anyone here prove it either way please because I am undecided .

[theoneeyedman]

Does absolutely everything have to be some sort of hoax/coverup/conspiracy?


Yes :)

[geezer661]

I`ve no idea if Huntley`s past history regarding the allegations is true or not.

If true does that make him the proven killer of these girls? No

If untrue does it make him the proven killer of these girls? No


I`ve no idea if Huntley killed these girls.

We are told he did by the media and the courts.

Does this mean anyone here can prove 100% that he killed these girls? No


So guilty or innocent can anyone here prove it either way please because I am undecided .

no his admission and the forensic evidence does

[geezer661]

funny how people on here believe forensic evidence when it supports their theory but its a coverup/illuminati when it dont

[klinker]

As horrific a case as this one is and despite efforts by some to dissuade people from researching it for themselves it seems to me that there are a large number of unanswered questions surrounding this case including the question of Huntley's guilt.

I found the following during my research travels. It raises some interesting points.

How many of you really know of the true facts of the Soham murders case .

How many of you know that the girls bodies were found on a USAF base at Lakenheath.

How many know that USAF servicemen contaminated the scene where the bodies were found and not even 1 USAF serviceman was questioned about it.

How many of you know that at the time of the Ian Huntley trial that hard evidence that the monster or monsters who murdered Holly and Jessica might well reside inside the razor wire at USAF Lakenheath, was provided at a Courts Martial held on 23 July 2003. A military judge found against Technical Sergeant Randy Bitter on three charges of child sex abuse. Tech Sgt Bitter pleaded guilty to carnal knowledge with a female child under 12 years of age, and two counts of indecent acts with the same victim. He was sentenced to six years imprisonment with dishonorable discharge from the United States Air Force.
Despite the fact that Bitter was convicted less than 500 yards away from the exact point at which Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman's bodies were dumped, not one British newspaper or television network anywhere in the land reported these horrifying crimes, details of which were made available in "Immediate Press Release #073103-4" dated 31 July 2003 at USAF Lakenheath. Predictably perhaps, these frightening lookalike offences and their obvious implications have been withheld from the jurors in the trial of Ian Huntley.

How many of you know that Ian Huntley was drugged and tortured after his arrest and before his trial. Even when he was "confessing" he was clearly stating he didn't know what was real and what was imaginery, even though he was perfectly 100% ok before his arrest he was suddenly brain damaged only a few months later, obviously a result of the neurleptic drugs and the treatment he was subjected to. The Home office wanted to frame someone to totally deflect all attention away from the USAF base at Lakenheath.

Huntleys lawyer should very easily have succeded in winning the case for his client BUT he was appointed to Huntley by the court and was obviously working for them. There are so many holes in the case against Huntley that he should very easily have cleared his name.

The trial of Ian Huntley must be unlawful and illegal. It seems to have broken all the rules of criminal trial procedure and it was in breach of the oath of truth on several counts (part two of this being "the whole truth").

There was no inquest into the deaths of Jessica and Holly before the trial. This responsibility was left to the prosecution of Ian Huntley. The purpose of an inquest is to provide an unbiased overview of the circumstances and witnesses relating to a death, and it is essential for a fair trial. Crown prosecutions in the UK use the adversarial system to examine the facts of a case and this consists of a counterbalance of potential biases. Since the prosecution produces all the evidence a fair trial needs an adequate inquest.

The taxi driver, Ian Webster, whose evidence is mentioned above, was not called as a witness in the trial.

The evidence of the witness Margaret Withers, who saw the two girls in the High Street half an hour after they are supposed to have died in Huntley's house (she was with her husband and knew the girls), was not used in the trial.

The four witnesses who saw the two girls at the War Memorial at the time that they are supposed to have died in Huntley's house did not appear in the trial.

The witness who saw a man and a woman in a green car (metallic green?) staring at two girls in the High Street did not appear at the trial. This evidence is particularly important because two kidnappers might well be needed to control two children.

The witness who contradicted the prosecution case that in changing his car tyres Huntley had paid the mechanic a backhander to falsify the registration of his car did not appear as a witness at the trial.

The mobile phone evidence that Jessica's signal had faded at 1:30 AM and that it was traced to countryside north of Soham was not examined at the trial. This contradicted the police case that the phone was switched off at the time that their case alleged they died and that the signal came from a mast outside Huntley's house.

Huntley's legal defence was incompetent, and on this ground the trial judgment should be scrapped. No defence witnesses were used, and the legal defence acted throughout as though Huntley were guilty even while he was protesting his innocence. His defence even caused him to accept the charge of perverting the course of justice when he was pleading innocence, and this undermined his pleas of innocence. He did not change this defence until a year later and two weeks before his trial.

www.justjustice.org/

The British Home Office asserted that Huntley had already been imprisoned for rape in another jurisdiction back in 1998. This damning information was also leaked to the jurors in court, in an attempt to influence their final judgement on Ian Huntley.
What the Cambridgeshire Police Service did not know in 2002, and jurors were not told in court is that after being in prison on remand for two months, Huntley was freed because a council video camera was found to have filmed him many miles away from the crime scene, at the exact time of the rape. Ian Huntley was therefore not only an innocent man, he was also a man who had been arrested and unlawfully detained because of significant police incompetence
www.vialls.com...
www.vialls.com...
www.joevialls.co.uk...

Please study the case carefully before coming to your own conclusions (not the conclusions the British Home Office and the controlled mainstream media want you to have). It seems very clear it was all a coverup for the USAF base at Lakenheath.

[klinker]

http://www.justjustice.org/

[freedom1st]

As horrific a case as this one is and despite efforts by some to dissuade people from researching it for themselves it seems to me that there are a large number of unanswered questions surrounding this case including the question of Huntley's guilt.

I found the following during my research travels. It raises some interesting points.

How many of you really know of the true facts of the Soham murders case .

How many of you know that the girls bodies were found on a USAF base at Lakenheath.

How many know that USAF servicemen contaminated the scene where the bodies were found and not even 1 USAF serviceman was questioned about it.

How many of you know that at the time of the Ian Huntley trial that hard evidence that the monster or monsters who murdered Holly and Jessica might well reside inside the razor wire at USAF Lakenheath, was provided at a Courts Martial held on 23 July 2003. A military judge found against Technical Sergeant Randy Bitter on three charges of child sex abuse. Tech Sgt Bitter pleaded guilty to carnal knowledge with a female child under 12 years of age, and two counts of indecent acts with the same victim. He was sentenced to six years imprisonment with dishonorable discharge from the United States Air Force.
Despite the fact that Bitter was convicted less than 500 yards away from the exact point at which Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman's bodies were dumped, not one British newspaper or television network anywhere in the land reported these horrifying crimes, details of which were made available in "Immediate Press Release #073103-4" dated 31 July 2003 at USAF Lakenheath. Predictably perhaps, these frightening lookalike offences and their obvious implications have been withheld from the jurors in the trial of Ian Huntley.

How many of you know that Ian Huntley was drugged and tortured after his arrest and before his trial. Even when he was "confessing" he was clearly stating he didn't know what was real and what was imaginery, even though he was perfectly 100% ok before his arrest he was suddenly brain damaged only a few months later, obviously a result of the neurleptic drugs and the treatment he was subjected to. The Home office wanted to frame someone to totally deflect all attention away from the USAF base at Lakenheath.

Huntleys lawyer should very easily have succeded in winning the case for his client BUT he was appointed to Huntley by the court and was obviously working for them. There are so many holes in the case against Huntley that he should very easily have cleared his name.

The trial of Ian Huntley must be unlawful and illegal. It seems to have broken all the rules of criminal trial procedure and it was in breach of the oath of truth on several counts (part two of this being "the whole truth").

There was no inquest into the deaths of Jessica and Holly before the trial. This responsibility was left to the prosecution of Ian Huntley. The purpose of an inquest is to provide an unbiased overview of the circumstances and witnesses relating to a death, and it is essential for a fair trial. Crown prosecutions in the UK use the adversarial system to examine the facts of a case and this consists of a counterbalance of potential biases. Since the prosecution produces all the evidence a fair trial needs an adequate inquest.

The taxi driver, Ian Webster, whose evidence is mentioned above, was not called as a witness in the trial.

The evidence of the witness Margaret Withers, who saw the two girls in the High Street half an hour after they are supposed to have died in Huntley's house (she was with her husband and knew the girls), was not used in the trial.

The four witnesses who saw the two girls at the War Memorial at the time that they are supposed to have died in Huntley's house did not appear in the trial.

The witness who saw a man and a woman in a green car (metallic green?) staring at two girls in the High Street did not appear at the trial. This evidence is particularly important because two kidnappers might well be needed to control two children.

The witness who contradicted the prosecution case that in changing his car tyres Huntley had paid the mechanic a backhander to falsify the registration of his car did not appear as a witness at the trial.

The mobile phone evidence that Jessica's signal had faded at 1:30 AM and that it was traced to countryside north of Soham was not examined at the trial. This contradicted the police case that the phone was switched off at the time that their case alleged they died and that the signal came from a mast outside Huntley's house.

Huntley's legal defence was incompetent, and on this ground the trial judgment should be scrapped. No defence witnesses were used, and the legal defence acted throughout as though Huntley were guilty even while he was protesting his innocence. His defence even caused him to accept the charge of perverting the course of justice when he was pleading innocence, and this undermined his pleas of innocence. He did not change this defence until a year later and two weeks before his trial.

www.justjustice.org/

The British Home Office asserted that Huntley had already been imprisoned for rape in another jurisdiction back in 1998. This damning information was also leaked to the jurors in court, in an attempt to influence their final judgement on Ian Huntley.
What the Cambridgeshire Police Service did not know in 2002, and jurors were not told in court is that after being in prison on remand for two months, Huntley was freed because a council video camera was found to have filmed him many miles away from the crime scene, at the exact time of the rape. Ian Huntley was therefore not only an innocent man, he was also a man who had been arrested and unlawfully detained because of significant police incompetence
www.vialls.com...
www.vialls.com...
www.joevialls.co.uk...

Please study the case carefully before coming to your own conclusions (not the conclusions the British Home Office and the controlled mainstream media want you to have). It seems very clear it was all a coverup for the USAF base at Lakenheath.

Good post! Based on this information Huntley should have been able to appeal. I assume he was/still is a quivering wreck and therefore not capable of instructing a solicitor to launch an appeal - how convenient.
Whether or not he is guilty it seems clear to me (if your info is accurate) that he was not served well by the justice system and if that is the case then he did not receive justice.

[armoured_amazon]

There are so many holes in the case against Huntley that he should very easily have cleared his name.

The trial of Ian Huntley must be unlawful and illegal. It seems to have broken all the rules of criminal trial procedure and it was in breach of the oath of truth on several counts (part two of this being "the whole truth").

+1

Good post! Based on this information Huntley should have been able to appeal. I assume he was/still is a quivering wreck and therefore not capable of instructing a solicitor to launch an appeal - how convenient.
Whether or not he is guilty it seems clear to me (if your info is accurate) that he was not served well by the justice system and if that is the case then he did not receive justice.

+1

So what happens now?

[freedom1st]

+1



+1

So what happens now?

I dunno. Maybe someone should ask Michael Mansfield QC if he would be willing to represent him. Might be a good idea to make the request anonymously mind you.

[armoured_amazon]

I dunno. Maybe someone should ask Michael Mansfield QC if he would be willing to represent him. Might be a good idea to make the request anonymously mind you.

LOL that's true. It just doesn't sit well that people who are stitched up sit in prisons, and all the stuff that comes along with their incarcerations. I feel like doing nothing is tantamount to being culpable in their prosecutions/sentences.

[geezer661]

As horrific a case as this one is and despite efforts by some to dissuade people from researching it for themselves it seems to me that there are a large number of unanswered questions surrounding this case including the question of Huntley's guilt.

no questions have gone unanswered


I found the following during my research travels. It raises some interesting points.

let me guess, conspiracy sites with no evidence to back up their claims


How many of you know that the girls bodies were found on a USAF base at Lakenheath..

How many know that USAF servicemen contaminated the scene where the bodies were found and not even 1 USAF serviceman was questioned about it

There were no air force personel at the site, it had nothing to do with the airforce base. But hey, its an American base so hey if it involes americans it must be a conspiracy

How many of you know that at the time of the Ian Huntley trial that hard evidence that the monster or monsters who murdered Holly and Jessica might well reside inside the razor wire at USAF Lakenheath, was provided at a Courts Martial held on 23 July 2003. A military judge found against Technical Sergeant Randy Bitter on three charges of child sex abuse. Tech Sgt Bitter pleaded guilty to carnal knowledge with a female child under 12 years of age, and two counts of indecent acts with the same victim. He was sentenced to six years imprisonment with dishonorable discharge from the United States Air Force.
Despite the fact that Bitter was convicted less than 500 yards away from the exact point at which Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman's bodies were dumped, not one British newspaper or television network anywhere in the land reported these horrifying crimes, details of which were made available in "Immediate Press Release #073103-4" dated 31 July 2003 at USAF Lakenheath. Predictably perhaps, these frightening lookalike offences and their obvious implications have been withheld from the jurors in the trial of Ian Huntley.

Mud on his car tht matched the scene, the location of when and where jessicas phone was turned off, Huntley changed his car tires after the murder,
huntley ripping the lining out the boot off his car, his admission to his parents,his admission to police, his admission to the court, huntley asking the mechanic to write another car regisration on the records, burnt shirts found in his bin, petrol on the bodies matched tht in his bin.

but hey a conspiracy site says its bollocks, so o0o0o it must be those wacky americans

How many of you know that Ian Huntley was drugged and tortured after his arrest and before his trial. Even when he was "confessing" he was clearly stating he didn't know what was real and what was imaginery, even though he was perfectly 100% ok before his arrest he was suddenly brain damaged only a few months later, obviously a result of the neurleptic drugs and the treatment he was subjected to. The Home office wanted to frame someone to totally deflect all attention away from the USAF base at Lakenheath.

Again wacky ramblings from a conspiracy site that has absolutely no evidence to back them up.

Ian Huntley's mental state was assessed as to whether he suffered from mental illness and if he was fit to stand trial. This assessment took place at Rampton Secure Hospital and was carried out by consultant psychiatrist, Dr. Christopher Clark.

Dr. Clark stated in court that:

“ Although Mr. Huntley made clear attempts to appear insane, I have no doubt that the man currently, and at the time of the murders, was both physically and mentally sound and therefore, if he is found guilty, carried out the murders totally aware of his actions "

yep sounds like hes been MKUltrad lol

Huntleys lawyer should very easily have succeded in winning the case for his client BUT he was appointed to Huntley by the court and was obviously working for them. There are so many holes in the case against Huntley that he should very easily have cleared his name.

yeah won against that mountain of evidence and his admission to killing them.
Just another unsubstantiated claim from a conspiracy site o0o0o if he didnt win he must have been working for them

The trial of Ian Huntley must be unlawful and illegal. It seems to have broken all the rules of criminal trial procedure and it was in breach of the oath of truth on several counts (part two of this being "the whole truth")..

No it followed lawful court precedure. There was nothing unlawful about it

There was no inquest into the deaths of Jessica and Holly before the trial. This responsibility was left to the prosecution of Ian Huntley. The purpose of an inquest is to provide an unbiased overview of the circumstances and witnesses relating to a death, and it is essential for a fair trial. Crown prosecutions in the UK use the adversarial system to examine the facts of a case and this consists of a counterbalance of potential biases. Since the prosecution produces all the evidence a fair trial needs an adequate inquest..

inquest date started: 23 Aug 2002

Huntley's trial opened at the Old Bailey on 5 November 2003

Again, conspiracy site nonsense


The taxi driver, Ian Webster, whose evidence is mentioned above, was not called as a witness in the trial.

The evidence of the witness Margaret Withers, who saw the two girls in the High Street half an hour after they are supposed to have died in Huntley's house (she was with her husband and knew the girls), was not used in the trial...

Police always have false leads in murder trials, always happens


The witness who contradicted the prosecution case that in changing his car tyres Huntley had paid the mechanic a backhander to falsify the registration of his car did not appear as a witness at the trial..

the mechanic told police he was asked by huntley to change the reg

The mobile phone evidence that Jessica's signal had faded at 1:30 AM and that it was traced to countryside north of Soham was not examined at the trial. This contradicted the police case that the phone was switched off at the time that their case alleged they died and that the signal came from a mast outside Huntley's house.

the mobile phone was switched off at huntleys house, the records show this using a triangular pin pointing from the phone masts.

Huntley's legal defence was incompetent, and on this ground the trial judgment should be scrapped. No defence witnesses were used, and the legal defence acted throughout as though Huntley were guilty even while he was protesting his innocence. His defence even caused him to accept the charge of perverting the course of justice when he was pleading innocence, and this undermined his pleas of innocence. He did not change this defence until a year later and two weeks before his trial.

He admitted his crime to his parents, and the police


The British Home Office asserted that Huntley had already been imprisoned for rape in another jurisdiction back in 1998. This damning information was also leaked to the jurors in court, in an attempt to influence their final judgement on Ian Huntley.


Another unsubstantiated claim picked out of the air to help yr warped beliefs reach conspiracy sheeple

Dont you just love conspiracy sheep who copy and paste bullshit from conspiracy sites

[griffinman]

How many of you know that at the time of the Ian Huntley trial that hard evidence that the monster or monsters who murdered Holly and Jessica might well reside inside the razor wire at USAF Lakenheath, was provided at a Courts Martial held on 23 July 2003. A military judge found against Technical Sergeant Randy Bitter on three charges of child sex abuse. Tech Sgt Bitter pleaded guilty to carnal knowledge with a female child under 12 years of age, and two counts of indecent acts with the same victim. He was sentenced to six years imprisonment with dishonorable discharge from the United States Air Force.
Despite the fact that Bitter was convicted less than 500 yards away from the exact point at which Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman's bodies were dumped, not one British newspaper or television network anywhere in the land reported these horrifying crimes, details of which were made available in "Immediate Press Release #073103-4" dated 31 July 2003 at USAF Lakenheath. Predictably perhaps, these frightening lookalike offences and their obvious implications have been withheld from the jurors in the trial of Ian Huntley.

Let's have a look at sergeant Bitter.

ROYAL AIR FORCE LAKENHEATH, Suffolk – A sergeant assigned to the 451st Intelligence Operations Squadron at RAF Menwith Hill, United Kingdom, was sentenced by a military judge to a dishonourable discharge, confinement for six years, and a reduction in grade to E-1 during a court-martial here, July 23.

Tech. Sgt. Randy Bitter pleaded guilty to one specification of Article 120, Uniform Code of Military Justice, carnal knowledge with a female family member under 12 years old, and two specifications of Article 134, UCMJ, indecent acts with the same victim

RAF Menwith Hill is a Royal Air Force station near Harrogate, North Yorkshire
while RAF Lakenheath, is in Suffolk!


Please study the case carefully before coming to your own conclusions

Highly recommended, I suggest you take your own advice.

[klinker]

Dont you just love conspiracy sheep who copy and paste bullshit from conspiracy sites

What you've shredded my post with could be construed as conspiracy theory in itself in that it is not backed up with references. Can you provide your references please? Using your references can assist me in my research on this case.

What bothers me about you and Griffinman is your put downs of others who have a different opinion to your own. Your presentation of your own opinions is agressive which leaves me wondering who you are and what your modus operandi actually is. None the less I do lift the useful elements of your posts where they exist even the stuff you read in the papers or see on the news. I doubt you have truly researched the case but then it is not entirely possible to do so as there are so many closed doors.

We can all agree that this is a sickening crime and I for one would have hung the killer but whichever way I look at it and regardless of how many times I look at the available data I've been able to get my hands on so far it is clear to me beyond any doubt that Huntley did not receive due legal process.

It is also clear that there is something about this crime that makes it warrant so much attention of this type. The air base may be a total red herring but then I also wonder if this crime would have taken place if Soham did not have an air base next to it. I don't know.

Griffinman the quote "Please study the case carefully before coming to your own conclusions" was not my advice but advice I have taken myself but thanks anyway.

[hells hero]

why did he try and plead guilty to manslaguther if he nothing to do with it?

[geezer661]

What you've shredded my post with could be construed as conspiracy theory in itself in that it is not backed up with references. Can you provide your references please? Using your references can assist me in my research on this case.

What bothers me about you and Griffinman is your put downs of others who have a different opinion to your own. Your presentation of your own opinions is agressive which leaves me wondering who you are and what your modus operandi actually is. None the less I do lift the useful elements of your posts where they exist even the stuff you read in the papers or see on the news. I doubt you have truly researched the case but then it is not entirely possible to do so as there are so many closed doors.

We can all agree that this is a sickening crime and I for one would have hung the killer but whichever way I look at it and regardless of how many times I look at the available data I've been able to get my hands on so far it is clear to me beyond any doubt that Huntley did not receive due legal process.

It is also clear that there is something about this crime that makes it warrant so much attention of this type. The air base may be a total red herring but then I also wonder if this crime would have taken place if Soham did not have an air base next to it. I don't know.

Griffinman the quote "Please study the case carefully before coming to your own conclusions" was not my advice but advice I have taken myself but thanks anyway.

i put down sick theories like this, the evidence was there he admitted it.

case closed

i just hope the girls parents dont come across silly theories such as this

[griffinman]

What you've shredded my post with could be construed as conspiracy theory in itself in that it is not backed up with references. Can you provide your references please? Using your references can assist me in my research on this case.

The Army Lawyer (May 02)

If gonna try and pin the murders on another man, as least research who it is.
But it's like you don't want to.... you've decided Huntley is innocent, it's a conspiracy and er... the US army probably did it...


What bothers me about you and Griffinman is your put downs of others who have a different opinion to your own. Your presentation of your own opinions is agressive which leaves me wondering who you are and what your modus operandi actually is. None the less I do lift the useful elements of your posts where they exist even the stuff you read in the papers or see on the news. I doubt you have truly researched the case but then it is not entirely possible to do so as there are so many closed doors.

yep, we call that paranoia. The ol' disinfo agent accusation.

"Griffinman, we need you to go to the david icke forum, yes the infamous conspiracy forum.
Anyway there's a thread there, which as strange as this might sound, through random waffle and mindless speculation they've accidently discovered the truth about Huntley. I want you to debunk it."

"Yes sir! consider it done sir!":cool:

[klinker]

i put down sick theories like this, the evidence was there he admitted it.

case closed

i just hope the girls parents dont come across silly theories such as this

Sick theory? I do not see what is sick about it. There may have been a miscarriage of justice in this case.

How do you know they prosecuted the right person? You talk about evidence but that can only be evidence as presented to you by the media. The court activities asks more questions that what it answers and the whole process is documented.

Maxine allegedly helped him scrub the house therefore he must have confessed to her making her an accessory to murder and given the nature of this sick crime she would have got life. She is free because the police somehow believed her story that she was protecting Huntley's claim to innocence. This doesn't sound like the police that I know. It don't add up.

Imho I believe that researching this case is not disrespectful to the memory of the two girls. If only they could speak to us from where they are.

[free_thinker]

yep, we call that paranoia. The ol' disinfo agent accusation.

"Griffinman, we need you to go to the david icke forum, yes the infamous conspiracy forum.
Anyway there's a thread there, which as strange as this might sound, through random waffle and mindless speculation they've accidently discovered the truth about Huntley. I want you to debunk it."

"Yes sir! consider it done sir!":cool:

:D

[geezer661]

Sick theory? I do not see what is sick about it. There may have been a miscarriage of justice in this case.

How do you know they prosecuted the right person? You talk about evidence but that can only be evidence as presented to you by the media. The court activities asks more questions that what it answers and the whole process is documented.

Maxine allegedly helped him scrub the house therefore he must have confessed to her making her an accessory to murder and given the nature of this sick crime she would have got life. She is free because the police somehow believed her story that she was protecting Huntley's claim to innocence. This doesn't sound like the police that I know. It don't add up.

Imho I believe that researching this case is not disrespectful to the memory of the two girls. If only they could speak to us from where they are.

silly theories tht have no basis, no evidence are sick when it involves the murder of two young girls

No the media dont recover the evidence, the police do and it was presented to the court

She should have got life the sick bitch knew wht he had done and tried to help him get away with it

they are in the ground, life cut short by tht sick peedo bastard

[klinker]

The Army Lawyer (May 02)

If gonna try and pin the murders on another man, as least research who it is.
But it's like you don't want to.... you've decided Huntley is innocent, it's a conspiracy and er... the US army probably did it...



yep, we call that paranoia. The ol' disinfo agent accusation.

"Griffinman, we need you to go to the david icke forum, yes the infamous conspiracy forum.
Anyway there's a thread there, which as strange as this might sound, through random waffle and mindless speculation they've accidently discovered the truth about Huntley. I want you to debunk it."

"Yes sir! consider it done sir!":cool:

I should not have to ask anyone to read posts properly. I've not said Huntley is innocent. In a nutshell I've suggested, as have so many others, that there are many questions raised surrounding the way this case was handled from start to finish and especially the court proceedings. What if an innocent man was framed for this cruel act?

Army Lawyer? Is that your reference? Please do better.

[klinker]

silly theories tht have no basis, no evidence are sick when it involves the murder of two young girls

No the media dont recover the evidence, the police do and it was presented to the court

She should have got life the sick bitch knew wht he had done and tried to help him get away with it

they are in the ground, life cut short by tht sick peedo bastard

I meant the evidence you've seen is what was printed in the papers. The fact that it was presented in a court case full of holes does not make it evidence. You have also blindly accepted the so called facts without questioning them which I cannot do given this case is riddled with holes.

[geezer661]

I meant the evidence you've seen is what was printed in the papers. The fact that it was presented in a court case full of holes does not make it evidence. You have also blindly accepted the so called facts without questioning them which I cannot do given this case is riddled with holes.

there were no holes in the evidence

[klinker]

there were no holes in the evidence

The case has more holes in it than a teabag Geezer.

Now do you have any objections to my continuing research?

[clint_giles]

quickly looked over story,i have just found out about...terrible..
disgusting cunt got what he had coming....

lots of good guys are in jail for the wrong reasons,good family men,fathers...

and a goof like this goes in there for what he did to those 2 innocent little girls...
ahhh the cunt got what he had coming....he's lucky it was only his throat that got shanked

in know way at all do i support any violent behaviour
but stuff like this,crosses the line.
and IMO people that do horrendous things to children,or anybody for that matter.
definately deserve everything or anything that comes their way

[paolo]

This argument could go on and on. The in-tandem type dual working is standard operational procedure for the "Skeptics", obvious in conspiracy forums everywhere

[geezer661]

quickly looked over story,i have just found out about...terrible..
Disgusting cunt got what he had coming....

Lots of good guys are in jail for the wrong reasons,good family men,fathers...

And a goof like this goes in there for what he did to those 2 innocent little girls...
Ahhh the cunt got what he had coming....he's lucky it was only his throat that got shanked

in know way at all do i support any violent behaviour
but stuff like this,crosses the line.
And imo people that do horrendous things to children,or anybody for that matter.
Definately deserve everything or anything that comes their way

+100000000

[_placebo_]

Can I jump in...Just wondering...The thousands of people in that article that are said to have not been questioned, is that documented? Each person that was questioned? How do we know who was/wasn't for sure?

[geezer661]

Can I jump in...Just wondering...The thousands of people in that article that it's said were not questioned, is that documented? Each person that was questioned? How do we know who was/wasn't for sure?

its like most stuff on this site unsubstantiated claims

[paolo]

its like most stuff on this site unsubstantiated claims
Same accusation, despite all offered evidence.
"Unsubstantiated" - always the last word
The first word new accessors will see

[griffinman]

There's absolutely no evidence there's a conspiracy at all.
This is bullshit.

[bendoon]

There is no evidence he did it, ner ner ner ner.

Fun this isn't it.

[dreamweaver]

There is no evidence he did it, ner ner ner ner.

Fun this isn't it.

Should Huntley be prosecuted for perverting the course of justice by giving a false confession then? ;)

[griffinman]

There is no evidence he did it, ner ner ner ner.

Fun this isn't it.

Plenty.. put in front of a Jury and they're found him guilty

The confession was just the icing on the cake, you'd think that would be enough to dissuade conspiracy theorists but alas no.

He confessed to killing the girls, but not to 'trying to rape them'
who knows, perhaps there's people out there who believe he actually had a 'laurel'n'hardy' moment and accidently killed them. (His version of events)

Huntley admitted that the girls had died in his house, however claimed that he accidentally knocked Holly into the bath while helping her control a nosebleed, and causing her to drown. Jessica witnessed this and he suffocated her while attempting to stifle her screaming, and that by the time he realised what he was doing, it was too late to save either of them.
:rolleyes:

[bendoon]

Huntley admitted that the girls had died in his house, however claimed that he accidentally knocked Holly into the bath while helping her control a nosebleed, and causing her to drown. Jessica witnessed this and he suffocated her while attempting to stifle her screaming, and that by the time he realised what he was doing, it was too late to save either of them.
:rolleyes:

Likely story.

About as likely as Bin Laden and the 13 bombers.

[griffinman]

Is it possible Ian Huntley could be a hologram?

I mean, I've never met him... anyone here?

Prove me wrong.

[geezer661]

he was a hologram and crashed in to the two girls in his bathroom.
There were explosions heard but no evidence to prove it
both girls then collapsed at free fall speed

[elcribbo]

The case has more holes in it than a teabag Geezer.

Now do you have any objections to my continuing research?

Klinker I think you need to give it up now. Geezer has answered everything you brought up and you've been left with no comeback.

Fuck Ian Huntley.

[griffinman]

he was a hologram and crashed in to the two girls in his bathroom.
There were explosions heard but no evidence to prove it
both girls then collapsed at free fall speed

lmao ah ha ha :D

[paolo]

He confessed to killing the girls, but not to 'trying to rape them'
who knows, perhaps there's people out there who believe he actually had a 'laurel'n'hardy' moment and accidently killed them. (His version of events)

Huntley admitted that the girls had died in his house, however claimed that he accidentally knocked Holly into the bath while helping her control a nosebleed, and causing her to drown. Jessica witnessed this and he suffocated her while attempting to stifle her screaming, and that by the time he realised what he was doing, it was too late to save either of them.

Precisely the point I'd have thought.
Why on earth would a so-called defence team let Ian Huntley on the dock to present a 'lauel'n'hardy' scenario to the jury, that nobody in the world would believe, except perhaps Huntley himself, as a kind of shifting shadow 'memory', - see his own testimony towards his own memories whilst describing his Rampton incarceration
Allowing him to give this account could be called a defence hostile to Huntley
The nail in his coffin, sooner or later

[griffinman]

Precisely the point I'd have thought.
Why on earth would a so-called defence team let Ian Huntley on the dock to present a 'lauel'n'hardy' scenario to the jury, that nobody in the world would believe, except perhaps Huntley himself, as a kind of shifting shadow 'memory', - see his own testimony towards his own memories whilst describing his Rampton incarceration
Allowing him to give this account could be called a defence hostile to Huntley
The nail in his coffin, sooner or later

The defense can only do so much.. unless you want a 'OJ fiasco'
Huntley only confessed when all other avenues were blocked off.
Now, he either couldn't admit to himself the true nature of the crime or
more likely he didn't want other people to know.
(Like Ted Bundy) Hence the laurel'n'Hardy scenario.

[klinker]

Klinker I think you need to give it up now. Geezer has answered everything you brought up and you've been left with no comeback.

Fuck Ian Huntley.

Not correct. Most of the debunk here has been quoted verbatim from the paper and electronic media who in turn, due to a deliberate lack of investigative journalism, are simply printing what they are told.

[bigscotsman]

I believe nothing the media tells me anymore.


after david irving got banged up for having an erudite view on history, i realised all "justice" is a sham.

[griffinman]

Army Lawyer? Is that your reference? Please do better.

That's the original source for the story, unless you'd prefer to read it second-hand on a conspiracy website.

[geezer661]

Not correct. Most of the debunk here has been quoted verbatim from the paper and electronic media who in turn, due to a deliberate lack of investigative journalism, are simply printing what they are told.

Says the person who cut and pasted nonsense from a conspiracy site. Yea he sounds like a great journalist making wild accusations of mind control without backing them up. We need more of them :rolleyes:

if you want to see real journalism at work read john pilgers work

[klinker]

Says the person who cut and pasted nonsense from a conspiracy site. Yea he sounds like a great journalist making wild accusations of mind control without backing them up. We need more of them :rolleyes:

if you want to see real journalism at work read john pilgers work

Nonsense in your view but regardless of what or who you believe this case remains full of holes. What I have presented is something that should raise enough curiosity to start researching the case details which in turn starts to raise even more questions. The whole case is documented on the BBC website, for example, but is it accurate? It seems not. I could have presented the whole BBC file and raised questions purely from that but would that have made it more acceptable to you? I doubt it but if it had have done that would have been interesting given the BBC's role as part of the propaganda machine.

With regards to Pilger I have read much of what he has written and I attribute to him much of my desire to investigate and research events.

There have been many horrific crimes against children over the years but for some reason the Huntley case has stood out above others when it should not do so. That's not to say the case is unimportant but rather if it really is cut and dried then it should not be attracting so much attention yet it does above other cases. Why?

[shocker]

Geezer661....

...you consistently say "He's guilty....he admitted it", and therefore, in your eye's, that's the end of it.....but tell me this:

Where you there when he admitted it?

and if so....

What were the circumstances surrounding his admittal?

and if so....

What was his mental state at the time of admittal?

and lastly...

What did he say...word for word?

If you can answer these questions, I will forgive all of your previous posts that tell us to provide you with proof.

You show us yours....we've already shown you ours....;)

[geezer661]

Geezer661....

...you consistently say "He's guilty....he admitted it", and therefore, in your eye's, that's the end of it.....but tell me this:

Where you there when he admitted it?

and if so....

What were the circumstances surrounding his admittal?

and if so....

What was his mental state at the time of admittal?

and lastly...

What did he say...word for word?

If you can answer these questions, I will forgive all of your previous posts that tell us to provide you with proof.

You show us yours....we've already shown you ours....;)

I didnt only present the confession as evidence. Theres alot of forensic evidence too. Ive presented this earlier in the thread. You would have been aware of this if you had read it.

No I wasn't there. I didn't need to be there. He admitted to a full court.

The circumstances of his admittal was that he had murdered 2 young girls and thought he could get manslaughter charge by making up the nose bleed bullshit.

his mental state we have already discussed:

Dr. Clark stated in court that:

“ Although Mr. Huntley made clear attempts to appear insane, I have no doubt that the man currently, and at the time of the murders, was both physically and mentally sound and therefore, if he is found guilty, carried out the murders totally aware of his actions."

I dont have his exact words but he admitted it in his interviews and also in the court
I think it went something like:

"Im a sick cunt who murdered 2 innocent young girls and put there family through hell by making up some bullshit story about a nose bleed but hey I got nutcases on my side go check it out online"

Ian Huntleys confessions made to his defense team and thus presented to court:

The full list of admissions from the Huntley defence team is:

1.Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman went into 5 College Close shortly after 6.30pm on Sunday Aug 4 2002.
2.The mobile phone of Jessica Chapman explicitly detached from the mobile network at 6.46pm on Sunday August 4 2002. This was the last recorded signal.
3.Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman died in 5 College Close on Sunday Aug 4 2002.
4.The only other person in 5 College Close at the time of their deaths was Ian Huntley.
5.Ian Huntley removed their dead bodies from 5 College Close and transported them in the Ford Fiesta car to the place where the bodies were found.
6.Ian Huntley cut and removed the clothing from Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
7.Ian Huntley set the bodies alight and used petrol in the process.
8.Ian Huntley burned the clothes of the two girls in the bin.
9.Ian Huntley placed the bin bag over the burnt clothes.
10.All the exhibits were served correctly.
11.The CCTV cameras at Soham Village College and the recording equipment were working correctly on Sunday Aug 4.
12.That the times recorded were inaccurate but were adjusted subsequently.
13.Karen Greenwood was recorded on the Soham Village College CCTV as leaving the site on Sunday Aug 4.
14.Schedule of attributed telephone numbers in the jury bundle is admitted to be accurate both to the numbers recorded and identity of the users.
15.The telephone calls in the chronology are accurate to the telephones used, to the right time and duration of the telephone calls.
16.All material in the DVD of evidence is accurate and properly adduced in evidence.
17.All the material in the DVD of media interviews is accurate and properly adduced in evidence.
18.All the material in the photographs bundle is accurate and properly adduced in evidence.
19.All the schedules in the bundle of transfers of fibres, hairs and pollen are accurate and properly adduced in evidence.
20.The press releases in the jury bundle were released as relevant documents.
21.Maxine Carr was interviewed by police officers between Aug 17 and 20 and the transcripts of the interviews accurately reflect the contents.

The five additional admissions are:

1.Ian Huntley wrote the contents of the hand-written document referred to in Maxine Carr's interviews.
2.Maxine Carr wrote the hand-written note to which she referred to during interview.
3.On Oct 18 2002 Maxine Carr telephoned Lynda Nixon Huntley from Holloway. The conversation took place between 5pm and 5.25pm and was recorded by the prison authorities. Part of that was produced in evidence and an accurate transcript was produced.
4.On Oct 23 2002 Ian Huntley was visited by his mother and it lasted from 9.32am to 11.22am. It was recorded by the prison authorities and an accurate transcript of part of it was produced.
5.On Oct 30 2002 Maxine Carr telephoned Lynda Nixon Huntley from Holloway and the conversation was recorded by the prison authorities part of which an accurate transcript was produced.

You've shown me yours? excuse me but all you've presented to the debate is aload of tosh off a conspiracy site by an 'investigative journalist' who claims about 'mind control' without a scrap of evidence to back it up. Don't you just love conspiracy theorists who live with their mom and call themselves investigative journalists. It must make them feel so important.

The only reason this bullshit theory exists is because the girls bodies were found near an American airforce base and a court marshall of an american soldier at a completely different base. If they were found at, say, an Irish military base or a french military base there wouldn't be such tripe nonsense. But hey it wasn't, it was an american base and anything to do with America must be a conspiracy aye. Those wacky Americans aye,

[aratron]

How many of you know that Ian Huntley was drugged and tortured after his arrest and before his trial. Even when he was "confessing" he was clearly stating he didn't know what was real and what was imaginery, even though he was perfectly 100% ok before his arrest he was suddenly brain damaged only a few months later, obviously a result of the neurleptic drugs and the treatment he was subjected to.

so you are saying that Huntley was tortured in Rampton?

He was treated like a celebrity there.

[moon monkey]

I for one am glad the nonce has been slashed.

Hopefully next time he will get properly carved up and die as a result. Furthermore the best thing his paedo whore wife can do is hang herself for us.

[paolo]

I always thought it unfortunate that Vialls went for the Lakenheath PTSD psychopath theory.
The murder always had more occult undertones and this was a misleader
The obvious anomalies regarding legal process, DNA evidence, self-incrimination and evidence of mind control, are always more interesting than the reiteration of the mainstream account that the guilty hang-'im crowd produce here
Severely duped idiots as in many other ways

[paolo]

so you are saying that Huntley was tortured in Rampton?

He was treated like a celebrity there.
How do you know? You were an in-patient at the time?
Or a nurse?

[geezer661]

How do you know? You were an in-patient at the time?
Or a nurse?

Were you there at the mind control sessions?

[geezer661]

I always thought it unfortunate that Vialls went for the Lakenheath PTSD psychopath theory.
The murder always had more occult undertones and this was a misleader
The obvious anomalies regarding legal process, DNA evidence, self-incrimination and evidence of mind control, are always more interesting than the reiteration of the mainstream account that the guilty hang-'im crowd produce here
Severely duped idiots as in many other ways

There are no obvious anomalies just the ones in your head. No anomalies in the fornsics, the court, or self incrimination,
just ones dreamt up by you to which you can't back them up.

Arrr using the term mainstream theory. How alternative of you.

So because i said he's guilty I'm straight in the hang-em crowd on here. Just another baseless assumption by the 'cool alternative right on crowd'

'hey those tht don't believe my nonsense let's put them all in the same boat, right on!!!!'

[velma]

funny how people on here believe forensic evidence when it supports their theory but its a coverup/illuminati when it dont

Funny how people on here swallow the lame fabrications, pure inventions, tittle-tattle and innuendo which Rupert Murdoch calls "journalism" and "news."

[klinker]

I didnt only present the confession as evidence. Theres alot of forensic evidence too. Ive presented this earlier in the thread. You would have been aware of this if you had read it.

No I wasn't there. I didn't need to be there. He admitted to a full court.

The circumstances of his admittal was that he had murdered 2 young girls and thought he could get manslaughter charge by making up the nose bleed bullshit.

his mental state we have already discussed:

Dr. Clark stated in court that:

“ Although Mr. Huntley made clear attempts to appear insane, I have no doubt that the man currently, and at the time of the murders, was both physically and mentally sound and therefore, if he is found guilty, carried out the murders totally aware of his actions."

I dont have his exact words but he admitted it in his interviews and also in the court
I think it went something like:

"Im a sick cunt who murdered 2 innocent young girls and put there family through hell by making up some bullshit story about a nose bleed but hey I got nutcases on my side go check it out online"

Ian Huntleys confessions made to his defense team and thus presented to court:

The full list of admissions from the Huntley defence team is:

1.Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman went into 5 College Close shortly after 6.30pm on Sunday Aug 4 2002.
2.The mobile phone of Jessica Chapman explicitly detached from the mobile network at 6.46pm on Sunday August 4 2002. This was the last recorded signal.
3.Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman died in 5 College Close on Sunday Aug 4 2002.
4.The only other person in 5 College Close at the time of their deaths was Ian Huntley.
5.Ian Huntley removed their dead bodies from 5 College Close and transported them in the Ford Fiesta car to the place where the bodies were found.
6.Ian Huntley cut and removed the clothing from Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
7.Ian Huntley set the bodies alight and used petrol in the process.
8.Ian Huntley burned the clothes of the two girls in the bin.
9.Ian Huntley placed the bin bag over the burnt clothes.
10.All the exhibits were served correctly.
11.The CCTV cameras at Soham Village College and the recording equipment were working correctly on Sunday Aug 4.
12.That the times recorded were inaccurate but were adjusted subsequently.
13.Karen Greenwood was recorded on the Soham Village College CCTV as leaving the site on Sunday Aug 4.
14.Schedule of attributed telephone numbers in the jury bundle is admitted to be accurate both to the numbers recorded and identity of the users.
15.The telephone calls in the chronology are accurate to the telephones used, to the right time and duration of the telephone calls.
16.All material in the DVD of evidence is accurate and properly adduced in evidence.
17.All the material in the DVD of media interviews is accurate and properly adduced in evidence.
18.All the material in the photographs bundle is accurate and properly adduced in evidence.
19.All the schedules in the bundle of transfers of fibres, hairs and pollen are accurate and properly adduced in evidence.
20.The press releases in the jury bundle were released as relevant documents.
21.Maxine Carr was interviewed by police officers between Aug 17 and 20 and the transcripts of the interviews accurately reflect the contents.

The five additional admissions are:

1.Ian Huntley wrote the contents of the hand-written document referred to in Maxine Carr's interviews.
2.Maxine Carr wrote the hand-written note to which she referred to during interview.
3.On Oct 18 2002 Maxine Carr telephoned Lynda Nixon Huntley from Holloway. The conversation took place between 5pm and 5.25pm and was recorded by the prison authorities. Part of that was produced in evidence and an accurate transcript was produced.
4.On Oct 23 2002 Ian Huntley was visited by his mother and it lasted from 9.32am to 11.22am. It was recorded by the prison authorities and an accurate transcript of part of it was produced.
5.On Oct 30 2002 Maxine Carr telephoned Lynda Nixon Huntley from Holloway and the conversation was recorded by the prison authorities part of which an accurate transcript was produced.

You've shown me yours? excuse me but all you've presented to the debate is aload of tosh off a conspiracy site by an 'investigative journalist' who claims about 'mind control' without a scrap of evidence to back it up. Don't you just love conspiracy theorists who live with their mom and call themselves investigative journalists. It must make them feel so important.

The only reason this bullshit theory exists is because the girls bodies were found near an American airforce base and a court marshall of an american soldier at a completely different base. If they were found at, say, an Irish military base or a french military base there wouldn't be such tripe nonsense. But hey it wasn't, it was an american base and anything to do with America must be a conspiracy aye. Those wacky Americans aye,

Impressive but it means very little more than the fact you have a grasp on reading newspapers and watching/listening to the news. Even if your source was official court documents this would mean very little other than it being an official recording of court events. It does not verify the investigation leading up to the court case. By the time it got to court it was too late. It was a done deal. I am still interested in knowing your sources though please for my own research.

Do you believe that Huntley wanted to be caught? I ask because it seems to me that if he is truly guilty of murder then he did want to be caught. He framed himself with the evidence. Why dispose of the bodies where he did yet put the shirts in a bin at the college? Why not dispose of everything in the same place when the objective surely would have been to lose evidence away from the alleged murder scene?

[griffinman]

I always thought it unfortunate that Vialls went for the Lakenheath PTSD psychopath theory.


Same here,
I thought he'd go for the 'Huntley is a military assassin android' theory.
A black budget project which escaped from the nearby US military base.
I mean, you got that film Blade runner, and the matrix (which are both based on scientific fact!, I think) Anyway, that's not important. The point is put them together and what do you have?
That's right, a Replicant matrix.
Anyway huntley's, as I like to call it Replicant matrix® (It's my theory hands off!) obviously activated itself too early either by accident or was deliberately activated by person's unknown.

[geezer661]

Funny how people on here swallow the lame fabrications, pure inventions, tittle-tattle and innuendo which Rupert Murdoch calls "journalism" and "news."

my point exactly

[geezer661]

Ok your all right and I'm wrong I'm just a reptilian disinfo agent with insider knowledge. Here's what really happened:

once upon a time there was a man Named Ian Huntley who lived in a small village called Soham. He lived a pleasent life until one day something very strange happened. He realised he was being followed everywhere by a young girl. He didn't know what to think of it so he continued with his life. Little did this upstanding gentlemen know the diabolical plan that was about to unfold. The plan, so cunning the girl was later promoted to the post of professor of cunning at Cunningham university just inside the county of cunninghamshire. Anyway it all began with the two murders that occured at the village in which he resided. The perpetrator was an American soldier stationed at a completely different base to lakenheath but for some reason or other he dumped the body at one where he wasn't near or stationed at. The illuminati then had to concoct a cover story. They quickly sent an email from the hollow moon space ship in which they were stationed to the 10 year old super agent. In the email it documented all the events and asked her to deal with it. She quickly got on the inter gallictic red phone in her bedroom, unbeknown to her mother down stairs. She said I need a number of intergallactic space darts fired from the moon space ship in to the necks of a number of girls. The gun is so precise it could spike the flea on a dogs arse. The darts intended target was a number of girls. This inturn would make them go to the police and allege sexual abuse by Huntley making him the perfect fit up. The moon then sent an email to the agents in the poilce and the fornsic science department and the courts to conduct the plan to protect the soldier at a completley different base to lakenheath. They all met wearing black robes at a Masonic temple just outside Norwich. Here they discussed their plan. The next day the moon space ship sent a humanoid robot in the exact likeness of ian Huntley to go and change his car tires at a mechanics giving the impression tht he was trying to cover his tracks. The police then planted the forensics and Huntley was subsequently arrested at first he denied the crime, so police then presented him with the phoney evidence. He shouted "INFAMY INFAMY they've all got it INFAMY!" the police realised the plan wasn't going to plan at all. They then called agent dogs bollocks (the 10 year old) and told her about the situation. She said no worries I'll sort it. She then got on the phone to the moon spaceship. Unluckily for her she was put in a call cue. The line is very busy at this time of day because of reptilian world leader super agents reporting back to moon base. She slammed down the phone in a panic. She proceeded to trash her room and in doing so she noticed a spare mind control superdart on the floor. "yes!!!" she shouted. To which her mother ran in to the room wandering what all the fuss was about. " what the fucks all this mess you little bastard, clean it the fuck up!" she shouted. " sorry mommy I haven't got time" she then rushed past her mother and very neatly just avoided her mothers back hand. Which was due to her intergallactic Marshall arts training on the moon spaceship. Dart in hand she rushed to the nearest bamboo shop in which she needed to shot her device. All objects in place she waited outside the police station where she awaited is release. Four hours past and finally he came in to view. She then took up aim and proceeded to shoot. " oh bollocks I've missed! " she shouted. But luck was on her side and the homing device turned on, on the dart. It proceeded to turn and spiked Huntley in the neck. " get in my son" she said in her internal dialogue. Huntley then turned around and went back to the police station. With the false memory inplanted he then confessed everything. To the much delight of the officer moon agents. Agent dogs bollocks strikes again. The police knew of the dart in his neck and took Huntley to rampton to stay and remove the mind control dart. False memories in place, forensic planted. All the court agents ready. The plan had paid off. Huntley was subsequently found guilty. The police got their coverup. Agent dogs bollocks got promoted and the real peedo got away with it. Just one more thing to clear up the demolition of the house. This was easily taken care of with a cruise missile camoflaged by the holographic projection of a digger which was projected from the moon spaceship.

There u go the truth.

[klinker]

Ok your all right and I'm wrong I'm just a reptilian disinfo agent with insider knowledge. Here's what really happened:

Seems to me you don't, or perhaps more to the point, cannot answer very simple questions. To assist in my own research and not for the first time in asking I want to know what your sources are please.

You and griffin seem to have no answer except to try and ridicule instead of taking part in rational discussion. You wasted all that time writing your last post instead of actually contributing something useful.

[griffinman]

Seems to me you don't, or perhaps more to the point, cannot answer very simple questions. To assist in my own research and not for the first time in asking I want to know what your sources are please.
You and griffin seem to have no answer except to try and ridicule instead of taking part in rational discussion. You wasted all that time writing your last post instead of actually contributing something useful.

Right, yet you won't accept any mainstream media source because it's illuminati controlled, so, Me and Geezer have to find an 'alternative conspiracy website' which states..."yep Huntley did it, there is absolutely no conspiracy what-so-ever.The guy's an evil nonce"

If not, this somehow validates your theory?

[griffinman]

Funny how people on here swallow the lame fabrications, pure inventions, tittle-tattle and innuendo which Rupert Murdoch calls "journalism" and "news."

Impressive but it means very little more than the fact you have a grasp on reading newspapers and watching/listening to the news.

well, you two must've been watching the news too at one point, otherwise you'd be going 'Ian Huntley who?' 'What murders?' 'Two little.. what?'
'changed what tires where?' 'who confessed to what.. where, when?'

[klinker]

Right, yet you won't accept any mainstream media source because it's illuminati controlled, so, Me and Geezer have to find an 'alternative conspiracy website' which states..."yep Huntley did it, there is absolutely no conspiracy what-so-ever.The guy's an evil nonce"

If not, this somehow validates your theory?

and you cannot accept that regardless of the sources there are many unanswered questions surrounding this case. Even if Huntley is guilty as charged it's still a conspiracy because he conspired to kill the girls.

Do you actually know what a nonce is? The term nonce applies to paedophiles and not child killers. Either act is disgusting but there is a difference between the two.

[berther]

[QUOTE=geezer661;1058750949]I didnt only present the confession as evidence. Theres alot of forensic evidence too. Ive presented this earlier in the thread. You would have been aware of this if you had read it.

No I wasn't there. I didn't need to be there. He admitted to a full court.

The circumstances of his admittal was that he had murdered 2 young girls and thought he could get manslaughter charge by making up the nose bleed bullshit.his mental state we have already discussed:

Dr. Clark stated in court that:

“ Although Mr. Huntley made clear attempts to appear insane, I have no doubt that the man currently, and at the time of the murders, was both physically and mentally sound and therefore, if he is found guilty, carried out the murders totally aware of his actions."

I dont have his exact words but he admitted it in his interviews and also in the court
I think it went something like:

"Im a sick cunt who murdered 2 innocent young girls and put there family through hell by making up some bullshit story about a nose bleed but hey I got nutcases on my side go check it out online"

Ian Huntleys confessions made to his defense team and thus presented to court:

The full list of admissions from the Huntley defence team is:

1.Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman went into 5 College Close shortly after 6.30pm on Sunday Aug 4 2002.

Huntley admitted he spoke to them around 6pm

2.The mobile phone of Jessica Chapman explicitly detached from the mobile network at 6.46pm on Sunday August 4 2002. This was the last recorded signal.
3.Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman died in 5 College Close on Sunday Aug 4 2002.

Where is the evidence that proves they died in Huntleys home?

4.The only other person in 5 College Close at the time of their deaths was Ian Huntley.

How do you know Huntley was alone?

5.Ian Huntley removed their dead bodies from 5 College Close and transported them in the Ford Fiesta car to the place where the bodies were found.

But no-one saw a thing and there really no evidence to support that claim.

6.Ian Huntley cut and removed the clothing from Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.
7.Ian Huntley set the bodies alight and used petrol in the process.
8.Ian Huntley burned the clothes of the two girls in the bin.

Mmmmm all that effort to hide the bodies then he part burns the T shirts so they lead straight back to the person who empties the bins...him
9.Ian Huntley placed the bin bag over the burnt clothes.
10.All the exhibits were served correctly.
11.The CCTV cameras at Soham Village College and the recording equipment were working correctly on Sunday Aug 4.


12.That the times recorded were inaccurate but were adjusted subsequently.

Adjusted to fit in with the police's time line

13.Karen Greenwood was recorded on the Soham Village College CCTV as leaving the site on Sunday Aug 4.
14.Schedule of attributed telephone numbers in the jury bundle is admitted to be accurate both to the numbers recorded and identity of the users.
15.The telephone calls in the chronology are accurate to the telephones used, to the right time and duration of the telephone calls.
16.All material in the DVD of evidence is accurate and properly adduced in evidence.
17.All the material in the DVD of media interviews is accurate and properly adduced in evidence.
18.All the material in the photographs bundle is accurate and properly adduced in evidence.
19.All the schedules in the bundle of transfers of fibres, hairs and pollen are accurate and properly adduced in evidence.
20.The press releases in the jury bundle were released as relevant documents.
21.Maxine Carr was interviewed by police officers between Aug 17 and 20 and the transcripts of the interviews accurately reflect the contents.

The five additional admissions are:

1.Ian Huntley wrote the contents of the hand-written document referred to in Maxine Carr's interviews.
2.Maxine Carr wrote the hand-written note to which she referred to during interview.
3.On Oct 18 2002 Maxine Carr telephoned Lynda Nixon Huntley from Holloway. The conversation took place between 5pm and 5.25pm and was recorded by the prison authorities. Part of that was produced in evidence and an accurate transcript was produced.
4.On Oct 23 2002 Ian Huntley was visited by his mother and it lasted from 9.32am to 11.22am. It was recorded by the prison authorities and an accurate transcript of part of it was produced.

Can you remember what he said to his mother? Wasn't it something about his psychiatist telling him he had blacked out?
5.On Oct 30 2 Maxine Carr telephoned Lynda Nixon Huntley from Holloway and the conversation was recorded by the prison authorities part of which an accurate transcript was produced.

All the money and time that was spent on this case , all the technology we now have but we still dont know why or how Holly and Jessica died....Why is that?

[berther]

and you cannot accept that regardless of the sources there are many unanswered questions surrounding this case. Even if Huntley is guilty as charged it's still a conspiracy because he conspired to kill the girls.

Do you actually know what a nonce is? The term nonce applies to paedophiles and not child killers. Either act is disgusting but there is a difference between the two.

People automatically think Huntley is a paedophile, something to do with all those people who crawled out of the woodwork after he was arrested, the police directed them straight to the 'Sun"newspaper................It really wasn't a trial by jury it was a trial by the media, if he had pleaded not guilty and been released (there wasn't that much evidence to convict him) He would have been hounded and probably murdered, he's safer in prison, although there will always be one or two who will have a go at him so the Sun can keep his name fresh in out minds.

[geezer661]

First question: so you believe his admission tht he spoke to them but not his admission to killing them? Nice how u pick and choose wht to believe to fit your theory.

Second question: his admission that they died there and the girls phone was switched off there.

Third question: Huntley admitted being alone. There is no evidence to anyone else being there except Huntley and the girls.

Forth question: the evidence is he admitted taking them. The mud on his car matched the mud at the site. The tire tracks were the same. How you think he got them there? By ossmosis?

Fifth question: he was the person who had access to the school bins. He admitted placing them there. Your incinuating they were planted. Proof please.

Sixth question: Your saying police adjusted records to fit your theory. Again please provide proof.

They don't know how they died because the bodies had very badly decomposed. It's hard to find out if they were strangled when there's no neck left to test. They don't know why they were killed but the evidence suggests a nonse killing.

[free_thinker]

Same here,
I thought he'd go for the 'Huntley is a military assassin android' theory.
A black budget project which escaped from the nearby US military base.
I mean, you got that film Blade runner, and the matrix (which are both based on scientific fact!, I think) Anyway, that's not important. The point is put them together and what do you have?
That's right, a Replicant matrix.
Anyway huntley's, as I like to call it Replicant matrix® (It's my theory hands off!) obviously activated itself too early either by accident or was deliberately activated by person's unknown.

Quoted this because it's hilarious, nice one !!:D

Occasionally, the Justice system does get things right and isn't populated by Paedophile, child pornography obsessed shape shifting energy vampires.

[geezer661]

People automatically think Huntley is a paedophile, something to do with all those people who crawled out of the woodwork after he was arrested, the police directed them straight to the 'Sun"newspaper................It really wasn't a trial by jury it was a trial by the media, if he had pleaded not guilty and been released (there wasn't that much evidence to convict him) He would have been hounded and probably murdered, he's safer in prison, although there will always be one or two who will have a go at him so the Sun can keep his name fresh in out minds.

People think he's a pedo because of all the accusations made to the police about him. Funny I don't remember the police phoning me up and telling me to go and buy the sun. Must have been mind control aye. Yeah not a trial by jury but the media. The sun newspaper planted the phone evidence, the forensic evidence, and mind controlled his admission. Yeah yr right hardly any evidence :rolleyes:

[shocker]

I dont have his exact words but he admitted it in his interviews and also in the court
I think it went something like:

"Im a sick cunt who murdered 2 innocent young girls and put there family through hell by making up some bullshit story about a nose bleed but hey I got nutcases on my side go check it out online"



So...actually, you make things up to suit yourself. I was actually hoping you would provide me with the proof I asked for. I am on the fence at the moment and cannot be sure on my feelings on wether or not he is guilty, hence my reply to you. I do, however, think it rather niaive that you take everythning at face value regarding this case and can't help think that you have watched a lot of TV and read a lot of newspapers and have made your assumptions from these.

I think it wiser to question EVERYTHING before making statements andprove without doubt any questions that need answering before making your assumptions.

[berther]

People think he's a pedo because of all the accusations made to the police about him. Funny I don't remember the police phoning me up and telling me to go and buy the sun. Must have been mind control aye. Yeah not a trial by jury but the media. The sun newspaper planted the phone evidence, the forensic evidence, and mind controlled his admission. Yeah yr right hardly any evidence :rolleyes:

What was the forensic evidence that proved Huntley was a paedophile?

My reference to the Sun Newspaper was that they will print any old crap....They paid for the rubbish they printed about Barry George as told to them by some low life who just wanted to get their face in the paper, the Sun need to fill column, if they have to exaggerate a story to make it more interesting to their readers they will.

[geezer661]

So...actually, you make things up to suit yourself. I was actually hoping you would provide me with the proof I asked for. I am on the fence at the moment and cannot be sure on my feelings on wether or not he is guilty, hence my reply to you. I do, however, think it rather niaive that you take everythning at face value regarding this case and can't help think that you have watched a lot of TV and read a lot of newspapers and have made your assumptions from these.

I think it wiser to question EVERYTHING before making statements andprove without doubt any questions that need answering before making your assumptions.

I've provided everything you asked for. Now it's your turn

[geezer661]

What was the forensic evidence that proved Huntley was a paedophile?

My reference to the Sun Newspaper was that they will print any old crap....They paid for the rubbish they printed about Barry George as told to them by some low life who just wanted to get their face in the paper, the Sun need to fill column, if they have to exaggerate a story to make it more interesting to their readers they will.

I never said there was any forensic evidence for that

[berther]

First question: so you believe his admission tht he spoke to them but not his admission to killing them? Nice how u pick and choose wht to believe to fit your theory.

There wasn't the overwhelming evidence that Huntley brutally killed the girls as promised by the prosecution

Second question: his admission that they died there and the girls phone was switched off there.

He only admitted that after his stay in Rampton

Third question: Huntley admitted being alone. There is no evidence to anyone else being there except Huntley and the girls.

The police never looked for anyone else once they had Huntley in custody

Forth question: the evidence is he admitted taking them. The mud on his car matched the mud at the site. The tire tracks were the same. How you think he got them there? By ossmosis?

It was known he went there plane spotting

Fifth question: he was the person who had access to the school bins. He admitted placing them there. Your incinuating they were planted. Proof please.

Why didn't the police find them when they first searched the school? It not only contained the shirts but other items such as trainers, but the police for some reason didn't notice them.

Sixth question: Your saying police adjusted records to fit your theory. Again please provide proof.

What records?

They don't know how they died because the bodies had very badly decomposed. It's hard to find out if they were strangled when there's no neck left to test. They don't know why they were killed but the evidence suggests a nonse killing.

Yes and it's hard to find out who is responsible. How did one man kill two girls of Holly and Jessicas age with anyone hearing anything, how did one man get them from his house to Lakenheath then set fire to their bodies without anyone seeing anything? how did all this happen in broad daylight?

I never said there was any forensic evidence for that

You said the evidence suggested a nonce killing....What evidence?

[velma]

well, you two must've been watching the news too at one point, otherwise you'd be going 'Ian Huntley who?' 'What murders?' 'Two little.. what?'
'changed what tires where?' 'who confessed to what.. where, when?'

Indupitably... but I didn't swallow the BS they were feeding me. I grabbed my deerstalker and pipe and delved a little deeper. Huntley was sectioned without charge, practically unprecedented in the UK. Detained at the highest security hospital for the criminally insane in the country, before a shred of credible evidence was produced against him, despite showing no previous signs of mental illness. Neither does he fit the psychological profile of a paedophile killer. The girls were not murdered where they were found and the cause of death was not disclosed. It has never been publicly stated that Huntley molested Holly and Jessica. With much prompting from the press and the omission of facts, we are left to presume.....

[_tzupidity]

Indupitably... but I didn't swallow the BS they were feeding me. I grabbed my deerstalker and pipe and delved a little deeper. Huntley was sectioned without charge, practically unprecedented in the UK. Detained at the highest security hospital for the criminally insane in the country, before a shred of credible evidence was produced against him, despite showing no previous signs of mental illness. Neither does he fit the psychological profile of a paedophile killer. The girls were not murdered where they were found and the cause of death was not disclosed. It has never been publicly stated that Huntley molested Holly and Jessica. With much prompting from the press and the omission of facts, we are left to presume.....

I wasn't aware of any of this. Thank god for deerstalkers and pipes. I draw the line at cocaine and violins though.

Does anyone have more information on this outside of "The media said he did it and I invested lots of hate in him and said bad things so I don't want to know if I was wrong thank you."

[geezer661]

Indupitably... but I didn't swallow the BS they were feeding me. I grabbed my deerstalker and pipe and delved a little deeper. Huntley was sectioned without charge, practically unprecedented in the UK. Detained at the highest security hospital for the criminally insane in the country, before a shred of credible evidence was produced against him, despite showing no previous signs of mental illness. Neither does he fit the psychological profile of a paedophile killer. The girls were not murdered where they were found and the cause of death was not disclosed. It has never been publicly stated that Huntley molested Holly and Jessica. With much prompting from the press and the omission of facts, we are left to presume.....

ok, prove it was bullshit,

provide proof of mind control

because all I see from you is baseless assumptions.

He didnt fit the profile of a pedo killer? give me a break. Hes the prime candidate.

heres his pyschological profile:

Ian Huntley - Men Who Kill Children

When the anonymous northern stranger Ian Huntley arrived in the Cambridgeshire fenland town of Soham he was plausible and convincing. So impressed was Soham’s secondary school board he was offered a caretaker’s job.

Yet Huntley was anything but the perfect candidate to work with children. He was a controlling and violent man well known to the police after a string of rape allegations.

He preyed on young girls. Manipulative and deceitful, he managed to evade any conviction until the day he murdered two 10-year-old girls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.

The reason he was taken to rampton was that he was detained under the Mental Health Act. This was because he had previously suffered a break down after being left by his wife within a week of getting married to her.

He was detained because people had raised concerns about his fitness to be interviewed because of his previous breakdown. He was to be pyschologically tested and then he was found to be fit enough.

So your claim that he had no previous about mental illness is just nonsense

They couldnt have found the cause of death due to decomposition of the bodes. Ive been through this.

We are left to presume that he molested them yes, but after all the allegations made to police about rape and molestation, what do you think? its pretty obvious.

[geezer661]

I wasn't aware of any of this. Thank god for deerstalkers and pipes. I draw the line at cocaine and violins though.

Does anyone have more information on this outside of "The media said he did it and I invested lots of hate in him and said bad things so I don't want to know if I was wrong thank you."

yes the entire police investigation :rolleyes:

[velma]

I always thought it unfortunate that Vialls went for the Lakenheath PTSD psychopath theory.
The murder always had more occult undertones and this was a misleader
The obvious anomalies regarding legal process, DNA evidence, self-incrimination and evidence of mind control, are always more interesting than the reiteration of the mainstream account that the guilty hang-'im crowd produce here
Severely duped idiots as in many other ways

So, it would appear that USAF Lakenheath is a Red Herring, because while it is an absurdity that Ian Huntley would have disposed of his victims beside a base for thousands of servicemen, it is unlikely that said personnel would dump their dirty work at their own perimeter fence, which makes Warren Hill the most likely scene of the crime where a jogger heard a child's screams and later found shallow graves.

Who was the occupant of the green saloon car spotted at the War Memorial when the girls were last seen alive, the same car witnessed by a taxi driver, driving towards Warren Hill while struggling with children? Why didn't Huntley's defence team call these witnesses? The state went to a great deal of trouble to pin these killings on a patsy and make him the most vilified man in the country.

Perhaps it is all tied to Operation Ore and the Satanic Elite?

[geezer661]

So, it would appear that USAF Lakenheath is a Red Herring, because while it is an absurdity that Ian Huntley would have disposed of his victims beside a base for thousands of servicemen, it is unlikely that said personnel would dump their dirty work at their own perimeter fence, which makes Warren Hill the most likely scene of the crime where a jogger heard a child's screams and later found shallow graves.

Who was the occupant of the green saloon car spotted at the War Memorial when the girls were last seen alive, the same car witnessed by a taxi driver, driving towards Warren Hill while struggling with children? Why didn't Huntley's defence team call these witnesses? The state went to a great deal of trouble to pin these killings on a patsy and make him the most vilified man in the country.

Perhaps it is all tied to Operation Ore and the Satanic Elite?

Ive said before there are always false leads in murder inquiries. It was most probably a father trying to control his kids while driving.

again another baseless assumption tht hes a patsy, provide evidence for this

[_tzupidity]

yes the entire police investigation :rolleyes:

I don't have access to the entire police investigation. Do you?

[geezer661]

I don't have access to the entire police investigation. Do you?

anyone can through FOI

[_tzupidity]

anyone can through FOI

That wasn't what I asked.

If you've FOI'd them and have a copy, can you share it please?