Boss: 'I'd rather employ paedos than soldiers'

[nofuture]

A RANTING company boss has caused outrage by claiming that he would rather employ a PAEDOPHILE than one of our brave troops.
Karl Winn, 60, said he would "recruit ex-drug dealers, convicts and child molesters" instead of former servicemen or women.



Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2893828/Ranting-Karl-Winn-Id-rather-employ-a-paedo-than-a-hero.html#mySunComments#ixzz0iKcUHL4K

[eternal wheel]

maybe their duties will include doing the banking and looking after his kids......

[halliburton crusher]

"brave" troops. the troops are the scum of the earth.

study this list of ransackers

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=20882

Zundel-Cole 2 of 3 - YouTube

Zundel-Cole 3 of 3 - YouTube

[ppd343]

A RANTING company boss has caused outrage by claiming that he would rather employ a PAEDOPHILE than one of our brave troops.
Karl Winn, 60, said he would "recruit ex-drug dealers, convicts and child molesters" instead of former servicemen or women.



Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2893828/Ranting-Karl-Winn-Id-rather-employ-a-paedo-than-a-hero.html#mySunComments#ixzz0iKcUHL4K
I used to think they were brave. Brave in a way where it was honorable. They are still brave because they have to face danger. However most of them have turned into nothing but mindless pawns that follow orders to kill illegally, and a lot of them LIKE it.


If everyone denied to fight, what power would the criminals in charge have? Those who are part of the conflict are the ones still fueling this illegal battle. I know some of them are trying to do their best, but they need to put down their guns.

[knightofthegrail]

Tactless and ill-conceived but in many ways understandable :(

I get more than a little :rolleyes: at the way "Hero" is the sticky label of choice for the strong arm of colonialist expansion - society looks gradually more like "Starship Troopers" or "Warhammer 40k" as each year goes by :(

[nofuture]

If the Sun and others want to shout this guy down it only proves that he has hit a raw nerve.

[romas]

Only brave troop is the dumbass who's in it to kill people.

[wolfhead]

I watched a Youtube vid (obviously not on there now) about a Texas Ranger who told how they were ordered to kill as many civilians as possible in the initial invasion so that the population were terrified of them.

He said that the US Marines and the US Army raced each other up the motorways on either side of the Tigris River and destroyed every vehicle on the way to Bagdad. They hit Bagdad on the evening rush-hour as floods of unknowing commuters were heading home to the suburbs. He said that not a single person survived it. He estimated that he killed over 100 civilians on that one day - and he was just a grunt. The machine gunners, tanks, bombers etc must have really notched up the kills. He said he watched a tank drive over a commuter bus full of people as it stopped to let people off. Then he went on to relate how they were ordered to move through sections of the city killing every single humam they met - Shock & Awe at work.

It was called operation 'Point of the Sword'.

[amaralsright]

Last weekend I attended a football league match.

We had a minutes applause immediately prior to kick-off for all our serving troops.

I was puzzled.

This was the latest in a line of militarist things at football matches there has been at least 3 already this season.

I'm getting sick of the propaganda.

[nofuture]

I watched a Youtube vid (obviously not on there now) about a Texas Ranger who told how they were ordered to kill as many civilians as possible in the initial invasion so that the population were terrified of them.

He said that the US Marines and the US Army raced each other up the motorways on either side of the Tigris River and destroyed every vehicle on the way to Bagdad. They hit Bagdad on the evening rush-hour as floods of unknowing commuters were heading home to the suburbs. He said that not a single person survived it. He estimated that he killed over 100 civilians on that one day - and he was just a grunt. The machine gunners, tanks, bombers etc must have really notched up the kills. He said he watched a tank drive over a commuter bus full of people as it stopped to let people off. Then he went on to relate how they were ordered to move through sections of the city killing every single humam they met - Shock & Awe at work.

It was called operation 'Point of the Sword'.


Isn't liberation great.

[eternal wheel]

troops are the scum of the earth.

i wonder if that'll still be you attitude when the only thing that stands between your liberty, freedom and freedom of speach is them??:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[wolfhead]

i wonder if that'll still be you attitude when the only thing that stands between your liberty, freedom and freedom of speach is them??:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Um, what are they then?

[lizzy]

i wonder if that'll still be you attitude when the only thing that stands between your liberty, freedom and freedom of speach is them??:rolleyes::rolleyes:

yup, this is why ex-soldiers' are being marginalized , they know how to fight and some understand the real reasons behind their deployments.;)
In the States, those who return with any emotional / stress related conditions are being prohibited from carrying a firearm for life.

[wolfhead]

yup, this is why ex-soldiers' are being marginalized , they know how to fight and some understand the real reasons behind their deployments.;)
In the States, those who return with any emotional / stress related conditions are being prohibited from carrying a firearm for life.

Here in the UK they are welcomed into the Police force and then let lose on the population at large.

[jiffy]

i wonder if that'll still be you attitude when the only thing that stands between your liberty, freedom and freedom of speach is them??:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sorry is that statement made with Irony:confused:

Think you may of watched one to many war films my friend.

Freedom of speech, your right to vote, 5 day working week, 38 hour week, safety at work, YOUR LIBERTY ....was never won on a battlefield.

It was fault for by millions of hard working, brave, working class people, aided by Unions. Many of which lost their lives and or livelihoods. Which I may add were snubbed out by the elites thugs......soldiers, police, and paid mercenaries ect :rolleyes:

[wolfhead]

Sorry is that statement made with Irony:confused:

Think you may of watched one to many war films my friend.

Freedom of speech, your right to vote, 5 day working week, 38 hour week, safety at work, YOUR LIBERTY ....was never won on a battlefield.

It was fault for by millions of hard working, brave, working class people, aided by Unions. Many of which lost their lives and or livelihoods. Which I may add were snubbed out by the elites thugs......soldiers, police, and paid mercenaries ect :rolleyes:

Well put!

[lizzy]

Here in the UK they are welcomed into the Police force and then let lose on the population at large.

yes, I understand that, as they are stateside......brainwashed goons......but as for hiring a peado rather than an ex-soldier, I see the agenda at work.

[rodin]

yup, this is why ex-soldiers' are being marginalized , they know how to fight and some understand the real reasons behind their deployments.;)
In the States, those who return with any emotional / stress related conditions are being prohibited from carrying a firearm for life.

Suffering from delusions like protecting their own people etc.

[wolfhead]

Suffering from delusions like protecting their own people etc.

Yeah, that old chestnut 'If we don't fight them here then we will be fighting them on the streets of our cities'. Like the Taliban or the Iraqi resistance can field any kind of military force outside their own countries.

Personally, I'd like to see how brave these troops are if they were faced with a proper enemy like Russia or China, rather than just blooding themselves against lightly armed civilian fighters.

Might find out soon enough!

[skaff]

Sorry is that statement made with Irony:confused:

Think you may of watched one to many war films my friend.

Freedom of speech, your right to vote, 5 day working week, 38 hour week, safety at work, YOUR LIBERTY ....was never won on a battlefield.

It was fault for by millions of hard working, brave, working class people, aided by Unions. Many of which lost their lives and or livelihoods. Which I may add were snubbed out by the elites thugs......soldiers, police, and paid mercenaries ect :rolleyes:

Even though i am still serving i agree with most of that post as well. However, pigeon-holing an entire profession as 'scum' and agreeing with the source of the OP that paedophiles are higher in social status is an insult, not to soldiers, but to humanity.

[romas]

Last weekend I attended a football league match.

We had a minutes applause immediately prior to kick-off for all our serving troops.

I was puzzled.

This was the latest in a line of militarist things at football matches there has been at least 3 already this season.

I'm getting sick of the propaganda.





It's a less expensive version of Nuremberg Rally ;)

[wolfhead]

It's a less expensive version of Nuremberg Rally ;)

I've seen it a football matches to; and uniformed soldiers lining up to greet the teams onto the pitch - and loads of them in the stands. You have to remember though that the big football stadiums are brimming with impressionable, working class kids - future cannon fodder!

[drhemp]

Nothing better to get the Sun readers baying with their pitchforks than pedos and having a go at our 'brave lads'.

[trev1]

Last weekend I attended a football league match.

We had a minutes applause immediately prior to kick-off for all our serving troops.

I was puzzled.

This was the latest in a line of militarist things at football matches there has been at least 3 already this season.

I'm getting sick of the propaganda.


well did you clap?? !

[stelios]

This is his company:
http://www.webeurope.co.uk/website-solutions.php

He has a banner ad on his website:

http://www.bigcampaign.org/images/images_BIG.jpg

He never said anything about Paedos and Crooks.
He said he would rather employ former lags because they have already been sentanced. Whereas soldiers have still to face war crimes trials.

[skaff]

Even though i am still serving i agree with most of that post as well. However, pigeon-holing an entire profession as 'scum' and agreeing with the source of the OP that paedophiles are higher in social status is an insult, not to soldiers, but to humanity.

When you have all finished sharpening your farm tools and lighting the torches:p

Was my previous post an unfair one?

[jiffy]

He never said anything about Paedos and Crooks.



NO .......your saying the sun lied :eek: next your be saying the daily mail made something up:D

[kryst]

he would rather employ a PAEDOPHILE than one of our brave troops.


So being a paedophile is worse than mass murder?

Oh right, I forgot - if it's in the name of the the state, it's all right.

[astrocreep]

I used to think they were brave. Brave in a way where it was honorable. They are still brave because they have to face danger. However most of them have turned into nothing but mindless pawns that follow orders to kill illegally, and a lot of them LIKE it.

Bang,bang! Spot on! The stupidity of some of the comments on the article are painful.

[spragga_benz]

Here's what the guy said

'Personally, I'd rather recruit ex-drug dealers, convicts and even child molesters rather than consider anybody who has been in the pay of the British Government.'

'Anybody who has been in the pay of such a military force, and by their silence and complicity has condoned such illegal and immoral actions while accepting a monthly bloodstained pay-packet , certainly won't be considered for employment by us.'

'The reality for the families of their victims is that there will never be any justice, and there never will be any closure, for the loss of a son, a husband, a child, or a family member who has fallen victim to British Military personnel who are going beyond 'just doing their job'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1258249/Company-boss-compares-troops-paedophiles-refusing-request-provide-jobs-soldiers.html#comments#ixzz0iLNpBwfL


Sounds pretty reasonable to me!

[jiffy]

Even though i am still serving i agree with most of that post as well. However, pigeon-holing an entire profession as 'scum' and agreeing with the source of the OP that paedophiles are higher in social status is an insult, not to soldiers, but to humanity.

Can't say I agree with the comparison. Most soldiers are actively recruited from poorer area's. The military is very good at painting a wonderful life and the media LOVES to glamorize war.

No offence to you as a serving soldier but one can't help but wonder, if these individuals were better read and given the truth as to what war is not only like, but what is actually behind it. Then recruitment would be near impossible.

Education and wisdom is the key to a peacefully world, not Arms and ignorant young people!

[skaff]

Here's what the guy said

'Personally, I'd rather recruit ex-drug dealers, convicts and even child molesters rather than consider anybody who has been in the pay of the British Government.'

'Anybody who has been in the pay of such a military force, and by their silence and complicity has condoned such illegal and immoral actions while accepting a monthly bloodstained pay-packet , certainly won't be considered for employment by us.'

'The reality for the families of their victims is that there will never be any justice, and there never will be any closure, for the loss of a son, a husband, a child, or a family member who has fallen victim to British Military personnel who are going beyond 'just doing their job'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1258249/Company-boss-compares-troops-paedophiles-refusing-request-provide-jobs-soldiers.html#comments#ixzz0iLNpBwfL


Sounds pretty reasonable to me!

It is typical jingoistic Sun 'journalism' but looking beyond that, the real sentiments of the boss is flawed imo. He mentions that service personnel don't have to live with the legacy left by war. Who is he kidding!? And as for 'going beyond' just doing their job, what is he using as his reference point. Although worded better than the Sun article (hardly difficult!) it is an incredibly biased pov that is equally capable of stirring up hate as this thread proves.

[gallifrey]

When you join the army, part of your job description is to follow orders without question. It is called doing your duty. If you don't like the orders you are given, carry them out anyway, and complain later, which is the policy of the armed forces.

The vast majority of our servicemen and women joined the forces out of an idealistic notion that they could serve and protect their country. Others joined because it was an opportunity to get off the dole. Either way, they have been screwed by the system they serve, by being sent to clean up other people's crap, and fight fake wars. That isn't their fault. They are doing their duty, and following orders.

There are a small minority who join the army purely for the blood-letting. But I should point out, they are a minority.

The men and women of the British Armed forces are among the most honourable in the world.

You can't blame them for the system.

[stelios]

An evangelical messianic Jew is someone who would prove an obvious threat to any Jewish soul. It would therefore be typical of a synagogue to want to bar him entry were he to be exposed to other members in the vicinity. It's not labelling messianic Jews as paedophiles - it's what we call an analogy to demonstrate different examples of Jews that would be denied entry into a synagogue no matter how welcoming they are supposed to be.

Mill Hill Synagogue's Rabbi Yitzchak Schochet arrived in the UK from New York in 1991. He often appears on radio and television and was recently signed up by The Guardian newspaper as their resident rabbi.

http://www.totallyjewish.com/tradition/ask_the_rabbi/?content_id=11223

http://www.euroshiur.eu/images/Y_SchochetL.jpg

This Rabbi who works for the BBC and the Guardian describes other Jews from rival groups as PAEDOPHILES.


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[skaff]

Can't say I agree with the comparison. Most soldiers are actively recruited from poorer area's. The military is very good at painting a wonderful life and the media LOVES to glamorize war.

No offence to you as a serving soldier but one can't help but wonder, if these individuals were better read and given the truth as to what war is not only like, but what is actually behind it. Then recruitment would be near impossible.

Education and wisdom is the key to a peacefully world, not Arms and ignorant young people!

Don't worry about offence jiffy! It wasn't my intention to try and hide behind the label. I just wanted to nail my colours to the mast early before ppl accuse me of hiding motives. You know how this forum can be at times!

It is very true that the military recruit from poor areas but there is a misconception that as soon as you don the uniform you are cannon fodder and brainless. There are over 150 professions in the Army alone and many young men hoin up to learn the trade whilst receiving a wage and then return to civvy street. I have 11 'O' levels (none of your GCSE rubbish mind;)), a BTEC in Avionics and an Engineering degree. However, i concede that i am in the minority but just wanted to show that walking slowly towards the enemy isn't everyone's job description.

You are right, the Media glamourise war to a horrible level. To be fair, the military might not show potential recruits bits of former soldiers in their publicity shots but they certainly don't laud war at all. Perhaps this employer should refuse to employ journalists and polititions instead. I think that would be closer to the truth.

Wisdom i would certainly agree is key, education however is a little too subjective for my taste.

[jiffy]

Wisdom i would certainly agree is key, education however is a little too subjective for my taste.

Yes I agree, education wasn't the best terminology to use...information or knowledge if you like.

Some of the most ill informed people I know have 1st in anything from History to Biophysics

I lecture older home educated young adults in History, politics and economics. Trust me none have any aspirations to join the forces. Not because I tarnished or manipulated their thoughts or opinions, but I merely provided them with the tools to make an informed, knowledge based decision.

Knowledge is power, which is why the education system promotes "regurgitation" not self thought or informed young people.

Just an ability to retain and regurgitate.

[skaff]

I lecture older home educated young adults in History, politics and economics. Trust me none have any aspirations to join the forces. Not because I tarnished or manipulated their thoughts or opinions, but I merely provided them with the tools to make an informed, knowledge based decision.


I think gaining an understanding of any of those three topics would put you off the military for life without any help at all!;)

History = Who has suffered before
Politics = Who causes it now
Economics = Who benefits in the long run

I think you know me well enough by now jiffy, my opinion is obviously going to be slightly biased in this case but i do try and remain as objective as possible in all i discuss. I find impossible to stay silent however when sweeping statements distort the truth and potentially 'tarnish or manipulate' those who treat threads like this as a factual source.

I will always respect opinions of course provided they remain as such.

[jiffy]

I find impossible to stay silent however when sweeping statements distort the truth and potentially 'tarnish or manipulate' those who treat threads like this as a factual source.

I will always respect opinions of course provided they remain as such.

Rightly so imho

Rather to much opinion based on opinions then told as facts and truths ;)

[skaff]

Rightly so imho

Rather to much opinion based on opinions then told as facts and truths ;)

Opinions should be based on facts rather than vice versa!!

It is incredible how the Sun hijacks all things military when they feel they can make a buck. I was involved at the launch of Help for Heroes (still am) and know where and why it started. 2 months later and it was 'The Sun's Charity for the Armed Forces'. Don't get me wrong, any publicity that gets a 19 year old kid who has lost 3 limbs some help i am all for but not to then hold him up so you can show everyone how nice you are.

[signalnorth]

Last weekend I attended a football league match.

We had a minutes applause immediately prior to kick-off for all our serving troops.

I was puzzled.

This was the latest in a line of militarist things at football matches there has been at least 3 already this season.

I'm getting sick of the propaganda.


Yes it's everywhere. I'm tired and sick of it.

Imagine living in Wooten Bassett.

[nofuture]

'It's a dirty job but someones got to do it' ? :rolleyes:


I guess the Sun feels guilty because they helped Bliar lie us into Iraq and so share the blame for the pointless loss of British blood.

I can't comment on the mentality of soldiers but I get the idea that many of them like killing people, are happy to blindly follow orders, and hold vile opinions about other human beings based on their race and / or creed and nothing else.


If someone wants to tell us that these people are a minority of recruits, I'm happy to believe them.

[skaff]

Yes it's everywhere. I'm tired and sick of it.

Imagine living in Wooten Bassett.

I think you'll find that events in Wooten Bassett have been created by the village itself. It is a rare example of humanity leading the media rather than the other way round.

And as sick of it as you might be, you are far better off than the guy in the car that is just passing through.

[skaff]

'It's a dirty job but someones got to do it' ? :rolleyes:


I guess the Sun feels guilty because they helped Bliar lie us into Iraq and so share the blame for the pointless loss of British blood.

I can't comment on the mentality of soldiers but I get the idea that many of them like killing people, are happy to blindly follow orders, and hold vile opinions about other human beings based on their race and / or creed and nothing else.


If someone wants to tell us that these people are a minority of recruits, I'm happy to believe them.

OK then, i'd be happy to tell you that it is a minority.

In 19 years i have met about half a dozen who crave battle (of which none had actually been), 2 or 3 that i would consider racist, and none (including me) who are happy taking orders. We take them because it is our job.

I would argue that those who aren't in the military are the happy ones when it comes to orders as they are less aware that they are receiving them. At least our superiors shout rather then insidiously drip feed.

[grenadene]

yes, I understand that, as they are stateside......brainwashed goons......but as for hiring a peado rather than an ex-soldier, I see the agenda at work.

I'm tempted to think that he made that reference to show in what low esteem he held soldiers rather than to 'big up' child molesters.

[mindrevolution]

I understand this guys feelings towards the armed forces. at the end of the day they are murderers. nearly 3,000 killed on 9/11 somehow justifies the killing of well over 1,000,000 civilians in iraq in the sick fuck mind of a soldier.

As against the armed services as i am, i would rather soldiers signed up because they believe in some kind of cause. But i know too many people signing up because 'it has good career prospects'. makes me fucking sick, ignorant murderous scumbags.

I even know people who feel the current wars are all about oil and yet still join the armed forcdes or support them. its illogical madness.

its disgusting how many people literally hate peadophiles (and hate is a very strong feeling), and yet applaud serviceman and women as heroes.

[jetzen]

A RANTING company boss has caused outrage by claiming that he would rather employ a PAEDOPHILE than one of our brave troops.
Karl Winn, 60, said he would "recruit ex-drug dealers, convicts and child molesters" instead of former servicemen or women.



Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2893828/Ranting-Karl-Winn-Id-rather-employ-a-paedo-than-a-hero.html#mySunComments#ixzz0iKcUHL4K


the idiot should operate his business in iran then.

[skaff]

I understand this guys feelings towards the armed forces. at the end of the day they are murderers. nearly 3,000 killed on 9/11 somehow justifies the killing of well over 1,000,000 civilians in iraq in the sick fuck mind of a soldier.

As against the armed services as i am, i would rather soldiers signed up because they believe in some kind of cause. But i know too many people signing up because 'it has good career prospects'. makes me fucking sick, ignorant murderous scumbags.

I even know people who feel the current wars are all about oil and yet still join the armed forcdes or support them. its illogical madness.

its disgusting how many people literally hate peadophiles (and hate is a very strong feeling), and yet applaud serviceman and women as heroes.


I would humbly suggest that you review who you need to direct your hatred towards. Murderers, scumbags etc. and yet you claim to know loads of them. I would certainly not spend time getting to know you if that was your view of me so i question your 'facts'.

Can you let me know the last 'War' that was organised by someone in uniform please?

You would rather they join for 'a cause'. I did. The cause was my family's future. I make no apology for placing that at the top of my priorities.

I do enjoy reading someone spouting expletives about all that is bad in the world until a new soap box takes their fancy. It is frustrating to see people continually condemning the Armed Forces as they continue to wear their Nikes, drink their Coke and eat their Macdonalds. All bastions of compassion aren't they.

The simple fact is that any profession and/or lifestyle can be deconstructed. If people spent a fraction of the time they use frowning at the rest of society and instead look to how they could be a better person then who knows, they could put me out of a job!

And if i lived in a world where that happened, i would be as happy as you. Unemployed, but happy!

[skaff]

the idiot should operate his business in iran then.

To be fair, you need to read what he actually said and not the way the Sun are typically sensationalising.

I still don't agree with 95% of what he wrote but at least it was more constructive than was published in the 'news'paper.

[skaff]

I'm tempted to think that he made that reference to show in what low esteem he held soldiers rather than to 'big up' child molesters.

I agree with you but i think that low esteem is unfairly low wouldn't you say?

[dreamweaver]

I'd rather work alongside soldiers than nonces.

[mindrevolution]

I would humbly suggest that you review who you need to direct your hatred towards. Murderers, scumbags etc. and yet you claim to know loads of them. I would certainly not spend time getting to know you if that was your view of me so i question your 'facts'.

Can you let me know the last 'War' that was organised by someone in uniform please?

You would rather they join for 'a cause'. I did. The cause was my family's future. I make no apology for placing that at the top of my priorities.

I do enjoy reading someone spouting expletives about all that is bad in the world until a new soap box takes their fancy. It is frustrating to see people continually condemning the Armed Forces as they continue to wear their Nikes, drink their Coke and eat their Macdonalds. All bastions of compassion aren't they.

The simple fact is that any profession and/or lifestyle can be deconstructed. If people spent a fraction of the time they use frowning at the rest of society and instead look to how they could be a better person then who knows, they could put me out of a job!

And if i lived in a world where that happened, i would be as happy as you. Unemployed, but happy!

Well for what its worth i don't eat mcdonalds, drink coke or wear nikes.

I cannot find any justification for going to another country and killing people. Don't fool yourself into thinking you are doing this for your family. If you haven't noticed the UK is not exactly a nice place to leave your family (or the USA or wherever else you are from.)

My profession isn't important, as being a hypocrit (not that i am) never, on its own, disqualifies an argument.


Look at it from my perspective. I think 9/11 was an inside job, i don't think al queda exist, i think the NWO is a very real possibility.

So with that in mind, where you see heroism in soldiers going off to fight for this country, i see pawns going off to die for powerful controllers.

But even without those considerations, what right do you have to invade another country, overthrow its government and kill people? why can humanity never learn from history.

Einstein said: "To my mind, to kill in war is not a whit better than to commit ordinary murder."

he also said “The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service.”

there is some wisdom for you.

who exactly is it you swear allegiace too in the armed forces? family and friends? no, its queen and country, wake up.

[skaff]

Well for what its worth i don't eat mcdonalds, drink coke or wear nikes.

I never said you did

I cannot find any justification for going to another country and killing people. Don't fool yourself into thinking you are doing this for your family. If you haven't noticed the UK is not exactly a nice place to leave your family (or the USA or wherever else you are from.).

You cannot, but it is not you making the decisions. If we, and i stress, we all deconstructed every 'order' we receive on a daily basis then anarchy would reign. It is impossible to judge in the now the consequences of later.

Please don't tell me my motivation for doing things, i am fooling noone least of all myself.

As for where i leave my family, it is the UK and your statement on it 'not being nice' is crass and silly. We all leave loved ones and nowhere is 'safe'. I act for the betterment of those i love. If that means i have to leave them to work then so be it. It isn't something unique to soldiers.

I notice as well you haven't addressed my query on naming a war that was instigated by men in uniform?

My profession isn't important, as being a hypocrit (not that i am) never, on its own, disqualifies an argument.

I didn't ask for your profession nor did i accuse you of hypocrisy. However, now that you mention it, i would like to know your profession if possible please as it shows those reading your motivation behind your opinions. Clearly my posts will be pro-soldier as i am one. People knowing this can deduce for themselves whether or not my opinion lacks objectivity. Without knowing your background they do not have the same luxury with you. I also fail to see why announcing what you do would constitute hypocrisy. The only way that would be possible would be if you too were a serving soldier!

Look at it from my perspective. I think 9/11 was an inside job, i don't think al queda exist, i think the NWO is a very real possibility.

So with that in mind, where you see heroism in soldiers going off to fight for this country, i see pawns going off to die for powerful controllers.

I can certainly see that you would view it this way and respect your opinion wholeheartedly.

But even without those considerations, what right do you have to invade another country, overthrow its government and kill people? why can humanity never learn from history.

I have no right to do that. I work under the instruction of others. My reason for not throwing my weapon down and walking away i addressed above.

As i said in my previous post i would love humanity to reign. However, i do not see myself as a barrier to that being achieved.

Einstein said: "To my mind, to kill in war is not a whit better than to commit ordinary murder."

he also said “The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service.”

there is some wisdom for you.

Unfortunately, they are other people's wisdom, not yours. The problem with quotes is that you are unaware of the context or motives. In the case of Einstein he was disillusioned that his work was used towards the construction of superweapons. It is no wonder then that he would say such things.

Let me show you why quotes are poor debating utensils:

"A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history."

"A man who won't die for something is not fit to live."

"In order for a war to be just, three things are necessary. First, the authority of the sovereign. Secondly, a just cause. Thirdly, a rightful intention."

Which Military Generals did i extract these pearls from?...


...Mohandas Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr and St Thomas Aquinas respectively. How about we just use our own 'wisdom' from now on?

who exactly is it you swear allegiace too in the armed forces? family and friends? no, its queen and country,

Actually it is just the queen that you swear allegiance to. But then, all UK citizens should share that allegiance even if they don't swear to it. They don't of course but they should.

wake up.

What would you like me to say to this? React badly to an unnecessary jibe? Perhaps another 'wisdom quote? Sleep is the best meditation(Dalai Lama). No, i think the best thing to do is ignore it and hope your next reply is more respectful as i have been nothing but.

[mindrevolution]

I care for people with learning dfficulties. it was a tough decision between that and becoming a murderer with the armed forces.

why should anyone swear allegiance to the queen?


Look, i'm just against war in general. I feel there is good reason to stay out of the current wars.

I'm sorry to say to some of my family would probably consider me a hero if i went to fight with the armed forces, but sod them, i disagree.

[skaff]

I care for people with learning dfficulties. it was a tough decision between that and becoming a murderer with the armed forces.

why should anyone swear allegiance to the queen?


Look, i'm just against war in general. I feel there is good reason to stay out of the current wars.

I'm sorry to say to some of my family would probably consider me a hero if i went to fight with the armed forces, but sod them, i disagree.

I won't argue against any of that :)

I did say that i didn't think ppl should swear allegiance but felt they should share it. That is a whole other debate there though so i'll step away befoer this thread seriously derails!

My best wishes to you and i do genuinely respect your opinion. In time as we meet across various threads you will find i am far from sheeple-like and that we will share more views than you may have expected of a 'sick fuck'! ;)

Have a great evening

[mindrevolution]

I won't argue against any of that :)

I did say that i didn't think ppl should swear allegiance but felt they should share it. That is a whole other debate there though so i'll step away befoer this thread seriously derails!

My best wishes to you and i do genuinely respect your opinion. In time as we meet across various threads you will find i am far from sheeple-like and that we will share more views than you may have expected of a 'sick fuck'! ;)

Have a great evening

I'm not denying this is a tricky subject in many respects. I'm not saying i am 100% right or that my mind is totally made up. There is a lot of grey area.

I just get very frustrated when i see otherwise good people choosing to take part in what i see as an immoral and unnecessary war.

I do often resort to using off the cuff insults, spur of the moment type comments, this is plain to see in many of my posts and i often regret saying such things as i realise i am generalising.

i apologise but my general view is as stated originally.

i think we can all agree that humanity will one day find another way to deal with problems, other than war.

[haukipesukone]

Personally, I'd rather recruit ex-drug dealers, convicts and even child molesters rather than consider anybody who has been in the pay of the British Government.

Can't argue with that. My cap's off to this Winn guy. Winn is made of win. Harhar

[grenadene]

I agree with you but i think that low esteem is unfairly low wouldn't you say?

It's certainly dropping the bar to rock bottom, but blowing women and children into smithereens is imo right down there too. If they aren't resisting it, they are supporting it. Moral depravity knows no bounds it would seem.

[wolfhead]

I think that the guy's point was that he'd rather employ EX-cons, those who had done the crime and done the time, rather than employ unrepentant murderers.

Lets face it, its a very easy cop out to say 'I was following orders'. All of us (apart from our leaders) have humanity, empathy and guilt, we all know right from wrong.

[skaff]

I think that the guy's point was that he'd rather employ EX-cons, those who had done the crime and done the time, rather than employ unrepentant murderers.

Lets face it, its a very easy cop out to say 'I was following orders'. All of us (apart from our leaders) have humanity, empathy and guilt, we all know right from wrong.

I agree with all of that as well. I have obeyed all my orders but i have never been told to blow up women and children. Neither i should add, have any of my workmates.

[jetzen]

To be fair, you need to read what he actually said and not the way the Sun are typically sensationalising.

I still don't agree with 95% of what he wrote but at least it was more constructive than was published in the 'news'paper.

he disrespects loyal veterans...he don't deserve even 5% fairness.

[wolfhead]

I agree with all of that as well. I have obeyed all my orders but i have never been told to blow up women and children. Neither i should add, have any of my workmates.

Well someone did!

[kukulkola]

I dont wanna scare anybody but the frightening truth is that the concept of war has been hijacked by evil forces. It's not about territory or resources. It's about depleting the white race of it's strong stock. Every major war involves at least 2 white countries sending their young strong white sons to go battle another countries young strong white sons. It's sickening.

Today's American/Iraq/Iran war is being played in front of our eyes by these same dark forces. These dark forces control America and they have manipulated a false war against Russia's neighboring countries. As "war" progresses into a full out Iranian assult, Russia is going to step in and declare a most terrifying war. Again whites vs whites! This is what we refer to as "world war 3" and it will be the end of aryan supremacy as the last 2 great white countries go down against each other

[analog]

A RANTING company boss has caused outrage by claiming that he would rather employ a PAEDOPHILE than one of our brave troops.
Karl Winn, 60, said he would "recruit ex-drug dealers, convicts and child molesters" instead of former servicemen or women.



Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2893828/Ranting-Karl-Winn-Id-rather-employ-a-paedo-than-a-hero.html#mySunComments#ixzz0iKcUHL4K



A very over emotional statement, very silly man.

[skaff]

he disrespects loyal veterans...he don't deserve even 5% fairness.

He is every bit as entitled to his opinion as you are.

Have you read what this man actually said? It isn't nearly as contenscious as the title would suggest.

[skaff]

Well someone did!

I know innocents have died. I personally don't think anyone received orders to do it but i only speak for myself when dealing in absolutes so i will stick with what i know! :)

[jetzen]

He is every bit as entitled to his opinion as you are.

Have you read what this man actually said? It isn't nearly as contenscious as the title would suggest.


he said enuff....he'd rather hire pedos and criminals than veterans.

veterans need support not rejection....pedos need castration or death.

[skaff]

he said enuff....he'd rather hire pedos and criminals than veterans.

veterans need support not rejection....pedos need castration or death.

In which case you havent read what he said. I suggest you do first. His words have been sexed up.

And is STILL entitled to his opinion!

[jetzen]

In which case you havent read what he said. I suggest you do first. His words have been sexed up.

And is STILL entitled to his opinion!


what i read is he aint gonna do anything for veterans... did you read somethng else?

[angelthecat]

At first I thought this boss may have been the pope, but I would not be supprised to find that he had a good catholic upbringing

[griffinman]

They're depenable, well trained and disciplined.

Soldiers that is.
not pedos....

[skaff]

what i read is he aint gonna do anything for veterans... did you read somethng else?

But that wasn't what you said. You made reference to paedophiles etc. That is deliberately provocative.

As for what he did say. It is up to him who he employs and what he thinks of soldiers. Every one of those soldiers would simply quote Voltaire in return!

[skaff]

I dont wanna scare anybody but the frightening truth is that the concept of war has been hijacked by evil forces. It's not about territory or resources. It's about depleting the white race of it's strong stock. Every major war involves at least 2 white countries sending their young strong white sons to go battle another countries young strong white sons. It's sickening.

Today's American/Iraq/Iran war is being played in front of our eyes by these same dark forces. These dark forces control America and they have manipulated a false war against Russia's neighboring countries. As "war" progresses into a full out Iranian assult, Russia is going to step in and declare a most terrifying war. Again whites vs whites! This is what we refer to as "world war 3" and it will be the end of aryan supremacy as the last 2 great white countries go down against each other

I rarely swear so forgive me.



BOLLOCKS.



Thank you

[jetzen]

But that wasn't what you said. You made reference to paedophiles etc.


i'm just going with what he said/wrote/stated etc.

do you support pedos?

[jetzen]

As for what he did say. It is up to him who he employs and what he thinks of soldiers.


true but would you work for him?

[rydeon]

Tactless and ill-conceived but in many ways understandable :(

I get more than a little :rolleyes: at the way "Hero" is the sticky label of choice for the strong arm of colonialist expansion - society looks gradually more like "Starship Troopers" or "Warhammer 40k" as each year goes by :(

I'd say more like '1984', at least in starship troopers everyones quality of life is good.

[jetzen]

this guy that don't want to hire vets reminds me of the assholes in the U.S. who spit on Nam vets that returned home.

[skaff]

true but would you work for him?

Not a chance! I like my employers to have a brain!! Nor do i 'support pedos' as you so eloquently put it! What i am saying is that his opinions, though grossly wide of the mark are his right to say. If i was to jump around now shouting and swearing, threatening violence towards him if ever we met etc etc it would simply feed his stupidity.

Contrary to his opinion, i am better than that and better than him

[skaff]

this guy that don't want to hire vets reminds me of the assholes in the U.S. who spit on Nam vets that returned home.

Never mind the US, that has happened to me in the UK,

[kanz]

Can't say I agree with the comparison. Most soldiers are actively recruited from poorer area's. The military is very good at painting a wonderful life and the media LOVES to glamorize war.

No offence to you as a serving soldier but one can't help but wonder, if these individuals were better read and given the truth as to what war is not only like, but what is actually behind it. Then recruitment would be near impossible.

Education and wisdom is the key to a peacefully world, not Arms and ignorant young people!

As long as theres money to be made and bullets to sell man will will never know peace.

[jetzen]

Never mind the US, that has happened to me in the UK,

and the people that spit on you have the right to their own opinion of you.
you are a troublemaker and a petty squabbler.
and if you got spit on i doubt you got spit on for being a soldier.
now you may have the last word.

[skaff]

and the people that spit on you have the right to their own opinion of you.
you are a troublemaker and a petty squabbler.
and if you got spit on i doubt you got spit on for being a soldier.
now you may have the last word.

OK, i will!

I am neither a troublemaker nor a squabbler and i'll ignore the feeble insult. I was spat on whilst in uniform in a hospital where i was looking after injured troops. The woman who did it called me a childkiller as well. Without wiping my face i calmly said that i would continue to fight for her right to be able to say that and walked away. So you see, i back up my principles in the real world as well.

If i took a leaf out of your book and retaliated with name calling and expletives all i am doing is strengthening her position. In uniform i have to set an example so that people walk away with a slightly less skewed preconception.

Life, like water finds its own level. This man who made these idiotic comments has, in one email destroyed his name and his livelihood. He made his choice, he has that right. Now he has to face the consequences of his actions.

Feel free to come back if you wish and i am sorry that you think i am some kind of limp liberal but i am talking from experience.

[anyuser]

There is a paedo here that works at pizza hut, & yes pizza hut employs people not 18 years old and many kiddies go to pizza hut (birthday parties, baseball parties, etc). I was kind of freaked out when I seen his name on the list along with picture on the paedo list site. I wonder if they know, or perhaps don't care?

Thinking more about it, i'm pretty sure they know because the town is small and lots of people I talked to have seen the list.

[cpfc12]

A RANTING company boss has caused outrage by claiming that he would rather employ a PAEDOPHILE than one of our brave troops.
Karl Winn, 60, said he would "recruit ex-drug dealers, convicts and child molesters" instead of former servicemen or women.



Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2893828/Ranting-Karl-Winn-Id-rather-employ-a-paedo-than-a-hero.html#mySunComments#ixzz0iKcUHL4K

Thanks for the post
it clearly shows, how those who are going against "our" soldiers, are to be singled out and shamed, it was his personal opinion, not a politician or footballer, its just a blatant propaganda tactic to try and get people to love the armed forces, which the majority already do.

How comes the sun didn't report this
http://www.truthout.org/topstories/111409jl02

[cpfc12]

Here it goes (rolls eyes)
if you are against the army, or soldiers, automatically it means that you want them to die, or you wish to spit on them, at their homecoming parade ^^

Don't you see its the people who hold, how do we say, opinions that question the intergrity of the soldiers and the army, who get spat on, and this article like so many others just further prove this point.

[cpfc12]

Oh and btw i would much rather work with soldiers than nonces, my dad and many other people i know of, are in or where in the armed forces.
but whether i go now, being a young bloke, you are having it rammed down your throats that the armed forces are sacred, and to be part of it, would be an honour, i wouldn't mind but no one questions it.
The problem is with this article and many others, is that they are associating those who are against soldiers or the military, as nonce sympathisers
Which is fucking dangerous grounds if you ask me

[guzla]

Soldiers Kill people, Peodos rape children...

I don't comply to neither

[halliburton crusher]

sorry is that statement made with irony:confused:

Think you may of watched one to many war films my friend.

Freedom of speech, your right to vote, 5 day working week, 38 hour week, safety at work, your liberty ....was never won on a battlefield.

It was fault for by millions of hard working, brave, working class people, aided by unions. Many of which lost their lives and or livelihoods. Which i may add were snubbed out by the elites thugs......soldiers, police, and paid mercenaries ect :rolleyes:

thank you jiffy for your wisdom

[o_rourke]

Soldiers Kill people, Peodos rape children...

I don't comply to neither

+1......well said ;)