Irony of the Oneness

[joss classey]

It would seem that over time the world and all of its horrifying events have been orchestrated from ONE source. The illusions of division has been there all along too. We have battles between two seemingly opposing forces who are too funded by the same to meet the agenda that was the incentive for the conflict in the first place.

I wanted however to point out the irony in how with the approach of the NWO and the breaking down of the world country specific states to that of a world one is seemingly paralleled with the new age awakening of the Oneness.

I see advertising in the media which I notice as relating to the awakening but then I suddenly realise that it is not talking about that at all. Indeed the One is the world state. Something which has nothing to do with Oneness. Just more division!

Would it be outrageous to suggest that the polar-shift has been predicted and pre-empted by dressing the wolf in disguise?

[ninja17]

the idea of the two kinds of Oneness popped in my head too,one is the Oneness we tryy to approach(positiv),the other one is the oneness "they" try to approach(negativ).It gets dangerous when most of the people decide for the wrong one that is just in their face(as you say in the media).

[carlg1212]

Would it be outrageous to suggest that the polar-shift has been predicted and pre-empted by dressing the wolf in disguise?

Well, the Mayans were superior mathematicians, and therefore were able to predict when the shift occurs.

http://www.vibration-science.com/newsletter7b.htm (great website btw...nah, not really, but some interesting points).

[mountain]

Could the New World order with the micro chip be a promotion for ONENESS in the negative as they seek to make everyone into a hive mentality like theiers?

[clipwip]

I've read several writers who say that the "New Age" movement's concept of Oneness was conceived and incubated by intelligence agencies' COINTELPRO. Certainly would explain a lot.

[king]

I've read several writers who say that the "New Age" movement's concept of Oneness was conceived and incubated by intelligence agencies' COINTELPRO. Certainly would explain a lot.

isn't this obvious by now?

[clipwip]

isn't this obvious by now?

there's a difference between what is probable and what is documented fact.

[king]

there's a difference between what is probable and what is documented fact.

ok
why don't you then do some research on what group of people started with the "oneness" mantra?
you may actually find documentation that you seem to be looking for

[clipwip]

ok
why don't you then do some research on what group of people started with the "oneness" mantra?
you may actually find documentation that you seem to be looking for

?? That wasn't my point. I'm saying that I have come across writers who claim to have documentation of this, but I have never actually looked at it, though I believe it. You were saying it was "obvious" which is really saying absolutely nothing of any substance. Your beligerant wording is perplexing.

[a fine naked fellow]

Oneness is the creator of diversity, not the mean of its destruction.

[bigus_dickus]

oneness, universe.. two names, same thing.

[carlg1212]

Could the New World order with the micro chip be a promotion for ONENESS in the negative as they seek to make everyone into a hive mentality like theiers?

Here's what Icke once said:

Karma One : What is the difference between the concept of Good, Goodness in the Matrix and Good and Goodness outside the matrix, in the Infinite, the One Universe?

David Icke : The Matrix is founded on duality and polarity – opposites, or apparent opposites. So we perceive goodness and badness, light and dark, positive and negative. In the realms of Oneness in awareness of itself everything is one. So there is no good or bad. Everything just is. There is no light or dark, only the unity of all. I call it ‘isness' and it has to be experienced to be fully understood.
http://www.karmapolis.be/pipeline/interview_icke_uk.htm

[king]

?? That wasn't my point. I'm saying that I have come across writers who claim to have documentation of this, but I have never actually looked at it, though I believe it. You were saying it was "obvious" which is really saying absolutely nothing of any substance. Your beligerant wording is perplexing.

belligerent wording?
maybe i wanted you to do your own homework instead of expecting me to give you a "proof"

but, i will try again, hopefully this will give you a clue:


Aldous Huxley gave a speech at Berkeley University to do with the wonders of drugs and electronic control of the brain through possible implants or wires in the brain.
Anything which would take away, as he said, the incredible loneliness and anxiety that everyone feels. This apartness and this is again going back to the Masonic Doctrine of ONENESS. We’re all oneness, they teach you. They themselves at the top don’t believe that they’re all one, that they tell you down below that we’re all one, that way we act is like a school of fish, you know. A school of fish that all move at the same time, in the same direction, they are in a sense one. That’s not what human beings are all about but they will have us all move in the same direction and makes it easier to control.

school of fish?

darn, could that be somehow related to a Fish God?

OANNES (God) = ONENESS for you New Agers
http://www.shikanda.net/topicalities/oannes.gif


The Ancient Mesopotamian/ Phoenician god Dagon, thought to be identical to the amphibious culture hero Oannes who (according to the book Babyloniaca of the Hellenistic historian Berossus) appeared in the Persian Gulf at the onset of (what we now call) Sumerian civilisation (c. 3,000 BCE). Oppenheimer takes him as another sign of Sunda expansion. The Assyriologist Temple (in his best-selling The Orion mystery, 1977) considered Oannes to be extraterrestrial -- the ultimate source of the apparently amazing (but most probably non-existent) astronomical knowledge which the French anthropologists Griaule and Dieterlen attributed to the Dogon of Mali, West Africa. Picture source: after: Cory, I.P., Sanchuniaton (1832). In my own, forthcoming comparative mythological analysis, Oannes is interpreted as a transformation of the Mistress of the Primal Waters who has haunted Eurasian mythologies for tens of millennia; and particularly as the most fundamental and characteristic transformation of the Primal Waters -- when their unbounded and featureless extension is focussed and concentrated in one spot that invites thought: the Fish (e.g. the fish Matshya which, as an avatar of the South Indian god Vishnu, assisted the regional flood hero Manu), the Ark, the Primal Hill, the land, the flood hero, and ultimately the Virgin Creatix's son and lover.

or

Oannes, the original "Beast from the Sea". Oannes was a half-man half-fish deity and god of the sea cognate to Ea of the Mesopotamians, Dagon of the Philistines, Neptune of the Greeks and Poseidon of the Romans. Oannes is believed to have arisen out of the sea to impart the secrets of civilization to mankind in the world after the Flood, and was most likely the father of Osiris and the next generation of Rephaim giants in the world after the Flood.



http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~catshaman/13Sumerian/Image1653.JPG
Oannes = Gemini = Hand/ Cancer/ Crab.




now, what major religion worships a fish god?


http://www.wwyd.org/images/pagan/dagon_pope%20hat_3.jpg

good luck to you and your fish god and blessed be your fish hat

ROTFL

[king]

and to add to this;

lower Masons, idiots that they are are worshiping ONENESS as well, just like New Agers. (not surprising considering on what New Age religion is based)

http://books.google.com/books?id=EjO_cdBYyXUC&pg=RA7-PA6&lpg=RA7-PA6&dq=oneness+masonic&source=web&ots=uU-ne6pDus&sig=sX6lz2im4RJt8aJ0jEG4SNqCZeo


“The true Mason is not creed bound. He realizes with the divine illumination of his lodge, that as a Mason his religion must be Universal. Christ, Buddha or Mohammed. The name means little, for he recognizes only the light and not the bearer. He worships at every shrine, bows before every altar, whether in temple, mosque, pagoda or cathedral, and realizes with his true understanding the oneness of all spiritual truths. No true Mason can be narrow for his lodge is the divine expression of all broadness”

Manley P Hall [ 33rd degree Mason] ‘Lost Keys of Freemasonry’ 64,



as we know, high degree masons like Manly P.Hall know that above paragraph is a joke, this applies only to those low degree masons who think they know, as high degree masons do not worship Christ, Buddha or Mohammed but they worship human intellect that (they think) leads those high degree Masonic initiates to apotheoses - Godhood.

so, their ultimate goal is transformation into a deity using intellect.

meanwhile New Agers and low degree masons are worshiping ONENESS or that OANNES fish god and arguing their point confusing the issue of creator/creation/intelligent force with a Masonic joke.

for more info on ONENESS go to


Cults - Oneness Pentecostalism

http://theologicalresources.wordpress.com/2007/05/03/cults-oneness-pentecostalism/

please people, can we move on to the next level, past ONENESS crap?

are you afraid to refer to that force/power with more appropriate/descriptive name as
god/creator/creation/intelligent force /divine intelligence?

or will you start referring to it as 'ISness', just because Icke suggested so?
Even he seem to have caught up on ONENESS B.S., why otherwise would he suggest a different name?

NEW Age movement is almost 100% infiltrated. something to think about.
not to even mention that ONENESS and ISNESS sounds like pure STUPIDness!

[king]

and another thing that points out that oneness = hive mind cannot escape me.

Hive mind
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hive mind can mean:


* In psychology:
o Collective consciousness
o Conformity (psychology)
o Groupthink
* Group mind (science fiction), a type of collective consciousness
* The apparent consciousness of colonies of social insects such as ants, bees and termites
* An attribute of certain fictional races:
o The Overmind, the hive mind of the fictional Zerg race in the StarCraft series of computer games
o The hive mind of the Borg race in the Star Trek TV series and movies, often personified by the Borg Queen
o The hive mind of the Tyranids from Warhammer 40,000
o The hive mind of the Buggers from Ender's Game
* Universal mind may be defined as the nonlocal and atemporal "hive mind" of all aggregates, components, constituents, relationships, personalities, entities, technologies, processes and cycles of the Universe.


and hive mind leads to conformity and groupthink



Conformity is a process by which people's beliefs or behaviors are influenced by others within a group. People can be influenced via subtle, even unconscious processes, or by direct and overt peer pressure. Conformity can have either good or bad effects on people,

Conformity is a group behavior. Numerous factors, such as group size, unanimity, cohesion, status, prior commitment and public opinion all help to determine the level of conformity an individual will reflect towards his or her group. Conformity influences the formation and maintenance of social norms.


Groupthink is a type of thought exhibited by group members who try to minimize conflict and reach consensus without critically testing, analyzing, and evaluating ideas. During Groupthink, members of the group avoid promoting viewpoints outside the comfort zone of consensus thinking. A variety of motives for this may exist such as a desire to avoid being seen as foolish, or a desire to avoid embarrassing or angering other members of the group. Groupthink may cause groups to make hasty, irrational decisions, where individual doubts are set aside, for fear of upsetting the group’s balance. The term is frequently used pejoratively, with hindsight.



now, isn't this oneness leading to hive mind that leads to
collective consciousness/group think/conformity?

if we all think the same -- how easy is to control us?

isn't this oneness/hive mind EXACTLY the objective of those "Suns of Light" (Masons) that are trying to shape the world to their own liking?

either way you go -- it goes back to that Masconic idea of oneness.

[Anders Lindman]

I wanted however to point out the irony in how with the approach of the NWO and the breaking down of the world country specific states to that of a world one is seemingly paralleled with the new age awakening of the Oneness.


NWO Oneness = One centralized point of control

New Age Oneness = No point of control

NEO = ONE = You are the one, Neo = One personal control

AQAL = Subjective individual, Objective individual, Subjective collective, Objective collective

Ken Wilber wins the debate!!! :cool:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/slark/sets/939928/

[clipwip]

belligerent wording?
maybe i wanted you to do your own homework instead of expecting me to give you a "proof"
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I wasn't expecting you to give me anything nor do I even give a fuck.

[kblood]

King, if you tried experienced oneness, you would know there is a clear difference between a chipped "oneness", and spiritual oneness.

A state of mind can be reached where you feel connected to everything around you, and feel that everything is connected. Not just minds with other minds. It feels enlightening, and it makes everything feels like it is there for purpose.

Yea, the illuminati are probably trying to take this and try to lure people into thinking that oneness is something they created, by giving the world an alternative that might seem like the same thing. Heck, their version might even bring world peace if they succeeded zombifying everyone with chips, but I do not see that happening.

[damagedbrainn]

Think of it in terms of an analogy of "peace".

Peace can be achieved through people recognizing each other's humanity (rather than dehumanizing each other through a baseless pecking order) and deciding that, though they do have differences, one thing they all have in common is a desire not to die nor to kill. Thus, they decide that finding another means of resolving their differences is more beneficial to both sides as opposed to violent conflict.

However, peace can also be achieved through fascism....through the strict maintenance of order via a police state.

Though both technically have the same outcome, how one experiences these things is completely different.

[sunyatta60]

Oneness is the creator of diversity, not the mean of its destruction.

I agree God is One does not God say in the Bible Besides me there is no other I can express that mathematically. Quantum Physics points to this to everything in the Universe is Connected to Everything else in other words it Truly is symbiotic.
The intelligence mob gave us the Internet so something from evil can be used for good by good people like David Icke :)

[sunyatta60]

David Icke : The Matrix is founded on duality and polarity – opposites, or apparent opposites. So we perceive goodness and badness, light and dark, positive and negative. In the realms of Oneness in awareness of itself everything is one. So there is no good or bad. Everything just is. There is no light or dark, only the unity of all. I call it ‘isness' and it has to be experienced to be fully understood.

Yes I agree with David dualism is falase someone claims Wilber one the debate well Boomeritus was a riot but I think Ken would be struggling against Spinoza mate LOL

[majicdragon]

Could the New World order with the micro chip be a promotion for ONENESS in the negative as they seek to make everyone into a hive mentality like theiers?

From different perspectives, things are perceived differently. And "They"... Do you think they have a hive mentality? I think "they" have a "beekeepers" mentality.

[joss classey]

David Icke : Everything just is. There is no light or dark, only the unity of all. I call it ‘isness' and it has to be experienced to be fully understood.

that is if you think about basically just a description of not existing

[revolutionary_jam]

I wanted however to point out the irony in how with the approach of the NWO and the breaking down of the world country specific states to that of a world one is seemingly paralleled with the new age awakening of the Oneness.
I've had similar thoughts!

[Anders Lindman]

David Icke : The Matrix is founded on duality and polarity – opposites, or apparent opposites. So we perceive goodness and badness, light and dark, positive and negative. In the realms of Oneness in awareness of itself everything is one. So there is no good or bad. Everything just is. There is no light or dark, only the unity of all. I call it ‘isness' and it has to be experienced to be fully understood.

Yes I agree with David dualism is falase someone claims Wilber one the debate well Boomeritus was a riot but I think Ken would be struggling against Spinoza mate LOL

Spinoza and Ken Wilber are two, not one, they are a duality. Everything is a duality. ;)

[baron von lotsov]

I've read several writers who say that the "New Age" movement's concept of Oneness was conceived and incubated by intelligence agencies' COINTELPRO. Certainly would explain a lot.


Yes they are heavily into the occult and there are some strong links. David Spangler is one I spotted the other day. Also I knew one person on the old Icke forum who was from a CIA background and explained in detail what goes on. So I'm just saying my own research and experience concurs with this.

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[king]

King, if you tried experienced oneness, you would know there is a clear difference between a chipped "oneness", and spiritual oneness.

i am well aware of that. why use a masonic term, why not use a more appropriate term as : creation/creator/universe/divine intelligence/divinity etc?


A state of mind can be reached where you feel connected to everything around you, and feel that everything is connected. Not just minds with other minds. It feels enlightening, and it makes everything feels like it is there for purpose.

yes indeed

Yea, the illuminati are probably trying to take this and try to lure people into thinking that oneness is something they created, by giving the world an alternative that might seem like the same thing. Heck, their version might even bring world peace if they succeeded zombifying everyone with chips, but I do not see that happening.
I do not see that happening either, althoug at this time western societies are closest to this idea.
my concern is that many, read MANY will be deceived, because of the natural desire to belong to something special and wonderful, a divine unity, the creation -- whatever you want to name it.

so, this oneness idea is used to drive the people in a certain way where individuals in their honest desire to reach higher
realms will be driven into a hive mind like mentality.

and, do not listen to what i am saying, ask any non-westerner how childish are the beliefs of most of westerners when it comes to this subject.
I heard from a few of my buddies ("foreigners") how they cannot believe the level of brainwashing of your average westerner and their ignorance of where they are driven into.

they were laughing about some of the New Age concepts and oneness was one of them.

think about it





Originally Posted by clipwip View Post
I've read several writers who say that the "New Age" movement's concept of Oneness was conceived and incubated by intelligence agencies' COINTELPRO. Certainly would explain a lot.

Yes they are heavily into the occult and there are some strong links. David Spangler is one I spotted the other day. Also I knew one person on the old Icke forum who was from a CIA background and explained in detail what goes on. So I'm just saying my own research and experience concurs with this.

hey baron, who was that member?

[alleendewaarheid]

if the illuminati wanted oneness and love they'd be promoting it..

what do they promote in the illuminati media?

fear, division, anger and hate

oneness = death to the illuminati

think about it..

how do you control people? through division and fear not unity or oneness..

[herebynightfall]

one common center and basis of love.

with the common knowledge birth rights of individuality.

with a mindset to enjoy separate experiences.

yet have untainted information of what is happening in corners of the world that are foreign to oneself.

and the knowingness to not let those who live off of corruption, and bloodshed, and chaos, to take control.

history rewritten, the narcisistic illuminai exposd throughout it all.

and compassion and gratitude for our ancestors.
survival and mutual harmony with eachother and nature in our time needs to be restored.

[alleendewaarheid]

well said herebynightfall!!

[herebynightfall]

yeah post #30 is a must.. to fix things

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