China Arming Iran includes nukes, missiles

[eternal_spirit]

KIEV | Recent developments in Iran confirm that China is providing Tehran with critical defense technologies and weapons systems, including some that violate stated Chinese policies aimed at preventing nuclear proliferation.
The disclosure of Chinese military aid comes as the Obama administration is trying to persuade Beijing to join other members of the U.N. Security Council, European Union member states and major non-aligned states such as Brazil to adopt a new set of tough sanctions to punish Iran for its nuclear-arms program.
Proliferation of defense industrial know-how and brain power from Russia, Ukraine and other former Soviet republics to Iran — specifically advanced anti-ship missiles, nuclear technology and ballistic-missile designs — has been at the top of U.S. government concerns since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.
One of the more recent issues is the expected delivery to Iran of state-of-the-art Almaz-Antei S-300 air-defense missiles systems under a contract originally signed in 2005 between Teheran and Russia's Rosoboronexport (ROE), the state-run arms-export agency.
The U.S., Israel and others have objected to Russian S-300 deliveries on the grounds that the missiles will significantly improve Iran's surface-to-air missile network and reduce the chances — if deemed necessary at some point — of successful air strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities.
Iran has made little effort to disguise what analysts say is a modern-day "underground railroad" of Russian and Ukrainian scientists who traveled to the Islamic state on what were officially deemed "tourist" visits or to attend scientific conferences with benign themes.
In reality, the scientists are engaged in assisting numerous Iranian weapons-development programs.
A CIA report to Congress made public in 2009 states that assistance from Chinese and Russian entities "has helped Iran move toward self-sufficiency in the production of ballistic missiles."
Some of this Russian assistance has produced results for Iran, such as the Shafaq fighter/attack aircraft, which has been traced back to aircraft designs developed many years before at the Mikoyan Design Bureau and other aeronautical research centers of the former Soviet Union.
But, over the longer term, Moscow's most significant contribution was encouraging Western nations to concentrate inordinately on the proliferation of people, technology, equipment and skills from Russia and Ukraine to Iran.





Iran's link to China includes nukes, missiles


By Reuben F. Johnson SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES
The same week as the missile launches, Iran's air force announced it has formed the first squadron of Iranian-manufactured Saeqeh, or Thunderbolt, fighter aircraft.
The aircraft is a modified version of the old Northrop F-5 fighter that first saw service in the Vietnam War, but it has some subtle differences, including a new twin vertical tail. It is another conventional-weapons capability that Iran built with Chinese development assistance.
These and other Iranian-Chinese programs may end up having a cumulative effect on the security balance in the region that outweighs the Russian S-300 deal.
But, by far the most alarming transfer of defense technology was an illegal sale made last year to Iran of 108 pressure transducers. Nuclear specialists said these items, which are also known as capacitance diaphragm gauges, would only have been purchased in such large numbers in order to be used to monitor the processing of the gas centrifuges Iran is operating to produce enriched, weapons-grade uranium.
These pressure transducers are in theory prohibited for sale to Iran, but a lengthy investigative report by the Associated Press bureau in Taipei has proved that by using backdated paperwork and false end-user certificates, Chinese agents were able to set up an elaborate daisy chain to conceal the true destination of these components.
The Swiss manufacturers of these components were told that the transducers, which were ordered by its Taiwan-based sales agent, were intended for shipment to Shanghai.
Export licensing paperwork was altered to change the destination to Tehran, where they were received by an Iranian company.
According to the AP, the transaction for the transducer gauges, at first, seemed aboveboard. A Jan. 24, 2009, purchase order shows that Roc-Master Manufacture & Supply Company ordered the gauges for delivery to its Shanghai base. The order — in the amount of $112,303.72 — was placed with Heli-Ocean Technology Co. Ltd., the Taiwanese agent for Swiss manufacturer Inficon Holding AG.
On Feb. 6, Heli-Ocean received an initial payment from Roc-Master and placed an order with Inficon for the transducers, documents show.
Then the situation changed. Roc-Master issued a revised purchase order, backdated to Jan. 24, instructing Heli-Ocean to ship the transducers not to Shanghai, but to the Tehran airport. The consignee was named as Moshever Sanat Moaser, an Iranian company described on its Web site as a provider of specialty alloys and industrial parts.
David Albright from the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington, and the author of the upcoming book "Peddling Peril: How the Secret Nuclear Trade Arms America's Enemies," commented that the Chinese essentially rode to the rescue of Tehran's nuclear program by providing a purchasing channel where all other efforts at acquiring these items had failed.
"The [Iranian] government looked everywhere — Russia, Europe, the U.S. and they were being thwarted by the international community," Mr. Albright said.
European intelligence services have reported that nine out of ten attempts to acquire these transducers had been blocked until now.
China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs has stated that it was unaware of this sale and that all illegal exports of nuclear-related items are forbidden.
But, observers familiar with the trade patterns between the two nations point out that Beijing is not in a position to deny too much of what the Iranians would like to have whether it is legal or not.
Energy-hungry China purchases some 15 percent of its oil and natural gas from Iran and this dependency is only likely to increase over time — as are the demands from Iran for more advanced military technology.





http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/17/irans-link-to-china-includes-nukes-missiles/?page=3





The diversion has made it easier for China to supply the Iranians with a number of weapons — and the industrial capacity to manufacture them — without drawing much attention.
Last week, Iran's naval forces announced test firings of two basic models of anti-ship missiles — a short-range design called the Nasr-1 and Nasr-2 (the two different designs use different types of guidance systems), and a longer-range missile called the Nour.
According to reports from both the Iranian IRIB TV news network and the pro-government Borna news agency, the Nasr-1 and -2 missiles are not only in service with the Iranian military, but there is now a production line in Iran that has the country's Aerospace Industries Organization turning these weapons out in large numbers.
The Nour, which has a range greater than 60 miles, is also produced in Iran and analysts said there is a new version of the missile in development with triple the current range.
According to missile specialists, both weapons were originally developed and built in China, and have been advertised as being in service with the Chinese armed forces.
The Nour is known in China as the C-802 anti-ship cruise missile, and the Nasr is a design that was developed specifically for Iran by China's Hongdu Aviation Group at the beginning of this decade. It has undergone several name changes and configuration alterations, resulting in two competing designs: the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp. (CASIC) weapon designated C-704 and the Hongdu TL-2.
China's history of cooperation with Iran in defense industrial technology dates back almost to the first days of the Islamic Revolution of 1979.
Chinese arms specialists remain among the world's best experts at reverse-engineering foreign weapons, and have produced large numbers of copies of Russian-design weapon systems for decades.
Chinese engineers used that experience to teach Iranian industry how to fabricate parts for Iran's U.S.-made systems inherited during the time of the shah, when Tehran could no longer purchase spares due to the U.S. embargo that remains in place today.
The result is an Iran that can today produce aircraft, missiles, defense electronic systems and various other weapon systems on its own.

[mark1963]

So with US/Israel importing bunker busters into the Indian Ocean, and Iran getting their weaponry from China - all the players are in play.

I do not believe that all the sides are not in this together. This is smoke and mirrors and is intended to kick off a war.

China/USA/Israel/Iran are all partners in this little joint venture.

[sexi_co]

I'm not sure I believe it tbh. It just sounds like Washington rallying support to invade Iran. Ooooo they have weapons of mass destruction... Havnt we heard that somewhere before?
:rolleyes:

[voice_of_asia]

The worse part of this story is that China was directly mentioned in supplying WMDs to Iran. Is this an indication that China is now officially targeted by NATO and co.?

[wolfhead]

I used to follow the blogs of an Aussie 'Conspiracy Theorist' who died a bit too suddenly if you get my drift. I'm ashamed to say that I forgot his name - but he was right about most things.

He reckoned that Russia supplied Iran with their Sunburn Missle system which they in turn have fitted to the planes of the Iraqi Airforce which took refuge there as the invasion started.

Apparently these planes are parked up in high altitude airbases overlooking the Gulf of Hormouz (s'cuse spelling) which is full of US & NATO carriers, none of which have any sea room to retreat if they had to. They are mainly nuclear powered to.

These planes once airborne only have to fly a short distance to launch said missiles at the carriers. These missiles are the fastest moving things on the planet and have so much kinetic energy that they dont require a warhead to sink an aircraft carrier. The Yank missile defence systems have never managed to even draw a bead on them - its gonna be a shooting gallery!

If all this is true, very soon we'll see Iraq getting payback on the Yanks!

I CANNOT FUCKING WAIT!!!

[freeman craig]

those articles are deffo proganda for the americans building up the hype against Iran. not sure how much of it is true but wont be long now i dont think deffo within 2 years. ww3 is still in the planning stage but getting closer and closer each day THIS F^CKING SUCKS

[urbanmonk]

I used to follow the blogs of an Aussie 'Conspiracy Theorist' who died a bit too suddenly if you get my drift. I'm ashamed to say that I forgot his name - but he was right about most things.

He reckoned that Russia supplied Iran with their Sunburn Missle system which they in turn have fitted to the planes of the Iraqi Airforce which took refuge there as the invasion started.

Apparently these planes are parked up in high altitude airbases overlooking the Gulf of Hormouz (s'cuse spelling) which is full of US & NATO carriers, none of which have any sea room to retreat if they had to. They are mainly nuclear powered to.

These planes once airborne only have to fly a short distance to launch said missiles at the carriers. These missiles are the fastest moving things on the planet and have so much kinetic energy that they dont require a warhead to sink an aircraft carrier. The Yank missile defence systems have never managed to even draw a bead on them - its gonna be a shooting gallery!

If all this is true, very soon we'll see Iraq getting payback on the Yanks!

I CANNOT FUCKING WAIT!!!

+1

[jesuitsdidit]

this looks like bad news
making Iran and China out to be credible threats and allies
now we can have WW3..

coz what they want more than anything now
is to find a diversion from the financial mess

and if it means war then war we'll have
it doesnt matter, as long as the diversion is big enough..

[jesuitsdidit]

I used to follow the blogs of an Aussie 'Conspiracy Theorist' who died a bit too suddenly if you get my drift. I'm ashamed to say that I forgot his name - but he was right about most things.

He reckoned that Russia supplied Iran with their Sunburn Missle system which they in turn have fitted to the planes of the Iraqi Airforce which took refuge there as the invasion started.

Apparently these planes are parked up in high altitude airbases overlooking the Gulf of Hormouz (s'cuse spelling) which is full of US & NATO carriers, none of which have any sea room to retreat if they had to. They are mainly nuclear powered to.

These planes once airborne only have to fly a short distance to launch said missiles at the carriers. These missiles are the fastest moving things on the planet and have so much kinetic energy that they dont require a warhead to sink an aircraft carrier. The Yank missile defence systems have never managed to even draw a bead on them - its gonna be a shooting gallery!

If all this is true, very soon we'll see Iraq getting payback on the Yanks!

I CANNOT FUCKING WAIT!!!

those planes wont even get off the ground matey
theyll be taken down
BUT bcoz the aggression is necessary to justify full-scale war / invasion of Iran (whichever is their preferred option)
theyll be allowed thru
thats the way it goes nowadays

create the enemy
spark the war
achieve yr desired outcome

time to realise its all staged
if you cant see it,
take it from someone who can..

[keystone]

Errm - China has been arming Iran for more than 20 years. This is not new. N Korea have been supplying them too!

[neutrino]

WW3?

Can't wait. Beats sitting here at my computer twiddling my thumbs.

[yass]

So with US/Israel importing bunker busters into the Indian Ocean, and Iran getting their weaponry from China - all the players are in play.

I do not believe that all the sides are not in this together. This is smoke and mirrors and is intended to kick off a war.

China/USA/Israel/Iran are all partners in this little joint venture.

Please don't leave out Britain who essentially paved the way and established the State of Israel with the Belfour Act and essentially is the head of Israel... and the United States and Canada (and Mexico soon if the NAU gets established).

[hadabusa]

Errm - China has been arming Iran for more than 20 years. This is not new. N Korea have been supplying them too!

hi cornerstone.

long time no see:cool:



so, is any any yankee shitting his panties about these DEFENSE devices?

:D

[choosewisely]

KIEV | Recent developments in Iran confirm that China is providing Tehran with critical defense technologies and weapons systems, including some that violate stated Chinese policies aimed at preventing nuclear proliferation.
The disclosure of Chinese military aid comes as the Obama administration is trying to persuade Beijing to join other members of the U.N. Security Council, European Union member states and major non-aligned states such as Brazil to adopt a new set of tough sanctions to punish Iran for its nuclear-arms program.
Proliferation of defense industrial know-how and brain power from Russia, Ukraine and other former Soviet republics to Iran — specifically advanced anti-ship missiles, nuclear technology and ballistic-missile designs — has been at the top of U.S. government concerns since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.
One of the more recent issues is the expected delivery to Iran of state-of-the-art Almaz-Antei S-300 air-defense missiles systems under a contract originally signed in 2005 between Teheran and Russia's Rosoboronexport (ROE), the state-run arms-export agency.
The U.S., Israel and others have objected to Russian S-300 deliveries on the grounds that the missiles will significantly improve Iran's surface-to-air missile network and reduce the chances — if deemed necessary at some point — of successful air strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities.
Iran has made little effort to disguise what analysts say is a modern-day "underground railroad" of Russian and Ukrainian scientists who traveled to the Islamic state on what were officially deemed "tourist" visits or to attend scientific conferences with benign themes.
In reality, the scientists are engaged in assisting numerous Iranian weapons-development programs.
A CIA report to Congress made public in 2009 states that assistance from Chinese and Russian entities "has helped Iran move toward self-sufficiency in the production of ballistic missiles."
Some of this Russian assistance has produced results for Iran, such as the Shafaq fighter/attack aircraft, which has been traced back to aircraft designs developed many years before at the Mikoyan Design Bureau and other aeronautical research centers of the former Soviet Union.
But, over the longer term, Moscow's most significant contribution was encouraging Western nations to concentrate inordinately on the proliferation of people, technology, equipment and skills from Russia and Ukraine to Iran.





Iran's link to China includes nukes, missiles


By Reuben F. Johnson SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES
The same week as the missile launches, Iran's air force announced it has formed the first squadron of Iranian-manufactured Saeqeh, or Thunderbolt, fighter aircraft.
The aircraft is a modified version of the old Northrop F-5 fighter that first saw service in the Vietnam War, but it has some subtle differences, including a new twin vertical tail. It is another conventional-weapons capability that Iran built with Chinese development assistance.
These and other Iranian-Chinese programs may end up having a cumulative effect on the security balance in the region that outweighs the Russian S-300 deal.
But, by far the most alarming transfer of defense technology was an illegal sale made last year to Iran of 108 pressure transducers. Nuclear specialists said these items, which are also known as capacitance diaphragm gauges, would only have been purchased in such large numbers in order to be used to monitor the processing of the gas centrifuges Iran is operating to produce enriched, weapons-grade uranium.
These pressure transducers are in theory prohibited for sale to Iran, but a lengthy investigative report by the Associated Press bureau in Taipei has proved that by using backdated paperwork and false end-user certificates, Chinese agents were able to set up an elaborate daisy chain to conceal the true destination of these components.
The Swiss manufacturers of these components were told that the transducers, which were ordered by its Taiwan-based sales agent, were intended for shipment to Shanghai.
Export licensing paperwork was altered to change the destination to Tehran, where they were received by an Iranian company.
According to the AP, the transaction for the transducer gauges, at first, seemed aboveboard. A Jan. 24, 2009, purchase order shows that Roc-Master Manufacture & Supply Company ordered the gauges for delivery to its Shanghai base. The order — in the amount of $112,303.72 — was placed with Heli-Ocean Technology Co. Ltd., the Taiwanese agent for Swiss manufacturer Inficon Holding AG.
On Feb. 6, Heli-Ocean received an initial payment from Roc-Master and placed an order with Inficon for the transducers, documents show.
Then the situation changed. Roc-Master issued a revised purchase order, backdated to Jan. 24, instructing Heli-Ocean to ship the transducers not to Shanghai, but to the Tehran airport. The consignee was named as Moshever Sanat Moaser, an Iranian company described on its Web site as a provider of specialty alloys and industrial parts.
David Albright from the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington, and the author of the upcoming book "Peddling Peril: How the Secret Nuclear Trade Arms America's Enemies," commented that the Chinese essentially rode to the rescue of Tehran's nuclear program by providing a purchasing channel where all other efforts at acquiring these items had failed.
"The [Iranian] government looked everywhere — Russia, Europe, the U.S. and they were being thwarted by the international community," Mr. Albright said.
European intelligence services have reported that nine out of ten attempts to acquire these transducers had been blocked until now.
China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs has stated that it was unaware of this sale and that all illegal exports of nuclear-related items are forbidden.
But, observers familiar with the trade patterns between the two nations point out that Beijing is not in a position to deny too much of what the Iranians would like to have whether it is legal or not.
Energy-hungry China purchases some 15 percent of its oil and natural gas from Iran and this dependency is only likely to increase over time — as are the demands from Iran for more advanced military technology.





http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/17/irans-link-to-china-includes-nukes-missiles/?page=3





The diversion has made it easier for China to supply the Iranians with a number of weapons — and the industrial capacity to manufacture them — without drawing much attention.
Last week, Iran's naval forces announced test firings of two basic models of anti-ship missiles — a short-range design called the Nasr-1 and Nasr-2 (the two different designs use different types of guidance systems), and a longer-range missile called the Nour.
According to reports from both the Iranian IRIB TV news network and the pro-government Borna news agency, the Nasr-1 and -2 missiles are not only in service with the Iranian military, but there is now a production line in Iran that has the country's Aerospace Industries Organization turning these weapons out in large numbers.
The Nour, which has a range greater than 60 miles, is also produced in Iran and analysts said there is a new version of the missile in development with triple the current range.
According to missile specialists, both weapons were originally developed and built in China, and have been advertised as being in service with the Chinese armed forces.
The Nour is known in China as the C-802 anti-ship cruise missile, and the Nasr is a design that was developed specifically for Iran by China's Hongdu Aviation Group at the beginning of this decade. It has undergone several name changes and configuration alterations, resulting in two competing designs: the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp. (CASIC) weapon designated C-704 and the Hongdu TL-2.
China's history of cooperation with Iran in defense industrial technology dates back almost to the first days of the Islamic Revolution of 1979.
Chinese arms specialists remain among the world's best experts at reverse-engineering foreign weapons, and have produced large numbers of copies of Russian-design weapon systems for decades.
Chinese engineers used that experience to teach Iranian industry how to fabricate parts for Iran's U.S.-made systems inherited during the time of the shah, when Tehran could no longer purchase spares due to the U.S. embargo that remains in place today.
The result is an Iran that can today produce aircraft, missiles, defense electronic systems and various other weapon systems on its own.

WOW what a post. Actually this fits in with the post made before here linking to the project camelot website and the write up of the "Anglo-Saxon Project".

Have a read of it. Some interesting material indeed.

[azureangel]

So with US/Israel importing bunker busters into the Indian Ocean, and Iran getting their weaponry from China - all the players are in play.

I do not believe that all the sides are not in this together. This is smoke and mirrors and is intended to kick off a war.

China/USA/Israel/Iran are all partners in this little joint venture.

Fortunately the interdimensionals frequently disarm these weapons. I suspect we'd not be here without their intervention. See Disclosure Project for questions...Love, angel

[keystone]

hi cornerstone.

long time no see:cool:Greets back attcha. Yes took a break. I was getting bored with some of the Pythonesque squabbling and some family issues took priority.


so, is any any yankee shitting his panties about these DEFENSE devices?:DSome of the stuff they've had for a very long time is downright offensive if they chose it to be. So I guess the answer is prolly yes.

[purple rain]

WW3?

Can't wait. Beats sitting here at my computer twiddling my thumbs.


So this is fun and spectacle for you is it? A little war to relieve the boredom the same way conspiracy theories are entertainment for many.

I suppose no one you know lives in those areas that will be targetted by the US.

The only way I would 'support' this war would be if Iran manages to give the US a good hiding, as unlikely as that would seem. But that won't happen without massive civilian casualties in Iran. And you can't wait for it to happen so your days are more interesting. Nice sentiment.

[eternal wheel]

Fortunately the interdimensionals frequently disarm these weapons.
:D:D:D:D:D:rolleyes:

[jakemaverick]

gr8 stuff!!!

[iaintoff]

those planes wont even get off the ground matey
theyll be taken down
BUT bcoz the aggression is necessary to justify full-scale war / invasion of Iran (whichever is their preferred option)
theyll be allowed thru
thats the way it goes nowadays

create the enemy
spark the war
achieve yr desired outcome

time to realise its all staged
if you cant see it,
take it from someone who can..

i agree i think the american ptb would love another pearl harbour type situation over there, just the excuse they'd need me thinks...

yawn it all gets so boring, i wish everyone would just get on with it all ready, or be done with it forver...

[neutrino]

So this is fun and spectacle for you is it? A little war to relieve the boredom the same way conspiracy theories are entertainment for many.

I suppose no one you know lives in those areas that will be targetted by the US.

The only way I would 'support' this war would be if Iran manages to give the US a good hiding, as unlikely as that would seem. But that won't happen without massive civilian casualties in Iran. And you can't wait for it to happen so your days are more interesting. Nice sentiment.

It was Sarcasm (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm).

Like this:- WW3? Can't wait, will give me something new to jerk off to.

But on a more serious note, looking at what you said I see a fault in it. If WW3 kicks off people I know including myself will certainly be living in "those areas" because we'll all be in the receiving end of a nuclear bomb.
Nobody will be safe when it's WW3.

[the apprentice]

I used to follow the blogs of an Aussie 'Conspiracy Theorist' who died a bit too suddenly if you get my drift. I'm ashamed to say that I forgot his name - but he was right about most things.

He reckoned that Russia supplied Iran with their Sunburn Missle system which they in turn have fitted to the planes of the Iraqi Airforce which took refuge there as the invasion started.

Apparently these planes are parked up in high altitude airbases overlooking the Gulf of Hormouz (s'cuse spelling) which is full of US & NATO carriers, none of which have any sea room to retreat if they had to. They are mainly nuclear powered to.

These planes once airborne only have to fly a short distance to launch said missiles at the carriers. These missiles are the fastest moving things on the planet and have so much kinetic energy that they dont require a warhead to sink an aircraft carrier. The Yank missile defence systems have never managed to even draw a bead on them - its gonna be a shooting gallery!

If all this is true, very soon we'll see Iraq getting payback on the Yanks!

I CANNOT FUCKING WAIT!!!

Hey wolfy

Best make sure your loved ones etc are safe if you want this thing to happen, because your gonna need a bloody good place to hide or they are dust man, have a really good think about what your saying here.

[wolfhead]

Hey wolfy

Best make sure your loved ones etc are safe if you want this thing to happen, because your gonna need a bloody good place to hide or they are dust man, have a really good think about what your saying here.

I think WW3 is inevitable. My stance is one of the rabbit caught in the headlights of a speeding jugernaut - all you can do is give it the finger and shout "FUCK YOU" at as it splats you.

The Yanks need WW3 like they needed the other two, they are a military economy and cannot survive without regular war. The little ones just aren't paying the bills. The idoits think they can win a nuclear wa so the rest of us are toast.

[uksecretcourts]

I used to follow the blogs of an Aussie 'Conspiracy Theorist' who died a bit too suddenly if you get my drift. I'm ashamed to say that I forgot his name - but he was right about most things.

He reckoned that Russia supplied Iran with their Sunburn Missle system which they in turn have fitted to the planes of the Iraqi Airforce which took refuge there as the invasion started.

Apparently these planes are parked up in high altitude airbases overlooking the Gulf of Hormouz (s'cuse spelling) which is full of US & NATO carriers, none of which have any sea room to retreat if they had to. They are mainly nuclear powered to.

These planes once airborne only have to fly a short distance to launch said missiles at the carriers. These missiles are the fastest moving things on the planet and have so much kinetic energy that they dont require a warhead to sink an aircraft carrier. The Yank missile defence systems have never managed to even draw a bead on them - its gonna be a shooting gallery!

If all this is true, very soon we'll see Iraq getting payback on the Yanks!

I CANNOT FUCKING WAIT!!!


Wow, I didn't know about the Sunburn Missiles. Thanks, as this corrobates a lot of stuff I've read.

Iran wants to be the one to take down Israel.


Russia in the last month, authorised pre emptive nuclear strikes.
So she can legally under her own laws attack Israel now.

ummh. and China is ignoring Clinton at every turn. America is annoying the hell out of chiina (visiting the Dala lama, selling arms to Taiwan).

The Zionist stated aim is if Israel goes down she's taking everyone else with her. And intends to attack Europe as a last strike.
Will the US have the stomach to protect israel while she's launching nukes at Italy or the UK? I doubt that very much.

Yes, the end is near. And Israel will lose. Game over.

The point is, how many other people will die for the insanity of the current Israeli govt? So when it starts - Russia will have to punch hard to knock over the entire country as fast as possible. Which makes me believe this war could actually start with nukes, not end with them.

[wolfhead]

Wow, I didn't know about the Sunburn Missiles. Thanks, as this corrobates a lot of stuff I've read.

Iran wants to be the one to take down Israel.


Russia in the last month, authorised pre emptive nuclear strikes.
So she can legally under her own laws attack Israel now.

ummh. and China is ignoring Clinton at every turn. America is annoying the hell out of chiina (visiting the Dala lama, selling arms to Taiwan).

The Zionist stated aim is if Israel goes down she's taking everyone else with her. And intends to attack Europe as a last strike.
Will the US have the stomach to protect israel while she's launching nukes at Italy or the UK? I doubt that very much.

Yes, the end is near. And Israel will lose. Game over.

The point is, how many other people will die for the insanity of the current Israeli govt? So when it starts - Russia will have to punch hard to knock over the entire country as fast as possible. Which makes me believe this war could actually start with nukes, not end with them.

I'm of the same opinion. Someone has to nuke Israel totally out of the blue else if they get wind of it they'll nuke europe as they go down. I think the yanks will stand back when the nukes start flying as they are a bunch of spineless cowards - which is why its very likely they will strike Iran 1st. Personally I admire Iran's bravery. Mind you I thought Saddam was a very brave man to.

[xeon]

The war is supposed to kick off next year, not this year. All the signs seem to point to a war no matter what Iran says or does, just like what happened with Iraq.

I just think if they are gonna do it regardless of whatever happens, why keep the world in suspense....

A bunch of drama junkies.

[bobbydiva]

Ohh but of course Iran is now supplying the Taliban.

[turquoisefire777]

"China Arming Iran includes nukes, missiles"

yes, not too many people have caught on to the fact that middle eastern countries/religions are the dogs of the annunaki reptilians, being steamed up against the west...

alot of middle easterners are stupid, that's why they can fall for it so easliy.

[strengthofknowledge]

they are ALL in on it. isnt there only 1 country left that isnt fucking with the banking system everyone else has? go figure. sadam didnt either- look what happened to him

[strengthofknowledge]

"China Arming Iran includes nukes, missiles"

yes, not too many people have caught on to the fact that middle eastern countries/religions are the dogs of the annunaki reptilians, being steamed up against the west...

alot of middle easterners are stupid, that's why they can fall for it so easliy.

a lot of HUMANS are Stupid- thats why we ALL fall for stupid bullshit at times. everyone has there flaws- no ones perfect- no race- no religion- we are ALL IDIOTS

[godspeed]

Take the toys from the boys

They are sending us all backwards

FIGHT WAR NOT WARS

[turquoisefire777]

a lot of HUMANS are Stupid- thats why we ALL fall for stupid bullshit at times. everyone has there flaws- no ones perfect- no race- no religion- we are ALL IDIOTS

i'll agree that there are plenty of stupid people on both sides of the chopstick AND the burka, but at least I am distancing myself from stupidity. yes? of course.:)

[jesuitsdidit]

alot of middle easterners are stupid, that's why they can fall for it so easliy.

could you explain your reasoning behind this remark please?

[turquoisefire777]

could you explain your reasoning behind this remark please?

simple. many people aren't aware when they are having their strings pulled for the benefit of something other than themse,ves. and quite frankly, the actions they take and beliefs they subscribe to is quite detrimental to themselves which has been spoonfed to them in many different ways.

[wolfhead]

The war is supposed to kick off next year, not this year. All the signs seem to point to a war no matter what Iran says or does, just like what happened with Iraq.

I just think if they are gonna do it regardless of whatever happens, why keep the world in suspense....

A bunch of drama junkies.

It seems more and more likely that Iraq was always a staging post for the big prize - Iran.

Remember when the yanks caused the war between them and then financed and supplied both side? It could be that was meant to weaken them for later on. The 12 year UN embargo on Iraq was simply a good old fashioned seige.

Obviously, Isreal is behind the scenes pulling strings and whispering in ears.

[jesuitsdidit]

Obviously, Isreal is behind the scenes pulling strings and whispering in ears.

which is controlled by Zionists, not Jews..

[jesuitsdidit]

alot of middle easterners are stupid, that's why they can fall for it so easliy.

thats funny bcoz ive always found them charming, intelligent, witty, pleasant and polite

maybe weve been meeting different middle easterners?

[jesuitsdidit]

^
I AM A MUSLIM!

I AM A MUSLIM! - YouTube

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQXh20OuhIc&feature=fvw

[jesuitsdidit]

alot of middle easterners are stupid, that's why they can fall for it so easliy.

^
I AM A MUSLIM!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQXh20OuhIc&feature=fvw

enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQXh20OuhIc&feature=fvw

this video will hopefully persuade you that not all middle easterners are stupid

[turquoisefire777]

this video will hopefully persuade you that not all middle easterners are stupid

what? you think i've never met a nice middle easterner? i have. my point is the many always seem to fester off of the good graces of the few who are for real...in any culture etc, etc.

but again my point is that it makes it so much easier for asians who want to control the world to drum up as much anti-western mindsets as possible, to then go ahead and take control.

and yet, i'm not blindly pro-western. it's just the scumbags of the west have been exposed by the likes of Icke and Jones...but what about the scumbags of rest of the world?

[wolfhead]

which is controlled by Zionists, not Jews..

I know the difference. I hate Zionists and I'm very distrustful of Jews. I like them as much as they like us.

[jesuitsdidit]

yes, not too many people have caught on to the fact that middle eastern countries/religions are the dogs of the annunaki reptilians, being steamed up against the west...

alot of middle easterners are stupid, that's why they can fall for it so easliy.

i think most middle easterners get steamed up against the west bcoz they see us as stupid, arrogant, cruel, deceitful, greedy and short-sighted
and i am inclined to agree with them?

[jesuitsdidit]

i think most middle easterners get steamed up against the west bcoz they see us as stupid, arrogant, cruel, deceitful, greedy and short-sighted
and i am inclined to agree with them?

not that we are all individually bad
but the system that governs us as well as them is..

[turquoisefire777]

i think most middle easterners get steamed up against the west bcoz they see us as stupid, arrogant, cruel, deceitful, greedy and short-sighted
and i am inclined to agree with them?

to an extent that could be true, but i'll tell you the ultimate truth about why they really hate the west, and it's because of envy. envy, envy, envy.
just like what happened between cain and abel.

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0711/envy-anime-demotivational-poster-1194105838.jpg

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0711/envy-anime-demotivational-poster-1194105838.jpg

[anthony1965]

KIEV | Recent developments in Iran confirm that China is providing Tehran with critical defense technologies and weapons systems, including some that violate stated Chinese policies aimed at preventing nuclear proliferation.
The disclosure of Chinese military aid comes as the Obama administration is trying to persuade Beijing to join other members of the U.N. Security Council, European Union member states and major non-aligned states such as Brazil to adopt a new set of tough sanctions to punish Iran for its nuclear-arms program.
Proliferation of defense industrial know-how and brain power from Russia, Ukraine and other former Soviet republics to Iran — specifically advanced anti-ship missiles, nuclear technology and ballistic-missile designs — has been at the top of U.S. government concerns since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.
One of the more recent issues is the expected delivery to Iran of state-of-the-art Almaz-Antei S-300 air-defense missiles systems under a contract originally signed in 2005 between Teheran and Russia's Rosoboronexport (ROE), the state-run arms-export agency.
The U.S., Israel and others have objected to Russian S-300 deliveries on the grounds that the missiles will significantly improve Iran's surface-to-air missile network and reduce the chances — if deemed necessary at some point — of successful air strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities.
Iran has made little effort to disguise what analysts say is a modern-day "underground railroad" of Russian and Ukrainian scientists who traveled to the Islamic state on what were officially deemed "tourist" visits or to attend scientific conferences with benign themes.
In reality, the scientists are engaged in assisting numerous Iranian weapons-development programs.
A CIA report to Congress made public in 2009 states that assistance from Chinese and Russian entities "has helped Iran move toward self-sufficiency in the production of ballistic missiles."
Some of this Russian assistance has produced results for Iran, such as the Shafaq fighter/attack aircraft, which has been traced back to aircraft designs developed many years before at the Mikoyan Design Bureau and other aeronautical research centers of the former Soviet Union.
But, over the longer term, Moscow's most significant contribution was encouraging Western nations to concentrate inordinately on the proliferation of people, technology, equipment and skills from Russia and Ukraine to Iran.





Iran's link to China includes nukes, missiles


By Reuben F. Johnson SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES
The same week as the missile launches, Iran's air force announced it has formed the first squadron of Iranian-manufactured Saeqeh, or Thunderbolt, fighter aircraft.
The aircraft is a modified version of the old Northrop F-5 fighter that first saw service in the Vietnam War, but it has some subtle differences, including a new twin vertical tail. It is another conventional-weapons capability that Iran built with Chinese development assistance.
These and other Iranian-Chinese programs may end up having a cumulative effect on the security balance in the region that outweighs the Russian S-300 deal.
But, by far the most alarming transfer of defense technology was an illegal sale made last year to Iran of 108 pressure transducers. Nuclear specialists said these items, which are also known as capacitance diaphragm gauges, would only have been purchased in such large numbers in order to be used to monitor the processing of the gas centrifuges Iran is operating to produce enriched, weapons-grade uranium.
These pressure transducers are in theory prohibited for sale to Iran, but a lengthy investigative report by the Associated Press bureau in Taipei has proved that by using backdated paperwork and false end-user certificates, Chinese agents were able to set up an elaborate daisy chain to conceal the true destination of these components.
The Swiss manufacturers of these components were told that the transducers, which were ordered by its Taiwan-based sales agent, were intended for shipment to Shanghai.
Export licensing paperwork was altered to change the destination to Tehran, where they were received by an Iranian company.
According to the AP, the transaction for the transducer gauges, at first, seemed aboveboard. A Jan. 24, 2009, purchase order shows that Roc-Master Manufacture & Supply Company ordered the gauges for delivery to its Shanghai base. The order — in the amount of $112,303.72 — was placed with Heli-Ocean Technology Co. Ltd., the Taiwanese agent for Swiss manufacturer Inficon Holding AG.
On Feb. 6, Heli-Ocean received an initial payment from Roc-Master and placed an order with Inficon for the transducers, documents show.
Then the situation changed. Roc-Master issued a revised purchase order, backdated to Jan. 24, instructing Heli-Ocean to ship the transducers not to Shanghai, but to the Tehran airport. The consignee was named as Moshever Sanat Moaser, an Iranian company described on its Web site as a provider of specialty alloys and industrial parts.
David Albright from the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington, and the author of the upcoming book "Peddling Peril: How the Secret Nuclear Trade Arms America's Enemies," commented that the Chinese essentially rode to the rescue of Tehran's nuclear program by providing a purchasing channel where all other efforts at acquiring these items had failed.
"The [Iranian] government looked everywhere — Russia, Europe, the U.S. and they were being thwarted by the international community," Mr. Albright said.
European intelligence services have reported that nine out of ten attempts to acquire these transducers had been blocked until now.
China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs has stated that it was unaware of this sale and that all illegal exports of nuclear-related items are forbidden.
But, observers familiar with the trade patterns between the two nations point out that Beijing is not in a position to deny too much of what the Iranians would like to have whether it is legal or not.
Energy-hungry China purchases some 15 percent of its oil and natural gas from Iran and this dependency is only likely to increase over time — as are the demands from Iran for more advanced military technology.





http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/17/irans-link-to-china-includes-nukes-missiles/?page=3





The diversion has made it easier for China to supply the Iranians with a number of weapons — and the industrial capacity to manufacture them — without drawing much attention.
Last week, Iran's naval forces announced test firings of two basic models of anti-ship missiles — a short-range design called the Nasr-1 and Nasr-2 (the two different designs use different types of guidance systems), and a longer-range missile called the Nour.
According to reports from both the Iranian IRIB TV news network and the pro-government Borna news agency, the Nasr-1 and -2 missiles are not only in service with the Iranian military, but there is now a production line in Iran that has the country's Aerospace Industries Organization turning these weapons out in large numbers.
The Nour, which has a range greater than 60 miles, is also produced in Iran and analysts said there is a new version of the missile in development with triple the current range.
According to missile specialists, both weapons were originally developed and built in China, and have been advertised as being in service with the Chinese armed forces.
The Nour is known in China as the C-802 anti-ship cruise missile, and the Nasr is a design that was developed specifically for Iran by China's Hongdu Aviation Group at the beginning of this decade. It has undergone several name changes and configuration alterations, resulting in two competing designs: the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp. (CASIC) weapon designated C-704 and the Hongdu TL-2.
China's history of cooperation with Iran in defense industrial technology dates back almost to the first days of the Islamic Revolution of 1979.
Chinese arms specialists remain among the world's best experts at reverse-engineering foreign weapons, and have produced large numbers of copies of Russian-design weapon systems for decades.
Chinese engineers used that experience to teach Iranian industry how to fabricate parts for Iran's U.S.-made systems inherited during the time of the shah, when Tehran could no longer purchase spares due to the U.S. embargo that remains in place today.
The result is an Iran that can today produce aircraft, missiles, defense electronic systems and various other weapon systems on its own.

For fuck's sake people use your fucking noggins when reading a post entitled "China Arming Iran Includes Nukes, Missiles" from our resident zionist shit stirrer and hate monger.

How many of you took the trouble to check the sources listed in the articles?

Let's take a look shall we:

1: CIA: "A CIA report to Congress made public in 2009 states that assistance from Chinese and Russian entities "has helped Iran move toward self-sufficiency in the production of ballistic missiles."

Does anyone still believe this crock of shit?

Some do?

Okay.

2: David Albright David Albright from the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington, and the author of the upcoming book "Peddling Peril: How the Secret Nuclear Trade Arms America's Enemies," commented that the Chinese essentially rode to the rescue of Tehran's nuclear program by providing a purchasing channel where all other efforts at acquiring these items had failed.

His organization can be abbreviated ISIS. Just a coincidence.

In 2001 Albright prepared an analysis, for CNN, of documents found in an abandoned Al Qaeda safe house in Kabul believed to have been used by Abu Khabbab, who they described as "Osama bin Laden's top chemical and biological weapons commander."[1] Albright, confirmed the abandoned documents included plans for a nuclear bomb, and extensive training notes on the handling of radiological material.

:eek:

Al Qaeda had plans for a nuclear bomb! :eek:

Anyone still believe these sources?

Here is David Albright. Look deep into those lying eyes:

http://www.uskoreainstitute.org/bin/x/g/albright.jpg

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9395

Francis A. Boyle: On the case against Bush and potential war with Iran

http://www.archive.org/details/FrancisA.BoyleOnTheCaseAgainstBushAndPotentialWarW ithIran
June 18, 2008

George W. Bush could be indicted at the state level for murder with malice aforethought, that according to internationally recognized legal expert Francis A. Boyle of the School of Law at the University of Illinois.

According to Boyle, President Bush deceived US soldiers about the reason for sending them to Iraq. Thus, he argues, the 4100 US soldiers who have died in Iraq thus far were murdered. Professor Boyle sees a variety of cases that could be brought and he believes it would take just one indictment and the whole house of cards would fall.

We also discuss the latest foreboding headlines on Iran. During his visit to Europe President George W. Bush met with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and the two leaders outlined plans for sanctions on a leading Iranian bank plus possible limits on Iran's ability to ship oil. While in Europe President George W. Bush has referred to a desire for diplomacy with Iran while adding all options are still on the table. Bush announced a new plan to prevent Iran from shipping oil. Shortly after that George Bush and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown announced a plan to sanction Iran's largest bank.

The Washington Post and CNN reported this week that Pakistani nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan provided a Swiss smuggling ring with blueprints for an advanced warhead. The reports specifically mentioned that Iran, North Korea, and other countries, could have acquired these plans. A.Q. Khan, Abdul Qadeer Khan, was arrested in 2003, and these and similar stories appear to trace back to a computer and other equipment seized then.

The source for this story was former top U.N. arms inspector David Albright. David Albright has been controversial since 2003 when he continued to argue that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction programs long after others gave up that argument. Albright maintained they may have been smaller than the White House alleged.

The Associated Press has now interviewed A.Q. Khan by phone to Islamabad where he is under house arrest. He told A.P. that David Albright's report is quote: "All concoction" and "a pack of lies". He argued that Albright is working for the CIA, and claimed the latest reports are part of a campaign to pressure Pakistan.

The U.S. is of course applying pressure in the form of air attacks in Pakistan near the Afghan border. Tensions are rising and Jane Perlez reported in the International Herald Tribune that Pakistani soldiers and others in the country are enraged about the US air strike that killed 11 soldiers from the Frontier Corps, a paramilitary force Washington has been spending $400 million to train.

Francis A. Boyle is highly skeptical about the report from David Albright.

And so am I. :mad:

This thread is a piece of fear mongering and evil shit.

Which reminds me of something, or should I say, someone....

[jesuitsdidit]

to an extent that could be true, but i'll tell you the ultimate truth about why they really hate the west, and it's because of envy. envy, envy, envy.
just like what happened between cain and abel.


envy, no
repulsion at our lies and murder, yes..

[turquoisefire777]

envy, no
repulsion at our lies and murder, yes..

if i was to answer this post the way i want to right now it will take too much time.

all i can say is that i'm not trying to brush with the broad brush. but i've been around the world and met with many different people. and even if it's not the average asian showing envy (not always), it sure as shit is the insecurities of the ones at the top who orchestarted the wars in the middle east.

and anyway...since when is china such a humanitarian country? it's currently trying very hard not to answer to the evil consciousnesses trying to take it over for world domination.

asians at the top are shitting their pants that they cannot control the west. simple as.

[rodin]

So this is fun and spectacle for you is it? A little war to relieve the boredom the same way conspiracy theories are entertainment for many.

I suppose no one you know lives in those areas that will be targetted by the US.

The only way I would 'support' this war would be if Iran manages to give the US a good hiding, as unlikely as that would seem. But that won't happen without massive civilian casualties in Iran. And you can't wait for it to happen so your days are more interesting. Nice sentiment.

For once I agree with you

Don't expect it to become a habit though...