Bloody Sunday

[rreeve]

I just heard that the Bloody Sunday report is due out this month and I was wondering what people expect it to contain and where would I find a copy?

[texdallas]

I don't know where you'll find a copy. What will the report contain? Pehaps details of how the British Army murdered 27 civil rights protesters?

[texdallas]

Forget that I guess you find it here when it's released

http://www.bloody-sunday-inquiry.org/

[marpat]

I don't know where you'll find a copy. What will the report contain? Pehaps details of how the British Army murdered 27 civil rights protesters?

Well the soldiers claim that the people were shooting from the crowd and using unarmed people as a shield. According to one soldier, if the IRA are happy to use their own people as cover then why should he care.

The IRA are not stupid and have tried to use all sorts of traps to get soldiers to fire, the intent being to create negative propoganda, although they were happy enough to kill protestand women and children themselves.

And what about these protestors? a violent mob perhaps? two British soldiers strayed into a funeral crowd back in the 80's and were surrounded. They fired into the air to deter the crowd, who soon dragged them from the car, beat them with metal poles, then threw them off a high wall before executing them.

Perhaps people who werent there should not judge to eagerly. Can you confirm yourself that the army were not fired upon? what if the people killed were shooting at them and once killed their mates took the weapons away? it might well have happened.

[phildee3]

I just heard that the Bloody Sunday report is due out this month and I was wondering what people expect it to contain and where would I find a copy?



Well since it is a report on what happened in "Londonderry," I expect it will say that the Irish shot first.

What happend in Derry is a different story!

[texdallas]

Well the soldiers claim that the people were shooting from the crowd and using unarmed people as a shield. According to one soldier, if the IRA are happy to use their own people as cover then why should he care.

The IRA are not stupid and have tried to use all sorts of traps to get soldiers to fire, the intent being to create negative propoganda, although they were happy enough to kill protestand women and children themselves.

And what about these protestors? a violent mob perhaps? two British soldiers strayed into a funeral crowd back in the 80's and were surrounded. They fired into the air to deter the crowd, who soon dragged them from the car, beat them with metal poles, then threw them off a high wall before executing them.

Perhaps people who werent there should not judge to eagerly. Can you confirm yourself that the army were not fired upon? what if the people killed were shooting at them and once killed their mates took the weapons away? it might well have happened.

All they need to do it turn up evidence that they were shot at...oh hang on they can't do that can they? Cause that was only a bullshit spin that threw on it.

I have a very clear memory of been offered sweets and a look at a soldiers gun as a child walking home from the cinema in Derry aged about 10 so 20 or so years ago. Now I wonder why he did that out on the open street? I was too young to notice at the time that I was his human sheild..

" two British soldiers strayed into a funeral "--- strayed into?? you've not seen the video have you? go find it on youtube yourself...

"Perhaps people who werent there should not judge to eagerly. Can you confirm yourself that the army were not fired upon? what if the people killed were shooting at them and once killed their mates took the weapons away? it might well have happened"------Thirteen people, seven of whom were teenagers, died immediately, while the death of another person 4½ months later has been attributed to the injuries he received on the day. Two protesters were injured when they were run down by army vehicles.[5] Many witnesses, including bystanders and journalists, testify that all those shot were unarmed...and not one witness to say they were armed....

Oh and FYI my father was there.

and just to make the point again for you.....all eyewitnesses (apart from the soldiers), including marchers, local residents, and British and Irish journalists present, maintain that soldiers fired into an unarmed crowd, or were aiming at fleeing people and those tending the wounded, whereas the soldiers themselves were not fired upon. No British soldier was wounded by gunfire or reported any injuries, nor were any bullets or nail bombs recovered to back up their claims.

[texdallas]

bumping this till marpat gets back to us

[tonytibs]

Well the soldiers claim that the people were shooting from the crowd and using unarmed people as a shield. According to one soldier, if the IRA are happy to use their own people as cover then why should he care.

The IRA are not stupid and have tried to use all sorts of traps to get soldiers to fire, the intent being to create negative propoganda, although they were happy enough to kill protestand women and children themselves.

And what about these protestors? a violent mob perhaps? two British soldiers strayed into a funeral crowd back in the 80's and were surrounded. They fired into the air to deter the crowd, who soon dragged them from the car, beat them with metal poles, then threw them off a high wall before executing them.

Perhaps people who werent there should not judge to eagerly. Can you confirm yourself that the army were not fired upon? what if the people killed were shooting at them and once killed their mates took the weapons away? it might well have happened.

Me thinks you swallowed to many British Goverment propaganda pills. problem reaction solution.

[marpat]

All they need to do it turn up evidence that they were shot at...oh hang on they can't do that can they? Cause that was only a bullshit spin that threw on it.

I have a very clear memory of been offered sweets and a look at a soldiers gun as a child walking home from the cinema in Derry aged about 10 so 20 or so years ago. Now I wonder why he did that out on the open street? I was too young to notice at the time that I was his human sheild..

" two British soldiers strayed into a funeral "--- strayed into?? you've not seen the video have you? go find it on youtube yourself...

"Perhaps people who werent there should not judge to eagerly. Can you confirm yourself that the army were not fired upon? what if the people killed were shooting at them and once killed their mates took the weapons away? it might well have happened"------Thirteen people, seven of whom were teenagers, died immediately, while the death of another person 4½ months later has been attributed to the injuries he received on the day. Two protesters were injured when they were run down by army vehicles.[5] Many witnesses, including bystanders and journalists, testify that all those shot were unarmed...and not one witness to say they were armed....

Oh and FYI my father was there.

and just to make the point again for you.....all eyewitnesses (apart from the soldiers), including marchers, local residents, and British and Irish journalists present, maintain that soldiers fired into an unarmed crowd, or were aiming at fleeing people and those tending the wounded, whereas the soldiers themselves were not fired upon. No British soldier was wounded by gunfire or reported any injuries, nor were any bullets or nail bombs recovered to back up their claims.

Your father was there on what side? I guess he was a completely unbiased witness. It seems off that they would cover such a thing up yet a para called Lee Clegg was banged up in a Belfast jail, accuse of shooting a joyrider who nearly ran the patrol down with a stolen vehicle. Later on he was cleared by forensics, who proved that his rifle did not fire the shot that killed the joyrider.

You were a human shield? I doubt it. Lets not pretend that the locals are all nice guys just trying to get rid of the British. A para told me they were getting shot at from a house and when they got into the house there were a number of people there, including a priest.

They may well be guilty but I am not their judge

[marpat]

Me thinks you swallowed to many British Gomt. propaganda pills. problem reaction solution.

Me thinks you have swallowed the cliche pill

[rreeve]

Just found this site about familys campaigning to ‘Set the Truth Free’?

http://setthetruthfree.org >> (http://setthetruthfree.org/about-set-the-truth-free/)


QUOTE FROM THE WEBSITE:
We, the Bloody Sunday families and the wounded have been promised that the report of the Bloody Sunday Inquiry will be handed to the British government in the week beginning 22nd March 2010. However, at that point we have been informed by the British Government that they intend to keep the report for an indeterminate time, at least a few weeks, during which time it will be scrutinised by Ministry of Defence (MOD) lawyers and possibly redacted by the same lawyers who represented the soldiers at the Inquiry.

We ask, is it fair that the British government get advance access to the report, advance possibility of preparing aresponse, with the possibility of changing Lord Saville’s report itself?

We ask, is it justice that the British government, who were responsible for Bloody Sunday, will control the release and maybe even the content of the report?

We the families and the wounded are not asking for special treatment, all we are asking for is equality and justice at this crucial time. We demand that we be treated fairly and that Lord Saville release the report intact to all interested parties at the same time.

Why doesn't this supprise me at all. We shouldn't really expect anything less from our government! How can this be fair? This act of the report being scrutinised by the MOD first should be proof enough ON ITS OWN that the government have something to hide.

I wonder how much press attention this will get! Very little, if any at all I would guess.

[cpfc12]

Well the soldiers claim that the people were shooting from the crowd and using unarmed people as a shield. According to one soldier, if the IRA are happy to use their own people as cover then why should he care.

The IRA are not stupid and have tried to use all sorts of traps to get soldiers to fire, the intent being to create negative propoganda, although they were happy enough to kill protestand women and children themselves.

And what about these protestors? a violent mob perhaps? two British soldiers strayed into a funeral crowd back in the 80's and were surrounded. They fired into the air to deter the crowd, who soon dragged them from the car, beat them with metal poles, then threw them off a high wall before executing them.

Perhaps people who werent there should not judge to eagerly. Can you confirm yourself that the army were not fired upon? what if the people killed were shooting at them and once killed their mates took the weapons away? it might well have happened.

Do you really believe that account of bloody sunday ? please say you don't

[tonytibs]

Me thinks you have swallowed the cliche pill

Know where you are coming from quoting crowley perhaps you masoon bufoon;)

[marpat]

Do you really believe that account of bloody sunday ? please say you don't

I dont believe any particular account of it. It just shocks me a bit that the people who wants these soldiers banged up for it are not also trying to get IRA men and woman banged up for killing innocent people as well. It would seem that they are only interested in one way justice.

[marpat]

Know where you are coming from quoting crowley perhaps you masoon bufoon;)

You cock

[rreeve]

Apparently it'll be after the election.

Source - TimesOnline >> (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7067811.ece)

[texdallas]

Your father was there on what side? I guess he was a completely unbiased witness. It seems off that they would cover such a thing up yet a para called Lee Clegg was banged up in a Belfast jail, accuse of shooting a joyrider who nearly ran the patrol down with a stolen vehicle. Later on he was cleared by forensics, who proved that his rifle did not fire the shot that killed the joyrider.

You were a human shield? I doubt it. Lets not pretend that the locals are all nice guys just trying to get rid of the British. A para told me they were getting shot at from a house and when they got into the house there were a number of people there, including a priest.

They may well be guilty but I am not their judge

Your suggesting I'm a liar now? Your an ignorant prick..

[tonytibs]

Your suggesting I'm a liar now? Your an ignorant prick..sorry its cocks we are discussing:D

[rreeve]

Come on people calm down. I know it's a sensitive subject but that doesn't mean you should resort to swearing and name calling.

[cpfc12]

I dont believe any particular account of it. It just shocks me a bit that the people who wants these soldiers banged up for it are not also trying to get IRA men and woman banged up for killing innocent people as well. It would seem that they are only interested in one way justice.

Yh you have a point, its sort of similar to the police in G20
but at the same time this was a masscre, and 27 civillians being shot, a few of those being shot in the back, is really saying something, and yet its taken nearly 40 years for a report to be given out.

[tonytibs]

Come on people calm down. I know it's a sensitive subject but that doesn't mean you should resort to swearing and name calling.

I'm pished whats marpat's excuse, and in the morning I will be sober:rolleyes:

[texdallas]

Come on people calm down. I know it's a sensitive subject but that doesn't mean you should resort to swearing and name calling.

Fair enough but the guy is on the troll no one can possibly be that ignorant can they?...OK ok I'm over it now. Theres a lot to be learned here and I look forward to the report.

[tonytibs]

fair enough but the guy is on the troll no one can possibly be that ignorant can they?...ok ok i'm over it now. Theres a lot to be learned here and i look forward to the report.hear! Hear!

[rreeve]

ministers have insisted on a thorough “security check” to make sure that no named individual’s human rights are breached, that individuals such as informants cannot be identified and that national security is safeguarded.

Sounds like a well thought out excuse to me. Expect many areas of black in the report.

[cpfc12]

Fair enough but the guy is on the troll no one can possibly be that ignorant can they?...OK ok I'm over it now. Theres a lot to be learned here and I look forward to the report.

I know it seems like that mate, but in the end of the day everyone has an opinion, and there is a bit of truth in everything.
At the same time i strongly believe the response to Bloody sunday back at home, is disgraceful, we sit on our high horse in this country, about how civil liberties are being eroded, yet we literarly raped civil liberties in Northern Ireland a long time ago. yes the IRA where cunts, but so where we.

[marpat]

Your suggesting I'm a liar now? Your an ignorant prick..

I never said you were a liar. You certainly sound like bigotted though.

[texdallas]

I never said you were a liar. You certainly sound like bigotted though.

In what way? You on the other hand sound like a retard with bad grammar. I think the turn of phrase your after is you sound Bigoted cause you can't sound like bigoted cause that's not proper English. At least you've given us a measure of the intelligence we're dealing with.(again) And there's only one t bigoted.

[marpat]

Yh you have a point, its sort of similar to the police in G20
but at the same time this was a masscre, and 27 civillians being shot, a few of those being shot in the back, is really saying something, and yet its taken nearly 40 years for a report to be given out.

If this was a case of soldiers just doing what they wanted they would have been banged up. If there is any cover up it would be to protect somebody else, not the soldiers. If they did kill without cause then they should be jailed, but if somebody else was pulling the strings then maybe this would come out if they went down.

I guess what narks me is that IRA supporters who go on about bloody sunday are happy to turn a blind eye to the murders carried out in the name of their struggle. How many innocent victims have been killed by the IRA, who are then hailed as heros? I watched a documentary about some former IRA men. One of them went to jail for shooting the postman, who he claimed was an intelligence agent. Just looks like people want it all one way.

[them]

This is a conflict that's still harvesting victims today and there can never be justice for any of the victims in my opinion.

How can the parents & loved ones of the 27 dead on bloody Sunday ever be given justice? How can the parents & loved ones of Johnathan Ball (age 3) and Tim Parry (age 12) killed in the Warrington bomb blasts ever be given justice?

Urban Shakedown - Some Justice - YouTube

[texdallas]

If this was a case of soldiers just doing what they wanted they would have been banged up. If there is any cover up it would be to protect somebody else, not the soldiers. If they did kill without cause then they should be jailed, but if somebody else was pulling the strings then maybe this would come out if they went down.

I guess what narks me is that IRA supporters who go on about bloody sunday are happy to turn a blind eye to the murders carried out in the name of their struggle. How many innocent victims have been killed by the IRA, who are then hailed as heros? I watched a documentary about some former IRA men. One of them went to jail for shooting the postman, who he claimed was an intelligence agent. Just looks like people want it all one way.

Ya see this is where your thinking is utterly warped..because people want to see justice their by default IRA sympathisers. I've said it before and I'll say it again your a blank

[nialldabass]

What the hell were the military doing there in the first place? let alone the paras,at a civil rights march, police, fair enough, but military
Methinks both sides were controlled by the same people, 40 years later and nothing has changed

[marpat]

Ya see this is where your thinking is utterly warped..because people want to see justice their by default IRA sympathisers. I've said it before and I'll say it again your a blank

I never said they were default IRA sympathisers, but many of them are!!

[marpat]

What the hell were the military doing there in the first place? let alone the paras,at a civil rights march, police, fair enough, but military
Methinks both sides were controlled by the same people, 40 years later and nothing has changed

The army was initially put there to protect the catholics, who were shitting themselves thinking the protestants were going to do them over.

[eustacekidd]

Saying one side was innocent or in the right is ridiculous, this was disaster caused by both sides.

[texdallas]

Saying one side was innocent or in the right is ridiculous, this was disaster caused by both sides.

OK read the thread not one person here has tried say it was all one sides fault.

[texdallas]

I never said they were default IRA sympathisers, but many of them are!!

Like I said a blank

[marpat]

Like I said a blank

I am just gutted.

[nialldabass]

The army was initially put there to protect the catholics, who were shitting themselves thinking the protestants were going to do them over.

Trust me, i know all about it, and the vast majority of deaths inflicted during this period were carried out by or on the orders of British agents that had infiltrated the Provisional IRA, right to the very top

[cpfc12]

In the end of the day, there was ski shoot with innocent protesters, people on these forums bitch and complain about how you have kettling ! try being gunned down at a peaceful protest, yes earlier some kids where throwing stones, thats probably the main reason why troops got wounded up, and decided to shoot some paddies. These where kids and old people man, i don't give a fuck how evil the IRA where, in the end of the day it doesn't excuse the shit that happened that day, and the cover up that occured afterwards, makes you think about all the shit that probably happened in Iraq and Afghanistan that we don't know about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxi5kxzx3V0
Wouldn't suprise me if you get these sorts wanting to join the police when they get back home

[texdallas]

I am just gutted.


Nah your too thick to give a fuck

[texdallas]

In the end of the day, there was ski shoot with innocent protesters, people on these forums bitch and complain about how you have kettling ! try being gunned down at a peaceful protest, yes earlier some kids where throwing stones, thats probably the main reason why troops got wounded up, and decided to shoot some paddies. These where kids and old people man, i don't give a fuck how evil the IRA where, in the end of the day it doesn't excuse the shit that happened that day, and the cover up that occured afterwards, makes you think about all the shit that probably happened in Iraq and Afghanistan that we don't know about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxi5kxzx3V0
Wouldn't suprise me if you get these sorts wanting to join the police when they get back home

There it is for ya marpat

[marpat]

Nah your too thick to give a fuck

A mick saying that? it must be bad

[marpat]

There it is for ya marpat

Like I said before, I think it is all one sided

[texdallas]

A mick saying that? it must be bad

Have you no respect for yourself? I mean 1st it's your stupidity and ignorance now it's your racism I'm starting to warm to you! I love it when the likes of you drop your pretence and show the world world what you are. Good lad keep it up!

[tonytibs]

If this was a case of soldiers just doing what they wanted they would have been banged up. If there is any cover up it would be to protect somebody else, not the soldiers. If they did kill without cause then they should be jailed, but if somebody else was pulling the strings then maybe this would come out if they went down.

I guess what narks me is that IRA supporters who go on about bloody sunday are happy to turn a blind eye to the murders carried out in the name of their struggle. How many innocent victims have been killed by the IRA, who are then hailed as heros? I watched a documentary about some former IRA men. One of them went to jail for shooting the postman, who he claimed was an intelligence agent. Just looks like people want it all one way.

You sir are an out and out troll(prick) you do not know if you are coming or going. masoon bufoon.

[tonytibs]

A mick saying that? it must be bad

OH! MASSOON BALLOON or next the orange masons bootboys you decrepit moron.

[tonytibs]

Have you no respect for yourself? I mean 1st it's your stupidity and ignorance now it's your racism I'm starting to warm to you! I love it when the likes of you drop your pretence and show the world world what you are. Good lad keep it up!

DO you think he might be a humanist PPPHHHHHHHRRRRRRRPPPPHHHH

[marpat]

Have you no respect for yourself? I mean 1st it's your stupidity and ignorance now it's your racism I'm starting to warm to you! I love it when the likes of you drop your pretence and show the world world what you are. Good lad keep it up!

How am I ignorant? all I stated was that the soldiers themselves claimed that gunmen were firing from the crowd. I also stated, which you dont seem to have bothered looking at, that if soldiers had just killed a load of people off their own back they would have been hung out to dry and that if there is actually a cover up then this would be more to protect somebody else, not the soldiers. In the past soldiers have gone to jail for illgeal shootings in Norhtern Ireland.

You said you dad was there but could it be possible that he did not get an accurate picture of what was going on? how can people say that only the army were firing, could they be sure that it was not somebody in the crowd, or even in the general area? also, what if gunmen had decided to shoot some of their own people in the back, then claim that the army had done it in order to generate massive hatred and gain publicity and propoganda? do you know if there were any bullets extracted from the bodies and what type of amuniation they were? such evidence has been used to prosecute soldiers before so I cant see any reason why it should be hidden. Also, are the eye witnesses credible, or are they anti-British individuals who will say anything they are told to attack the Brits? what if the IRA had threatened the witnesses to make anti-British statements? these are just possible scenarios.

[sub x]

A mick saying that? it must be bad

Marpat I understood where you were coming from trying to add some balance,until you made the above remark,now your opinion is not worth the fuck,your just racist twat,who hasn't gotten a clue what the fuck you are talking to,do some research and stop being a twat.

[marpat]

Marpat I understood where you were coming from trying to add some balance,until you made the above remark,now your opinion is not worth the fuck,your just racist twat,who hasn't gotten a clue what the fuck you are talking to,do some research and stop being a twat.

Wow, get a sense of humour. I have Irish ancestry myself, going back to Galway

[sub x]

Wow, get a sense of humour. I have Irish ancestry myself, going back to Galway

I have a sense of humour and I'm actually laughing at you,you claim ancestry but haven't got a clue what you are talking about,that is funny :D

Anyway British soldiers opening fire on unarmed civilians just wouldn't happen, would it ? certainly not...

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-105710450.html

Jallianwala Bagh massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[wolfhead]

I just heard that the Bloody Sunday report is due out this month and I was wondering what people expect it to contain and where would I find a copy?

It'll be another whitewash. Cant you form your own opinions?

[marpat]

I have a sense of humour and I'm actually laughing at you,you claim ancestry but haven't got a clue what you are talking about,that is funny :D

Anyway British soldiers opening fire on unarmed civilians just wouldn't happen, would it ? certainly not...

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-105710450.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

I was just saying that there could be other factors. It could be that it was as people claim as well. I posted some other things that could be possible so maybe you can say if such things could happen.

[sub x]

I was just saying that there could be other factors. It could be that it was as people claim as well. I posted some other things that could be possible so maybe you can say if such things could happen.

Of course there are other factors,there always is...ironically enough I'm reading a book by Patrick Bishop called 3 Para,the regiment in question here and the author refers to the people on the march that day as "hooligans",it was a peace march,those people were marching for an end to the violence headed by members of the SDLP who were totally against the armed struggle,if the IRA had been seen to have opened fire first they would have been finished,they would have lost all their support but as a result Bloody Sunday opened the flood gates as far as volunteers and the IRA's growth...

Right or wrong those troops should never have been there in the first place,but the arrogant British imperialistic attitude would not allow the troops to be withdrawn,the exact same attitude that can be seen today in relation to Iraq and Afghanistan,where the people fighting the "terrorists" are actually the terrorist themselves,an invading force just like the British had been here for over 800 years.

Bloody Sunday was only one of many atrocities in Irish history at the hand of the British crown,how about the Famine http://www.irishholocaust.org/britain%27scoverup ? 5 million people starved to death at the hands of the British...

None of those murdered on Bloody Sunday had ever fired a gun or handled explosives this is a proven fact,so if we take the British line that they were fired on first,how did they respond ? by opening fire at random into a big crowd of people,so no matter what you want to believe it still looks very bad....

[entrangermercenary]

two British soldiers strayed into a funeral "--- strayed into?? you've not seen the video have you? go find it on youtube yourself...


So what was your take on that event then ??

[marpat]

Even if none of the dead had used a weapon that is not to say somebody right next to them did not. Personally I find it a bit odd that they would just start blazing away at a peaceful crowd given the very tight legal guidelines that they have to follow. To go outside of those guidelins is a one way ticket to jail and it does happen. If they wanted to disperse a crowd then they could have just went with rubber bullets. It makes no sense whatsoever that a group of soldiers would just kill people in those circumstances. I am not saying its impossible, I just find it odd. If they did it in cold blood then that raises a lot of other questions, such as motives, who was in control, etc.

I know there are some grey areas. Back in the 80's I was told by a para that their patrol came under fire from a house and when they got inside they give everybody a kicking, including the priest who was there. Maybe they thought that all those people were involved with the attack on them but I have heard reports of IRA men going to a house with a gun, then holding the owner hostage will they remove bricks from a wall in order to create a concealed firing position.

[phildee3]

two British soldiers strayed into a funeral "--- strayed into?? you've not seen the video have you? go find it on youtube yourself...



What a stupid, ignorant post!

Thanks for the link, jerk!

[marpat]

What a stupid, ignorant post!

Thanks for the link, jerk!

That was not his post. He was commenting on another persons post but the quotesa are missing

[sub x]

Even if none of the dead had used a weapon that is not to say somebody right next to them did not. Personally I find it a bit odd that they would just start blazing away at a peaceful crowd given the very tight legal guidelines that they have to follow. To go outside of those guidelins is a one way ticket to jail and it does happen. If they wanted to disperse a crowd then they could have just went with rubber bullets. It makes no sense whatsoever that a group of soldiers would just kill people in those circumstances. I am not saying its impossible, I just find it odd. If they did it in cold blood then that raises a lot of other questions, such as motives, who was in control, etc.

I understand what you mean and I would like to think that maybe it was bad call of judgment,nervousness or in fact a fire arm was spotted and/or fired as apposed to the Para's just indiscriminately opening fire and killing at random,regardless 14 people were killed,some of them shot in the back and 38 years later we are no nearer the truth,maybe we never will,but history doesn't help the British forces case.

I know there are some grey areas. Back in the 80's I was told by a para that their patrol came under fire from a house and when they got inside they give everybody a kicking, including the priest who was there. Maybe they thought that all those people were involved with the attack on them but I have heard reports of IRA men going to a house with a gun, then holding the owner hostage will they remove bricks from a wall in order to create a concealed firing position.

Grey areas ? there are areas with colours they don't even have names yet :D ,but thankfully those days are behind us all and that Irish and English relations are probably better now than they ever have been and long may it continue.

[entrangermercenary]

What a stupid, ignorant post!

Thanks for the link, jerk!

PMSL
now now go and read the post again :D Thats the trouble with people on this forum. Reading a post then digesting it are worlds apart :)

[entrangermercenary]

I understand what you mean and I would like to think that maybe it was bad call of judgment,nervousness or in fact a fire arm was spotted and/or fired as apposed to the Para's just indiscriminately opening fire and killing at random,regardless 14 people were killed,some of them shot in the back and 38 years later we are no nearer the truth,maybe we never will,but history doesn't help the British forces case.



Grey areas ? there are areas with colours they don't even have names yet :D ,but thankfully those days are behind us all and that Irish and English relations are probably better now than they ever have been and long may it continue.

I am happy for the people of the North, especially my relatives that they haven't got to put up with that shit anymore. By that I mean the soldiers on the streets and the indiscriminate bombings and killings.

[wolfhead]

The Para's are our Storm Troopers, they dont get sent in to cuddle you. They are ruthless, murdering bastards - and have a looong history of atrocities.

[phildee3]

PMSL
now now go and read the post again :D Thats the trouble with people on this forum. Reading a post then digesting it are worlds apart :)

Read it again.
Same conclusion.

- critiscising somebody for not have seen a vid then telling them to go find it for themselves.
Well I wasted 15 mins looking for it in youtube and couldn't find it.
You owe me for my time, asshole!

[marpat]

The Para's are our Storm Troopers, they dont get sent in to cuddle you. They are ruthless, murdering bastards - and have a looong history of atrocities.

List them then

[marpat]

Read it again.
Same conclusion.

- critiscising somebody for not have seen a vid then telling them to go find it for themselves.
Well I wasted 15 mins looking for it in youtube and couldn't find it.
You owe me for my time, asshole!

He was responding to somebody elses post but the quotes were missing. He did not make the original post to look for the vid, check the thread

[sub x]

Read it again.
Same conclusion.

- critiscising somebody for not have seen a vid then telling them to go find it for themselves.
Well I wasted 15 mins looking for it in youtube and couldn't find it.
You owe me for my time, asshole!

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[phildee3]

He was responding to somebody elses post but the quotes were missing. He did not make the original post to look for the vid, check the thread



I did.
Couldn't find it.
That's another fucking 15 mins!!

You're another one!
"Check the thread" - fuck you!

[wolfhead]

List them then

Well There was the killing of a load of 17 year old Argie conscripts in the Falklands when they'd surrendered. Then there was Iraq - in Basra. And of course there was Bloody Sunday when they were sent in to terrify the Irish catholics - like that would ever happen. The paras are a bunch of thugs - thats their job. I love it when the News says '2 Para are in Basra on peace keeping duties' what they mean is that they are suppressing the civilian population by terrorising them.

[phildee3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3hkPNSJDRU

Many thanks, sub x.

It looks to me like they neither "wandered in," nor were trying to attack.
A very strange maneuver!

[entrangermercenary]

Read it again.
Same conclusion.

- critiscising somebody for not have seen a vid then telling them to go find it for themselves.
Well I wasted 15 mins looking for it in youtube and couldn't find it.
You owe me for my time, asshole!

Read it again it wasnt me who posted it...i WAS REPLYING TO IT :rolleyes:

[sub x]

Many thanks, sub x.

Just trying to help you get some of those 15 minutes back ;) :D


I think these documentaries that Peter Taylor did are a must see for a little better understanding of the complexity that was the "Troubles" in N.Ireland.


Brits ep 1 part 1 of 7
Brits ep 1 part 1 of 7 - YouTube


Loyalists ep 1 part 1 of 5
Loyalists ep 1 part 1 of 5 - YouTube

Provos: ep 1 part 1 of 5
Provos: ep 1 part 1 of 5 - YouTube

[phildee3]

Read it again it wasnt me who posted it...i WAS REPLYING TO IT :rolleyes:

I still haven't seen the original cause you won't fucking link to it!

[entrangermercenary]

I still haven't seen the original cause you won't fucking link to it!

fUCK me you want everthing on a plate lol :D

[phildee3]

Just trying to help you get some of those 15 minutes back ;) :D



Bless you.
The only reason I stick around here is because there are a few who have some consideration for others.

Your new vids look good - I'll watch them later.

[entrangermercenary]

Bless you.
The only reason I stick around here is because there are a few who have some consideration for others.

Its called reading the thread from the start and not jumping in like some cunt demanding things on a plate ;)

[phildee3]

Its called reading the thread from the start and not jumping in like some cunt demanding things on a plate ;)

Oh sorry.
In future I'll read every word of a thread before I contribute to it
and remember every detail - and the post number where each can be found.

[entrangermercenary]

Oh sorry.
In future I'll read every word of a thread before I contribute to it
and remember every detail - and the post number where each can be found.

lol so you dont actually read a thread from the start then but just jump in halfway through...ffs...pmsl :D


You should read every word of a thread...then re read it just so you fucking havnt read it wrong 1st time. That is why there is so many misunderstandings and rows on this forum !!!

nite :)

[sub x]

Right I think its time to inject some humor into this thread ;)


Top ten what have the brits even done for Ireland - YouTube

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[marpat]

I did.
Couldn't find it.
That's another fucking 15 mins!!

You're another one!
"Check the thread" - fuck you!

It was there because I read it. Looks like it might have been deleted

Why the attitude?

[marpat]

Well There was the killing of a load of 17 year old Argie conscripts in the Falklands when they'd surrendered. Then there was Iraq - in Basra. And of course there was Bloody Sunday when they were sent in to terrify the Irish catholics - like that would ever happen. The paras are a bunch of thugs - thats their job. I love it when the News says '2 Para are in Basra on peace keeping duties' what they mean is that they are suppressing the civilian population by terrorising them.

The Falklands claim has not been proven but I did read that a number of mercenaries were found to be operating as snipers with the Argies. I read that these were taken away and never seen again but if they are merencaries they are not covered by the rules of war.

I guess you see things in the light you want. Look at Iraq when Saddam was there. It was pretty peaceful because they knew if that Saddam would have flattened any discord, so in some ways peacekeeping is all about a show of force.

So are you saying they killed lots of people in Basra or not? you claimed they have a long history of murder so perhaps you can throw up some facts of deaths caused by paras in Bara. You failed to do it above.

[phildee3]

It was there because I read it. Looks like it might have been deleted



Yes, so did I. That's why I spent so much time looking for it.



Why the attitude?



Because I have other things I could be doing with my time.

[marpat]

Yes, so did I. That's why I spent so much time looking for it.



Because I have other things I could be doing with my time.

Well go and do your other things then. If a post has been removed you shouldn't get aggresive at people for that. I saw the post etrangermercinary was commenting on, which is why I could tell you it was not his words and that it was a simple case of missing quotes.

[the apprentice]

Well the soldiers claim that the people were shooting from the crowd and using unarmed people as a shield. According to one soldier, if the IRA are happy to use their own people as cover then why should he care.

The IRA are not stupid and have tried to use all sorts of traps to get soldiers to fire, the intent being to create negative propoganda, although they were happy enough to kill protestand women and children themselves.

And what about these protestors? a violent mob perhaps? two British soldiers strayed into a funeral crowd back in the 80's and were surrounded. They fired into the air to deter the crowd, who soon dragged them from the car, beat them with metal poles, then threw them off a high wall before executing them.

Perhaps people who werent there should not judge to eagerly. Can you confirm yourself that the army were not fired upon? what if the people killed were shooting at them and once killed their mates took the weapons away? it might well have happened.

Having searved on the island for two years and having talked with a few of the people who were there on the day, what you say about the human shield and taking pop shots is entirly true, a mirror image of how it happened.

I do of course feel the deepest sympathy for the many people hurt and killed on the day, the soldiers were mearly following orders and were as controlled as the civilians, both pawns, working for someone else.

[phildee3]

Well go and do your other things then. If a post has been removed you shouldn't get aggresive at people for that. I saw the post etrangermercinary was commenting on, which is why I could tell you it was not his words and that it was a simple case of missing quotes.



I didn't get annoyed at him for the thing being removed.
What is annoying is people who are not in any position of authority giving orders, like:
"go find it on youtube yourself..."

Any considerate human being would either link to it or say that it's been removed and they are unable to find it either on the thread or on youtube.

[them]

The Falklands claim has not been proven but I did read that a number of mercenaries were found to be operating as snipers with the Argies. I read that these were taken away and never seen again but if they are merencaries they are not covered by the rules of war.

Which country did you read they were from?

[scaltura]

pearce and connolly will be turning in their graves !!

people stand and fight when civil liberties are taken away !!

coalition with the security forces and the uster death squads are renouned !!

ireland is well devided on this 26+6=1

there is no such thing as british northern ireland , ireland is ireland not british .

the empire my fukin arse .

the lies and disinformation the ptb machine create to is despicable !!!!!!!!!

many people in ireland believe that mcguiness and adams have taken the 30 bits of
silver , but in my heart i hope they are working the scum system to take it down from
the inside , i sure hope so !!!

ireland will never forget it's dead !!

there will be another cover up with the findings of the bloody sunday inquery , FACT !!!

FREE IRELAND , PALISTINE AND ALL THE OTHER COUNTRIES WHO ARE BEING RAPED
BY THE SO CALLED EMPIRE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cpfc12]

Having searved on the island for two years and having talked with a few of the people who were there on the day, what you say about the human shield and taking pop shots is entirly true, a mirror image of how it happened.

I do of course feel the deepest sympathy for the many people hurt and killed on the day, the soldiers were mearly following orders and were as controlled as the civilians, both pawns, working for someone else.

Yes the suffering of the poor soldiers is comparable to the suffering of the civillians that day ^^
In the end of the day it was a live human turkey shoot.
The nazi death camp guards don't get sympathy for just "following orders" and i don't believe the para's orders where to shot kids in the back.

[marpat]

Which country did you read they were from?

Apparently they were Spanish looking but had American accents and had weapons that were not issued to Argentinian line troops. They had bolt action sniper rifles whereas the Argies relied on a scoped variant of the FN for marksmen

[marpat]

Yes the suffering of the poor soldiers is comparable to the suffering of the civillians that day ^^
In the end of the day it was a live human turkey shoot.
The nazi death camp guards don't get sympathy for just "following orders" and i don't believe the para's orders where to shot kids in the back.

And what if somebody was firing at them and trying to hide in the crowd? that would mean that any deaths are the result of the gummen hiding behind protestors.

Is that the same when the IRA blow up over 20 paras with a bomb while theywere travelling along a road. They even guessed where the emergency control point would be set up and planted a bomb there to kill anybody trying to help the wounded and dying.

Who said the paras shot them? as I said before it could easily be a gunman doing it to create a massive public backlash and to gain international sympathy, which would also increase money donations from the US. Did you know that there has even been reports of an ex-US marine, who has a hatred for the British, training the IRA with barret rifles, as well as taking a few shots himself? there are outsiders in that place, who may not be bound to any cause of freedom. Why would the IRA kill their own people? one reason could be that they would make millions every year in fund raising, meaning they can have nice lifestyles without ever having to worry about work, as long as they continue their 'struggle'.

[marpat]

pearce and connolly will be turning in their graves !!

people stand and fight when civil liberties are taken away !!

coalition with the security forces and the uster death squads are renouned !!

ireland is well devided on this 26+6=1

there is no such thing as british northern ireland , ireland is ireland not british .

the empire my fukin arse .

the lies and disinformation the ptb machine create to is despicable !!!!!!!!!

many people in ireland believe that mcguiness and adams have taken the 30 bits of
silver , but in my heart i hope they are working the scum system to take it down from
the inside , i sure hope so !!!

ireland will never forget it's dead !!

there will be another cover up with the findings of the bloody sunday inquery , FACT !!!

FREE IRELAND , PALISTINE AND ALL THE OTHER COUNTRIES WHO ARE BEING RAPED
BY THE SO CALLED EMPIRE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

And yet the Irish were happy to support the nazi empire

[cpfc12]

And what if somebody was firing at them and trying to hide in the crowd? that would mean that any deaths are the result of the gummen hiding behind protestors.

Is that the same when the IRA blow up over 20 paras with a bomb while theywere travelling along a road. They even guessed where the emergency control point would be set up and planted a bomb there to kill anybody trying to help the wounded and dying.

Who said the paras shot them? as I said before it could easily be a gunman doing it to create a massive public backlash and to gain international sympathy, which would also increase money donations from the US. Did you know that there has even been reports of an ex-US marine, who has a hatred for the British, training the IRA with barret rifles, as well as taking a few shots himself? there are outsiders in that place, who may not be bound to any cause of freedom. Why would the IRA kill their own people? one reason could be that they would make millions every year in fund raising, meaning they can have nice lifestyles without ever having to worry about work, as long as they continue their 'struggle'.

Bullshit i doubt anyone was firing at them from that crowd, why would they do that, and risk getting their family and neighbours getting shot. Its the same cover story they use to explain the deaths of one million iraqis, and how the naughty terrorists, plant civillians in strategic locations, where they know they willl be killed by the innocent american/british bombers.

I don't give a fuck about the IRA there are plenty of threads, and the general population saying how naughty they are, yet when we killl its understandble. They get reenactments showing concernered saddend soldiers, who only joined up so they could give clean water to little africans. fuck that

A masscre happened, you can't deny that, people where shot in the back while they where lying down, old people waving white cloths where also shot down.
And yet no one has faced prosecution, the MOD and military in general have amazing lawyers, and in the end of the day, the british public, don't really give a fuck

[cpfc12]

Even the selfish conspiracy sheeple on here don't give a fuck
shame on them ... carry on claiming you have special insight on what the fuck is going on in this world, because you read the daily mail or guardian, for you latte drinkers out there

[scaltura]

marpat !!!!

you really need to read into your history

not the propaganan history

i am not going to reply to this thread again ,
i have no energy to waste on you

[marpat]

Bullshit i doubt anyone was firing at them from that crowd, why would they do that, and risk getting their family and neighbours getting shot. Its the same cover story they use to explain the deaths of one million iraqis, and how the naughty terrorists, plant civillians in strategic locations, where they know they willl be killed by the innocent american/british bombers.

I don't give a fuck about the IRA there are plenty of threads, and the general population saying how naughty they are, yet when we killl its understandble. They get reenactments showing concernered saddend soldiers, who only joined up so they could give clean water to little africans. fuck that

A masscre happened, you can't deny that, people where shot in the back while they where lying down, old people waving white cloths where also shot down.
And yet no one has faced prosecution, the MOD and military in general have amazing lawyers, and in the end of the day, the british public, don't really give a fuck

Yes, people were shot in the back but can you be sure who did it? were any ballistics done to prove what type of bullet killed those people? such information is very critical to get to the truth.

[them]

Apparently they were Spanish looking but had American accents and had weapons that were not issued to Argentinian line troops. They had bolt action sniper rifles whereas the Argies relied on a scoped variant of the FN for marksmen

This (http://www.nytimes.com/1982/08/23/world/around-the-world-no-us-mercenaries-in-falklands-british-say.html) MOD statement from back in 1982 attempted to blow away the fog of war.

REUTERS
Published: August 23, 1982

The Ministry of Defense today rejected a newspaper report today that United States mercenaries fought alongside Argentine soldiers in the Falklands conflict.

The Observer reported that a British soldier in the Third Parachute Regiment was convinced that two prisoners taken during the battle of Mount Longdon were United States citizens and part of a mercenary force.

A Ministry of Defense spokesman said: ''We have no formal knowledge of an incident of this kind. Clearly if there had been any known incident of this type we would have done something before now.''

Officials noted that Argentina's special 601st Regiment contained several Anglo-Argentines, some of whom were educated in the United States.

Or did it?

[sub x]

And yet the Irish were happy to support the nazi empire

:confused:

How exactly did we support the "Nazi empire" ?

[marpat]

:confused:

How exactly did we support the "Nazi empire" ?

By allowing nazis to use Ireland as a jumping off point to get into the UK. I thought the connections were well known. The has even been documentaries on it. My understanding of it was that they would be happy to support the nazis and in return they would get full control of Ireland if the nazis won.

[the apprentice]

Yes the suffering of the poor soldiers is comparable to the suffering of the civillians that day ^^
In the end of the day it was a live human turkey shoot.
The nazi death camp guards don't get sympathy for just "following orders" and i don't believe the para's orders where to shot kids in the back.

I feel for both sides in all of this, but you must realise that in a live fire situation all sides will get killed, Northern Ireland was an active duty posting, live everything by both sides, one side fully visible and the other not, until their own bombs killing in one second in Armagh than all the bullets from the visible protectors, have you ready the whole story of what was happening there and why, look at the bigger picture and put yourself amongst it, you do not have to agree with it, you are simply there by choice of a signature on a paper.

I can personally relate to the suffering of a school friends family, my kinsman died in 1985 while he out on patrol in Divves, no warning of intent, no thoughts of others in the immediate area, a school full of another religion only meters away, I was there on the ground when all went silent.

[the apprentice]

Bullshit i doubt anyone was firing at them from that crowd, why would they do that, and risk getting their family and neighbours getting shot. Its the same cover story they use to explain the deaths of one million iraqis, and how the naughty terrorists, plant civillians in strategic locations, where they know they willl be killed by the innocent american/british bombers.

I don't give a fuck about the IRA there are plenty of threads, and the general population saying how naughty they are, yet when we killl its understandble. They get reenactments showing concernered saddend soldiers, who only joined up so they could give clean water to little africans. fuck that

A masscre happened, you can't deny that, people where shot in the back while they where lying down, old people waving white cloths where also shot down.
And yet no one has faced prosecution, the MOD and military in general have amazing lawyers, and in the end of the day, the british public, don't really give a fuck

Doubt's are the same base as the slave that pays, and we know what thought did.

[sub x]

By allowing nazis to use Ireland as a jumping off point to get into the UK. I thought the connections were well know. The has even been documentaries on it. My understanding of it was that they would be happy to support the nazis and in return they would get full control of Ireland if the nazis won.

Obviously the connections are not well known because we never allowed the Nazi's use Ireland for anything.There was some suggestions from some quarters about it at the time but was never put into practice,so you're understanding is very wrong.We did have some Nazi's exiled in Ireland when the war finished.


Ireland's Nazi's Part 1
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


As for your last sentence about "giving the Nazi's full control of Ireland if the Nazi's won" is just feckin hilarious :D I think it is safe to assume you have a very very basic knowledge of Irish history,but don't seem to have grasped it very well, and seem to believe a lot of bullshit too.Do you honestly think we would have fought the British for 800 years to just hand over the much sought after Republic and our independence to the Nazi's some 17 years after it was achieved ??? :D

[marpat]

Obviously the connections are not well known because we never allowed the Nazi's use Ireland for anything.There was some suggestions from some quarters about it at the time but was never put into practice,so you're understanding is very wrong.We did have some Nazi's exiled in Ireland when the war finished.


Ireland's Nazi's Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyrOw5x5Hn0


As for your last sentence about "giving the Nazi's full control of Ireland if the Nazi's won" is just feckin hilarious :D I think it is safe to assume you have a very very basic knowledge of Irish history,but don't seem to have grasped it very well, and seem to believe a lot of bullshit too.Do you honestly think we would have fought the British for 800 years to just hand over the much sought after Republic and our independence to the Nazi's some 17 years after it was achieved ??? :D

I think you misunderstood me. I dont think I said the Germans would take full control. What I meant to say that the Germans would give the Irish full control of Ireland if they won, in return for rights of passage. Maybe I was wrong but obviously some connections have been made.

[wolfhead]

pearce and connolly will be turning in their graves !!

people stand and fight when civil liberties are taken away !!

coalition with the security forces and the uster death squads are renouned !!

ireland is well devided on this 26+6=1

there is no such thing as british northern ireland , ireland is ireland not british .

the empire my fukin arse .

the lies and disinformation the ptb machine create to is despicable !!!!!!!!!

many people in ireland believe that mcguiness and adams have taken the 30 bits of
silver , but in my heart i hope they are working the scum system to take it down from
the inside , i sure hope so !!!

ireland will never forget it's dead !!

there will be another cover up with the findings of the bloody sunday inquery , FACT !!!

FREE IRELAND , PALISTINE AND ALL THE OTHER COUNTRIES WHO ARE BEING RAPED
BY THE SO CALLED EMPIRE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

+1

[sub x]

I think you misunderstood me. I dont think I said the Germans would take full control. What I meant to say that the Germans would give the Irish full control of Ireland if they won, in return for rights of passage. Maybe I was wrong but obviously some connections have been made.

Doh !

Sorry Marpat,I did misunderstand your original statement,apologies ;)

As I said earlier this was discussed,you know the old the enemy of my enemy... but in hindsight this would have been a disaster for Ireland's international reputation. I don't know how true this is but I did hear whether we had of supported the Nazi's or not,apparently if the Nazi's had of won the war Ireland was going to be used as one great big holiday retreat.

[geezer661]

pearce and connolly will be turning in their graves !!

people stand and fight when civil liberties are taken away !!

coalition with the security forces and the uster death squads are renouned !!

ireland is well devided on this 26+6=1

there is no such thing as british northern ireland , ireland is ireland not british .

the empire my fukin arse .

the lies and disinformation the ptb machine create to is despicable !!!!!!!!!

many people in ireland believe that mcguiness and adams have taken the 30 bits of
silver , but in my heart i hope they are working the scum system to take it down from
the inside , i sure hope so !!!

ireland will never forget it's dead !!

there will be another cover up with the findings of the bloody sunday inquery , FACT !!!

FREE IRELAND , PALISTINE AND ALL THE OTHER COUNTRIES WHO ARE BEING RAPED
BY THE SO CALLED EMPIRE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

so peoples free will means nothing to you?

[geezer661]

The Para's are our Storm Troopers, they dont get sent in to cuddle you. They are ruthless, murdering bastards - and have a looong history of atrocities.

and the IRA give out free cuddles

[geezer661]

So all the people wanting these soldiers to be locked up for what these soldiers did also want the IRA to be sent back to prison?

[cpfc12]

and the IRA give out free cuddles

yawn

[sub x]

So all the people wanting these soldiers to be locked up for what these soldiers did also want the IRA to be sent back to prison?

So you recognize the IRA as a legitimate army bound by Geneva Convention ?

[wolfhead]

and the IRA give out free cuddles

The IRA are the heros. Try reading history rather than the Sun and the Mail.

[marpat]

Doh !

Sorry Marpat,I did misunderstand your original statement,apologies ;)

As I said earlier this was discussed,you know the old the enemy of my enemy... but in hindsight this would have been a disaster for Ireland's international reputation. I don't know how true this is but I did hear whether we had of supported the Nazi's or not,apparently if the Nazi's had of won the war Ireland was going to be used as one great big holiday retreat.

And Carlisle was going to be made the new capital apparently

No probs about the misunderstanding.

[marpat]

The IRA are the heros. Try reading history rather than the Sun and the Mail.

And I am sure many Irish people would claim that is not the case.

I watched a documentary where an ex-member tells how he shot the postman because he thought the guy was an intelligence agent. Not what I would call a hero

[wolfhead]

Doh !

Sorry Marpat,I did misunderstand your original statement,apologies ;)

As I said earlier this was discussed,you know the old the enemy of my enemy... but in hindsight this would have been a disaster for Ireland's international reputation. I don't know how true this is but I did hear whether we had of supported the Nazi's or not,apparently if the Nazi's had of won the war Ireland was going to be used as one great big holiday retreat.

I dont see any problem with Ireland teaming up with Germany. Look how they were treated by the English!

Bearing in mind Germany fought the 2nd world war to rid europe of jews, I think they were fighting for a good cause.

[marpat]

I dont see any problem with Ireland teaming up with Germany. Look how they were treated by the English!

Bearing in mind Germany fought the 2nd world war to rid europe of jews, I think they were fighting for a good cause.

Then again, the offer might have been there at first but who would trust somebody like Hitler to keep his word.

Cant say I agree with your hatred of jews.

[jakemaverick]

Well the soldiers claim that the people were shooting from the crowd and using unarmed people as a shield. According to one soldier, if the IRA are happy to use their own people as cover then why should he care.

The IRA are not stupid and have tried to use all sorts of traps to get soldiers to fire, the intent being to create negative propoganda, although they were happy enough to kill protestand women and children themselves.

And what about these protestors? a violent mob perhaps? two British soldiers strayed into a funeral crowd back in the 80's and were surrounded. They fired into the air to deter the crowd, who soon dragged them from the car, beat them with metal poles, then threw them off a high wall before executing them.

Perhaps people who werent there should not judge to eagerly. Can you confirm yourself that the army were not fired upon? what if the people killed were shooting at them and once killed their mates took the weapons away? it might well have happened.

yeah, and i bet jean charles de menenzes really was wearing a bomb and all those kiddies murdered in afghanistan and iraq really were going to grow up to become evil terrorist people....

[wolfhead]

And I am sure many Irish people would claim that is not the case.

I watched a documentary where an ex-member tells how he shot the postman because he thought the guy was an intelligence agent. Not what I would call a hero

Yep, you sure have a handle on the big picture.

[wolfhead]

Then again, the offer might have been there at first but who would trust somebody like Hitler to keep his word.

Cant say I agree with your hatred of jews.

Yep, there's your grasp of the big picture again.

[sub x]

Then again, the offer might have been there at first but who would trust somebody like Hitler to keep his word.


Cant say I agree with your hatred of jews.

+1

Look Marpat,we are in total agreement about something(for the first time in this thread :D )

Without going off on yet another tangent but the Jews were used and slaughtered to bolster the Zionist ideology.The Nazi's were being funded by Rothchild's and that ilk,something that even more complex than the Troubles in N.Ireland,but this is not the thread to get into that sort of stuff.

[scaltura]

GEEZER661

HOW DARE YOU !!!!

i do not know how to repost a quote , i will learn !

like you need to learn irish historty , past and present !

british murdering greedy scum !

the IRA has many factions , old and new , go do your homework .

what about MI5 building a nice new building in the north , at the present !!

british security forces do nothing to help IRISH WORKING CLASS NATIONAL
COMMUNITIES , to rid of the drug problems , they are more interested in disinforming
people with propaganda and intering people with no evidence , sounds farmiliar doesn'i
it ?

thats what THEY do try and buy people , but there will always be IRISH willing to take a
stand on things , yes some people may have been murdered , but murdered for treason,
treason of their own country , by coercing with the forces !!!!

THIS IS NOT NEW , CENTURIES MY FRIEND !! ( the term friend used very very lightly)

[scaltura]

just like the highland lairds taking the silver .

the clearances , devide and conqour !

it's not just here it all round the world

FACT !!!!!!!

[wolfhead]

GEEZER661

HOW DARE YOU !!!!

i do not know how to repost a quote , i will learn !

like you need to learn irish historty , past and present !

british murdering greedy scum !

the IRA has many factions , old and new , go do your homework .

what about MI5 building a nice new building in the north , at the present !!

british security forces do nothing to help IRISH WORKING CLASS NATIONAL
COMMUNITIES , to rid of the drug problems , they are more interested in disinforming
people with propaganda and intering people with no evidence , sounds farmiliar doesn'i
it ?

thats what THEY do try and buy people , but there will always be IRISH willing to take a
stand on things , yes some people may have been murdered , but murdered for treason,
treason of their own country , by coercing with the forces !!!!

THIS IS NOT NEW , CENTURIES MY FRIEND !! ( the term friend used very very lightly)

Hear, hear!

[sub x]

GEEZER661

HOW DARE YOU !!!!

i do not know how to repost a quote , i will learn !

like you need to learn irish historty , past and present !

british murdering greedy scum !

the IRA has many factions , old and new , go do your homework .

what about MI5 building a nice new building in the north , at the present !!

british security forces do nothing to help IRISH WORKING CLASS NATIONAL
COMMUNITIES , to rid of the drug problems , they are more interested in disinforming
people with propaganda and intering people with no evidence , sounds farmiliar doesn'i
it ?

thats what THEY do try and buy people , but there will always be IRISH willing to take a
stand on things , yes some people may have been murdered , but murdered for treason,
treason of their own country , by coercing with the forces !!!!

THIS IS NOT NEW , CENTURIES MY FRIEND !! ( the term friend used very very lightly)


+1

Great post ;)

Official Irish Republican Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Provisional Irish Republican Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I just finished reading this book a couple of weeks back and gives a whole new direction on the discussion of the recent history of the IRA :

http://anarchism.pageabode.com/andrewnflood/lost-revolution-launch-history-official-ira-workers-party

[geezer661]

The IRA are the heros. Try reading history rather than the Sun and the Mail.

yes blowing up innocent civilians. How heroic

[geezer661]

I dont see any problem with Ireland teaming up with Germany. Look how they were treated by the English!

Bearing in mind Germany fought the 2nd world war to rid europe of jews, I think they were fighting for a good cause.

Someone who supports the mass murder of people and the IRA. goes hand in hand i think

[geezer661]

GEEZER661

HOW DARE YOU !!!!

i do not know how to repost a quote , i will learn !

like you need to learn irish historty , past and present !

british murdering greedy scum !

the IRA has many factions , old and new , go do your homework .

what about MI5 building a nice new building in the north , at the present !!

british security forces do nothing to help IRISH WORKING CLASS NATIONAL
COMMUNITIES , to rid of the drug problems , they are more interested in disinforming
people with propaganda and intering people with no evidence , sounds farmiliar doesn'i
it ?

thats what THEY do try and buy people , but there will always be IRISH willing to take a
stand on things , yes some people may have been murdered , but murdered for treason,
treason of their own country , by coercing with the forces !!!!

THIS IS NOT NEW , CENTURIES MY FRIEND !! ( the term friend used very very lightly)

You misunderstand me. Just because Im against the IRA it doesnt mean Im for the british armed forces

[wolfhead]

yes blowing up innocent civilians. How heroic

How many of their bombs were actually laid by the Brit SAS? You talk about heroics! And dont say it didn't happen cos it did. Omagh is a case in point. So are the Birmingham pub bombings. Try getting educated on a subject before getting involved in debate.

[geezer661]

How many of their bombs were actually laid by the Brit SAS? You talk about heroics! And dont say it didn't happen cos it did. Omagh is a case in point. So are the Birmingham pub bombings. Try getting educated on a subject before getting involved in debate.

again just because im not for the IRA it doesnt mean im for the british

[d9d9d9]

How many of their bombs were actually laid by the Brit SAS? You talk about heroics! And dont say it didn't happen cos it did. Omagh is a case in point. So are the Birmingham pub bombings. Try getting educated on a subject before getting involved in debate.
Good point.
And by the way ..."geezer661" and "educated" don't belong in same sentence under no circumstances... ;)

[geezer661]

Good point.
And by the way ..."geezer661" and "educated" don't belong in same sentence under no circumstances... ;)

So you know all about my education. Thanks but I dont need a stalker

[geezer661]

Good point.
And by the way ..."geezer661" and "educated" don't belong in same sentence under no circumstances... ;)

you still crying from being destroyed in the other thread, time to grow up old chap

[d9d9d9]

you still crying from being destroyed in the other thread, time to grow up old chap

LoL! "Stalker" ... "Destroyed".... Talking about self-delusional :D

Dude, ur stupid...deal with it...and stay away from serious topics until you do. LOL!

[sub x]

yes blowing up innocent civilians. How heroic

Now,now just for a bit of balance here but the IRA were a by product of 800 years of British imperialism,oppression and murder.

I'll post this again for your benefit Geezer ;) To hell with what main stream history says that 1 million Irish were wiped out due the Famine,it was 5 million all because of ethnic cleansing,thanks you the British empire :mad:

http://www.irishholocaust.org/

http://www.irishholocaust.org/tollofholocaust

http://www.noraid.com/Holocaust.htm

[scaltura]

FOR ALL TO LOOK UP ON YOUTUBE

Mairead Farrell - a true hero , she has interview on the tube

makes hairs on the back of my neck stand up

" they will never take our minds "

[geezer661]

LoL! "Stalker" ... "Destroyed".... Talking about self-delusional :D

Dude, ur stupid...deal with it...and stay away from serious topics until you do. LOL!

says the poster who only comes out with insults to other members. It must be some sort of defense mechanism for when your losing the debate

[wolfhead]

again just because im not for the IRA it doesnt mean im for the british

OK so fighting against 800 years of British oppression with no standing army and the worlds most ruthless secret service and armed forces railed against you for the entire time makes the IRA cowards does it?

Bearing in mind that the IRA actually won when they destroyed the City and Major was forced to the negociating table - I think abunch of working class blokes have the right to be called heros.

Try reading a book called 'The Committee' which is D noticed here but can be bought on amazon.com. Read Gerry Adams autobiography to and 'The Black and Tans' and see if you dont get angery about our goverment.

[geezer661]

FOR ALL TO LOOK UP ON YOUTUBE

Mairead Farrell - a true hero , she has interview on the tube

makes hairs on the back of my neck stand up

" they will never take our minds "

the same Mairead Farrell as in the IRA bomber who attempted to explode her devise in a central tourist area in the Mediterranean area of Southern Europe

[geezer661]

OK so fighting against 800 years of British oppression with no standing army and the worlds most ruthless secret service and armed forces railed against you for the entire time makes the IRA cowards does it?

Bearing in mind that the IRA actually won when they destroyed the City and Major was forced to the negociating table - I think abunch of working class blokes have the right to be called heros.

Try reading a book called 'The Committee' which is D noticed here but can be bought on amazon.com. Read Gerry Adams autobiography to and 'The Black and Tans' and see if you dont get angery about our goverment.

tell tht to the dead children of the omagh bombing

[wolfhead]

tell tht to the dead children of the omagh bombing

Most of their families already know the truth. Do dont seem to be a thinker, more of a feeler?

[geezer661]

Most of their families already know the truth. Do dont seem to be a thinker, more of a feeler?

I think its wrong to kill civilians and i feel for the victims of the bombs. That so wrong?

[wolfhead]

I think its wrong to kill civilians and i feel for the victims of the bombs. That so wrong?

No but what were the Irish people supposed to do? turn the other cheek. 800 years. 5 million dead.

[geezer661]

No but what were the Irish people supposed to do? turn the other cheek. 800 years. 5 million dead.

they should have just targeted the military and the government not innocent ppl. If I was in the same situation I would have joined the IRA but I couldnt bring myself to kill innocence

[wolfhead]

they should have just targeted the military and the government not innocent ppl

The IRA never targeted anyone but government, financial and military targets. Any civilians they killed were mistakes. The men who planted the Omagh, Birmingham and Guildford bombs deliberately targeted civilians - no Irish terrorists planted those bombs, our side did. Our establishment will do ANYTHING to win.

[geezer661]

The IRA never targeted anyone but government, financial and military targets. Any civilians they killed were mistakes. The men who planted the Omagh, Birmingham and Guildford bombs deliberately targeted civilians - no Irish terrorists planted those bombs, our side did. Our establishment will do ANYTHING to win.

have you any sources for this?

[scaltura]

how many civilians have the forces killed ?

innocent civilians ?

endless amounts in IRAQ , etc.......

it's not just IRELAND it's all over the world , well documented !

tptb DO NOT dispatch the proper history , they only tell YOU what THEY WANT YOU
TO HEAR !!!!!!!

The list is endless

911 truthers are made out to be lunatics , when it's starting to come out now
lies lies lies lies

The IRISH stand up and let their voices be heard , but just get branded terrorists

who are the real terrorists ???

YES TPTB

SOME MEN FIGHT FOR SILVER , SOME MEN FIGHT FOR GOLD
BUT THE IRISHMEN ARE FIGHTING FOR THE LAND THAT
THE SAXONS STOLE !!!!!

[wolfhead]

have you any sources for this?

Like I said read those books!

Remember Deansgate - Sunday morning. The City? - Sunday morning. Hyde Park - middle of the Horse Guards parade practice. Aldershot - military pub full of Paras - hense Bloody Sunday. Grand Hotel - full of Torys inc Thatcher. Lord Mountbatten - ex- Field Marshal etc, etc, etc....

[wolfhead]

how many civilians have the forces killed ?

innocent civilians ?

endless amounts in IRAQ , etc.......

it's not just IRELAND it's all over the world , well documented !

tptb DO NOT dispatch the proper history , they only tell YOU what THEY WANT YOU
TO HEAR !!!!!!!

The list is endless

911 truthers are made out to be lunatics , when it's starting to come out now
lies lies lies lies

The IRISH stand up and let their voices be heard , but just get branded terrorists

who are the real terrorists ???

YES TPTB

SOME MEN FIGHT FOR SILVER , SOME MEN FIGHT FOR GOLD
BUT THE IRISHMEN ARE FIGHTING FOR THE LAND THAT
THE SAXONS STOLE !!!!!

Great all that - but it was the Normans who stole your land - usinhg Saxon armys.

[phildee3]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[sub x]

they should have just targeted the military and the government not innocent ppl. If I was in the same situation I would have joined the IRA but I couldnt bring myself to kill innocence

Geezer,the IRA did target government and military but sadly innocent people did died which depending on your viewpoint,was a necessary evil to bring the British establishment to its knees,it was seen that if the general public in the UK could bring pressure on the government through fear,which some would argue worked but the IRA lost a lot of support from people in Ireland when innocent civilians were being murdered indiscriminately in our name.Whats even worse was that a large number of English people were sympathetic to the plight of the Irish situation.

Another sad fact of that whole mess was it didn't matter if the IRA had never killed one civilian and just concentrated on government and military,they still would have been considered terrorists and the occupying force as hero's back home,just as the Allied forces in Iraq and Afghanistan are now.

[scaltura]

WOLFHEAD

you are well informed , respect !

i am not going to post any more replies to this as i said earlier , which i went
against what i said , because some other comments made me angry .

i know a fair bit about my ancestors history .

some people come on this site say that they are awakened (haha)

peace , love , life , happiness .......... FREEDOM !!!!!!!!!!

[wolfhead]

WOLFHEAD

you are well informed , respect !

i am not going to post any more replies to this as i said earlier , which i went
against what i said , because some other comments made me angry .

i know a fair bit about my ancestors history .

some people come on this site say that they are awakened (haha)

peace , love , life , happiness .......... FREEDOM !!!!!!!!!!

Thanks. I was well taught by my Grandfather. He was from Limmerick. He woke me up at about 8 years old - if I was ever asleep! The irony was that he fought in the Desert Rats during WW2 cos he needed a wage. He retired an RSM!!!

[them]

The IRA never targeted anyone but government, financial and military targets. Any civilians they killed were mistakes. The men who planted the Omagh, Birmingham and Guildford bombs deliberately targeted civilians - no Irish terrorists planted those bombs, our side did. Our establishment will do ANYTHING to win.

Does that include the Warrington bombs that killed Johnathan Ball, age 3, and Tim Parry, age 12, while they were shopping?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ira-insists-warrington-bomb-alerts-were-given-terrorists-fear-loss-of-support-1499306.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ira-insists-warrington-bomb-alerts-were-given-terrorists-fear-loss-of-support-1499306.html)

[wolfhead]

Does that include the Warrington bombs that killed Johnathan Ball, age 3, and Tim Parry, age 12, while they were shopping?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ira-insists-warrington-bomb-alerts-were-given-terrorists-fear-loss-of-support-1499306.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ira-insists-warrington-bomb-alerts-were-given-terrorists-fear-loss-of-support-1499306.html)

So, it was the IRA cos the media says it was?

[them]

So, it was the IRA cos the media says it was?

Pardon?

I think you missed the point.

[wolfhead]

Pardon?

I think you missed the point.


Best you run that by me again!?!

[sub x]

Does that include the Warrington bombs that killed Johnathan Ball, age 3, and Tim Parry, age 12, while they were shopping?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ira-insists-warrington-bomb-alerts-were-given-terrorists-fear-loss-of-support-1499306.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ira-insists-warrington-bomb-alerts-were-given-terrorists-fear-loss-of-support-1499306.html)

That was such a tragedy and a significant turning point in the pursuit of peace in Ireland,Tim Parry's father is the sometimes forgotten hero of the "Troubles" for the part he played in trying to bring an end to violence on both sides of the Irish Sea... that was a very sad day for the people of Ireland as well as the UK and all I can say is that those 2 boys did not die in vain,their deaths brought the realization that the war had to end and soon.

To all the victims of another tragic chapter of our history,my heart goes out to you and your families.

[them]

Best you run that by me again!?!

Who was duplicate, the IRA or The British State?

Both were involved.

How can one be sure of the nature of the deception?

Did the IRA deliver an accurate warning which was then twisted by the British State, or didn't they?

[wolfhead]

Who was duplicate, the IRA or The British State?

Both were involved.

How can one be sure of the nature of the deception?

Did the IRA deliver an accurate warning which was then twisted by the British State, or didn't they?

Good point. I prefer the IRA as the honest broker. They fought for freedom, the English fought for profit.

[them]

Good point. I prefer the IRA as the honest broker. They fought for freedom, the English fought for profit.

Would it be too far fetched to ask you to consider the possibility that both sides have the same master?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_right_paradigm

Can be translated into.. Divide & Rule, PRS.. et cetera

[geezer661]

Would it be too far fetched to ask you to consider the possibility that both sides have the same master?

Left right paradigm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_right_paradigm)

Can be translated into.. Divide & Rule, PRS.. et cetera

i think gerry adams and mcguinness are both shills

[wolfhead]

Would it be too far fetched to ask you to consider the possibility that both sides have the same master?

Left right paradigm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_right_paradigm)

Can be translated into.. Divide & Rule, PRS.. et cetera

I've never considered that. It wouldn't suprise me though as nothing does now. However, I can see why the Rothschilds fund both side in a major war - but I cannot see who would benefit from funding 'The Troubles'?

UUUUM, the UK government maybe?

[them]

i think gerry adams and mcguinness are both shills

with allegiance to whom?

[sub x]

i think gerry adams and mcguinness are both shills

Oh jesus,I was wondering when we would get to this,now that is a whole different kettle of ball games.

[geezer661]

here we go:

http://wikicompany.org/wiki/images/Gerry_Adams_CFR.jpg

[them]

I've never considered that. It wouldn't suprise me though as nothing does now. However, I can see why the Rothschilds fund both side in a major war - but I cannot see who would benefit from funding 'The Troubles'?

UUUUM, the UK government maybe?

What.. you mean like orchestrating a sectarian conflict that then acted as a college for battle hardening troops and training agents?

[wolfhead]

i think gerry adams and mcguinness are both shills

Well, they've been through hellish lives and proved their principals on many occasions. I just cannot see that.

[geezer661]

Gerry Adams (1948) (President of Sinn Féin)
"Please remember that Gerry Adams is a Jesuit himself. Remember that the whole illusion of opposition is a creation of the Jesuits through their Knights of Malta in control of British Intelligence. Do not forget the British involved with the bombs and bombings. Now they have the new super terrorist Al-CIA-dah they no longer need the IRA. Didn't you ever make that connection to the IRA death? Whats funny is that the bombings claimed as IRA were far worse than al-CIA-dah and almost every damn week. Lets not forget folks how Gerry Adams is a puppet front controller of a secret society known as the Ancient Order of Hibernians which is linked to the LUCIFERIAN green color. This order is also known as the Green Ribbon Lodge. All Jesuit controlled consisting of only Catholics."


http://wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Masonic_politicians

[geezer661]

Martin Ingram (pseudonym), a British agent admitted infiltration of the IRA and said that over 70% of their bombings were commanded by British Intelligence. We confronted Gerry Adams to get the info from the 'horse's mouth'. There has been vast amounts of evidence uncovered that show U.S and British controlled terrorist groups through out the world that serve a purpose to the controllers. In Iraq British agents were caught dressed as Iraqis carrying out terrorism, they were dramatically broken out of jail. In Iraqi they have found sophisticated bombs matching those used by the IRA aka British Intelligence bombs. To misdirect a group all you need do is corrupt a few leaders. Has the 2nd and more destructive IRA (provisional IRA) proven to be 100% infiltrated by British Intelligence? Yes. Here is a handful of well known examples: Denis Donaldson, one of the most senior figures in Sinn Fein entrusted by Gerry Adams. "On 16 December 2005, senior Sinn Féin member Denis Donaldson appeared before TV cameras in Dublin and confessed to being a British spy for twenty years." Sean O'Callaghan was a member of Sinn Fein's ruling council who was debriefed by MI5 and also worked for the Irish police. A more recent example would be from Feb 2008, Roy McShane, a former IRA man on the payroll of MI5. Announced by an embarrassed Sinn Fein.

[scaltura]

SUB X

whats your thoughts on that last geezer comment ?

i know the irish are devided on this !

there are many irish who have lost and suffered and would never even contemplate
negotiations with the state , as of the things that have been done , not just physicaly
but the mental aspect too .

as i said in one of the last postings that i wrote on this matter , i said in my heart i
hope the plan is to take it down from the inside , but the 30 bits of silver has been
one of the ESTABLISHMENTS biggest weapons in history , it's amaising what a human
will do for money !

i'm not trying to be funny with this question , please don't take it wrong way

[wolfhead]

Gerry Adams (1948) (President of Sinn Féin)
"Please remember that Gerry Adams is a Jesuit himself. Remember that the whole illusion of opposition is a creation of the Jesuits through their Knights of Malta in control of British Intelligence. Do not forget the British involved with the bombs and bombings. Now they have the new super terrorist Al-CIA-dah they no longer need the IRA. Didn't you ever make that connection to the IRA death? Whats funny is that the bombings claimed as IRA were far worse than al-CIA-dah and almost every damn week. Lets not forget folks how Gerry Adams is a puppet front controller of a secret society known as the Ancient Order of Hibernians which is linked to the LUCIFERIAN green color. This order is also known as the Green Ribbon Lodge. All Jesuit controlled consisting of only Catholics."


http://wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Masonic_politicians

News to me! Theres a lot to take in there. Be sure, I'll be back!

[geezer661]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1238157/The-chilling-story-Gerry-Adams-lied-protect-paedophile-brother--helped-work-children.html

heres another story about the traitorous shill

[them]

That was such a tragedy and a significant turning point in the pursuit of peace in Ireland,Tim Parry's father is the sometimes forgotten hero of the "Troubles" for the part he played in trying to bring an end to violence on both sides of the Irish Sea... that was a very sad day for the people of Ireland as well as the UK and all I can say is that those 2 boys did not die in vain,their deaths brought the realization that the war had to end and soon.

To all the victims of another tragic chapter of our history,my heart goes out to you and your families.

I believe that you mean what you say. Tragedy is the right word :o

[scaltura]

wolfy ! can i call you that ?

mcguiness called for anyone who knew about anyone involved in splinter groups to inform
on them to the authorities , does that not go against what he believed in ?

bringing his own ex comrades to british injustice , this i cannot understand !!

what i certainly do understand is ireland has had enought pain for the whole world over
it really is a dam shame , irish people are some of the hardest family orientated people
on the planet .

each decade bring it's rebel band ( the tones)

[scaltura]

i said twice that i was not going to post on this subject again .

but sorry , i'm gripped !!!

geezer , the way i see the way your comments have changed through the thread ,
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[geezer661]

i said twice that i was not going to post on this subject again .

but sorry , i'm gripped !!!

geezer , the way i see the way your comments have changed through the thread ,
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

in wht way

[geezer661]

Gerry Adams of Sinn Fein - YouTube

nice gerry

[geezer661]

wolfy ! can i call you that ?

mcguiness called for anyone who knew about anyone involved in splinter groups to inform
on them to the authorities , does that not go against what he believed in ?

bringing his own ex comrades to british injustice , this i cannot understand !!

what i certainly do understand is ireland has had enought pain for the whole world over
it really is a dam shame , irish people are some of the hardest family orientated people
on the planet .

each decade bring it's rebel band ( the tones)

he has power now. power corrupts (in my opinion hes corrupt anyway) but the only threat to his power now is not the british but the splinter groups trying to stop the peace process. So he wants to keep on to tht power he has, thts why he wants ppl to grass

[scaltura]

here is a wee article that shows MI5 still going strong in ireland

Wednesday, 10 February 2010
Garda 'disingenuous' Drugs Concern
Posted by Finbarr Walsh Cumann Cork32CSM

32 County Sovereignty Movement
10/02/2010

32CSM slam Garda’s ‘disingenuous’ concern over drugs issue.

The 32 CSM wish to contrast the actions of Garda Detectives and Special Branch in Cork city on 9/02/2010 and their complete lack of activity in dealing with the drugs issue in the city prior to their raids on republicans.

It is reported that up to 60 detectives raided the homes of republicans (including members of the 32CSM) across Cork city in response to the execution of a major drug dealer in the city by the IRA.

This show of strength by the state against republican separatists contrasts noticeably with the complete lack of any state presence in the area over a long period of time to deal with the issues that republicans had to address on behalf of the community.

The importation and distribution of hard drugs such as heroin and cocaine has been allowed to decimate working class communities across the city and indeed the nation yet it was only when republicans stepped in to defend those communities that the state started to show concern about the issue, this concern is disingenuous. The object of their concern is not the drugs issue but rather the issue of republicans growing and gaining further support in the area, this shameful behaviour by the state has not been lost on the people of Cork.

The antics by the Free State forces will not deter the republican movement in Cork from tackling the drugs issue alongside the community nor will it hamper the 32 County Sovereignty Movement’s work in articulating the republican position in Cork or anywhere else.



above was pasted comment below is my comment , had to edit sorry


now as we all know the goverment is well in control of the drug trade , do not deny this
this partly the reason of the war in afganistan , heroine !!!!!

they have not stopped the flow , but actually the flow of drugs id worse

[wolfhead]

Martin Ingram (pseudonym), a British agent admitted infiltration of the IRA and said that over 70% of their bombings were commanded by British Intelligence. We confronted Gerry Adams to get the info from the 'horse's mouth'. There has been vast amounts of evidence uncovered that show U.S and British controlled terrorist groups through out the world that serve a purpose to the controllers. In Iraq British agents were caught dressed as Iraqis carrying out terrorism, they were dramatically broken out of jail. In Iraqi they have found sophisticated bombs matching those used by the IRA aka British Intelligence bombs. To misdirect a group all you need do is corrupt a few leaders. Has the 2nd and more destructive IRA (provisional IRA) proven to be 100% infiltrated by British Intelligence? Yes. Here is a handful of well known examples: Denis Donaldson, one of the most senior figures in Sinn Fein entrusted by Gerry Adams. "On 16 December 2005, senior Sinn Féin member Denis Donaldson appeared before TV cameras in Dublin and confessed to being a British spy for twenty years." Sean O'Callaghan was a member of Sinn Fein's ruling council who was debriefed by MI5 and also worked for the Irish police. A more recent example would be from Feb 2008, Roy McShane, a former IRA man on the payroll of MI5. Announced by an embarrassed Sinn Fein.

Now this I do know summat about! The SAS dressed as Arabs were caught in Basra market with a bootful of bombs, they killed 2 Iraqi cops in a shootout but ended up in Basra police station. A UK tank rescued them before they could be interogated. The manipulation of terrorist groups in europe goes back to the 'stay-behinds' that morphed into Operation Gladio. Thinking about it I guess thet the IRA could have be led by the nose in that manner. Red October and the Barder Miehof gangs were. Yeah, there could be something in that! Could it be that the Brit Gov were basically inventing another enemy for us to be scared off?

However, my Grandfather (Irish republican) told me a story about the SAS/SBS and special branch spooks that were all over Ireland in the 70s leaving the service and then looking for work 'on the circuit'. Basically they touted their expertise round all the security contractors and ended up back in the provinces as free-lancers - without the restraints of working for government (although they were really). They hung around IRA/UDF etc pubs and clubs and entered the organisations at the 'talking shop' level. They work their way into the hard core, active units by acting like right nutters who are up for anything. Do a few robberies and kneecaps to prove themselves etc. One evening an IRA active unit goes head on with a UDF unit in a Derry park. 7 men died out of 11, 5 of them were undercover for various 'security services'! The trouble was that none of the various services shared info with the other so you had them all spying on each other while thinking the other was the terrorist!

Sounds like rank incompetence to me?

[geezer661]

whats left of the IRA work for british intelligence. They now run and control the drugs trade in northern ireland for the intelligence service.

[scaltura]

1st you were going on about IRA scum

then talkin about adams the shill

showing videos of adams the traitor

has your opinion changed as you have read the thread ?

i'm not dissin you , i'd just like to understand your stance

[geezer661]

dont anyone think its strange they have started to put an end to the troubles in N.I and now we have another bogeyman called alqaeda

[geezer661]

1st you were going on about IRA scum

then talkin about adams the shill

showing videos of adams the traitor

has your opinion changed as you have read the thread ?

i'm not dissin you , i'd just like to understand your stance

it hasnt changed

I say give Ireland back to the Irish.

Im just against the killing of innocent civis by whoever it may be

[wolfhead]

wolfy ! can i call you that ?

mcguiness called for anyone who knew about anyone involved in splinter groups to inform
on them to the authorities , does that not go against what he believed in ?

bringing his own ex comrades to british injustice , this i cannot understand !!

what i certainly do understand is ireland has had enought pain for the whole world over
it really is a dam shame , irish people are some of the hardest family orientated people
on the planet .

each decade bring it's rebel band ( the tones)

I remember cringing when I saw that on the news. I took it that McGuiness was trying to stop things falling back to war on the streets again. I took it that he was warning the splinter groups off. It was a brave stance when you think about it as he's got more crosshairs on him then ever now!

[scaltura]

certain factions will be using the drug trade for money , yes maybe , but is this disinfo ?

hardline republicans do not tolerate drugs ruining comunities , and act on it FACT

but as always , there will be yer scum that will try and profit from any situation that they can , but when the true people find out , there is no hiding place for them

wolfy or sub x tell me if i'm talking shite please will ya's

[wolfhead]

SUB X

whats your thoughts on that last geezer comment ?

i know the irish are devided on this !

there are many irish who have lost and suffered and would never even contemplate
negotiations with the state , as of the things that have been done , not just physicaly
but the mental aspect too .

as i said in one of the last postings that i wrote on this matter , i said in my heart i
hope the plan is to take it down from the inside , but the 30 bits of silver has been
one of the ESTABLISHMENTS biggest weapons in history , it's amaising what a human
will do for money !

i'm not trying to be funny with this question , please don't take it wrong way

Na, I'm not having any of it. Adams and Mcguiness have suffered too long for their principals. We're not talking about scum like cops, army or policitians here. They are men of proven principals.

[scaltura]

GEEZER

what you have to understand , the british inteligence helped in most of these massacres
do not be fooled by all the propaganda , please !!

26+6=1 always remember that

[wolfhead]

certain factions will be using the drug trade for money , yes maybe , but is this disinfo ?

hardline republicans do not tolerate drugs ruining comunities , and act on it FACT

but as always , there will be yer scum that will try and profit from any situation that they can , but when the true people find out , there is no hiding place for them

wolfy or sub x tell me if i'm talking shite please will ya's

The loyalist are the drug dealers. Not the republicans - never, never.

The republicans rob banks and rob the army's payroll etc.

[sub x]

SUB X

whats your thoughts on that last geezer comment ?

i know the irish are devided on this !

there are many irish who have lost and suffered and would never even contemplate
negotiations with the state , as of the things that have been done , not just physicaly
but the mental aspect too .

as i said in one of the last postings that i wrote on this matter , i said in my heart i
hope the plan is to take it down from the inside , but the 30 bits of silver has been
one of the ESTABLISHMENTS biggest weapons in history , it's amaising what a human
will do for money !

i'm not trying to be funny with this question , please don't take it wrong way


Not taken the wrong way at all ;)

I remember Michael Tsarion talking about how the Republican paramilitaries at the very top were commanded by 3 MI5 operatives,as the same for the Loyalists,but annoyingly he didn't go too deep into at all,as well as David Ickes slightly touches on it but I suppose the body of work involved would be massive,although being as Tsarion is a native of N.Ireland I would have thought this would be something he would get his teeth into but hasn't so far.

Not so long ago there were rumors that Martin McGuinness was an MI5 informant but this was said to an attempt to undermine him.Denis Donaldson was definitely an informant as his murder not long after it was he was exposed would prove.I have also heard the Gerry Adams/Jesuit connection but haven't seen anything of proof.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergrass_%28informer%29

The thing for me as a result of being awake,nothing surprises me anymore,what I have been mostly discussing throughout this thread would be a MSM viewpoint,as of yet as I said already nobody has tackled the alternative viewpoint.

Very good question,unfortunately at the moment,I couldn't answer with any real conviction.

[geezer661]

GEEZER

what you have to understand , the british inteligence helped in most of these massacres
do not be fooled by all the propaganda , please !!

26+6=1 always remember that

I have no doubt they did help

[scaltura]

wolfy

i sure hope in my heart , that yer right .

but i do know that there are a lot of irish turned and leaving sinn fein , as a matter of principle .

i'm really torn on that subject , i really am .

i watched interview with mcguiness and paxman the zionist , and paxman was trying to rip martin , martin came across like the martin i 100% believed in 10 years ago

as i said , i just hope it's to bring it down from the inside

[geezer661]

The loyalist are the drug dealers. Not the republicans - never, never.

The republicans rob banks and rob the army's payroll etc.

IRA Drug Dealer Murdered - YouTube

[wolfhead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gyr587MFf_0

Thats just more talking heads.

[scaltura]

wolfy

read my post 175

had to edit it

[scaltura]

GEEZER

i know all about this , old news to me , he was a member or the IRA and was court martialed and in the findings , he had to go as that sort of behaviour is not tolerated and brings the tru cause a bad name and the drugs are helping bring misery to comunities

[wolfhead]

wolfy

i sure hope in my heart , that yer right .

but i do know that there are a lot of irish turned and leaving sinn fein , as a matter of principle .

i'm really torn on that subject , i really am .

i watched interview with mcguiness and paxman the zionist , and paxman was trying to rip martin , martin came across like the martin i 100% believed in 10 years ago

as i said , i just hope it's to bring it down from the inside

Theres so much BS out there that after 25 years of researching 'alternative' views I like to think I've developed a BS detector.

The only way that McGuiness and Adams can be undermined is by the PTB smearing them. That ensures that their powerbase gets demotivated and crumbles. Our rulers are very, very vindictive - and they lost this one! These two men have the peoples best interests at heart, the killing had to stop as neither side could win militarily. Bye the way, that Nobel Peace Prize won by Trimble and Hulme was Adams - The Good Friday agreement was his work.

[scaltura]

WOLFY

SORRY !!

i meant 176

please read

[sub x]

Theres so much BS out there that after 25 years of researching 'alternative' views I like to think I've developed a BS detector.

The only way that McGuiness and Adams can be undermined is by the PTB smearing them. That ensures that their powerbase gets demotivated and crumbles. Our rulers are very, very vindictive - and they lost this one! These two men have the peoples best interests at heart, the killing had to stop as neither side could win militarily. Bye the way, that Nobel Peace Prize won by Trimble and Hulme was Adams - The Good Friday agreement was his work.

So much bullshit,keeps the situation nice and confusing,very likely to hurt the head of the average person :D

In relation to Wolfheads post above(funnily enough,a couple of times I looked at your forum ID quickly and thought it said Wolf Tone :D ) it must be noted that Sinn Fein do very well in working class areas on both sides of the boarder because they are a working class party,they were the only party in the Dail that campaigned against the Lisbon treaty when all the rest were selling us out.

[wolfhead]

WOLFY

SORRY !!

i meant 176

please read

What? the bit about the drugs?

[scaltura]

yeah

that was partly in referal to the

talking heads comment of video

i was just showing that there real republicans do not tolerate this

that was a comment from 32csm cork

i just added my bit at bottom

[macneil]

Your father was there on what side? I guess he was a completely unbiased witness. It seems off that they would cover such a thing up yet a para called Lee Clegg was banged up in a Belfast jail, accuse of shooting a joyrider who nearly ran the patrol down with a stolen vehicle. Later on he was cleared by forensics, who proved that his rifle did not fire the shot that killed the joyrider.

You were a human shield? I doubt it. Lets not pretend that the locals are all nice guys just trying to get rid of the British. A para told me they were getting shot at from a house and when they got into the house there were a number of people there, including a priest.

They may well be guilty but I am not their judge

So you were there yourself then? And your employment gives you an un-biased view also I guess...

I see.. a para told you all about it so you must be right.

You forgot to mention the cover up by Lee Clegg and his colleagues after the became aware they were responsible for the murder of 2 teenagers. You also forgot to mention that they were shot in the back after the "threat" had passed... You also forgot to mention how many shots were fired into the car... That would be 36 shots fired with 19 hitting the car. You forgot the mention 18 year old Karen Reilly was shot 3 times. You also forgot to mention that they had Eugene Brannigan out of his car at the time after being told he would "Have his head fucking blown off if he moved"

You also forgot to mention that they smashed one of Cleggs colleagues legs with an AR in an attempt to justify that the teenagers car rammed the patrol... You forgot to mention that Clegg was still patrolling the streets for 11 months when his competence was under question. You forgot to mention Clegg claimed the first 3 shots he fired hit the front windscreen when no shots had entered the windscreen at all. You also forgot to mention that they were more than aware of Joyriders using this road... You forgot to mention a lot of things.

You forgot to mention Aindow was charged with attempted murder, Clegg with murder, and 4 others were charged with the cover up... Aindow getting 7 years while the other were aquitted, later to become 4 years with a charge of malicious wounding. You also forgot to mention that the media forgot to mention Aindows mysterious wounds... You also forgot to mention this quote....

" Whether it was joyriders or terrorists is not the point. O.k., we probably knew it was joyriders. The point is that the car was being used as a lethal weapon."

You also forgot to mention Clegg returned to Duty and was promoted...

You also forgot to mention that the death of 2 teenagers was glorified and celebrated by British para's in palace barracks...

The paras celebrated the deaths with a particularly sick montage erected in Palace Barracks. It was a ten foot mock-up of an Astra car with a papier mache head stuck in the drivers window. Red paint marked the fatal head wound; bullet holes riddled the car body. Pinned up besides the car was a poster which read: "Vauxhall Astra - Built by robots, driven by joyriders, stopped by A Company".

http://i43.tinypic.com/152hvkp.jpg

[wolfhead]

yeah

that was partly in referal to the

talking heads comment of video

i was just showing that there real republicans do not tolerate this

that was a comment from 32csm cork

i just added my bit at bottom

Thats a subject for a new thread. Rest assured mate - I have something to say on that!

[wolfhead]

So you were there yourself then? And your employment gives you an un-biased view also I guess...

I see.. a para told you all about it so you must be right.

You forgot to mention the cover up by Lee Clegg and his colleagues after the became aware they were responsible for the murder of 2 teenagers. You also forgot to mention that they were shot in the back after the "threat" had passed... You also forgot to mention how many shots were fired into the car... That would be 36 shots fired with 19 hitting the car. You forgot the mention 18 year old Karen Reilly was shot 3 times. You also forgot to mention that they had Eugene Brannigan out of his car at the time after being told he would "Have his head fucking blown off if he moved"

You also forgot to mention that they smashed one of Cleggs colleagues legs with an AR in an attempt to justify that the teenagers car rammed the patrol... You forgot to mention that Clegg was still patrolling the streets for 11 months when his competence was under question. You forgot to mention Clegg claimed the first 3 shots he fired hit the front windscreen when no shots had entered the windscreen at all. You also forgot to mention that they were more than aware of Joyriders using this road... You forgot to mention a lot of things.

You forgot to mention Aindow was charged with attempted murder, Clegg with murder, and 4 others were charged with the cover up... Aindow getting 7 years while the other were aquitted, later to become 4 years with a charge of malicious wounding. You also forgot to mention that the media forgot to mention Aindows mysterious wounds... You also forgot to mention this quote....

" Whether it was joyriders or terrorists is not the point. O.k., we probably knew it was joyriders. The point is that the car was being used as a lethal weapon."

You also forgot to mention Clegg returned to Duty and was promoted...

You also forgot to mention that the death of 2 teenagers was glorified and celebrated by British para's in palace barracks...

The paras celebrated the deaths with a particularly sick montage erected in Palace Barracks. It was a ten foot mock-up of an Astra car with a papier mache head stuck in the drivers window. Red paint marked the fatal head wound; bullet holes riddled the car body. Pinned up besides the car was a poster which read: "Vauxhall Astra - Built by robots, driven by joyriders, stopped by A Company".

http://www.angelfire.com/ia/ira/images/cr.jpg

FUCK ME! Where'd you come from????

Good post mind.

[scaltura]

macneil

stroll my good man !!!

we shall overcome

they're scum and they know they are !!!

[sub x]

FUCK ME! Where'd you come from????

Good post mind.

+1

LMFAO @ Wolfhead's surprise :D

Exactly post Macneil ;)

[scaltura]

OH THE JOY TONIGHT

REAL ISSUES !

where did they all disappear to

hahaha

[texdallas]

Wow this thread has expaned over the weekend! I see geezer has found it too...ah well too bad it was good reading for a bit now we have to put up with himself trying to drag the tone down..and I bet most of you where thinking marpat didn't have a clue!! :D

macneil amazing post!!

[geezer661]

Wow this thread has expaned over the weekend! I see geezer has found it too...ah well too bad it was good reading for a bit now we have to put up with himself trying to drag the tone down..and I bet most of you where thinking marpat didn't have a clue!! :D

macneil amazing post!!

Please don't tlk like I'm not part of the debate. Please tell me wht things you disagree with. Put tht bat down and come back to the table sir.

[nialldabass]

Great thread everyone. some great info being posted.
If anyone wants to know how TPTB behave, this is the thread to read
The manipulation of good honest people on both sides is so obvious

[texdallas]

Your father was there on what side? I guess he was a completely unbiased witness. It seems off that they would cover such a thing up yet a para called Lee Clegg was banged up in a Belfast jail, accuse of shooting a joyrider who nearly ran the patrol down with a stolen vehicle. Later on he was cleared by forensics, who proved that his rifle did not fire the shot that killed the joyrider.

You were a human shield? I doubt it. Lets not pretend that the locals are all nice guys just trying to get rid of the British. A para told me they were getting shot at from a house and when they got into the house there were a number of people there, including a priest.

They may well be guilty but I am not their judge

The latest incident occurred on Thursday 17 July when residents witnessed the children accompanying the patrol which had just been dropped into nearby fields. It emerged later the British forces asked the children to go with them as they moved across the fields.

One child confirmed the soldiers had let the children play with their guns, and had shown them lead and plastic bullets and reported that one soldier told the children that if the IRA appeared ``we will use you as a shield.''

[geezer661]

The latest incident occurred on Thursday 17 July when residents witnessed the children accompanying the patrol which had just been dropped into nearby fields. It emerged later the British forces asked the children to go with them as they moved across the fields.

One child confirmed the soldiers had let the children play with their guns, and had shown them lead and plastic bullets and reported that one soldier told the children that if the IRA appeared ``we will use you as a shield.''

whts yr source for this?

[scaltura]

Can i ask this

has section 44 of the terrorism act been outlawed by euro courts ???

[texdallas]

whts yr source for this?

This was repoted by An Phoblacht but it mirrors my own experiences exactly.

[texdallas]

Can i ask this

has section 44 of the terrorism act been outlawed by euro courts ???

Section 44 scaltura?

[geezer661]

Can i ask this

has section 44 of the terrorism act been outlawed by euro courts ???

On 12 January 2010 Liberty won a landmark legal case on Section 44.

In Gillan and Quinton v the United Kingdom, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that Section 44 violates the right to respect for private life guaranteed by Article 8 of the Convention on Human Rights. This is because the power is so broad that it fails to provide safeguards against abuse.

Despite the ruling of the European Court of Human Rights, Section 44 will remain in place until it is amended by Parliament.

[geezer661]

This was repoted by An Phoblacht but it mirrors my own experiences exactly.

whts yr experience?

[scaltura]

TEXDALLAS

section 44 , stop and search , pish !

i was under impression that this had been outlawed !!

but it is still happening in eire today

stopping and searchinf school children

DISGUSTING !!!!!

[jakemaverick]

you seen what going on in nottingham now?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8578631.stm

also 'airport scanning' peeps at random....lot more, but only link i cd find....

[clachan]

The latest incident occurred on Thursday 17 July when residents witnessed the children accompanying the patrol which had just been dropped into nearby fields. It emerged later the British forces asked the children to go with them as they moved across the fields.

One child confirmed the soldiers had let the children play with their guns, and had shown them lead and plastic bullets and reported that one soldier told the children that if the IRA appeared ``we will use you as a shield.''

Probably not true.....republican propaganda.,

[scaltura]

Probably not true.....republican propaganda.,

OMG !!!

ARE YOU FOR REAL :eek:

[clachan]

So you were there yourself then? And your employment gives you an un-biased view also I guess...

I see.. a para told you all about it so you must be right.

You forgot to mention the cover up by Lee Clegg and his colleagues after the became aware they were responsible for the murder of 2 teenagers. You also forgot to mention that they were shot in the back after the "threat" had passed... You also forgot to mention how many shots were fired into the car... That would be 36 shots fired with 19 hitting the car. You forgot the mention 18 year old Karen Reilly was shot 3 times. You also forgot to mention that they had Eugene Brannigan out of his car at the time after being told he would "Have his head fucking blown off if he moved"

You also forgot to mention that they smashed one of Cleggs colleagues legs with an AR in an attempt to justify that the teenagers car rammed the patrol... You forgot to mention that Clegg was still patrolling the streets for 11 months when his competence was under question. You forgot to mention Clegg claimed the first 3 shots he fired hit the front windscreen when no shots had entered the windscreen at all. You also forgot to mention that they were more than aware of Joyriders using this road... You forgot to mention a lot of things.

You forgot to mention Aindow was charged with attempted murder, Clegg with murder, and 4 others were charged with the cover up... Aindow getting 7 years while the other were aquitted, later to become 4 years with a charge of malicious wounding. You also forgot to mention that the media forgot to mention Aindows mysterious wounds... You also forgot to mention this quote....

" Whether it was joyriders or terrorists is not the point. O.k., we probably knew it was joyriders. The point is that the car was being used as a lethal weapon."

You also forgot to mention Clegg returned to Duty and was promoted...

You also forgot to mention that the death of 2 teenagers was glorified and celebrated by British para's in palace barracks...

The paras celebrated the deaths with a particularly sick montage erected in Palace Barracks. It was a ten foot mock-up of an Astra car with a papier mache head stuck in the drivers window. Red paint marked the fatal head wound; bullet holes riddled the car body. Pinned up besides the car was a poster which read: "Vauxhall Astra - Built by robots, driven by joyriders, stopped by A Company".

http://i43.tinypic.com/152hvkp.jpg

That all rings true.
Lee Clegg is an animal and there are many like him in that regiment.

[geezer661]

OMG !!!

ARE YOU FOR REAL :eek:

why you find it hard to believe it could be?

[clachan]

OMG !!!

ARE YOU FOR REAL :eek:

Ive spent months in NI with 1 Para.....never heard of kids being used a shields before,like i say,republican propaganda.

[scaltura]

Nothing , NOTHING is beyond the PTB

dirty tricks !

i know a lot more , but it certainly is not for here

[geezer661]

anyway joy riding towards an armed checkpoint is hardly the smartest thing to do.

[scaltura]

Ive spent months in NI with 1 Para....

well i'll say no more , you've said it for me .

although i wish i could reach out and take those blinkers off ya

[clachan]

anyway joy riding towards an armed checkpoint is hardly the smartest thing to do.

Very silly idea indeed,but they were just kids who did not have a clue what was standing at that check point.

[clachan]

well i'll say no more , you've said it for me .

although i wish i could reach out and take those blinkers off ya

I come here because its a truth forum..or so they say.

I like to tell what is truth otherwise whats the point ?

[scaltura]

I come here because its a truth forum..or so they say.

I like to tell what is truth otherwise whats the point ?

and you were told the whole truth by your paymasters ?

i doubt it very very much !!!!

there were many different operatives , working in eire , and there would only
have been very few knew big picture and plan !

[griswald]

I come here because its a truth forum..or so they say.

I like to tell what is truth otherwise whats the point ?

Do you believe Soldier 027 told the truth

griswald

[clachan]

and you were told the whole truth by your paymasters ?

i doubt it very very much !!!!

there were many different operatives , working in eire , and there would only
have been very few knew big picture and plan !

I only know what i experienced,im reluctant to believe anything else.

[clachan]

Do you believe Soldier 027 told the truth

griswald

Yes,I do because it echo,s my own experiences.

[scaltura]

I only know what i experienced,im reluctant to believe anything else.

relucance or denial ?

but your on a truth forum !!!

why are you to believe whats said on here ?

you must have EXPERIENCED most of this forum then ?

[clachan]

relucance or denial ?

but your on a truth forum !!!

why are you to believe whats said on here ?

you must have EXPERIENCED most of this forum then ?

When did i say that i believed anything ive ever read here ?

[scaltura]

I come here because its a truth forum..or so they say.

I like to tell what is truth otherwise whats the point ?


if you don't believe some stuff that you read here , why frequent ?

[clachan]

if you don't believe some stuff that you read here , why frequent ?

Because i enjoy reading other peoples take on the nature of reality,some of it rings true whilst others entertain the realms of fantasy....simple really.

[griswald]

Yes,I do because it echo,s my own experiences.

I imagine that you must have gone through some personal turmoil so...........seperating right from wrong, truth from fiction, and trying to maintain a proper moral setting on your compass...............

griswald

[tonytibs]

You cock

The light of SATAN you WINKER

[scaltura]

I imagine that you must have gone through some personal turmoil so...........seperating right from wrong, truth from fiction, and trying to maintain a proper moral setting on your compass...............

griswald

applause !!

[clachan]

I imagine that you must have gone through some personal turmoil so...........seperating right from wrong, truth from fiction, and trying to maintain a proper moral setting on your compass...............

griswald

I was very young,at that age you just watch and listen,its not for you to judge or reason why.....that comes much later.

I knew some real bad bastards,but i knew some lovely people too.

[clachan]

applause !!

Are you interested in unbiased truth from insiders or just out to wind people up ?

[scaltura]

I was very young,at that age you just watch and listen,its not for you to judge or reason why.....that comes much later.

I knew some real bad bastards,but i knew some lovely people too.

Watch and LEARN

Listen to what YOU are TOLD

And i guess if you listen to what you are told , enough , it becomes reality !

now thats propaganda !!

[scaltura]

Are you interested in unbiased truth from insiders or just out to wind people up ?

Not here to wind people up , no , certainly not !!!

UNBIASET INSIDER TRUTH ?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFT

[them]

Great thread everyone. some great info being posted. If anyone wants to know how TPTB behave, this is the thread to read. The manipulation of good honest people on both sides is so obvious.

Yup, both manipulated by the same authority!
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Fryslayer/Castle-Etc/Customs/CCCEcomotion/vk_smiley_thumbs_up.gif

Happy Mondays - Hallelujah (club mix) - YouTube

Because i enjoy reading other peoples take on the nature of reality,some of it rings true whilst others entertain the realms of fantasy....simple really.

I agree, it's all in the contrast, old son ;)

[griswald]

applause !!

Thankyou (bow) thankyou (bow):D:D:D

griswald

[clachan]

Watch and LEARN

Listen to what YOU are TOLD

And i guess if you listen to what you are told , enough , it becomes reality !

now thats propaganda !!

Im well aware of the meaning of propaganda,but it goes even further than that.
It goes even further than brainwashing,it more like what you do to a dog when you really want it to win a fight......you brutalise it.
Parachute regiment training is like a filter,it finds the right dogs first.

[scaltura]

Im well aware of the meaning of propaganda,but it goes even further than that.
It goes even further than brainwashing,it more like what you do to a dog when you really want it to win a fight......you brutalise it.
Parachute regiment training is like a filter,it finds the right dogs first.


INTERESTING QOUTE !

YOU HAVE BEEN BRUTALISED , JUST ABOUT SAID IN YOUR OWN WORDS !

TURNED INTO A BRAINWASHED FIGHTING DOG !!!!!!!!!

THEN THE PARAS TURN THE BRUTALITY ON THE OPRESSED

what more can i say :eek:

[them]

Im well aware of the meaning of propaganda,but it goes even further than that.
It goes even further than brainwashing,it more like what you do to a dog when you really want it to win a fight......you brutalise it.
Parachute regiment training is like a filter,it finds the right dogs first.

THE PARAS BBC EPISODE 1 PART 1 - YouTube

[clachan]

INTERESTING QOUTE !

YOU HAVE BEEN BRUTALISED , JUST ABOUT SAID IN YOUR OWN WORDS !

TURNED INTO A BRAINWASHED FIGHTING DOG !!!!!!!!!

THEN THE PARAS TURN THE BRUTALITY ON THE OPRESSED

what more can i say :eek:

Thats all behind me,I see it for what it is......this gives me a wonderfull overveiw of what most here can only imagine but have never seen,including you who speaks out of ignorance.

These days Im a lamb,but feel well equiped to deal with what is to come ;)

[scaltura]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT61kdo_gww

NOW NOW NOW COME ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN !!

I GOT 26 SECONDS IN AND TURNED OFF , why ?

the faulklands , how on gods earth can this be british

get real !!!!! it's also a by product of the BBC hahahahahaha

brilliant

[clachan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT61kdo_gww

Sorry them,but i cannot watch vids because i have no broadband.
But if that film was from 1981 and follows 474 platoon then im in it anyway.
474 got it easy because the camara,s were there.I was in 473 so was 6 weeks in advance as thats the gaps between intakes.

[scaltura]

Thats all behind me,I see it for what it is......this gives me a wonderfull overveiw of what most here can only imagine but have never seen,including you who speaks out of ignorance.

These days Im a lamb,but feel well equiped to deal with what is to come ;)

1 your making me laugh

2 my ignorance ? you do not know me

3 your well equiped for what is to come ?

here was me thinking you were here to read about peoples fantasies;)