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ugo_da_lugo
21-03-2010, 11:43 AM
Examine my Avatar - the full version is here -->(http://picasaweb.google.com/philipdegenova/Firemanwbiganglecutbeam?authkey=Gv1sRgCOPewJT79Iey igE#) Its a photograph of ground zero taken on or about 9/11 - but certainly not too long afterwards as evidenced by the condition of the site and the lack of cleanup activity. Although there is evidence of tampering in certain parts of the photograph look carefully at the 45 degree cuts on the support column with an open mind and you will soon discover that perhaps it is the key that unlocks the mystery. If a plane had brought down the building to which this support column belongs then why does this photograph of it even exist?

This article is in three parts:

Part One - This is the smoking gun photograph that, for me, most succinctly conveys the notion implied in the adage "a picture is worth a thousand words". On the face of it the photo seems 'normal' enough - but there is much more to it than meets the eye, as we soon shall see. It was taken shortly after the takedown of the Twin Towers - most likely on the same or on the very next day. Supposedly the 'firemen' in the photo are surveying the scene and the fellow at the top left is apparently some kind of an inspector. The site is still hot and smoky and there is no evidence of a work crew having come onto the scene yet in order to prepare the steel girders for shipment off site. Besides that, not enough debris has been cleared away form the columns in order to allow safe passage for a work crew to come in to begin cutting. This means there couldn't have been welding crews with cutting torches on the job/site at that time. The steel support column that is in the center of the image right above the fireman in the center of the picture has been cut at a 45 degree angle. But the cutting was not done with an acetylene and oxygen torch. That type equipment does not leave slag residue behind as a result of the cutting process. Besides, there is the fact that welder/cutters working on a clean up crew do not cut beams of this sort at a 45 degree angle. That is called a 'demolition' cut - not a 'salvage' cut. A salvage crew will cut them straight across for safety purposes and to save time and labor. For the steel to have reached a temperature hot enough to produce the large amounts of slag residue seen on all four sides and on the outside and inside of the column there needed to have been an external cutting agent used - a highly refined and very sophisticated product made of iron/aluminum powder called Thermite and/or Thermate, which burns extremely hot and fast in order to cut through thick steel plate. Thermite is used by demolition crews in order to cut through heavy steel girders - at a 45 degree angle - so that the building comes down more efficiently. The 45 degree angle allows the topmost portion to slide away from the bottommost portion of the beam thereby facilitating the most efficient means of separation of the steel beams in preparation for the total collapse of the building.

Part Two - The photograph has been credited to photographer Sam Hollenshead. In the picture, the fireman in the middle, in front of the angle cut column is wearing a helmet with the #864. The numbers on FDNY helmets indicate the company or battalion the fireman is from. However, the company or battalion bearing that number has yet to be found, which in and of itself raises some interesting questions as to who the fireman/men might really be. We know for a fact that there were men posing as police, firemen, reporters, photographers, Pentagon workers, and military personnel (soldiers in uniform) etc., all over the place on 9/11

There’s something else wrong with this picture too. Something had always bothered me about the ‘looks’ of the fireman in the center. He bears the countenance of a model who might have graced the cover of ‘Gentleman’s Quarterly’ magazine - too good looking and out of place to be in that particular situation, and I felt a sense of the photo having been ‘staged’ and I think I’m right. The 3 ‘firemen’ in the foreground appear to have been Photo Shopped into the image. If you look at this image closely, you can see that the 3 ‘firemen’ are all the same person, in varying poses and positions. I think the ‘inspector’ in the back (upper left) looks ‘shopped’ in as well, and also his ‘partner’, who is wearing similar beige ‘overalls’ sitting next to a fire on the very left edge of the image looks completely bizarre and out of context - definitely ‘shopped’ in. Examine closely the left boot of the center ‘fireman’ and you’ll see that its ‘shopped’ in -its not planted on the ground in a natural way - it just floats there unsupported. In fact, the feet on all the firemen are suspiciously hidden, and they just don’t sit well at all on the ground plane, which is indicative of photo editing. Note well the manner in which the figures of the three ‘firemen’ stand out weirdly against the background - its unnatural to say the least. Their respective ‘poses’ are oddly frozen as well - further evidence of photo tampering. Ask yourself this - the two flanking ‘firemen’ - what the hell are they looking at over at stage right? - Very strange indeed.

The big question to be answered here is WHY is this image Photo Shopped and why would Sam Hollenshead be accepting of a Pulitzer for such an obviously fraudulent image? Was he asked (told) to fake the image? Was he afraid for his life were he to deny the accuracy of the photograph credited to his name? Or is he an agent of the government - a willing participant in the crimes of 9/11? I would like to have the opportunity to interview Sam on this one.

If someone were to bring this picture into any photo editing program such as Photoshop it will be a simple matter to see that the image is layered and the ‘firemen’ are models that were 'shopped' in. Keep in mind that this ‘iconic’ image won a Pulitzer Prize, so it’s not just any photo. In fact, it is among the most well known of all 9/11 photographs.

Its time to get to the bottom of the fraud. Doing so might finally be the ‘straw’ that breaks their backs. In my estimation, this image is the ‘smoking gun’ picture, and if properly analyzed, understood and unraveled -will unlock the mystery of 9/11 once and for all. Break this photo and you’ll break the government’s entire 9/11 fraud wide open.


Part Three- Let me quote another source from an article written by a well know writer and 9/11 researcher with several published books and articles to his credit, David Todeschini, who also has a website called Net4TruthUSA http://www.LuLu.com/Net4TruthUSA. Web Design by: David Todeschini of Telson USA Web Enterprises: Dave@Net4TruthUSA.com
We both analyzed the same photograph and we both arrived at similar conclusions independently of one another (excepting the fact that I don't believe that airplanes went into the buildings) and I have written him for permission to reproduce his article here.
I had also referenced a post from Phil Jayhan's "Lets' Roll" forum but he banned me for writing in a manner he apparently found disagreeable to himself and his cadre of 'admins', so I am not able to credit the source, becuase he also took the trouble to delete the 'cached' version of the entire thread. I must have a real threat to him. But it was actually merely a 'confirmation' post on observations I had already made and written about with respect to the Photo-Shopping of the image in question. I do like to credit all sources anyway, irrespective of the fact that I am not acutally making use of their material directly.

And I quote from Mr. Todeschini - The irrefutable evidence for a controlled demolition is my observation of the evidence that is “in plain sight” in the photo below. (same as you see in my Avatar) To my knowledge, no one else has made this observation although this photo is widely circulated. (I corrected him on this erroneous point) The photos above are ABSOLUTE PROOF that Thermate was used to cut the core support columns. The rescue operations shown here are PRIOR to the cleanup. People who REFUSE to believe what their eyes tell them will no doubt argue that this support column was cut by a welder during the cleanup operation. However, a PROFESSIONAL welder who is cutting steel for scrap removal would NOT make more work for himself by cutting the steel at a perfect 45-degree angle as shown in the photo above - it is “the long-way around” to make such a cut. In addition, a cutting torch operates by heat AND pressure of the gas. If you’ve ever watched a welder cut an I-beam with a torch, you NEVER see melted steel dripping off the cut as you do in this photo - a cutting torch ejects the metal away from the flame and thereby cuts a “slot” in the metal. Note that the 45-degree angle cut on this box column is completely consistent with the demolition sequence described above, and the presence of molten steel “slag” on the edges on the OUTSIDE of the box-beam is IMPOSSIBLE to do with a cutting torch unless you were cutting it from the INSIDE. It is therefore reasonable to conclude that the steel dripping along the edges of this beam was cut with high-temperature cutting charges such as Thermate or Thermite as is consistent with standard operating practice of professional demolition teams. Since these charges would have taken a considerable time to plan, and WEEKS - if not MONTHS - to put in place, is IRREFUTABLE PROOF that the World Trade Center was INTENTIONALLY DEMOLISHED, there was PREMEDITATION and COMPLETE DISREGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE, and the planes that hit the towers were a DIVERSIONARY TACTIC as alleged.
Use of explosives on steel causes an effect known to metallurgists as “twinning” - and is easily detectable with a laboratory test. Unfortunately, these tests can never be done (unless someone has a piece of steel from the towers - or a bit of the “slag”) because all the steel was hauled away to Asia to be recycled into - whatever. This removal of forensic evidence from WTC was said to have been done to clear the way for rescue operations, but forensics were NEVER done on the WTC steel. In legal circles, removing evidence from a crime scene is called “obstruction of justice” and is, in itself a felony. Whatever excuse was used to remove steel from the WTC site, there were no casualties in WTC-7, which had been evacuated that morning. Why did the insurance companies that paid Mr. Silverstein BILLIONS of dollars, not DEMAND that a forensic investigation of the crime scene be done. For that matter, what the HELL happened with the NYS Attorney General, the Arson Ispector, and the Manhattan District Attorney? I’ll tell you what I think - I think they were all either paid off by the CIA “Men-In-Black” - or threatened with death - Shades of Operation Phoenix.
The implications of this are unimaginable; that complicity if not complete culpability for the MURDER of THOUSANDS of people rests NOT with Osama Bin Laden, the Taliban, or Saddam Hussein, but with officials within our own government who HAD to have the tacit consent of WTC Security and Mr. Larry Silverstein who profited in the BILLIONS on insurance money collected for the “attacks”. The fact that the insurance company did not act to stop the removal of forensic evidence from the crime scene, and paid Mr. Silverstein after a feigned court battle over whether there were one or two “attacks”, is a STINK that has failed to get the “nose” of even the New York State Attorney General - or the Manhattan District Attorney who has jurisdiction over crimes committed in New York City. All I can say is that they are ALL corrupt, and the LOT of them should be ARRESTED and INTERROGATED. Anyone found lying or withholding evidence should be held under the USA Patriot Act (a fitting bit of irony for them), charged with TREASON and 3,000 (or so) counts of CAPITAL MURDER. If they are found guilty, they should be PUBLICLY EXECUTED in accordance with the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

tabea_blumenschein
22-03-2010, 03:45 AM
The steel support column that is in the center of the image right above the fireman in the center of the picture has been cut at a 45 degree angle. But the cutting was not done with an acetylene and oxygen torch. That type equipment does not leave slag residue behind as a result of the cutting process.


Are you sure about that? (http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/04/real-world-tests-cut-through-steel.html)

stannrodd
22-03-2010, 05:45 AM
Then of course many other columns may have been cut after the event to show that the "photo" is normal cutting .. procedure.

I'm not sure why though .

The direct right angled cut is shorter, and more efficient I would think, both in time and expended assets to do the job. But then I don't do demolition clean up jobs.

It is of course hilarious that the member uses suspect photos to support a ridiculous argument anyway.

Tabea .. you didn't comment on my version of the plane impact scenario.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058733662&postcount=62

I was disappointed but not surprised .. maybe you missed it. That thread is basically a NPT attack venue.

Stann :) Post 1000 !!

ugo_da_lugo
22-03-2010, 08:47 AM
It is of course hilarious that the member uses suspect photos to support a ridiculous argument anyway.


I am responding to this idiotic post, NOT for your benefit - but only to set the record straight for our more serious minded readers.

Hilarious and ridiculous eh? I despise lowlifes (dirtbags) such as yourself. I see your kind all over these forums - your like stinking s__t - your everywhere.

First of all your trying to HIJACK the thread for your own intentions.

Secondly, who gives two fucks about your 1,000th post. You people who have so many posts are the most problematic of any I have encountered on these forums. You scream out your childish gibberish in order to be heard so as to accumulate as many postings as possible in order to inflate your immature egos.

Thirdly.........As I stated before...........I am merely pointing to glaring inconsistencies, falshoods and outright fabrications with respect to the governments so-called evidence regarding 9/11. That so-called 'evidence' is of the documentary kind which includes photo's, videos, and other documentation (news releases, false staements made by 'hired' reporters and newscasters etc) either released as propaganda or just as importantly - NOT released, such as the airport tapes and the Pentagon tapes. Controlled evidence is just as false as doctored evidence.
There are two elements you should be attentive to regarding the photograph. The first is the doctoring of the image as a whole and the second is the content of the image as regards the column. The fact that figures were placed within the image itself in no way alters the fact of the significance of the cut column, and the tampering is significant in and of itself - enough to warrant a closer examination.

As far as your 'hilarious and ridiculous' comment? It causes me to wonder who your working for. Ridicule of that kind is standard fare for the trolls and shills that I have encountered so often on these 9/11 forums. I think your a little shit......!!! Now what the f___ are you gonna do about it?

BTW.......I noticed that the "Lets Roll" forum and the Jayhan crowd might be a more suitable place for your assinine meanderings.........you guys would get on just fine - a closet fag seeking outed fags.

ugo_da_lugo
22-03-2010, 08:50 AM
Are you sure about that? (http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/04/real-world-tests-cut-through-steel.html)

And you're not even worthy of a response........

mynameis
22-03-2010, 09:23 PM
And you're not even worthy of a response........

This was taken during the clean up. They needed to cut these columns in particular. If you want I can even tell you what the date of the photo was taken on.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070916034908/http://www.samhollenshead.com/images/essays/wtcslide/wtc05.jpg

Firefighters look for human remains within the smoke

http://web.archive.org/web/20070325133328/http://www.samhollenshead.com/

You say photo-shopped, I say where is your expert lab analysis proving it?

ugo_da_lugo
22-03-2010, 11:28 PM
If you want I can even tell you what the date of the photo was taken on.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070916034908/http://www.samhollenshead.com/images/essays/wtcslide/wtc05.jpghttp://web.archive.org/web/20070325133328/http://www.samhollenshead.com/
You say photo-shopped, I say where is your expert lab analysis proving it?

Yes......I would like the source of the date this photograph was taken and valid proof of the date itself.
Thank you....................

The caption seems fictitious and fatuous to say the least ---> "Firefighters look for human remains within the smoke". I do not have the impression that they are looking for a f___ing thing !!! My very distinct impression is that all five figures have been "TRANSPLANTED" into the scene from a place foreign to the one they now inhabit.

As for your disbelief of the notion that the image has been Photo-Shopped - Please re-examine the photo with an open mind. Perhaps you might consider relaxing first as though you were preparing for a period of silent meditation - clear your mind of all pre-judgments and biased opinions OK?

As for my personal understanding of the image I speak as an artist and as an experienced photographer in the field - I am absolutely positive its a 'shopped' image!
FWIW I have advanced degrees in the field and have taught photography so its not merely an educated guess - I have the experience and education to back it up.

btw...........THE LINKS ARE DEAD............

eustacekidd
22-03-2010, 11:28 PM
Are you sure about that? (http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/04/real-world-tests-cut-through-steel.html)

Very interesting, why isn't this more widely known?

mynameis
23-03-2010, 12:54 AM
Yes......I would like the source of the date this photograph was taken and valid proof of the date itself.
Thank you....................

As for my personal understanding of the image I speak as an artist and as an experienced photographer in the field - I am absolutely positive its a 'shopped' image!
FWIW I have advanced degrees in the field and have taught photography so its not merely an educated guess - I have the experience and education to back it up.

btw...........THE LINKS ARE DEAD............

The links are from the internet archive which was archived when the link was active. So yea that's why they were dead. The site is still active today. Secondly, I don't accept someone's word that they are the Grand Nigerian Prince who needs money, but wants my bank account, so that's why your credentials are meaningless.

From previous research.

When was that infamous picture of the cut through box column behind the firefighter taken??

thats kind of an important question - because rescue/cleanup workers cut through columns after the collapses.

How do we know that that picture is or isn't a shot of a steel column cut by cleanup teams way after the collapse - and not a picture of the column as it was immediately after collapse (or vice versa)

also had the support columns been cut though with conventional explosives there would be lots of evidence pointing to that - there is none.

IF the columns were severed to facilitate a rapid collapse then they were severed by higher tech means and NOT by normal explosives or by thermate/thermite

I can find out. I found the date before. I think this was from just after the collapse on the 12 or 13th.

http://www.samhollenshead.com/

This says different?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x175209


In 2001 he moved to New York City where he began taking photos for labor unions throughout the metropolitan area. After 9/11, he documented workers at the World Trade Center site clearing debris and rebuilding damaged subway lines. Images from this project were published in the New York Times Magazine and displayed at the Museum of the City of New York. A second exhibition of these photographs will be shown at the New York City Transit Museum in the fall of 2006.

http://www.polarisimages.com/Portfolios/Photographers/Sam_Hollenshead/

Email: sam@samhollenshead.com

Here's is why I chose those dates:

http://web.archive.org/web/20071115194208/www.samhollenshead.com/images/essays/wtcslide/wtc01.jpg

A firefighter clears debris on September 13. The skeletal remains of the South Tower loom in the background.
http://web.archive.org/web/20060526174956/http://www.samhollenshead.com/

ugo_da_lugo
23-03-2010, 01:27 AM
Very interesting, why isn't this more widely known?

Would you please elaborate on your post? and to whom or what are you referring?...........Thanks

ugo_da_lugo
23-03-2010, 01:40 AM
mynameis.......................Is this the right date? --> "I think this was from just after the collapse on the 12 or 13th."

If so, it falls right within my estimate - perfectly...........

As far as this post noted below is concerned............I am very suspect of the photographer (Sam Hollenshead) in all of this and I do not trust a word of what he says nor do I trust anything that is attributed to him !

QUOTED FROM jberryhill HERE http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x175209

5. He (Hollenshead) wrote back.... He's going to check his notes for more information about the photograph, but he has written back to me and said:

"i do recall that the photo of the firefighters was taken almost a month after 9/11 and the cut beam in the background was almost certainly cut by a worker, not the result of 'intentional demolition.'"

That quote has the appearance of a fabrication. In other words he's a f___ing liar. Hollenshead deserves another "Pulitzer" for Best Fiction.........His Pulitzer "prize" for the photo was a reward for "Obedient Service"

Please note my post on the previous page in this regard --> I think Hollenshead is a "Hired Hand" - most likely a FEMA 'operative' brought in to 'document' the tragedy for the benefit of the viewing audience.

mynameis
23-03-2010, 01:47 AM
mynameis.......................Is this the right date? --> "I think this was from just after the collapse on the 12 or 13th."

If so, it falls right within my estimate - perfectly...........

As far as this post noted below is concerned............I am very suspect of the photographer (Sam Hollenshead) in all of this and I do not trust a word of what he says nor do I trust anything that is attributed to him !

QUOTED FROM jberryhill HERE http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x175209

5. He (Hollenshead) wrote back.... He's going to check his notes for more information about the photograph, but he has written back to me and said:

"i do recall that the photo of the firefighters was taken almost a month after 9/11 and the cut beam in the background was almost certainly cut by a worker, not the result of 'intentional demolition.'"

That quote has the appearance of a fabrication. In other words he's a f___ing liar. Hollenshead deserves another "Pulitzer" for Best Fiction.........His Pulitzer "prize" for the photo was a reward for "Obedient Service"

An estimate? The pictures aren't in sequence so there's no telling when after the 13th it was taken. Second, that's slag from welder arc tools.

http://www.debunking911.com/cut2.jpg

Another picture, blown up from the same photographer at ground zero.

http://hereisnewyork.org//jpegs/photos/5102.jpg

ugo_da_lugo
23-03-2010, 01:58 AM
An estimate?

My estimation of the date was "on or about September 11th 2001 - give or take maybe a day"..........

mynameis
23-03-2010, 02:04 AM
My estimation of the date was "on or about September 11th 2001 - give or take maybe a day"..........

Yea, but there's no telling when in the series those others were taken. He spent a number of days at the site. I haven't written him to find out how many times or how long he worked there.

911conspiracytv
23-03-2010, 02:53 AM
Angled cut column explained. - YouTube

tabea_blumenschein
23-03-2010, 04:08 AM
Then of course many other columns may have been cut after the event to show that the "photo" is normal cutting .. procedure.

I'm not sure why though .

The direct right angled cut is shorter, and more efficient I would think, both in time and expended assets to do the job. But then I don't do demolition clean up jobs.

It is of course hilarious that the member uses suspect photos to support a ridiculous argument anyway.

Tabea .. you didn't comment on my version of the plane impact scenario.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058733662&postcount=62

I was disappointed but not surprised .. maybe you missed it. That thread is basically a NPT attack venue.

Stann :) Post 1000 !!

Yes, I did see this post, and I think your version is very sensible. If I get a chance later, I have a few things I'd like to add that I'll be posting on that thread.

eustacekidd
23-03-2010, 12:56 PM
Would you please elaborate on your post? and to whom or what are you referring?...........Thanks

Pretty obvious I was referring to the article quoted in that post.

ugo_da_lugo
23-03-2010, 04:00 PM
Pretty obvious I was referring to the article quoted in that post.

Better for you to refer to the post that begins this thread if you are seeking accurate unbiased information!!! I doubt very much that you have read it thoroughly though. People who have their minds made up seldom do – they look at the evidence as presented in a one sided prejudicial manner, for the most part anyway. You trust the Italian's Ha Ha Ha ROLF.....they invented dis-information. Beware of the National Geographic and History Channel type de-bunkers in your midst - they shall be your undoing.........

eustacekidd
23-03-2010, 07:35 PM
Better for you to refer to the post that begins this thread if you are seeking accurate unbiased information!!! I doubt very much that you have read it thoroughly though. People who have their minds made up seldom do – they look at the evidence as presented in a one sided prejudicial manner, for the most part anyway. You trust the Italian's Ha Ha Ha ROLF.....they invented dis-information. Beware of the National Geographic and History Channel type de-bunkers in your midst - they shall be your undoing.........

You seem very highly strung, a calm rational mind is needed in the pursuit of truth.

kooskoets
23-03-2010, 08:04 PM
Tabea .. you didn't comment on my version of the plane impact scenario.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058733662&postcount=62

I was disappointed but not surprised .. maybe you missed it. That thread is basically a NPT attack venue.

Stann :) Post 1000 !!

And you didn't comment on my answer.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058738118&postcount=80

Might still come...

ugo_da_lugo
23-03-2010, 09:00 PM
You seem very highly strung, a calm rational mind is needed in the pursuit of truth.

Your lame answer is rather typical of a person who has nothing to contribute but feels that he must say something in order to overcome and compensate for his sense of smallness and/or unworthiness. Are you a short person by any chance?

I am sorry for you and even somewhat embarrased to have been in the same 'room' with you. Your lack of a proper response serves as a good reminder to me of the fact of something I had already come to a conclusion about - I chose the wrong place for an intelligent discussion of the topic at hand !!!

eustacekidd
23-03-2010, 10:37 PM
Inane rant

Lovely.

secondsun
29-03-2010, 04:56 AM
...ALERT!...ALERT!... another fake Truther!

...the A.C.M.E Disinfo Pig Factory are churning them out like VW Beetles!


...all these Photography Professionals and Brain Surgeons that come on here and suggest everything is fake, and they of course should know best,but they dont have enough cranial capacity to even count!

...and then accuse `real` truthers of being the very same thing which they are themselves!... amazing!


......My very distinct impression is that all five figures have been "TRANSPLANTED" into the scene from a place foreign to the one they now inhabit.

As for your disbelief of the notion that the image has been Photo-Shopped - Please re-examine the photo with an open mind. Perhaps you might consider relaxing first as though you were preparing for a period of silent meditation - clear your mind of all pre-judgments and biased opinions OK?

As for my personal understanding of the image I speak as an artist and as an experienced photographer in the field - I am absolutely positive its a 'shopped' image!
FWIW I have advanced degrees in the field and have taught photography so its not merely an educated guess - I have the experience and education to back it up.

btw...........THE LINKS ARE DEAD............

..ok fake truther i suggest YOU re-examine the pic` with an open mind, not that you have one, and learn how to count!... one...two..three..four..five...SIX!

http://i40.tinypic.com/2cfcfax.jpg

...yes!...SIX people in the f*cking picture!... dimwit!... the one you missed hiding behind all that rusty steel wire!... i`ve enlarged it for you!... and `i am absolutely positive your a `shopped` truther!`... and in my self educated experience i deduce... you need a f*cking pair of glasses!

...go and play with Donald the Duck or something!?

stannrodd
29-03-2010, 05:58 AM
Sometimes they are "quite" pathetic secondsun .. and convincing, .. but only in that they are pathetic. We can be sympathetic and supportive though I guess!! Offer some guidance to knowledge.

@ Kooskoets

And you didn't comment on my answer.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...8&postcount=80

This thread isn't the place to answer a question posed in another thread. I also don't have to respond .. especially to something which is a promotion of a theory not too dissimilar to Christophera's concrete core shit.

Stann

kooskoets
29-03-2010, 08:09 PM
This thread isn't the place to answer a question posed in another thread. I also don't have to respond .. especially to something which is a promotion of a theory not too dissimilar to Christophera's concrete core shit.

Stann



Originally Posted by stannrodd

Tabea .. you didn't comment on my version of the plane impact scenario.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...2&postcount=62

I was disappointed but not surprised .. maybe you missed it. That thread is basically a NPT attack venue.

Stann

Well well...

stannrodd
29-03-2010, 10:20 PM
Well well...

Touche' .. both guilty .. heh heh !!

Good to see you are awake !

Stann ;)

citroen999
02-04-2010, 10:22 PM
the photo proves nothing...

no date stamp... who knows when that was took and what work had been done to that area..

as much as i want it to be proof of controlled demolition evidence, it cant be proved.

take a step back, deep breath, and work it out..

could be or might not..

air_bn
05-04-2010, 11:07 PM
In the interest of fairness it needs pointing out the earlier image did look fake,
regardless of secondsun's more realistic recent blow-up.

As others have stated, all the shill type accusations do nothing to further
anyones case,and as citroen999 rightly states this proves nothing in itself as the photographer wasn't professional enough to date the image;)

secondsun
06-04-2010, 04:18 AM
the photo proves nothing...


..but the lack of any response by the OP might prove something!? :rolleyes:


as much as i want it to be proof of controlled demolition evidence, it cant be proved

...dont be daft!... what do want... `Official` proof?

...dont hold your breath!

angrysoba
06-04-2010, 03:42 PM
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h131/triathlete247/WTC%20Attack/FEMAphoto_WTC-062.jpg

This picture gives a good idea of the size of the perimeter columns still standing with the people in the crane doing something to cause lots of sparks to fly. Maybe they're setting off the hitherto unreacted therm*te?

More of those pictures are here:

http://s63.photobucket.com/albums/h131/triathlete247/WTC%20Attack/

It's worth looking though to get an idea of what the rubble looked like after the collapse of the towers. (i.e not like it had been blown up with thermite).

And this one as well, seems to show the beams being cut at an angle even if the OP says it would be too much bother to do so.

http://www.layscience.net/files/wtc/9.jpg

http://layscience.net/?q=node/124