Has david lost it?

[informationx]

Does anyone find the promotional blurb for davids new book a bit off putting?

His most staggering revelation is that the Earth and the collective human mind is manipulated from the Moon, which, he says, is not a ‘heavenly body’, but an artificial construct – a gigantic ‘spacecraft’ (probably a hollowed-out 'planetoid') – which is home to the extraterrestrial group that has been manipulating humanity for aeons.

He describes what he calls the ‘Moon Matrix’, a fake reality broadcast from the Moon which is decoded by the human body/mind in much the same way as portrayed in the Matrix movie trilogy. The Moon Matrix has ‘hacked’ into the human ‘body-computer’ system, he says, and it is feeding us a manipulated sense of self and the world 24/7

Can anyone who is a freethinker really take it seriously?

Whats your thoughts? thanks.

[inverselogic]

Does anyone find the promotional blurb for davids new book a bit off putting?



Can anyone who is a freethinker really take it seriously?

Whats your thoughts? thanks.


As a freethinker, I will say it is possible. However, it would be a hard sell to get me to believe it.


I've never 100% believed everything icke says, though much of it is obviously true. I mainly enjoy the way he presents his information. I'll just file this in the same place as reptilians - the "possible but implausible" file. I'll never say he is wrong without absolute dis-proof.

[freedom1st]

Can he prove it?

[bobbydiva]

Well he talks about the world being a hologram, vibrations etc. I guess it could make sense that the Hologram is controlled from the moon. But what then is the moon? Is that outside of the Matrix?

I'll have to read it to comment properly.

[haukipesukone]

Can anyone who is a freethinker take the OP seriously?

[informationx]

Can anyone who is a freethinker take the OP seriously?

Just to play a game with you, im a freethinker and I take my post seriously.

Its just that the moon is moving away from the earth about 38mm per year. So a base inside a planet would need to increase its power output for the broadcast to keep the shaved chimps in line. If I was an advanced alien race, I could think of a better system of control.

[knightofthegrail]

It is, to be honest, a fair question....

The idea of the moon being "a hollow space-station projecting a mass delusion" is going to need some serious proving if this isnt going to be the grand finale of Icke's career as he heads off into an asylum (or elite-funded retirement on account of the damage this will do to his whole anti-NWO message) :-/

[newworldengineer]

wow, ummmm... That's a pretty outthere idea! :eek: so where does this leave the elite down here? Does this dot connect in with how he's explained what's going off before or is it a case of forget everything you knew about this conspiracy?

I guess I really need to get the book to have these questions in my head answered.

[haukipesukone]

Just to play a game with you, im a freethinker and I take my post seriously.

Its just that the moon is moving away from the earth about 38mm per year. So a base inside a planet would need to increase its power output for the broadcast to keep the shaved chimps in line. If I was an advanced alien race, I could think of a better system of control.

There's been several threads about this already, and together with a team of advanced 7th level aliens we came up with an answer: read the book before commenting on it's contents.

[nicolaj]

It is, to be honest, a fair question....

The idea of the moon being "a hollow space-station projecting a mass delusion" is going to need some serious proving if this isnt going to be the grand finale of Icke's career as he heads off into an asylum (or elite-funded retirement on account of the damage this will do to his whole anti-NWO message) :-/



Wondered the same kind of thing myself, though he will always have his hardcore followers.

[merlincove]

the moon undoubtedly has a physiological and sociological effect on the human system, and indeed the word lunatic has been derived from reactive accounts shown in individuals when the moon is full.

Science tells us that the moon has an effect on the ocean’s tides, and such can be recorded during the moons cycles, that it has an energetic effect on the worlds sea’s, varaiantly pushing and pulling to effect the worlds tidal patterns. The moon may also affect the water and liquid crystalline basis of the human physical suit, and has been shown to have a direct correlation with mood swings etc.

Of course the moon affects us, sometimes in measurable accounts, as can be attributed to the female’s moon cycles and divisory through 13 cycles per year, perfectly reflecting the season as a balanced measure.

On a subtle level the moon is a hugely powerful energetic frequency overseeing much of humanities unconscious nature as well as a prime marker of the world’s planetary changes.

So given that it governs so much, both on subtle and physical levels, it clearly is a major player in the matrix philosophy.

All that we see, understand and feel are aspects of the matrix, this world is fully immersed in the matrix, and it is only human consciousness that has the ability to see beyond the illusory aspects that play out around us. The draconian / reptilians are also a part of the basic matrix programme, the Agent smith of the programme.

I’m looking forward to reading the book, and looking forward to how David portrays this theory in conjunction to what he has written before.

[informationx]

There's been several threads about this already, and together with a team of advanced 7th level aliens we came up with an answer: read the book before commenting on it's contents.


Yes Ill read the book, but it doesnt stop one from passing comment on the outline that was given as the advert for the book. What are you some kind of thought controller?

[sorath]

Good theory but thats all it is really a theory. it's exactly like believing in god, nothing can prove it and you have to rely on faith. Sorry Mr. Icke but I like evidence not faith.

[merlincove]

There's been several threads about this already, and together with a team of advanced 7th level aliens we came up with an answer: read the book before commenting on it's contents.

:D

Excellent post ;)

[informationx]

Good theory but thats all it is really a theory. it's exactly like believing in god, nothing can prove it and you have to rely on faith. Sorry Mr. Icke but I like evidence not faith.

Yes indeed, and strictly its not a theory in the scientific sense - rather a hypothesis or a guess about how it could work.

[sorath]

Yes indeed, and strictly its not a theory in the scientific sense - rather a hypothesis or a guess about how it could work.


Exactly.

I will probably read the book if I can get it from the library. I like to look at the source material that David quotes in his books. Half the time he it referencing information as though it is a disproveable fact but the information coming from a source that is just theorising what David is offering as proof.

Seems questionable to me.

[haukipesukone]

Yes Ill read the book, but it doesnt stop one from passing comment on the outline that was given as the advert for the book. What are you some kind of thought controller?

If I were, you wouldn't have started this thread... *queue ominous music*

[informationx]

Its ok ive found the moon aliens

We Like The Moon - YouTube

:D

[littlegreenman]

David hasn't 'lost it'. He's just found/learnt/thinks of things that are important to him, thus maybe also to you too. We don't have to agree fully with EVERYTHING he put's forward. We're all individuals after all.
Read what he writes and take from it what you feel most comfortable with. Nobody is making you believe anything.

[mrindigo]

With everything David Icke has covered, I'm not sure why his sanity is now being brought into question. The man has covered some out-there concepts, so why now and not before?

[nicolaj]

Its ok ive found the moon aliens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9MZNEXrElw

:D

:D

my favorites the clangers

[bardofely]

I am not surprised. Alex Collier has talked about the Moon being actually a spacecraft that was brought here and how it is not what people think it is but is actually a gigantic hollow craft. Sounds like David has followed on from this.

[edward123]

Has david lost it?

I thinks its more a case of he has run out of ideas. Remember this is his career and how he earns a living. Claiming the moon is a spaceship is a clever tactic to increase sales. Most of the people who will buy it are just looking for something to blame for what is going on in the world. Now its apparently the moons fault.

[velma]

We might as well throw the fkn towel in now then, because we can't rise up against the Moon aliens!! :rolleyes:

[texdallas]

Does anyone find the promotional blurb for davids new book a bit off putting?



Can anyone who is a freethinker really take it seriously?

Whats your thoughts? thanks.

I've been a DI fan a long time but things are getting out of hand. I suppose it only his own cred his hurting. I'm sure it'll be a fun read tho

[texdallas]

Can he prove it?

Can anybody here prove anything?

[winegums]

I'm no astrophysicist...but if the moon is hollow then wouldn't it lack the mass necessary to shift the tides?

[informationx]

I'm no astrophysicist...but if the moon is hollow then wouldn't it lack the mass necessary to shift the tides?

Yes i think you are right.

[mrindigo]

I'm no astrophysicist...but if the moon is hollow then wouldn't it lack the mass necessary to shift the tides?

Good point there, though some argue that the tidal shifts are cause by the rotation of Earth. Like you, I'm no astrophysicist, so I couldn't do much more than speculate.

[texdallas]

I am not surprised. Alex Collier has talked about the Moon being actually a spacecraft that was brought here and how it is not what people think it is but is actually a gigantic hollow craft. Sounds like David has followed on from this.

Isn't that all he's ever done?

[freedom1st]

Can anybody here prove anything?

Well I can prove it's daylight at the moment in the UK and that I have trees in my garden and that I'm sitting at a keyboard typing this message. I'm not asking for the moon to be brought to me so I can see the pesky ET's doing their programming. Just an idea of how would be good, I'd even settle for balance of probability.

[haukipesukone]

the moon undoubtedly has a physiological and sociological effect on the human system, and indeed the word lunatic has been derived from reactive accounts shown in individuals when the moon is full.

Science tells us that the moon has an effect on the ocean’s tides, and such can be recorded during the moons cycles, that it has an energetic effect on the worlds sea’s, varaiantly pushing and pulling to effect the worlds tidal patterns. The moon may also affect the water and liquid crystalline basis of the human physical suit, and has been shown to have a direct correlation with mood swings etc.

Of course the moon affects us, sometimes in measurable accounts, as can be attributed to the female’s moon cycles and divisory through 13 cycles per year, perfectly reflecting the season as a balanced measure.

On a subtle level the moon is a hugely powerful energetic frequency overseeing much of humanities unconscious nature as well as a prime marker of the world’s planetary changes.


What's this, unarguable facts support Icke's claims and somebody has the audacity to point that out? Where is this forum going to?

[littlegreenman]

Can anybody here prove anything?

Exactly Texdallas. EVERYTHING that is written/said. Is open to interpretation. Take 'what is said or written' and do more research on the subject! Then come back and then we can discuss what you've researched.

[texdallas]

Well I can prove it's daylight at the moment in the UK and that I have trees in my garden and that I'm sitting at a keyboard typing this message. I'm not asking for the moon to be brought to me so I can see the pesky ET's doing their programming. Just an idea of how would be good, I'd even settle for balance of probability.

I don't belive you have trees in the garden...Prove it...

[turquoisefire777]

reminds me abit of this game:

http://www.infiniteundiscovery.com/

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/821710/infinite-undiscovery/videos/infiniteund_vidreview_082708.html

[the moral man]

Dear Friends
kind regards
I think that I agree with Eric Hufschmid's take on the situation as described on the following article.
1. http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Space-Aliens.htm
Here is the stated quote from the above article that is relevant in this case.

Jeff Rense, of rense.com, often uses the expression "think beyond the box" during his radio show in order to encourage people to believe in space aliens. This is just an attempt to manipulate us. Rense has no intelligent evidence to justify the theory that space aliens exist, so he is trying to use emotional manipulation to make us feel as if we are "narrow minded" for not believing in the aliens.

We don't need people to "think beyond boxes". We need people to find supporting evidence for their opinions. If you don't have supporting evidence, you don't have anything worth talking about.

Sometimes being accused of not thinking outside of the box can be compared to not wanting one's head to be filled with unprovable nonsense, total open-mindedness is the other extreme to the padlocked brain extreme.
A person's mind should be open to reasonable possibility, but one should have a 'bullshit monitor' to filter out the obvious rubbish coming from the alternative press (in particular from the New Age Movement speakers who appear on Project Camelot).
Icke brings forth tremendous knowledge on government conspiracies, secret societies and the corruption that stems from both.
The problem with Icke (and all of these researchers it seems) is that they link all of this in with the unprovable jargon about Aliens.
Now Icke is saying that that the Earth and the Moon is an artificial construct built by Aliens which controls the collective human mind?
I am beginning to suspect that Icke is now becoming infected by the 'Wilcock syndrome' (simply put, pulling theories out of thin air and selling them).
Naturally I will buy his latest book to see his reasoning behind this (plus all of the concrete evidence about the World conspiracy that he will add to it) and take it from there.
Icke's Repilian theory is the most questionable of his entire work, but now he is adding other unprovable things to his texts.
I appreciate Icke's work, but I think that he should deal with the provable things and not things that he could never prove.
yours thankfully
John

[freedom1st]

I don't belive you have trees in the garden...Prove it...

Come on over and I'll show you!

[texdallas]

Come on over and I'll show you!

Nice one

[noobcybot]

Are you suggesting DI is a LUNARtic? HAH!

[mrindigo]

reminds me abit of this game:

http://www.infiniteundiscovery.com/

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/821710/infinite-undiscovery/videos/infiniteund_vidreview_082708.html

Interesting game concept. If I owned a console, I'd probably buy that game. Thanks for sharing. :)

[mikey mikey]

FFS give David a chance!

[king triad]

Ive known the moon was a space station for years I applaud Icke for bringing this to light!

[guuna]

It can scarcely be considered a new theory about the moon being an alien construct.

I read it in the Usbourne Book Of UFO'S (Kiddies book) way back in 1979. It was first forwarded by two Soviet scientist back in the seventies.

I even remember being chastised after showing the article to my mom's landlord and him telling me that the moon definately broke off from the earth.(how he knew this I don't know) and that those two Russians were crackpots.

[turquoisefire777]

Interesting game concept. If I owned a console, I'd probably buy that game. Thanks for sharing. :)
sure,
anytime;)



http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/262/935661_20060920_screen002.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/262/935661_20060920_screen002.jpg

[freedom1st]

It can scarcely be considered a new theory about the moon being an alien construct.

I read it in the Usbourne Book Of UFO'S (Kiddies book) way back in 1979. It was first forwarded by two Soviet scientist back in the seventies.

I even remember being chastised after showing the article to my mom's landlord and him telling me that the moon definately broke off from the earth.(how he knew this I don't know) and that those two Russians were crackpots.

Perhaps this is why it was so important for them to hoax a moon landing so they can say we know, we've been there and it's just like we showed you on the vids.

[whiterain]

who knows exactly how it happens but the moon must have some effect on the energy from the sun that reaches the earth. could that have a direct effect on consciosness? of course it would, whether on purpose or not

[texdallas]

FFS give David a chance!

No he's written loads of books and is as open to criticism as every other writer.

[gods sun]

its was my point from along time he cant prove it, he comes up with ridiculous theories which would make any free thinker or public laugh at you, in return you get depressed and so on..

icke has a good idea, hes just gone a little over board.

look, now icke hasn't got any new information to give us, so now he just coming up with utter bullsh... to fill the void.

[whiterain]

the moon undoubtedly has a physiological and sociological effect on the human system, and indeed the word lunatic has been derived from reactive accounts shown in individuals when the moon is full.

Science tells us that the moon has an effect on the ocean’s tides, and such can be recorded during the moons cycles, that it has an energetic effect on the worlds sea’s, varaiantly pushing and pulling to effect the worlds tidal patterns. The moon may also affect the water and liquid crystalline basis of the human physical suit, and has been shown to have a direct correlation with mood swings etc.

Of course the moon affects us, sometimes in measurable accounts, as can be attributed to the female’s moon cycles and divisory through 13 cycles per year, perfectly reflecting the season as a balanced measure.

On a subtle level the moon is a hugely powerful energetic frequency overseeing much of humanities unconscious nature as well as a prime marker of the world’s planetary changes.

So given that it governs so much, both on subtle and physical levels, it clearly is a major player in the matrix philosophy.

All that we see, understand and feel are aspects of the matrix, this world is fully immersed in the matrix, and it is only human consciousness that has the ability to see beyond the illusory aspects that play out around us. The draconian / reptilians are also a part of the basic matrix programme, the Agent smith of the programme.

I’m looking forward to reading the book, and looking forward to how David portrays this theory in conjunction to what he has written before.

thats what i meant... good post

[gods sun]

next book on david icke!

potatos are devil food they belong to the Z.I.N.A.S.A.S.K.AA. 678 Cult that live on pluto.

[iaintoff]

There's been several threads about this already, and together with a team of advanced 7th level aliens we came up with an answer: read the book before commenting on it's contents.

vintage...

besides the original question is essentially rhetorical and isn't reaslly a question at all. Its really the poster sharing his/her inner concerns about whether he/she is a free thinker or not.
:D

lmao

thanks for sharing those thoughts with us though mate.

[kimball13]

Does anyone find the promotional blurb for davids new book a bit off putting?



Can anyone who is a freethinker really take it seriously?

Whats your thoughts? thanks.



ive been on this forum for about 2 years.
I wrote my story durring great durress.
i have medical records, as well as experience in many things mentioned on this forum and others.

Thing is because of me existing and my story it kinda puts some of what they have printed into the not true and speculative catagorie,,,,,,,,its kinda like the earth is flat thing.

They dont believe what there talking about anymore, its a train they lost control of and are unwilling to help the one that many of these programs were desinged to screw with,,,,,,,ya know a herod thing.
But na never why would a thing that Herod did 2,000 years ago rear its head in this day and age after all look how evolved we are.

This is why they dont attack me noticeably as well as why they dont sluff me off in an open way, because to do either would bring to much attention to little old kimball13 and they have to play it carefull around me.


i dont know but just maybe he neaded a story to keep his stuff going,,,,,or just maybe he's correct,,,,,,after all im thinking of a diffent moon and no not the one you sit on.


its realy a little thing called social influencing, or brainwashing.
SI is far more the tool than the Moon, realy check it out.

EGO, edging God out.


it is a tragic game many have played, many used Icke and others, id hate to think icke was knowingly giving disinfo,,,,,,,but it is hightly possible for somebody to put a trail of bread crumbs leading to a cliff, or a connect the dots with a middle fingure as the picture.





To many times has somebody come along and got me to believe the military was working on it,,,,,,,,,to many times they could not provide papers and such, most have been retired(cutouts),,,,,,,,,,,,heck one even tried saying i singed the paper, well no i did not,,,,,,,,,,,,i was only a boy of 5-6 and after that it was only the CCC(california conservation corps)uhoh that was on a millitary base we recieved our training,,,,,,,,,,but hay ive never been in any kinda position for the goverment to do shittly things to:confused:


i dont know about now but then after i singed they told me that CCC is paramilitary on the books and by law and that we were basically like the millitary and goverment property.


So anyone got a goat to stare at:rolleyes:

[informationx]

vintage...

besides the original question is essentially rhetorical and isn't reaslly a question at all. Its really the poster sharing his/her inner concerns about whether he/she is a free thinker or not.
:D

lmao

thanks for sharing those thoughts with us though mate.

How dare I ask a rhetorical question (which it strictly isn't, as I posted it on a forum expecting replies).

[sub x]

OP asks a very valid question and the religious zealots are on the attack :rolleyes: and most ironic of all is that said zealots claim to be freethinkers while they blindly follow LMFAO :D

[guuna]

next book on david icke!

potatos are devil food they belong to the Z.I.N.A.S.A.S.K.AA. 678 Cult that live on pluto.

how did you come by this information?

be expecting a visit from MI 5 very soon!:p

[flip side]

When a belief structure is broken down from the world around you, it's very easy to buy into a new belief structure whether it true or false. I'm not going to blow it right out of the water until I've read the full theory to this 'moon matrix' but my feeling is this distracts from what the real challenges of our time are. Not some mystical outside manipulating force from the moon but some very real manipulating force on this very planet. It all feels a little subversive to me. We've identified the hidden elite, we know their agenda, there are growing numbers of us...THEN...'guess what guys the manipulation comes from the moon!!!' Not going to say anymore until I read it fully.

[pali_gap]

Interesting theory. Maybe there is no distinction between science and magic? So if Aliens want to control us they have to use science, machines etc

I am more concerned with WHY than HOW. Moon artificial, reptiles it doesnt matter the conspiracy exist and we are controlled. But WHY?

You cant really prove what is moon you cant really prove anything all is interpretation nothing is solid in the Universe as appearance in my understanding. There is energy which manifest itself as this and that.. WHY that is what I like to know. HOW is a distraction a game to amuse ourselves..

[mikey mikey]

No he's written loads of books and is as open to criticism as every other writer.

Yep. Once you have read it.

BTW Texas is a shithole.

[clint web]

I think this is the final nail in the coffin and that's a shame because some of his thoughts on 911 etc are very worthy.

[dreamweaver]

Will there be a Soup Dragon and an Iron Chicken in it? Oh, and I want a Music Tree too.

The Clangers - Music - YouTube

[nicolaj]

When a belief structure is broken down from the world around you, it's very easy to buy into a new belief structure whether it true or false. I'm not going to blow it right out of the water until I've read the full theory to this 'moon matrix' but my feeling is this distracts from what the real challenges of our time are. Not some mystical outside manipulating force from the moon but some very real manipulating force on this very planet. It all feels a little subversive to me. We've identified the hidden elite, we know their agenda, there are growing numbers of us...THEN...'guess what guys the manipulation comes from the moon!!!' Not going to say anymore until I read it fully.

thought provoking

good post

[texdallas]

Yep. Once you have read it.

BTW Texas is a shithole.

I wouldn't know I've never been there.

[iaintoff]

How dare I ask a rhetorical question (which it strictly isn't, as I posted it on a forum expecting replies).

:D good point

[mr stoppitall]

It may sound odd to some of you when I say that I can astrally project when I sleep but its not my job to convince anyone of that, it took me years to realise what it was :D

I can say that during such projections I did visit the moon and found it to be inhabited by some kind of drone worker force who could breathe the vacuum, infact I had a bloody good look around if you know what I mean. Finally I was discovered by some kind of agent there who could do what I do, which meant he could see me too. I was chased away and have never returned since.

Even if the Moon is not a spaceship(which is still plausible) it is in my opinion definately a base of somekind that serves an extra-terrestrial purpose.

Touching on what I saw I can only guess there was some industrial purpose to the workers, they seemed very inate as sentients go. Almost like mindless zombies.

I am gonna regret saying this I know it. For those of you who are thinking wtf?

I saw it in a dream ;)

[dreamweaver]

Pics or it didn't happen. :p

[noobcybot]

Interesting game concept. If I owned a console, I'd probably buy that game. Thanks for sharing. :)

The game mentioned by Turq Fire reminded me of FF8. Lo and behold they are both made by Square.

I reffer to the bit where a 'LUNAR CRY' occours. Basically it made no immediate sense at the time, loads of monsters/demons flying down from the Moon to Earth (a cyclical process which happened every few thousand years if I remember right). FF8 touches on a lot of otherworldly conepts. What say you guys?

[consciousness]

Does anyone find the promotional blurb for davids new book a bit off putting?



Can anyone who is a freethinker really take it seriously?

Whats your thoughts? thanks.

Uhmm no.

If dimensions which are invisible can exist, then this most certainly can.

[mr stoppitall]

Pics or it didn't happen. :p

If only... :D

[noobcybot]

sure,
anytime;)



http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/262/935661_20060920_screen002.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2006/262/935661_20060920_screen002.jpg

Final Fantasy VIII - Disc 3 - Lunar Cry - YouTube

[the apprentice]

David is a very clever person indeed and a life time of doing and saying the same kinds of things day in day out with the odd new idea thrown in from time to time takes real dedication.

His early son of god days gained him the exposure needed to start him on his way, perhaps he is now getting bored and looking for a rebirth, I hope not though and sticks to the original pro life issues that we are all facing today, this is what he does best.

Many newcommers have stolen plenty of Icke ideas and story lines since, but don't have the sheer clout that he had in the early days, however there is one man in the making today a man who is doing Sterling work and being repremanded for it and that's, Brian Gerrish, he is the next big thing for the exposure scene, as far as I know Icke has never been blocked by legislation or injunction like Gerrish, because David is box clever.

Icke is far from finished though and will be backed up in earnest, with a vengance once more of his predictions and observations start truly joining together, if he reads the posts in his name here, he will realise that one doesn't have to re-invent himself with alien or mythicalisms, all he has to do is wait.

I have spoken with many people who still react strangely when you first mention his name, but as time goes on and things come to these more affluent types, they will slowly but surely start to listen, those on the bread line are already within the positions he mentions and not be bothered by that normality but those who are now loosing the greater parts of their freedom through regulation and war on their diminishing pockets, are joining Icke daily.

No he is not loosing the plot, he is simply waiting like an ever patient Mantis.

[edward123]

t

All that we see, understand and feel are aspects of the matrix, this world is fully immersed in the matrix, and it is only human consciousness that has the ability to see beyond the illusory aspects that play out around us. The draconian / reptilians are also a part of the basic matrix programme, the Agent smith of the programme.

I’m looking forward to reading the book, and looking forward to how David portrays this theory in conjunction to what he has written before.

But there is no matrix. The matrix is just a film. The world is not an illusion and you are real, so am i and so is the world we live in. Icke going on about the matrix is just an idea he stole from a film and its totally unprovable so it became a book seller as that idea kinda appeals to people who don't want to be part of this world and fantasize about the world being like it is in the matrix film. The moon being a spaceship is something that you can't prove so again it will be a big selling point for the book. Its about time people started appreciating who they are and be grateful for their lives and the world around them. Icke should stick to facts if he wants to be taken seriously. But i suspect he doesn't as that is another selling point. He should stick to facts.
I think he has done a good job exposing the nwo, although his work is repeating what other researchers have already exposed on the subject, but its good that he tells people. But he is left to do so as his "out there" unprovable theories make it hard for people to believe anything he has to say, which is a shame. He is no threat to the powers that be as long as he devotes sections of his books to fantasy and wacky ideas.

[meksar]

If they say they went to the moon why have they not been back there, NASA also bombed the moon last year. The Moon Landings where said to be filmed by Stanley Kubrick. I think there is definetley something going on the Moon, there is a theory that it is crawling with aliens who visit earth. They have enough occult knowledge to use energy from the moon in their rituals.


NASA Bombs the Moon!

NASA Bombs the Moon! - YouTube

Lunar Impact Mission

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[the apprentice]

Its ok ive found the moon aliens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9MZNEXrElw

:D

Nah these are the real guys from the moon

Clangers : The Intruder - YouTube

:D

[dreamweaver]

I think he has done a good job exposing the nwo, although his work is repeating what other researchers have already exposed on the subject, but its good that he tells people. But he is left to do so as his "out there" unprovable theories make it hard for people to believe anything he has to say, which is a shame. He is no threat to the powers that be as long as he devotes sections of his books to fantasy and wacky ideas.

Agreed. But then again, it's the wacky ideas that make him stand out from the others and this sells his books.

[mr stoppitall]

Anyone who takes the stage and can maintain a presence in such times is questionable indeed. Some of the best salesmen will tell you truths so that you will buy the lie.

[seanx]

Merlincove wrote:

the moon undoubtedly has a physiological and sociological effect on the human system, and indeed the word lunatic has been derived from reactive accounts shown in individuals when the moon is full.

Science tells us that the moon has an effect on the ocean’s tides, and such can be recorded during the moons cycles, that it has an energetic effect on the worlds sea’s, varaiantly pushing and pulling to effect the worlds tidal patterns. The moon may also affect the water and liquid crystalline basis of the human physical suit, and has been shown to have a direct correlation with mood swings etc.

Of course the moon affects us, sometimes in measurable accounts, as can be attributed to the female’s moon cycles and divisory through 13 cycles per year, perfectly reflecting the season as a balanced measure.

On a subtle level the moon is a hugely powerful energetic frequency overseeing much of humanities unconscious nature as well as a prime marker of the world’s planetary changes.

So given that it governs so much, both on subtle and physical levels, it clearly is a major player in the matrix philosophy.

All that we see, understand and feel are aspects of the matrix, this world is fully immersed in the matrix, and it is only human consciousness that has the ability to see beyond the illusory aspects that play out around us. The draconian / reptilians are also a part of the basic matrix programme, the Agent smith of the programme.

I’m looking forward to reading the book, and looking forward to how David portrays this theory in conjunction to what he has written before

Great post with lots of points I never considered before.

[turquoisefire777]

QUOTE=noobcybot;1058715977]Final Fantasy VIII - Disc 3 - Lunar Cry - YouTube[/QUOTE]

yeh, for some years now i've been telling people around me that there is demonic beings being released into/onto the earth. old news for some, but in ffviii we see a good clip of what could be happening.

[seanx]

Edward123 wrote:
But there is no matrix. The matrix is just a film. The world is not an illusion and you are real, so am i and so is the world we live in. Icke going on about the matrix is just an idea he stole from a film and its totally unprovable so it became a book seller as that idea kinda appeals to people who don't want to be part of this world and fantasize about the world being like it is in the matrix film.

Do us all a favour.

Actually READ his book before you write the above BS.

If you bothered to read you'd see he is not talking about the film.

He is only using it as an ANALOGY to explain his concept of the mutli-dimensional universe we live in.

Can you grasp that?



The world is not an illusion and you are real,

Of course the world is an illusion.

Even a child understands that.

Look at anything. It is only temporary. it takes one form -
then another.

A plant will be a plant - then disolve back into the earth and its cells
will reemerge into something completely different.

So in this sense, of course everything is an illusion. it is NOT REAL.

The 'stuff' it is made up of is real in the sense that it is eternal and indestructable
but everything around us, the FORMS are an illsion in the sense that they are
only a temporary manifestation.


and you are real

of course you are real.

Tell me in his books where he says you are not real.

In fact he says we are infinite awareness - infinitely REAL while
all around us is an illusion i.e in the sense of things infinitely
changing into new and different forms,

Do you see mate, if you actually READ his books you wouldn't
have to write such BS.

The moon being a spaceship is something that you can't prove so again it will be a big selling point for the book. Its about time people started appreciating who they are and be grateful for their lives and the world around them. Icke should stick to facts if he wants to be taken seriously. But i suspect he doesn't as that is another selling point. He should stick to facts.

What are FACTS?

Define what is a fact?

Only the things we can percieve with our 5 senses??

is that how you would define a 'fact'?

I think he has done a good job exposing the nwo, although his work is repeating what other researchers have already exposed on the subject, but its good that he tells people. But he is left to do so as his "out there" unprovable theories make it hard for people to believe anything he has to say, which is a shame. He is no threat to the powers that be as long as he devotes sections of his books to fantasy and wacky ideas.

Icke and writers similar to him are probably the only real threat to them
as they are getting closer and closer to the NWO real source of power;
how they manipulate and control us by understanding and distorting the
nature and laws of consciousness.

They don't mind people exposing the Nwo. In fact, they love it.
It portrays them as all powerful .

Its the secret knowledge of how reality is created that they fear
people getting access to and then understanding.

No such danger in your case, though!

[lightgiver]

Does anyone find the promotional blurb for davids new book a bit off putting?



Can anyone who is a freethinker really take it seriously?

Whats your thoughts? thanks.

NO,the people who run the world have lost it.

[joel1212]

We might as well throw the fkn towel in now then, because we can't rise up against the Moon aliens!! :rolleyes:

moon aliens are ether grays or reptilians and grays. same stuff
EDIT: I randomly got the thought one day that icke's found out about the whole planet X and extinction theory with all its facts (that presentation) and the PTPB told him cover anything else but this or we'll do something horrible to your family (some alien shit)

[stargategazer]

I've been a DI fan a long time but things are getting out of hand. I suppose it only his own cred his hurting. I'm sure it'll be a fun read tho

how quickly peops start to dig the knife in

[joel1212]

how quickly peops start to dig the knife in

its a shame

[i_am]

How many more threads do we need on this? Can people please do a search and add to existing threads!

[mrindigo]

How many more threads do we need on this? Can people please do a search and add to existing threads!

MORE, there can never be enough.

*insert evil cackle*

:D

[merlincove]

But there is no matrix. The matrix is just a film. The world is not an illusion and you are real, so am i and so is the world we live in. Icke going on about the matrix is just an idea he stole from a film and its totally unprovable so it became a book seller as that idea kinda appeals to people who don't want to be part of this world and fantasize about the world being like it is in the matrix film. The moon being a spaceship is something that you can't prove so again it will be a big selling point for the book. Its about time people started appreciating who they are and be grateful for their lives and the world around them. Icke should stick to facts if he wants to be taken seriously. But i suspect he doesn't as that is another selling point. He should stick to facts.
I think he has done a good job exposing the nwo, although his work is repeating what other researchers have already exposed on the subject, but its good that he tells people. But he is left to do so as his "out there" unprovable theories make it hard for people to believe anything he has to say, which is a shame. He is no threat to the powers that be as long as he devotes sections of his books to fantasy and wacky ideas.

:D

it is a matter of awareness. Of course we are real, the world around us is real, when viewed from the bio suit. when viewed from Spirit / Soul perspective the world is an illusion, a stage: a 3d thought form to play out the divine plan.

It is the stage that is the matrix, and the film was bang on the money, it's a pity pts 2 and 3 sold the whole ethos out.

If there is no matrix, and the world we see around us is all there is, if our consciousness dies with our last breath and there is nothing beyond the bio suit, if we are just advanced mammals, mistaken in our assumption of consciousness, then explain to me where all the psychic instances that many people speak of fit into that reality, explain to me how a complete stranger can tell me (or anyone) something about the past that no one could ever know, explain to me how mediums work (not the two a penny charlatans, but the real ones), and howe shamen work, why the Native american people can read from a tablet written thousands of years ago that has prophesised much of what has come to pass in the 20thC, explain how we can astral travel and communicate with people telepathically, explain ufo's, the teather incident, explain to me how the masters who work beyond the matrix, Jesus, buddha, Babaji etc can alter reality around them to such a degree that it would seem miraculous, how the Egyptians (1st dynasty, 8000 - 10000 years ago) built the pyramids.

No one can prove the matrix exists, just as no one can prove that it doesn't :D

But there are a lot of unanswerable questions on both sides of the arguement.

:D

[dedicate]

As long as David maintains his stance on religion,, these cockamamy ideas are going to continue to fly/ Why reinvent the wheel?

IE.. Religion has known about these "Reptilians" for 1000's of years.. They are called "The Fallen Ones" .. Nephalim.. Demons.. and what he has found as reptile phenomena is mearly a facet of this.

[dreamweaver]

How many more threads do we need on this? Can people please do a search and add to existing threads!

Merge, merge, merge! :D

[noobcybot]

But there is no matrix. The matrix is just a film. The world is not an illusion and you are real, so am i and so is the world we live in. Icke going on about the matrix is just an idea he stole from a film


Wrong all over dude. Where do you think the makers of The Matrix got their ideas.........................its thousands of years old this theory. If its true it has never not been in the minds of those manifested in it.

[goanna]

has david lost it?

yes. it bizarre!!!

his early work was excellent. this latest shit is....well, shit!!

he knows its shit. id say theres a reason he printed shit knowingly...i dont htink we are expected to believe it..



.

[goanna]

has david been made to discredit himself? is this book a psyop to destroy the reptile theory?

the moon theory is so out of whack, that it calls into question ickies credibility.......to even us that tolerate his ideas. my question is; why would he do that?

its not to sell books......its too outlandish to contemplate buying.

my suspicion is that he's been 'got at'. he is being MADE to discredit himself to even his loyal followers.

.

[sindakit]

Rubbish. Do you think he has been doing this for years and now he decides to cave in when the following is getting so much larger!?

Plus the hollow theory of the moon earth and other planets has just as much evidence as that of the solid one. Check the theories for yourself, Check the theories for yourself, Check the theories for yourself --- this is the point stressed by everyone on here all the time.
There are a few threads on the hollow theory, good stuff :D

[nirvana]

Does anyone find the promotional blurb for davids new book a bit off putting?



Can anyone who is a freethinker really take it seriously?

Whats your thoughts? thanks.


No cant take it serious :confused: What we must ask ourselves is it possible david is under some kind of mind control?

As free thinkers this is a very important question to ask.

What would happen if david was taken over by mind control and programmed to lead people to create there own mind prisons .

[infinategood]

how quickly peops start to dig the knife in

If my memory serves me correctly in one video he (DI) said something to the effect that a little fiction must be sprinkled into his speeches to keep people off his trail- anyone else remember that?

[nirvana]

I thinks its more a case of he has run out of ideas. Remember this is his career and how he earns a living. Claiming the moon is a spaceship is a clever tactic to increase sales. Most of the people who will buy it are just looking for something to blame for what is going on in the world. Now its apparently the moons fault.

This could well just be a distraction used by the elite. David could very easily of been put under some kind of mind control etc.

Could the plan be for david {under mind control} to lead people to manifest into reality a moon matrix. It may not exist yet untill people start to believe in it.

What world do you want to manifest:eek:

[beldazar]

Nope. I think he is on the right track. The one thing we need to do is to remember how we percieve our reality. Everything we see is inside our head. The sun and the moon are inside our heads. I think these are the pineal and the pituitary glands
The sun is the poineal, the moon the pituitary. These work in conjunction with each other, creating our reality.
The pituitary is sometimes known as the master gland and the moon god is Allah.
One particular site lead me to the conclusion that Allah is the god of the freemasons. allah is the moon god. The crest of the moon on the flag.

[nirvana]

When a belief structure is broken down from the world around you, it's very easy to buy into a new belief structure whether it true or false. I'm not going to blow it right out of the water until I've read the full theory to this 'moon matrix' but my feeling is this distracts from what the real challenges of our time are. Not some mystical outside manipulating force from the moon but some very real manipulating force on this very planet. It all feels a little subversive to me. We've identified the hidden elite, we know their agenda, there are growing numbers of us...THEN...'guess what guys the manipulation comes from the moon!!!' Not going to say anymore until I read it fully.


Totally agree this could be a total distraction from the real issues. Keep the truth seekers going round and round in circles .

The moon matrix is just a smoke screen from the real issues.

Sorry but this theory is going to be used to turn people away from the truth movement.

I respect david icke and think he has been manipulated by tptb.

TPTB know some people will just blindly believe anything david threws on to their table.

[beldazar]

I have just thought. Is this how we end it. Get rid of the aliens living inside out pituitary glands? What is within is without?

I wonder if opening up the chakra's blasts them out? The opening of the sun/pineal gland letting in energy. the same as solar flares coming from the sun. We are creating it through knowledge and I believe enlightenment comes from knowledge not sitting meditating all day.
I have heard a few people say that's how will we overcome what's being done if the ones doing it are on the moon?
What if it's a bit more closer to home......

[geewhizz]

Does anyone find the promotional blurb for davids new book a bit off putting?



Can anyone who is a freethinker really take it seriously?

Whats your thoughts? thanks.

Well untill we read the book we can only speculate but this could make or break Icke.

Every book has a different topic i.e, reptiles,infinate love,illusions on ayahusaca etc etc but this 'Moon Matrix' baby has some serious explaining!

It sounds VERY Stewart Swerdlow to me and he is a damaged and paranoid delusional, but not of his own doing (I feel for the guy). Icke could be under psychic manipulation of some sort??

On the other hand, Icke may come out smelling of roses, only time will tell.

[rakkoo]

if the moon is a hollow object then why doesnt it fly away from the earth and other planets. as gravity wouldnt be able to keep it in its right place. it as to be a solid object so its weight and ratio to earth keeps it in its proper place next to earth. its effects on earth on tidal waves ebb and flow ect. make it a solid object because it would be to light to have any effect on earth.

I like David Icke very much i think he has contributed to wakening people up to a very large extent, he works so very hard to imform us and keep us in touch with the lies the powers and goverments tell us.

he has very good insight and a great talent for reconising injustice and the scum who who are in authority. i make allowences for davids other interests in reptiles and his other theorys. sometimes circumstances alter cases and in Davids case he works excepianly hard to give us this imformation, we all get our wires crossed sometimes, and maybe David might change his mind over matters that might not seem quite right sometimes. but above all else i very much respect the man and his work.

[nirvana]

has david been made to discredit himself? is this book a psyop to destroy the reptile theory?

the moon theory is so out of whack, that it calls into question ickies credibility.......to even us that tolerate his ideas. my question is; why would he do that?

its not to sell books......its too outlandish to contemplate buying.

my suspicion is that he's been 'got at'. he is being MADE to discredit himself to even his loyal followers.

.

There could be a number of reasons.

1, He could be to near the truth that he has to back off as not to put himself in danger.

2, he could be suffering some kind of mental illness.

3, He could of been mind controlled to break up the trith movement and to discredit it.

4, he could be right .

5, He could be part of the illuminate a wolf in sheeps clothes.

As truth seekers we need to question everything just like david icke does.:)

[king triad]

:D

it is a matter of awareness. Of course we are real, the world around us is real, when viewed from the bio suit. when viewed from Spirit / Soul perspective the world is an illusion, a stage: a 3d thought form to play out the divine plan.

It is the stage that is the matrix, and the film was bang on the money, it's a pity pts 2 and 3 sold the whole ethos out.

If there is no matrix, and the world we see around us is all there is, if our consciousness dies with our last breath and there is nothing beyond the bio suit, if we are just advanced mammals, mistaken in our assumption of consciousness, then explain to me where all the psychic instances that many people speak of fit into that reality, explain to me how a complete stranger can tell me (or anyone) something about the past that no one could ever know, explain to me how mediums work (not the two a penny charlatans, but the real ones), and howe shamen work, why the Native american people can read from a tablet written thousands of years ago that has prophesised much of what has come to pass in the 20thC, explain how we can astral travel and communicate with people telepathically, explain ufo's, the teather incident, explain to me how the masters who work beyond the matrix, Jesus, buddha, Babaji etc can alter reality around them to such a degree that it would seem miraculous, how the Egyptians (1st dynasty, 8000 - 10000 years ago) built the pyramids.

No one can prove the matrix exists, just as no one can prove that it doesn't :D

But there are a lot of unanswerable questions on both sides of the arguement.

:D

Good post Icke is couragous exposing the moon secrets..yes my friends the moon is an advanced space ship ..just live with it!!

[hadabusa]

Yep. Once you have read it.

BTW Texas is a shithole.

nah,its quite nice, been to houston once.


the land is fine.lol.


as4op, well,itsa pr stunt.

i wont even start debatting how fail this theory is.

[geewhizz]

Good post Icke is couragous exposing the moon secrets..yes my friends the moon is an advanced space ship ..just live with it!!

It doesnt have to be an advanced spaceship!

It could have technology on the darkside of the moon or beamed from other bases??

[sub x]

Good post Icke is couragous exposing the moon secrets..yes my friends the moon is an advanced space ship ..just live with it!!

"Just live with it" as in follow blindly ?

[red_ram]

He's not the first to suggest that the Moon is an artificial construct.

I haven't been able to find any details about the new book, but I'm already interested, for sure. I take it there will be plenty of references.

[the apprentice]

if the moon is a hollow object then why doesnt it fly away from the earth and other planets. as gravity wouldnt be able to keep it in its right place. it as to be a solid object so its weight and ratio to earth keeps it in its proper place next to earth. its effects on earth on tidal waves ebb and flow ect. make it a solid object because it would be to light to have any effect on earth.

I like David Icke very much i think he has contributed to wakening people up to a very large extent, he works so very hard to imform us and keep us in touch with the lies the powers and goverments tell us.

he has very good insight and a great talent for reconising injustice and the scum who who are in authority. i make allowences for davids other interests in reptiles and his other theorys. sometimes circumstances alter cases and in Davids case he works excepianly hard to give us this imformation, we all get our wires crossed sometimes, and maybe David might change his mind over matters that might not seem quite right sometimes. but above all else i very much respect the man and his work.

The moon is actually still moving away from earth since the universe is still expanding, confirmed by Geryl many years ago according to his C P interview maybe this is what is effecting the weather and the magnetics to a certain degree today.

[mrindigo]

Good post Icke is couragous exposing the moon secrets..yes my friends the moon is an advanced space ship ..just live with it!!

You seem so sure of this. How can you be? There is a lot of disinfo out there, are you sure this isn't just another chapter added to that book?

[spock]

wasn't the Truman show run by a dude in the moon?

[ufochick]

Does anyone find the promotional blurb for davids new book a bit off putting?



Can anyone who is a freethinker really take it seriously?

Whats your thoughts? thanks.

He is right, (on the basic theory I haven't gotten the book yet).. I "asked".... nuff said...

[mrindigo]

has david been made to discredit himself? is this book a psyop to destroy the reptile theory?

the moon theory is so out of whack, that it calls into question ickies credibility.......to even us that tolerate his ideas. my question is; why would he do that?

its not to sell books......its too outlandish to contemplate buying.

my suspicion is that he's been 'got at'. he is being MADE to discredit himself to even his loyal followers.

.

The hollow theory is indeed quite outlandish. As another forum member has pointed out, the loss of mass from the moon wouldn't have much of a gravitational pull on the oceans. Without that gravitational pull, the tides would be almost nonexistent.

Either he's running out of material to publish, he's lost it, or there's more going on than most of us know.

I did find the lunar bombing by NASA to be very strange. Why bomb the surface to look for ice crystals? Wouldn't the initial blast melt the ice, turning the water to vapor, mixing that into the lunar dust? It seems to me that a more practical approach could have been taken. A lunar rover, similar to what was sent to mars, would have been a better choice. Or better yet, why not send astronauts there to manually take the samples themselves? The whole thing didn't make any sense.

Sometimes there are ideas which are so radical, that even the most intelligent and open-minded can't accept them. This has happened through out history, and in some cases the radical ideas later become accepted knowledge.

There are some inconsistencies to the theory. It may just be that it's been kept under wraps for so long, that there hasn't really been enough research into it to help the theory shape and evolve. Then again, it could be utterly ridiculous and designed to keep minds busy. There seems to be a great deal of that in alternative info/'the truth movement'. I suppose all we can really do is research it, connect the dots, and decipher the outcome.

[mrindigo]

wasn't the Truman show run by a dude in the moon?

Actually it was! The heads of the production were situated there, and issued the commands from it. Trueman's life was a shame, and he lived with the knowledge of it for most of his life. The movie was very inspiring.

Your question has me thinking a little differently about that movie now. :)

[erthiz]

"Has Icke lost it?"

Havent people been asking this for 20 years?

Everyones having a dig at him over this moon thing but no-ones read the book yet, so no-one really knows what his views are, do they?

BTW, he isnt the first to say the moon is a craft, Alex Collier and others have been saying it for years.

[iaintoff]

has david been made to discredit himself? is this book a psyop to destroy the reptile theory?

the moon theory is so out of whack, that it calls into question ickies credibility.......to even us that tolerate his ideas. my question is; why would he do that?

its not to sell books......its too outlandish to contemplate buying.

my suspicion is that he's been 'got at'. he is being MADE to discredit himself to even his loyal followers.

.

Wouldn't be bothering with the book then would he. I'm sure that the profits for being "got at" would be alot more lucrative than royalties from a book. I also think that he would be more valuable to the elite if he kept "credibility" as you put it because then he could lead us all down a merry dance that could be controlled.

I don't think the supposed "moon matrix" thoery is too far fetched, what more far fetched than us all living in a holagram, with reptilian masters:confused:

[vril]

has david been made to discredit himself? is this book a psyop to destroy the reptile theory?

the moon theory is so out of whack, that it calls into question ickies credibility.......to even us that tolerate his ideas. my question is; why would he do that?

its not to sell books......its too outlandish to contemplate buying.

my suspicion is that he's been 'got at'. he is being MADE to discredit himself to even his loyal followers.

.

You could be on to something, and I admit I thought the same thing, but I'm going to wait until the book is out so I can read his information and evidence before considering the worst - which would be that he has in fact been "bought and sold".

At the same time, many, if not all, of his ideas I felt were ridiculous at one point in time. But as the years went by and I researched more, and began to see the world a different way, the more logical and truthful these ideas appeared to me. It could be that five years from now we realize he was right all along. Or, it could be that we realize he's just bat-shit insane. :D

We'll have to wait and see I suppose. I am more excited for this book than I was for his last.

[noobcybot]

When we accept that the Sun and Moon are in an absurdly perfect balance and have been Worshipped by most cultures in one way or another (covertly and overtly).
When we accept that ancient societies and religions tell tales of conscious planets who lord it over us.
When we accept there is some degree of controversy regarding our modern day missions to the moon.
When we accept that the story of Atlantis might be allegorical for a mass migration of a species from Mars (including the strange existence of certain pyramids).
When we accept a link between esoteric powers and the moon exists (werewolves, vampires, shapeshifters?).
This idea might not seem so crazy on the scale of things. If there is one thing we are meant to learn its that we know nothing, right?

[lordzoma]

The answer raised by the OP is no.

People need to WAKE UP.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107885

[love life]

In reply to the original question: Has David Lost The Plot?

No, he follows his own plot, and how relevant this should be to anyone elses views and opinions of - in this case - the moon, is obviously a question for them, and them alone.

My opinion? He's all about the controversy and selling his book. There's nothing more to see here, that's why I moved along years ago. Icke's a career conspiracist, and here's yet more outlandish nonsense from him to keep him in crisps for the next few years.

Buy into this if you will, but if you do, pray tell how is that going to help you and yours? It's yet more distraction for you and Icke gets his rent paid.

Yawn.

[pound]

Does anyone find the promotional blurb for davids new book a bit off putting?



Can anyone who is a freethinker really take it seriously?

Whats your thoughts? thanks.

Not another one of these threads.


Wait until the book drops before making any conclusive opinions.

[spock]

Actually it was! The heads of the production were situated there, and issued the commands from it. Trueman's life was a shame, and he lived with the knowledge of it for most of his life. The movie was very inspiring.

Your question has me thinking a little differently about that movie now. :)

there was somthing about it.
controlled media. totalitarian control of the population.
plus everything he knows is a lie
like 1984....only nicer. worth a watch again now your awake.

and the dude who ran the show............. lived in the moon. :eek:

[truth finder]

Does anyone find the promotional blurb for davids new book a bit off putting?



Can anyone who is a freethinker really take it seriously?

Whats your thoughts? thanks.



I to find it far fetched, and am staring to think david would of become a great sci fi writter, but then again who am i to tell him his lying? every one has a right to believe in what ever they believe in, u don't have to like it..

[lordzoma]

The only thing far-fetched is people's inability to question the information themselves, rather than make assumptions based on what they have been lead to believe. ANYONE who does any amount of serious research into the moon should come to the conclusion that a hollow moon is not just likely, but the only plausible explanation of the evidence gathered.

I find it somewhat disconcerting that the majority of people on this forum are quicker to defend their paradigm of belief rather than question the material at hand.

If you find yourself being the unquestioning skeptic, try perusing some of the questions raised on this thread http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107885 and see if you are still so quick to defend a previously constructed belief.

[danster82]

The only thing far-fetched is people's inability to question the information themselves, rather than make assumptions based on what they have been lead to believe. ANYONE who does any amount of serious research into the moon should come to the conclusion that a hollow moon is not just likely, but the only plausible explanation of the evidence gathered.

I find it somewhat disconcerting that the majority of people on this forum are quicker to defend their paradigm of belief rather than question the material at hand.

If you find yourself being the unquestioning skeptic, try perusing some of the questions raised on this thread http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107885 and see if you are still so quick to defend a previously constructed belief.

Alright then well lets see this evidence it will have to be some pretty dame compelling evidence.

[merlincove]

I find it somewhat disconcerting that the majority of people on this forum are quicker to defend their paradigm of belief rather than question the material at hand.

.

it is surprising how much the programme has instilled itself into everyones consciousness.

TPTB tell us the moon is an orbiting body / a natural satelite and they would never lie to us would they?

let us all point fingers and create a mad man - that way our reality is safe. LoL

David has always said, Question Everything - and yet few people can question their own programing.

[merlincove]

Alright then well lets see this evidence it will have to be some pretty dame compelling evidence.

lets see the evidence that the moon is a natural satelite then, that it isn't hollow.

Who's word do we take that the moon is actually what most people believe it to be?

And lets take it a step futher eh, ghow can anyone prove that the univers we see, the stars in the sky and the moon are not just holographic projections?

C'mon, ultimately what can be proven?

[trev1]

Claiming the moon is a spaceship is a clever tactic to increase sales.

If I thought that was true for one minute i'd dump his one book I have of
him in the bin and sincerely apologise to all the people who tried to tell me
Icke is a nutbag during the last year. You cannot come out with broad statements like this without any evidence. For all the Alex Jones haters
on here at least he provides 100% more evidence of what he says than Icke does. I mean just all the time coming out with things that ARE NOT PROVABLE is not helping the truth movement !

I mean come on saying the Moon is an alien spacecraft theory is just a joke.
And the average Joe Public is going to think Icke is even more of a nut
case than they already do. sorry thats the truth

as for awakening. i bet my life sayings with anyone that there wont be one
before 2016 or 2018 or even 2099 ! I mean it ...any takers? ...hhmmm
tought so

Je get a bit of sense most people are just too stupid and programmed from
childhood by their tv !

Maybe David is just trying to make money out of this and is just talking
crap all ofthe time. Before you dismiss me please think of the 'have an open
mind' vibe of this site. :rolleyes:

Ive been totally into Davids talks and stuff for about 1 year but now you
know what im very close to throwing it all in the bin

[decode reality]

Well I'm going responding to this with my truth and my disclaimer is 'don't get mad with me for merely thinking'.

IS IT A FORM OF SCAREMONGERING?

On first reading, it reminds me of the religious people who always go on about the devil outside of us.

The emphasis on another book that focuses on 'what's controlling us' raises a few alarm bells for me. And especially if the 'controller' is out of your immediate control! There's not a great deal you can do if some formidable thing outside of your being is apparently controlling events on the earth. Well, to re-phrase that, there's not much you can do if that becomes your object of focus.

'The moon made me do it'?

I'm sorry but I'm a tad skeptical.

[winegums]

And lets take it a sterop futher eh, ghow can anyone prove that the univers we see, the stars in the sky and the moon are not just holographic projections?

If you go down the route that we all exist in group psychosis then we accomplish nothing. The very basis for all understanding of the universe is gone, and we know nothing. However, that also means everything David says is equally unprovable. Philosophers have talked about this sort of stuff before, but ultimately it goes nowhere.

[cosmo1]

Can't understand what all the fuss is about m'self; he writes his books and you either buy em or don't; believe em or don't.

He's stated many times that you can make up your own minds.
Can't see the point in accusing him of this that or the other.

[raven_patronus]

Does anyone find the promotional blurb for davids new book a bit off putting?



Can anyone who is a freethinker really take it seriously?

Whats your thoughts? thanks.

Not at all. David is talking sense, but probably even he doesn't understand it!

I am astounded cause I just read something similar. Barbara Marciniak's book Earth. She is a channeler of the Pleidians and claims these et's talk to her mind/spirit.

The book mentioned the influence of the moon and that astrology is really an influence. Planets do influence our minds. The moon is closest to us, is meant to be a satellite for many different alien life-forms (according to Marciniak's book)

David confirms that for me with publishing something similar. I think he and Marciniak (through the Pleidians) are onto something

[lotusdnb]

the day he starts forcing his opinions like 'your ignorant cos you dnt belive this lala' which he never will, is when he becomes mad. until then you cant connect it with him tryin to disinform us imo

[subl1minal]

the day he starts forcing his opinions like 'your ignorant cos you dnt belive this lala' which he never will, is when he becomes mad. until then you cant connect it with him tryin to disinform us imo

Exactly, totally agree. I watched a 7 hour presentation of his and all he did was present it as to what HE'S found and that you can check this out for yourself. You can leave the place and laugh your face off, either way, he's going to continue his work and you can love it or leave it.

The day Icke has lost it, will be the day he's back presenting the Sports News! ;)

[subl1minal]

Nope. I think he is on the right track. The one thing we need to do is to remember how we percieve our reality. Everything we see is inside our head. The sun and the moon are inside our heads. I think these are the pineal and the pituitary glands
The sun is the poineal, the moon the pituitary. These work in conjunction with each other, creating our reality.
The pituitary is sometimes known as the master gland and the moon god is Allah.
One particular site lead me to the conclusion that Allah is the god of the freemasons. allah is the moon god. The crest of the moon on the flag.

1+

[merlincove]

has david been made to discredit himself? is this book a psyop to destroy the reptile theory?

the moon theory is so out of whack, that it calls into question ickies credibility.......to even us that tolerate his ideas. my question is; why would he do that?

its not to sell books......its too outlandish to contemplate buying.

my suspicion is that he's been 'got at'. he is being MADE to discredit himself to even his loyal followers.

.

Have just merged threads, it would be nice if the search function was utilised :D

[dreamweaver]

Have just merged threads, it would be nice if the search function was utilised :D

Thanks merlincove. :cool:

[pound]

I mean come on saying the Moon is an alien spacecraft theory is just a joke.
And the average Joe Public is going to think Icke is even more of a nut
case than they already do. sorry thats the truth



Your average Joe Public is a blubbering idiot. I wouldnt put much credence in what they say and think.

[sindakit]

if the moon is a hollow object then why doesnt it fly away from the earth and other planets. as gravity wouldnt be able to keep it in its right place. it as to be a solid object so its weight and ratio to earth keeps it in its proper place next to earth. its effects on earth on tidal waves ebb and flow ect. make it a solid object because it would be to light to have any effect on earth.

Not quite, gravity isn't caused by the weigth of an object. As we believe currently, its caused by mass but this is only because it's a logical fit with the math, we're not entirely sure how it works tho. Einstein theorised denser objects have a more profound warping of the space-time fabric but its still just a theory.
Hollow models claim to have a suspended carbon sun in the centre, thus we get the denseness required to fit with the logic of einstein.

[quetzalcoatl]

it is surprising how much the programme has instilled itself into everyones consciousness.

TPTB tell us the moon is an orbiting body / a natural satelite and they would never lie to us would they?

let us all point fingers and create a mad man - that way our reality is safe. LoL

David has always said, Question Everything - and yet few people can question their own programing.

Sure. Questioning, hypothesizing / speculating is all well in fine, yet jumping to 'far out' / 'erroneous' judgments / conclusions don't do anyone any good...

Does anyone find the promotional blurb for davids new book a bit off putting?

His most staggering revelation is that the Earth and the collective human mind is manipulated from the Moon, which, he says, is not a ‘heavenly body’, but an artificial construct – a gigantic ‘spacecraft’ (probably a hollowed-out 'planetoid') – which is home to the extraterrestrial group that has been manipulating humanity for aeons.

He describes what he calls the ‘Moon Matrix’, a fake reality broadcast from the Moon which is decoded by the human body/mind in much the same way as portrayed in the Matrix movie trilogy. The Moon Matrix has ‘hacked’ into the human ‘body-computer’ system, he says, and it is feeding us a manipulated sense of self and the world 24/7

This is the pattern I've observed with many 'fear-mongering doom-merchants' / negatively orientated concluder's (& I wont get into the main reason they do it) they inflate things way out of proportion, yet always (usually) give ya some sort of 'way out' or remedy that often seems just out of reach or barely obtainable... - ya better recognize! :p

Unfortunately, 'Moon Matrix' (or the moon being a grand-conspiracy & a negative influence on man-kind) is more of the same... & reminiscent of backing-up of 'satanic blood-drinking / human sacrificing Reptilians' with the science of having a "R-Complex"... - which you wouldn't survive without... - to name one of many examples...

& yeah... sure its all really bad out there... there are liars, manipulators & down-right charlatans / 'demons'... yet blame it all on something beyond our control & something that - @ least in a global sense - is a positive influence, I just wont have...

the moon undoubtedly has a physiological and sociological effect on the human system, and indeed the word lunatic has been derived from reactive accounts shown in individuals when the moon is full.

Science tells us that the moon has an effect on the ocean’s tides, and such can be recorded during the moons cycles, that it has an energetic effect on the worlds sea’s, varaiantly pushing and pulling to effect the worlds tidal patterns. The moon may also affect the water and liquid crystalline basis of the human physical suit, and has been shown to have a direct correlation with mood swings etc.

Of course the moon affects us, sometimes in measurable accounts, as can be attributed to the female’s moon cycles and divisory through 13 cycles per year, perfectly reflecting the season as a balanced measure.

On a subtle level the moon is a hugely powerful energetic frequency overseeing much of humanities unconscious nature as well as a prime marker of the world’s planetary changes.

So given that it governs so much, both on subtle and physical levels, it clearly is a major player in the matrix philosophy.

All that we see, understand and feel are aspects of the matrix, this world is fully immersed in the matrix, and it is only human consciousness that has the ability to see beyond the illusory aspects that play out around us. The draconian / reptilians are also a part of the basic matrix programme, the Agent smith of the programme.

I’m looking forward to reading the book, and looking forward to how David portrays this theory in conjunction to what he has written before.

Basically with-out the Moon, you wouldn't be here, no life would be here... - it is a stabilizer of Earths climate & without it Earth would be a hostile, unlivable enviroment...

Also, if the Moon were to change its orbit (not even by much) it would cause drastic climate changes which could potentially, eventually lead to the complete destruction of all life...

As for things like lunacy or insomnia & the moons so-called positive ion effect & other such affects there hasn't been any "strong scientific evidence" to suggest a full-moon (maximum reflection from the sun) has an increased affect on human psychology or physiology - it's still just an increase in positive ions, which believe it or not can also have a positive affect on some people, yet it is still scientifically such an minute affect, it's doesn't warrant attributing, or like-wise, on the other hand lumping the blame on the moon...

I think alot of it is possible down to some sort of hereditary deep-subconscious or even perhaps DNA memory, some still maintained by certain folk-lore, others drifted into obscurity, yet some themes still seem to hold-firm & there-fore the power of manifestation we still create such scenarios; like say the idea of ware-wolfs or 'lycanthropy' (possible partly considered the fact we are carbon based life-forms; consisting of 80% water & full-moon having a slight increase in magnetic affect on water, has the potential to increase hair growth rate, by pulling on a persons water... - which would be, if accurate, be a minuscule increase & barely measurable & is still in the realms of 'old-wives tales' & folk-lore, however it is potentially sound-ish, in theory) Also; much of it stems from our ancestors & the hunter gatherer epoch, when we would hunt @ night by the light of a full-moon, practical common practice & so would the pack wolves, they would howl & rally up for a full-moon hunt...

So in conclusion; I think the full-moons constant positive ion effect is absolutely real, it just doesn't vary or have such an increased affect to the extent it would be feasible or responsible to call it a 'Moon Matrix' of control & manipulation (with obvious negative association / implication)... Also, it is quite obvious the moon does have a magnetic effect on all H2o on earth including the water in our bodies - I just don't think it's all so black & white - considering millions of people @ any given time on a full-moon, seem to get by just fine, I reckon although it probably does contribute to "lunacy", it is most likely only one of many factors, & not the governing element... - I'd even go as far to say that some people may go lunatic on a full moon, yet they were probably rather crazy to begin with & probably predisposed to anger anyway... it not just all the moon, is what I'm trying to say, it probably even ties back in-to some sort of sub-conscious, collective (DNA) memory, where the full-moon was once a time of hunting / blood-spilling etc...

Again, basically the positive ion effect & magnetic affect are true & sound, yet all-in-all they are only 'minor' (in the grand-scheme of things / big picture) & just one of many effects... - whats next?? we're gonna 'rebel' / attack gravity & the massive force in-which it exerts on us??? - especially with the positive ions, which are potentially everywhere, just as negative ions are, it's not all one way affects either, although there is an abundant amount of support for the positive effects of negative ions, although there are circumstances where positive ions can be beneficial also... One IE would be; "Orgone", a component of which is the mineral copper, which is naturally missing a few electrons, thus giving it a positive charge & becoming a good conductor of negative ions (the widely acclaimed, "good ones" - & as a side note, I used to live two doors up from a beach & can attest to an enviroment with lots of negative ions being somewhat of a positive influence). Bit like the theory of the Royalty having a far greater concentration of copper in their blood (hence the term "blue bloods", for when copper oxidizes, it turns blue-ish)... - so theoretically, copper being naturally positively charged (in search of electrons / ions) it's quite possible "blue-bloods" would attract negative ions into themselves??

[Mo0n5tar]

All Icke's instructions are merely a finger pointing at the moon...

[noobcybot]

All Icke's instructions are merely a finger pointing at the moon...


Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory?

[lordzoma]

"basically with-out the Moon, you wouldn't be here, no life would be here... - it is a stabilizer of Earths climate & without it Earth would be a hostile, unlivable enviroment... "

This is pure speculation. If the moon left our orbit it at its present speed it would have no direct effects on the planet other than an extended tide period. According to many sources such as Credo Mutwa, the ancient planet was perpetually in a shrouded mist with perpetual drizzle and no deserts existed on the planet during those time periods. There is no evidence present to show that the moon was or was not present in our solar system during these times, so it is equally likely that there was no moon during the most pristine and balanced environments this planet has seen.

Keep in mind that most present geological models and super computers are unable to accurately forecast the weather, and I postulate that the reason for this is that the earth is hollow, like other planetary bodies, and the atmosphere extends into the planets interior, through which the planet essentially breathes.

[quetzalcoatl]

This is pure speculation. If the moon left our orbit it at its present speed it would have no direct effects on the planet other than an extended tide period. According to many sources such as Credo Mutwa, the ancient planet was perpetually in a shrouded mist with perpetual drizzle and no deserts existed on the planet during those time periods.

Oh great! celestial mechanics according to mutwa... - excuse me if that doesn't instantly spell "case-closed"...

It would have more of a dramatic effect than you make out... - it would probably increase the Earths rotation speed, as-well as greatly increasing its axial wobble, which would make for a very unstable / hostile climate...

The Moon has been a stabilizing factor for the axis of rotation of the Earth. If you look at Mars, for instance, that planet has wobbled quite dramatically on its axis over time due to the gravitational influence of all the other planets in the solar system. Because of this obliquity change, the ice that is now at the poles on Mars would sometimes drift to the equator. But the Earth’s moon has helped stabilize our planet so that its axis of rotation stays in the same direction. For this reason, we had much less climatic change than if the Earth had been alone. And this has changed the way life evolved on Earth, allowing for the emergence of more complex multi-cellular organisms compared to a planet where drastic climatic change would allow only small, robust organisms to survive.

http://www.astrobio.net/index.php?option=com_retrospection&task=detail&id=2507

There is no evidence present to show that the moon was or was not present in our solar system during these times, so it is equally likely that there was no moon during the most pristine and balanced environments this planet has seen.

My God... - its fun to just make it up eh!?! :D

Keep in mind that most present geological models and super computers are unable to accurately forecast the weather, and I postulate that the reason for this is that the earth is hollow, like other planetary bodies, and the atmosphere extends into the planets interior, through which the planet essentially breathes.

This doesn't quite make sense to me... however, regarding the forecast of weather; they can fairly accurately predict the weather, utilizing various methods, just as they can predict the affects of having no moon would cause... - it's no accident or co-incidence life prevailed here & we have a giant moon, compared to say, Mars...

[quetzalcoatl]

All Icke's instructions are merely a finger pointing at the moon...

Icke's Instructions, is it..?? :D - & it ain't "merely" anything... it's an accusatory finger point, if anything... ;)

[phemohilia]

Yep. Once you have read it.

BTW Texas is a shithole.



You MUST be from the UK.... :rolleyes:

[phemohilia]

wasn't the Truman show run by a dude in the moon?



Took the post right out of my mouth.... or fingers, hahaha.... :D

[lordzoma]

Your posts are all speculation and radically ignore entire fields of research.

There is no evidence to show that the moon was created alongside the earth. There is, however, evidence to show the contrary. It is far more likely that the moon is a foreign body that was captured by our planets gravitational field. There is no evidence to show when this event might have taken place. Speculating on the effects on the planet should the moon leave our orbit is based on the presumption that the moon has always been present in our orbit, and takes many leaps in judgement. I would challenge anyone to provide their notes on how they calculate a lack of the moon would radically alter the axial wobble of our planet, and I could provide numerous sources that would say the contrary.

The only directly observable effect the lack of a moon would cause is an extended tide. Any effect or non-effect on the earth's weather makes presumptions about the nature of our planets weather model. I referenced Credo Mutwa to provide insight into the genuinely accepted pre-civilization archetypal memory of the earth being in a state of constant drizzle. This is naturally supported by the current culture's portrayal of jurassic (as an example) era life on this planet. Wet. Large plants. It is in far more recent history where civilization tells of a great-flood that altered the amount of water on this planet. If you were one to believe strongly in organized religion, these stories would be second nature to you and part of your belief system. I choose to recognize the historical truths prevalent in mythological and religious histories. And furthermore I ascribe to the notion that it was in the midst of a great upheaval in our system that the planet between mars and jupiter was destroyed resulting in the asteroid belt, and that venus used to be present in an orbit further out than our own and in its passing introduced the earth to additional waters. I also ascribe to the notion that our planet is growing (if you believe in gravity, and I suspect you do, you must recognize the amount of new material added to the planet on a daily basis, which has always existed in our past if not been more prevalent because of the inevitability of increasing amounts of dust particles the further back in time you travel) and I also ascribe to the notion that our planet is hollow like other planetary bodies. Given the assumption that the planet is hollow, it would mean that the axial mechanics previously believed to be the case may be radically different, as well as the existence of a secondary atmosphere within the planet that may be the primary source of moderating the weather on the exterior of the planet.

In order to fully defend ones position that the moon leaving our orbit would wreak havoc on the planet, one must also take into account that the belief system upon which one position is based ignores a massive amount of evidence that provides for the opposite position. I believe the balanced approach is to recognize the one primary force the moon does have, which is the control of the tides, and recognize that this effect is the only one proven to exist, and therefore, the only proven effect the moon would have upon its departure.

FURTHERMORE I postulate that the entire concept and school of thought surrounding the moon being so important to the environment and ecosystem and thus pivotal to supporting our civilization lest there be cataclysm and upheaval, is an idea artificially introduced into society by those who control the moon in the first place! Surely this is biased!

[phemohilia]

there was somthing about it.
controlled media. totalitarian control of the population.
plus everything he knows is a lie
like 1984....only nicer. worth a watch again now your awake.

and the dude who ran the show............. lived in the moon. :eek:



And his name was "Christof".... :eek:

[quetzalcoatl]

Your posts are all speculation and radically ignore entire fields of research.

There is no evidence to show that the moon was created alongside the earth. There is, however, evidence to show the contrary. It is far more likely that the moon is a foreign body that was captured by our planets gravitational field. There is no evidence to show when this event might have taken place. Speculating on the effects on the planet should the moon leave our orbit is based on the presumption that the moon has always been present in our orbit, and takes many leaps in judgement. I would challenge anyone to provide their notes on how they calculate a lack of the moon would radically alter the axial wobble of our planet, and I could provide numerous sources that would say the contrary.

The only directly observable effect the lack of a moon would cause is an extended tide. Any effect or non-effect on the earth's weather makes presumptions about the nature of our planets weather model.

No it's fuckin not.

Look, the science (KNOWING) is all out there... - go find it yourself...

[deem]

I think NASAs bombing of the moon with a Kinetic weapon was an experiment to gauge what size crater it made at a certain velocity. Unlike the side that faces Earth, the dark side is badly scarred with craters,apparently theres a body in space that passes near Earth every 3,600 years, bringing with it a lot of small asteroids and rocks, coming from the direction of Orion, due to arrive Feb' 2013. NASA takes it very seriously, which is why any rocks and asteroids coming throu' the Earths atmosphere are now classified, and the elite are making preperations to hide out in the Denver moutains near that airport thats so far taken 17 years to build, the one with the NASA designed Kevlar roof. The precurser to this event has already happened. ie, the Norwegion Spiral. I'll dig up the link to a lecture i saw recently on the subject. Sorry if i wandered off topic.

[deem]

Here it is, for anyone thats interested. Its 13 parts, but they're not all in numerical order.http://the-rabbits-hole.com/?p=22

[turquoisefire777]

remmber kids:!

Finger Pointing to the Moon - Bruce Lee

Finger Pointing to the Moon - Bruce Lee - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDW6vkuqGLg

[catnap]

Can he prove it?

With depressing regularity Icke proves very little if anything. He comes out with ideas, theories and hypothesis but very little fact. Its one thing he is very consistent at.

He is what he is I guess. If people want to take his word as gospel thats their problem.

[glitch]

What really grinds my gears, is people who have done NO/Little research into the topic, but yet have an opinion of how Icke has lost the plot etc

Do some research into space, the universe, UFO's & Aliens, the moon etc and you might be able to see that what David is saying could actually be a possibility. Jose Escamilla has a very interesting doco called Moon Rising, its worth a gander.

I'm not suggesting anything you might find is the truth and gospel, but it may help remove the blinkers that some of you have when it comes to possibilities.

Remember, David would be the first person to tell you that he doesn't give 2 shits about what you think of him, or what he says. He's just presenting what he's found out and its up to us to take from it what we do.

Im looking forward to reading :)

[nirvana]

Wouldn't be bothering with the book then would he. I'm sure that the profits for being "got at" would be alot more lucrative than royalties from a book. I also think that he would be more valuable to the elite if he kept "credibility" as you put it because then he could lead us all down a merry dance that could be controlled.

I don't think the supposed "moon matrix" thoery is too far fetched, what more far fetched than us all living in a holagram, with reptilian masters:confused:


He is more valuble to the elite if he discredits the whole truth movement with moon space ship.

What makes you think he is not leading us down a merry dance?:rolleyes:

[nirvana]

The only thing far-fetched is people's inability to question the information themselves, rather than make assumptions based on what they have been lead to believe. ANYONE who does any amount of serious research into the moon should come to the conclusion that a hollow moon is not just likely, but the only plausible explanation of the evidence gathered.

I find it somewhat disconcerting that the majority of people on this forum are quicker to defend their paradigm of belief rather than question the material at hand.

If you find yourself being the unquestioning skeptic, try perusing some of the questions raised on this thread http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107885 and see if you are still so quick to defend a previously constructed belief.

What you are saying is why cant people just believe in david and have blind faith:rolleyes: yawn.

[nirvana]

it is surprising how much the programme has instilled itself into everyones consciousness.

TPTB tell us the moon is an orbiting body / a natural satelite and they would never lie to us would they?

let us all point fingers and create a mad man - that way our reality is safe. LoL

David has always said, Question Everything - and yet few people can question their own programing.


Yes question everything including david icke:cool:

The reason this is annoying people is because we are questioning :D

[pound]

With depressing regularity Icke proves very little if anything. He comes out with ideas, theories and hypothesis but very little fact. Its one thing he is very consistent at.

He is what he is I guess. If people want to take his word as gospel thats their problem.


And yet you expect us to take your uninformed word for it all....lol

[pound]

What really grinds my gears, is people who have done NO/Little research into the topic, but yet have an opinion of how Icke has lost the plot etc

Do some research into space, the universe, UFO's & Aliens, the moon etc and you might be able to see that what David is saying could actually be a possibility. Jose Escamilla has a very interesting doco called Moon Rising, its worth a gander.

I'm not suggesting anything you might find is the truth and gospel, but it may help remove the blinkers that some of you have when it comes to possibilities.

Remember, David would be the first person to tell you that he doesn't give 2 shits about what you think of him, or what he says. He's just presenting what he's found out and its up to us to take from it what we do.

Im looking forward to reading :)

+1...Pity though. The detractors will not heed this advice.

[nirvana]

Can't understand what all the fuss is about m'self; he writes his books and you either buy em or don't; believe em or don't.

He's stated many times that you can make up your own minds.
Can't see the point in accusing him of this that or the other.


And in the process david creates a smoke screen . Concentrate on the space moon craft instead of the financial collapse or the codex alimentairius etc.

If you dont believe in the moon matrix moon space craft ,you will after you have read the book 100 times each time you read it ,it will reinforce this idea into your subconscious . Then it becomes part of your reality.

Come on guys the whole moon space craft thing is a distraction:)

One question after you know all about the moon matrix and learn how trapped you are by it .And learn from david that there is nothing you can do then what?

Lets get back on track


What do we really need to be doing?

[catnap]

And yet you expect us to take your uninformed word for it all....lol

Ok if you are so high and mighty - what proof, actual demonstrable PROOF has David offered for the reptile theory then? Come on, show us - he's been talking of it for years so there must be LOADS of proof surely..............

[pound]

Ok if you are so high and mighty - what proof, actual demonstrable PROOF has David offered for the reptile theory then? Come on, show us - he's been talking of it for years so there must be LOADS of proof surely..............

Hope you got a little bit of time....Click the link and knock yourself out lol:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103677

[nicolaj]

David writes the moon matrix is feeding us a manipulated sense of self 24/7.

I'd like to know from the book when it's out if that includes himself, how he came to this thinking and if he believes he's beaten this manipulation himself and how.

[onelifestand]

Does anyone find the promotional blurb for davids new book a bit off putting?



Can anyone who is a freethinker really take it seriously?

Whats your thoughts? thanks.


No matter what David Icke, nor anyone else talks about, it's intended to be read with an open mind. You may agree with some, you may disagree with others but always have an open mind.

If anyone thinks that David Icke has lost it then it's just you who have perhaps reached your limit on what you want to believe? Either way, if Icke had lost it then he'd have stopped working - then he's lost it.
He's looking into things that may seem inconcievable at first but they'r presented in such a way that they...dare I say it...seem believable.

If anyone can't take it seriously or make an effort to understand it then I wonder what you'r doing on a forum like this one to be honest.
The amount of nay sayers on this forum is just like what Joe Bloggs would say about his previous work to be honest.
This community was created for people with an open mind.

[hagbard_celine]

I find it very unlikely that the moon is hollow or artifical, but there are artifical structures on there, and I'm not talking about the Apollo or Luna craft etc.;)

But I'm going to wait until I've read the book to be sure. I wouldn't denounce it before checking out David's reasons for thinking what he does.:cool:

[merlincove]

I think NASAs bombing of the moon with a Kinetic weapon was an experiment to gauge what size crater it made at a certain velocity. Unlike the side that faces Earth, the dark side is badly scarred with craters,apparently theres a body in space that passes near Earth every 3,600 years, bringing with it a lot of small asteroids and rocks, coming from the direction of Orion, due to arrive Feb' 2013. NASA takes it very seriously, which is why any rocks and asteroids coming throu' the Earths atmosphere are now classified, and the elite are making preperations to hide out in the Denver moutains near that airport thats so far taken 17 years to build, the one with the NASA designed Kevlar roof. The precurser to this event has already happened. ie, the Norwegion Spiral. I'll dig up the link to a lecture i saw recently on the subject. Sorry if i wandered off topic.

rocks entering the Earths atmosphere are not classified, i collect meteorites (have been doing so for over ten years) and they are readily available on eBay lol.

You can also buy them from Moroccan markets and Bedouin dealers etc. the only meteorites that are classified are those that land in the Antarctic regions, and I’m unsure of the exact legislation but it is illegal to remove them – perhaps something to do with the area being a multi-nation continent. The Canadian Gvt also made the ciollection of meteorites that land in its province illegal unless they were collected by state appointed scientists – which created a bit of a who har at the time as a valuable meteorite that landed in a frozen lake was lost as collectors were not allowed to source it.

Otherwise there is no embargo on collecting rocks that have crashed to earth from space. If there was my collection, as well as many others, would be illegal lol.

There is a classification system re meteorites, but that is only to catalogue meteoric types etc and only classifies them (really) for type and often to add value to the piece etc as it proves provenance to a certain degree.

The body in space with a near Solar passing of 3600 years has been variously labelled Nibiru, Planet X etc, and has been the subject of a lot of interweb whohar over the last ten years or so, and youtube is rife with that bs.

If Sitchin is to be believed then Nibiru’s next Solar passing is between 1000 and 1600 years away, as the Sumerian texts gave some accounts of its previous flyby’s – the last remarked one was 3500BC, which obviously puts its next emergence in our region of the solar system around the time of Christ (maybe the mythical star of Bethlehem eh?) and then of course that further asserts that its next arrival will be sometime in the period between NASA is doing with the Antarctic station is not looking for Nibiru, and that I think has been used as a huge smoke screen by TPTB to mask whatever it is they are really doing there.

:D

[chloesnose]

the alien base on the moon theory has been around donkeys years,davids thinking is nowt new.the moon is exactly where it needs to be if aliens were to terraform the earth,controls tides,weather patterns etc, (coincedence)exactly the right distance for total eclipse(only one in the solar system apparently)(coincedence) the moon only spins enough for us not to see the dark side.(coincedence) armstrongs chat about being watched,drill holes and "footprints".seasons and harvests etc all happen around lunar cycles.So are we lucky to be here now because of the moons position in space.or was the moon deliberately "put" here so we could grown here to be enslaved.as we now know,sun worship more often than not included moon worship,only the last 1000years or so anyone "barkin at the moon" was considered a LUNATIC.sent to an asylum.out the way.were never allowed to think differently,exactly as david states,and most on this thread have proved him right,outside the box folks,OUTSIDE THE BOX:confused:

[subl1minal]

This doesn't quite make sense to me... however, regarding the forecast of weather; they can fairly accurately predict the weather, utilizing various methods, just as they can predict the affects of having no moon would cause... - it's no accident or co-incidence life prevailed here & we have a giant moon, compared to say, Mars...

Yes, they can predict the weather, because they manipulate it.:cool:

the alien base on the moon theory has been around donkeys years,davids thinking is nowt new.the moon is exactly where it needs to be if aliens were to terraform the earth,controls tides,weather patterns etc, (coincedence)exactly the right distance for total eclipse(only one in the solar system apparently)(coincedence) the moon only spins enough for us not to see the dark side.(coincedence) armstrongs chat about being watched,drill holes and "footprints".seasons and harvests etc all happen around lunar cycles.So are we lucky to be here now because of the moons position in space.or was the moon deliberately "put" here so we could grown here to be enslaved.as we now know,sun worship more often than not included moon worship,only the last 1000years or so anyone "barkin at the moon" was considered a LUNATIC.sent to an asylum.out the way.were never allowed to think differently,exactly as david states,and most on this thread have proved him right,outside the box folks,OUTSIDE THE BOX:confused:

The theory might not be new, but what Icke has found could be ;)

[nirvana]

No matter what David Icke, nor anyone else talks about, it's intended to be read with an open mind. You may agree with some, you may disagree with others but always have an open mind.

If anyone thinks that David Icke has lost it then it's just you who have perhaps reached your limit on what you want to believe? Either way, if Icke had lost it then he'd have stopped working - then he's lost it.
He's looking into things that may seem inconcievable at first but they'r presented in such a way that they...dare I say it...seem believable.

If anyone can't take it seriously or make an effort to understand it then I wonder what you'r doing on a forum like this one to be honest.
The amount of nay sayers on this forum is just like what Joe Bloggs would say about his previous work to be honest.
This community was created for people with an open mind.

Again the same questions come. If anyone cant take it serious or make an effort to understand it. you wonder what they are doing on a forum like this?

Well im on a forum like this to learn but also to question everything. As truth seekers we need to question everything {david would}

If you come out with things controversial then expect lots of arguments .Without arguments we just become so called sheeple:D

[nayan]

its another theory. like someone mentioned ealier on this topic that its like believing in god or not. if the moon is a gigantic ‘spacecraft’, are we already controlled then? from that they should be able to see our every move?

again, it is a interesting theory.

[newworldengineer]

I just hope it doesn't take the blame away from the elite down here, and that we still must motivate ourselves to make a difference here on earth, like i dunno... protest the moon or sumfink :cool:

[filinfinland]

If you go down the route that we all exist in group psychosis then we accomplish nothing. The very basis for all understanding of the universe is gone, and we know nothing. However, that also means everything David says is equally unprovable. Philosophers have talked about this sort of stuff before, but ultimately it goes nowhere.

What basis for understanding the universe, the one you get from the daily mail.

Have you heard of the dispute between gravitational cosmology and plasma cosmology? NO, because you already know how the universe works don't you.

Have you read milo wolffs PROOF that matter does not exist and is a result of standing waves is space. This was published in 1991, have any of you heard of it?.

Your basis for understanding the universe is easily debunked by spending half an hour on amazon.com Just 'cos it 'ain't on the front page, doesn't mean it hasn't been printed.

Just for a laugh, google "moon anomolies". There are some real whackos reporting these things, science teachers and toolmakers with a home made telescope in a shed saying things like "according to the NAVAL ALMANAC the moon should have risen at 19.42 and yet it rose at 19.35. "

People who actually watch the moon for a hobby (???) are reporting unexplained activity. Something wierd is happening on the moon.

[spock]

And his name was "Christof".... :eek:

;)

[andthevillainstillpersuesher]

I'm yet to believe that the moon plays a role in 'controlling' us, but I'm fairly convinced it is not what we think it is:

''The origin of the Moon is one of the most complicated problems of cosmogony. So far there have been basically three hypotheses under discussion.

HYPOTHESIS I. The Moon was once a part of the Earth and broke away from it.

This has now been refuted by the evidence.

HYPOTHESIS II. The Moon was formed independently from the same cloud of dust and gas as the Earth, and immediately became the Earth's natural satellite.

But then why is there such a big difference between the specific gravity of the Moon (3.33 grammes per cubic centimetre) and that of the Earth (5.5 gr.)? Furthermore, according to the latest information (analysis of samples brought back by the U.S. Apollo astronauts) lunar rock is not of the same composition as the Earth's.

HYPOTHESIS III. The Moon came into being separately, and, moreover, far from the Earth (perhaps even outside the Solar system).

This would mean that the moon would not have to be fashioned from the same "clay" as our own planet. Sailing through the Universe, the Moon came into Earth's proximity, and by a complex interplay of forces of gravity was brought within a geocentric orbit, very close to circular. But a catch of this kind is virtually impossible.

In fact, scientists studying the origin of the Universe today have no acceptable theory to explain how the Earth-Moon system came into being.

OUR HYPOTHESIS: The Moon is an artificial Earth satellite put into orbit around the Earth by some intelligent beings unknown to ourselves.

We refuse to engage in speculation about who exactly staged this unique experiment, which only a highly developed civilisation was capable of.

A NOAH'S ARK?

If you are going to launch an artificial sputnik, then it is advisable to make it hollow. At the same time it would be naive to imagine that anyone capable of such a tremendous space project would be satisfied simply with some kind of giant empty trunk hurled into a near-Earth trajectory.

It is more likely that what we have here is a very ancient spaceship, the interior of which was filled with fuel for the engines, materials and appliances for repair work, navigation, instruments, observation equipment and all manner of machinery... in other words, everything necessary to enable this "caravelle of the Universe" to serve as a kind of Noah's Ark of intelligence, perhaps even as the home of a whole civilisation envisaging a prolonged (thousands of millions of years) existence and long wanderings through space (thousands of millions of miles).

Naturally, the hull of such a spaceship must be super-tough in order to stand up to the blows of meteorites and sharp fluctuations between extreme heat and extreme cold. Probably the shell is a double-layered affair--the basis a dense armouring of about 20 miles in thickness, and outside it some kind of more loosely packed covering (a thinner layer--averaging about three miles). In certain areas--where the lunar "seas" and "craters" are, the upper layer is quite thin, in some cases, non-existent.

Since the Moon's diameter is 2,162 miles, then looked at from our point of view it is a thin-walled sphere. And, understandably, not an empty one. There could be all kinds of materials and equipment on its inner surface. But the greatest proportion of the lunar mass is concentrated in the central part of the sphere, in its core, which has a diameter of 2,062 miles.

Thus the distance between the kernel and the shell of this nut is in the region of 30 miles. This space was doubtless filled with gases required for breathing, and for technological and other purposes.

With such an internal structure the Moon could have an average specific gravity if 3.3 grammes per cubic centimetre, which differs considerably from that of Earth (5.5 grammes per cubic centimetre).

A BATTLESHIP THEY COULDN'T TORPEDO?

The most numerous and interesting of the formations on the lunar surface are the craters. In diameter they vary considerably. Some are less that a yard across, while others are more than 120 miles (the biggest has a diameter of 148 miles). How does the Moon come to be so pockmarked?

There are two hypothesis--volcanic and meteoric. Most scientists vote for the latter.

Kirill Stanyukovich, a Soviet physicist, has written a whole series of works since 1937 in which he expounds the idea that the craters are the result of bombardment of the Moon for millions of years. And he really means bombardment, for even the smallest celestial body, when it is involved in one of those fastest head-on collisions so common in the cosmos behaves itself like a warhead charged with dynamite, or even an atomic warhead at times. Instant combustion takes place on impact, turning it into a dense cloud of incandescent gas, into plasma, and there is a very definite explosion.

According to Professor Stanykovich, a "missile" of a sizable character (say 6 miles in diameter) must, on collision with the Moon, penetrate to a depth equal to 4 or 5 times its own diameter (24-30 miles).

The surprising thing is that however big the meteorites may have been which have fallen on the Moon (some have been more than 60 miles in diameter), and however fast they must have been travelling (in some cases the combined speed was as much as 38 miles per second), the craters they have left behind are for some odd reason all about the same depth, 1.2-2 miles, although they vary tremendously in diameter.

Take that 148-mile diameter crater. In area it outdoes Hiroshima hundreds of times over. What a powerful explosion it must have been to send millions of tons of lunar rock fountaining over tens of miles! On the face of it, one would expect to find a very deep crater here, but nothing of the sort: there is three miles at the most between top and bottom levels, and one third of that is accounted for by the wall of rock thrown up around the crater like a toothed crown.

For such a big hole, it is too shallow. Furthermore, the bottom of the crater is convex, following the curve of the lunar surface. If you were to stand in the middle of the crater you would not even be able to see the soaring edge-- it would be beyond the horizon. A hollow that is more like a hill is a rather strange affair, perhaps.

Not really, if one assumes that when the meteorite strikes the outer covering of the moon, this plays the role of a buffer and the foreign body finds itself up against an impenetrable spherical barrier. Only slightly denting the 20-mile layer of armour plating, the explosion flings bits of its "coating" far and wide.

Bearing in mind that the Moon's defence coating is, according to our calculations, 2.5 miles thick, one sees that this is approximately the maximum depth of the craters.

A SPACESHIP COME TO GRIEF?

Now let us consider the chemical peculiarities of the lunar rock. Upon analysis, American scientists have found chromium, titanium and zirconium in it. These are all metals with refractory, mechanically strong and anti-corrosive properties. A combination of them all would have envitable resistance to heat and the ability to stand up to means of aggression, and could be used on Earth for linings for electrical furnaces.

If a material had to be devised to protect a giant artificial satellite from the unfavourable effects of temperature, from cosmic radiation and meteorite bombardment, the experts would probably have hit on precisely these metals. In that case it is not clear why lunar rock is such an extraordinarily poor heat conductor--a factor which so amazed the astronauts? Wasn't that what the designers of the super-sputnik of the Earth were after?

From the engineers point of view, this spaceship of ages long past which we call the Moon is superbly constructed. There may be a good reason for its extreme longevity. It is even possible that it predates our own planet. At any rate, some pieces of lunar rock have proved older than the oldest on Earth, although it is true, this applies to the age of the materials and not of the structure for which they were used. And from the number of craters on its surface, the Moon itself is no chicken.

It is, of course, difficult to say when it began to shine in the sky above the Earth, but on the basis of some preliminary estimates one might hazard a guess that it was around two thousand million years ago.

We do not, of course, imagine that the moon is still inhabited, and probably many of its automatic devices have stopped working, too. The stabilisers have ceased functioning and the poles have shifted. Even though the moon keeps that same side turned towards us, for some time it has been unsteady on its own axis, on occasion showing us part of its reverse side which were once invisible to observers on the Earth--for example, the Selenites themselves if they made expeditions here.

Time has taken its toll. Both body and rigging have disintegrated to some extent; some seams on the inner shell evidently diverged. We assume that the long (up to 940 miles) chains of small craters formerly ascribed to volcanic activity were brought about by eruptions of gas through cracks appearing in the armour plating as a result of accidents.

No doubt one of the most splendid features of the lunarscape--a straight "wall" nearly 500 yards high and over 60 miles long--formed as a result of one of the armour plates bending under the impact of celestial torpedoes and raising one of its straight, even edges.

The Moon's population presumeably took the necessary steps to remedy the effects of meteorite bombardment, for example, patching up rents in the outer shield covering the inner shell. For such purposes a substance from the lunar core was probably used, a kind a cement being made from it. After processing this would be piped to the surface sites where it was required.

Not long ago astronomers discovered variations in the gravitational fields near the large "seas". We believe the reason to be this: the Moon's dry seas are in fact areas from which the protective coating was torn from the armour cladding. To make good the damage to these vast tracts, the installation producing the repair substance would have had to be brought immediately beneath the site so that it could flood the area with is "cement". The resulting flat stretches are what look like seas to the terrestrial observer.

The stocks of materials and machinery for doing this are no doubt still where they were, and are sufficiently massive to give rise to these gravitational anomalies.

What is the Moon today? Is it a colossal necropolis, a "city of the dead," where some form of life became extinct? Is it a kind cosmic Flying Dutchman? A craft abandoned by its crew and controlled automatically? We do not know and we shall not try to guess.

WAITING FOR THE EVIDENCE

We have put forward in this article only a few of the reasons--unfortunately the evidence is so far only circumstantial--for our hypothesis, which at first glance may appear to be crazy.

A similar "crazy" idea was put forward in 1959 by Professor Iosif Shklovsky, an eminent scientist, in relation to the "moons" circling around Mars. After carefully weighing up the evidence he concludes that they are both hollow and therefore artificial satellites.

We feel that the questions we have raised in connection with our Moon provide sufficient food for serious thought on the matter; the result may be the illumination of our many lunar riddles.

Now, of course, we have to wait for direct evidence to support our idea. Or refute it.

Probably there will not be long to wait.''

[decode reality]

I just hope it doesn't take the blame away from the elite down here, and that we still must motivate ourselves to make a difference here on earth, like i dunno... protest the moon or sumfink :cool:

Sorry to go off on a tangent from the thread n.w.e but the elite ultimately aren't to blame. It's the human race's belief and endorsement of them that allows them to do what they do. We have to take stock and take the responsibility to see how we've been allowing these maniacs to control us.

[decode reality]

Yes question everything including david icke:cool:

The reason this is annoying people is because we are questioning :D

BINGO!

I've agreed with many of the things you've said on this thread, but this to me sums it up. That's where I'm at. And it's not a sign of disrespect to the man or of a 'matrix mind' to express these views.

[decode reality]

(A shameless second posting of something from another thread)

The reactions to the brief synopsis of the new book? They aren't preconceived notions for the most part, they are the natural reaction as to when someone tells you something initially, be it a 'pro' or 'anti' reaction.

Back in 2003, David was asked on a radio phone in if he had read the Celestine Prophesy. He said no and I paraphrase him: "I read by intuition and if I pick a book up, I instantaneously know if it's for me or not - and that book isn't for me"

That suggests to me that he hasn't read the book and is making a (wait for it) judgment based upon his gut feeling.

Now, why aren't others allowed to go through the same process as David without people looking askance at them? I have bought a few of David's books and generally they have been very helpful, yet I must say this.

[cosmo1]

And in the process david creates a smoke screen . Concentrate on the space moon craft instead of the financial collapse or the codex alimentairius etc.

If you dont believe in the moon matrix moon space craft ,you will after you have read the book 100 times each time you read it ,it will reinforce this idea into your subconscious . Then it becomes part of your reality.

Come on guys the whole moon space craft thing is a distraction:)

One question after you know all about the moon matrix and learn how trapped you are by it .And learn from david that there is nothing you can do then what?

Lets get back on track


What do we really need to be doing?

It doesn't matter what i say, it doesn't matter what you say; people will believe what they will - and good on them.
I couldn't care less.
I have come to the conclusion that people just like to bang on - and on and on and on ad nauseum :D

[thirty3]

Dr c soloman of MIT in ''''Aeronautics Febuary 1962 '''''. Reported in an article.........'' The Lunar orbiter experiments vastly improved our knowledge of the moon's gravatational field....indicating the frightening possibilty that the moon might be hollow.''

[nelletuorg7]

Ive known the moon was a space station for years I applaud Icke for bringing this to light!

Maybe , Ingo Swann had some imfluence on D Icke's theories? From his book Penatration?

[queenofleon]

it is suprising for me, that in your research you have not got the "moon is a space ship" yet. David is slow on the uptake with this one, many others have been saying it for years, stewart swerdlow, alex collier, peggy kane....You can google info on a time before the moon arrived. Also john Lear has some interesting info on a moon "soul catcher" and this tallies with the work of gurdjieff.



David hasnt lost it. He is just catching up with everyone else.

[dreamweaver]

David hasnt lost it. He is just catching up with everyone else.

I guess he's running out of bandwagons to jump on.

[dusthead]

The moon is a huge hollowed out spacecraft that controls my mind in a matrix like scenario. Hmmm....

Sorry guys - If I had money on it I wouldn't bet in favour of Icke. This belongs in the imaginations of George Lucas & Ron L Hubbard. If Icke is not careful he may go right back to the drawing board. Anyone remember the Wogan show? With respect, I fear this moon theory would get more laughs. Fortunately for Icke the new book has had less publicity.

Unless this theory is some sort of spiritual or philosophical idea, Icke could damage his reputation beyond repair. However, if we are to take this premise literally....Ouch!

[edward123]

Edward123 wrote:


Do us all a favour.

Actually READ his book before you write the above BS.

If you bothered to read you'd see he is not talking about the film.

He is only using it as an ANALOGY to explain his concept of the mutli-dimensional universe we live in.

Can you grasp that?





Of course the world is an illusion.

Even a child understands that.

Look at anything. It is only temporary. it takes one form -
then another.

A plant will be a plant - then disolve back into the earth and its cells
will reemerge into something completely different.

So in this sense, of course everything is an illusion. it is NOT REAL.

The 'stuff' it is made up of is real in the sense that it is eternal and indestructable
but everything around us, the FORMS are an illsion in the sense that they are
only a temporary manifestation.




of course you are real.

Tell me in his books where he says you are not real.

In fact he says we are infinite awareness - infinitely REAL while
all around us is an illusion i.e in the sense of things infinitely
changing into new and different forms,

Do you see mate, if you actually READ his books you wouldn't
have to write such BS.



What are FACTS?

Define what is a fact?

Only the things we can percieve with our 5 senses??

is that how you would define a 'fact'?



Icke and writers similar to him are probably the only real threat to them
as they are getting closer and closer to the NWO real source of power;
how they manipulate and control us by understanding and distorting the
nature and laws of consciousness.

They don't mind people exposing the Nwo. In fact, they love it.
It portrays them as all powerful .

Its the secret knowledge of how reality is created that they fear
people getting access to and then understanding.

No such danger in your case, though!

I have read his books. He must have been thrilled when the matrix films came out so he could nick the storyline and apply it to YOUR life. It doesn't apply to mine though. The ptb love the crap he comes out with as it taints all his nwo stuff. A lot of your post sounds like you have been brainwashed by a cult. WAKE UP.

[edward123]

lets see the evidence that the moon is a natural satelite then, that it isn't hollow.

Who's word do we take that the moon is actually what most people believe it to be?

And lets take it a step futher eh, ghow can anyone prove that the univers we see, the stars in the sky and the moon are not just holographic projections?

C'mon, ultimately what can be proven?

But all these ideas come from films.

[edward123]

This is pure speculation. If the moon left our orbit it at its present speed it would have no direct effects on the planet other than an extended tide period. According to many sources such as Credo Mutwa, the ancient planet was perpetually in a shrouded mist with perpetual drizzle and no deserts existed on the planet during those time periods.

Credo Mutwa dug up and ate a human hand. I wouldn't pay any attention to what a self confessed cannibal has to say about the moon.

[edward123]

Actually it was! The heads of the production were situated there, and issued the commands from it. Trueman's life was a shame, and he lived with the knowledge of it for most of his life. The movie was very inspiring.

Your question has me thinking a little differently about that movie now. :)

Great! Another idea stolen from a movie! The next book will say that we are all "avatars" controlling ourselves from a spaceship buried in mount everest as we crashed landed there 1000's of years ago and got bored being stuck in a mountain so we decided to create our own "matrix".

[dreamweaver]

lets see the evidence that the moon is a natural satelite then, that it isn't hollow.

Who's word do we take that the moon is actually what most people believe it to be?

And lets take it a step futher eh, ghow can anyone prove that the univers we see, the stars in the sky and the moon are not just holographic projections?

C'mon, ultimately what can be proven?

Merlin, if your best argument is "Ah, but can you disprove it? Ner-ner ner ner-ner!", then you don't have any worthwhile argument at all, my friend. :)

It can actually be proven quite easily that the moon is not hollow if you have an understanding of physics:

http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/personnel/russell/papers/measure%289%29/
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2002/2001JE001658.shtml
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118543068/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/181/4094/49
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/281/5382/1476

Let me know when you've finished those and have understood them, then I'll suggest some further reading for you. :)

[curtaincat]

I have read his books. He must have been thrilled when the matrix films came out so he could nick the storyline and apply it to YOUR life. It doesn't apply to mine though. The ptb love the crap he comes out with as it taints all his nwo stuff. A lot of your post sounds like you have been brainwashed by a cult. WAKE UP.

the matrix films came from a book by . . . . P .... I aint gonna tell you , if you dont know.

just a clue here... ( not being mean, dick) ... a clue.. cos for some reason you think the "matrix" originated from a movie. amazing. i just cant believe it. oh well, up to you to sort it out.

i am not giving away any clues dude, lol.

and i bet you havent got a clue what i am saying here, or who i am talking about.;)

[dreamweaver]

Great! Another idea stolen from a movie! The next book will say that we are all "avatars" controlling ourselves from a spaceship buried in mount everest as we crashed landed there 1000's of years ago and got bored being stuck in a mountain so we decided to create our own "matrix".

Nah, it'll be a volcano where Xenu killed all the Thetans.

[edward123]

the matrix films came from a book by . . . . P .... I aint gonna tell you , if you dont know.

just a clue here... ( not being mean, dick) ... a clue.. cos for some reason you think the "matrix" originated from a movie. amazing. i just cant believe it. oh well, up to you to sort it out.

i am not giving away any clues dude, lol.

and i bet you havent got a clue what i am saying here, or who i am talking about.;)

Actually david ickes use of the matrix comes from the film. Ask him, he gained many followers who believe they live in the matrix as it is portrayed in a FILM.

[curtaincat]

Actually david ickes use of the matrix comes from the film. Ask him, he gained many followers who believe they live in the matrix as it is portrayed in a FILM.

ok eddy, you stick to your belief... but u still do not have a clue about what i was talking about, otherwise you would mention it. up to you :)

[newworldengineer]

I just can't bring myself to be wary of the moon! I love when there's a full moon, I feel my most energetic and clear minded... Always choose my psychedelic rituals on such nights to get the most out of them. :)

[nicolaj]

Actually david ickes use of the matrix comes from the film. Ask him, he gained many followers who believe they live in the matrix as it is portrayed in a FILM.

He writes himself he believes it's pretty much to same as the matrix film.

[edward123]

the matrix films came from a book by . . . . P .... I aint gonna tell you , if you dont know.

just a clue here... ( not being mean, dick) ... a clue.. cos for some reason you think the "matrix" originated from a movie. amazing. i just cant believe it. oh well, up to you to sort it out.

i am not giving away any clues dude, lol.

and i bet you havent got a clue what i am saying here, or who i am talking about.;)

If i paid you £20 would you tell me? I believe the person you speak of to be a very high up freemason.

[curtaincat]

If i paid you £20 would you tell me? I believe the person you speak of to be a very high up freemason.

lol, u gotta be kidding.

OK, now you owe me twenty pounds. Philip K Dick, now go and research something. and he aint a freemason, silly. research the word silly too, while u are at it. lol :p

( i will tell u this for free... silly means empty.. one less thing to research) haha :)

[reptileslayer]

Does anyone find the promotional blurb for davids new book a bit off putting?



Can anyone who is a freethinker really take it seriously?

Whats your thoughts? thanks.
I think he has left himself and also us, to attacks from the sceptics and debunkers it sounds like a science fiction B movie story to me.

[curtaincat]

I think he has left himself and also us, to attacks from the sceptics and debunkers it sounds like a science fiction B movie story to me.

and that is why u have such a brilliant nickname! :D:p

[edward123]

lol, u gotta be kidding.

OK, now you owe me twenty pounds. Philip K Dick, now go and research something. and he aint a freemason, silly. research the word silly too, while u are at it. lol :p

( i will tell u this for free... silly means empty.. one less thing to research) haha :)

LMAO!:D I knew if i mentioned the word freemason you would have to tell me lol!:D
Now who feels silly?
Exhibiting a lack of wisdom or good sense; foolish

[curtaincat]

LMAO!:D I knew if i mentioned the word freemason you would have to tell me lol!:D
Now who feels silly?

eddy, u are a cute kid on ur skateboard, but tell me if you dream of electric sheep... no, probly not.

:p

[dreamweaver]

lol, u gotta be kidding.

OK, now you owe me twenty pounds. Philip K Dick, now go and research something. and he aint a freemason, silly. research the word silly too, while u are at it. lol :p

( i will tell u this for free... silly means empty.. one less thing to research) haha :)

Ah, come on, it goes back much further than that. Dick himself (as well as William Gibson, another influence) was drawing heavily on philosophical concepts, some going as far back as Hinduism and earlier.

Probably the most important single source was Jean Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, which was required reading for all the main actors (even Keanu :D). Baudrillard thinks the Matrix misunderstands and distorts his work, by the way. ;)

[curtaincat]

Ah, come on, it goes back much further than that. Dick himself (as well as William Gibson, another influence) was drawing heavily on philosophical concepts, some going as far back as Hinduism and earlier.

yay, dreamweaver, pls tell this stuff to eddy! he needs you ! obviously i am way too subtle, lol

[edward123]

Icke still nicked "his" version of the matrix from the films. Does anyone know whether he has had any original ideas of his own?

[dreamweaver]

Icke still nicked "his" version of the matrix from the films. Does anyone know whether he has had any original ideas of his own?

His simplification of the Hegelian dialectic into the slogan "Problem - Reaction - Solution" is one example I can think of.

I don't think there's anything wrong with him using the imagery of the Matrix, incidentally. He's never claimed it for his own, he simply finds it a really strong analogy to get across what he is saying.

[edward123]

He even nicked the "son of God" bit from Jesus!
The title of his book "and the truth shall set you free" is from John the Baptist in the Bible.

[curtaincat]

eddy thinks the matrix film is the only thing we need to consider. if he gets off his skateboard his mind might untwirl itself. if he had a mind.

Imagine believing that the movie Matrix was the first and ever thingy about illusion etc. Eddy had never heard of maya ?

oh , i am now definately going to bed, to sleep perchance to dream... wow .. a dreamworld yay!

nites, everyone x:cool::)

[edward123]

I'm sure if he thought about it long enough he would claim that thomas and the tank engine are real and actually run the world.

[skeptik]

Does anyone find the promotional blurb for davids new book a bit off putting?

Can anyone who is a freethinker really take it seriously?

Whats your thoughts? thanks.



to think that something so beautiful and intrinsic to our life on earth is to be turned into an object of fear and paranoia is really depressing. human arrogance really knows no bounds does it... we're so important that we are being secretly monitored and manipulated by extraterrestrials* who live in the moon ? it's beyond infantile.


*these reptilians/ETs sure are a cautious bunch. just how long do they need to get their domination plan into action ?

[edward123]

eddy thinks the matrix film is the only thing we need to consider. if he gets off his skateboard his mind might untwirl itself. if he had a mind.

Imagine believing that the movie Matrix was the first and ever thingy about illusion etc. Eddy had never heard of maya ?

oh , i am now definately going to bed, to sleep perchance to dream... wow .. a dreamworld yay!

nites, everyone x:cool::)

Now don't be silly i have stated many times that ickes "matrix" is stolen straight from the film.

[edward123]

to think that something so beautiful and intrinsic to our life on earth is to be turned into an object of fear and paranoia is really depressing. human arrogance really knows no bounds does it... we're so important that we are being secretly monitored and manipulated by extraterrestrials* who live in the moon ? it's beyond infantile.


*these reptilians/ETs sure are a cautious bunch. just how long do they need to get their domination plan into action ?

You hit the nail on the head there. Well said.

[dreamweaver]

He even nicked the "son of God" bit from Jesus!
The title of his book "and the truth shall set you free" is from John the Baptist in the Bible.

Most MSM headline writers reference other works. David Icke is doing nothing unusual in that respect.

If he's passing off other people's work as his own then yes, that is plagiarism. But simply being influenced by other people's ideas isn't plagiarism; if that were so, just about every musician on the planet is guilty of it.

[edward123]

Most MSM headline writers reference other works. David Icke is doing nothing unusual in that respect.

If he's passing off other people's work as his own then yes, that is plagiarism. But simply being influenced by other people's ideas isn't plagiarism; if that were so, just about every musician on the planet is guilty of it.

I'm not suggesting that he is passing others work off as his own. I'm pointing out that he has offered nothing original.

[edward123]

All his reptilian work really just a twist on the Bible.

[wonderfullife]

All his reptilian work really just a twist on the Bible.

Considering they wrote the bible as we know it.

[wonderfullife]

It's time to get the book and read it b4 making an ass out of u and me Assume.
Nothing of davids work should be assumed.
Even to this day the debate about Reptilians goes on and on and on.....
Goodness me David is not saying anyone has to believe anything he says he is not some sort of Guru just connect the dots for oneself.
The moon theroy well it makes sense i would need to read Davids book to make my mind up.
I don't think he has written a book 700 pages long to just talk about the moon i would hope he goes further to connecting the dots.
Hollywood is manipulated so sure the movie star wars was used to give a little of the game away.

[leviathanstaar]

Has david lost it?




No.

[wonderfullife]

Has david lost it?




No.

+1

[dreamweaver]

Hollywood is manipulated so sure the movie star wars was used to give a little of the game away.

Except that's not how Star Wars was made (or indeed how most movies are made). Just like any other screenwriter, especially a relative newbie like Lucas was at the time, he had to pitch his idea to the movie studios. They didn't come looking for him, he had to come knocking on their doors.

Lucas wrote his first synopsis (http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/scripts/thestarwars_synopsis.htm) of "The Star Wars" (as he called it then) in May 1973. His rough draft (http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/scripts/thestarwars_rough_draft.htm) was written in May 1974 (it's terrible, by the way! :D)

You can see how his script evolved to the final version at http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/scripts.htm

Oh, of course you can make up a claim that this is all an invented backstory, he was one of "them" from the start blah de blah blah, if that makes you happy. But I'll stick with him being a relative nobody who pitched an idea to various studios until he found one that said yes and gave him a budget, thanks.

[wonderfullife]

Except that's not how Star Wars was made (or indeed how most movies are made). Just like any other screenwriter, especially a relative newbie like Lucas was at the time, he had to pitch his idea to the movie studios. They didn't come looking for him, he had to come knocking on their doors.

Lucas wrote his first synopsis (http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/scripts/thestarwars_synopsis.htm) of "The Star Wars" (as he called it then) in May 1973. His rough draft (http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/scripts/thestarwars_rough_draft.htm) was written in May 1974 (it's terrible, by the way! :D)

You can see how his script evolved to the final version at http://www.starwarz.com/starkiller/scripts.htm

Oh, of course you can make up a claim that this is all an invented backstory, he was one of "them" from the start blah de blah blah, if that makes you happy. But I'll stick with him being a relative nobody who pitched an idea to various studios until he found one that said yes and gave him a budget, thanks.

Lucas was doing a job making movies and he did really well.
But hollywood is manipulated wether the directors or actors realise but they are.
I do not think for one moment george came up with the whole story out of his own brain like anything we are all manipulated wether we like it or not.
I do not believe George is one of 'them' just another puppet who is good at his job. I am sure ideas can be implanted without anyone being any the wiser.

[erthiz]

Oh, of course you can make up a claim that this is all an invented backstory, he was one of "them" from the start blah de blah blah, if that makes you happy. But I'll stick with him being a relative nobody who pitched an idea to various studios until he found one that said yes and gave him a budget, thanks

I dont know what i believe when it comes to Star Wars and what its based on etc etc.

Butttttt i think its pretty clear the truth is hidden in a lot of Hollywood films.

As for Star Wars, after Lucas pitched his rough draft and got the go ahead, did he script the final version himself? or did anyone else have an input?.... no one really knows the answer to that, except Lucas.

[merlincove]

Merlin, if your best argument is "Ah, but can you disprove it? Ner-ner ner ner-ner!", then you don't have any worthwhile argument at all, my friend. :)

It can actually be proven quite easily that the moon is not hollow if you have an understanding of physics:

http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/personnel/russell/papers/measure%289%29/
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2002/2001JE001658.shtml
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118543068/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/181/4094/49
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/281/5382/1476

Let me know when you've finished those and have understood them, then I'll suggest some further reading for you. :)

like i say, ultimately what can be proven?

it is ok to say ah TPTB lied to us about 911 and the moon landings, but EVERYTHING else they tell us is true is it?

;)

re-think, because the programme has you if you dont.

[wonderfullife]

I dont know what i believe when it comes to Star Wars and what its based on etc etc.

Butttttt i think its pretty clear the truth is hidden in a lot of Hollywood films.

As for Star Wars, after Lucas pitched his rough draft and got the go ahead, did he script the final version himself? or did anyone else have an input?.... no one really knows the answer to that, except Lucas.

Exactly and hey if some big movie guys are offering you a wad of cash as long as they have the final say over the movie well who really would turn that down?
George knew they had the cash and therefore the cash to make movie populer so hey why not let them have the last word.
He was able to start his own production company and hey u need money for that so he could fufill his dreams and do a job he loved. Can anyone really blame him?

[merlincove]

We do not have all the answers, the universe is a much stranger beast than we can imagine.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[dreamweaver]

like i say, ultimately what can be proven?

it is ok to say ah TPTB lied to us about 911 and the moon landings, but EVERYTHING else they tell us is true is it?

;)

re-think, because the programme has you if you dont.

"They" are not one monolithic entity for a start and the moon landings did happen anyway.

If the best you can do is resort to relying on saying that nothing can be proven on a philosophical level, then you haven;t got very much, have you?

Gravity is "only" a theory. Apples might start to rise instead of fall tomorrow, but the two possibilities are not of equal merit. So by all means consider that the moon is hollow on the strength that the measurements "might" be wrong or faked or because "the government" is lying to us. If that's the way you rationalise things to yourself, good luck with that. :)

[erthiz]

Exactly and hey if some big movie guys are offering you a wad of cash as long as they have the final say over the movie well who really would turn that down?
George knew they had the cash and therefore the cash to make movie populer so hey why not let them have the last word.
He was able to start his own production company and hey u need money for that so he could fufill his dreams and do a job he loved. Can anyone really blame him?

Exactly, your spot on.

Bet this kind of thing happens all the time.

[wonderfullife]

Exactly, your spot on.

Bet this kind of thing happens all the time.

Course it does.
look at the beatles they never thought in a million years they would be as populer as they became a struggling band offered a wad of cash well ok let the music company dictate so the band could do what they loved and a job they are good at.
Not many of us can do this without the dreaded money.
I think the list goes on and on and on.
Didn't see they Live becoming a box office smash hit quite a low budget film (i lve it by the way) so it seems with that film maybe not so dictated to by big movie companies ( i could be wrong).

[merlincove]

"They" are not one monolithic entity for a start and the moon landings did happen anyway.

If the best you can do is resort to relying on saying that nothing can be proven on a philosophical level, then you haven;t got very much, have you?

Gravity is "only" a theory. Apples might start to rise instead of fall tomorrow, but the two possibilities are not of equal merit. So by all means consider that the moon is hollow on the strength that the measurements "might" be wrong or faked or because "the government" is lying to us. If that's the way you rationalise things to yourself, good luck with that. :)

i may not have very much, but with all due respect you (in believing the programme that you have been instilled with) have a lot less, because i believe in my truth while you choose to believe in others' thruth :D

i have an open mind enough to understand there are a lot more unanswered questions in the world than there are answers, and that many of the answers are flawed in respect of ego and a need to subvert the masses from the wisdom of spirit which has told me, since childhood, that many of the apparent Laws of physics and percieved accumin of universal philosophies are simply guesses at best and subversion at worst :D

[erthiz]

Course it does.
look at the beatles they never thought in a million years they would be as populer as they became a struggling band offered a wad of cash well ok let the music company dictate so the band could do what they loved and a job they are good at.
Not many of us can do this without the dreaded money.
I think the list goes on and on and on.
Didn't see they Live becoming a box office smash hit quite a low budget film (i lve it by the way) so it seems with that film maybe not so dictated to by big movie companies ( i could be wrong).

Yeah definetly.

Gaga and Jay-z are prime examples of this happening today.

[dreamweaver]

Exactly and hey if some big movie guys are offering you a wad of cash as long as they have the final say over the movie well who really would turn that down?
George knew they had the cash and therefore the cash to make movie populer so hey why not let them have the last word.
He was able to start his own production company and hey u need money for that so he could fufill his dreams and do a job he loved. Can anyone really blame him?

If "they" wanted to put out a movie to soften people up to the idea of a top secret "hollow moon spaceship", they would have chosen an established director to do it. And if that was their intention, it wouldn't be secret any more, would it?

Can I have some of what you're smoking, please?

[marpat]

Credo Mutwa dug up and ate a human hand. I wouldn't pay any attention to what a self confessed cannibal has to say about the moon.

To true. The fact is, where did Credo get his information from and who said there is any truth in it whatsoever. People think because he is a shaman that he must be expounding great hidden truths on things when there is no way to prove what he says.

[marpat]

All his reptilian work really just a twist on the Bible.

Or any occult teaching on demonology in general

[dreamweaver]

i may not have very much, but with all due respect you (in believing the programme that you have been instilled with) have a lot less, because i believe in my truth while you choose to believe in others' thruth :D
Congratulations on still being a child. ;)

i have an open mind enough to understand there are a lot more unanswered questions in the world than there are answers,

At least I know the difference between an open mind and an empty head.

Of course there are a lot of unanswered questions in the universe. If that is your basis for believing any old bollocks, then do carry on if it makes you happy. :)

[merlincove]

Congratulations on still being a child. ;)



At least I know the difference between an open mind and an empty head.

Of course there are a lot of unanswered questions in the universe. If that is your basis for believing any old bollocks, then do carry on if it makes you happy. :)

oooh, getting personal now eh? no matter how many ;):)

:eek:

my point is that how can anyone of us know what is true and what isn't? We can believe the grey beards or not, it isn't important, because whatever apparent facts wer are fed through the educational programme are all filtered through others ego's.

Nothing we feel that we know about the universe can be varified through our own understanding - we rely on being told the truth and that truth may be wrong, whether intentionally or not.

i know for a fact that the human mind can appreciate an illusion and believe what it is told to believe. Hypnotists use their skill to coerce someone to believe that they are eating an apple when they are eating an onion. the illusion is just that, a mind fuck - and how deep that mind fuck goes is the question that leads me to ask, how can anyone of us know the truth of something that we have no way to assertain for ourselves?

[marpat]

like i say, ultimately what can be proven?

it is ok to say ah TPTB lied to us about 911 and the moon landings, but EVERYTHING else they tell us is true is it?

;)

re-think, because the programme has you if you dont.

But isnt that just an excuse to fantasise about anything without ever having to justify it or rationalise it? a buddhist will say the world is an illusion but only from the point of view of its impermenance and changability.

[marpat]

oooh, getting personal now eh? no matter how many ;):)

:eek:

my point is that how can anyone of us know what is true and what isn't? We can believe the grey beards or not, it isn't important, because whatever apparent facts wer are fed through the educational programme are all filtered through others ego's.

Nothing we feel that we know about the universe can be varified through our own understanding - we rely on being told the truth and that truth may be wrong, whether intentionally or not.

i know for a fact that the human mind can appreciate an illusion and believe what it is told to believe. Hypnotists use their skill to coerce someone to believe that they are eating an apple when they are eating an onion. the illusion is just that, a mind fuck - and how deep that mind fuck goes is the question that leads me to ask, how can anyone of us know the truth of something that we have no way to assertain for ourselves?

If we do not know what is or is not true, or lack the ability to know such things then how can Icke be exposing it all if it is all illusory and unprovable? can you prove there is a mind fuck going on or is it just an illusory perception on your behalf?

[erthiz]

If "they" wanted to put out a movie to soften people up to the idea of a top secret "hollow moon spaceship", they would have chosen an established director to do it. And if that was their intention, it wouldn't be secret any more, would it?

Can I have some of what you're smoking, please?

They put it in the films so when someone comes out and says, for example, "i saw the alien from Star Wars yesterday in my back garden"... how much more insane do they sound?

[dreamweaver]

my point is that how can anyone of us know what is true and what isn't?

This kind of argument might be appropriate in a philosophy class (it is essentially correct) but it won't do in the real world.

Once again, it is not a basis for believing any old bollocks just because you would like it to be true.

[dreamweaver]

Right, I think I'll go to the off licence and buy some beer with some buttons. When the shopkeeper says, "I'm not accepting those, they are not money," I'll reply, "But you can't prove they're not money."

That is sure to work, isn't it? ;)

[jamesc]

the moon undoubtedly has a physiological and sociological effect on the human system, and indeed the word lunatic has been derived from reactive accounts shown in individuals when the moon is full.

Science tells us that the moon has an effect on the ocean’s tides, and such can be recorded during the moons cycles, that it has an energetic effect on the worlds sea’s, varaiantly pushing and pulling to effect the worlds tidal patterns. The moon may also affect the water and liquid crystalline basis of the human physical suit, and has been shown to have a direct correlation with mood swings etc.

Of course the moon affects us, sometimes in measurable accounts, as can be attributed to the female’s moon cycles and divisory through 13 cycles per year, perfectly reflecting the season as a balanced measure.

On a subtle level the moon is a hugely powerful energetic frequency overseeing much of humanities unconscious nature as well as a prime marker of the world’s planetary changes.

So given that it governs so much, both on subtle and physical levels, it clearly is a major player in the matrix philosophy.

All that we see, understand and feel are aspects of the matrix, this world is fully immersed in the matrix, and it is only human consciousness that has the ability to see beyond the illusory aspects that play out around us. The draconian / reptilians are also a part of the basic matrix programme, the Agent smith of the programme.

I’m looking forward to reading the book, and looking forward to how David portrays this theory in conjunction to what he has written before.


Very good points there Merlincove, i have done some research on the moons influence on the human subtle and physical levels from an Occult perspective and in this perspective the moon is anything but a lifeless cold lump of rock.Indeed my reading of the occult and its connections to all humanity's physical,mental and spiritual vibrational frequencies paints the picture of a very different moon that most people take for granted through the main streams scientific perceptions.For this reason i await eagerly to what David is saying and i for one would not rule out all possibilities that David is closer to the real reality and purpose of this so called lump of rock.

When you look at this possibility through occult eyes then you really see and perceive a whole new approach and kick start an entirely new set of perceptions.In the occult terminology and understanding of the moons place and function in the occult it makes a lot of sense and its no accident that the moon is attributed to and heavily manipulates perceptions, dreams and the illusionary world of the astral plane and the physical body's double the etheric body.:cool:

[wonderfullife]

This kind of argument might be appropriate in a philosophy class (it is essentially correct) but it won't do in the real world.

Once again, it is not a basis for believing any old bollocks just because you would like it to be true.

What real world? What is real?
As david says it's all an illusion for human programming.
Debate science demand proof well there is proof but not what we have been programmed to see as proof.
We have to see through the illusion to see the reality.

[erthiz]

Right, I think I'll go to the off licence and buy some beer with some buttons. When the shopkeeper says, "I'm not accepting those, they are not money," I'll reply, "But you can't prove they're not money."

That is sure to work, isn't it? ;)

Who is this aimed at? :D

[marpat]

What real world? What is real?
As david says it's all an illusion for human programming.
Debate science demand proof well there is proof but not what we have been programmed to see as proof.
We have to see through the illusion to see the reality.

So if somebody comes up to you later and hacks your arms off will you then convince yourself that it never really happened?

David is just re-labelling ancient ideas. Nothing new in what he says, he has just stolen from ancient teachings and gave them technological labels

[hawks29]

Did darketernal not mention this a few months ago. I'm pretty sure that he said the moon is not a natural thing and that it was made of metal....

i thought he was talking bollox at the time like....

[merlincove]

If we do not know what is or is not true, or lack the ability to know such things then how can Icke be exposing it all if it is all illusory and unprovable? can you prove there is a mind fuck going on or is it just an illusory perception on your behalf?

a mind fuck is evident when we view certain aspects of history and their official stories.

i am not saying that i believe that the moon is a siolid lump of rock, or that i believe it is a hollow space ship, or even that it isn't cheese, because ultimately i have no way of knowing what it is, but i do know what others believe it is from their works.

i'm not going to judge this book, or the theories within it until i have read it. People judged David before, and he says himself that there was a time when he couldn't walk down a street without people laughing, and yet david gave solid account if his reptillian theory in his books and went a long way toward showing how the reptilian agenda had a tangable essense - a documented account of his findings is there for all to see.

People are discounting David without even having read what he is saying, and that is unfair.

Nothin is clear cut, and we do not know anything that is beyond our limited perception for sure. We can research a theory that we have, which is what scientists have been doing for hundreds of years, and we can then publish our findings. And if we choose to believe those findings then we are in effect believing someone elses theory.

if you are happy with your reality and the picture you are watching that is fine by me, but i for one prefer to look at all the evidence and then make my own mind up rather than discard evidence that runs contrary to the programme that TPTB have tried to instal into my mind.

[merlincove]

This kind of argument might be appropriate in a philosophy class (it is essentially correct) but it won't do in the real world.

Once again, it is not a basis for believing any old bollocks just because you would like it to be true.

but it is a basis for an open mind rather than a state programmed one :D

it isn't a case of what i would like to be true, but a case that one thing resonates and one thing doesn't.

i dont care whether the moon is flat, round, hollow or whole, an illussion, a hologram, made of metal, cheese, rock or bollox - i simply believe that it is best to absorb every aspect of thinking in any given regard and then shape an understanding from that conglomerate research, what's wrong in that?

[dreamweaver]

What real world? What is real?
As david says it's all an illusion for human programming.
Debate science demand proof well there is proof but not what we have been programmed to see as proof.
We have to see through the illusion to see the reality.

Blah blah blah, "you can't prove what is real" therefore any old bollocks is real if it's what you want to believe.

This is kindergarten stuff, really it is. Do you have any basis for your belief apart from "what is real"?

[marpat]

a mind fuck is evident when we view certain aspects of history and their official stories.

i am not saying that i believe that the moon is a siolid lump of rock, or that i believe it is a hollow space ship, or even that it isn't cheese, because ultimately i have no way of knowing what it is, but i do know what others believe it is from their works.

i'm not going to judge this book, or the theories within it until i have read it. People judged David before, and he says himself that there was a time when he couldn't walk down a street without people laughing, and yet david gave solid account if his reptillian theory in his books and went a long way toward showing how the reptilian agenda had a tangable essense - a documented account of his findings is there for all to see.

People are discounting David without even having read what he is saying, and that is unfair.

Nothin is clear cut, and we do not know anything that is beyond our limited perception for sure. We can research a theory that we have, which is what scientists have been doing for hundreds of years, and we can then publish our findings. And if we choose to believe those findings then we are in effect believing someone elses theory.

if you are happy with your reality and the picture you are watching that is fine by me, but i for one prefer to look at all the evidence and then make my own mind up rather than discard evidence that runs contrary to the programme that TPTB have tried to instal into my mind.

How do you know it is evident? perhaps the whole idea of being free and conscious is an illusion

You claim to look at evidence but there is none to prove Ickes recent claims. I dont think the world is as it seems, having been into magical stuff for a long time now, but this does not mean I just buy into anything. I am happy to look at interesting ideas, concepts and working models but I stop short at actually believing there is any truth in them until it is clearly evident. I guess that is why I seem sceptical, I can look at these things without feeling any compulsion to buy into them because I like the writer. Finding something interesting and believing in it are not the same.

[marpat]

but it is a basis for an open mind rather than a state programmed one :D

it isn't a case of what i would like to be true, but a case that one thing resonates and one thing doesn't.

i dont care whether the moon is flat, round, hollow or whole, an illussion, a hologram, made of metal, cheese, rock or bollox - i simply believe that it is best to absorb every aspect of thinking in any given regard and then shape an understanding from that conglomerate research, what's wrong in that?

Does that include the official levels of thinking about the moon as well or arer they disgarded? many people in here are happy to believe anything unusualy but to dump anything which sounds a bit too normal.

[wonderfullife]

So if somebody comes up to you later and hacks your arms off will you then convince yourself that it never really happened?

David is just re-labelling ancient ideas. Nothing new in what he says, he has just stolen from ancient teachings and gave them technological labels

For goodness sake if that was to happen one cannot convince oneself that loosing a limb did not happen due to the programming we are subjected to and the DNA genetic codes etc.
Accusing somebody of stealing well that is not called for.
He has not stolen anything from anyone he researches and connects the dots.
If you do not agree with him that is your choice but don't start berating david just on one up man ship.

[dreamweaver]

but it is a basis for an open mind rather than a state programmed one :D

So I have to believe that the moon is hollow otherwise I have been programmed by the state. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:

i simply believe that it is best to absorb every aspect of thinking in any given regard and then shape an understanding from that conglomerate research, what's wrong in that?

I've given you several links to scientific papers which establish the basis for the theory that the moon has a crust, mantle and core, based on measurements of its gravitational field, magnetic field, its influence on orbiting probes etc.

Now what is the basis for your hollow earth belief other than empty platitudes like "ooh, I've got an open mind, I have" and "ah, but what is real"?

[dreamweaver]

Did darketernal not mention this a few months ago. I'm pretty sure that he said the moon is not a natural thing and that it was made of metal....

i thought he was talking bollox at the time like....

He also said that he was a former assassin for the Brotherhood and he also had a different version of events than the DIF's "official story" on why he and several other moderators left this board.

Is his version of events any less valid than the official story? We're all open minded here, after all...

[dusthead]

Actually david ickes use of the matrix comes from the film. Ask him, he gained many followers who believe they live in the matrix as it is portrayed in a FILM.

Bizarrely this is often true [about the followers]. Am I the only one here who thinks The Matrix is not half as clever as it thinks it is?

The Matrix is very glossy indeed. I would wager many people have been suckered by cool threads, rockin' toons, fast cars and huge fuck off guns. With Kung Foo and bitchin 'laydeez.

I can see why it's appealing to think you are Neo, cruising around the internet righting wrongs and battling Agent Smith but you may as well be Captain Kirk or Batman.