What Religion Is

[thereisonlywe]

May Allah guide your path. “Every credit in anything belongs to Allah, the Rab of the worlds.” (1:2)

You have to know that there has always been one religion. Wherever and under whatever name it emerged, it was the same religion. The reason we have many different religions in today’s world is due to changes religions undergo through time. Religion has almost always been used to manipulate people and thus has been altered to fit certain people’s benefits.

You might say God could have prevented this from happening. We agree with you, but there is something you don’t know. Although we here tell you there is only one religion, majority of people think otherwise and they will keep defending their religion (!) not only against other religions (!), but also against the religion itself. Thus, the change in names of religion is a test of faith to see if you are worshiping the One or only a name that you get acquainted with where you grew up. Specifically, it is a test to determine if there is a vehicle (person, name, community…etc) between you and God.

By thinking of Hinduism or similar religions, you might wonder how polytheism emerged. Know that, polytheism is nothing but corruption of monotheism. Today’s Christianity is a perfect example to understand how people are able to turn one god into many. People took a similitude made by Jesus as an actual thing and one misunderstanding resulted in a dramatic change.

Know that people’s favor of polytheism is not a random thing. Since we all live in duality, we instinctually move towards pluralism. This gives rise to need for religion. Religion is the path that leads to Oneness. Oneness is the door that opens to absolute truth, gives one true freedom and saves one from continuous up and downs in his/her mood. One’s experience of Oneness depends on how well (s)he follows the religion.

Religious or not we are all subject to same laws. We are living in a perfect system that is entirely built on cause-effect relationship. We are quite sure you are familiar with this relationship and thus you should well know one has to do something if (s)he wants something to happen. Similarly, acts that religion favors help you build a better life for yourself. It is not about afterlife alone. Since our aim here is not to prove God’s existence, this is enough (for a believer) as a motivation for following the religion (rather than his/her own mind).

Religion denies the validity of information we obtain through our senses. It makes its own definitions of what is good and what is not. One might approach religion logically and bring logical explanations to religious practices to share with other people who are not involved in religion. However, that wouldn’t be logical in itself. You have to know, higher knowledge can only be obtained through submission. As long as you rely heavily on your mind and take judgmental attitude towards environment, you won’t reach the Truth. Although your intention may be good, you can only speculate about countless possibilities which will baffle your own mind as well as others’.

One who is with/at/from the Truth well knows that religion is something that people either accept or not. (s)He would only take time to explain religious practices to one who is already involved in them, and not to one who takes a critical attitude. However, there are people who are seeking for answers and they definitely deserve a good explanation. But still, religion must not be dyed to a certain color just to make it seem good. If there is religion, one needs to show respect for the owner of it and present it in the way the owner favors.

How do we reach religion? We reach religion by following Islam, unity through love and peace. Be careful, we don’t mean what is portrayed today under the name of “Islam”. You should understand that no religion can survive as a name, because there will always be people benefiting from the name. The religion can only survive within. Thus, you have to hold on to love and peace (both inner and outer). If Allah wills, you will later on learn that inner peace can only be reached through outer peace (and the vice versa).

Besides that, you have to know what religion forbids and advises. The more you know, the more mindful you will be. Religion is best learned by understanding Quran. Reading Quran won’t help you much unless you understand it. Read it in your language and make use of different translations.

Quran is not a book that can be read like fiction. One needs to spend serious time on the verses. There are seven reasons of information loss that one is faced with when reading Quran. First is that you can’t be absolutely sure about what a specific word means in the context. Second, language changes through time. Third, a verse may point to different things at the same time, but only one of these will appear on the translation. Fourth, there are no perfect matches for certain words in other languages. Fifth, the meaning depends on who is reading it. Sixth, as time and society changes application of the verse changes as well. Seventh, there are hidden meanings that get lost in translation. Additionally, one has to compare a verse with all the other verses in Quran to understand it. If another verse contradicts it, then you are not focusing on the true meaning of the verse.

We also advise you to check sources that are on Oneness. Always filter each source’s validity by Quran. That doesn’t mean don’t make use of sources that don’t involve some of the practices that are in Quran (like salat). Just don’t accept something that contradicts with Quran. You must know that although Quran itself is not a concrete book, the main way to reach Quran is with the help of Quran book.

Never forget: All religions are one and they all lead to Oneness in their original form.

“… Allah speaks the truth and He guides to the way” (33:4).

Love&Peace

[catch22]

How do we reach religion? all boundaries can be dissolved fairly easily by suppressing the ego with a spiritual practice, be it prayer, meditation, plant or chemical entheogens, tantric sex, fasting, sensory deprivation, etc, etc.


Never forget: All religions are one and they all lead to Oneness in their original form.
I believe that Shamanism is quite literally the foundation or beginning roots of most, if not all other religions.

"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution-then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise."
ALDOUS HUXLEY 1894 - 1963

[dedicate]

I wanted to start a thread asking this question, as it seems not many have any sort of UNDERSTANDING of what even religion is,, much less anything else about it. It's really not a difficult thing, but often people make it appear more difficult than it is.

Like when one askes, "What is art?" People will say, "I don't know",, but will point to Music, Painting, Writing. Same with religion, -- people just point to something, but they don't know. But it's easy. Art is just an expression of truth though the creative process.

Religion is just the truth about your life and could be the practice of putting those truths to work.

[thereisonlywe]

I wanted to start a thread asking this question, as it seems not many have any sort of UNDERSTANDING of what even religion is,, much less anything else about it. It's really not a difficult thing, but often people make it appear more difficult than it is.

Like when one askes, "What is art?" People will say, "I don't know",, but will point to Music, Painting, Writing. Same with religion, -- people just point to something, but they don't know. But it's easy. Art is just an expression of truth though the creative process.

Religion is just the truth about your life and could be the practice of putting those truths to work.

The funny thing is some people point to religions that speak of Oneness (maybe not so clearly), and deny when we say all religions are one. We did not make this (all religions are one) up. Thanks to Allah, this is how our "awakening" started. We assure you if Buddha, Jesus, Moses... were alive they would all say the same thing. One doesn't know about religion unless (s)He focuses on Oneness.

See this: "Then did Satan make them slip from the (garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. We said: "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time."" (2:36) This is why we are here: to be a peacemaker.

Religion doesn't banish questioning, it banishes ignorance. Through submission your questions will already be answered. If people are to follow atheism they should know about what religion is first. So please take time to read our post, not to believe in something, but to KNOW what you are denying.

You may also read "what God is" here: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107780

Love&Peace

[picha]

Its something that people who are too dumb to understand what circular logic is believe in.

[dedicate]

ONE is the enlightened way of seeing things. There was this Zen Teacher, Goshen, who would always emphisize "One". Ask him how old he is, and he would say, "One". Ask him what is Zen and he would say "One". There was another teacher who would say "Not one but two!./// Not two but one!"

[loveisthelaw]

Its something that people who are too dumb to understand what circular logic is believe in.

One could quite easily say the same about non-religious people.

The fact is: most humans on earth are religious, or at least claim to be. As such, you are a minority. Yet that does not make you "smart" or "dumb" either.

However, to say that someone who believes in religion is dumb, in my opinion, is an ignorant statement. I know many VERY intelligent people who are also religious.

I think people who drink alcohol, gamble and have sex outside marriage are dumb. Yet that is not a sign of their intelligence, it is simply a sign of their ignorance and their lack of understanding.

Be careful of pot and kettle dear Picha ;)

[thereisonlywe]

...I believe that Shamanism is quite literally the foundation or beginning roots of most, if not all other religions.


You have to understand deep knowledge is not acquired by thought or research. Prophets didn't need a text to study. Some of them made use of early texts, but not all. However they all ended up with the same knowledge. There are older religions than Shamanism in fact...

From tablets that are found in the last century we see that Mu and Atlantis civilizations had a belief in Oneness. Additionally, the Egyptian gods whom were worshiped by Egyptians later on were actual people who taught (some if not all) about Oneness (see how similar this is to Jesus' case).

Love&Peace

[dedicate]

So, then, the question, "Are you religious?" really puts people off. It brings up images of falling down in mindless worship and fundamentalism (didactic authoritorianism). But really being religious is just an interest in your life, the truth of your life.

How do you answer the question,, "What in God's name am I doing here? Where am I going?" If you are asking any of these questions, then you are on a religious quest.

Religions (not religion) are not created by men, but given to men, so that many many people may have the tools they need to answer these questions.

[picha]

WOuld any muslims on this thread be willing to take an online IQ test and post the results? I'd be very interested to see what they are.

[thereisonlywe]

WOuld any muslims on this thread be willing to take an online IQ test and post the results? I'd be very interested to see what they are.

We thought only people who have a doubt about their intelligence took those tests. In the end, everyone knows an IQ test depends on the IQ and approach of the person who designed the test.

So, why should one be interested in an IQ test? What are you proving and to whom?

Love&Peace

[thereisonlywe]

So, then, the question, "Are you religious?" really puts people off. It brings up images of falling down in mindless worship and fundamentalism (didactic authoritorianism). But really being religious is just an interest in your life, the truth of your life.

How do you answer the question,, "What in God's name am I doing here? Where am I going?" If you are asking any of these questions, then you are on a religious quest.

Religions (not religion) are not created by men, but given to men, so that many many people may have the tools they need to answer these questions.

Yes. And we highly advise following a prophet rather than your own mind. There is a significant difference between people who spiritually develop according to their mind, and those who follow a prophet's doings.

A person who follows a prophet has already surrendered to the One, while the other guy still thinks he has a better way of doing things (than the One). Because if one could be religious without the help of anyone, then there would be no point in sending a prophet. Thus, a person who relies on his/her mind unknowingly denies the fact that there is a god (something superior than him/her) while he/she aims to reach God (which is clear non-sense).

Love&Peace

[loveisthelaw]

WOuld any muslims on this thread be willing to take an online IQ test and post the results? I'd be very interested to see what they are.

:) it wouldn't really matter, would it.. muscle flexing isn't that cool.

Either way, I did the Mensa Cattle test, I can't remember which one and got 144, about 3 years ago - It was a gift from my Mum because she knows I love puzzles. However all that shows is the ability to solve logic problems, it does not define how intelligent you are.

[picha]

Yes. And we highly advise following a prophet rather than your own mind.
Love&Peace

So you think we should all be stupid sheep and copy someone else rather than think for ourselves?

[picha]

:) it wouldn't really matter, would it.. muscle flexing isn't that cool.

Either way, I did the Mensa Cattle test, I can't remember which one and got 144, about 3 years ago - It was a gift from my Mum because she knows I love puzzles. However all that shows is the ability to solve logic problems, it does not define how intelligent you are.

You should have no problem reproducing that and posting it on here.

[knightofthegrail]

Yes. And we highly advise following a prophet rather than your own mind. There is a significant difference between people who spiritually develop according to their mind, and those who follow a prophet's doings.

A person who follows a prophet has already surrendered to the One, while the other guy still thinks he has a better way of doing things (than the One). Because if one could be religious without the help of anyone, then there would be no point in sending a prophet. Thus, a person who relies on his/her mind unknowingly denies the fact that there is a god (something superior than him/her) while he/she aims to reach God (which is clear non-sense).

Love&Peace

Erm, sorry, what? :-/

God is knowable through reason; advocating you give up your mind and follow a "prophet" is at the heart of every cult that ever existed. The Holy spirit is always there for you to find, with your reason. You cannot find it by mimicking or obeying someone else; the connection is personal, or not at all.

[thereisonlywe]

Erm, sorry, what? :-/

God is knowable through reason; advocating you give up your mind and follow a "prophet" is at the heart of every cult that ever existed. The Holy spirit is always there for you to find, with your reason. You cannot find it by mimicking or obeying someone else; the connection is personal, or not at all.

A prophet, not just some person. You have to know, there will be things that will contradict with your mind. You won't know what they are for. A person who has not trained his/her Nafs has very weak sense of right and wrong.

Connection will still be personal. However, you will approach God on a channel that has high density.

Love&Peace

[dedicate]

The Moslems can speak for themselves, but I do believe they are not advocating blind obedience or thoughtlessly following the letter. Same with me... I see it the same way as what is presented here. It is best to not follow your own mind.

For one thing.. It is my mind which has gotten me into this mess. The mind happens to be a very tricky thing and it is best to find someone who has traveled the path who can show you the way out. It is still going to be you that gets out, it is just that you are using consultants on the way.

Why reinvent the wheel? Why be an ascetic for years, when Buddha has already discovered that denial of one's desires does not bring one to freedom from desires? Things like that.

[thereisonlywe]

The Moslems can speak for themselves, but I do believe they are not advocating blind obedience or thoughtlessly following the letter. Same with me... I see it the same way as what is presented here. It is best to not follow your own mind.

For one thing.. It is my mind which has gotten me into this mess. The mind happens to be a very tricky thing and it is best to find someone who has traveled the path who can show you the way out. It is still going to be you that gets out, it is just that you are using consultants on the way.

Why reinvent the wheel? Why be an ascetic for years, when Buddha has already discovered that denial of one's desires does not bring one to freedom from desires? Things like that.

Yes.

Even you try to learn from them, you will see you can't apply everything. Your Nafs will resist. So, it is not as easy as it sounds.

Additionally, it is another way of being obedient to God. A man who knows what a Perfect Man is, well knows that a prophet is there to represent God's will.

Love&Peace

[picha]

A prophet, not just some person. You have to know, there will be things that will contradict with your mind. You won't know what they are for. A person who has not trained his/her Nafs has very weak sense of right and wrong.

Connection will still be personal. However, you will approach God on a channel that has high density.

Love&Peace

I think you are high density too.

[knightofthegrail]

A prophet, not just some person. You have to know, there will be things that will contradict with your mind. You won't know what they are for. A person who has not trained his/her Nafs has very weak sense of right and wrong.

Connection will still be personal. However, you will approach God on a channel that has high density.

Love&Peace

No, sorry, I disagree with you there. God is known and knowable directly through our reason. You cannot connect through someone else. That is the kind of misapprehension sold by catholicism and similar institutionalised religion (hmmm somedays I wonder if that is a tautology). God contradicts appearance only, not reason.


Why reinvent the wheel? Why be an ascetic for years, when Buddha has already discovered that denial of one's desires does not bring one to freedom from desires? Things like that.

Test it for yourself, because the Buddha may have been mistaken. Beyond that, you cannot come to know the divine by aping one who claims to; either you realise it for yourself, or you are left unknowing of it.

[king triad]

A prophet, not just some person. You have to know, there will be things that will contradict with your mind. You won't know what they are for. A person who has not trained his/her Nafs has very weak sense of right and wrong.

Connection will still be personal. However, you will approach God on a channel that has high density.

Love&Peace

And im guessing this prophet your promoting is Mohammed?..

[thereisonlywe]

No, sorry, I disagree with you there. God is known and knowable directly through our reason. You cannot connect through someone else. That is the kind of misapprehension sold by catholicism and similar institutionalised religion (hmmm somedays I wonder if that is a tautology). God contradicts appearance only, not reason.



Test it for yourself, because the Buddha may have been mistaken. Beyond that, you cannot come to know the divine by aping one who claims to; either you realise it for yourself, or you are left unknowing of it.

No, Buddha cannot be mistaken. Once Nafs surrenders, one is open to true knowledge.

Now, you are relying on your senses which are completely prone to misinformation. Because you are misinformed, you can't see the reason behind leaving reason aside.

Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi (A Perfect Man) talks about how people who pursue a spiritual path depending on their own logic regret it later on in one of his works (for a few pages).

Love&Peace

[thereisonlywe]

And im guessing this prophet your promoting is Mohammed?..

We are not promoting a prophet. You are free to follow any you would like. They all lead to Oneness.

We would only remind you that the One saved Muhammad for the last and Quran is the only text that was meant to be universal.

Muhammad was meant for people living beyond 7th century. All prophets accept this.

Love&Peace

[knightofthegrail]

No, Buddha cannot be mistaken. Once Nafs surrenders, one is open to true knowledge.

You are assuming that he isnt mistaken, arnt you?

Now, you are relying on your senses which are completely prone to misinformation. Because you are misinformed, you can't see the reason behind leaving reason aside.

No, I'm relying on reason. Senses indeed can be fooled. Reason shows me God and through reason I can be open to the Holy spirit. None of this can be found in following a man.

[thereisonlywe]

You are assuming that he isnt mistaken, arnt you?

No, I'm relying on reason. Senses indeed can be fooled. Reason shows me God and through reason I can be open to the Holy spirit. None of this can be found in following a man.

We are not assuming anything. We see...

You have to understand we only deny logic when it averts us from spiritual development and the Truth.

Love&Peace

[knightofthegrail]

We are not assuming anything. We see...

You have to understand we only deny logic when it averts us from spiritual development and the Truth.

Love&Peace

How do you know Buddha saw the truth?

Oh, and what's with the "we" thing?

[elderchild]

There is hope that there would be those reading this who have "seen" organized 'religion' for what it is, and not what it pretends to be, and have realized, not just read that "the natural man does not receive the things that are of The Spirit of G-D, for they are foolishness unto him and neither can he know them, for they needs be Spiritually discerned".......

With such a hope i submit the following, which i believe i received from "Our Father".

Simply, the corporate religion's of this day, catholicism, christianity, islam, judaism,,,,etc, are all anti-messiah ;-(

"Pure And Undefiled Religion"

"Pure religion and undefiled before G-D The Father is this, to visit the fatherless (those children who know not their Father, HE WHO is The Only True G-D, Father of ALL) and widows(those not joined together as One with The Messiah) in their affliction and to keep oneself uncontaminated by the world......." (James 1:27)

Simply, all other religion is impure and defiled.......

And notice that "pure and undefiled" religion is "oneself(individual)", a Brother or Sister doing The Will of Our Father, led of The Holy, Set Apart, Great Spirit.......

Simply, corporate "religion" is pagan and of this wicked world.......

And "Brothers and Sisters" is not "religion", for what are Brothers and Sisters if not Family?

Would not The Family of Our Father(Great Spirit,G-D,Creator) yet on earth, "The Body of The Messiah", be much closer than a natural, fleshly family?

And so it is that most of those who have chosen to follow The Messiah on The Narrow Way have had to "forsake their natural father, mother, brothers, sisters" and all others who "love this wicked world and their own life in and of it".......

The Brethren of The Messiah have "forsaken all for The Kingdom of Heaven's sake".......

Father Help! and HE does.......

What is declared to be "religion" today is truly the 'd'evil's playground.......

Simply, Faith will not create a system of religion.......

Hope is there would be those who take heed unto The Call of Our Father(Great Spirit,G-D,Creator) to "Come Out of her, MY people"!

For they will "Come Out" of this wicked world(babylon) and it's systems of religion, and enter into "the glorious Liberty of The Children of Our Father(Great Spirit,G-D,Creator)".

And so it is that they will no longer be of those who are destroying the earth(land, air, water, vegetation, creatures) and perverting that which is Spirit(Light, Truth, Life, Love, Peace, Hope, Faith, Mercy, Grace, Miracles, etc.) and their heart's desire is for a common union realized in a simple and spiritual life.......

Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this world and it's systems of religion, for "the WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth.......

Truth is forever, lies never existed and never will....... francis

[thereisonlywe]

How do you know Buddha saw the truth?

Oh, and what's with the "we" thing?

You should visit our website and read some of our lectures.

Love&Peace

[thereisonlywe]

There is hope that there would be those reading this who have "seen" organized 'religion' for what it is, and not what it pretends to be, and have realized, not just read that "the natural man does not receive the things that are of The Spirit of G-D, for they are foolishness unto him and neither can he know them, for they needs be Spiritually discerned".......

With such a hope i submit the following, which i believe i received from "Our Father".

Simply, the corporate religion's of this day, catholicism, christianity, islam, judaism,,,,etc, are all anti-messiah ;-(

"Pure And Undefiled Religion"

"Pure religion and undefiled before G-D The Father is this, to visit the fatherless (those children who know not their Father, HE WHO is The Only True G-D, Father of ALL) and widows(those not joined together as One with The Messiah) in their affliction and to keep oneself uncontaminated by the world......." (James 1:27)

Simply, all other religion is impure and defiled.......

And notice that "pure and undefiled" religion is "oneself(individual)", a Brother or Sister doing The Will of Our Father, led of The Holy, Set Apart, Great Spirit.......

Simply, corporate "religion" is pagan and of this wicked world.......

And "Brothers and Sisters" is not "religion", for what are Brothers and Sisters if not Family?

Would not The Family of Our Father(Great Spirit,G-D,Creator) yet on earth, "The Body of The Messiah", be much closer than a natural, fleshly family?

And so it is that most of those who have chosen to follow The Messiah on The Narrow Way have had to "forsake their natural father, mother, brothers, sisters" and all others who "love this wicked world and their own life in and of it".......

The Brethren of The Messiah have "forsaken all for The Kingdom of Heaven's sake".......

Father Help! and HE does.......

What is declared to be "religion" today is truly the 'd'evil's playground.......

Simply, Faith will not create a system of religion.......

Hope is there would be those who take heed unto The Call of Our Father(Great Spirit,G-D,Creator) to "Come Out of her, MY people"!

For they will "Come Out" of this wicked world(babylon) and it's systems of religion, and enter into "the glorious Liberty of The Children of Our Father(Great Spirit,G-D,Creator)".

And so it is that they will no longer be of those who are destroying the earth(land, air, water, vegetation, creatures) and perverting that which is Spirit(Light, Truth, Life, Love, Peace, Hope, Faith, Mercy, Grace, Miracles, etc.) and their heart's desire is for a common union realized in a simple and spiritual life.......

Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this world and it's systems of religion, for "the WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth.......

Truth is forever, lies never existed and never will....... francis

Yes

Love&Peace

[picha]

We are not promoting a prophet. You are free to follow any you would like. They all lead to Oneness.

We would only remind you that the One saved Muhammad for the last and Quran is the only text that was meant to be universal.

Muhammad was meant for people living beyond 7th century. All prophets accept this.

Love&Peace

Can you please define this 'oneness' that you keep mentioning.

[thereisonlywe]

Can you please define this 'oneness' that you keep mentioning.

Sure. It is the belief that there is nothing, but God. Thus, anything you experience is Him.

This will help:
http://www.cs.dal.ca/~kiziltan/oneness/Teachings/Lessons/Lesson%201%20-%20What%20Is%20God.docx

Love&Peace

[knightofthegrail]

You should visit our website and read some of our lectures.

Love&Peace

I dont like clicking on links in unknown websites.....could you answer here please.

[thereisonlywe]

I dont like clicking on links in unknown websites.....could you answer here please.

Well, we are afraid, it will be "unknown" to you in that case.

On the other hand, you could also visit our website and make it a "known" one.

Love&Peace

[knightofthegrail]

Well, we are afraid, it will be "unknown" to you in that case.

On the other hand, you could also visit our website and make it a "known" one.

Love&Peace

Please dont be facetious, the net is rife with viruses, all I am asking you to do is post it here. I have visited your website, and your data is not openly posted; it is only available if I download it....hence my request that you post it here.

[thereisonlywe]

Please dont be facetious, the net is rife with viruses, all I am asking you to do is post it here.

okay.

May Allah guide your path. “Every credit in anything belongs to Allah, the Rab of the worlds.” (1:2)
In order to answer what God is, we need to know what we are. First know that creation is not something that had happened and ended. Creation takes place continuously at full range. That means we are being created from top to the bottom in every instantaneous moment. Thus, when we refer to creation we refer to its stages rather than events that chronologically occurred.
You should well know that in nature things don’t emerge from nothing, but transform from something to another thing. This rule applies to the entire universe. Therefore we had to be something (along with rest of the universe) in order to be created. If it is all about transformation, why do we call this creation then? Because what is being transformed is too shallow to be called something that exists. The same reason why we don’t call an empty spot in deep space something that exists.
Speaking of highest degree of reality, there are two types of things. “Possibilities” and “Being”. Both types are indivisible in nature, and made up of nothing but themselves. “Possibilities” are neither dead nor alive. However, they are closer to being dead, since they are just possibilities. They don’t do anything, and they are different than each other in nature. They all “want to be created”. They don’t consciously do this. They don’t have intelligence or anything. Think of it as an atom’s preference of bonding.
There is only one thing that is of the type “Being”. That is Allah and we prefer referring to Allah in that particular stage as “Hu.” It is everything that can be known/experienced/felt. However, notice that no creation took place up to now. Thus there is no universe yet. Therefore, there is nothing (although they exist) that knows/experiences/feels anything (besides Hu). For that reason we could say the possibility of knowing/experiencing/feeling exists only (within Allah).
As Hu interacts with possibilities, universe starts being created. Hu doesn’t interact with all possibilities, because they are infinite in number. This is the reason why universe is expanding. Each time creation takes place, there are more possibilities involved. Since the reason why creation took place is whole another topic, we won’t delve into that here.
There is a specific order in stages of creation. Specifically, humans are created close to the end of a “creation cycle”. It is a cycle, because every time creation takes place death follows it afterwards, which basically means we are reborn continuously along with the rest of the universe. There are several reasons why we don’t perceive this. For now, you have to know that a creation cycle doesn’t result in a passage of time. Thanks to Einstein, when you consider relativity of time it shouldn’t be so hard to understand.
As creation takes place, the concept of a “Creator” emerges. We may refer to this Creator from different angles (according to what is created) and call It by different names. They are “Names Of Allah” where Allah is a non-specific name that we use to refer to It.
The most important thing here to know is possibilities don’t gain existence. They don’t exist alone themselves with creation, but only with Allah at Allah. Interaction of Hu with a possibility (with Allah at Allah) results in a “fixed fact”. That is what you are, compared to other beings in universe. A creation’s type (angel, djinn, plant, animal, human.. etc) and all of its properties are determined by its “fixed fact” (which is not random and determined by Allah depending on possibilities’ nature). A fixed fact is always in demand of things according to the nature it is created on. For example, an animal’s fixed fact would highly demand security and food.
Your conscious and perception is not on your fixed fact. It is only parallel to your fixed fact. That means, it has an effect on you, but it is not where you look at the universe (remember we can engage in abstract thinking by either role-playing or through spiritual practice). Specifically, your identity is between your fixed fact and Allah (as the whole). If you also consider your fixed fact can only exist with Allah at Allah, you (as your identity) are surrounded from all directions by Allah.
Therefore, there is no you without Allah, and there is no Allah without you. That doesn’t mean Allah is dependent on you. Allah is always there, but there has to be a perceiver (for Creation only; Allah’s existence is imperative). And that perceiver can only exist with Allah at Allah by Allah’s will. Since Allah has chosen to create, It is eternal as well as anything It creates.
We can define “you” now. You are Allah’s reflection on a mirror which is your fixed fact. Some mirrors show one smaller, bigger, strange (like ones in circus). In the same way, you reflect Him in a certain way. Notice that a mirror does not do this consciously. It is passive (no effort put), while active (there occurs a change in the image on the mirror depending who/what is in front of it) . So, there is no free will. The reason you are not aware of this, is the fact that you don’t exist without Him. You can’t separate Allah from yourself. You are Him, but not Himself. This is what we mean in our teachings by “Oneness.”
Specifically, we call Allah by the name God, due to Allah’s superiority and difference from possibilities. God sets the rules and we can only obey them. You might say, “I can do whatever I want.” We would say, “Then change the weather!”. The reason you can do what you do is the fact that Allah allows Itself (you can’t be defined outside of Him) to act on Itself. Thus, we can only know about God by how/when Allah acts on Itself. This is the knowledge of “Names Of Allah”. And knowledge of “Names Of Allah” is knowledge of the universe (there is none besides Him).
However that wouldn’t lead to knowing Allah as a whole. Allah as a whole is unknowable. The first reason is, everyone’s experience of Him is unique (due to his/her fixed fact). The second reason is, there are infinite amount of possibilities that has not been created yet. Through taking the path to Oneness one would learn about how the One manifests Itself instead. It is a wrong practice to think of or talk about Allah’s core (Allah as an individual). Because, you can’t fit a pencil case (define the whole) in a pencil (by observing a reflection of whole).
Thus, it is not only wrong to think of Him as “the old man sitting at his chair above clouds”, but it is also wrong to claim He is not (“the old man sitting at his chair above clouds”). One rule to keep in mind: Neither limit/bound Him or deny Him. This is the rule that leads to peace, and eventually to Oneness.
“… Allah speaks the truth and He guides to the way” (33:4).

Love&Peace

[knightofthegrail]

okay.

Thankyou :)

When you speak of religion, are you speaking of the practices mentioned in the "5 pillars" (your writing is a little confusing in places, including triple negatives for example)?

[thereisonlywe]

Thankyou :)

When you speak of religion, are you speaking of the practices mentioned in the "5 pillars" (your writing is a little confusing in places, including triple negatives for example)?

You are welcome. Yes, but not limited to those. Practices depend on from what perspective you want to approach Oneness. The religion itself tells you to be a peace-maker who believes in one God (doesn't matter what you call Him) and His prophets (as paths that lead to Him). And spiritual practice is what helps you achieve it. Thus, it is not the goal, but a tool to reach the goal.

We admit our writing might be confusing, because it has too much depth. You may want to read it from the link. It will be easier with proper formatting.

Love&Peace

[elderchild]

Please dont be facetious, the net is rife with viruses, all I am asking you to do is post it here. I have visited your website, and your data is not openly posted; it is only available if I download it....hence my request that you post it here.

Extreme caution and understanding is needed here.......

Any web-site that would publish the following and whose information is not openly posted needs be avoided:

"you have to unlearn what you have learned and leave prejudice behind."

Hope is that the author of the web-site would take heed unto his own words.......

Father Help! and HE does.......

[thereisonlywe]

Extreme caution and understanding is needed here.......

Any web-site that would publish the following and whose information is not openly posted needs be avoided:

"you have to unlearn what you have learned and leave prejudice behind."

Hope is that the author of the web-site would take heed unto his own words.......

Father Help! and HE does.......

My friend, you did just the thing you were not supposed to do: Approached with prejudice.

Why is everyone so defensive here, as if everyone is abused in their childhood?

Love&Peace

[dedicate]

It's just hte anti-religious faction,tiow.who behave in this way. Many many on this forum are supportive of the Muslims,, or at least the understanding of controls and right use and freedom of believing.


I think those who don't know much about religion are being quite nice, actually and mostly, in responding. I've heard a lot worse from "That Side of the Isle" recently. It may be the Western custom of acceptance of cursing that may be what you find most offensive?. Only in America and Britain is this a culture necessity.-- to be abusive. If you read between the lines then one can see the inquiring and supportive nature of their arguements (neo-classical sense of argue equelling counter-point) Adress those things, and the ones not all caught up in hate will understand you. One good place to start may be in the areana of secular tastes and how improvement on those things lead to more sacred matters.

[dedicate]

Does the Koran speak about vegitarianism?

[loveisthelaw]

Does the Koran speak about vegitarianism?

It speaks of food, what is halal and what is haram. You can eat what you like as long as it is not haram.

[dedicate]

Sometimes those verses can be hidden in the texts or hidden just by what is not said. For example, the only time it is mentioned in the New Testament of Jesus actually eating anything was one time. It places him at supper many times, but only this one mention of him eating. This is why we don't know the Christian point of view on Vegitarianism? One is left to be as one chooses?

We also find mention in Genesis, that it is the seed bearing plant and herb man was given to eat. So, are there any passages in the Koran which may FAVOR a meatless diet?

[thereisonlywe]

Sometimes those verses can be hidden in the texts or hidden just by what is not said. For example, the only time it is mentioned in the New Testament of Jesus actually eating anything was one time. It places him at supper at times, but only this one mention of him eating. This is why we don't know the Christian point of view on Vegitarianism?

We also find mention in Genesis, that it is the seed bearing plant and herb man was given to eat. So, are there any passages in the Koran which may FAVOR a meatless diet?

We have never thought about this before dedicate. Thank you for pointing that out. We made some searches on Quran, and you are right.

"It is He Who sendeth down rain from the skies: with it We produce vegetation of all kinds: from some We produce green (crops), out of which We produce grain, heaped up (at harvest); out of the date-palm and its sheaths (or spathes) (come) clusters of dates hanging low and near: and (then there are) gardens of grapes, and olives, and pomegranates, each similar (in kind) yet different (in variety): when they begin to bear fruit, feast your eyes with the fruit and the ripeness thereof. Behold! in these things there are signs for people who believe." (6:99)

"It is He Who produceth gardens, with trellises and without, and dates, and tilth with produce of all kinds, and olives and pomegranates, similar (in kind) and different (in variety): eat of their fruit in their season, but render the dues that are proper on the day that the harvest is gathered. But waste not by excess: for Allah loveth not the wasters." (6:141)

"With it He produces for you corn, olives, date-palms, grapes and every kind of fruit: verily in this is a sign for those who give thought." (16:11)

Love&Peace

[loveisthelaw]

Sometimes those verses can be hidden in the texts or hidden just by what is not said. For example, the only time it is mentioned in the New Testament of Jesus actually eating anything was one time. It places him at supper many times, but only this one mention of him eating. This is why we don't know the Christian point of view on Vegitarianism? One is left to be as one chooses?

We also find mention in Genesis, that it is the seed bearing plant and herb man was given to eat. So, are there any passages in the Koran which may FAVOR a meatless diet?

The verses are clear, you can eat any halal food, of which the criterion of halal and haram are listed. The same goes for animals, the criterion for halal and haram are listed.

Anything else is classed according to the sunnah:

That can be: disliked, fine and preferred.

Islam does not shy away from eating the meat of animals, however it is not a must - as I said you can eat what you like providing it is halal.

The cow, we are allowed to use it to help with work, to enjoy it's milk, use it's skin for clothing and eat it's meat for food.

[thereisonlywe]

The verses are clear, you can eat any halal food, of which the criterion of halal and haram are listed. The same goes for animals, the criterion for halal and haram are listed.

Anything else is classed according to the sunnah:

That can be: disliked, fine and preferred. The religion is clear but simple and it does not shy away from eating the meat of animals. The cow, we are allowed to use it to help with work, to enjoy it's milk, use it's skin for clothing and eat it's meat for food.

Yes, but Quran purposefully uses vegetables as examples. So, it is okay to eat meat, but one should not build his diet on meat only and prefer vegetables more.

Love&Peace

[loveisthelaw]

There is nothing that favours a meatless diet.

It is haram (forbidden) to make meat forbidden because Allah made it permissible however that does not mean you have to eat it if you do not like it. But you can not make it forbidden for others.

Man was made with a stomach and teeth that digest both meat and non-meat substances so one can assume that it was the intention to eat both, according to their season.

[loveisthelaw]

Yes, but Quran purposefully uses vegetables as examples. So, it is okay to eat meat, but one should not build his diet on meat only and prefer vegetables more.

Love&Peace

Right, balance.

Vegetables, Fruit, Oats, Fish and other white meat, red Meats - all part of a balanced diet.

There are more non-meat foods than meats, so one can assume you should treat that like the mouth and ears. You have two ears and one mouth so listen twice as much as you speak. Same thing for food.

Leave any you do not like the taste of, eat more of what you prefer according to the laws of Allah :)

[loveisthelaw]

Just to add - my personal choice is to eat meat twice a week maximum, and one time a week for fish, sometimes I swap this around according to how I feel because I find too much meat in the diet detrimental. The rest is pasta's, rices, potato's and veggies.

Tonight I had soft boiled rice with a spicy curry potato and peas - was delicious :)

[thereisonlywe]

Right, balance.

Vegetables, Fruit, Oats, Fish and other white meat, red Meats - all part of a balanced diet.

There are more non-meat foods than meats, so one can assume you should treat that like the mouth and ears. You have two ears and one mouth so listen twice as much as you speak. Same thing for food.

Leave any you do not like the taste of, eat more of what you prefer according to the laws of Allah :)

Well, actually it is not like that. It depends on where you are living. If you are living on the poles you must eat meat. Otherwise, you don't need to. It is better if your diet is mostly on vegetables. We rely on kashf for saying these.

Love&Peace

[thereisonlywe]

Just to add - my personal choice is to eat meat twice a week maximum, and one time a week for fish, sometimes I swap this around according to how I feel because I find too much meat in the diet detrimental. The rest is pasta's, rices, potato's and veggies.

Tonight I had soft boiled rice with a spicy curry potato and peas - was delicious :)

That doesn't look unbalanced. : )

Love&Peace

[loveisthelaw]

Well, actually it is not like that. It depends on where you are living. If you are living on the poles you must eat meat. Otherwise, you don't need to. It is better if your diet is mostly on vegetables. We rely on kashf for saying these.

Love&Peace

It does depend on where you are living. And fruit and vegetables are cheaper, easier to prepare and grow quicker.

The curried meat was the Prophet SAWS favourite meal, second only to eating any food with a group people so as to share and ensure others wer enot hungry, so I enjoy eating a meat curry too :)

[loveisthelaw]

That doesn't look unbalanced. : )

Love&Peace

It was amazing, my wife alhamdullilah is a wonderful cook and makes all kinds of delicious meals.

[thereisonlywe]

It was amazing, my wife alhamdullilah is a wonderful cook and makes all kinds of delicious meals.

hehe : )

Love&Peace

[elderchild]

My friend, you did just the thing you were not supposed to do: Approached with prejudice.

Why is everyone so defensive here, as if everyone is abused in their childhood?

Love&Peace

You are prejudice!

Simply sad for you ;-(

[picha]

.

The curried meat was the Prophet SAWS favourite meal,

And wanking was his favorite pass-time:

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 230:
Narrated 'Aisha:
as above (229).

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 232:
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 233:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.


Wow... Mohammad was quite the man. I am sure Bukhari included these verses because of his admiration and total respect for Mohammad.

Yet, once again, this story brings to mind several questions regarding the life and times of Mohammad.

1) If Mohammad had many wives, why was his semen on his clothes?
a) Did Mohammad withdraw and get the semen on hmself?
b) Couldn't Mohammad have shot the semen somewhere else?
c) Was Mohammad the inventor of the "money shot" which resulted in his poor aim?
d) What type of sexual moves was Mohammad pioneering where Aisha was just never able to clean all the semen stains of his cloak?
2) Why didn't Mohammad use another cloak before he went to preach?
a) As a prophet who was entitled to 20% of the war booty, couldnt he have at least obtained another cloak/robe just for that reason?
b) Couldnt Mohammad have waited until the wet spots used to clean his semen were dry before he went to preach?
3) How much semen did Mohammad have on his cloak, seeing how Aisha would always find another spot?
4) Was it customary for people in 600 AD Arabia to have semen on their clothing, especially considering that Aisha made it a point to relate this story to several people, as if she were complaining about having to clean Mohammad's semen stains?

And finally, a question for modern day Muslims:

If Mohammad is the perfect human being, and should be imitated by all Muslims, shouldn't all Muslims make sure to have semen stains on their clothing, and then have their wives clean it with water before they go and work, in order to faithfully imitate their prophet?

[elderchild]

My friend, you did just the thing you were not supposed to do: Approached with prejudice.

Why is everyone so defensive here, as if everyone is abused in their childhood?

Love&Peace

Modified previous response:

You are prejudice!

Simply sad for you ;-(

And all others who are held captive by the systems of religion that are of this world ;-(

Especially so-called 'biblical' or 'quran' based theo'ry'logical systems which but carry on the legacy of the pharisee.......

Yet there is hope!

For Miracles do happen.......

Hope is there would be those who would be "set free, free indeed"!

Those who are "set free" are truly "strangers and pilgrims while on the earth" just as The Messiah was, and as The Messiah was hated and despised by the religious ones, so they also are hated and despised both by the religious ones and all others who "love this wicked world and their own life in and of it".......

Father Help! and HE does.......

[picha]

And wanking was his favorite pass-time:

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 229:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for prayers while traces of water were still on it (water spots were still visible).

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 230:
Narrated 'Aisha:
as above (229).

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 231:
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked 'Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 232:
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:
I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 233:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to wash the semen off the clothes of the Prophet and even then I used to notice one or more spots on them.


Wow... Mohammad was quite the man. I am sure Bukhari included these verses because of his admiration and total respect for Mohammad.

Yet, once again, this story brings to mind several questions regarding the life and times of Mohammad.

1) If Mohammad had many wives, why was his semen on his clothes?
a) Did Mohammad withdraw and get the semen on hmself?
b) Couldn't Mohammad have shot the semen somewhere else?
c) Was Mohammad the inventor of the "money shot" which resulted in his poor aim?
d) What type of sexual moves was Mohammad pioneering where Aisha was just never able to clean all the semen stains of his cloak?
2) Why didn't Mohammad use another cloak before he went to preach?
a) As a prophet who was entitled to 20% of the war booty, couldnt he have at least obtained another cloak/robe just for that reason?
b) Couldnt Mohammad have waited until the wet spots used to clean his semen were dry before he went to preach?
3) How much semen did Mohammad have on his cloak, seeing how Aisha would always find another spot?
4) Was it customary for people in 600 AD Arabia to have semen on their clothing, especially considering that Aisha made it a point to relate this story to several people, as if she were complaining about having to clean Mohammad's semen stains?

And finally, a question for modern day Muslims:

If Mohammad is the perfect human being, and should be imitated by all Muslims, shouldn't all Muslims make sure to have semen stains on their clothing, and then have their wives clean it with water before they go and work, in order to faithfully imitate their prophet?
ANy muslims got anything to say about that?

[decode reality]

May Allah guide your path. “Every credit in anything belongs to Allah, the Rab of the worlds.” (1:2)

You have to know that there has always been one religion. Wherever and under whatever name it emerged, it was the same religion. The reason we have many different religions in today’s world is due to changes religions undergo through time. Religion has almost always been used to manipulate people and thus has been altered to fit certain people’s benefits.

You might say God could have prevented this from happening. We agree with you, but there is something you don’t know. Although we here tell you there is only one religion, majority of people think otherwise and they will keep defending their religion (!) not only against other religions (!), but also against the religion itself. Thus, the change in names of religion is a test of faith to see if you are worshiping the One or only a name that you get acquainted with where you grew up. Specifically, it is a test to determine if there is a vehicle (person, name, community…etc) between you and God.

By thinking of Hinduism or similar religions, you might wonder how polytheism emerged. Know that, polytheism is nothing but corruption of monotheism. Today’s Christianity is a perfect example to understand how people are able to turn one god into many. People took a similitude made by Jesus as an actual thing and one misunderstanding resulted in a dramatic change.

Know that people’s favor of polytheism is not a random thing. Since we all live in duality, we instinctually move towards pluralism. This gives rise to need for religion. Religion is the path that leads to Oneness. Oneness is the door that opens to absolute truth, gives one true freedom and saves one from continuous up and downs in his/her mood. One’s experience of Oneness depends on how well (s)he follows the religion.

Religious or not we are all subject to same laws. We are living in a perfect system that is entirely built on cause-effect relationship. We are quite sure you are familiar with this relationship and thus you should well know one has to do something if (s)he wants something to happen. Similarly, acts that religion favors help you build a better life for yourself. It is not about afterlife alone. Since our aim here is not to prove God’s existence, this is enough (for a believer) as a motivation for following the religion (rather than his/her own mind).

Religion denies the validity of information we obtain through our senses. It makes its own definitions of what is good and what is not. One might approach religion logically and bring logical explanations to religious practices to share with other people who are not involved in religion. However, that wouldn’t be logical in itself. You have to know, higher knowledge can only be obtained through submission. As long as you rely heavily on your mind and take judgmental attitude towards environment, you won’t reach the Truth. Although your intention may be good, you can only speculate about countless possibilities which will baffle your own mind as well as others’.

One who is with/at/from the Truth well knows that religion is something that people either accept or not. (s)He would only take time to explain religious practices to one who is already involved in them, and not to one who takes a critical attitude. However, there are people who are seeking for answers and they definitely deserve a good explanation. But still, religion must not be dyed to a certain color just to make it seem good. If there is religion, one needs to show respect for the owner of it and present it in the way the owner favors.

How do we reach religion? We reach religion by following Islam, unity through love and peace. Be careful, we don’t mean what is portrayed today under the name of “Islam”. You should understand that no religion can survive as a name, because there will always be people benefiting from the name. The religion can only survive within. Thus, you have to hold on to love and peace (both inner and outer). If Allah wills, you will later on learn that inner peace can only be reached through outer peace (and the vice versa).

Besides that, you have to know what religion forbids and advises. The more you know, the more mindful you will be. Religion is best learned by understanding Quran. Reading Quran won’t help you much unless you understand it. Read it in your language and make use of different translations.

Quran is not a book that can be read like fiction. One needs to spend serious time on the verses. There are seven reasons of information loss that one is faced with when reading Quran. First is that you can’t be absolutely sure about what a specific word means in the context. Second, language changes through time. Third, a verse may point to different things at the same time, but only one of these will appear on the translation. Fourth, there are no perfect matches for certain words in other languages. Fifth, the meaning depends on who is reading it. Sixth, as time and society changes application of the verse changes as well. Seventh, there are hidden meanings that get lost in translation. Additionally, one has to compare a verse with all the other verses in Quran to understand it. If another verse contradicts it, then you are not focusing on the true meaning of the verse.

We also advise you to check sources that are on Oneness. Always filter each source’s validity by Quran. That doesn’t mean don’t make use of sources that don’t involve some of the practices that are in Quran (like salat). Just don’t accept something that contradicts with Quran. You must know that although Quran itself is not a concrete book, the main way to reach Quran is with the help of Quran book.

Never forget: All religions are one and they all lead to Oneness in their original form.

“… Allah speaks the truth and He guides to the way” (33:4).

Love&Peace

:rolleyes:

Instead of all the rhetoric, why not cut to the chase and say what you meant? Which essentially was this:

"There has only been one religion - the one that I follow. Mine is the best and the others are corrupted version of it".

It's a good thing most people on this forum aren't swayed by this kind of snake oil post, and call organised religion" for what it is - a dismal failure.

Sorry, not interested.

[elirien]

:rolleyes:

Instead of all the rhetoric, why not cut to the chase and say what you meant? Which essentially was this:

"There has only been one religion - the one that I follow. Mine is the best and the others are corrupted version of it".

It's a good thing most people on this forum aren't swayed by this kind of snake oil post, and call organised religion" for what it is - a dismal failure.

Sorry, not interested.

No that is what you are saying brother.

Also, do you understand the organization of religion? key: It is not some people huddling around a book, neither a book, neither about people. what is organized religion to you? Makes one also ask "what is organ-ised"?

[elderchild]

There is hope that there would be those reading this who have "seen" organized 'religion' for what it is, and not what it pretends to be, and have realized, not just read that "the natural man does not receive the things that are of The Spirit of G-D, for they are foolishness unto him and neither can he know them, for they needs be Spiritually discerned".......

With such a hope i submit the following, which i believe i received from "Our Father".

"Pure And Undefiled Religion"

"Pure religion and undefiled before G-D The Father is this, to visit the fatherless (those children who know not their Father, HE WHO is The Only True G-D, Father of ALL) and widows(those not joined together as One with The Messiah) in their affliction and to keep oneself uncontaminated by the world......." (James 1:27)

Simply, all other religion is impure and defiled.......

And notice that "pure and undefiled" religion is "oneself(individual)", a Brother or Sister doing The Will of Our Father, led of The Holy, Set Apart, Great Spirit.......

Simply, corporate "religion" is pagan and of this wicked world.......

And "Brothers and Sisters" is not "religion", for what are Brothers and Sisters if not Family?

Would not The Family of Our Father(Great Spirit,G-D,Creator) yet on earth, "The Body of The Messiah", be much closer than a natural, fleshly family?

And so it is that most of those who have chosen to follow The Messiah on The Narrow Way have had to "forsake their natural father, mother, brothers, sisters" and all others who "love this wicked world and their own life in and of it".......

The Brethren of The Messiah have "forsaken all for The Kingdom of Heaven's sake".......

Father Help! and HE does.......

What is declared to be "religion" today is truly the 'd'evil's playground.......

Simply, Faith will not create a system of religion.......

Hope is there would be those who take heed unto The Call of Our Father(Great Spirit,G-D,Creator) to "Come Out of her, MY people"!

For they will "Come Out" of this wicked world(babylon) and it's systems of religion, and enter into "the glorious Liberty of The Children of Our Father(Great Spirit,G-D,Creator)".

And so it is that they will no longer be of those who are destroying the earth(land, air, water, vegetation, creatures) and perverting that which is Spirit(Light, Truth, Life, Love, Peace, Hope, Faith, Mercy, Grace, Miracles, etc.) and their heart's desire is for a common union realized in a simple and spiritual life.......

Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this world and it's systems of religion, for "the WHOLE(not just a portion) world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth.......

Truth is forever, lies never existed and never will....... francis