How could the infinite be trapped?

[joss classey]

Something which has been niggling me the past couple of days. Icke speaks of fear starting as a ripple leaving the lake of the infinite and forgetting who it was. But surely the infinite can't be 'dissected'. How could the infinite be trapped?

I'm quite confused right now

[tejas]

Yea, we are dealing with very complex things, especially when talking about infinity!

I'm not so sure exactly, but hopefully ickes new research will shed some light on whats going on!

[rossus]

everything written below, i don't believe. it's just some thought popping into my brain (inspired by Advaita Vedanta Philosophy).
in reality, i believe and know nothing

the infinite takes many forms,
woman, man, big, small, black,
white, yin, yang, friendly, scary,
organic life or "dead rock in space".

but in essence, it's all the same infinite.
everything made of the one basic energy.

it's not because the form we (the infinite) get expressed in,
is through a physical body subject to pain, fear and death (the limited).
that we are trapped.

if we were a rock we wouldn't sit here thinking we are trapped.
the form we get expressed in, is one where there is a individual consciousness...

the body looks with it's eyes, it feels with it's nerves, it thinks with it's neurons.
the body thinks it is alive... but it is only artificial intelligence.
this artificial intelligence sees only itself (and all the other forms of artificial intelligence) as alive, and all the other stuff as dead (rocks, etc.)

but in fact, all artificial intelligence is dead as well.
... that which is really alive is something else.

the real life... is the energy that gives the artificial intelligence the power to believe that what it experience is real.
that which the artificial intelligence experience as real, is an illusion.

the infinite doesn't ever get trapped. only the artificial intelligence (that thinks it is alive) is under the impression it is trapped.
and it is rightly so, because it has to keep itself alive.

on planet earth, everyday is a struggle for life...
trying to find food to fuel the body,
trying to not get eaten by others trying to find food to fuel their body.

life on earth isn't like heaven for a lot of creatures,
and we are one of them.
the good news is... what we believe to be real, isn't real.

we imagine that we ourselves are suffering, but it is only a program that is doing what it is programmed for.
eyes giving feedback to brain, nerves giving feedback to brain.
brain decodes information as Visual Reality, as Pain Reality, as Pleasure Reality...


he who thinks himself is real, experience himself as real.
he who thinks that pain is real, experience pain as real.
but he who knows that he is not his body, not his thoughts... knows the pain is not real. so he doesn't suffer from it.

only the body suffers, because it thinks it is alive.
it thinks it's all real. if it wouldn't, it wouldn't survive.


so in a sense, we are trapped and we are not trapped.
if you think you are this body, you are trapped.
if you know you are not this body, you are free.

how to know you are not this body?
a long story not easily explained.
one bad short description might be...

investigate where the I-feeling comes from...
become aware of that that is aware of thoughts.
become aware of that that is aware of feelings.

when you succeed, you will find out that the one that is aware is awareness.
and this awareness is you, so you are awareness.

like the driver of a car can only drive in the direction he wants to once he has found the steering wheel,
only the (wo)man who has found out (s)he is awareness can choose what to give awareness to.

so once you know that you are awareness, you can choose to put your awareness on yourself.
when you do that, you are looking at the real...

you are no longer betrayed by the processes of the brain...
you are being aware of yourself and experience yourself no longer as the prisoner of a body...
but as infinite love & eternal peace.

[joss classey]

i think i can definitely see what you mean with the awareness thing

it's just recently my mind has been going really deep into possibility and it is doing no good other than to over complicate and confuse. it is the barrier for raw awareness

thanks for your words. they have helped :-)

[phoebe]

Something which has been niggling me the past couple of days. Icke speaks of fear starting as a ripple leaving the lake of the infinite and forgetting who it was. But surely the infinite can't be 'dissected'. How could the infinite be trapped?

I'm quite confused right now

The infinite can't be 'dissected'
BUT...
The illusion of dissection can be
Made manifest via ego.
That is the mechanism that makes you
Think you are separate from everything else.
It is the ego that fears
Because it is scared of its own ultimate death.
Everything is of god/oneness.
Therefore ego/fear is of god/oneness
Because there is nothing that is not god.
The infinite is therefore only 'trapped' within itself
Therefore not trapped at all
But rather playing a rather fantastic
'Game' with itself...
It sets the mechanism for forgetting what it is (ego/fear/separation)
Then, when dissected into these myriad parts
Tries by experience to solve the puzzle
And remember what it is (awaken/enlightenment).

edited to say:
I disagree with Icke (oh no! sorry tin et al, but what can ya do?)
If he did say that fear 'left the lake of the infinite'.
(Or was that your paraphrasing joss?)
Because nothing leaves the infinite.
If something could leave the infinite
It must mean that there is something else
OTHER than the infinite in which to leave it TO
Which is obviously ridiculous.
Because the infinite is all that is.
Including fear.

[geo2]

:cool: Traveling around a-while-back with old JC and we were in a wise-ass situation and JC just told the smart-asses that He was putting a 'cap' on this 'Eternity' { sort of like a Thread being 'locked' } as that He/JC could out-do any of their 'wise-ass-shit', so 'it' was over/done/finished...............Infinity

Hail Penelopee !