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dracula
02-10-2007, 05:43 AM
What do you ppl think of this

Gemwolf said

In order to comply with the new, more strict rules of using external material in a post, I had to recreate the thread. Thanks TC for "showing me the errors of my ways".

In short
There is an "disturbing" rumour doing its rounds in South Africa, that the day that ex-president Nelson Mandela dies, the black people of South Africa will unite and "clean" South Africa of white people by murdering them all.

Introduction:
I would like to share something that I call an urban legend with ATS members, and hear some opinions. I’ve been trying my best to stop the spreading of this rumour, circulating via email, but fear is stronger than reason.

According to the conspiracy Nelson Mandela is all that stands in the way of all Sout African white people being murdered.

A bit of background:
I’m sure everyone is aware of South Africa’s political background, and more specific Apartheid. For years, up until the early 90’s black people (and other people of color) had no rights in the country. I’m myself white, but grew up in the changing South Africa (I was 12 when the black ANC government took over) so I’m used to equal rights to all and being “colorblind”. But the older generation (I’d say people 50 years and older) are still stuck with the notion that white people are better than black people, with cans full of worms ideas about people of color.

To understand the reason for the black vs. white hate, we need to go back over three hundred years when white Europeans first arrived in South Africa. A Dutch man, Jan van Riebeeck set up the first trading post in 1652 (for the Dutch East Indian Company) in the western Cape, and it was only years later before the Europeans started exploring inland. And since the first day they landed in Southern Africa the Europeans were met by fierce black warriors. And it has been black against white ever since. Blacks fighting for the land that was right-fully theirs, and whites to expand the Dutch colonies (and later the British wanted a piece of this pie). A new Dutch culture was formed, known as the “Afrikaner Volk”, also known as the Voortrekkers. These were the people who fought for the country to be theirs. They fought the Zulu warriors, Xhosa warriors and later the soldiers fighting for the British crown. In the end, they finally won a long battle, to get independence from Britain in 1961.

The Afrikaners (known as “Boere” today) were deep religious people, caring for their own kind, willing to die for what they believed in. They had their own new language, their own culture and finally their own country. They built up South Africa to the country the world came to know in the late 1980’s. Then the country they built was taken from them and given back to the black people they originally took it from, by FW de Klerk (the last white president). Now, more than 15 years after the first changes, the Afrikaner culture is nearly non-existent. They accepted their fellow South African, and white and black lives happily, side by side.

Or so it would seem. Many blacks hate white people with pure passion. And there’s a handful of white people (still clinging to the old Afrikaner culture) that want South Africa back in the hands of white people. They fought for it for nearly 400 years after all…

One of these extremist white groups call themselves “Dogter van Sion” – translated “Daughter of Sion”. They believe themselves to be directly related to the original Israeli Jews, i.e. they see themselves as “the chosen nation of God”. They have some ridiculous “proof” tracing their bloodlines from South Africa back to Europe and then back to Israel. And South Africa is their “promised land”. And according to them, God will deliver the country back to them. But only after a serious struggle.

You can visit their site at www.siener.co.za although I’m afraid most of it is in Afrikaans (and some Dutch) although there are some English articles, which should give you an idea about the way they think. (Please feel free to ask me if there is something specific you’d like translated…)

The Conspiracy
Ok, so this brings me to the conspiracy theory. They call it Uhuru – A Xhosa word that roughly translates into “Night of the Long Knives” according to them. According to me it comes from the Swahili word for “Freedom”. These are some extractions from the email (which can also be found on their site) that were translated…

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Uhuru (also known as Operation Vula/Operation White Clean-up/Operation Iron Eagle/Red October campaign) is something that touches every Afrikaner

Afrikaner is someone that is white, speaks Afrikaans and of Dutch descent

and is very real. As soon as Nelson Mandela dies, 70,000 blacks will stream to Johannesburg to kill all whites, men, women and children before foot with knives and guns, while they

the white people

are sleeping. They will then go from Johannesburg to Pretoria to continue the killing spree. Similar attacks will be collaborated all over the country.

In 1990 Nelson Mandela visited Russia. The Kremlin gave him a fully worked out plan, which would only be set into motion when he was no longer there.

I could not find any records that Nelson Mandela visited Russia in 1990. Mandela was released from prison in February 1990, and went abroad for the first time (after his release) in July 1990 when he visited the US.


The Plan is known by different names in different provinces - OPERATION WHITE CLEAN-UP, OPERATION UHURU, NIGHT OF THE LONG KNIVES, OPERATION IRON EAGLE, and a couple of others. The Plan centred around foreign blacks from Africa, who De Klerk had thrown open the portals to the New South Africa to, who must settle in out towns and villages.

There are many illegal immigrants from many neighbouring countries. FW de Klerk – the previous president that released Nelson Mandela - has nothing to with this for obvious reasons.


This would enable them to orchestrate Operation White Clean-up countrywide, with hardly any resistance. They just had to wait for the sign. And what was the sign? By 1997 almost every black in the country knew that the death of their beloved Madiba

An honorary title adopted by elders of Mandela's clan. The title has come to be synonymous with Nelson Mandela


would be the trigger.

On their Siener-tour

Siener is the “theme” of the Daughter of Sion group. It has its origin from a famous Afrikaner prophet called Siener van Rensburg that predicted the rise and fall and rise of whites in South Africa. Siener translates to “Prophet”.

through the land in 2001, the writers Adriaan Snyman and Chris Botha

These are the main players in the Daughter of Sion group. They act as religious leaders or preachers to spread their message through the word of God

, came upon and could confirm at least six places from where the blacks would stage their night-attack on Johannesburg on the day of Mandela's funeral. Eminent scholars from the universities already have knowledge of these plans.

No names, or sources are ever named.



Dozens of country villages are also already targeted, and the attack (with the codename Operation Iron Eagle) will be under the control of the Army. It seems that many extremist blacks are already getting impatient because Mandela won't lay his head down, because a while ago a faction in Johannesburg were on the brink of launching an attack against the whites, and had to be stopped in a rush.

No record of this event.

The only way to stop them was to call in the help of the taxi-drivers -- these then painted the following message on the backs of their taxi's WAIT! NOT YET UHURU! It is estimated that minibus taxis could transport 70,000 armed blacks from the townships to mid-town Johannesburg within an hour.

Minibus taxis are the main form of transport for rural black people. There are thousands of these taxis on the roads. I have never seen any such messages on the back of any taxis.
And 70,00 people? Such an "exact" number? No more, no less?


Large amounts of AK-47's, ammunition, hand grenades, and even incendiary devices are carried secretly by night in trucks to arms dumps in KwaNonqba by Mosselbay, and other black townships countrywide.

Again no proof of this is given. It does not make sense to collect all the weapons in Mosselbay, as Mosselbay is down in the Cape Province more than a thousand kilometres from Johannesburg. It is not mentioned where the weapons come from and how it is paid for.

This is also happening in smaller towns in all the nine provinces. When a white policeman from the Boland

a region in the Northern Cape

recently confronted a black colleague about this, telling him he was aware of 'Operation White Cleanup, the black laughingly replied: "We don't care that you know. On the contrary, we don't care if all whites know about this, because you'll do nothing to stop it." The white policeman couldn't answer the black - knowing with dismay that it was the truth. Blacks are working with Americans and British

Here it is first mentioned how the super power countries are involved in this.

liberals behind the scenes on Operation Uhuru and Operation Iron Eagle and will use Mandela's death to sow anarchy.

Again no names are given. Anonymous rumours.


A senior ANC consultant, Mzukizi Gaba, told a police officer who arrested him for driving on the wrong side of the N1 in the Cape: "The day Mandela dies, we will kill you whites like flies!"
This report appeared in the Cape Argus in 1996. Murders of whites, especially Afrikaners, have already begun. The official HNP newspaper of the Herstigte Nasionale Party mentioned in an article: "Farm murders taking their toll among Afrikaners." In the period between 1991 - 2002, a total of 1287 farmers have been murdered during attacks on farms. More whites have died violently than during the duration of the 'bush war. The "war of the flea" is being waged against whites, in other words, an undeclared war.

This has some truth in it. White farmers are often killed by black attackers. These killings have declined since the late 90’s. It’s unknown whether these murders were politically fuelled or just crimes for money and land.


At present Mandela is being treated for prostrate cancer and is now living on borrowed time.

Mandela was diagnosed with cancer in July 2001. He is doing well, and as far as sources go the treatment was successful. He is in goo health.

At present there is also the so-called 'New Firearms Act that will be enforced on whites to disarm them to facilitate Operation White Cleanup, making it difficult for whites to defend themselves.

A new Firearm act makes it extremely difficult to legally own a gun, and a person is limited to one firearm per person – with a few exceptions like collectors and hunters. You also need to do a psychological evalution and do a shooting course.


We have bigger problems than we - or the outside world - realise...


Other versions of the mail are much longer. They go further by explaining how the New World Order is being implemented and uses examples such as the “new” Euro monetary unit to support its claims.
These are some more extracts I translated from Afrikaans from the site (and are not direct quotes):

There are no longer cultures true to any nation. Everyone knows McDonalds, everyone drinks Coca Cola and everyone watches TV. The world is actually busy becoming one big English/American state. The media teaches us to make fun of our own cultures and to follow worldly fashions. In South Africa the Afrikaner is made fun of by the younger generation. In America typical patriots are called “Red Necks” and are also made fun of. And it’s like this all over the world.

South Africa was throughout the years a religious, loyal and patriotic country. This was a problem for the New World Order to get South Africa to join the global village. South Africans wouldn’t fall for it…

Another reason is that South Africa is rich in resources. Britain, Russia and America all want a part of the riches and to get to it, they’ll have to take over the country.

The plan is to create chaos. That would be the ANC’s job.
The ANC is the current ruling political party.
As soon as the country’s government, economy and security are “destroyed”, the UN will take over and will create an interim government through which the NWO will take over.
In the end it’s all about money and racial hate towards white South Africans. Our God gave us this beautiful country, and the rest of the world doesn’t like the idea [are jealous]. Blacks are being brainwashed to hate and kill and do the work of the World Power. Just look at Mandela who blames Apartheid for the suffering of his people. On TV everything is about all the horrible events that supposedly happened during the Apartheid’s years, and daily it’s shown that South Africa is a country of peace and democracy for the past 10 years.
I have no idea what the point was behind this paragraph.

We’ve got information from a hardware store in Northern Pretoria (name known to us) that in the past month
I don’t know the precise date, it just says in the past month
38,000 machetes (long knifes) were sold to blacks. Some come in and buy 20 at a time. The same happened in the 60’s in Kenya and the Congo. The blacks are getting instructions from their ancestors to ready themselves. In our parts we often hear the African drums at night.
According to my knowledge the writer of the article lives on the outskirts of Pretoria. Sotho and Xhosa tribes – although real tribes no longer exist - inhabit these parts. The truth is Zulu warriors generally used “African drums” as communication. I haven’t seen or a heard an “African Drum” for ages. The only place you’ll find them being played are at tourist attractions for obvious reasons.

At this stage some parts from the Song of Solomon (7:12) and Isaiah (18:5-6; 27:12) and are quoted completely out of context and supposedly directly translated from Hebrew. The great Afrikaner prophet “Siener van Rensburg” and another prophetess Johanna Brandt is further quoted with some of their visions supposedly also predicting this attack on whites. The truth is that most of their predictions, especially Siener van Rensburg’s predictions are much like Nostradamus’ predictions. Open to interpretation. For example he describes corncobs burning outside Johannesburg. This is interpreted as buildings being burned in Johannesburg.

In Conclusion
And that’s about it. Some of it might be lost in translation.
Similar fears spread through the country just before the 1994 elections. There were talks of war. (White) People gathered emergency supplies and stocked up on ammunition. Those who could afford it fled the country. (Which explains the many South Africans in Australia, New Zeeland, Canada, London and the US.) Nothing came of it.

But how real is the threat? It’s no secret that many blacks hate white people. And they would love to kick white people out of South Africa, or even kill them all if they had the chance. I would say the majority of this group is generally male and aged between 16 and 30. While the opposite is also true. There is a group of white people that would love to see the country back in “white power”. This group is also male and generally aged 40 to 70.

Since the big changes in South Africa (i.e. democracy) the latter group – white right-wingers – have tried on several occasions to overthrow the government, and failed miserably. Their previous plans included bombing of strategic places (which failed – little damage was ever done) and the murdering of prominent political leaders – especially targeting communist supporters. But they could (and still can’t) never get a foothold. They are ridiculously outnumbered and have little to no resources.

And this is, in my opinion, where Uhuru comes in. This is their new strategy. To get white people to unite against blacks. They give no clear way of how to prevent all of this to happen. And I guess that’s where the Daughter of Sion comes in. Scared people looking for help and answers – the church: Daughter of Sion ready to gather a flock and provide the “necessary answers”. Propaganda. A conspiracy to divide a united country.

But it’s not all that impossible. Take a quick glance at Zimbabwe. It was decolonised recently. White people physically chased from their land. While the rest of the world turned a blind eye. Britain sent troops to Iraq, and forgot about their ancestors and settlers in Zimbabwe. I guess Blair wouldn’t gain any political ground by helping out the Zimbabwean?
In South Africa white people are more or less outnumbered four to one by black people. The new weapons legislation are disarming them (while extremists will keep their firearms illegally.) If it should happen, the white folks wouldn’t just sit back and wait to be slaughtered. They will not be going down without a fight. A full fletched civil war. Or rather racial war. The rest of the world will again just look the other way, not knowing how to approach a very difficult political situation.

It’s no secret (maybe it is to the outside world) that the racial political situation in South Africa isn’t exactly stable.

But all that said, I think Uhuru – the great White Slaughter – is nothing but white extremist propaganda. A conspiracy that is far from unlikely, but so close to impossible.

For those who bothered to read through all of this, thanks. I would love to hear your thoughts and opinions on all of this. You might feel that this does not concern you, but according to the conspiracy, the USA, Britain and the UK will have a strong involvement in the whole "cleansing process", in order to finally achieve the goals of the New World Order.

nikolaijovanovic
02-10-2007, 10:32 PM
Sorry I can't be more constructive on this, but this appears to be utter testicles.

There will always be division and violence, it comes of economic inequality, not a conspiracy.

hagbard_celine
03-10-2007, 06:04 PM
Sorry I can't be more constructive on this, but this appears to be utter testicles.

There will always be division and violence, it comes of economic inequality, not a conspiracy.


Yes, but could the former be a product of the latter? If so then why should there always be division and violence?

resistance
03-10-2007, 10:34 PM
Yes, but could the former be a product of the latter? If so then why should there always be division and violence?

Quite, i agree, also i have spoke tu several white south Africans that have left the country in recent years and clearly something is very wrong. A civil war would certainly not be too much of a surprise and as yu know the only winners will be the global elites.

nikolaijovanovic
04-10-2007, 11:19 PM
Quite, i agree, also i have spoke tu several white south Africans that have left the country in recent years and clearly something is very wrong. A civil war would certainly not be too much of a surprise and as yu know the only winners will be the global elites.

Have you ever thought about how hundreds of years of oppression might get people a litte pissed? I am fairly sure that the aims of the power elite wou;d change with time, and not be able to predict the apartied laws of 1948, or indeed the freedom of 1992.

nikolaijovanovic
04-10-2007, 11:21 PM
Yes, but could the former be a product of the latter? If so then why should there always be division and violence?

Because it is human nature. We are competitive. It is what evolution is all about.

dracula
05-10-2007, 05:56 AM
Have you ever heard of the South African Institute of International Affairs? They have been running South Africa for nearly 100 years.(Most of them is all white so this is another point that counts against the uhuru story, but i can be wrong)

During the first two thirds of the nineteenth century the interest of European states in overseas expansion reached its lowest point in several centuries. This period of relative disinterest did not last out the century. Suddenly, and almost simultaneously, between 1870 and 1900, the sates of Europe began to extend their control over vast areas of the world. Historians have generally agreed that the late nineteenth-century European expansion was one of the great events of world history.

Conspicuously absent from the history books is mention of a small secret society of men who played a significant role in the sponsorship of the historical events. The secret society would conquer South Africa. They would use the money they plundered and techniques and methods learned to grow into a world-wide organization that continues to shape world history to this day. Between 1910-1915(I also dont belive this dates is right) the Secret Society evolved into an international group of co-conspirators called Round Table Groups set up in seven nations: Britain, South Africa, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, India, and the United States.:confused::confused::confused:

seamus
05-10-2007, 07:48 AM
Because it is human nature. We are competitive. It is what evolution is all about.You speak as a fool who understands nothing. Human nature and evolution are diametrically opposed, unfortunately for you. You must be a Bolshevik, with that flag. Fake communism, the straw man that made a bad name for real communism. State-owned capitalism (sans middle-class of course)

If you read Douglas Reed's "The Siege on Southern Africa" you will realize that Communists (Bolshevik Jews) and Jesuits were behind the bloodbaths that began to characterize that area in the middle of the last century. And they are still instigating. The ANC merged with the Communist/Bolshevik party without so much as a whimper, and you point at economic inequality? The world bank, owned by the buddies of the Bolsheviks, is behind all this inequality!

Meh, I'm done.

s

resistance
05-10-2007, 09:20 AM
Have you ever thought about how hundreds of years of oppression might get people a litte pissed? I am fairly sure that the aims of the power elite wou;d change with time, and not be able to predict the apartied laws of 1948, or indeed the freedom of 1992.

May i suggest that yu start doing a little more homework, yu are clearly not very well informed, but by all means if yu want to put your trust into official history accounts then carry on as yu please.

nikolaijovanovic
05-10-2007, 11:07 PM
You speak as a fool who understands nothing. Human nature and evolution are diametrically opposed, unfortunately for you. You must be a Bolshevik, with that flag. Fake communism, the straw man that made a bad name for real communism. State-owned capitalism (sans middle-class of course)

If you read Douglas Reed's "The Siege on Southern Africa" you will realize that Communists (Bolshevik Jews) and Jesuits were behind the bloodbaths that began to characterize that area in the middle of the last century. And they are still instigating. The ANC merged with the Communist/Bolshevik party without so much as a whimper, and you point at economic inequality? The world bank, owned by the buddies of the Bolsheviks, is behind all this inequality!

Meh, I'm done.

s


Thank you for your constructive feedback:rolleyes:

So it is all the fault of the jews? Got it now. Well done.

nikolaijovanovic
05-10-2007, 11:09 PM
May i suggest that yu start doing a little more homework, yu are clearly not very well informed, but by all means if yu want to put your trust into official history accounts then carry on as yu please.

Oh dear. Try 'how europe underdeveloped africa' - Walter Rodney.

dracula
06-10-2007, 06:43 PM
So do u people think that something is going to happen with the white people in south africa or not?:rolleyes:

Thanx for the comments:cool:

resistance
07-10-2007, 02:10 PM
Hi, hard tu say really? there no doubt is people that would like tu see this happen though, from both sides. Yu may find that if civil war did develop in south Africa then it will not necessarily be all the black south Africans that take the same side.

seamus
07-10-2007, 05:22 PM
Thank you for your constructive feedback:rolleyes:

So it is all the fault of the jews? Got it now. Well done.
It's mostly the Jewish Supremacists who are at fault, but you clearly missed the bit about the Jesuits (who are simply a front group for a greater evil). To roll your eyes at my suggestion that you read Douglas Reed is a blatant display of your ignorance. Your proud display of the Bolshevik/fake communist flag ought to be a tip-off for the folks here who are really interested in the truth. The KGB/Mossad/CIA would be proud!

s

jrh2697
24-10-2007, 11:51 AM
In short There is an "disturbing" rumour doing its rounds in South Africa, that the day that ex-president Nelson Mandela dies, the black people of South Africa will unite and "clean" South Africa of white people by murdering them all.
Well i have one thing to say what are the Sth African sporting stars eg springboks, proteas, doing to help their fellow country men with their millions nothing except living it up and hiding in their gated mansions while the whole shit hole that is sth africa falls to dust around them.

nikolaijovanovic
02-11-2007, 11:47 PM
It's mostly the Jewish Supremacists who are at fault, but you clearly missed the bit about the Jesuits (who are simply a front group for a greater evil). To roll your eyes at my suggestion that you read Douglas Reed is a blatant display of your ignorance. Your proud display of the Bolshevik/fake communist flag ought to be a tip-off for the folks here who are really interested in the truth. The KGB/Mossad/CIA would be proud!

s

Nowt wrong with the Bolsheviks. The Proletariat have nothing to lose but their chains. But you would know that, having fought the British for freedom.

Don't think the KGB were too impressed with the CIA TBH. Unless of course they were working for the same paymasters to do, erm, something nefarious.

*Speaks to self* "What though? Enslavement. Yes that's it. Now who would stand to profit from that? Hmmm. Obviously someone with immense power. Who wants more power? Hmmm. I know, the Salvation Army. Yes, that must be it. It must be a front organisation for the Venusians. Right, what is Erich Von Dannikens agents number? I'm sure it was filed next to JFK, Diana, Faces on Mars and France's failure in world cup 2002."

Does everything have to be a conspiracy for you?

How about each nation has National interests. Sometimes these clash with other Nations National interests. Therefore unpleasant things happen due to National interests. And sometimes these national interests cross borders, so you get power blocks. And sometimes economics dominates national interests so that unlikely allies are made and form power blocks.