Will this thread be locked????

[bemore]

Will this thread be locked?????

Given what I have seen and through communications off this forum with other members I guess it will be.

Firstly let me say I am not dissing David Icke in any way, I think he is a very brave man for how he has conducted his life and through his work I believe he probably has changed a lot of peoples views on the world.

Let me cut straight to the chase. Since news of Davids new book has arisen certain threads and posts have been removed that GO AGAINST Mr Icke. Given the subject matter and what is discussed every day here on this site I am very very surprised and the feeling in my heart is I AM SUSPICIOUS of why.

So David wants to advertise his new work to the people who come here, on the site that he built and runs. That is more than his right. But If I word myself against him in a certain way then my posts will be removed and I will get warnings (not me personally but people i know).

So any BAD IDEAS/VIEWS are basicly not tolerated. So where is the freedom of speech here????? Surely the mods are not that worried that people will turn ultra sheep and believe the negative comments that will then in turn stop books being sold?????

I dont want to disrupt and I say that this is my view only but I get the feeling after using this site for the time I have and what control I have seen put over it that...............

This site Is just a way of people to make money. David expresses himself in talks and in his books and on dvd but he never EVER that I know come on here and converse with anybody on what we discuss.

Thats because whatever he says would be rembered and possibly used against him in the future (my feelings)

David Icke to me feels like it is turning into a brand.

[brainfreeze]

Apparently David has nothing to do with the forum and didn't even want it. Sean runs it. You're not allowed to post anything negative about Icke on his own forum is what Sean told me in a pm.

It's censorship which boarders on this being nowt more than a PR board for Ickes books/works. Most news sites censor comments in the same way. We're not allowed to question or mention as much (read the site rules). So we accept it and play happy puppets. Fair enough.

Perhaps this is why the forum is getting bunged up with more and more toilet discussions?

But your post?

It'll be gone soon.

PS Sean this is not critism but truth.

[gallifrey]

I have yet to encounter that of which you speak, but I shall remain vigilant and attentive, and watch how things unfold.

This will be interesting.

[size_of_light]

So where is the freedom of speech here?????

It's a forum not a free speech zone.

I don't care what you do or say here but why are you surprised that if you go onto somebody's official website and slag that person off there's a chance your posts might get deleted?

You must have written some crazy things for that to happen since there are dozens of people here who only come on to do exactly that and their posts haven't been removed.

I don't understand the mentality myself - you want to criticse the guy BUT YOU ONLY WANT TO DO IT ON HIS OWN FORUM.

Go round to your friends house, take a shit on the middle of the living room floor, whine about your right to freedom of expression and see how far that gets you.

[brainfreeze]

And why do we, who say we oppose tyranny and demand freedom of speech, allow people to go to prison and be vilified, and magazines to be closed down on the spot, for suggesting another version of history. - David Icke


I believe that the human race has developed a form of collective schizophrenia in which we are not only the slaves to this imposed thought behavior, but we are also the police force of it. - David Icke

[gallifrey]

It's a forum not a free speech zone.

I don't care what you do or say here but why are you surprised that if you go onto somebody's official website and slag that person off there's a chance your posts might get deleted?

You must have written some crazy things for that to happen since there are dozens of people here who only come on to do exactly that and there posts haven't been removed.

I don't understand the mentality myself - you want to criticse the guy BUT YOU ONLY WANT TO DO IT ON HIS OWN FORUM.

Go round to your friends house, take a shit on the middle of the living room floor, whine about your right to freedom of expression and see how far that gets you.

Yes, I kind of agree. Hence the first post I made. I have not seen any evidence of posts/comments being removed for being in anyway disparaging to Mr Icke's work. And if that were to occur, I would be most surprised, unless it was excessively inflammatory and accusatory in any way, which I would understand.

I would contend however, that all forums are about exercising some degree of freedom of speech, and none more so than this forum. It is the perfect place for people to air their views and opinions, obviously bearing in mind the implications and consequences of what they say.

Trolling, however, is also a part of free speech, and do no more damage than stir up the hornet's nest. It would be far better to ignore such people, rather than engage them in a slanging match.

[wolfhead]

Well, it is does say David Icke.com on the header so I guess he has a right to shut up negative people. I would to!

I'm a big, big fan of Icke's but I do wish he'd shut up about the damn lizards. I'm sure he's onto something there - but please - discuss it with the inner circle only as it puts potential recruits off.

[decode reality]

It's a forum not a free speech zone.

I don't care what you do or say here but why are you surprised that if you go onto somebody's official website and slag that person off there's a chance your posts might get deleted?

You must have written some crazy things for that to happen since there are dozens of people here who only come on to do exactly that and there posts haven't been removed.

I don't understand the mentality myself - you want to criticse the guy BUT YOU ONLY WANT TO DO IT ON HIS OWN FORUM.

Go round to your friends house, take a shit on the middle of the living room floor, whine about your right to freedom of expression and see how far that gets you.

I hate to say this, Size of Light, but this kind of reaction in many ways only serves to vindicate the OP's misgivings.

Nowhere at all I did I get the feeling that he was advocating anything that was anywhere near tantamount to "taking a shit on the middle of a friend's living room floor".

If a person is writing a book about the state of the world, then surely we citizens of the world have a right to either praise, disagree or agree with what is written.

I greatly respect David Icke's work. but what has he always said? It's an interim report, the work he does. And I've also heard him say that if people are accepting EVERYTHING he says without question, then they are missing the point.

[gallifrey]

I hate to say this, Size of Light, but this kind of reaction in many ways only serves to vindicate the OP's misgivings.

Nowhere at all I did I get the feeling that he was advocating anything that was anywhere near tantamount to "taking a shit on the middle of a friend's living room floor".

If a person is writing a book about the state of the world, then surely we citizens of the world have a right to either praise, disagree or agree with what is written.

I greatly respect David Icke's work. but what has he always said? It's an interim report, the work he does. And I've also heard him say that if people are accepting EVERYTHING he says without question, then they are missing the point.

Nicely put. :)

[brainfreeze]

I believe that people have a right to believe, to read, and have access to all information, so that they can then make up their own minds what to think. If something is a nonsense, and if something doesn't stand up, it will be shown to be a nonsense in the spotlight of the public. - David Icke

[darryl84]

Why, why, why do you have to moan about things? If you dont like it, you dont have to post! There are plenty other forums on the internet you can use! lol :)

Some people will question your motives, not me. ;)

[size_of_light]

I hate to say this, Size of Light, but this kind of reaction in many ways only serves to vindicate the OP's misgivings.

Nowhere at all I did I get the feeling that he was advocating anything that was anywhere near tantamount to "taking a shit on the middle of a friend's living room floor".

If a person is writing a book about the state of the world, then surely we citizens of the world have a right to either praise, disagree or agree with what is written.

I greatly respect David Icke's work. but what has he always said? It's an interim report, the work he does. And I've also heard him say that if people are accepting EVERYTHING he says without question, then they are missing the point.

I'm not connecting this to you at all decode, but there's a real childish mentality with a number of people on this forum who seem to in a constant state of war with the moderators on the one hand, while treating them like substitute parents on the other, always bitching and whining and pissing and moaning about things the other boys and girls said and did that were naughty and that they don't like. And they want Mommy or Daddy to 'do something about it!' I've been a moderator and I've seen it at the coalface and it's pathetic.

Use the ignore function if you can't stand other people or their views instead of 'Reporting' them to the teacher, modify the things you say if you keep getting wrapped over the knuckles by Admin for going outside the guidlelines or PISS OFF and say what you want to say elsewhere.

Sorry, but I don't understand why this is an ongoing issue.

How old are we all?

Are people fantasising about a mass popular uprising on the Icke forum that brings about a complete rewrite of the Moderation Guidleines and heralds the dawn of greater freedom of expression across the entire planet?

It's-a-forum.

Icke-has-nothing-to-do-with-it.

It-has-guidelines.

Stray-outside-those-guidelines-and-a-human-being-volunteering-to-moderate-the-forum-who-has-their-own-individual-opinions-on-issues-and-makes-their-own-judgement-calls-which-can-sometimes-be-erroneous-ones-might-say-something-to-you-or-issue-infraction-points.

It really shouldn't be a difficult concept for anyone to grasp.

[dark86]

Will this thread be locked?????

Given what I have seen and through communications off this forum with other members I guess it will be.

Firstly let me say I am not dissing David Icke in any way, I think he is a very brave man for how he has conducted his life and through his work I believe he probably has changed a lot of peoples views on the world.

Let me cut straight to the chase. Since news of Davids new book has arisen certain threads and posts have been removed that GO AGAINST Mr Icke. Given the subject matter and what is discussed every day here on this site I am very very surprised and the feeling in my heart is I AM SUSPICIOUS of why.

So David wants to advertise his new work to the people who come here, on the site that he built and runs. That is more than his right. But If I word myself against him in a certain way then my posts will be removed and I will get warnings (not me personally but people i know).

So any BAD IDEAS/VIEWS are basicly not tolerated. So where is the freedom of speech here????? Surely the mods are not that worried that people will turn ultra sheep and believe the negative comments that will then in turn stop books being sold?????

I dont want to disrupt and I say that this is my view only but I get the feeling after using this site for the time I have and what control I have seen put over it that...............

This site Is just a way of people to make money. David expresses himself in talks and in his books and on dvd but he never EVER that I know come on here and converse with anybody on what we discuss.

Thats because whatever he says would be rembered and possibly used against him in the future (my feelings)

David Icke to me feels like it is turning into a brand.

completely agree, i posted my fears about a book Theorising that the moon is a spaceship for £20, and people looking for reviews as though it is a novel - then i got points, thread locked etc from the "brand police."

im worried, seriously......

[size_of_light]

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zwyzb4.jpg

[brainfreeze]

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zwyzb4.jpg

Is this not a form of trolling?

[size_of_light]

Is this not a form of trolling?

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zwyzb4.jpg

[dark86]

i don't understand ur point with the photo?

lots of newly awakened are open and look to icke as someone to follow - a police state forum and expensive payments for theorising is really not the way...FACT.

[brainfreeze]

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zwyzb4.jpg

Thanks for confirming.

How old are you? 10?

[size_of_light]

Thanks for confirming.

How old are you? 10?

11.

[brainfreeze]

11.


Far too young to wank, so what I'm thinking is not true just yet :p

[size_of_light]

i don't understand ur point with the photo?

lots of newly awakened are open and look to icke as someone to follow - a police state forum and expensive payments for theorising is really not the way...FACT.

My point is your whining about somethig beyond your control.

The Conspiritainment subforum doesn't exist anymore so that's probably why your post went too.

Apart from that - why are you surprised that Icke's Official Forum wants to present his new book in the best possible light when it first comes out?

Don't get it dude.

I think some of you don't understand this yourselves but you feel like you're having a defacto relationship with Icke himself by trying to get his attention making comments here about him or the Admin.

a police state forum and expensive payments for theorising is really not the way...FACT.

So why not post this somewhere outside the police state forum you think it is?

Simple answer - you know it isn't one and you're just trying to get attention.

Hence the baby photo.

[size_of_light]

Far too young to wank, so what I'm thinking is not true just yet :p

I've read that a few times and I still can't figure out the insult.

Far too young to wank, i.e. ejaculate.

So what I'm thinking is not true just yet.

...That second part is the bit I'm having trouble with.

It's gotta be something to do with ejaculating somewhere that you think I might ejaculate.

It must be a gay insult or a bestiality thing...am I even close?

[brainfreeze]

I've read that a few times and I still can't figure out the insult.

Far too young to wank, i.e. ejaculate.

So what I'm thinking is not true just yet.

...That second part is the bit I'm having trouble with.

It's gotta be something to do with ejaculating somewhere that you think I might ejaculate.

It must be a gay insult or a bestiality thing...am I even close?

Nah!

[elo_zorn]

The Icke forum should welcome constructive critism, no matter how damning it may be...is it a fan club, or a forum? Rather than "talking behind his back" on other forums, what better place to address issues than his own forum full of members and moderators with at least a general knowlege of his work? How can he critize lack of free speech, when his own website supports it?

The mods do let a lot slide in the realm of critiques of David, but any concrete adverse info against the guy is always quickly dealt with...such as the fact that Icke's "Freedom Foundation" is hosted by the IHC; a tax-exempt/non-profit group, something Icke has exposed in his own books as a tool to fund "New World Order" projects. And guess who is one of the biggest contributers to this IHC...the Rockefellers! The Rockefeller's donate millions (collectively) to the IHC directly (Laurence Rockefeller) and through groups such as Tides Foundation and the Philanthropic Collaborative, an off shoot of the Philanthropy Advisers, which is a non-profit offshoot of Rockefeller Financial Services.

Using Icke's own words: "But I am saying that Laurance Rockefeller, who also finances UFO "research,” does not pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to fund an outcome that doesn't suit him. The Rockefellers are 100% Illuminati." No kidding!

I'd love to hear Icke's response to how he is exempt from this corruption, when the IHC has such obvious ties to the Rockefellers. Tricky tricky...

[size_of_light]

Nah!

PM me if you like - good insults are wasted when they fly over the other person's head.

[brainfreeze]

PM me if you like - good insults are wasted when they fly over the other person's head.

I like you. I thought you might take it as a friendly dig. Others round here who are gunning for me would hit the report button :p

[nirvana]

Will this thread be locked?????

Given what I have seen and through communications off this forum with other members I guess it will be.

Firstly let me say I am not dissing David Icke in any way, I think he is a very brave man for how he has conducted his life and through his work I believe he probably has changed a lot of peoples views on the world.

Let me cut straight to the chase. Since news of Davids new book has arisen certain threads and posts have been removed that GO AGAINST Mr Icke. Given the subject matter and what is discussed every day here on this site I am very very surprised and the feeling in my heart is I AM SUSPICIOUS of why.

So David wants to advertise his new work to the people who come here, on the site that he built and runs. That is more than his right. But If I word myself against him in a certain way then my posts will be removed and I will get warnings (not me personally but people i know).

So any BAD IDEAS/VIEWS are basicly not tolerated. So where is the freedom of speech here????? Surely the mods are not that worried that people will turn ultra sheep and believe the negative comments that will then in turn stop books being sold?????

I dont want to disrupt and I say that this is my view only but I get the feeling after using this site for the time I have and what control I have seen put over it that...............

This site Is just a way of people to make money. David expresses himself in talks and in his books and on dvd but he never EVER that I know come on here and converse with anybody on what we discuss.

Thats because whatever he says would be rembered and possibly used against him in the future (my feelings)

David Icke to me feels like it is turning into a brand.


If you owned a nike shop and someone started putting addidas posters outside you would not like it.:rolleyes:

[elo_zorn]

If you owned a nike shop and someone started putting addidas posters outside you would not like it.:rolleyes:

The OP was not talking about spamming by advertising, they're talking about critism.

[size_of_light]

I like you. I thought you might take it as a friendly dig. Others round here who are gunning for me would hit the report button :p

Thanks for the pm, as I told you there, I'm bloody embarassed I couldn't figure out the insult because it was pretty straightforward :p

[nirvana]

I hate to say this, Size of Light, but this kind of reaction in many ways only serves to vindicate the OP's misgivings.

Nowhere at all I did I get the feeling that he was advocating anything that was anywhere near tantamount to "taking a shit on the middle of a friend's living room floor".

If a person is writing a book about the state of the world, then surely we citizens of the world have a right to either praise, disagree or agree with what is written.

I greatly respect David Icke's work. but what has he always said? It's an interim report, the work he does. And I've also heard him say that if people are accepting EVERYTHING he says without question, then they are missing the point.

Agree there decode reality.

Truth warriors question all sides. There are too many david icke groupies around . David could tell the groupies the moon is made out of cheese and they would believe it.

Questioning what david says does not mean we do not have respect for him.

If we just believe without question then we are just sheeple:rolleyes:

[bemore]

Mr Icke points out that TPTB are controlling us in every way possible, so with the work he is doing he is basicly trying to reveal the truth to everybody. So he is using his FREEDOM OF SPEECH which is partially granted to us over in the uk.

Wether or not he advocated this forum the fact is it exists and we all use it to discuss everything, not just conspiracy. We come here because we are part of a community that believes that everything is not what it seems and we feel at HOME because we are with people who feel and believe the same as us.

In a way it is our SANCTUARY.

So when in a place where we feel is the only place we can speak without everyone else ridiculing us our views are removed, our thoughts and feelings are censored, so its bound to piss some people off.

On the second post of this thread BrainFreeze said this

"Apparently David has nothing to do with the forum and didn't even want it. Sean runs it. You're not allowed to post anything negative about Icke on his own forum is what Sean told me in a pm."

So this is not the David Icke forum at all it is the SEAN forum. Sorry to put your words on the spot brainfreeze.

Im not being mardy, I dont want to be banned but then again im gonna have my say. I will allways have my say in a fair way, I wont be abusive or racist or anything so what is wrong with that?????

[binkbonk]

Will this thread be locked?????

Don't flatter yourself.

[nicolaj]

I believe that people have a right to believe, to read, and have access to all information, so that they can then make up their own minds what to think. If something is a nonsense, and if something doesn't stand up, it will be shown to be a nonsense in the spotlight of the public. - David Icke

:D


like the sig

[bemore]

Don't flatter yourself.

Im not trying to flatter myself. Im just raising a point I feel is important.

[elo_zorn]

I believe that people have a right to believe, to read, and have access to all information, so that they can then make up their own minds what to think. If something is a nonsense, and if something doesn't stand up, it will be shown to be a nonsense in the spotlight of the public. - David Icke

It's really too bad that his own stance on the subject isn't applied to his own forum...

[brainfreeze]

Mr Icke points out that TPTB are controlling us in every way possible, so with the work he is doing he is basicly trying to reveal the truth to everybody. So he is using his FREEDOM OF SPEECH which is partially granted to us over in the uk.

Wether or not he advocated this forum the fact is it exists and we all use it to discuss everything, not just conspiracy. We come here because we are part of a community that believes that everything is not what it seems and we feel at HOME because we are with people who feel and believe the same as us.

In a way it is our SANCTUARY.

So when in a place where we feel is the only place we can speak without everyone else ridiculing us our views are removed, our thoughts and feelings are censored, so its bound to piss some people off.

On the second post of this thread BrainFreeze said this

"Apparently David has nothing to do with the forum and didn't even want it. Sean runs it. You're not allowed to post anything negative about Icke on his own forum is what Sean told me in a pm."

So this is not the David Icke forum at all it is the SEAN forum. Sorry to put your words on the spot brainfreeze.

Im not being mardy, I dont want to be banned but then again im gonna have my say. I will allways have my say in a fair way, I wont be abusive or racist or anything so what is wrong with that?????

Sorry I should clarify. Apparently David didn't want a forum, Sean did. David agreed to let Sean run this forum on the David Icke site. That I found out somewhere else. What Sean pm'd me was about what we can't post. Nothing negative.

[bemore]

Simple answer - you know it isn't one and you're just trying to get attention.


Yes Im trying to bring attention to the fact that you have to be carefull about what you say over some 700 pieces of paper.

Which leads to question wether this forum is here to help people attain something near the truth or to plug selected items.

[binkbonk]

Im not trying to flatter myself. Im just raising a point I feel is important.Well, I posted this thread 1 1/2 years ago and it still hasn't been locked; http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45280

It is definitely more inflammatory than you would believe is acceptable.

[bemore]

Sorry I should clarify. Apparently David didn't want a forum, Sean did. David agreed to let Sean run this forum on the David Icke site. That I found out somewhere else. What Sean pm'd me was about what we can't post. Nothing negative.

Thanks BrainFreeze : )

[bemore]

Well, I posted this thread 1 1/2 years ago and it still hasn't been locked; http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45280

It is definitely more inflammatory than you would believe is acceptable.

I dont think you have Directly accused Mr Icke in your thread that he is using Illuminati symbols for bad purposes. I think you were raising valid points on what is on the cover.

It looks like its a good thread, I notice Keystone there pushing his views across at you, Ive not seem him on here for awhile.

Was anything removed from your thread???? Because if it was then I would see what relevance it would have to the arguement of people having there comments removed.

[dark86]

ok ,we can write about:

satanic ritual.
sacrifice.
illegal wars.
mind control.
manipulation of the human race.

we can't write about:

anything negative about a new £20 book theorising about the moon being a spaceship full of aliens.


let us have some perspective here....:confused:

[binkbonk]

I dont think you have Directly accused Mr Icke in your thread that he is using Illuminati symbols for bad purposes. I think you were raising valid points on what is on the cover.

It looks like its a good thread, I notice Keystone there pushing his views across at you, Ive not seem him on here for awhile.

Was anything removed from your thread???? Because if it was then I would see what relevance it would have to the arguement of people having there comments removed.As far as I know nothing was removed, and I still have not satisfied my suspicions about di's logo.

At some point all this "search for the truth, hidden knowledge, Illuminati expose'" becomes a full circle tail chase. I've come to believe that nobody is telling the truth, and if they are, then they don't have all the answers anyway. I believe that almost all the leaders of this cause (ie; Alex Jones, David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, etc) are just "Controlled Opposition". Because, after all, if you want to control the dissent you must lead the dissent.

It's quite demoralizing because, when I first set out on my search for the truth I thought I would be able to obtain it. But what has happened is that I've basically lost hope in satisfying that quest.

I have however found a few beacons of light in this maelstrom of deceit. Eustace Mullins comes to mind.

[decode reality]

I'm not connecting this to you at all decode, but there's a real childish mentality with a number of people on this forum who seem to in a constant state of war with the moderators on the one hand, while treating them like substitute parents on the other, always bitching and whining and pissing and moaning about things the other boys and girls said and did that were naughty and that they don't like. And they want Mommy or Daddy to 'do something about it!' I've been a moderator and I've seen it at the coalface and it's pathetic.

Use the ignore function if you can't stand other people or their views instead of 'Reporting' them to the teacher, modify the things you say if you keep getting wrapped over the knuckles by Admin for going outside the guidlelines or PISS OFF and say what you want to say elsewhere.

Sorry, but I don't understand why this is an ongoing issue.

How old are we all?

Are people fantasising about a mass popular uprising on the Icke forum that brings about a complete rewrite of the Moderation Guidleines and heralds the dawn of greater freedom of expression across the entire planet?

It's-a-forum.

Icke-has-nothing-to-do-with-it.

It-has-guidelines.

Stray-outside-those-guidelines-and-a-human-being-volunteering-to-moderate-the-forum-who-has-their-own-individual-opinions-on-issues-and-makes-their-own-judgement-calls-which-can-sometimes-be-erroneous-ones-might-say-something-to-you-or-issue-infraction-points.

It really shouldn't be a difficult concept for anyone to grasp.

Cheers Size of Light.

I can understand the need for a certain 'etiquette' or respect of others on the forum, i.e. when things begin kicking off with personal insults.

My only disagreement is that even if David Icke doesn't endorse the forum, this place is everything to do with his work, and the similar work being done by others.

I can point to several researchers who have contributed to my learning. But I want to be free to question anyone who's teaching me anything. Obviously if it reaches the point where I don't feel they have nothing else to show me, I can either stay and dispute or I can go elsewhere.

I think in giving respect to the truth researchers, we have to retain the freedom to say 'No, that isn't right - I don't agree', no matter how brilliant and eye-opening their work is. We knock the world of religion because the ability to do that is taken away. We need to be careful that we don't turn 'conspiracy researchers' into another religion.

I'm sure you can see these things anyway - just expressing them in relation to the topic.

[convulsions for breakfast]

I'm a big, big fan of Icke's but I do wish he'd shut up about the damn lizards. I'm sure he's onto something there - but please - discuss it with the inner circle only as it puts potential recruits off.

Icke's army...Icke's Army where all part of icke's Army :p it's is all a big game to some..:rolleyes:.

I would really love to hear what david would have to say on the subject....ya know so then i could know what i think on the subject :rolleyes:

I am still :mad: about getting 2 warnings the other nite...but i am on my way to calming down....no more angry shitty post's....sorry brain freeze:(

there has been people on here who has been accussed of the most horrendous crimes yet as soon as you open your mouth about da master...poor wee davey boy....your in the bad books...

i like david man....just pissed off with some of the shit going down on the forum...

and no before before you ask i won't be leaving .....getting kicked off????
mmm maybe :p

PS i want the whole lot of these's clowns who are questioning david hit withspam notices....damn you i want it now:p

[size_of_light]

we can't write about:

anything negative about a new £20 book theorising about the moon being a spaceship full of aliens.

If I was Icke and had a forum that went under my name and had just spent the best part of however long writing a book I considered my best yet, and wanted it to speak for itself and have as much impact as possible on the public when it came out...

...then he's a better man than I am if he wasn't interested in ensuring that gibbering little attention-seeking prats like yourself were made to quiten down or better still SHUT THE FUCK UP with your relentless, mindless, nauseating drivel if only for a few weeks in order to give the book a chance to do it's job.

You ever considered the possibility that you talk too much and have nothing to say?

[brainfreeze]

Icke's army...Icke's Army where all part of icke's Army :p it's is all a big game to some..:rolleyes:.

I would really love to hear what david would have to say on the subject....ya know so then i could know what i think on the subject :rolleyes:

I am still :mad: about getting 2 warnings the other nite...but i am on my way to calming down....no more angry shitty post's....sorry brain freeze:(

there has been people on here who has been accussed of the most horrendous crimes yet as soon as you open your mouth about da master...poor wee davey boy....your in the bad books...

i like david man....just pissed off with some of the shit going down on the forum...

and no before before you ask i won't be leaving .....getting kicked off????
mmm maybe :p

PS i want the whole lot of these's clowns who are questioning david hit withspam notices....damn you i want it now:p

You were angy and shitty with me?

I don't think I saw the post. :confused:

I don't mind peeps having a go at me, unless it's AA or Megavomit because they got personal with me. Other than that, I really don't take anything in life too seriously - unless it affects me and my loved ones directly - never mind the forum. Though no doubt I would have been shitty right back had I read it. The shits all gone at the click of a button.

[kitler]

If I was searching for the truth I would, in the tradition of scientific thought, hold up my ideas for all to debate and attack. Only after surviving such an onslaught would I consider publishing my research.

If of course the truth was what I was really interested in

[clachan]

ok ,we can write about:

satanic ritual.
sacrifice.
illegal wars.
mind control.
manipulation of the human race.

we can't write about:

anything negative about a new £20 book theorising about the moon being a spaceship full of aliens.


let us have some perspective here....:confused:


Maybe after people have read the book then the critics can have their say.
But its premature to slag of an idea that may have been taken out of context.
Torpedo the ship after it has left the harbour :D, thats unless the theory is a sound one backed up with good evidence.

[polveirbecker]

One minute you don’t want ‘sheeple’ on the forum with opposing views. The next minute you want to raise similar views that suit yourselves.

Something has to give :)

[nefilim777]

It's a forum not a free speech zone.


Yet for some reason people are free to openly express neo-nazi propaganda? Oh you can talk about killing Jews all you want but don't bad mouth our prophet! Stupid.

[size_of_light]

Cheers Size of Light.

I can understand the need for a certain 'etiquette' or respect of others on the forum, i.e. when things begin kicking off with personal insults.

My only disagreement is that even if David Icke doesn't endorse the forum, this place is everything to do with his work, and the similar work being done by others.

I can point to several researchers who have contributed to my learning. But I want to be free to question anyone who's teaching me anything. Obviously if it reaches the point where I don't feel they have nothing else to show me, I can either stay and dispute or I can go elsewhere.

I think in giving respect to the truth researchers, we have to retain the freedom to say 'No, that isn't right - I don't agree', no matter how brilliant and eye-opening their work is. We knock the world of religion because the ability to do that is taken away. We need to be careful that we don't turn 'conspiracy researchers' into another religion.

I'm sure you can see these things anyway - just expressing them in relation to the topic.

Good post.

[size_of_light]

Yet for some reason people are free to openly express neo-nazi propaganda? Oh you can talk about killing Jews all you want but don't bad mouth our prophet! Stupid.

Read the forum guidelines again and try not to be so fucking dumb.

Or launch a mass revolt and takeover of the David Icke forum.

Or cry.

Or go away.

Can you sense the reality that no one gives a shit except other sad Drama Queens when you whine on like this?

[brainfreeze]

Read the guidelines again and try not to be so fucking dumb.

We are all dumb here. Sheep. Do as the man says or else.

Hows this for irony/hypocrasy. The forum vilifies my bf and business partner, names them as common purpose, but I dare not question the boss of here?!

Mmmm...ok :rolleyes:

Can anyone say totalitarian?

[size_of_light]

We are all dumb here. Sheep. Do as the man says or else.

Hows this for irony/hypocrasy. The forum vilifies my bf and business partner, names them as common purpose, but I dare not question the boss of here?!

Mmmm...ok :rolleyes:

Can anyone say totalitarian?

You're probably better off trying to sue than compaining about it on here.

[brainfreeze]

You're probably better off trying to sue than compaining about it on here.

The boyfriend laughed and asked me "why are you on that nutters website anyway?" He keeps asking me why I fill my head with shit. :p

PS: As for suing? He asks, why give the man the publicity? And how many people really take him seriously? He said more, but I'm gagged here remember.

[size_of_light]

The boyfriend laughed and asked me "why are you on that nutters website anyway?" He keeps asking me why I fill my head with shit. :p

PS: As for suing? He asks, why give the man the publicity? And how many people really take him seriously? He said more, but I'm gagged here remember.

You're probably tying yourself into knots over nothing then.

If somebody said something false about your boyfriend, it wouldn't be the first time any of us have made untrue allegations about other people and it's only a drop in the ocean anyway, quickly forgotten by others once we all weigh in with our opinions on the next Steppewar thread.

[runlikehell]

Will this thread be locked?????



Runlikhell locks the thread at the request of the OP :D :p

[brainfreeze]

You're probably tying yourself into knots over nothing then.

If somebody said something false about your boyfriend, it wouldn't be the first time any of us have made untrue allegations about other people and it's only a drop in the ocean anyway, quickly forgotten by others once we all weigh in with our opinions on the next Steppewar thread.


Nah, you misunderstand. When that happened I decided to research the researcher. I'm obviously not allowed to post what I found out on this forum, but I certainly take things here with a large pinch of salt since. I do however maintaint the right to point out how personally close and truly wrong those accusations are rather than let it get lost in the wash. Its nonsense.

Hey diddle diddle the cat and the fiddle the cow jumped over the moon

[lightgiver]

Apparently David has nothing to do with the forum and didn't even want it. Sean runs it. You're not allowed to post anything negative about Icke on his own forum is what Sean told me in a pm.

It's censorship which boarders on this being nowt more than a PR board for Ickes books/works. Most news sites censor comments in the same way. We're not allowed to question or mention as much (read the site rules). So we accept it and play happy puppets. Fair enough.

Perhaps this is why the forum is getting bunged up with more and more toilet discussions?

But your post?

It'll be gone soon.

PS Sean this is not critism but truth.

Nonsense.

You have just posted on a section full of criticism and negativity towards Icke,you are just shit stirring,

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107269 have a read.

[brainfreeze]

Nonsense.

You have just posted on a section full of criticism towards Icke.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107269 have a read.

Please do note how everyone who has anything else but praise is walking on egg shells here.

This thread is still here, plenty others have gone. I'm truly surprised this one is still up.

When peeps post things you don't like on that link you say the thread is degenerating! PMSL

[lightgiver]

Please do note how everyone who has anything else but praise is walking on egg shells here.

This thread is still here, plenty others have gone. I'm truly surprised this one is still up.

Bull you have just come on another section posted a 1 liner with rolling eyes as though is has some significance, and the said thread is full of abuse towards Icke,and then state there is no criticism allowed.

you dear are shit stirring.

this whole forum is awash with Icke critics,always has been.

[brainfreeze]

Bull you have just come on another section posted a 1 liner with rolling eyes as though is has some significance, and the said thread is full of abuse towards Icke,and then state there is no criticism allowed.

you dear are shit stirring.

this whole forum is awash with Icke critics,always has been.

Who are now inactive or have tallied up a good load of infractions. Reminds me of another kind of numbering system that was once used and tattoo'ed.

[lightgiver]

Who are now inactive or have tallied up a good load of infractions. Reminds me of another kind of numbering system that was once used and tattoo'ed.

That is a bit over exaggerated.

[rodin]

Who are now inactive or have tallied up a good load of infractions. Reminds me of another kind of numbering system that was once used and tattoo'ed.

Holocaust product placement?

By their works....

[rodin]

Listen everybody its a free forum not a gulag. You are free to leave anytime. And I can tell you if I can survive here without as much as a warning it is heads and shoulders above most other forums in not censoring awkward truths.

Some come here and complain because certain posters are not devoted Ickettes. Like dissent should not be allowed or something.

Some complain they can't bad-mouth him to their hearts content. Go do it on another forum FFS if u want to.

I am sure a civil criticism of any of Davids core tenets would be fine - so I will demonstrate.

I have never seen a convincing video of a shapeshifting reptile. Furthermore I doubt the physics is possible. However - demons are another matter. Fantastic they may seem to the rationalist, but actually I think that in theory there is a rational scientific explanation for them and also for why some 'symbols' and 'set-ups' (like Oiuja board) have 'power'. Mysterious Power, only because it comes from a domain hidden from us - not in another dimension or plane, but frequency spectrum in our 3D universe. Now it could be David has been 'Coopered' - that is convincingly duped into believing there are reptilians just as Bill Cooper was hoodwinked into the alien scam for a long time. Nowadays Bill Cooper is held up as the real real - above most live truthers for sure.

I see David has an outlandish Moon theory in his new book. Well, far as I can see the Moon is not a spaceship. First off, the scale is ridiculous. Furthermore Neal Adams showed that like Earth it has been subject to an expansion phase in its evolution - a trait of all planets and larger moons it seems. Its locked rotation with the Earth is natural. What is odd is that it is the same size as the Sun in the sky. Plus it is so large relative to Earth. I would say there IS something odd about the Moon. For instance, the craters look like they may have been formed by electric plasma arc

Also about Venus..... (to be continued)

[nefilim777]

Read the forum guidelines again and try not to be so fucking dumb.

Or launch a mass revolt and takeover of the David Icke forum.

Or cry.

Or go away.

Can you sense the reality that no one gives a shit except other sad Drama Queens when you whine on like this?

Ahahahahahaaa...and you're calling ME the drama queen. I don't want to stage a mass revolt at all, I was just making a point, calm down drama queen.

[brainfreeze]

Who's talking bad mouthing?

We're not allowed to question stuff we've found out that brings into question Icke walking his talk. We have links to what we would like to question, but we can't. It touches too close to the bone for some people on here. I'm talking stuff like Icke being connected to the very companies and peeps he derides as TPTB.

Ooops....now I'm in trouble.

[edward123]

Will this thread be locked?????

Given what I have seen and through communications off this forum with other members I guess it will be.

Firstly let me say I am not dissing David Icke in any way, I think he is a very brave man for how he has conducted his life and through his work I believe he probably has changed a lot of peoples views on the world.

Let me cut straight to the chase. Since news of Davids new book has arisen certain threads and posts have been removed that GO AGAINST Mr Icke. Given the subject matter and what is discussed every day here on this site I am very very surprised and the feeling in my heart is I AM SUSPICIOUS of why.

So David wants to advertise his new work to the people who come here, on the site that he built and runs. That is more than his right. But If I word myself against him in a certain way then my posts will be removed and I will get warnings (not me personally but people i know).

So any BAD IDEAS/VIEWS are basicly not tolerated. So where is the freedom of speech here????? Surely the mods are not that worried that people will turn ultra sheep and believe the negative comments that will then in turn stop books being sold?????

I dont want to disrupt and I say that this is my view only but I get the feeling after using this site for the time I have and what control I have seen put over it that...............

This site Is just a way of people to make money. David expresses himself in talks and in his books and on dvd but he never EVER that I know come on here and converse with anybody on what we discuss.

Thats because whatever he says would be rembered and possibly used against him in the future (my feelings)

David Icke to me feels like it is turning into a brand.

If i had information that would free and save mankind i wouldn't charge for it. I would just post it on here and not charge for it. This is what makes me wonder.

[haukipesukone]

I'm not connecting this to you at all decode, but there's a real childish mentality with a number of people on this forum who seem to in a constant state of war with the moderators on the one hand, while treating them like substitute parents on the other, always bitching and whining and pissing and moaning about things the other boys and girls said and did that were naughty and that they don't like. And they want Mommy or Daddy to 'do something about it!' I've been a moderator and I've seen it at the coalface and it's pathetic.


Indeed. What's the meaning behind the OP except to test the limits of "freedom" on this forum in a very teenager-like way?

[bemore]

SIZE OF LIGHT.

You obviously misunderstand me.

Im not complaing at all, im not whinging like a bitch, not moaning.

I understand your points and I take it your in the opinion of "Take it or leave it" which is fine mate. On the scale of what we discuss it is quite trivial I know.

Ive not talked about Icke for AGES, its only on broaching this subject. Ill just say again that im not dissing Davids work, Im not in a 100% position to comment seeing as ive not researched every piece of his work. From what I have seen though some of his work makes sense.

The guidelines on this forum are great, they are obviously here to protect people and I imagine the Mods are doing a great job in sorting us nutters out.

Its only recently that I have seen posts and threads being locked down and the subject matter of it is ICKE.

So sorry if anybody else disagrees with me, its my account, on my internet on my computer and its the way I feel from what I see but we are free to post on this forum if its in the guidelines.

But if we broach the subject of Icke then we will be brought down, which in turn gives me the opinion that this site is here to make money, because to remove the posts and threads means that they are bothered about negativity towards Icke and his possible books sales (given its around the time the book is released)

Its not even about the book, or if it was a video or whatever. Its just about the control I feel is put on the users. Much more to other people then to me.

Peace

[bemore]

Indeed. What's the meaning behind the OP except to test the limits of "freedom" on this forum in a very teenager-like way?

Im not testing anything, you disagree with me about my views and thats fine : ) how have I done it in a teenage way????

Im not moaning or complaining just bringing up a subject like any other thread on what I feel is relevant.

[haukipesukone]

Its only recently that I have seen posts and threads being locked down and the subject matter of it is ICKE.


I agree that sometimes they've been a bit too lock happy when it comes to Icke and other research criticism. But it is also true that some people criticize Icke and the others not because of valid reasons, but for the sake of sullying their name. Either they have some "agenda" or they really dislike Icke for personal reasons.

Im not testing anything, you disagree with me about my views and thats fine : ) how have I done it in a teenage way????

Im not moaning or complaining just bringing up a subject like any other thread on what I feel is relevant.

I'd say this thread is a quite brilliant passive-aggressive attack against the authority on this forum. For one the rules say you're not supposed to criticize the mods, but in a sense that is what this thread is doing. By naming it "Will this thread be locked????" you're subtly accusing the authority figures of being authoritarian despots. If they were to lock this thread, they'd prove your point right. So as it stands this thread is a statement against the authority of the mods.

My question: why? Are you doing it just so you could see how far you can go? Do you really dislike the moderation here and want to cause them harm? Are trying to make Icke and his forum seems like a bunch of fascists?

It's because of people who would exploit the rules, that rules exist. Which is kind of sad.

[wolfhead]

it's because of people who would exploit the rules, that rules exist. Which is kind of sad.

wtf???????????????

[rodin]

Who's talking bad mouthing?

We're not allowed to question stuff we've found out that brings into question Icke walking his talk. We have links to what we would like to question, but we can't. It touches too close to the bone for some people on here. I'm talking stuff like Icke being connected to the very companies and peeps he derides as TPTB.

Ooops....now I'm in trouble.

Icke is accepted by the mainstream because they have the 'Son of God' and 'The Queen is a reptile' to throw back at him. I.e. he is currently a manageable threat. Maybe this works in his favour.

You say he has business connections to the Establishment.

Do you work and pay tax? Establishment connection. Are you on benefits? Establishment connection.

PM with your gripe I will look into it though

[brainfreeze]

Icke is accepted by the mainstream because they have the 'Son of God' and 'The Queen is a reptile' to throw back at him. I.e. he is currently a manageable threat. Maybe this works in his favour.

You say he has business connections to the Establishment.

Do you work and pay tax? Establishment connection.[b] Are you on benefits?[b] Establishment connection.

PM with your gripe I will look into it though

No to both those questions.

I've already had my grips verified but thanks, and that's the thing. Those gripes are real and true, but shhhh...don't expose the truth. We don't want to mess with the great illusion in the name of it.

And now I'm skating on thin ice, so I'll STFU.

[rodin]

No to both those questions.

I've already had my grips verified but thanks, and that's the thing. Those gripes are real and true, but shhhh...don't expose the truth. We don't want to mess with the great illusion in the name of it.

And now I'm skating on thin ice, so I'll STFU.

Well if I don't know what's bothering you I can't offer an opinion.

[brainfreeze]

Well if I don't know what's bothering you I can't offer an opinion.

It's ok. I'm considering collating all that I have found and question into a book on Lulu.com for those not oppose to researching their researcher.

[elo_zorn]

Who's talking bad mouthing?

We're not allowed to question stuff we've found out that brings into question Icke walking his talk. We have links to what we would like to question, but we can't. It touches too close to the bone for some people on here. I'm talking stuff like Icke being connected to the very companies and peeps he derides as TPTB.

Ooops....now I'm in trouble.

You talking about this?

http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/01/19/tangled-web-he-weaves-who-behind-david-icke%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98freedom-foundation%E2%80%99-will-banyan-dece

To quote myself from another thread (surprised the comment wasn't removed as the same subject matter has been tossed into the conspiratainment forum when it existed):

The mods do let a lot slide in the realm of critiques of David, but any concrete adverse info against the guy is always quickly dealt with...such as the fact that Icke's "Freedom Foundation" is hosted by the IHC; a tax-exempt/non-profit group, something Icke has exposed in his own books as a tool to fund "New World Order" projects. And guess who is one of the biggest contributers to this IHC...the Rockefellers! The Rockefeller's donate millions (collectively) to the IHC directly (Laurence Rockefeller) and through groups such as Tides Foundation and the Philanthropic Collaborative, an off shoot of the Philanthropy Advisers, which is a non-profit offshoot of Rockefeller Financial Services.

Using Icke's own words: "But I am saying that Laurance Rockefeller, who also finances UFO "research,” does not pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to fund an outcome that doesn't suit him. The Rockefellers are 100% Illuminati." No kidding!

I'd love to hear Icke's response to how he is exempt from this corruption, when the IHC has such obvious ties to the Rockefellers. Tricky tricky...

[brainfreeze]

You talking about this?

http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/01/19/tangled-web-he-weaves-who-behind-david-icke%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98freedom-foundation%E2%80%99-will-banyan-dece

To quote myself from another thread (surprised the comment wasn't removed as the same subject matter has been tossed into the conspiratainment forum when it existed):

I saw that but no. Like I said, I did the research. Did you take that to mean I simply read stuff?

WTH?

I wont be baited into overstepping the mark on here. So I'm not discussing this here any further. I'm mouthy but I know my place.

[merlincove]

Well i think it is quite amazing how there is so much talk about the lack of free speech apparent.

If i were to ban the OP and then create a thread discussing the OP and certain aspects of his life, calling him a shill, a troll, a reptilian, a mason, an illuminati, an illuminati patsy etc - given that the OP is not here to disagree with those points, would it be right to discuss these things in his absence?

Would a character assassination be ok with everyone?

Of course not.

The fact of the matter is, that the moderation on this forum will remove posts and threads that run contrary to the guidelines, guidelines that are in place to allow the forum to run smoothly, for educated and meaningful discussions about things that matter, rather than seeing the forum become awash with nasty and personal asides, rather than see the forum become a vehicle for hatred and negativity.

All this bollox about their being a lack of freedom of speech, and yet you have the freedom to say there is a lack of freedom? wtf?

The thread remains, lol

:p

:D

[psketti]

The threads round here just keep getting more interesting...

[gods sun]

your views are not permitted on this forum close the thread before ickes carrer is in threat from someones comment

shut him up, look at my eye brows with fury.

bill hicks.

[brainfreeze]

Well i think it is quite amazing how there is so much talk about the lack of free speech apparent.

If i were to ban the OP and then create a thread discussing the OP and certain aspects of his life, calling him a shill, a troll, a reptilian, a mason, an illuminati, an illuminati patsy etc - given that the OP is not here to disagree with those points, would it be right to discuss these things in his absence?

Would a character assassination be ok with everyone?

Of course not.

The fact of the matter is, that the moderation on this forum will remove posts and threads that run contrary to the guidelines, guidelines that are in place to allow the forum to run smoothly, for educated and meaningful discussions about things that matter, rather than seeing the forum become awash with nasty and personal asides, rather than see the forum become a vehicle for hatred and negativity.

All this bollox about their being a lack of freedom of speech, and yet you have the freedom to say there is a lack of freedom? wtf?

The thread remains, lol

:p

:D

Just as an aside. I did not say anything about freedom of speach. I pointed out we are not allowed to question anything about Icke which may appear to show Icke with a flaw or a great gapping whole, which may even be the reason why we want to question on THE DAVID ICKE FORUM in the first place.

Thought I'd clear that up. Didn't want anything to get mis-translated on this bush telegraph.

[rodin]

Well i think it is quite amazing how there is so much talk about the lack of free speech apparent.

If i were to ban the OP and then create a thread discussing the OP and certain aspects of his life, calling him a shill, a troll, a reptilian, a mason, an illuminati, an illuminati patsy etc - given that the OP is not here to disagree with those points, would it be right to discuss these things in his absence?

Would a character assassination be ok with everyone?

Of course not.

The fact of the matter is, that the moderation on this forum will remove posts and threads that run contrary to the guidelines, guidelines that are in place to allow the forum to run smoothly, for educated and meaningful discussions about things that matter, rather than seeing the forum become awash with nasty and personal asides, rather than see the forum become a vehicle for hatred and negativity.

All this bollox about their being a lack of freedom of speech, and yet you have the freedom to say there is a lack of freedom? wtf?

The thread remains, lol

:p

:D

Nothing but good can come of that :)

[elo_zorn]

I saw that but no. Like I said, I did the research. Did you take that to mean I simply read stuff?

WTH?

I wont be baited into overstepping the mark on here. So I'm not discussing this here any further. I'm mouthy but I know my place.

Whoa! I think you took that the wrong way! Sorry for any confusion, I wasn't criticizing or trying to bait you in...no ill will from my end my friend.

When you mentioned the shady companies Icke was tied to I figured you were hinting at the whole "Freedom Foundation" controversy, and I didn't mind taking the heat for posting it. It certainly isn't slanderous as it is a fact that Icke's tax exempt foundation was hosted by a company that is heavily funded by the Rockefellers, and that Icke himself "exposes" this type of set up as a method of funding NWO projects. The donations are publicly available to see and the link connecting Icke to IHC was on his own page until people found out about this...you really don't have to dig deep at all to see how shady this is. I honestly think Icke or his representitives should be willing to discuss the matter rather than covering it up, since Icke himself digs quite deeply into people's lives himself and speaks out against censorship.

[elo_zorn]

Well i think it is quite amazing how there is so much talk about the lack of free speech apparent.

If i were to ban the OP and then create a thread discussing the OP and certain aspects of his life, calling him a shill, a troll, a reptilian, a mason, an illuminati, an illuminati patsy etc - given that the OP is not here to disagree with those points, would it be right to discuss these things in his absence?

Would a character assassination be ok with everyone?

Of course not.

The fact of the matter is, that the moderation on this forum will remove posts and threads that run contrary to the guidelines, guidelines that are in place to allow the forum to run smoothly, for educated and meaningful discussions about things that matter, rather than seeing the forum become awash with nasty and personal asides, rather than see the forum become a vehicle for hatred and negativity.

All this bollox about their being a lack of freedom of speech, and yet you have the freedom to say there is a lack of freedom? wtf?

The thread remains, lol

:p

:D

I don't this is really about nasty and personal asides/being vehicle for hatred and negativity as you insinuate. I can't speak for others, but I don't attack Icke with hatred or nastiness in any way...this is about being able to put Icke under the same microscope that he puts quite a lot of people/companies/cultures/religions etc.

Isn't that fair and exactly what Icke promotes? Thinking for yourself? Question things before swallowing them whole?

Just because we are free to state our opinion on the lack of freedom of speech here doesn't mean that other things aren't being censored. I had a thread tossed for simply mentioning a book citing Credu Mutwa as a fraud. I didn't even include my opinion! I literally posted a link to the book, and gave a brief description. This is lack of freedom of speech and censorship, plain and simple.

[brainfreeze]

Whoa! I think you took that the wrong way! Sorry for any confusion, I wasn't criticizing or trying to bait you in...no ill will from my end my friend.

When you mentioned the shady companies Icke was tied to I figured you were hinting at the whole "Freedom Foundation" controversy, and I didn't mind taking the heat for posting it. It certainly isn't slanderous as it is a fact that Icke's tax exempt foundation was hosted by a company that is heavily funded by the Rockefellers, and that Icke himself "exposes" this type of set up as a method of funding NWO projects. The donations are publicly available to see and the link connecting Icke to IHC was on his own page until people found out about this...you really don't have to dig deep at all to see how shady this is. I honestly think Icke or his representitives should be willing to discuss the matter rather than covering it up, since Icke himself digs quite deeply into people's lives himself and speaks out against censorship.

:o Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I'm off to cook dinner :)

[hadabusa]

As far as I know nothing was removed, and I still have not satisfied my suspicions about di's logo.

At some point all this "search for the truth, hidden knowledge, Illuminati expose'" becomes a full circle tail chase. I've come to believe that nobody is telling the truth, and if they are, then they don't have all the answers anyway. I believe that almost all the leaders of this cause (ie; Alex Jones, David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, etc) are just "Controlled Opposition". Because, after all, if you want to control the dissent you must lead the dissent.

It's quite demoralizing because, when I first set out on my search for the truth I thought I would be able to obtain it. But what has happened is that I've basically lost hope in satisfying that quest.

I have however found a few beacons of light in this maelstrom of deceit. Eustace Mullins comes to mind.
well, keystone summed it up in post number2.


youre seeing things that dont exist

[rodin]

You talking about this?

http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/01/19/tangled-web-he-weaves-who-behind-david-icke%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98freedom-foundation%E2%80%99-will-banyan-dece

To quote myself from another thread (surprised the comment wasn't removed as the same subject matter has been tossed into the conspiratainment forum when it existed):

OK I'll bite

As I understand it David used a US legal loophole to drum up donations for his cause. Raising about $100,000 it seems. A decent meal for a gaggle of 'Illuminists'. Truth does not pay, and so every mean to survive must be employed. Is David living the life of Riley in a luxury gated mansion? Well I don't know him personally but my guess is not.

I like some of the revelations referred to in that article, however

The widely despised Richard Warman, for example, a long-time antagonist of Icke, was once written off as a Bronfman “stooge” because of such links. It is worth recalling how compelling Icke’s evidence was to back this explosive allegation: first, Warman was a member of the Ontario Green Party, which works out of Toronto “one of the global centres of the Illuminati and one of its key bloodlines, the Bronfmans”; and, second, Warman “worked closely” with the Canadian Jewish Congress, which was “founded and funded by the Bronfman family” (Icke, 2001, pp.410-411). Not surprisingly, the compulsively litigious Warman took legal action http://www.cyberclass.net/million$claim.htm against Icke, seeking $1 million in damages for, among other things, the defamatory claim that he was “controlled by someone else.”1 The outcome of that legal dispute is unknown...

Another target of David Icke’s generous ire that should take comfort is his contender in the by-election for the seat of Haltemprice and Howden (held in July 2008), is former Conservative MP David Davis. In a lengthy piece on his website, in midst of his own ultimately unsuccessful campaign (David Icke’s share of the vote was 0.46% or 110 votes), Icke queried the sincerity of Davis’ campaign, asserting that it was “looking…more like yet another a Neocon scam.”: http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/14317/81

As with his attack on Warman, Icke’s evidence was exceptionally convincing. First, Icke revealed that Davis was been endorsed by, of all people, Ed Vaizey, the Conservative MP for Wantage and Didcot. For Icke it was clearly outrageous for Davis, running on a campaign of opposing Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s“Big Brother” plan to detain terrorist suspects for 42 days without charge, to accept Vaizey’s support. The reason? Vaizey was a member of the Henry Jackson Society:

The Big Brother society that Vaizey now claims to oppose in his support of fellow Conservative, David Davis, has been justified by the very war on terror that was instigated by members of the very Henry Jackson Society that Vaizey has been promoting from its creation in 2005.

The Henry Jackson Society, Icke breathlessly informed us, is in fact:

a Neocon operation, the British version of the Project for the New American Century, and it has precisely the same goals – the creation of an Orwellian global state and world domination through military force, technological surveillance, and the control of food, water and all resources.

More amazing evidence of the “scam” related to Davis’ other supporter, Conservative MP Patrick Mercer, who had once been sponsored by the Hart Group on a “fact-finding” visit to Iraq when he was the Conservative spokesman on Homeland Security. After detailing its interests in various biometric and electronic identification and surveillance technologies (but not its support for Brown’s 42-day detention policy), Icke declared the Hart Group to be a “classic Illuminati bloodline operation ... involving the aristocratic Spencer, Churchill and Sinclair families.”

Of course, to be difficult, one can point out that Icke presents no evidence that Davis himself was a member of the Henry Jackson Society or that Davis was in the direct pay of the “Illuminati” controlled Hart Group. For Icke, though, the conclusions we should draw from these associations are all too obvious:

You can see why the ADL might get interested in getting into DIF...

The comparison with the above and the fact David used a legitimate tax loophole to help himself survive inside a corrupt system seems disingenuous... and highly assymetric.

If you think I am missing something please respond

If you want to see who really does seem to be connected with the Bronfmans...

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?cat=311

For sure a spot on Alex Jones will gain David customers - that's business. But it is clear David covers subjects Jones was set up to gate-keep, and is much more in tune with Rense.

In my time I have recorded a very famous band I knew were inherently evil. I would rather not have, but there was studio rent to pay.

[bemore]

I agree that sometimes they've been a bit too lock happy when it comes to Icke and other research criticism. But it is also true that some people criticize Icke and the others not because of valid reasons, but for the sake of sullying their name. Either they have some "agenda" or they really dislike Icke for personal reasons.



I'd say this thread is a quite brilliant passive-aggressive attack against the authority on this forum. For one the rules say you're not supposed to criticize the mods, but in a sense that is what this thread is doing. By naming it "Will this thread be locked????" you're subtly accusing the authority figures of being authoritarian despots. If they were to lock this thread, they'd prove your point right. So as it stands this thread is a statement against the authority of the mods.

My question: why? Are you doing it just so you could see how far you can go? Do you really dislike the moderation here and want to cause them harm? Are trying to make Icke and his forum seems like a bunch of fascists?

It's because of people who would exploit the rules, that rules exist. Which is kind of sad.

Im not exploiting or testing anything, Its funny but I can see how it could look that way now you have put it that way.

Why am I doing it?????? I dont wanna make anybody look silly, dont want to make anybody look like fascists that is not my goal here.

My goal was to get an idea on the thoughts behind censorship, nothing more, nothing less. : )

[bemore]

Well i think it is quite amazing how there is so much talk about the lack of free speech apparent.

If i were to ban the OP and then create a thread discussing the OP and certain aspects of his life, calling him a shill, a troll, a reptilian, a mason, an illuminati, an illuminati patsy etc - given that the OP is not here to disagree with those points, would it be right to discuss these things in his absence?

Would a character assassination be ok with everyone?

Of course not.

The fact of the matter is, that the moderation on this forum will remove posts and threads that run contrary to the guidelines, guidelines that are in place to allow the forum to run smoothly, for educated and meaningful discussions about things that matter, rather than seeing the forum become awash with nasty and personal asides, rather than see the forum become a vehicle for hatred and negativity.

All this bollox about their being a lack of freedom of speech, and yet you have the freedom to say there is a lack of freedom? wtf?

The thread remains, lol

:p

:D

I agree with everything you have said except for the character assasination.

The threads that got removed and the posts that got deleted were not really breaking the forum guidelines. I checked. My communications with people outside of this forum brought me to the conclusion that there was censorship on only ICKE.

I know Mr Icke is not here personally to defend himself, neither are a lot of people/organisations that are covered in this forum.

However seeing as sean runs this forum on behalf of Icke maybe it would of been more appropiate that he put people straight, surely it would be his responsibilty as Icke didnt want a forum but Sean took on the role. instead of just removing them (not sean removing them but whoever was moderating)

What happens If I diss Ickes work???? What would happen If I could disprove what he says or come up with another alternative???? Would my thoughts and writings be removed??? Because If I could (not that I would want to) then that would be much worse than disagreeing with paying £20 for a book or what his motives were behind it (which is what basicly got removed, that and other things)

Who knows.

[elo_zorn]

OK I'll bite

As I understand it David used a US legal loophole to drum up donations for his cause. Raising about $100,000 it seems. A decent meal for a gaggle of 'Illuminists'. Truth does not pay, and so every mean to survive must be employed. Is David living the life of Riley in a luxury gated mansion? Well I don't know him personally but my guess is not.

I like some of the revelations referred to in that article, however



You can see why the ADL might get interested in getting into DIF...

The comparison with the above and the fact David used a legitimate tax loophole to help himself survive inside a corrupt system seems disingenuous... and highly assymetric.

If you think I am missing something please respond

If you want to see who really does seem to be connected with the Bronfmans...

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?cat=311

For sure a spot on Alex Jones will gain David customers - that's business. But it is clear David covers subjects Jones was set up to gate-keep, and is much more in tune with Rense.

In my time I have recorded a very famous band I knew were inherently evil. I would rather not have, but there was studio rent to pay.

I hear you on your points there, but let's not forget David's own words when he critized the legitimacy of a UFO researcher's work for taking a handout from a Rockefeller.

Here's the quote again:

"Now I am not saying that Colin Andrews has been knowingly deceitful here for a moment. But I am saying that Laurance Rockefeller, who also finances UFO "research,” does not pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to fund an outcome that doesn't suit him. The Rockefellers are 100% Illuminati. So does anyone think that they want the public to know what the crop formations really are?? My goodness. And it is this Rockefeller-funded research that has produced Colin's answer to the mystery. I think I'll wait just a little longer to be so definite, if you don't mind, Col."

The IHC has very strict requirements for entry, and like Icke said...why would the Rockefeller's donate so much to something that worked against them? With all that Icke has written about the family, do you really think they'd let someone slip into one of their "NWO" funding programs unknowingly if it didn't serve their purpose?

[nirvana]

We are all dumb here. Sheep. Do as the man says or else.

Hows this for irony/hypocrasy. The forum vilifies my bf and business partner, names them as common purpose, but I dare not question the boss of here?!

Mmmm...ok :rolleyes:

Can anyone say totalitarian?


Who's your boyfriend and business partner? can you elaborate:)

[nirvana]

Who's talking bad mouthing?

We're not allowed to question stuff we've found out that brings into question Icke walking his talk. We have links to what we would like to question, but we can't. It touches too close to the bone for some people on here. I'm talking stuff like Icke being connected to the very companies and peeps he derides as TPTB.

Ooops....now I'm in trouble.

I respect Icke and I question his stuff all the time. I have never had my posts deleated or threads deleated. And I have been controversial at times.

If you have evidence instead of moaning just print it.:)

[rodin]

I hear you on your points there, but let's not forget David's own words when he critized the legitimacy of a UFO researcher's work for taking a handout from a Rockefeller.

Here's the quote again:

"Now I am not saying that Colin Andrews has been knowingly deceitful here for a moment. But I am saying that Laurance Rockefeller, who also finances UFO "research,” does not pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to fund an outcome that doesn't suit him. The Rockefellers are 100% Illuminati. So does anyone think that they want the public to know what the crop formations really are?? My goodness. And it is this Rockefeller-funded research that has produced Colin's answer to the mystery. I think I'll wait just a little longer to be so definite, if you don't mind, Col."

The IHC has very strict requirements for entry, and like Icke said...why would the Rockefeller's donate so much to something that worked against them? With all that Icke has written about the family, do you really think they'd let someone slip into one of their "NWO" funding programs unknowingly if it didn't serve their purpose?


Well I figgered the Crop Circle scam a while ago - how the Rockys did not research the circles but how gullible the public were about them, then proceeded to MASER the crops.

So did CC researcher Andrews get hundreds of thousands of dollars directly from Rockefeller?

Meanwhile Icke raises a hundred thousand by canvassing for individual donations - using charitable status loophole to maximise the takings. Can you really suggest a route whereby Rockefeller directly funds Icke?

If this was a discretionary thang on behalf of Rocky maybe this part explains it http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=19

[elo_zorn]

Well I figgered the Crop Circle scam a while ago - how the Rockys did not research the circles but how gullible the public were about them, then proceeded to MASER the crops.

So did CC researcher Andrews get hundreds of thousands of dollars directly from Rockefeller?

Meanwhile Icke raises a hundred thousand by canvassing for individual donations - using charitable status loophole to maximise the takings. Can you really suggest a route whereby Rockefeller directly funds Icke?

If this was a discretionary thang on behalf of Rocky maybe this part explains it http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=19

My point is that Icke has crucified people on much shakier evidence than this. Although a Rockefeller didn't donate directly to Icke's fund, that doesn't mean he didn't benefit from a hosting company that is predominantly Rockefeller funded/influenced that has strict enrollment prerequisites. Again, it was Icke who wrote that this is exactly how they fund projects like this...don't you find it the least bit suspicious that Icke was involved with something he's "exposed"?

[rodin]

My point is that Icke has crucified people on much shakier evidence than this. Although a Rockefeller didn't donate directly to Icke's fund, that doesn't mean he didn't benefit from a hosting company that is predominantly Rockefeller funded/influenced that has strict enrollment prerequisites. Again, it was Icke who wrote that this is exactly how they fund projects like this...don't you find it the least bit suspicious that Icke was involved with something he's "exposed"?

I ask again - was Icke 'approved' here - ie selected from a list of candidates - or did he simply make use of a facility open to all?

I know my government was complicit in 7/7 and worse. I will still apply for a tax rebate

[binkbonk]

well, keystone summed it up in post number2.


youre seeing things that dont existNope.

You are simply in denial.

[nicolaj]

Well i think it is quite amazing how there is so much talk about the lack of free speech apparent.

If i were to ban the OP and then create a thread discussing the OP and certain aspects of his life, calling him a shill, a troll, a reptilian, a mason, an illuminati, an illuminati patsy etc - given that the OP is not here to disagree with those points, would it be right to discuss these things in his absence?

Would a character assassination be ok with everyone?

Of course not.

The fact of the matter is, that the moderation on this forum will remove posts and threads that run contrary to the guidelines, guidelines that are in place to allow the forum to run smoothly, for educated and meaningful discussions about things that matter, rather than seeing the forum become awash with nasty and personal asides, rather than see the forum become a vehicle for hatred and negativity.

All this bollox about their being a lack of freedom of speech, and yet you have the freedom to say there is a lack of freedom? wtf?

The thread remains, lol

:p

:D

pity Mr Calvert isn't given the same consideration

[size_of_light]

SIZE OF LIGHT.

You obviously misunderstand me.

Im not complaing at all, im not whinging like a bitch, not moaning.

I understand your points and I take it your in the opinion of "Take it or leave it" which is fine mate. On the scale of what we discuss it is quite trivial I know.

Ive not talked about Icke for AGES, its only on broaching this subject. Ill just say again that im not dissing Davids work, Im not in a 100% position to comment seeing as ive not researched every piece of his work. From what I have seen though some of his work makes sense.

The guidelines on this forum are great, they are obviously here to protect people and I imagine the Mods are doing a great job in sorting us nutters out.

Its only recently that I have seen posts and threads being locked down and the subject matter of it is ICKE.

So sorry if anybody else disagrees with me, its my account, on my internet on my computer and its the way I feel from what I see but we are free to post on this forum if its in the guidelines.

But if we broach the subject of Icke then we will be brought down, which in turn gives me the opinion that this site is here to make money, because to remove the posts and threads means that they are bothered about negativity towards Icke and his possible books sales (given its around the time the book is released)

Its not even about the book, or if it was a video or whatever. Its just about the control I feel is put on the users. Much more to other people then to me.

Peace

Understood. :)

Just don't worry too much about these sorts of things. It doesn't matter.

[brainfreeze]

Who's your boyfriend and business partner? can you elaborate:)

I'm not selling myself to the public so that's no ones business ;)

I respect Icke and I question his stuff all the time. I have never had my posts deleated or threads deleated. And I have been controversial at times.

If you have evidence instead of moaning just print it.:)

Read previous posts on that.

[elo_zorn]

I ask again - was Icke 'approved' here - ie selected from a list of candidates - or did he simply make use of a facility open to all?

I know my government was complicit in 7/7 and worse. I will still apply for a tax rebate

Icke allegedly applied on his own yes, but was accepted to a group that has strict prerequisites and is predominantly funded and influenced by the Rockefellers. How could a guy who is famous for his conspiracy work who focuses heavily on the Rockefellers get into a group like this? It's not like he just snuck in the door of a place hosting thousands of different non-profit foundations, the IHC hosts a very small amount of projects.

Now can you answer my question of why you think the Rockefellers would fund a group that hosts someone bashing them unless it suited their own purpose some how? Especially since this is paraphrasing Icke himself?

[convulsions for breakfast]

Well i think it is quite amazing how there is so much talk about the lack of free speech apparent.

If i were to ban the OP and then create a thread discussing the OP and certain aspects of his life, calling him a shill, a troll, a reptilian, a mason, an illuminati, an illuminati patsy etc - given that the OP is not here to disagree with those points, would it be right to discuss these things in his absence?

Would a character assassination be ok with everyone?

Of course not.

The fact of the matter is, that the moderation on this forum will remove posts and threads that run contrary to the guidelines, guidelines that are in place to allow the forum to run smoothly, for educated and meaningful discussions about things that matter, rather than seeing the forum become awash with nasty and personal asides, rather than see the forum become a vehicle for hatred and negativity.

All this bollox about their being a lack of freedom of speech, and yet you have the freedom to say there is a lack of freedom? wtf?

The thread remains, lol

Well in dat cause....i look forward to seeing you's remove all the threads about people who arent here to defend themselves....or is that just a special rule for david cause he owns the forum?

rather than seeing the forum become awash with nasty and personal asides, rather than see the forum become a vehicle for hatred and negativity.

ya can't really tell people how they feel, if they are feeling negative they have every right to be negative....

*thinks real hard* oh i get it now....you's are only looking certain kind of people on here:confused:

the yes brothers....peace and lovers...the ickette's:o

[size_of_light]

Well in dat cause....i look forward to seeing you's remove all the threads about people who arent here to defend themselves....or is that just a special rule for david cause he owns the forum?

Why wouldn't it be?

What planet are you on dude?

[rodin]

Icke allegedly applied on his own yes, but was accepted to a group that has strict prerequisites, that is predominantly funded and influenced by the Rockefellers. How could a guy who is famous for his conspiracy work who focuses heavily on the Rockefellers get into a group like this? It's not like he just snuck in the door of a place hosting thousands of different non-profit foundations, the IHC hosts a very small amount of projects.

Now can you answer my question of why you think the Rockefellers would fund a group that hosts someone bashing them unless it suited their own purpose some how? Especially since this is paraphrasing Icke himself?

Well to be honest I don't know enough about the group and the Rockefellers role in it. If they looked into Icke and liked what they saw my guess is because they saw him as part of the New Age movement - something the 'elite' are obviously on board with.

Now how do I apply for funding?

[rodin]

pity Mr Calvert isn't given the same consideration

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058706873&postcount=103

Now it is all out in the open Calvert should be safe. Time to write a book and coin it in if he's well advised

[elo_zorn]

Well to be honest I don't know enough about the group and the Rockefellers role in it. If they looked into Icke and liked what they saw my guess is because they saw him as part of the New Age movement - something the 'elite' are obviously on board with.

Now how do I apply for funding?

All the info stated in that article is cited and verifiable with many links provided...you should check it out, and then try to answer that question again. If they saw him as part of the New Age Movement that they were funding as disinfo, don't you think that's at least a little bit suspicious? If this was Icke saying all this about someone else, I bet you wouldn't find it so hard to believe...

[size_of_light]

You come onto one of the freest places on the internet to express your views and all you can do with that times is tug at your own shirts and wail about how it 'should be freer!'

A bunch of petulant, deeply self-unaware little kids who don't even understand the humiliating irony of what you're doing.

Some of you really do think that when you log onto this forum you're actually inserting yourself INSIDE the body of David Icke himself, don't you?

C'mon, admit it. ;)

You think if you can just make enough noise or be virus-enough like inside his forum that it might make one of David's eyelids twitch, or an arm spasm, and it might cause him to pay attention to the aggravation you're causing him because his acknowledgement of that would make you feel like you have something worthy to contribute to the world.

When you're writhing on your death beds you're not going to be ranting in delirious panic about how unfairly moderated the David Icke forum was so why don't you all wake the fuck up right now, get over it, grow a pair, and use your right to express your 'freedom' or whatever the hell else it is you think you have the right to do on something more worthwhile than this horseshit?

Nothing else you can think of to use it on?

Then try shutting your fucking inane, out of control mouths for once and actually start reading through some of the threads on this evil, police-state forum you volunteered to incacerate yourselves in for a change.

[brainfreeze]

You come onto one of the freest places on the internet to express your views and all you can do with that times is tug at your own shirts and wail about how it 'should be freer!'

A bunch of petulant, deeply self-unaware little kids who don't even understand the humiliating irony of what you're doing.

Some of you really do think that when you log onto this forum you're actually inserting yourself INSIDE the body of David Icke himself, don't you?

C'mon, admit it. ;)

You think if you can just make enough noise or be virus-enough like inside his forum that it might make one of David's eyelids twitch, or an arm spasm, and it might cause him to pay attention to the aggravation you're causing him because his acknowledgement of that would make you feel like you have something worthy to contribute to the world.

When you're writhing on your death beds you're not going to be ranting in delirious panic about how unfairly moderated the David Icke forum was so why don't you all wake the fuck up right now, get over it, grow a pair use your right to express your 'freedom' on something more worthwhile than this horseshit?

Nothing else you can think to use it on?

Then try shutting your fucking inane, out of control mouths for once and actually start reading through some of the threads on this evil, police-state forum you volunteered to incacerate yourselves in for a change.

Wow....seriously?

So it's only nutters who question Icke?

OK :confused:

[rodin]

All the info stated in that article is cited and verifiable with many links provided...you should check it out, and then try to answer that question again. If they saw him as part of the New Age Movement that they were funding as disinfo, don't you think that's at least a little bit suspicious? If this was Icke saying all this about someone else, I bet you wouldn't find it so hard to believe...

THE FREEDOM FOUNDATION

FUNDING THE TRUTH INSTEAD OF THE SYSTEM

This is the educational foundation that allows American taxpayers to donate to David Icke's work and have it deducted from their tax bill.

Here is the chance to reduce the amount you pay to government to fund control and war and instead support someone working full-time for up to 12 hours a day to expose those behind the global conspiracy to enslave us all.

READ MORE...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058706873&postcount=103

The meat of the charge v Icke (note it is not so much a charge as insinuation...)

one must grapple with three indisputable facts:

1. Icke has stated repeatedly and explicitly in his books and lectures not to trust tax-exempt foundations, especially those connected to the Rockefellers and Bronfmans;

2. In 2005 and 2006 the IHC received on behalf of its member groups almost $1 million from Rockefeller philanthropic sources and $335,000 from the Tides Foundation; and

3. The IHC, until very recently, administered both Icke’s Freedom Foundation and Pamela Icke’s Fly With Me Productions: http://www.flywithmeproductions.com

This opens the door to other, less palatable explanations for Icke’s recent arrangement with the IHC, ranging from the sinister to the cynical. Is Icke now in the pay of the very forces he now claims to oppose? Has he been co-opted? Or do Icke’s actions indicate that he no longer believes what he says? Has Icke been duped? Or even that the powers-that-be that Icke rails against with such vigor are actually totally ignorant of or just indifferent to his very existence? Given Icke’s record of publicly opposing the “Illuminati” in its innumerable guises (and disguises), and the fact there is no evidence that Icke has received any funding from the Rockefellers or Bronfmans either directly or through his Freedom Foundation – thus far – such suggestions may seem outrageous. But through the act of seeking assistance from the IHC, seemingly without regard to its easily discovered connections, Icke does much to foster such conspiracy theories. The crux of matter, though, is quite simply that according to the very standards and methods that Icke frequently applies to condemn others as participants in a diabolical millennia-long global conspiracy; he leaves himself wide open to the very same charges through his recent association with the IHC.

In 2007 David Icke’s Freedom Foundation received a total of $112,090 http://ihcenter.org/07-990/07-990-16.html in donations; we can safely assume - for the moment - that most, if not all, of those tax-exempt donations came from the same sort of people who eagerly buy his books and DVDs, and who joyfully attend his marathon lectures. However, sometime during 2009, Icke very quietly removed the link to the Freedom Foundation from his website (only subscribers can access it) and disbanded it discontinuing his relationship with the IHC, leaving few traces of its existence, except for those who dig deep enough: http://web.archive.org/web/20080531052401/www.ihcenter.org/groups/freedo... Icke may well insist there was nothing sinister in his arrangements, perhaps; but his silence on this issue might suggest otherwise… P

http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/01/19/tangled-web-he-weaves-who-behind-david-icke%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98freedom-foundation%E2%80%99-will-banyan-dece

The author of the piece offers a list of possibilities leaving out the most likely.

The IHC liked the idea of a reptilian narrative, and taking crop circles seriously, therefore Icke got approval.

Subsequently one party or the other thought better of the association. Whichever party cut the tie works for me.

Interestingly the Elephant in the Room piece was done around the time this association is calculated to have ended.

Also interestingly it is obvious an insider group were trying to twist the forum, I have first hand evidence of this, and this piece may come from them. They may have insider information, and may even have been party to setting up situations for such an occasion. Is this the best they can come up with in the way of a counter attack?

Probably this discourse is of little or no interest to Icke, but if it gains traction as an issue of import a statement about it should clear air. Mistakes are no problem if admitted etc.

[elo_zorn]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058706873&postcount=103

The meat of the charge v Icke (note it is not so much a charge as insinuation...)



http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/01/19/tangled-web-he-weaves-who-behind-david-icke%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98freedom-foundation%E2%80%99-will-banyan-dece

The author of the piece offers a list of possibilities leaving out the most likely.

The IHC liked the idea of a reptilian narrative, and taking crop circles seriously, therefore Icke got approval.

Subsequently one party or the other thought better of the association. Whichever party cut the tie works for me.

Interestingly the Elephant in the Room piece was done around the time this association is calculated to have ended.

Also interestingly it is obvious an insider group were trying to twist the forum, I have first hand evidence of this, and this piece may come from them. They may have insider information, and may even have been party to setting up situations for such an occasion. Is this the best they can come up with in the way of a counter attack?

Probably this discourse is of little or no interest to Icke, but if it gains traction as an issue of import a statement about it should clear air. Mistakes are no problem if admitted etc.

How do you know the reason why the IHC accepted Icke? Your guess seems like it was based on you confusing the IHC with Laurence Rockefeller's independant donatation to that UFO researcher...this donation had nothing to do with the IHC. The IHC is not a paranormal researcher non profit group.

This whole issue did gain "traction" as you say...and then Icke deleted the link off his frontpage and stopped using the IHC, which makes the whole thing even more suspicious. If he wasn't doing anything wrong, why the need to hide things or drop out of the group once people caught wind of who they were?

[nicolaj]

How do you know the reason why the IHC accepted Icke? Your guess seems like it was based on you confusing the IHC with Laurence Rockefeller's independant donatation to that UFO researcher...this donation had nothing to do with the IHC. The IHC is not a paranormal researcher non profit group.

This whole issue did gain "traction" as you say...and then Icke deleted the link off his frontpage and stopped using the IHC, which makes the whole thing even more suspicious. If he wasn't doing anything wrong, why the need to hide things or drop out of the group once people caught wind of who they were?



was there ever a statement made? or just silence

[nirvana]

Icke allegedly applied on his own yes, but was accepted to a group that has strict prerequisites, that is predominantly funded and influenced by the Rockefellers. How could a guy who is famous for his conspiracy work who focuses heavily on the Rockefellers get into a group like this? It's not like he just snuck in the door of a place hosting thousands of different non-profit foundations, the IHC hosts a very small amount of projects.

Now can you answer my question of why you think the Rockefellers would fund a group that hosts someone bashing them unless it suited their own purpose some how? Especially since this is paraphrasing Icke himself?


Does sound abit strange. Maybe beause the rockefellows like what Mr Icke is saying maybe it serves a purpose.

I question everything these days nothing is what it seems:eek:


Sometimes the Icke groupies just want to be fed like what they call sheeple

[elo_zorn]

was there ever a statement made? or just silence

No statement whatsoever! Like I said, being involved with the IHC alone was suspicious, but the fact that it was all swept under the rug once this was exposed makes it look much worse.

[nicolaj]

No statement whatsoever! Like I said, being involved with the IHC alone was suspicious, but the fact that it was all swept under the rug once this was exposed makes it look much worse.

It speaks for it's self.


Does sound abit strange. Maybe beause the rockefellows like what Mr Icke is saying maybe it serves a purpose.

I question everything these days nothing is what it seems


Sometimes the Icke groupies just want to be fed like what they call sheeple

I can understand why they would like DI, your right we must question everything leave no stone unturned to do otherwise is foolish.

[haukipesukone]

Im not exploiting or testing anything, Its funny but I can see how it could look that way now you have put it that way.

Why am I doing it?????? I dont wanna make anybody look silly, dont want to make anybody look like fascists that is not my goal here.

My goal was to get an idea on the thoughts behind censorship, nothing more, nothing less. : )

Yeah sure, whatever.

This is the David Icke forum. If it wasn't for censorship one third of the threads in General would be about "How much Icke sucks ass". Since this is the DI forum, I can' understand why they don't want it.

There has been plenty of criticism of Icke here. It's the baseless accusations that get deleted.

[polveirbecker]

If you have a complaint about David’s current work then I recommend that you give Baron Von Lotsov a personal messege as that is Icke’s secret account on here :D

Also if you want to complain about stuff David’s going to write about then Ian2day is your man. It’s the industries worse kept secret that Icke copies off of Ian :cool:

[hadabusa]

Yeah sure, whatever.

This is the David Icke forum. If it wasn't for censorship one third of the threads in General would be about "How much Icke sucks ass". Since this is the DI forum, I can' understand why they don't want it.


and thatd be bad why?

hes the one who says big brozer bad etc

why censor if theres nothing to hide that could be debatted away?

are you daft/thick or do you think its cool to be pushed around according to mods instruction?

its not like people arent capable of debattes, neither are all arguments baseless.


what happened to bad pr is pr too?
it was certainly taken advantage of for moonmatrix.

are you seriously going to say heads must be censored bc they think the moonmatrix idea is foking insane?

:)

[convulsions for breakfast]

What planet are you on dude? mmmm what a strange question.......do you know many other planets that r connected to the internet? :rolleyes:

right here goes....my problem is....a thread the other nite was locked because some suggusted david was cashing in with the new book and maybe he is under mind control....

absolute nonsense but i support the right of someone to ask the question, so i reposted the questions on another thread only to be hit with 2spam warnings....

please tell me why i should not support the right for someone to ask stupid questions...there is people on this site cruficed daily?? do you agree? most of it unfounded bollocks 2?

the attitude that pisses me off is...QUESTION EVERYTHING......mmm except the master....don't question david on his own site or he will cry and take ball home.....

thats if he could catch it :p

your a obvious "yes brother" david icke has showed you the light and you will forever follow...

it is time for you to get off your knees

[size_of_light]

mmmm what a strange question.......do you know many other planets that r connected to the internet? :rolleyes:

right here goes....my problem is....a thread the other nite was locked because some suggusted david was cashing in with the new book and maybe he is under mind control....

absolute nonsense but i support the right of someone to ask the question, so i reposted the questions on another thread only to be hit with 2spam warnings....

please tell me why i should not support the right for someone to ask stupid questions...there is people on this site cruficed daily?? do you agree? most of it unfounded bollocks 2?

the attitude that pisses me off is...QUESTION EVERYTHING......mmm except the master....don't question david on his own site or he will cry and take ball home.....

thats if he could catch it :p

your a obvious "yes brother" david icke has showed you the light and you will forever follow...

it is time for you to get off your knees

Jesus Christ. What do you want me or anyone else to do about your petty little quarrel with the way the David Icke Forum is run?

Bring it up at your next sewing circle meeting and see if you can come up with some affirmative action plan to rectify this grave social travesty.

Do something productive mate.

[convulsions for breakfast]

Jesus Christ. What do you want me or anyone else to do about your petty little quarrel with the way the David Icke Forum is run?

Bring it up at your next sewing circle meeting and see if you can come up with some affirmative action plan to rectify this grave social travesty.

Do something productive mate.

Well cin as this is a thread about how the david icke forum is run my comments where not out of place. so whats with the over reaction?

i am just after giving you one of the reason a thread was locked...ya know the point of the thread:confused:

so tell me this you support freedom in every other way as long as it is not questioing the main man??

freedom of speech as long as it suit you or whoever elses makes up the rules...

I might make up my own forum where everyone can come on and talk shit about anyone but as long as they don't bring me into question...i'm happy :rolleyes:

do something procative??? that's rich coming from someone who like me is sitting wasting time on a internet forum.....remind me again how many posts ya have? really procative mate.

something to be proud of on your death bed friend

[size_of_light]

Well cin as this is a thread about how the david icke forum is run my comments where not out of place. so whats with the over reaction?

i am just after giving you one of the reason a thread was locked...ya know the point of the thread:confused:

Why do you care why a thread was locked?

It was locked for a reason - whatever that was - by the people volunteering to moderate the site according to moderation guidelines. Stop being such a fucking nancy boy gossip. Who cares?

So again, why does that concern you in the slightest?


so tell me this you support freedom in every other way as long as it is not questioing the main man??

This is an internet forum with posting guidelines. If you've got a problem with the forum guidelines bitching about 'the main man' on threads isn't going to change jack shit and just makes you look like a little kid.

Take it up with Admin in private if you really care about getting things changed because it's not going to happen this way.


I might make up my own forum where everyone can come on and talk shit about anyone but as long as they don't bring me into question...i'm happy :rolleyes:

I encourage you to go away and do that. Start recruiting members from this thread.

[nirvana]

Humans get off your knees and question everything yes this includes david icke:) sorry groupies:rolleyes:

[rodin]

What if there were no hypothetical questions?

George Carlin

[size_of_light]

Humans get off your knees and question everything yes this includes david icke:) sorry groupies:rolleyes:

Revolutionary kid!

My turn to roll the eyes.

[rodin]

Yeah sure, whatever.

This is the David Icke forum. If it wasn't for censorship one third of the threads in General would be about "How much Icke sucks ass". Since this is the DI forum, I can' understand why they don't want it.

There has been plenty of criticism of Icke here. It's the baseless accusations that get deleted.

I think (giving benefit of doubt) there was a spamming of threads by agenteur as well as genuine inquiry following the blow out...

This is much more civilised

Personally I see Icke as being on the acceptable end of the truther spectrum. I disagree with a lot of the far-fetched theories, but then again I have a couple of my own....

Plus all here must recognise they are getting the CHANCE to have their say.

Remember - posting anti DIF stuff here is a bit like handing out copies of the Protocols in a synagogue...

Well not quite - the Protocols make perfect sense :D

[size_of_light]

David Icke says we're free....

ATTACK EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ladygoogoo]

Hasn't been blocked yet in over a week
so.... your point was - what?

If people want to be anti-DI they can go start their own forum.
This place costs money to run and he is allowing us to
have a place to talk about and discuss his work and the
work of people trying to waken up the planet.

If posters want to be negative they can star their own forum someplace
else and pay the fees associated with storing so much data on a server.

There's nothing wrong with challenging ideas but when people are
just being negative just to be reactionary it's ludicrous to allow
that thread to take up so much space when other debates that
could further info we need to know now.

Thanks to Sean and the mods for working so hard on this forum. It can't be
an easy task and of course he cannot please everyone.

[brainfreeze]

If you have a complaint about David’s current work then I recommend that you give Baron Von Lotsov a personal messege as that is Icke’s secret account on here :D

Also if you want to complain about stuff David’s going to write about then Ian2day is your man. It’s the industries worse kept secret that Icke copies off of Ian :cool:

I am starting to appreciate your sence of humour :)

[haukipesukone]

and thatd be bad why?

hes the one who says big brozer bad etc

why censor if theres nothing to hide that could be debatted away?

are you daft/thick or do you think its cool to be pushed around according to mods instruction?

its not like people arent capable of debattes, neither are all arguments baseless.


what happened to bad pr is pr too?
it was certainly taken advantage of for moonmatrix.

are you seriously going to say heads must be censored bc they think the moonmatrix idea is foking insane?

:)

How do you debate something like "Icke has been cloned, and he's a mason and his moon matrix is crazy"? For all I know the person making the accusations is right, but I sure as hell know he doesn't know it. He's just making a stab in the dark. Sometimes they hit, often they don't. It's not bad to make baseless accusations every now and then, but there's been enough of them regarding Icke as of late. And this being the David Icke forum, I can understand why the moderation and many of us brainless Ickettes don't wanna be greeted by a flood of reasons why Icke sucks.

About the moon matrix, how can say it's insane if you haven't read the book? It seems a bit far fetched to me too, but conjuring up rumours isn't gonna explain what it is. And I've seen plenty of people voice their skepticism about the theory. Maybe it's just me and I'm delusional to think they allow people to speak their mind here.

[dark86]

the problem is that the moon spaceship THEORY is going to:

1) turn new people away from the truth genre.

2) move people who are already "awake" into the realm of theories

3) divide people who should be focusing on what they agree upon.


ps, moaning about forum costs when a book of theories is going for 20 pounds doesn´t wash.

[i_am]

the problem is that the moon spaceship THEORY is going to:

1) turn new people away from the truth genre.

2) move people who are already "awake" into the realm of theories

3) divide people who should be focusing on what they agree upon.


ps, moaning about forum costs when a book of theories is going for 20 pounds doesn´t wash.


That would be IN YOUR OPINION, right?

[nicolaj]

I would have thought the advertising on this site paid the cost of running it.

[haukipesukone]

the problem is that the moon spaceship THEORY is going to:

1) turn new people away from the truth genre.

2) move people who are already "awake" into the realm of theories

3) divide people who should be focusing on what they agree upon.


ps, moaning about forum costs when a book of theories is going for 20 pounds doesn´t wash.

So what? If Icke's theory happens to be true, I guess it doesn't matter since it sounds far fetched. We should stick to shallow platitudes since those we can all agree on. Icke didn't do a good enough job with his turd in the punch bowl -reptilians, he's trying again, is that it?

[rodin]

So what? If Icke's theory happens to be true, I guess it doesn't matter since it sounds far fetched. We should stick to shallow platitudes since those we can all agree on. Icke didn't do a good enough job with his turd in the punch bowl -reptilians, he's trying again, is that it?

If I have a criticism of Icke it is that he does not have a powerful grounding in material science. You need this if you are going to challenge the big deceptions which are largely scientific in nature.

His strength is understanding psychological science - so correct about problem-reaction-solution, his way of popularising the Hegelian Dialectic. And boy does it need popularising...

[sean]

ps, moaning about forum costs when a book of theories is going for 20 pounds doesn´t wash.

So you would rather he print the book and give it out for free, and thus never print another book for the rest of his life due to going out of business as a result?

[catnap]

Im not telling him anything. £20 is a huge amount of money for some people and it will prohibit them buying it. Thats a fact.

People who may have listened to Icke totally ridicule him because of the whole reptile shape shifting thing and they turned away. What one shred of evidence has Icke ever provided for this? No proof whatsoever so yes - I am happy to call it crap because thats what it is.

[sean]

Im not telling him anything. £20 is a huge amount of money for some people and it will prohibit them buying it. Thats a fact.

People who may have listened to Icke totally ridicule him because of the whole reptile shape shifting thing and they turned away. What one shred of evidence has Icke ever provided for this? No proof whatsoever so yes - I am happy to call it crap because thats what it is.
Well there you go, you've had your say. Evidently, many others do not feel the same way, and Icke does not believe it is "crap" either. Hence why he will continue talking and writing about it- despite what your opinion on the matter is.

[darryl84]

How many agent provocateurs make threads on the david icke forum?
Answers on a post card.

[bob_jones]

The Devil is a Ranting Tormentor

I like to ride my bicycle about in the countryside and shout this on the top of my voice where I think no-one will notice.

But I think a fisherman in Carlise heard me doing it in August 2005.

Some times I like to chamge it to

I am a Ranting Tormentor

for comic effect obviously.

Le home est trop les amis!!! It's fun being me sometimes, especially in the observer position.

[curtaincat]

Im not telling him anything. £20 is a huge amount of money for some people and it will prohibit them buying it. Thats a fact.

People who may have listened to Icke totally ridicule him because of the whole reptile shape shifting thing and they turned away. What one shred of evidence has Icke ever provided for this? No proof whatsoever so yes - I am happy to call it crap because thats what it is.

You can always request your local library to get the book in and they will do it... it might take a few months, since the book aint released yet.

btw... whatever you call crap is a reflection of yourself... lol, mind your manners, manners maketh man. :p

[king triad]

The moon was a gift to stabilize the planet...It was given to us by the Andromedans, David Icke is right it is a space station..

[haukipesukone]

If I have a criticism of Icke it is that he does not have a powerful grounding in material science. You need this if you are going to challenge the big deceptions which are largely scientific in nature.

His strength is understanding psychological science - so correct about problem-reaction-solution, his way of popularising the Hegelian Dialectic. And boy does it need popularising...

Very true. I think Icke makes the conspiracy all the from ancient Sumer to the modern day sound like one big uninterrupted stream of deception, although it's not necessarily his intention. Whereas I think there has been several secret societies throughout the centuries that sometimes get wiped out and then they'll start new ones based on old beliefs and methods. Although if there are seemingly immortal reptilian entities that hi-jack bodies of different people, then one could say the same conspiracy has lasted for millennia.

In short, many of Icke's facts are hard to prove, but like you said it's his understanding of the way people behave and the how he points out the manipulation in society where Icke really comes through.

But my opinion doesn't count since I have a positive view of Icke in general, and I am incapable of critical thinking, unlike people who attack everything Icke says.

[bob_jones]

well, keystone summed it up in post number2.


youre seeing things that dont exist

You know Keystone is very dishonest.

He accused me of being delusional on the M.I.7 thread and then i pointed out on the Contel Pro techniques for subverting a forum that the trolls like to make a consensus and then he deleted the allegation and denyed ever making it and then demanded Bemore apologise to me for saying the same thing after he had.

Then falsely accused me of making false allegations.

All I was saying was that his stead fast attempts to debunk the ttuth about the attempt on my life usinf VX nerve gas proved he was part of the crime in the cover-up; an accessory to attempted murder.

The whole thread was re-sequenced, I was first to use the word de-funked, as if to debunk my assertion that defunked is a little used word the pigs got Wales Today news to describe a life boat house in Tenby as defunked.

But it was a glaring misnomer and odd use of the word.

Look out for it to detect a conspiracy.

Yes the Wikipedia entries were added after the arguement started.

I did not fall into the trap of saying SO17 was what I really meant, so the defunked/misnomer sequence was altered to give the apearance of victory to an inferior enemy, the only way the Windsor-Bosh can win anything, by losing and pretending they won with yes men to confirm they did, all superficial.

I mean why have all those M.I organisations during WW2?

It is crap they had SOE Special Operations Executive not all that M.I crap they made up for Wikipedia.

Keystone wanted to dismis the internet as unreliable but changed her mind weeks later and cited the Wiki entires as proof.

When that thread started nothing came up when you googled M.I.7, now you get thousands of hits.

I even saw a sort of pop group once, some way into the thread when you could get 6 or 7 google results, but it came and went and I never bothered to click on it.

That is the shifting sands of cover-up by the government, people with big resources.

[edible]

the problem is that the moon spaceship THEORY is going to:

1) turn new people away from the truth genre.

2) move people who are already "awake" into the realm of theories

3) divide people who should be focusing on what they agree upon.


ps, moaning about forum costs when a book of theories is going for 20 pounds doesn´t wash.

That would be IN YOUR OPINION, right?

In more than just his opinion

[nirvana]

Im not telling him anything. £20 is a huge amount of money for some people and it will prohibit them buying it. Thats a fact.

People who may have listened to Icke totally ridicule him because of the whole reptile shape shifting thing and they turned away. What one shred of evidence has Icke ever provided for this? No proof whatsoever so yes - I am happy to call it crap because thats what it is.


The evidence is in the book if you dont buy the book you wont see the evidence. While im at it ive got a book comming out in september if anyone is interested? Its cutting edge science it can teach you to make £10,000,000,000 in 5years. It can teach you how to survive the astral realm. But also it teach's you how to survive the influence of the moon matrix.

Im only charging £10.00

:)

Pm me if your interested:rolleyes:

[i_am]

In more than just his opinion

I am aware of that but it is all just opinions.

To state as fact the problem is that the moon spaceship THEORY is going to: is as wrong as people say David is. It is their opinion, their theory and that is what they are being critical of David for. A tad hypocritical? At least he has done research to arrive at his opinion.

I find all of this quite bemusing since the book is not released yet, so people are forming their opinions on an advertising blurb. I, like most others, will reserve judgement until I read what he has to say and then I shall research it further.

As for those complaining about the cost, how much did you get paid for 12 months+? If you are prepared to pay for it do so. If not, don't..simples!!!

I never bought a book until Infinite Love. I borrowed from the library. Costs nothing!

[rodin]

How many agent provocateurs make threads on the david icke forum?
Answers on a post card.

About the same as most forums of this size I am guessing - maybe here gets a bit more attention per click than some...

We know there is an ORGANISED enemy, active, focused, unlike its victim which mostly walks around eyes shut or trying to work out which of 10,000 conspiracy theories is true...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/Megaphone_screenshot.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Megaphone

[binkbonk]

I think this is a good thread with relevant questions.

[hadabusa]

So you would rather he print the book and give it out for free, and thus never print another book for the rest of his life due to going out of business as a result?

personally, i dont care how much money he makes.

i mean , this moon matrix is fck jokes, but being jealous is more jokes.

[hadabusa]

You know Keystone is very dishonest.

He accused me of being delusional on the M.I.7 thread and then i pointed out on the Contel Pro techniques for subverting a forum that the trolls like to make a consensus and then he deleted the allegation and denyed ever making it and then demanded Bemore apologise to me for saying the same thing after he had.

Then falsely accused me of making false allegations.

All I was saying was that his stead fast attempts to debunk the ttuth about the attempt on my life usinf VX nerve gas proved he was part of the crime in the cover-up; an accessory to attempted murder.

The whole thread was re-sequenced, I was first to use the word de-funked, as if to debunk my assertion that defunked is a little used word the pigs got Wales Today news to describe a life boat house in Tenby as defunked.

But it was a glaring misnomer and odd use of the word.

Look out for it to detect a conspiracy.

Yes the Wikipedia entries were added after the arguement started.

I did not fall into the trap of saying SO17 was what I really meant, so the defunked/misnomer sequence was altered to give the apearance of victory to an inferior enemy, the only way the Windsor-Bosh can win anything, by losing and pretending they won with yes men to confirm they did, all superficial.

I mean why have all those M.I organisations during WW2?

It is crap they had SOE Special Operations Executive not all that M.I crap they made up for Wikipedia.

Keystone wanted to dismis the internet as unreliable but changed her mind weeks later and cited the Wiki entires as proof.

When that thread started nothing came up when you googled M.I.7, now you get thousands of hits.

I even saw a sort of pop group once, some way into the thread when you could get 6 or 7 google results, but it came and went and I never bothered to click on it.

That is the shifting sands of cover-up by the government, people with big resources.
wait, is keystone a "she"?
hows she a mason then?


:confused:

[pound]

He keeps asking me why I fill my head with shit.

Mmmm....I don't think the DI forums had anything to do with that!

*Just being honest:)

[pound]

No to both those questions.

I've already had my grips verified but thanks, and that's the thing. Those gripes are real and true, but shhhh...don't expose the truth. We don't want to mess with the great illusion in the name of it.

And now I'm skating on thin ice, so I'll STFU.

What do these so called "gripes" consist of? You've got me curious now:)

[pound]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058706873&postcount=103

The meat of the charge v Icke (note it is not so much a charge as insinuation...)



http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/01/19/tangled-web-he-weaves-who-behind-david-icke%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98freedom-foundation%E2%80%99-will-banyan-dece

The author of the piece offers a list of possibilities leaving out the most likely.

The IHC liked the idea of a reptilian narrative, and taking crop circles seriously, therefore Icke got approval.

Subsequently one party or the other thought better of the association. Whichever party cut the tie works for me.

Interestingly the Elephant in the Room piece was done around the time this association is calculated to have ended.

Also interestingly it is obvious an insider group were trying to twist the forum, I have first hand evidence of this, and this piece may come from them. They may have insider information, and may even have been party to setting up situations for such an occasion. Is this the best they can come up with in the way of a counter attack?

Probably this discourse is of little or no interest to Icke, but if it gains traction as an issue of import a statement about it should clear air. Mistakes are no problem if admitted etc.

It appears Mr. Banyan, the writer of this piece writes periodically for Duncan Rhodes ( a known enemy of Icke and his Reptilian theory and close confidant of Laurence Gardner the shape-shifting Order of the royal sovereign dragon initiate) the Chief editor over at NEXUS magazine. Banyan also seems to side with the Bronfman family judging by his empathetic approach.
Its obvious that they didn't like Icke from the get go, one can see right through their true intentions.

[pound]

the problem is that the moon spaceship THEORY is going to:

1) turn new people away from the truth genre.

2) move people who are already "awake" into the realm of theories

3) divide people who should be focusing on what they agree upon.


ps, moaning about forum costs when a book of theories is going for 20 pounds doesn´t wash.

1) It wasnt for them to begin with if theyre attitude is that way.

2) Pure speculation. You cant speak for everyone.

3) A wise individual would realize that everything is inter-connected and related to everything else. The proverbial 'spiderweb' that Icke talks about.

[pound]

Im not telling him anything. £20 is a huge amount of money for some people and it will prohibit them buying it. Thats a fact.

People who may have listened to Icke totally ridicule him because of the whole reptile shape shifting thing and they turned away. What one shred of evidence has Icke ever provided for this? No proof whatsoever so yes - I am happy to call it crap because thats what it is.


Contrary to popular belief (RE:dumbed down sheep) there is plenty of 'evidence'. People that scoff at the subject matter that Icke speaks of in his works without doing any thorough investigating of there own, IMO do themselves a huge disservice. But that is theyre perogative I suppose. Afterall, Ignorance is bliss...but only for so long:)

[catnap]

Well there you go, you've had your say. Evidently, many others do not feel the same way, and Icke does not believe it is "crap" either. Hence why he will continue talking and writing about it- despite what your opinion on the matter is.

Rather than do the easy thing and write a holier than thou answer how about you put some proof up of shape shifting reptiles running the world. Just one single piece of evidence. If its not crap then this should be really very easy for you shouldn't it?

[pound]

Rather than do the easy thing and write a holier than thou answer how about you put some proof up of shape shifting reptiles running the world. Just one single piece of evidence. If its not crap then this should be really very easy for you shouldn't it?


You know damn well that if that were to happen that footage would be confiscated and or taken down immediately by TPTB. Although the George Bush senior video by Humanswin is pretty damn convincing, and given what we know about Bush (cathy o'brien, arizona wilder, paul bonacci etc..) its probably a genuine video.

[brainfreeze]

Rather than do the easy thing and write a holier than thou answer how about you put some proof up of shape shifting reptiles running the world. Just one single piece of evidence. If its not crap then this should be really very easy for you shouldn't it?

It is crap. Ickes theory has been rejected by more people than accepted not because the majority are stupid, though that is how this forum would have you perceive it.

[pound]

It is crap. Ickes theory has been rejected by more people than accepted not because the majority are stupid, though that is how this forum would have you perceive it.

And the people doing the rejecting (due to a pad locked mind and heads in the sand) arent worth a pile of beans (not saying any names). So who cares what they think.



:)

[nirvana]

And the people doing the rejecting (due to a pad locked mind and heads in the sand) arent worth a pile of beans (not saying any names). So who cares what they think.



:)


You what?

If people reject ickes idea's they are pad locked and have heads in the sand? And arnt worth a pile of beans.:eek:

This is starting to sound very cultish

[brainfreeze]

And the people doing the rejecting (due to a pad locked mind and heads in the sand) arent worth a pile of beans (not saying any names). So who cares what they think.



:)

You what?

If people reject ickes idea's they are pad locked and have heads in the sand? And arnt worth a pile of beans.:eek:

This is starting to sound very cultish





or they end up with the likes of pound riding their arse with every post they make. Also, whenever you get wannabe gurus there has got to be a cult of sorts somewhere, I'm sure.

[nicolaj]

You what?


This is starting to sound very cultish

Very

[catnap]

You know damn well that if that were to happen that footage would be confiscated and or taken down immediately by TPTB. Although the George Bush senior video by Humanswin is pretty damn convincing, and given what we know about Bush (cathy o'brien, arizona wilder, paul bonacci etc..) its probably a genuine video.

How convenient more like! You are happy to put others down and to ridicule them and their posts and yet when asked for one little bit of proof you make excuses. Says it all really.

[sean]

Hi guys,

Just a note to remind everyone that abuse towards other posters on here, or towards Icke is not welcome. Accusations and derogatory remarks towards anybody are not what threads like this are for.

Stay on topic, and keep it civil.

[subl1minal]

I'm not surprised that Icke didn't want to have a forum! I wouldn't want one either knowing the crap that comes with it...but despite this, there has been some brilliant findings by some good people, so it's a double edge sword!

[hadabusa]

I'm not surprised that Icke didn't want to have a forum! I wouldn't want one either knowing the crap that comes with it...but despite this, there has been some brilliant findings by some good people, so it's a double edge sword!

but this sword is not equally sharp on both sides.

:D

[nirvana]

I'm not surprised that Icke didn't want to have a forum! I wouldn't want one either knowing the crap that comes with it...but despite this, there has been some brilliant findings by some good people, so it's a double edge sword!


You dont learn any truth without having lots arguments etc. We dealing with very deep things. If there was no-one bad mouthing or disagreeing ,i would find this alot worse.

I respect Icke as a person and Im sure icke has bad mouthed argued etc to clrify things for himself.:)

[jamesc]

Where do you draw the line in negativity and freedom of speech.I think the real negative and Icke suppressors are trying to create LOOP HOLES that disguise active and intentional negativity under the mask of freedom of speech.
I remember this saying below;

"I MAY NOT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT I WILL DEFEND YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT WITH MY LIFE".:cool:

[decode reality]

You what?

If people reject ickes idea's they are pad locked and have heads in the sand? And arnt worth a pile of beans.:eek:

This is starting to sound very cultish

"Cultish" is the word that passed through my head too. And I'm not talking about David. I'm referring to the attitudes of people towards anyone who hasn't said "YES, BRILLIANT! CAN'T WAIT TO READ ABOUT THIS NEW THEORY."

[curtaincat]

well, i have thought about the moon a lot, and so, therefore, really, i am looking forward to reading what david has to say.

i dont think i am cultish at all... and will be recomending the book to my library, therefore, lots of others can also read it. :cool:

peace everybody... why the disagreements?

loves ya all :);):p

[rodin]

but this sword is not equally sharp on both sides.

:D

lol

[rodin]

You dont learn any truth without having lots arguments etc. We dealing with very deep things.

Now there is sense :)

[nirvana]

"Cultish" is the word that passed through my head too. And I'm not talking about David. I'm referring to the attitudes of people towards anyone who hasn't said "YES, BRILLIANT! CAN'T WAIT TO READ ABOUT THIS NEW THEORY."


Yes thats right decode. We really need to watch we dont fall into the trap of just accepting something because its in a david icke book.

The world is a big place and nothing would surprise me these days.

I have respect for david because he just says what he feels he does not hold back.

Im abit like that myself :)

[diky]

And the people doing the rejecting (due to a pad locked mind and heads in the sand) arent worth a pile of beans (not saying any names). So who cares what they think.



:)

and what are mindless sycophants worth?

[_tzupidity]

I think we're past Cult and into Religion.

[novena shanty]

ok ,we can write about:

satanic ritual.
sacrifice.
illegal wars.
mind control.
manipulation of the human race.

we can't write about:

anything negative about a new £20 book theorising about the moon being a spaceship full of aliens.


let us have some perspective here....:confused:
;)

[gort]

Will this thread be locked?????

Given what I have seen and through communications off this forum with other members I guess it will be.

Firstly let me say I am not dissing David Icke in any way, I think he is a very brave man for how he has conducted his life and through his work I believe he probably has changed a lot of peoples views on the world.

Let me cut straight to the chase. Since news of Davids new book has arisen certain threads and posts have been removed that GO AGAINST Mr Icke. Given the subject matter and what is discussed every day here on this site I am very very surprised and the feeling in my heart is I AM SUSPICIOUS of why.

So David wants to advertise his new work to the people who come here, on the site that he built and runs. That is more than his right. But If I word myself against him in a certain way then my posts will be removed and I will get warnings (not me personally but people i know).

So any BAD IDEAS/VIEWS are basicly not tolerated. So where is the freedom of speech here????? Surely the mods are not that worried that people will turn ultra sheep and believe the negative comments that will then in turn stop books being sold?????

I dont want to disrupt and I say that this is my view only but I get the feeling after using this site for the time I have and what control I have seen put over it that...............

This site Is just a way of people to make money. David expresses himself in talks and in his books and on dvd but he never EVER that I know come on here and converse with anybody on what we discuss.

Thats because whatever he says would be rembered and possibly used against him in the future (my feelings)

David Icke to me feels like it is turning into a brand.

No...it is not a threat to the staus quo.