Police blame UAF for violence at EDL march

[mr fiddler]

scores of people were arrested during violent clashes between right-wing and anti-fascist protesters and police as a demonstration brought a town centre to a standstill today.

But police said rival protesters from Unite Against Fascism (UAF), who organised a counter-demonstration, were responsible for most of the violence.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259409/Police-attack-right-wing-group-anti-fascists-clash-violent-street-protests.html#ixzz0inCvhUm1



Once again, the UAF show reveal themselves, using intimidation & violence, trying to deny free speech.

When will people realize, the whole EDL etc "Thing" is more than just a few "Racist thugs" as many would like to label it, its normal everyday people, who are fed up having another culture rammed down their throat, and being told to accept it.

the elected government have made a mockery out of the voting public from day 1, EDL have a right to march, to make known to "Our" government, that a section of the UK population have had enough

[mr fiddler]

What an animal, she probably considers herself an intellectual,passionate, Anarchist,or something, no doubt she's high on dope, and had a few cans of super tenants.

Hopefully she was held in custody, and missed her "signing-on" day

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[entrangermercenary]

What an animal, she probably considers herself an Anarchist,or something, no doubt she's high on dope, and a few cans of super tenants

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Thats some1s daughter you are talking about :eek:

[free thinker]

scores of people were arrested during violent clashes between right-wing and anti-fascist protesters and police as a demonstration brought a town centre to a standstill today.

But police said rival protesters from Unite Against Fascism (UAF), who organised a counter-demonstration, were responsible for most of the violence.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259409/Police-attack-right-wing-group-anti-fascists-clash-violent-street-protests.html#ixzz0inCvhUm1



Once again, the UAF show reveal themselves, using intimidation & violence, trying to deny free speech.

When will people realize, this is more than just a few "Racist thugs" as many would like to label it, its normal everyday people, who are fed up having another culture rammed down their throat, and being told to accept it.

the elected government have made a mockery out of the voting public from day 1, EDL have a right to march, to make known to "Our" government, that a section of the UK population have had enough

...And of course, UAF is supported (along with searchlies) by all major political parties.

[entrangermercenary]

scores of people were arrested during violent clashes between right-wing and anti-fascist protesters and police as a demonstration brought a town centre to a standstill today.

But police said rival protesters from Unite Against Fascism (UAF), who organised a counter-demonstration, were responsible for most of the violence.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259409/Police-attack-right-wing-group-anti-fascists-clash-violent-street-protests.html#ixzz0inCvhUm1



Once again, the UAF show reveal themselves, using intimidation & violence, trying to deny free speech.

When will people realize, this is more than just a few "Racist thugs" as many would like to label it, its normal everyday people, who are fed up having another culture rammed down their throat, and being told to accept it.

the elected government have made a mockery out of the voting public from day 1, EDL have a right to march, to make known to "Our" government, that a section of the UK population have had enough


Havnt seen loads of coverage on the msm tho !!! MMM could that be because the EDL turned out numbers that were more than the counter demo by the UAF.

Seems to me when the EDL protested before and only a few hundred turned up the msm were all over it ...now they are getting thousands its been buried .

[snapdragon]

Isn't it all run by no.2 MI5 agent Jeremy Goebbel? or did he retire already?

[stelios]

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Hey steady on old chap thats my wife you are talking about in a disrespectful manner.

EDL meanwhile once again prove who their masters are:

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http://barthsnotes.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/edl-reaper.jpg

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[mr fiddler]

Thats some1s daughter you are talking about :eek:

lol is that supposed to be a Joke?

Havnt seen loads of coverage on the msm tho !!! MMM could that be because the EDL turned out numbers that were more than the counter demo by the UAF.

Seems to me when the EDL protested before and only a few hundred turned up the msm were all over it ...now they are getting thousands its been buried .

Er would you mind rewriting that, in such a manner, so as one can understand your point

[sparkie]

msm: Mainstream media.

Normally they have plenty to voice about "The EDL are the enemy of the people", but when it's the other way round, they keep queit.

[sparkie]

EDL meanwhile once again prove who their masters are:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Bfndnd6PMps/Su2w_sdJJQI/AAAAAAAAARM/TeDyfp8sPgw/s400/israeli+flag2.JPG


You call that proof?

Looks to me like some Jews who hate Islam.

[mikey mikey]

Er... why have the police suddenly got so reliable?

Aren't these the same police that attcked the protesters and bystanders at the G20 protests in London?

Since when has the MSM become the voice of truth?

Isn't this the same rag that supported the Iraq invasion?

So the EDL carry Israeli flags, have police support and are covered favourably by the Daily Mail and somehow they are not fascists?

Did I miss something?

[soleil]

Thats some1s daughter you are talking about :eek:

She's an example why the Wehrmacht were told to shoot themselves rather than be taken POW by Communist women. lol

[rodin]

I heard a woman from EDL say how their demonstrations are infiltrated. A group wearing EDL insignia join the demo, make photo opportunity NAZI salutes then leave

IMO Jews are behind keeping the NAZI meme alive (in its present MSM form)

The pic of EDL with Israeli flag could easily be agenteurs at work.

Also IMO Muslin Extremism is an agenteur operation. You only have to look @ 911 and 7/7 to see how tenable this thesis is.

Also quite possibly the EDL has been set up as agenteur, though unlike the other lot who come across as Bolshevicks the EDL has probably attracted many ordinary people. Directing their opposition to extreme Islam suits the extreme Jewish supremacists who run the UK UN EU USA and the counterfieting of money and extending of unpayable debt.

Really we need a committee of proven indigenous UK people of good heart to sort this mess out. As a first step entry into the steering committee to devolve power back to the people should have intact foreskin as an entry requirement.

Once we have an impregnable fair system it should again be inclusive, but these are extremely unusual times and we must take unusual precautions

[mikey mikey]

IMO Jews are behind keeping the NAZI meme alive

No it is comments like the one below that keep Nazism alive.

Really we need a committee of proven indigenous UK people of good heart to sort this mess out. As a first step entry into the steering committee to devolve power back to the people should have intact foreskin as an entry requirement.

Once we have an impregnable fair system it should again be inclusive, but these are extremely unusual times and we must take unusual precautions

It is just such "impregnable" racial, political and religious exclusion that harkens back to Nazism.

[refusetoconsent]

considering we are all ment to be enlightened and more educated than the unfortunate sheep, i think we should establish the fundamental basics.
because a group of individuals feel second class citizens in their own country and wish to protest does not make them fascists.
because the other group are politically ignorant and hate free speech does not make them fascists.
the reason the country is in the shit is due to the fact that people are quick to jump on a slur without actually understanding what it means, this effect has destroyed the word " fascism " and "racism " they can no longer be used credibly with out the true meaning and gravity been understood.
the uaf is a complete joke, they are no more than rent a thug. Divide and conquer in motion, but do we recognise it ?

[mikey mikey]

considering we are all ment to be enlightened and more educated than the unfortunate sheep, i think we should establish the fundamental basics.
because a group of individuals feel second class citizens in their own country and wish to protest does not make them fascists.
because the other group are politically ignorant and hate free speech does not make them fascists.
the reason the country is in the shit is due to the fact that people are quick to jump on a slur without actually understanding what it means, this effect has destroyed the word " fascism " and "racism " they can no longer be used credibly with out the true meaning and gravity been understood.


Interesting avatar you have there.:rolleyes:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=33079&dateline=1257941024

[refusetoconsent]

Interesting avatar you have there.:rolleyes:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=33079&dateline=1257941024

im glad you like it.

[mikey mikey]

perhaps I wasn't clear.

Look at your avatar.

Okay?

Now look at you words

people are quick to jump on a slur without actually understanding what it means, this effect has destroyed the word " fascism "

Notice anything?

[refusetoconsent]

perhaps I wasn't clear.

Look at your avatar.

Okay?

Now look at you words

people are quick to jump on a slur without actually understanding what it means, this effect has destroyed the word " fascism "

Notice anything?

no. . .
wait . . .

erm. . . .
could you explain please?

[britishnick]

considering we are all ment to be enlightened and more educated than the unfortunate sheep, i think we should establish the fundamental basics.
because a group of individuals feel second class citizens in their own country and wish to protest does not make them fascists.
because the other group are politically ignorant and hate free speech does not make them fascists.
the reason the country is in the shit is due to the fact that people are quick to jump on a slur without actually understanding what it means, this effect has destroyed the word " fascism " and "racism " they can no longer be used credibly with out the true meaning and gravity been understood.
the uaf is a complete joke, they are no more than rent a thug. Divide and conquer in motion, but do we recognise it ?

exactly.

more understanding and less : watching shite on TV that makes us think that making unfounded sweeping judgements, that put people in to convenient little boxes of like and dis-like is okay.

More understanding, less arguing. Less wankers at the 'top of the pile' would help too (lol - that's the dis-like box I've put them in there ;o)

peace

[rodin]

No it is comments like the one below that keep Nazism alive.

It is just such "impregnable" racial, political and religious exclusion that harkens back to Nazism.

You think we should not screen for possible terrorists?

I am saying we the people take the UK back and expose the corruption

Build a transparent system in which the people self-govern and self-audit

I trust human nature en masse to do the right thing given all the available.

I think using the scanners on the scammers a good idea. Public school trains our ruling class and we don't want one. Public Schoolboys nearly all are circumcised.

Of course it seems ridiculous to have a foreskin only entry into the team charged with the role of implementing a fair and accountable system. Many of the best will be excluded. But crucially so will the worst.

In any case anyone will be able to influence the outcome, just not anyone will be able to implement the system

The system though would offer equal opportunity to all, no restrictions, once it has been proved to be impregnable from organised cult attack

[mikey mikey]

no. . .
wait . . .

erm. . . .
could you explain please?

Well your avatar seems to suggest a parallel between Nazism, Communism and the EU.

Am I correct?

[mikey mikey]

You think we should not screen for possible terrorists?

Wow now you sound like the government with their racial profiling and screening and wiretapping and microchips and...

I am saying we the people take the UK back

From whom? The Blacks The Indians and Pakistanis? The muslims? The jews? The rich? The Poles? the commies? The Nazis? The Fascists? The Thugs? The Chavs? The football hooligans? The American Government? The EU?

and expose the corruption

By all means expose corruption, but I fail to see how the EDL are doing that.

Build a transparent system in which the people self-govern and self-audit

It's called Democracy.

I trust human nature en masse to do the right thing given all the available.

I am happy to share your optimism. But excluding people on religious or racial grounds is not the "right thing". And what is of "a good heart" supposed to mean other than your subjective evaluation is still a mystery.

I suspect that criteria would exclude me despite my Anglo-Saxon genealogy and my unclipped foreskin, if you were to be the judge of my "heart".

I think using the scanners on the scammers a good idea.

Like for instance, in airports?

Public school trains our ruling class and we don't want one.

I share your dislike for our class system but we were very slowly becoming more socially mobile until certain powers started turning the clock back.

Public Schoolboys nearly all are circumcised.

Just exactly how do you know that?

The system though would offer equal opportunity to all, no restrictions, once it has been proved to be impregnable from organised cult attack

Sorry but putting human rights on hold for anyone "temporarily" in order to "safeguard" the reform sounds too much like the same thing Bush/Blair were saying about "temporary" security measures for "national security".

It also smacks of the sort of stuff that all revolutionaries who quickly make the transition to tyrant make.

[refusetoconsent]

Well your avatar seems to suggest a parallel between Nazism, Communism and the EU.

Am I correct?

more a continuation of acceptance by peoples who originally agree to a loss of tradition and liberties due to a manufactured enemy, and the promise of a better and fairer system.


please, continue.

[mikey mikey]

more a continuation of acceptance by peoples who originally agree to a loss of tradition and liberties due to a manufactured enemy, and the promise of a better and fairer system.

You mean precisely what rodin is currently proposing that we agree to? (see above)

please, continue.

The EDL, who are after all a hard-right wing organisation who have links to the BNP and give Nazi salutes and yet you object to the use of the term "facist" . And yet you seem to be fine with drawing a direct parallel (the arms being literlaly parallel), or "continuity" sorry, with the EU and Nazis.##

Surely if one is hyperbole then so is the other?

[twistedconcept]

Once again, the idiots that are attached to these groups can't see the big picure. They always blame the effect and don't look at the cause. When you bring radically different cultures together, you're always going to get problems. The elite knew this. It was designed to destroy all culture, including the Muslim religion.

As Weishaupt said, "Oh, foolish man, what can you not be made to believe?"

[mikey mikey]

Once again, the idiots that are attached to these groups can't see the big picure. They always blame the effect and don't look at the cause. When you bring radically different cultures together, you're always going to get problems. The elite knew this. It was designed to destroy all culture, including the Muslim religion.

As Weishaupt said, "Oh, foolish man, what can you not be made to believe?"

Pro-segragation arguments dressed up as blaming the government.

Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus and others have been living in Britain for generations.

Until just recently it was Catholics and Protestant Christians that couldn't get along. Would you have suggested they live seperately too?

Still do in Scotland to a certain extent. That's why the SDL never got it together.

he he he

[twistedconcept]

Pro-segragation arguments dressed up as blaming the government.

Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus and others have been living in Britain for generations.

Until just recently it was Catholics and Protestant Christians that couldn't get along. Would you have suggested they live seperately too?

Still do in Scotland to a certain extent. That's why the SDL never got it together.

he he he

Where did I suggest anything? It was simply an observation. If you bring vastly different cultures together, it's very easy to stir up the tension. This is well understood in sociology. I live in an area populated by muslims and the vast majority of them are fine people.

Islam is close to being destroyed, which was always the intention. Strong family ties, no central banking, no strip clubs, morally degraded culture = unacceptable to a one world government.

Christianity has been destroyed and Islam is next. An atheistic society must be created, as Julian Huxley said.

[refusetoconsent]

You mean precisely what rodin is currently proposing that we agree to? (see above)



The EDL, who are after all a hard-right wing organisation who have links to the BNP and give Nazi salutes and yet you object to the use of the term "facist" . And yet you seem to be fine with drawing a direct parallel (the arms being literlaly parallel), or "continuity" sorry, with the EU and Nazis.##

Surely if one is hyperbole then so is the other?

im sure rodin and myself would disagree on a few things, but hey, thats humans for you.
but getting back to the issue, to recognise fascism certain traits need to be identified.
a regime that ignores democracy, hand picking rulers, while using legislation to silence dissent.
a control over mass media to influence the collective psyche.
the merger of private corporations with the state agenda.
a hyped threat of an internal and external enemy, sold as a need for national security. ect
sounds like the eu to me, hence the avatar.
i dont think the average joe mug on the street has much influence over the implication of fascism, but they can support it without truly understanding it.
nazism does not define fascism, nor is fascism anything to do with racism, but the majority would make this assumption. Thus the word and its use are hugely missunderstood.

i look forward to your interpretation of the above statement.
( as a side note if you disagree then thats fine.)

[gremlin]

If anything, Great Britain,the English, welsch, scottish, irish and others have shown that this island is not yet defeated.
This is exactly what was needed to inject some passion back into the country and show labour that they are out at the next election.:D
People from up and down this island met and swapped phone numbers and are talking, why cant people here see the positive instead of the negative.
This website has become a bit of a joke, their is more arguing here than you would find at bolton between EDL and UAF.
EDL have proved that people of all races can actually join up and defend democracy from the crazies.
No one in power, ie radio presenters, news reporters could handle what happened yesterday, sent a wave of confussion across the waves of information, I myself found that a kick in the balls to the controllers:D

[zephiloyd]

The EDL, who are after all a hard-right wing organisation who have links to the .....

try to stop using terms like this, it is not a reflection of the true reality, it is just an easy way to pigeonhole groups. The left/right paradigm only exists because we were told that it does by our bent media and education.

[rydeon]

Here's some of the little UAF darlings at their finest.
The chickens have come home to roost and knocked the coup over!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWifb5QDjnc

[cpfc12]

try to stop using terms like this, it is not a reflection of the true reality, it is just an easy way to pigeonhole groups. The left/right paradigm only exists because we were told that it does by our bent media and education.

True like the lefties complaining about global warming, although that scam would probably be the greatest attempts at our liberties in recent years.

[mikey mikey]

try to stop using terms like this, it is not a reflection of the true reality, it is just an easy way to pigeonhole groups. The left/right paradigm only exists because we were told that it does by our bent media and education.

Well you might very well be objecting to the RW/LW paradigm in earnest but I have noticed that talk os "socialist" this and "communist" that and "PC Marxist" and "loony left" and not ONCE do any "enlightened" apolitical posters come along to correct it.

And yet any mention of the right gets another lecture that it's "all just a sham".

Well maybe it is. But that doesn't stop people on both sides believing in it and joining in.

[geezer661]

tht rough bitch belongs on J kyle

[eternal_spirit]

Any news on baiter Bennet UAF leader who got arrested? Rolf :D:D:D

[zephiloyd]

Well you might very well be objecting to the RW/LW paradigm in earnest but I have noticed that talk os "socialist" this and "communist" that and "PC Marxist" and "loony left" and not ONCE do any "enlightened" apolitical posters come along to correct it.

And yet any mention of the right gets another lecture that it's "all just a sham".

Well maybe it is. But that doesn't stop people on both sides believing in it and joining in.

The majority of people supporting the existence of the left/right paradigm, tend to be the ones considered to be on the left. It is considered acceptable by the MSM to be left wing, but not so to be right wing. It is much more acceptable to be considered a communist by the MSM than a fascist. The supposed left wing can use this as a weapon, throwing accusations of being "right wing" to people who do not recognise the paradigm, and these accusations are thus irrelevant and annoying. This is the clever confused mess our real enemy, the elite have created.

[mynameis]

Here's some of the little UAF darlings at their finest.
The chickens have come home to roost and knocked the coup over!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWifb5QDjnc

Was Jesus a chicken too?

[mikey mikey]

The majority of people supporting the existence of the left/right paradigm, tend to be the ones considered to be on the left.

And just how do you know that then? Did you do a survey? Have you spoken to "the majority of people supporting the existence of the left/right paradigm"?

How did you know that you had indeed spoken to the "majority"?

Or is this, in fact, just your impression?

That you notice when people class something as right wing and you object to it and that you don't notice and/or object when they do the same for the left.

It is considered acceptable by the MSM to be left wing, but not so to be right wing.

Where? In the US communism and socialism are bywords for un-American and in Britain the failure of the Labour party has meant that their politics are dicredited and that was after years of hearing talk of the "loony left" while they were in opposition.

Do you mean here? Have you missed the accuations of Marxist and PC and liberal and communist and other labels thrown around? I think you must have, even on this thread, because your objection to the RW/LW paradigm was posted and aimed only at my use of the term "hard right".

It is much more acceptable to be considered a communist by the MSM than a fascist.

To whom? Maybe the Chinese government or Castro. Incidently there have been numerous mentions of the UAF as being "fascist" on this thread preceding your post. Is this what you mean?;)

The supposed left wing can use this as a weapon, throwing accusations of being "right wing" to people who do not recognise the paradigm,

You can get FOX News or pick up the Daily Mail can't you? Good. For a minute I thought you had never heard of them.

and these accusations are thus irrelevant and annoying.

Is it equally as irrelevent and annoying when you see posters talking about Obama being a socialist or the EU being a communist take-over?

This is the clever confused mess our real enemy, the elite have created.

And are these elite "left wing" in your mind? If so, then surely you too conform to the RW/LW paradigm and if not, then why would accusation " of being "right wing" be any more "annoying" to you than one of being "left"?

[zephiloyd]

And just how do you know that then? Did you do a survey? Have you spoken to "the majority of people supporting the existence of the left/right paradigm"?

it just seems obvious




That you notice when people class something as right wing and you object to it and that you don't notice and/or object when they do the same for the left.

it depends on the context



Where? In the US communism and socialism are bywords for un-American and in Britain the failure of the Labour party has meant that their politics are dicredited and that was after years of hearing talk of the "loony left" while they were in opposition.

I should have written "more acceptable"



Do you mean here? Have you missed the accuations of Marxist and PC and liberal and communist and other labels thrown around? I think you must have, even on this thread, because your objection to the RW/LW paradigm was posted and aimed only at my use of the term "hard right".

I objected to hard right because within the MSM paradigm it is associated with fascism, and would be mistakenly used in reference to people who support elements of the EDL policies. It supports the false notion that you can't be anti immigration without being "hard right" and thus a fascist in the eyes of the masses.


To whom? Maybe the Chinese government or Castro. Incidently there have been numerous mentions of the UAF as being "fascist" on this thread preceding your post. Is this what you mean?;)



I meant that this is true at our time in history now. Just observe the casual communist flag waving apparent at Copenhagen in December. Could you imagine them tolerating goosestepping swastika wavers there?

You can get FOX News or pick up the Daily Mail can't you? Good. For a minute I thought you had never heard of them.



Is it equally as irrelevent and annoying when you see posters talking about Obama being a socialist or the EU being a communist take-over?

The opposition throwing accusations of "left wing" or socialist tends to apply because the subjects are compliant to the acceptance of the right/left paradigm, thus it is an applicable accusation, Obama could equally be called a fascist for the same reason as he is called socialist or communist.



And are these elite "left wing" in your mind?


within the RW/LW paradigm, the elite are fascists and communists, it doesn't matter, as long as they are in charge.

in reality they are communitarians.


If so, then surely you too conform to the RW/LW paradigm and if not, then why would accusation " of being "right wing" be any more "annoying" to you than one of being "left"?

This is because of the greater negative connotations that have been associated with it by the bent media and bent history, giving a false impression to the masses.

[nirvana]

Just shows what the UAF is really about .They are the brown shirts of the New labour NWO.

The uaf and edl people still need to be given more info regarding the nwo etc.
Ive been giving out alot of dvds to EDL guys and some of them are really starting to see the bigger picture.

:D

[peejay]

you should all check out these videos of cveitch at the march...

The Love Police reporting for the Obscurati (1 of 2) - YouTube

The Love Police reporting for the Obscurati (2 of 2) - YouTube


Judging from these videos it was the police causing trouble.
but i think the edl,uaf and the police here are all as bad as each other, talk about divide and conquer ;)

[oioioi]

If it was 1939 some people on here would be very confused.

[cpfc12]

you should all check out these videos of cveitch at the march...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHuk1P9yZIE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8YvH8-s-u4


Judging from these videos it was the police causing trouble.
but i think the edl,uaf and the police here are all as bad as each other, talk about divide and conquer ;)

In the end of the day its easy for us to judge sitting back, but the police needed to get those people out of the way from the EDL march otherwise shit would have really hit the fan. It was obvious that the UAF where planning on getting in the way of the EDL, which for the reasons must be justified, but the police couldn't let a full on clash take place.

[oioioi]

So the EDL carry Israeli flags, have police support and are covered favourably by the Daily Mail and somehow they are not fascists?

Did I miss something?


:D

Apparently only antifa are fascist now. I say apparently, according to those who are right wing....oh shit, that doesn't exist either....racist then? Oh no, it's Muslims, not Asians they oppose. The proxy Muslim feminists then. :p

[geezer661]

:D

Apparently only antifa are fascist now. I say apparently, according to those who are right wing....oh shit, that doesn't exist either....racist then? Oh no, it's Muslims, not Asians they oppose. The proxy Muslim feminists then. :p

yawwwwnnnn

[oioioi]

yawwwwnnnn

Very grown up :p

[geezer661]

Very grown up :p

lol

[peejay]

In the end of the day its easy for us to judge sitting back, but the police needed to get those people out of the way from the EDL march otherwise shit would have really hit the fan. It was obvious that the UAF where planning on getting in the way of the EDL, which for the reasons must be justified, but the police couldn't let a full on clash take place.


yeah you're right, but i wouldnt say the UAF were causing violence though (again only judging by footage i've seen) they were just getting pissy about the police arresting them.

Ive noticed how the EDL are mainly working/lower class while the UAF are middle class/students, very interesting.
to be honest i dont think either side understands the others real motives, which is obviously whats causing all the clashes between the 2 groups.

[cpfc12]

yeah you're right, but i wouldnt say the UAF were causing violence though (again only judging by footage i've seen) they were just getting pissy about the police arresting them.

Ive noticed how the EDL are mainly working/lower class while the UAF are middle class/students, very interesting.
to be honest i dont think either side understands the others real motives, which is obviously whats causing all the clashes between the 2 groups.

Thats very true, i reckon they had a dispersal order to get away, from where the EDL where marching, as chances are it would have really kicked off, and there would only be a few horses and one line of coppers to act as a barrier.

And its a very true second point, personally i don't really support neither, a police officer in know says that the EDL are mostly football hooligans, and it can be seen in that video to be valid, at the same point, the white working class have been pushed aside in the last decades, and almost made out to be like circus animals in front of the media, with shows like jeremy kyle and little britain, yet they generally make the ethnic lower class member's stuggles seem geniune and honourable.

The ironic thing is that, despite the beliefs pushed by the guardian, alot of the anti immigrant jibe i hear in my city (london) is mostly from 2nd/3rd generation immigrants, i was around some black colleagues of mine, who where constantly complaining about how dirty somalians where and how much they hate them.

To do with the UAF, i can see where they are getting at to, and i guess they are doing their bit, but there is a irony here, where they call the EDL fascists yet deny them the freedom of speech. personally i believe alot of students on those marches, would be on the other side, if they came from the same background, as alot of the EDL members, as people are usually swayed by their environment.

(preparing to be flamed)

[geezer661]

[QUOTE=cpfc12;1058738071]
The ironic thing is that, despite the beliefs pushed by the guardian, alot of the anti immigrant jibe i hear in my city (london) is mostly from 2nd/3rd generation immigrants, i was around some black colleagues of mine, who where constantly complaining about how dirty somalians where and how much they hate them.

[QUOTE]

I used to go to college with an indian guy. He just use to piss and moan about his hatred for pakistanis

[nirvana]

The thing about the EDL that the left hate is that the EDL is multi -racial. And have a sign saying black and white unite.:D

The left has defended the extreme Islam for too long.This has also split the left wing. Many anachists I knew in the past were pissed at the left/islamic conection.:rolleyes:

[oioioi]

The thing about the EDL that the left hate is that the EDL is multi -racial. And have a sign saying black and white unite.:D

:rolleyes:

Proxy Muslim Feminist.

[griffinman]

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7434/article125940908cc388d0.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/i/article125940908cc388d0.jpg/)

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9961/95761764.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/95761764.jpg/)

Jesus, what a.... let me think about it....
what a mu...mu...mutant.

yep that'll do. Mutant.

[griffinman]

Just shows what the UAF is really about .They are the brown shirts of the New labour NWO.
:D

Pretty much...
http://bnp.org.uk/files/2008/12/uaf-thugs.jpg

[mynameis]

Pretty much...
http://bnp.org.uk/files/2008/12/uaf-thugs.jpg

Meanwhile, those who have a longer memory. Not fooled and not cute of them.

Nazi Hooligans in the BNP
Nazi Hooligans in the BNP - YouTube

EDL vs Anti-Fascists in Manchester
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Self-proclaimed football hooligans of the EDL take a break from attacking the police at football matches to face overwhelming opposition from Anti-Fascists in Manchester. Reports estimate 500 EDL turned up and were opposed by 1,500 Anti-Fascists...

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1166779_protests_could_cost_city_800000

If anyone believes the EDL give a damn about Manchester, EDL founder Jeff Marsh is a convicted football hooligan who was jailed for stabbing 2 Manchester United fans...

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

If the EDL hooligans really care so much about British people being threatened by Islamic extremism, why did the EDL wait until 8 years after 9/11 and 4 years after 7/7, to cause trouble while the BNP just happened to be running the biggest PR campaign in the history of British Fascism?

See images of EDL supporters making Nazi salutes in these 4 videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW5UXSCrAdc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9cOZ238-hk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mdwkJhGBBM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktjgruyxrhk

EDL is a BNP front?
EDL is a BNP front? - YouTube

UAF Leader Weyman Bennett In Hanley Stoke-on-Trent To Counter Demo Against The EDL 23/01/2010
UAF Leader Weyman Bennett In Hanley Stoke-on-Trent To Counter Demo Against The EDL 23/01/2010 - YouTube

[griffinman]

http://justintallis.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/jt9h0051.jpg

http://www.rapar.org.uk/images/edl.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QfVWU-2pVL4/Sqq85k0hwRI/AAAAAAAAIOM/unUSFG2tWp8/s1600/Police%2Bprotestors%2Boutside%2BHarrow%2Bmosque%2B September%2B11,%2B2009%2BLondon,%2BEngland%2BAnti-facist%2Bdemonstators%2Band%2Blocal%2Bmuslim%2Byou ths%2Bgathered%2Bcounter%2Bthreatened%2Bmarch%2Bby %2Bright%2Bwing%2Bgroups.jpg

[griffinman]

Isn't this the same rag that supported the Iraq invasion?
So the EDL carry Israeli flags, have police support and are covered favourably by the Daily Mail and somehow they are not fascists?

Did I miss something?

yep, the dailymail is actually against the war in Iraq.

So the Iraq War, which began in spin and lies, will end the same way. What an insult to democracy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1193289/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-So-Iraq-War-began-spin-lies-end-way-What-insult-democracy.html

er isn't the dailymail always incorrect? duh think I will support the war then..:rolleyes:

[soleil]

The left has defended the extreme Islam for too long.This has also split the left wing. Many anachists I knew in the past were pissed at the left/islamic conection.:rolleyes:

They seem to have a weird Romulus/ Remus relationship at the minute. My bet is that the Islamists are Romulus and the middle class UAF will go the way of Remus.

[bendoon]

Y
The EDL, who are after all a hard-right wing organisation

I think you've been reading the Sun haven't you Mikey, you naughty boy.

Please explain in grown up English what makes the EDL hard-right wing.

[picha]

It doesn't seem to enter in to the UAF's thick heads that it does not get any more fascist than Islam.

[nirvana]

Meanwhile, those who have a longer memory. Not fooled and not cute of them.

Nazi Hooligans in the BNP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW_DlW5j6U4

EDL vs Anti-Fascists in Manchester
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a-qyxe0Tro

Self-proclaimed football hooligans of the EDL take a break from attacking the police at football matches to face overwhelming opposition from Anti-Fascists in Manchester. Reports estimate 500 EDL turned up and were opposed by 1,500 Anti-Fascists...

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1166779_protests_could_cost_city_800000

If anyone believes the EDL give a damn about Manchester, EDL founder Jeff Marsh is a convicted football hooligan who was jailed for stabbing 2 Manchester United fans...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enigQgv0gJ8

If the EDL hooligans really care so much about British people being threatened by Islamic extremism, why did the EDL wait until 8 years after 9/11 and 4 years after 7/7, to cause trouble while the BNP just happened to be running the biggest PR campaign in the history of British Fascism?

See images of EDL supporters making Nazi salutes in these 4 videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW5UXSCrAdc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9cOZ238-hk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mdwkJhGBBM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktjgruyxrhk

EDL is a BNP front?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eeE9tJkdgg

UAF Leader Weyman Bennett In Hanley Stoke-on-Trent To Counter Demo Against The EDL 23/01/2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNS2hvTPhdI


And if the left wing would of cared for the british public they would of confroted Extremist Islam.:rolleyes:

Instead of using extrem Islam to build up there ranks:rolleyes:

[nirvana]

I think you've been reading the Sun haven't you Mikey, you naughty boy.

Please explain in grown up English what makes the EDL hard-right wing.


Because they are they are putting down extrem Islam:rolleyes:

[nirvana]

It doesn't seem to enter in to the UAF's thick heads that it does not get any more fascist than Islam.


The problem is Islam has now given the left alot of foot soldiers etc.

The left is dividing all over the place.

At the anti war march in london when Peter tachell was abused by the Islamics for standing up for his rights. The Muslims called him a faggot and told him to go to hell. This was because al mujaharoun had plac-cards which read being gay is an abomination etc.

The only lefties that came to his defence were the anachists AF and some of the class war contingent.

The SWP blamed peter tachell for the incident for opening his mouth.

The left wing is getting very confused at the moment and losing alot of support due to the Islamic conection .

At one level the left would stand up for peter tachells rights and on the other level are scared of up setting the Islamic conection they have.:D

[mikey mikey]

Er what happened to that LW/RW paradigm being an illusion?

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109070

UAF officially endorsed by Lib/Labour/Torys
and
The UAF is officially endorsed by the leader of the Conservative Party, David Cameron; Labour MP and long-time violent street activist Labour MP Peter Hain; Keith Vaz MP (head of the Labour Party’s “Black Socialist Society”); expenses swindler Harry Cohen MP; and Lib Dem MEP Chris Davies, amongst many other MPs from all three parliamentary parties.

All of these politicians are formally signed-up supporters of the UAF and their names appear prominently on that organisation’s founding charter.

The UAF is also formally endorsed by Unite and most other trade unions; David Seymour (political editor of the Daily Mirror); Mark Seddon (Tribune editor); Afzal Khan, (North West representative, Muslim Council of Britain); Dr Siddiqui (Muslim Parliament), John Haylett (editor of the Communist Party’s Morning Star newspaper), and Leroy Logan chair of the “Metrpolitan [sic] Black Police Association.”

[mikey mikey]

[QUOTE=eternal_spirit;1058739272]http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109070

UAF officially endorsed by Lib/Labour/[B]Torys

Tories.

And therefore the UAF is not "left"

[eternal_spirit]

The problem is Islam has now given the left alot of foot soldiers etc.


Th silly lefties don't realise they are being used by the Muslims.

The Muslim Labour MP Shalid something? is on video saying how one day their would be a Muslim PM, and parliament.

The Muslim Council of Britain and the other many orgs/groups/preachers etc - I'm sure their aim is a religious mandate of eventual Islamic domination, or at least try their best to make it happen.

I've read so much all over the place various Muslims stating this (just look in the Koran and Dar al Islam and Dar al Harb for more proof - and the many forms of Jihad - political, financial, business, porperties, Sharia banks, Sharia law courts - breeding etc.

Hell the top English football teams are owned and run by Arabs.

[mikey mikey]

Fundamentalist Islam is an anathema to those who you would call liberal or left.

[griffinman]

Fundamentalist Islam is an anathema to those who you would call liberal or left.

Big fonts? gotta be true...?

[the moral man]

scores of people were arrested during violent clashes between right-wing and anti-fascist protesters and police as a demonstration brought a town centre to a standstill today.

But police said rival protesters from Unite Against Fascism (UAF), who organised a counter-demonstration, were responsible for most of the violence.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259409/Police-attack-right-wing-group-anti-fascists-clash-violent-street-protests.html#ixzz0inCvhUm1



Once again, the UAF show reveal themselves, using intimidation & violence, trying to deny free speech.

When will people realize, the whole EDL etc "Thing" is more than just a few "Racist thugs" as many would like to label it, its normal everyday people, who are fed up having another culture rammed down their throat, and being told to accept it.

the elected government have made a mockery out of the voting public from day 1, EDL have a right to march, to make known to "Our" government, that a section of the UK population have had enough

Dear mr fiddler
kind regards
It is not surprising that the UAF cause the violence sometimes in these demos, they have a long history of doing it.
I have stated my views on the UAF before and here is the thread for your reference.
1. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104334
The bottom line is that the UAF are Far Left wingers and such people are Revolutionaries.
Revolutions are violent and Revolutionaries know what they must do to bring their desire into being.
It is not that the Far Right are any better, but at least they get criticised for their wrong doings.
yours thankfully
John

[mikey mikey]

it just seems obvious


Hardly a valid argument that is it?

I objected to hard right because within the MSM paradigm it is associated with fascism, .......The opposition throwing accusations of "left wing" or socialist tends to apply

The upshot seems to be that accusations of RW are invalid because the RW/LW is an illusion but accusations of being LW apply because..er... you feel that way.

Would you say I am left wing?

Would you say you are right wing?

[geezer661]

Hardly a valid argument that is it?



The upshot seems to be that accusations of RW are invalid because the RW/LW is an illusion but accusations of being LW apply because..er... you feel that way.

Would you say I am left wing?

Would you say you are right wing?

Just a left wing race violence instigator

[mikey mikey]

Just a left wing race violence instigator

Exactly where have I instigated violence of any kind, race violence or any kind of violence?

please quote

Or is the violence just your emotional reaction to what I post?

If so, that is tough for you because I am far far away from you so you won't get to carry out your violent instinct.

Nor will you stop my posts.

:p

I suggest you avoid reading me. It could raise your blood pressure.:rolleyes:

[geezer661]

Exactly where have I instigated violence of any kind, race violence or any kind of violence?

please quote

Or is the violence just your emotional reaction to what I post?

If so, that is tough for you because I am far far away from you so you won't get to carry out your violent instinct.

Nor will you stop my posts.

:p

I suggest you avoid reading me. It could raise your blood pressure.:rolleyes:

my only thoughts when Reading yr threads are of disbelief at the stupidity of them. Are you a neo Nazi? :-0 utter brilliance

[rydeon]

my only thoughts when Reading yr threads are of disbelief at the stupidity of them. Are you a neo Nazi? :-0 utter brilliance

Just stick the fool on ignore, that'll shut him up soon enough :)

[mikey mikey]

my only thoughts when Reading yr threads are of disbelief at the stupidity of them. Are you a neo Nazi? :-0 utter brilliance

So exactly WHERE did I instigate race violence?

Oh that is right. I didn't. And you lied.

[geezer661]

Yr threads sole purpose is to cause racial divide and to instigate violence now trot off back to yr mi5 headqauters
there's a good boy

[oioioi]

Yr threads sole purpose is to cause racial divide and to instigate violence now trot off back to yr mi5 headqauters
there's a good boy

And you're here to promote racial harmony aren't you?
:rolleyes:

[geezer661]

And you're here to promote racial harmony aren't you?
:rolleyes:

Yes unlike your middle class right on UAF nonsense

[oioioi]

Yes unlike your middle class right on UAF nonsense

Still sticking with the middle class 'slur'?

Keep making fools of yourselves, I'm sure you are recruiting lots of new voters for the cause with your concise yet cutting arguements :rolleyes:

[jesuitsdidit]

looks like i missed alot the last 24 hrs..
catch-up time..

[mikey mikey]

Yr threads sole purpose is to cause racial divide and to instigate violence now trot off back to yr mi5 headqauters
there's a good boy

Back on the meds for you then.

How often do you get visits when you are in care?

Do they let you visit your kids now and again?

[geezer661]

Back on the meds for you then.

How often do you get visits when you are in care?

Do they let you visit your kids now and again?

Ok wht ever you say officer

your mother visits me daily

no yr mother has cut off contact

[mikey mikey]

your mother visits me daily


Looks like you are getting really worked up about all this. *chuckle*

I'll pass the mother comments on to me mam. I am sure she'll be amused.

So just how long were you inside and how much alimoney are you having to pay?

It must sting, I suppose.

Was it for domestic violence?

[geezer661]

Looks like you are getting really worked up about all this. *chuckle*

I'll pass the mother comments on to me mam. I am sure she'll be amused.

So just how long were you inside and how much alimoney are you having to pay?

It must sting, I suppose.

Was it for domestic violence?

Yea seriously wound up :rolleyes:

I told them tht lizards run the world

[hadabusa]

What an animal, she probably considers herself an intellectual,passionate, Anarchist,or something, no doubt she's high on dope, and had a few cans of super tenants.

Hopefully she was held in custody, and missed her "signing-on" day

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7434/article125940908cc388d0.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/i/article125940908cc388d0.jpg/)

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9961/95761764.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/95761764.jpg/)

om my.
her head is as huge as a roman army cavallery horses.

i first tought its that kelly family guy:eek::eek:

[hadabusa]

considering we are all ment to be enlightened and more educated than the unfortunate sheep, i think we should establish the fundamental basics.
because a group of individuals feel second class citizens in their own country and wish to protest does not make them fascists.
because the other group are politically ignorant and hate free speech does not make them fascists.
the reason the country is in the shit is due to the fact that people are quick to jump on a slur without actually understanding what it means, this effect has destroyed the word " fascism " and "racism " they can no longer be used credibly with out the true meaning and gravity been understood.
the uaf is a complete joke, they are no more than rent a thug. Divide and conquer in motion, but do we recognise it ?

more enlightenened perhaps.

more educated?
im not so sure.
i mean, look at purplerain...

[astrocreep]

What an animal, she probably considers herself an intellectual,passionate, Anarchist,or something, no doubt she's high on dope, and had a few cans of super tenants.

Hopefully she was held in custody, and missed her "signing-on" day

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7434/article125940908cc388d0.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/i/article125940908cc388d0.jpg/)

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9961/95761764.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/i/95761764.jpg/)

Basing your whole opinion and creating an entire "description" of her life and personality based on 2 pictures of her pulling a face during a struggle is rather idiotic i must say.

[geezer661]

Basing your whole opinion and creating an entire "description" of her life and personality based on 2 pictures of her pulling a face during a struggle is rather idiotic i must say.

well I know she doesnt wash her hair, She dresses in the dark and shes got a massive forehead thts similar to frankensteins monster

[hadabusa]

No it is comments like the one below that keep Nazism alive.



It is just such "impregnable" racial, political and religious exclusion that harkens back to Nazism.

theresa a flaw in the foreskin argumentation , thats right.

example, i got no foreskin , but not bc of religion , because of being too meaty.

:cool:

[mynameis]

And if the left wing would of cared for the british public they would of confroted Extremist Islam.:rolleyes:

Instead of using extrem Islam to build up there ranks:rolleyes:

I'd agree with that if they had never cracked down on EDL/BNP hooligans. As you don't show, there never was a crack down on the hate groups that's why the sycophants have morphed into wolves in knickers among the middle class.

[jakemaverick]

bollox. it's the freaking poo lice employees that cause the violence, instigate the violence, commit the 'violence'....'cept it's called 'using the force' when those yobs do it.....

[cpfc12]

bollox. it's the freaking poo lice employees that cause the violence, instigate the violence, commit the 'violence'....'cept it's called 'using the force' when those yobs do it.....

How original :rolleyes:

[freedom1st]

well I know she doesnt wash her hair, She dresses in the dark and shes got a massive forehead thts similar to frankensteins monster

Well aren't you picky!:D

[bendoon]

The Bourgeoise will be in for a big shock when Sharia Law is imposed on them.

[mikey mikey]

The Bourgeoise will be in for a big shock when Sharia Law is imposed on them.

Unfortunately for you and Imam Hook the British people want neither Sharia Law nor the thuggery that is the EDL.

Has anybody else noticed that the langauge of the EDL support has changed?

From "We are defending middle class Britain against Sharia Law and extemist muslims"

to "These extremist muslims and their Sharia Law wouldn't have happened if they middle class Britain had done something about it, they are to blame."

From "Middle England" to "Bourgeoise".

Like the MOD, the EDL is NOTHING about "defence".

[bradstone]

Unfortunately for you and Imam Hook the British people want neither Sharia Law nor the thuggery that is the EDL.


So what's your solution?

Not being funny, just curious as to what you propose.

[mikey mikey]

So what's your solution?

Not being funny, just curious as to what you propose.

You know what comes before and after solution don't you?:rolleyes:

Define the former and prove it exists and perhaps I can offer the latter.

But first I have to be convinced that the former is genuine.

[oioioi]

So what's your solution?

Not being funny, just curious as to what you propose.

Solution to a perceived threat?

Open your eyes perhaps?

Or are you more a 'pre-emptive strike' kinda guy?

[bendoon]

So what's your solution?

.

Mikeys solution is to do nothing and let Europe become an Islamic Caliphate. He doesn't care because he has bailed out already and is tucked safely away in Japan.