David Icke's "Moon Matrix"

[luciferhorus]

The text of the ad for advance sales of David's new Book includes the following text:


His most staggering revelation is that the Earth and the collective human mind is manipulated from the Moon, which, he says, is not a ‘heavenly body’, but an artificial construct – a gigantic ‘spacecraft’ (probably a hollowed-out 'planetoid') – which is home to the extraterrestrial group that has been manipulating humanity for aeons.

He describes what he calls the ‘Moon Matrix’, a fake reality broadcast from the Moon which is decoded by the human body/mind in much the same way as portrayed in the Matrix movie trilogy. The Moon Matrix has ‘hacked’ into the human ‘body-computer’ system, he says, and it is feeding us a manipulated sense of self and the world 24/7.

So not only is humanity controlled by shape shifting reptiles, but by aliens who live inside the Moon???????

Personally I rather admire David for numerous reasons, his attacks on the Capitalist establishment, his opposition to Freemasonry, his "Great Work" on 911 ("Alice in Wonderland") etc., however there are numerous aspects of his
writings which I simply cannot bring myself to agree with; he seems to have a habit of latching onto certain rather questionable testimonies (Such as Cathy O'Brien's Reptilian tales) and historical myths and attaching great factual importance to them, and this I think diminishes his credibility and makes him a source of ridicule. It is often impossible to speak of the many things which I believe him to be correct about without hearing the usual allegations of "reptilian shape-shifter" etc. I do admit to similar errors myself in the past however and attaching too much importance to ideas and myths which I now consider to be delusional.

This new theory of David Icke, that the Moon is a "giant spacecraft" seems to me to be a theory which I am sure his many critics will rejoice over, as there will be more fuel for the fires of ridicule.

I am aware that this is probably a rather stupid question, but does anyone have any idea what evidence his "The Moon as a Spaceship" theory is based upon?

Lux

[humason]

I am aware that this is probably a rather stupid question, but does anyone have any idea what evidence his "The Moon as a Spaceship" theory is based upon?

Lux

The Dahak trilogy by David Weber...
Mutineers' Moon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The book begins with a prologue recording a mutiny aboard the planetoid-sized Utu-class starship of the Fourth Imperium (a 7,000 year old technologically advanced multi-star system empire), the Dahak, led by its Chief of Engineering, the ambitious and psychopathic Captain Anu. Anu's ostensible reason for mutiny is to lead his followers to refuge on some remote planet where presumably the genocidal wrath of the "Achuultani", a mysterious alien race that periodically exterminates all intelligent life it can find, and which has destroyed the previous three Imperiums, will pass over them.

...

This impasse lasts for approximately 50,000 years, until the Earthling's early space program sends up one Lieutenant Commander Colin MacIntyre to map the dark side of the heavenly body Dahak had camouflaged itself as —the Moon — as a "dress rehearsal" for a similar trip scheduled for Mars."


Only answer I can think of.... :D But then again, it all sounds like Scientology to me :D

[zero1]

The text of the ad for advance sales of David's new Book includes the following text:


His most staggering revelation is that the Earth and the collective human mind is manipulated from the Moon, which, he says, is not a ‘heavenly body’, but an artificial construct – a gigantic ‘spacecraft’ (probably a hollowed-out 'planetoid') – which is home to the extraterrestrial group that has been manipulating humanity for aeons.

He describes what he calls the ‘Moon Matrix’, a fake reality broadcast from the Moon which is decoded by the human body/mind in much the same way as portrayed in the Matrix movie trilogy. The Moon Matrix has ‘hacked’ into the human ‘body-computer’ system, he says, and it is feeding us a manipulated sense of self and the world 24/7.

So not only is humanity controlled by shape shifting reptiles, but by aliens who live inside the Moon???????

Personally I rather admire David for numerous reasons, his attacks on the Capitalist establishment, his opposition to Freemasonry, his "Great Work" on 911 ("Alice in Wonderland") etc., however there are numerous aspects of his
writings which I simply cannot bring myself to agree with; he seems to have a habit of latching onto certain rather questionable testimonies (Such as Cathy O'Brien's Reptilian tales) and historical myths and attaching great factual importance to them, and this I think diminishes his credibility and makes him a source of ridicule. It is often impossible to speak of the many things which I believe him to be correct about without hearing the usual allegations of "reptilian shape-shifter" etc. I do admit to similar errors myself in the past however and attaching too much importance to ideas and myths which I now consider to be delusional.

This new theory of David Icke, that the Moon is a "giant spacecraft" seems to me to be a theory which I am sure his many critics will rejoice over, as there will be more fuel for the fires of ridicule.

I am aware that this is probably a rather stupid question, but does anyone have any idea what evidence his "The Moon as a Spaceship" theory is based upon?

Lux

"Moon Matrix".

>sigh<

28-Day Lunar Calendar Mysteries?

edit; I don't even wanna go there...

[zero1]

I've a feeling, regardless of what may be behind it, that Icke's "Moon Matrix" theory will be the last straw even for those who were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt; await the deluge of ridicule and merciless mockery from the world, David.

[bougz]

I excepted this idea, seen proof around us atleast what we assume as proof of these reptilian race beings. So they don't control or do they have a claw in it with these beings chilling on or in the spacecraft, planetoid? are these the beings worse than the norm reptilians? Or Mabye the royal dracos are aboard? Queeny herself? I can't believe that we got any human base on the moon.

[luciferhorus]

I've a feeling, regardless of what may be behind it, that Icke's "Moon Matrix" theory will be the last straw even for those who were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt; await the deluge of ridicule and merciless mockery from the world, David.

Yes it is very much a shame; the shape shifting reptilian theory was bad enough but now "the Moon is not a planet but a giant spacecraft" theory is just going to add fuel to the fire of his many enemies.

I should just add to this by saying that there are numerous suspiciously doctored NASA photographs of the Moon and I am entirely open to the view that there are man made structures on the Moon; however I base that on a study of numerous photographs; however it is rather a giant leap to claim that the Moon is a large spacecraft inhabited by aliens who are exerting a malevolent control over us.


Oh dear

Lux

[lightgiver]

Yes it is very much a shame; the shape shifting reptilian theory was bad enough but now "the Moon is not a planet but a giant spacecraft" theory is just going to add fuel to the fire of his many enemies.

I should just add to this by saying that there are numerous suspiciously doctored NASA photographs of the Moon and I am entirely open to the view that there are man made structures on the Moon; however I base that on a study of numerous photographs; however it is rather a giant leap to claim that the Moon is a large spacecraft inhabited by aliens who are exerting a malevolent control over us.


Oh dear

Lux

Have you ever been to the moon?:)

So you are a believer in the information that NASA the capitalistic propaganda space information centre broadcasts(oh dear),I am sure they hide quite a lot of information.

Freemasons in Space:
http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/spacemason/

Famous aerospace author and photographer, Jim Goodall, a curator of Seattle Museum of Flight, citing Lockheed Skunk Works chief Ben Rich

We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.. anything you can imagine we already know how to do.

Lockheed Skunk Works Chief Ben Rich remark to Jim Goodall - YouTube

[siliconpsychosis]

The idea of a matrix moon feels wholly plausible to me.

[dreamweaver]

I am aware that this is probably a rather stupid question, but does anyone have any idea what evidence his "The Moon as a Spaceship" theory is based upon?

Well, it's not even his idea for starters. I remember people talking about this idea in the early 90s. No idea who originated it though.

Shockwaves on the moon seem to resonate quite a bit longer than they do on earth and at least one scientist has used the expression that it "rings like a bell", which may be what leads some people to think it's hollow.

I'll have to go and do some research of my own to find out more about where this idea came from though. I have to agree with you, of all the theories that David could cover, this seems a pretty weak choice.

[dreamweaver]

Spaceship Moon Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia gives two Russian researchers postulating the hollow moon idea in 1970 - the claim isn't cited though.

It's quite possible that articles about this theory in the 1970s gave George Lucas the idea for his Death Star, of course. There have been science fiction stories about creatures living inside the moon going back much further, e.g. HG Wells, Jules Verne.

I've not looked at this in any depth yet but I would have thought that the moon's gravitation and orbit etc make it extremely unlikely that it could be hollow. But I'm sure David can sell a lot of books by saying it is...

[lightgiver]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaceship_Moon_Theory gives two Russian researchers postulating the hollow moon idea in 1970 - the claim isn't cited though.

It's quite possible that articles about this theory in the 1970s gave George Lucas the idea for his Death Star, of course. There have been science fiction stories about creatures living inside the moon going back much further, e.g. HG Wells, Jules Verne.

I've not looked at this in any depth yet but I would have thought that the moon's gravitation and orbit etc make it extremely unlikely that it could be hollow. But I'm sure David can sell a lot of books by saying it is...

Have you been to the moon also?:) did you go with Lucifer horus the morning star.

The Stranglers - Rok it to the Moon - YouTube

The Stranglers - Rok it to the Moon

[dreamweaver]

Have you been to the moon also?:) did you go with Lucifer horus the morning star.

:rolleyes:

You can walk to your local library to establish that HG Wells and Jules Verne wrote stories about creatures living inside a hollow moon. Go on, the fresh air and exercise will do you good.

[dreamweaver]

If anyone wants to see a more serious answer to the question of whether the moon is hollow, rather than the current bout of yah-boo silliness, check out http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=738 (fairly technical) and http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=102 (very basic).

[luciferhorus]

Have you ever been to the moon?:)

So you are a believer in the information that NASA the capitalistic propaganda space information centre broadcasts(oh dear),I am sure they hide quite a lot of information.

Freemasons in Space:
http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/spacemason/

Famous aerospace author and photographer, Jim Goodall, a curator of Seattle Museum of Flight, citing Lockheed Skunk Works chief Ben Rich

We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.. anything you can imagine we already know how to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQqkQdQrsC8

I am not at all suggesting that the "official" position taken by NASA is to be trusted. On the contrary. I have looked at much of the "Disclosure Project" material and it seems very convincing.

Further with regards to "black projects" and advanced technology by the Americans in particular, it does seem to be the case that there are a lot of inexplicable objects flying around our skies using some form of advanced flight technology; this would certainly explain the comments in the video above regarding the Americans having secret technologies which are "50 years" ahead of what we can even imagine.

I have also looked at the doctored NASA photos of the Moon which appear to have been photoshopped to hide what appears to be man made objects and it does seem to me that the existence of some kind of "Moon Base" is highly probable.

Of course many forms of "advanced" science may seem to be "unbelievable" to us however none of the evidence on the "Moon" that I know of adds up to the conclusion that the "Moon is a giant spacecraft" with a hollow core containing a civilisation of aliens who are controlling us; that seems to me to be an incredible leap; I am merely raising the question of "what is the evidence for this?" which is an entirely rational question.

I happen to think that many of Icke's so called "conspiracy theories" actually constitute a insightful historical analysis of the facts of state control and Capitalist control, and I share his analysis of the events of 911 and a number of other false flag scenarios, however I am entirely unable to agree with everything he writes and I don't consider it to be healthy to suspend critical thinking with regards to anyone and to descend into personality cultism; unfortunately I do think that Icke's admirers are guilty of personality cultism and cling to his every word as if the "Gospel Truth" to Christians.

Icke often in his writings has a similar tendency as Michael Tsarion and Jeremiah Sitchen to take some ancient myth and interpret it as if it must relate to empirical facts, and offer their own dogmatic interpretation of that; I have in the past been rather guilty of this myself particularly during periods of heavy psychoactive use; however this is simply not an "historical method."

Lux

[Ian2day]

The text of the ad for advance sales of David's new Book includes the following text:


His most staggering revelation is that the Earth and the collective human mind is manipulated from the Moon, which, he says, is not a ‘heavenly body’, but an artificial construct – a gigantic ‘spacecraft’ (probably a hollowed-out 'planetoid') – which is home to the extraterrestrial group that has been manipulating humanity for aeons.

He describes what he calls the ‘Moon Matrix’, a fake reality broadcast from the Moon which is decoded by the human body/mind in much the same way as portrayed in the Matrix movie trilogy. The Moon Matrix has ‘hacked’ into the human ‘body-computer’ system, he says, and it is feeding us a manipulated sense of self and the world 24/7.

So not only is humanity controlled by shape shifting reptiles, but by aliens who live inside the Moon???????

Personally I rather admire David for numerous reasons, his attacks on the Capitalist establishment, his opposition to Freemasonry, his "Great Work" on 911 ("Alice in Wonderland") etc., however there are numerous aspects of his
writings which I simply cannot bring myself to agree with; he seems to have a habit of latching onto certain rather questionable testimonies (Such as Cathy O'Brien's Reptilian tales) and historical myths and attaching great factual importance to them, and this I think diminishes his credibility and makes him a source of ridicule. It is often impossible to speak of the many things which I believe him to be correct about without hearing the usual allegations of "reptilian shape-shifter" etc. I do admit to similar errors myself in the past however and attaching too much importance to ideas and myths which I now consider to be delusional.

This new theory of David Icke, that the Moon is a "giant spacecraft" seems to me to be a theory which I am sure his many critics will rejoice over, as there will be more fuel for the fires of ridicule.

I am aware that this is probably a rather stupid question, but does anyone have any idea what evidence his "The Moon as a Spaceship" theory is based upon?

Lux


Copy and pasting some old posts of mine.

[dunadan]

[QUOTE=luciferhorus;1058703893]The text of the ad for advance sales of David's new Book includes the following text:


His most staggering revelation is that the Earth and the collective human mind is manipulated from the Moon, which, he says, is not a ‘heavenly body’, but an artificial construct – a gigantic ‘spacecraft’ (probably a hollowed-out 'planetoid') – which is home to the extraterrestrial group that has been manipulating humanity for aeons.

He describes what he calls the ‘Moon Matrix’, a fake reality broadcast from the Moon which is decoded by the human body/mind in much the same way as portrayed in the Matrix movie trilogy. The Moon Matrix has ‘hacked’ into the human ‘body-computer’ system, he says, and it is feeding us a manipulated sense of self and the world 24/7.

So not only is humanity controlled by shape shifting reptiles, but by aliens who live inside the Moon???????

Personally I rather admire David for numerous reasons, his attacks on the Capitalist establishment, his opposition to Freemasonry, his "Great Work" on 911 ("Alice in Wonderland") etc., however there are numerous aspects of his
writings which I simply cannot bring myself to agree with; he seems to have a habit of latching onto certain rather questionable testimonies (Such as Cathy O'Brien's Reptilian tales) and historical myths and attaching great factual importance to them, and this I think diminishes his credibility and makes him a source of ridicule. It is often impossible to speak of the many things which I believe him to be correct about without hearing the usual allegations of "reptilian shape-shifter" etc. I do admit to similar errors myself in the past however and attaching too much importance to ideas and myths which I now consider to be delusional.

This new theory of David Icke, that the Moon is a "giant spacecraft" seems to me to be a theory which I am sure his many critics will rejoice over, as there will be more fuel for the fires of ridicule.

I am aware that this is probably a rather stupid question, but does anyone have any idea what evidence his "The Moon as a Spaceship" theory is based upon?

Lux.

Does anyone remember The Clangers? - maybe there is a Soup Dragon in there somewhere - whoops here I go again ranting about Oliver Postgate and his work;- witches, dragons, aliens, hollow planets etc etc:D

Seriously I cant wait to see the evidence for this latest revelation.

[dreamweaver]

Copy and pasting some old posts of mine.

Oh, I should have realised he'd stolen it from you. How silly of me. ;)

How did those Russian guys in 1970 nick it from you though? :confused:

[lightgiver]

:rolleyes:

You can walk to your local library to establish that HG Wells and Jules Verne wrote stories about creatures living inside a hollow moon. Go on, the fresh air and exercise will do you good.

Maybe you need some also for your tiny pea brain,fresh air that is,I assure you I get plenty.

Unless you have been to the moon all you can do is assume,regardless of what sci fi writers state,wasn't the earth flat not long ago.

I am not at all suggesting that the "official" position taken by NASA is to be trusted. On the contrary. I have looked at much of the "Disclosure Project" material and it seems very convincing.

Further with regards to "black projects" and advanced technology by the Americans in particular, it does seem to be the case that there are a lot of inexplicable objects flying around our skies using some form of advanced flight technology.

I have also looked at the doctored NASA photos of the Moon which appear to have been photoshopped to hide what appears to be man made objects and it does seem to me that the existence of some kind of "Moon Base" is highly probable.

Of course many forms of "advanced" science may seem to be "unbelievable" to us however none of the evidence on the "Moon" that I know of adds up to the conclusion that the "Moon is a giant spacecraft" with a hollow core containing a civilisation of aliens who are controlling us; that seems to me to be an incredible leap; I am merely raising the question of "what is the evidence for this?" which is an entirely rational question.

I happen to think that many of Icke's so called "conspiracy theories" actually constitute a insightful historical analysis of the facts of state control and Capitalist control, and I share his analysis of the events of 911 and a number of other false flag scenarios, however I am entirely unable to agree with everything he writes and I don't consider it to be healthy to suspend critical thinking with regards to anyone and to descend into personality cultism; unfortunately I do think that Icke's admirers are guilty of personality cultism and cling to his every word as if the "Gospel Truth" to Christians.

Icke often in his writings has a similar tendency as Michael Tsarion and Jeremiah Sitchen to take some ancient myth and interpret it as if it must relate to empirical facts, and offer their own dogmatic interpretation of that; I have in the past been rather guilty of this myself particularly during periods of heavy psychoactive use; however this is simply not an "historical method."

Lux

I just asked have you been too or on the moon?

[siliconpsychosis]

Maybe the moon is a worm hole exit/entrance point. A 'spaceship' that exited a wormhole (near Earth) and established itself as a 'bridge'.

[lightgiver]

Maybe the moon is a worm hole exit/entrance point. A 'spaceship' that exited a wormhole (near Earth) and established itself as a 'bridge'.

No one on here really knows what it is, because they have never been.:)

[dreamweaver]

Maybe you need some also for your tiny pea brain,fresh air that is,I assure you I get plenty.

Unless you have been to the moon all you can do is assume,regardless of what sci fi writers state,wasn't the earth flat not long ago.

If you haven't been to the North Pole, how do you know it's not a lush jungle with banana trees and spider monkeys leaping from branch to branch? :rolleyes:

In the words of Suniti Karunatillake, author of the article I cited above, fine-scale variation (e.g., variation along the orbit of the Lunar Prospector orbiter) of the lunar gravitational field is consistent with geological processes involving a crust, mantle, and core.

But you can go and buy the book if it makes you happy.

As for "tiny pea brain", my posts on here can be put alongside yours any time to show how vastly superior my intellect is to yours. Let's face it, if your brain was a nuclear weapon, there wouldn't be enough to blow your nose.

[dunadan]

Have you ever been to the moon?:)

So you are a believer in the information that NASA the capitalistic propaganda space information centre broadcasts(oh dear),I am sure they hide quite a lot of information.

Freemasons in Space:
http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/spacemason/

Famous aerospace author and photographer, Jim Goodall, a curator of Seattle Museum of Flight, citing Lockheed Skunk Works chief Ben Rich

We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.. anything you can imagine we already know how to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQqkQdQrsC8

Yeah this was probably nicked from the Miles company all those years ago. Sounds just like plain old fashioned boasting to my mind.

Although 'dougnuts on a rope' - does get one thinking.

I still have to get my head around the issue of humans surviving when going through the VH Belt etc.

Also why can't the American military master 'vectored thrust' with their JSF Fighter etc.? They should be the experts on the subject when one thinks of such craft as the Lunar Lander etc.. The only nation to master such flight - with the Harrier - is the Brits, with the Russians coming-in, in second place. The Amercian military bought the rights for the Harrier and updated the wings etc. = AV8. Yet they, to date, do not, as such, have an operational 'jump jet' of their own - why?

There is the collective consciousness thing though - with the alien war and kick starting - human/earthling - life here. I have written of similar myself.
The reptilian thing is something I had considered as a child - so did many of my friends - so where did those 'thoughts' come from as such were much earlier than 'V'.

The research and the supporting evidence will be very interesting for the support of the 'moon matrix theory' - I am looking foward to hearing more!

I liked the link re. Freemasons in space - we guessed (an educated guess) that they would be involved!

[lightgiver]

If you haven't been to the North Pole, how do you know it's not a lush jungle with banana trees and spider monkeys leaping from branch to branch? :rolleyes:

In the words of Suniti Karunatillake, author of the article I cited above, fine-scale variation (e.g., variation along the orbit of the Lunar Prospector orbiter) of the lunar gravitational field is consistent with geological processes involving a crust, mantle, and core.

But you can go and buy the book if it makes you happy.

As for "tiny pea brain", my posts on here can be put alongside yours any time to show how vastly superior my intellect is to yours.

How do you know I have not been to the north pole :confused:

It looks to me some on here are just out to ridicule D Icke on his own Forum,per usual.

Just because they minds are to closed.

How do I know he wrote that book,maybe he got the info of someone else,Mr Suniti Karunatillake,has he been to the moon also.:)never mind to the core.LOL.

Hey I notice how all these rebels believe the Official moon story from the officialdom, but give any other alternative and its all the way to the Mental health ward.

Maybe LH and co are really masons in disguise.LOL.

I reckon the clangers still live there.

Clangers : The Intruder - YouTube

Clangers : The Intruder

[dreamweaver]

Maybe LH and co are really masons in disguise.LOL.

I haven't actually read many of LH's posts as he doesn't generally post in topic areas that interest me. But it looks like you and he have "history" on here - in which case, I'll leave you to it.

[lightgiver]

I haven't actually read many of LH's posts as he doesn't generally post in topic areas that interest me. But it looks like you and he have "history" on here - in which case, I'll leave you to it.

I do not have a history with anyone,I am just asking has anyone been too or on the moon.:)

Lunar Anomalies indicate an Artificial Moon,

http://keelynet.com/unclass/luna.htm

On officialdom, As NASA scientist Robin Brett aptly summarized, "It seems easier to explain the non-existence of the moon than it's existence." But of course, the moon exists. Why or how it exists remains a mystery.

[timelord]

Scientific question, is our moon closer to our planet that say Mars's moon are to their 'parent' planet?

[dunadan]

The Clangers - I love those little guys:D

[dreamweaver]

I do not have a history with anyone,I am just asking has anyone been too or on the moon.:)

And as I already pointed out, using that rationale you could say only people who have been to the North Pole (or on top of Everest or wherever) can truly know what the climate is like there. On a philosophical level that is correct, but it's not a very useful stance to take.

If you really want to take such a stance, you should follow your own advice and not hold any opinions about the moon until you've been there yourself. Good luck! :)

As for the article you've just cited from a "woo woo" site, if that's the best you've got, I'll stick with the proper science boys thanks.

[Ian2day]

Oh, I should have realised he'd stolen it from you. How silly of me. ;)

How did those Russian guys in 1970 nick it from you though? :confused:

Perhaps we are related! The Clangers use to give me strange dreams when I was younger.

One idea of mine is that the Reptillian broadcasts from the Moon, to the earth, all the Intellectual Property ideas etc, for the human collective consciousness to receive and distribute. These thoughts, innovations and ideas are picked up by our RNA/DNA body ariel. This information is decoded and constructed into conscious thoughts inside our brains when we are confronted with combinations of archetypes and environmental stimuli.

Our brains decode the information by a means of combining sugar, salts, water etc from food and other intoxicants with amino acids and hormones etc into a circuitry of biological crystals. This is what leads to the construction of a 3d 5sense hollographic Moon matrix reality. With our perception and manipulation of reality, dependant upon the chemical composition that the crystals formed in the brain are configured with.

If the crystals are not intune with those arround us. We are deemed to be at odds with the real physical world. When in actual fact we are in tune with a different version of the world. That is that in the multi-verse there coexists many earths, that we can switch between dependant on our beliefs, thoughts, feelings and food.

Our bodies act as a DNA/RNA decoder, with us able to change the viewing cards biological crystal circuitry. We can manipulate our sourroundings between altered states of awareness and perception. Creating reality in a collective or for some more individual way.

The mass processed food is combined in our bodies with the media constructed version of reality to enslave us in this 3d five sense world. In some of a certain bloodline of belief of belonging too. Tptb when they find them, trigger a compromised spiritual awakening. In the hope of actioning negative thought behaviour long enough to prevent individuals from Ascending to the next level of the LIFE game.

Living Inside Foreign Entity is a game that some ET's visit this 3d 5sense reality planet to play, (with the Moon being a waystation to recieve subconscious training, instructions and directions). Having goals, tasks and lessons that have to be achieved before advancement (Ascension) to the next level of the LIFE game can take place. Some of these tasks are routine like preparing a healthy nutritious meal. Other tasks are things like learning how to meditate, balance Chakras, astral project, heal, love, forgive, sacrifice etc.

I could expand more, but I expect Icke will say more in his book.;)

[lightgiver]

And as I already pointed out, using that rationale you could say only people who have been to the North Pole (or on top of Everest or wherever) can truly know what the climate is like there. On a philosophical level that is correct, but it's not a very useful stance to take.

If you really want to take such a stance, you should follow your own advice and not hold any opinions about the moon until you've been there yourself. Good luck! :)

As for the article you've just cited from a "woo woo" site, if that's the best you've got, I'll stick with the proper science boys thanks.

I will refer you to your previous post,you have no proof of the what the moon is,but are quick to judge.


On officialdom, As NASA scientist Robin Brett aptly summarized, "It seems easier to explain the non-existence of the moon than it's existence." But of course, the moon exists. Why or how it exists remains a mystery.

If anyone wants to see a more serious answer to the question of whether the moon is hollow, rather than the current bout of yah-boo silliness, check out http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=738 (fairly technical) and http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=102 (very basic).

http://keelynet.com/unclass/luna.htm

Don't be blinded by the moon:

President Barack Obama plans to junk the moon project
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/feb/21/co-dont-be-blinded-by-the-moon/

There is no proof whether the moon is hollow or not.FACT.

[dreamweaver]

I will refer you to your previous post,you have no proof of the what the moon is,but are quick to judge.

There are these things called "measurements". Scientists work things out by making calculations based on these measurements. That is why they think the moon has a crust, mantle and core.

Stop me if this is getting too complicated for you.

[lightgiver]

There are these things called "measurements". Scientists work things out by making calculations based on these measurements. That is why they think the moon has a crust, mantle and core.

Stop me if this is getting too complicated for you.

Oh yeah we can really trust the official scientists.:D

Do you know any personaly.

It is you who are over complicating matters with your scientific facts,and I really do not see any,only assumptions.

How deep in the earth have you been?

[dunadan]

I do not have a history with anyone,I am just asking has anyone been too or on the moon.:)

Lunar Anomalies indicate an Artificial Moon,

http://keelynet.com/unclass/luna.htm

On officialdom, As NASA scientist Robin Brett aptly summarized, "It seems easier to explain the non-existence of the moon than it's existence." But of course, the moon exists. Why or how it exists remains a mystery.

You are right it is a mystery - in our collective consciousness many sort of know that the moon seems sort of 'constructed' or conviently placed etc. - at a basic level. Without it the Tides would not function, the moon also acts as foil for astoroids etc.

Also what about the so called quotes from the early 'moon landings' - intercepted by amatuer - radio - hams.

"I can see them sir - omg - across the otherside of the creator, other spaceships already here, they're massive etc etc." (in precis and not verbatim).

Claims of aliens mining the moon etc...

Virtually every maned mission has reported UFO activity.

I blow hot and cold bewteen did they go or not? I believe that the photos of the moon landings were doctored/faked - the reasons? Well of course either they didnt go - as with Capricorn 1 or they did go and they had to delete certain elements from the photos etc - for obvious reasons.

[lightgiver]

I do not have a history with anyone,I am just asking has anyone been too or on the moon.:)

Lunar Anomalies indicate an Artificial Moon,

http://keelynet.com/unclass/luna.htm

On officialdom, As NASA scientist Robin Brett aptly summarized, "It seems easier to explain the non-existence of the moon than it's existence." But of course, the moon exists. Why or how it exists remains a mystery.

You are right it is a mystery - in our collective consciousness many sort of know that the moon seems sort of 'constructed' or conviently placed etc. - at a basic level. Without it the Tides would not function, the moon also acts as foil for astoroids etc.

Also what about the so called quotes from the early 'moon landings' - intercepted by amatuer - radio - hams.

"I can see them sir - omg - across the otherside of the creator, other spaceships already here, they're massive etc etc." (in precis and not verbatim).

Claims of aliens mining the moon etc...

Virtually every maned mission has reported UFO activity.

I blow hot and cold bewteen did they go or not? I believe that the photos of the moon landings were doctored/faked - the reasons? Well of course either they didnt go - as with Capricorn 1 or they did go and they had to delete certain elements from the photos etc - for obvious reasons.

Another interesting fact,

Night-lighting and the moon

The word "menstruation" is etymologically related to "moon". The terms "menstruation" and "menses" are derived from the Latin mensis (month), which in turn relates to the Greek mene (moon) and to the roots of the English words month and moon—reflecting the fact that the moon also takes 27.32 days to revolve around the Earth. The synodical lunar month, the period between two new moons (or full moons), is 29.53 days long.

Some authors believe women in traditional societies without night-lighting ovulated with the full moon and menstruated with the new moon. A few studies in both humans and animals have found that artificial light at night does influence the menstrual cycle in humans and the estrus cycle in mice cycles are more regular in the absence of artificial light at night), though none have demonstrated the synchronization of women's menstrual cycles with the lunar cycle. It has also been suggested that bright light exposure in the morning promotes more regular cycles.

[neutron flux]

No one on here really knows what it is, because they have never been.

David Icke has never been to the moon - so how can he know?

[dreamweaver]

the official scientists

:D:D:D

Of course, these "official scientist" fools with their PhDs can't possibly know as much as the average internet thicko who wants to feel special by thinking he sees "hidden knowledge" that the brainwashed masses can't.

But if you are just pretending to be thick and can really follow a proper scientific paper, check this out: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/281/5382/1476

As for how deep I've been into the earth, I've been down one or two coal mines. If you're trying to suggest that the earth is hollow also, then you'll need to explain why every seismic experiment that has ever taken place consistently records refractions of P-waves and S-waves that reinforce the idea of a crust, mantle and core. But I guess all geologists and scientists are "official scientists" too and therefore part of the conspiracy.

Why are you still expressing an opinion on the moon when you haven't been there anyway? Do you only apply this rule to others and not yourself? There's a word for people who don't follow the rules they expect others to follow, isn't there? Hypocrite.

[Ian2day]

Ickes hypothesis is going to be backed by watching Star Wars!?! :D

[dreamweaver]

Also what about the so called quotes from the early 'moon landings' - intercepted by amatuer - radio - hams.

"I can see them sir - omg - across the otherside of the creator, other spaceships already here, they're massive etc etc." (in precis and not verbatim).

Those would be the completely made-up ones that have been rebuffed over and over again, wouldn't they?

Are you one of those "special" woo woos who believes "we never went to the moon and when we did there were space aliens telling us not to go back"?

[lightgiver]

David Icke has never been to the moon - so how can he know?

How does anyone know :confused:

I am sure he and others have done a bit more research into it than most of us,LOL.

and the only other are the NASA accounts,and some believe they never even went to the moon ,that it was some kind of Kubrick holy wood production.

so many theories and most on here including me only have assumptions.

So IMHO the moon could be anything.

:D:D:D

Of course, these "official scientist" fools with their PhDs can't possibly know as much as the average internet thicko who wants to feel special by thinking he sees "hidden knowledge" that the brainwashed masses can't.

But if you are just pretending to be thick and can really follow a proper scientific paper, check this out: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/281/5382/1476

As for how deep I've been into the earth, I've been down one or two coal mines. If you're trying to suggest that the earth is hollow also, then you'll need to explain why every seismic experiment that has ever taken place consistently records refractions of P-waves and S-waves that reinforce the idea of a crust, mantle and core. But I guess all geologists and scientists are "official scientists" too and therefore part of the conspiracy.

Why are you still expressing an opinion on the moon when you haven't been there anyway? Do you only apply this rule to others and not yourself? There's a word for people who don't follow the rules they expect others to follow, isn't there? Hypocrite.

whatever you say,none of those scientists have been to the moon.

[dunadan]

[QUOTE=dunadan;1058706000]

Another interesting fact,

Night-lighting and the moon

The word "menstruation" is etymologically related to "moon". The terms "menstruation" and "menses" are derived from the Latin mensis (month), which in turn relates to the Greek mene (moon) and to the roots of the English words month and moon—reflecting the fact that the moon also takes 27.32 days to revolve around the Earth. The synodical lunar month, the period between two new moons (or full moons), is 29.53 days long.

Some authors believe women in traditional societies without night-lighting ovulated with the full moon and menstruated with the new moon. A few studies in both humans and animals have found that artificial light at night does influence the menstrual cycle in humans and the estrus cycle in mice cycles are more regular in the absence of artificial light at night), though none have demonstrated the synchronization of women's menstrual cycles with the lunar cycle. It has also been suggested that bright light exposure in the morning promotes more regular cycles.

This would also tie in with the Star Fire issue too.

We, as humans, are made up of a large percentage of liquids which as you mention can be influenced by the moon. It is very much like our reduced life spans, our inability to manufacture vitamin C (when almost all other animals can) - even the scientists say that we should live to 140 years of age. All of these things, including the moon, do seem to be well, almost, 'engineered' etc.

Our 'fall from grace' - of humanity - also seems that we were further genetically modified at that time post Adama and Lilleth - The Beautiful Dragon Queen of the Anunnaki or Adama and Eve - of Elda etc.

[dreamweaver]

whatever you say,none of those scientists have been to the moon.
And neither have you, so why don't you STFU already? :D

Even if these scientists had set foot on the moon's surface, why would that give them any more data than was given to them by measurements from the Lunar Prospector's orbit?

[lightgiver]

And neither have you, so why don't you STFU already? :D

Even if these scientists had set foot on the moon's surface, why would that give them any more data than was given to them by measurements from the Lunar Prospector's orbit?

Have you been to the moon? Yes or No.

Have those scientists been on the Moon?Yes or No.



This would also tie in with the Star Fire issue too.

We, as humans, are made up of a large percentage of liquids which as you mention can be influenced by the moon. It is very much like our reduced life spans, our inability to manufacture vitamin C (when almost all other animals can) - even the scientists say that we should live to 140 years of age. All of these things, including the moon, do seem to be well, almost, 'engineered' etc.

Our 'fall from grace' - of humanity - also seems that we were further genetically modified at that time post Adama and Lilleth - The Beautiful Dragon Queen of the Anunnaki or Adama and Eve - of Elda etc.

I am sure there is some connection.

[dunadan]

Those would be the completely made-up ones that have been rebuffed over and over again, wouldn't they?

Are you one of those "special" woo woos who believes "we never went to the moon and when we did there were space aliens telling us not to go back"?

I must presume that you were there - so that you can provide me with the undeniable proof that these so called 'space aliens' didnt do so/say such

I am just being open-minded.

You seem to be trying to make a snap judgement about me - yet you do not know me?

BTW I know - and have known - several Ph.D's - and I would like to give you some friendly advice;- you mustn't confuse so called knowledge with wisdom.

"Sophorum Lapis Non Datur Lupus":)

[dunadan]

:D:D:D

Of course, these "official scientist" fools with their PhDs can't possibly know as much as the average internet thicko who wants to feel special by thinking he sees "hidden knowledge" that the brainwashed masses can't.

But if you are just pretending to be thick and can really follow a proper scientific paper, check this out: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/281/5382/1476

As for how deep I've been into the earth, I've been down one or two coal mines. If you're trying to suggest that the earth is hollow also, then you'll need to explain why every seismic experiment that has ever taken place consistently records refractions of P-waves and S-waves that reinforce the idea of a crust, mantle and core. But I guess all geologists and scientists are "official scientists" too and therefore part of the conspiracy.

Why are you still expressing an opinion on the moon when you haven't been there anyway? Do you only apply this rule to others and not yourself? There's a word for people who don't follow the rules they expect others to follow, isn't there? Hypocrite.

I have to agree here - that is my interpretation too. Yet there are some fascinating issues surrounding ancient caves with so called mysterious mining techniques having been used - techniques which are now only recently being used by humans..........

[dreamweaver]

Your comment makes no sense - what are you endeavouring to say?
It makes perfect sense when you understand that it is common for people with a certain mindset to claim that man never landed on the moon and then in the next breath say that space aliens warned the Apollo astronauts (who weren't really there, remember) off the moon.

I actually thought it was lightgiver who had come out with the above, so apologies for that, someone messed up the quote tags it seems.

The alleged quote from Neil Armstrong, for your information, is one of those internet urban legends that has done the rounds for a couple of decades. This supposed recording has never been shown to exist. Some astronauts do say they have seen UFOs etc up there, but what I'm saying is that the infamous Armstrong quote you mentioned is almost certainly an urban legend.

Oh, and if you haven't come across the term "woo woo" before, in this context it means people who believe any "out there" theory purely because it is "out there". The term is thought to come from the eerie synth music that they used to have in those old 1950s sci-fi movies.

[mauviene]

I personally think David Icke is an inside job. So when he says the earth is controlled by a fake moon spaceship through broadcasting systems..I think he might mean that there are bases on the moon controlling the earth.

Like I said..I think the guy is an inside job who writes in code.

[dreamweaver]

Have you been to the moon? Yes or No.

Have those scientists been on the Moon?Yes or No.


Have you? No.

So why don't you follow your own rule and STFU about the moon?

[lightgiver]

Have you? No.

So why don't you follow your own rule and STFU about the moon?

NO:) and no i have never been to the moon only in my dreams.LOL.

You have never been to the moon so you have no idea what is up there.

Have you read the book yet?

WOMEN'S MOON LODGE

Women's Moon Lodge and Guide to Moon's Affect on Menstrual Cycle and Menopause:

"The Moon Lodge is the place of women, where women gather during their menstrual time to be at-one with each other and the changes occurring in their bodies. Long ago, during this special time of moon cycles, women were removed from duties of family and allowed to retreat to the Moon Lodge to enjoy the company of their Sisters.

http://www.moonsurfing.com/moonlodge.html

[dreamweaver]

NO:) and no i have never been to the moon only in my dreams.LOL.

You have never been to the moon so you have no idea what is up there.

And neither have you.

However, plenty of probes have been up there and taken measurements (e.g. gravity readings and variations of orbit), even if you don't believe the Apollo landings happened. Those measurements are sufficient to make an intelligent analysis of the internal structure of the moon, as already outlined in http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/281/5382/1476

If you think instruments and measurements are no substitute for having a man standing there, then I trust you'll never take a plane flight in fog (how can they fly if they can't see where they're going?) or undergo an operation after a scan (how can they operate when they haven't been in there to see for themselves?). Seriously, your "have they been there?" logic is infantile.

Have you read the book yet?

Whose book? Icke's? I thought it hadn't been published yet?

Women's Moon Lodge and Guide to Moon's Affect on Menstrual Cycle and Menopause:

"The Moon Lodge is the place of women, where women gather during their menstrual time to be at-one with each other and the changes occurring in their bodies. Long ago, during this special time of moon cycles, women were removed from duties of family and allowed to retreat to the Moon Lodge to enjoy the company of their Sisters.

Relevance to a discussion of whether or not the moon is hollow?

[dreamweaver]

Two members of the Soviet Academy of Sciences have recently come up with the theory that the moon is a huge, hollowed-out planetoid that was sent into orbit around our world billions of years ago. They believe that the moon was hollowed out artificially, which means that it was done by some intelligence.

Thanks for digging that up. I wouldn't call a theory from 1970 "recent", though, would you?

Anyway, don't you have work to do tomorrow? I need some shut-eye, so if you want to flood the thread with loads more cut and pastes, fill your boots. ;)

[mauviene]

WHY IS THE MOON HOLLOW AS RUSSIAN AND AMERICAN SCIENTISTS DISCOVERED, IS THE MOON A SPACESHIP?:

Have you ever seen a spaceship when you were out for an evening stroll? You may think not, but you may be wrong.
It's just possible that the moon is a spaceship. Don Wilson, author of the best-selling book, Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon, thinks so, and so do some scientists in the Soviet Union.

http://users.belgacom.net/gc674645/grave/moon.htm

Two members of the Soviet Academy of Sciences have recently come up with the theory that the moon is a huge, hollowed-out planetoid that was sent into orbit around our world billions of years ago. They believe that the moon was hollowed out artificially, which means that it was done by some intelligence.



Another Russian scientist, who has studied the moons of Mars, thinks that they, too, are hollow, and that they might be space stations. It seems that the Soviets came to this startling conclusion because the dark part of the moons, which we can't see from earth, is filled with oceans of metallic rock. This hard metal is corrosion-resistant titanium, and we use it in the manufacture of supersonic jets and spacecraft here on earth.

Several American studies tend to agree with the Russian theory that the moon is hollow and that it became so by active interference on the part of some unknown aliens. Unusual activity has been noted on the moon for at least 100 years. NASA admitted recently that a mysterious force on the moon had caused a remote-controlled scientific station set up by astronauts to behave in an unexpected manner.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7265/128736923702145466.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/128736923702145466.jpg/)

You know..if its true I won't be surprised..

[luciferhorus]

It makes perfect sense when you understand that it is common for people with a certain mindset to claim that man never landed on the moon and then in the next breath say that space aliens warned the Apollo astronauts (who weren't really there, remember) off the moon.

I actually thought it was lightgiver who had come out with the above, so apologies for that, someone messed up the quote tags it seems.

The alleged quote from Neil Armstrong, for your information, is one of those internet urban legends that has done the rounds for a couple of decades. This supposed recording has never been shown to exist. Some astronauts do say they have seen UFOs etc up there, but what I'm saying is that the infamous Armstrong quote you mentioned is almost certainly an urban legend.

Oh, and if you haven't come across the term "woo woo" before, in this context it means people who believe any "out there" theory purely because it is "out there". The term is thought to come from the eerie synth music that they used to have in those old 1950s sci-fi movies.

Conspiracy Theories

I am often reminded of the Mel Gibson Conspiracy Theory movie where Gibson plays the role of a person who sends out mailshots to a mailing list regarding his numerous rather wacky "Conspiracy Theories" however it just so happens that one of his Conspiracy Theories is true and he then becomes the object of a manhunt to kill him and destroy the evidence.

I did come across a title in a bookshop called "1001 Conspiracy Theories" and flicking through it, it seemed that beside all the "wacky conspiracy theories" were many things that appear to be entirely unwhacky, historical and widely accepted, such as the Kennedy assassination being simply a military coup, followed by an organised government cover up, something that probably most Americans now accept as a reality.

This is a central problem with "conspiracy theories" that the "whacky conspiracy theories" are often rather entwined with historical analysis and often by the same individuals.

For example the CIA / the US military have a history of black operations and false flag operations where the evidence is sufficent to convince any historian who is not merely a government propagandist. With David Icke for example, I got a copy of his 911 analysis (Alice in Wonderland) soon after it was published and it is a rather excellent and well written analysis; further his views are shared by many scientists, engineeers, architects, physicists, pilots and military personnel of the 911 truth movement; it is "not" at all a "whacky" conspiracy theory to anyone who is "not" either a government propagandist or a person who is gullible enough to believe anything their government and media tells them.

One of the problems with all this is that genuine historical analysis of state terrorism / narco-terrorism, false flags etc., is intermingled with a great deal of "Whacky" conspiracy theories such as "shape shifting reptilians" and now the "Moon is a giant spacecraft."

Frankly I am quite convinced by the photographic evidence that the Apollo 11 Moon landing was photographed in studio conditions; just as with 911, there are simply too many discrepancies which do not add up, however this view is also shared by professional photographers and scientists who have also examined the evidence. The testimonials presented by the "Disclosure Project" are also convincing enough to convince me that NASA doctors evidence and that this is mixted together with scientific evidence, making them on the whole entirely unreliable. However it simply does not follow from this that every other aspect of UFOlogy, "aliens ate my baby" tales and Moon conspiracy theories are correct.

Further since it is entirely probable that since the Anglo-American state terrorists manipulate the media and have armies of professional Internet activists, that it is indeed they themselves who are responsible for the dissemination of rather incredulous conspiracy theories which become associated with genuine historical analysis of state terrorist conspiracies.

Lux

[lightgiver]

:) nothing surprises me these days.LOL.

You know..if its true I won't be surprised..


WHY IS THE MOON HOLLOW AS RUSSIAN AND AMERICAN SCIENTISTS DISCOVERED, IS THE MOON A SPACESHIP?:

Have you ever seen a spaceship when you were out for an evening stroll? You may think not, but you may be wrong.
It's just possible that the moon is a spaceship. Don Wilson, author of the best-selling book, Our Mysterious Spaceship Moon, thinks so, and so do some scientists in the Soviet Union.

http://users.belgacom.net/gc674645/grave/moon.htm

Two members of the Soviet Academy of Sciences have recently come up with the theory that the moon is a huge, hollowed-out planetoid that was sent into orbit around our world billions of years ago. They believe that the moon was hollowed out artificially, which means that it was done by some intelligence.



Another Russian scientist, who has studied the moons of Mars, thinks that they, too, are hollow, and that they might be space stations. It seems that the Soviets came to this startling conclusion because the dark part of the moons, which we can't see from earth, is filled with oceans of metallic rock. This hard metal is corrosion-resistant titanium, and we use it in the manufacture of supersonic jets and spacecraft here on earth.

Several American studies tend to agree with the Russian theory that the moon is hollow and that it became so by active interference on the part of some unknown aliens. Unusual activity has been noted on the moon for at least 100 years. NASA admitted recently that a mysterious force on the moon had caused a remote-controlled scientific station set up by astronauts to behave in an unexpected manner.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7265/128736923702145466.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/128736923702145466.jpg/)

Alien Moon Bases: Glenn Steckling Pt.1
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

"Intelligent beings from other planets regularly visit our world in an effort to enter into contact with us. I have encountered various ships during my space voyages. NASA and the American government know this and posses a great deal of evidence. Nevertheless, they remain silent in order to not alarm the people."
Astronaut Gordon Cooper - Los Angeles Herald Examiner - Aug 15, 1976.

[morphal]

I just heard that in the 60s Russian researchers were obsessed with the idea that Phobos of Mars was artificial and hollow, due to it's anomalies. Weird.

"Because of its remarkable orbit - an orbital period of only seven hours 38 minutes and a barely inclined path - they thought it was hollow and artificial."

http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/12/01/bizarre-nasa-picture/did-strange-mars-debris-come-from-ufo-crash.html

[pound]

[QUOTE=lightgiver;1058706007]

This would also tie in with the Star Fire issue too.

We, as humans, are made up of a large percentage of liquids which as you mention can be influenced by the moon. It is very much like our reduced life spans, our inability to manufacture vitamin C (when almost all other animals can) - even the scientists say that we should live to 140 years of age. All of these things, including the moon, do seem to be well, almost, 'engineered' etc.

Our 'fall from grace' - of humanity - also seems that we were further genetically modified at that time post Adama and Lilleth - The Beautiful Dragon Queen of the Anunnaki or Adama and Eve - of Elda etc.

Laurence Gardner (order of the sovereign dragon) the man some of Ickes contacts identified as a 'shape shifter' writes extensively on this so called menstrual blood IE "starfire", very interesting stuff indeed (wouldnt surprise me at all if he indulges himself in this drinking practice).
Also of note is that Arizona Wilders code name amongst these elite circles was 'Star fire'.

[pound]

It makes perfect sense when you understand that it is common for people with a certain mindset to claim that man never landed on the moon and then in the next breath say that space aliens warned the Apollo astronauts (who weren't really there, remember) off the moon.

I actually thought it was lightgiver who had come out with the above, so apologies for that, someone messed up the quote tags it seems.

The alleged quote from Neil Armstrong, for your information, is one of those internet urban legends that has done the rounds for a couple of decades. This supposed recording has never been shown to exist. Some astronauts do say they have seen UFOs etc up there, but what I'm saying is that the infamous Armstrong quote you mentioned is almost certainly an urban legend.

Oh, and if you haven't come across the term "woo woo" before, in this context it means people who believe any "out there" theory purely because it is "out there". The term is thought to come from the eerie synth music that they used to have in those old 1950s sci-fi movies.

I don't know...lol Things are looking pretty bad for NASA these days. Theyve proven themselves to be untrustworthy over and over again.
David Mcgowan just recently wrote a fantastic piece on the whole apollo hoax, it is well worth the read, and it totally changed my mind:

As it turns out, however, NASA doesn’t actually have all of that Moonwalking footage anymore. Truth be told, they don’t have any of it. According to the agency, all the tapes were lost back in the late 1970s. All 700 cartons of them. As Reuters reported on August 15, 2006, “The U.S. government has misplaced the original recording of the first moon landing, including astronaut Neil Armstrong’s famous ‘one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind’ … Armstrong’s famous moonwalk, seen by millions of viewers on July 20, 1969, is among transmissions that NASA has failed to turn up in a year of searching, spokesman Grey Hautaluoma said. ‘We haven’t seen them for quite a while. We’ve been looking for over a year, and they haven’t turned up,’ Hautaluoma said … In all, some 700 boxes of transmissions from the Apollo lunar missions are missing.”

Given that these tapes allegedly documented an unprecedented and unduplicated historical event, one that is said to be the greatest technological achievement of the twentieth century, how in the world would it be possible to, uhmm, ‘lose’ 700 cartons of them? Would not an irreplaceable national treasure such as that be very carefully inventoried and locked away in a secure film vault? And would not copies have been made, and would not those copies also be securely tucked away somewhere? Come to think of it, would not multiple copies have been made for study by the scientific and academic communities?



Had NASA claimed that a few tapes, or even a few cartons of tapes, had been misplaced, then maybe we could give them the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps some careless NASA employee, for example, absent-mindedly taped a Super Bowl game over one of them. Or maybe some home porn. But does it really seem at all credible to claim that the entire collection of tapes has gone missing – all 700 cartons of them, the entire film record of the alleged Moon landings? In what alternative reality would that happen ‘accidentally’?



Some of you are probably thinking that everyone has already seen the footage anyway, when it was allegedly broadcast live back in the late 1960s and early 1970s, or on NASA’s website, or on YouTube, or on numerous television documentaries. But you would be mistaken. The truth is that the original footage has never been aired, anytime or anywhere – and now, since the tapes seem to have conveniently gone missing, it quite obviously never will be.



http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/index.html

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One of the problems with all this is that genuine historical analysis of state terrorism / narco-terrorism, false flags etc., is intermingled with a great deal of "Whacky" conspiracy theories such as "shape shifting reptilians" and now the "Moon is a giant spacecraft."


Taken out of context and spun in a manner as to ridicule Icke, sure the 'reptilian' theory can sound a bit wacky for the uninitiated. But realistically to anyone who has thoroughly studied the information and actually took the time to research the subject from A to Z will realize immediately that it isnt in the least 'whacky' as you put it.
In fact Ickes hypotheses are the best that Ive ever seen anyone compile and put forth on the subject of 'reptilians'. He leaves no stone unturned in his quest for the truth. The Nephilim/watcher/Annunaki/Reptilian connection is totally plausible, especially in the context that Icke relates it.
............Im not too familiar with the 'moon as a spacecraft' theory though. But Im totally open and excited to read what Icke has to say about it:)

[mauviene]

Some points I suppose..

Why doesn't the moon fall in with the gravitational pull of the earth?( have not found a suitable answer)

Why is the moon the same apparent size as the sun?(answer is the moon is 400 times smaller from the sun but coincidentally 400 times further away). Hmm?
.

For that reason..why don't all planets fall into the gravitational pull of the sun?

(someone care to provide me with some scientific theories?)

In fact..am I out of my mind to question the very existence of space itself?

[luciferhorus]

Why doesn't the moon fall in with the gravitational pull of the earth?( have not found a suitable answer)

If you throw a piece of non magnetic clothing into a washing machine, the centrifugal forces throw the piece of clothing to the outside of the machine away from the central spinning axis. If you use magnets (since the earth and all the planets are negative magnets and the sun is a giant positive magnet) and spin negative magnets around a positive magnet you will get the same effect; however this all depends on the power of the magnets, if you use a very powerful positive magnet at the centre all the other magnets will just come crashing into it and stick to it. The gravity of the earth is simply not strong enough to pull the Moon crashing into the earth.

why don't all planets fall into the gravitational pull of the sun?

We have fallen into the gravitational pull of the sun; the magnetism of the sun is so great that the earth "is" slowly being pulled into the sun, as are all other objects spinning around our sun; thankfully due to centrifugal forces, it will take many millions of years before we even get as close as the oribit of Venus; it is a slow gradual process, but in time the earth will inevitably die.

In fact..am I out of my mind to question the very existence of space itself?[/

No but there are many scientific questions about the universe which science either cannot yet answer or can only try to answer with "theories;" religionists always seem to have an answer for everything, but "I don't know" is often a very acceptible answer. As the forfather of quantum physics once stated "(I paraphrase) If your think you understand the quantum world, then you don't really understand it." The existence of the universe itself is a great mystery; it should not really exist, but it does.

{EDIT}
Actually that is not quite scientifically correct. I just found this:

Put a weight on a string and spin it. At some point let it go. Do this several times and note where the weight goes. Without the string, the weight goes in a straight line in the direction it was traveling when you let go. (Well, gravity makes the weight go to the ground.) The string represents the gravity of the sun.

The weight would tend to go straight if there were no string (gravity). There is no such thing as centrifugal force. The forces involved are the centripetal force of the string or gravity and the momentum of the weight or earth which causes it to tend to go in a straight line. Our orbit is the balance of these two forces.

Centrifugal force is the name people give to the force they think is pulling away from the center. No force is pulling away from the center. One force (momentum) is causing the object to travel at a tangent to the orbit and the other force (gravity) is causing the object to go towards the source of the gravity.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070608140850AAofgdT

Lux

[marpat]

The text of the ad for advance sales of David's new Book includes the following text:


His most staggering revelation is that the Earth and the collective human mind is manipulated from the Moon, which, he says, is not a ‘heavenly body’, but an artificial construct – a gigantic ‘spacecraft’ (probably a hollowed-out 'planetoid') – which is home to the extraterrestrial group that has been manipulating humanity for aeons.

He describes what he calls the ‘Moon Matrix’, a fake reality broadcast from the Moon which is decoded by the human body/mind in much the same way as portrayed in the Matrix movie trilogy. The Moon Matrix has ‘hacked’ into the human ‘body-computer’ system, he says, and it is feeding us a manipulated sense of self and the world 24/7.

So not only is humanity controlled by shape shifting reptiles, but by aliens who live inside the Moon???????

Personally I rather admire David for numerous reasons, his attacks on the Capitalist establishment, his opposition to Freemasonry, his "Great Work" on 911 ("Alice in Wonderland") etc., however there are numerous aspects of his
writings which I simply cannot bring myself to agree with; he seems to have a habit of latching onto certain rather questionable testimonies (Such as Cathy O'Brien's Reptilian tales) and historical myths and attaching great factual importance to them, and this I think diminishes his credibility and makes him a source of ridicule. It is often impossible to speak of the many things which I believe him to be correct about without hearing the usual allegations of "reptilian shape-shifter" etc. I do admit to similar errors myself in the past however and attaching too much importance to ideas and myths which I now consider to be delusional.

This new theory of David Icke, that the Moon is a "giant spacecraft" seems to me to be a theory which I am sure his many critics will rejoice over, as there will be more fuel for the fires of ridicule.

I am aware that this is probably a rather stupid question, but does anyone have any idea what evidence his "The Moon as a Spaceship" theory is based upon?

Lux

Must have been digging his star wars vids out again. The death star is operational it would seem :D

Personally I think his reptilian possessed friend Credo is messing his mind up by using an etheric rapport.

[dreamweaver]

David Mcgowan just recently wrote a fantastic piece on the whole apollo hoax, it is well worth the read, and it totally changed my mind:

Given the quote I just saw about "missing Nasa tapes", it is "fantastic" in the most literal sense.

What went missing was just some of the slow scan footage of the 1969 event, all of which was readily transferred to broadcast video. There's a very comprehensive article about what went missing and what is still retained at Apollo 11 missing tapes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Apollo 11 was the only mission to use the slow scan system projected onto a screen anyway. All the subsequent missions (you are aware there was more than one, right?) used better technology. I'm sorry you found that particular pack of lies to be convincing.

[marpat]

Taken out of context and spun in a manner as to ridicule Icke, sure the 'reptilian' theory can sound a bit wacky for the uninitiated. But realistically to anyone who has thoroughly studied the information and actually took the time to research the subject from A to Z will realize immediately that it isnt in the least 'whacky' as you put it.
In fact Ickes hypotheses are the best that Ive ever seen anyone compile and put forth on the subject of 'reptilians'. He leaves no stone unturned in his quest for the truth. The Nephilim/watcher/Annunaki/Reptilian connection is totally plausible, especially in the context that Icke relates it.
............Im not too familiar with the 'moon as a spacecraft' theory though. But Im totally open and excited to read what Icke has to say about it:)

So you have to be initiated into the reptilian theory?

[marpat]

You know..if its true I won't be surprised..

What, that the death start might be modelled after and actual moon?

[skaff]

Oh my God! It's the Truman Show!!

[dreamweaver]

So you have to be initiated into the reptilian theory?

I'm not sure I want to go there. :eek:

[dunadan]

[QUOTE=dunadan;1058706022]

Laurence Gardner (order of the sovereign dragon) the man some of Ickes contacts identified as a 'shape shifter' writes extensively on this so called menstrual blood IE "starfire", very interesting stuff indeed (wouldnt surprise me at all if he indulges himself in this drinking practice).
Also of note is that Arizona Wilders code name amongst these elite circles was 'Star fire'.

Yes very interesting.

When I was at college a guy muscled in as a part-time lecturer, he was quite big in the city etc. (I was told to beware of him 'as he seems like a phsyhic vampire' and before the phrase was popularised had; 'something of the night about him' - he did have a very strange aura to him. I was also warned of the Order which he belonged to and references were made to the City of London being their stomping ground etc.), one of my college friends knew him and had worked with him in the past - coincidence? He told me that this guy was into the Star-Fire stuff (he didnt call it that though) and that this guy always made a move on certain types of women (employees etc. anyone who he had power over). Even though I was getting into so called 'conspiracy theories' at the time - I found the stories hard to swallow - no pun intended:D. Yet here I am years later - and over the past six years or so - reading of such pratices.

[dunadan]

It makes perfect sense when you understand that it is common for people with a certain mindset to claim that man never landed on the moon and then in the next breath say that space aliens warned the Apollo astronauts (who weren't really there, remember) off the moon.

I actually thought it was lightgiver who had come out with the above, so apologies for that, someone messed up the quote tags it seems.

The alleged quote from Neil Armstrong, for your information, is one of those internet urban legends that has done the rounds for a couple of decades. This supposed recording has never been shown to exist. Some astronauts do say they have seen UFOs etc up there, but what I'm saying is that the infamous Armstrong quote you mentioned is almost certainly an urban legend.

Oh, and if you haven't come across the term "woo woo" before, in this context it means people who believe any "out there" theory purely because it is "out there". The term is thought to come from the eerie synth music that they used to have in those old 1950s sci-fi movies.

Thanks I thought I had heard the term before yet couldnt place it.

No I dont want to believe in 'every out there theory' - as it would make life much simpler if there were not so many theories/muddied waters. I just keep an open mind, and as has been said before, sometimes a truth is sandwiched between two lies and/or vice versa.

I take on board the urban myth issue - yet I thought that, in this instance, it was pre-internet etc. Amateur Hams, the Russians et al picked up on the radio transmissions and it was then that the story came out - and was not 'reverse engineered' so to speak. I guess more research is required on this aspect of the matter - I wonder if Mr. icke will mention such in the new book?

As said before maned space flight is, so say, regularly buzzed by UFO's.

[dreamweaver]

I take on board the urban myth issue - yet I thought that, in this instance, it was pre-internet etc. Amateur Hams, the Russians et al picked up on the radio transmissions and it was then that the story came out - and was not 'reverse engineered' so to speak.

The thing is that there lots of amateur hams who were monitoring the transmissions and yet not one of them ever come forward to say they actually heard these words?

There were also plenty of amateur astronomers who were tracking the vessel itself along its entire trajectory from earth to the moon and back. "Moon hoax" proponents tend to dismiss these people and the radio hams, conveniently enough.

Don't get me wrong, I think that there have been several UFO sightings by astronauts up there and that they have been told to STFU about them, I'm just saying that this specific story has a strong whiff of urban legend.

[flyermay]

Some points I suppose..

Why doesn't the moon fall in with the gravitational pull of the earth?( have not found a suitable answer)

The fact is that the Moon is constantly falling towards the Earth, but it will never get there because its speed is just enough to keep it in orbit.

Why is the moon the same apparent size as the sun?(answer is the moon is 400 times smaller from the sun but coincidentally 400 times further away). Hmm?

in the same why as when you hold a coin pointing towards the sun and both appear to have the same size; it's just a matter of distance and perspective.

For that reason..why don't all planets fall into the gravitational pull of the sun?

(someone care to provide me with some scientific theories?)


Because - as with the moon- they are in orbit around the sun. The sun attracts them all, and this combined with their inertial forces makes them travel in perpetual circular/elliptical orbits. If the force of inertial was smaller, then they would crash with the sun; and if the force of inertia was bigger, then they would travel away from the solar system. The planets closer to the sun or with a bigger mass need a bigger inertial force to stay in orbit; while the planets further away from the sun or with a smaller mass need less inertia.

[flyermay]

IMO it doesn't matter if Icke is right about this new theory; mainly because we will never know if it's true or not and because there is very little we can do about it.

But on the other hand, what does matter -as LH said- is the impact it will have on Icke and his other theories.

For example: you can ask anyone that is not into conspiracy theories about Icke, and the first thing he will tell you is that Icke is the loony that believes reptilians run the world, and that that's enough for him to know that all he says is just delusion.

I'm not saying he should keep these theories for himself; at the contrary, I think he should keep on writing and researching these subjects if he really believes them. But there is no doubt that they do have a negative effect on the truth-seeker movement; as they will set back many people who are starting to question the official version about his other theories (911, NWO, Bilderberg, banking, etc.).

[elo_zorn]

IMO it doesn't matter if Icke is right about this new theory; mainly because we will never know if it's true or not and because there is very little we can do about it.


Very true...I'm starting to see a trend in all these "superstar" conspiracy "researchers" work. They all build you up with verifiable information, and then keep you spinning in circles with an ideas that could never be verified unless it materialized (for example, the Queen busting a shapeshift on live TV, or aliens buzzing out of the moon like angry hornets after NASA "bombed" them with that satelite hahaha...).

Wasn't Icke supposed to drop the conspiracy angle, and actually start writing about things that can help change things? Being aware is one thing, but focussing solely on knowing every detail of every little conspiracy behind every event is hardly productive...in fact it's quite the opposite. Icke even makes a habit of bashing new age ideas, saying they're repackaged religions acting as gatekeepers and then does the same thing by offering a modern day Garden of Eden theory! Can't wait to hear the "solid" evidence he has of this lunar spaceship hahaha...

[skaff]

IMO it doesn't matter if Icke is right about this new theory; mainly because we will never know if it's true or not and because there is very little we can do about it.

But on the other hand, what does matter -as LH said- is the impact it will have on Icke and his other theories.

For example: you can ask anyone that is not into conspiracy theories about Icke, and the first thing he will tell you is that Icke is the loony that believes reptilians run the world, and that that's enough for him to know that all he says is just delusion.

I'm not saying he should keep these theories for himself; at the contrary, I think he should keep on writing and researching these subjects if he really believes them. But there is no doubt that they do have a negative effect on the truth-seeker movement; as they will set back many people who are starting to question the official version about his other theories (911, NWO, Bilderberg, banking, etc.).


I tell you what Flyer. We often don't see eye to eye on things but i couldn't agree with you more here. Great post!

[flyermay]

Very true...I'm starting to see a trend in all these "superstar" conspiracy "researchers" work. They all build you up with verifiable information, and then keep you spinning in circles with an ideas that could never be verified unless it materialized (for example, the Queen busting a shapeshift on live TV, or aliens buzzing out of the moon like angry hornets after NASA "bombed" them with that satelite hahaha...).

Wasn't Icke supposed to drop the conspiracy angle, and actually start writing about things that can help change things? Being aware is one thing, but focussing solely on knowing every detail of every little conspiracy behind every event is hardly productive...in fact it's quite the opposite. Icke even makes a habit of bashing new age ideas, saying they're repackaged religions acting as gatekeepers and then does the same thing by offering a modern day Garden of Eden theory! Can't wait to hear the "solid" evidence he has of this lunar spaceship hahaha...

I know what you mean. I've also noticed that many researchers do that, and also noticed that they do it on purpose. But IMO opinion, I think that Icke honestly believes his theories, and that's what makes him stand out from the rest.

I tell you what Flyer. We often don't see eye to eye on things but i couldn't agree with you more here. Great post!

Thanks,

That's why I find this forum so interesting, because -even though most of us agree in many things- we disagree in many other (as it should be).

[zero1]

The "Moon Matrix" theory, though no doubt there is some esoteric (hidden) religious secret (arcana) behind it (whoever Icke's real sources are, maybe that 'Lodge of Angels' that sticks in my head, they're feeding him progressively inane shit that may or may not be true that is very difficult to either prove or disprove), it has given me a very strong 'last straw' feeling and basically fried the last suspension-of-disbelief circuits in my brain that enabled me to abide here in respect of David Icke. So, does anyone have any suggestions as to where disaffected and dis-illusioned members of this good forum can go to discuss similar subjects and topics, but without the insipid and destructive public ridicule? This is becoming a dangerous place to be.

[marpat]

I see the thread is degenerating in to another lets ridicule Icke,same old shit.

Why, just because people are questioning his latest idea, stolen straight from star wars.

[lightgiver]

Yawn.

I see the thread is degenerating in to another lets ridicule Icke,same old shit,and the same old ones doing the ridiculing.

[stewart edwards]

So, does anyone have any suggestions as to where disaffected and dis-illusioned members of this good forum can go to discuss similar subjects and topics, but without the insipid and destructive public ridicule? This is becoming a dangerous place to be.zero1, as you use a penname does it matter?

For me I am going to wait to read the book to see what it actually says. Though I will wait until I can buy from amazon for the free postage.

As you know, over the years I have been extensively ridiculed, told that I am suffering from a mental illness, tried make look stupid etc primarily by some in the masonic community, as evidinced over recent months here. Once my books are available globally I suspect that it will restart. To quote Homer Simpson, Let the baby have its bottle.

I normally find that out of Davids books, about 50 pages are of use to me. If the remaining 650 aren't then so be it. I would be amazed if David wasnt expecting ridicule, and it will be interesting to work out why he has written what he has. Remember he may be using "moon matrix" as a "mental construct" - a different framework to encourage thought and understanding, as opposed to "physical reality". Time will tell.

[zero1]

zero1, as you use a penname does it matter?

I hope it doesn't, I really do. But I am slightly paranoid about it.

For me I am going to wait to read the book to see what it actually says. Though I will wait until I can buy from amazon for the free postage.

You get free postage & packaging on Amazon these days? Go Capitalism! :D:p

As you know, over the years I have been extensively ridiculed, told that I am suffering from a mental illness, tried make look stupid etc primarily by some in the masonic community, as evidenced over recent months here. Once my books are available globally I suspect that it will restart. To quote Homer Simpson, Let the baby have its bottle.

You're not crazy, you're very brave; you must have a strong mind to handle all of that. When are your books going global?

I normally find that out of Davids books, about 50 pages are of use to me. If the remaining 650 aren't then so be it. I would be amazed if David wasnt expecting ridicule, and it will be interesting to work out why he has written what he has. Remember he may be using "moon matrix" as a "mental construct" - a different framework to encourage thought and understanding, as opposed to "physical reality". Time will tell

Sure will. :) Thanks for posting, Stewart.

[dunadan]

The thing is that there lots of amateur hams who were monitoring the transmissions and yet not one of them ever come forward to say they actually heard these words?

There were also plenty of amateur astronomers who were tracking the vessel itself along its entire trajectory from earth to the moon and back. "Moon hoax" proponents tend to dismiss these people and the radio hams, conveniently enough.

Don't get me wrong, I think that there have been several UFO sightings by astronauts up there and that they have been told to STFU about them, I'm just saying that this specific story has a strong whiff of urban legend.

I seem to remember a 'Newspaper' article on the subject of that quotation - many, many years ago.

In the last year or so I have favoured (60/40) the view that they did go to the moon - yet that the photos were faked/doctored etc. - because of said astronomers et al.

I guess that we will have to leave it at that:)

[marpat]

Yawn.

Probably one of your more intelligent response, and not a cut and paste as well. Well done

[elo_zorn]

I see the thread is degenerating in to another lets ridicule Icke,same old shit,and the same old ones doing the ridiculing.


It's not degenerating, the thread was started as a critique. Why don't you add something (something original and not just your usualy copy+paste spamming) instead of attacking everyone who disagrees with you?

[stewart edwards]

You're not crazy, you're very brave; you must have a strong mind to handle all of that.It annoys me more than it bothers me. And it annoys me for if the masonic world can't act in accordance with its own tenets then what hope is there for us profane folk?

When are your books going global?All three should be available globally within a couple of months.

[lightgiver]

It's not degenerating, the thread was started as a critique. Why don't you add something (something original and not just your usualy copy+paste spamming) instead of attacking everyone who disagrees with you?

Yeah you are full of critique,what's it to you what I copy and paste.

If you don't like what you see then I would advise you not to read it.

Probably one of your more intelligent response, and not a cut and paste as well. Well done

I do not suffer from delusions of grandeur pretending to be serving in HM Forces.

I never knew they had a conspiracy forum branch of HM forces,fight the war on all fronts eh.:rolleyes:

Marpat the only member of HM forces who has spent 2 years posting on this and other forums slagging Icke and forum members off :confused:

Now any serving member of HM forces would know this to be impossible due to HM forces being rather busy in a time of war.

I suppose naivety is the dish of the day.

[brainfreeze]

Yeah you are full of critique,what's it to you what I copy and paste.

If you don't like what you see then I would advise you not to read it.

Ya godda love a man who has got an opinion of his own :rolleyes:

[lightgiver]

Ya godda love a man who has got an opinion of his own :rolleyes:

So what do you advise :confused:

you appear to have plenty.

[marpat]

Yeah you are full of critique,what's it to you what I copy and paste.

If you don't like what you see then I would advise you not to read it.



I do not suffer from delusions of grandeur pretending to be serving in HM Forces.

I never knew they had a conspiracy forum branch of HM forces,fight the war on all fronts eh.:rolleyes:

Marpat the only member of HM forces who has spent 2 years posting on this and other forums slagging Icke and forum members off :confused:

Now any serving member of HM forces would know this to be impossible due to HM forces being rather busy in a time of war.

I suppose naivety is the dish of the day.

You truly are a one man thread derailer

[lightgiver]

You truly are a one man thread derailer

No force to attend to in the morning in your imaginary world :rolleyes:

It is becoming quite comical

[marpat]

No force to attend to in the morning in your imaginary world :rolleyes:

It is becoming quite comical

It is funny that you always make a total arse of yourself. Perhaps you have a cut and paste answer to that

[brainfreeze]

So what do you advise :confused:

you appear to have plenty.

I'd advise you continue as you do, that way peeps can see you for the copy and paste artist you are and skip past, or go to the original source for their opinion rather than seek unoriginal comment from you.

[lightgiver]

I'd advise you continue as you do, that way peeps can see you for the copy and paste artist you are and skip past, or go to the original source for their opinion rather than seek unoriginal comment from you.

I am yet to hear anything informative come from you apart from bullshit and shit stirring.

It is funny that you always make a total arse of yourself. Perhaps you have a cut and paste answer to that

and the same goes for you,Invisible force person.

[brainfreeze]

I am yet to hear anything informative come from you apart from from bullshit and shit stirring.

Oh you meant disagreeing. You lot don't like that, do you?

You'd prefer it if I were a sycophant, but the forum is already full of them.

[lightgiver]

Oh you meant disagreeing. You lot don't like that, do you?

You'd prefer it if I were a sycophant, but the forum is already full of them.

It is not disagreeing, I am sure some people on here are not aware of what they post,have you not noticed it always gets personal,attack the messenger and not the message,per usual.

it is all rather boring.

Zero 1 sums it up ,

So, does anyone have any suggestions as to where disaffected and dis-illusioned members of this good forum can go to discuss similar subjects and topics, but without the insipid and destructive public ridicule? This is becoming a dangerous place to be.

[elo_zorn]

Yeah you are full of critique,

Yes I am full of critique, and rightfully so.

what's it to you what I copy and paste

Well it's spamming, which is quite annoying to have to scroll through when reading threads and half the time you don't even cite your sources. You even reply to people personal questions towards you with links and copy+pastes...instead of googling your responses, try searching your brain for a change.

If you don't like what you see then I would advise you not to read it.

Trust me, I don't read your massive chunks of cut and paste/linking...it just tends to stick out amongst posts where people actually have something original to add, and then when you start insulting, attacking and derailing as per usual it makes it very hard not to say anything.

[brainfreeze]

My response LG? What he ^^^ said :p

[lightgiver]

My response LG? What he ^^^ said :p

1 liner :p

Yes I am full of critique, and rightfully so.

Well, it's spamming and quite annoying to have to scroll through when reading threads, and half the time you don't even cite your sources. You even reply to people personal questions towards you with links and copy+pastes...instead of googling your responses, try searching your brain for a change.

Trust me, I don't read your massive chunks of cut and paste/linking...it just tends to stick out amongst posts where people actually have something original to add, and then when you start insulting, attacking and derailing as per usual it makes it very hard not to say anything.

no I do not trust you,

What do you want exactly.

You have aired you views,

so you disagree now run along.

Or maybe you just want to extend you professional critique of everything Icke.LOL.

[pound]

Given the quote I just saw about "missing Nasa tapes", it is "fantastic" in the most literal sense.

What went missing was just some of the slow scan footage of the 1969 event, all of which was readily transferred to broadcast video. There's a very comprehensive article about what went missing and what is still retained at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11_missing_tapes.

Apollo 11 was the only mission to use the slow scan system projected onto a screen anyway. All the subsequent missions (you are aware there was more than one, right?) used better technology. I'm sorry you found that particular pack of lies to be convincing.

Interesting you mention that.

The fact that the tapes are missing (and according to NASA, have been for over three decades), amazingly enough, was not even the most compelling information that the Reuters article had to offer. Also to be found was an explanation of how the alleged Moonwalk tapes that we all know and love were created: “Because NASA’s equipment was not compatible with TV technology of the day, the original transmissions had to be displayed on a monitor and re-shot by a TV camera for broadcast.”



So what we saw then, and what we have seen in all the footage ever released by NASA since then, were not in fact live transmissions. To the contrary, it was footage shot off a television monitor, and a tiny black-and-white monitor at that. That monitor may have been running live footage, I suppose, but it seems far more likely that it was running taped footage. NASA of course has never explained why, even if it were true that the original broadcasts had to be ‘re-shot,’ they never subsequently released any of the actual ‘live’ footage. But I guess that’s a moot point now, what with the tapes having gone missing.



With NASA’s admission of how the original broadcasts were created, it is certainly not hard to imagine how fake Moon landing footage could have been produced. As I have already noted, the 1960s were a decidedly low-tech era, and NASA appears to have taken a very low-tech approach. As Moon landing skeptics have duly noted, if the broadcast tapes are played back at roughly twice their normal running speed, the astronauts appear to move about in ways entirely consistent with the way ordinary humans move about right here on planet Earth. Here then is the formula for creating Moonwalk footage: take original footage of guys in ridiculous costumes moving around awkwardly right here on our home planet, broadcast it over a tiny, low-resolution television monitor at about half speed, and then re-film it with a camera focused on that screen. The end result will be broadcast-ready tapes that, in addition to having that all-important grainy, ghosty, rather surreal ‘broadcast from the Moon’ look, also appear to show the astronauts moving about in entirely unnatural ways.



http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/Apollo1.html

[pound]

So you have to be initiated into the reptilian theory?

A basic understanding of the subject (which it appears you dont have) would be of some help, yes.

[marpat]

A basic understanding of the subject (which it appears you dont have) would be of some help, yes.

Having read the Children of the Matrix I am fully aware of it. Hardly beyond question although I did find some aspects of general interest

[pound]

Why, just because people are questioning his latest idea, stolen straight from star wars.


There is a difference between being an ass (not pointing any fingers lol) as opposed to truly offering up some good constructive criticism. These are two entirely different things. The line seems to be blurred with you though for some reason:)

[jamesdean]

Agree with the OP, this latest theory of Icke's is making him appear not only insane to his critics but also to his followers.

[pound]

Having read the Children of the Matrix I am fully aware of it. Hardly beyond question although I did find some aspects of general interest

I find it extremely hard to believe that you actually read it as you said you have. lol just being honest:)

......I would be hard pressed to even believe that you own (let alone have read) any of Ickes books, to be 100% truthful with you.

[marpat]

There is a difference between being an ass (not pointing any fingers lol) as opposed to truly offering up some good constructive criticism. These are two entirely different things. The line seems to be blurred with you for some reason though :)

Look at some of his work. He claims the moon is a space ship, this is from star wars. He claims the earth is run by human eating lizards, an idea striaght from V. He talks of holographic realities that are computer generated, striaght out of the matrix series. He is using TV shows and films as a basis for his theories and people are taking it as credible research.

[lightgiver]

Agree with the OP, this latest theory of Icke's is making him appear not only insane to his critics but also to his followers.

So why are you here :confused:

O I know just sticking your tuppence worth in LOL :rolleyes: gotta love em.:D

Look at some of his work. He claims the moon is a space ship, this is from star wars. He claims the earth is run by human eating lizards, an idea striaght from V. He talks of holographic realities that are computer generated, striaght out of the matrix series. He is using TV shows and films as a basis for his theories and people are taking it as credible research.

coming from the invisible military man who never goes to work.LOL Only on forums. Gotta love em.:D

[pound]

Agree with the OP, this latest theory of Icke's is making him appear not only insane to his critics but also to his followers.


It appears insane to those who are not that well-read, agreed.

Perhaps you should put aside your assumptions until you've actually read the book though. Just a suggestion:)

[marpat]

I find it extremely hard to believe that you actually read it as you said you have. lol just being honest:)

......I would be hard pressed to even believe that you own (let alone have read) any of Ickes books, to be 100% truthful with you.

Well I have read it. In it Icke claims the serpent cult is satanism. I guess his friend Credo is a satanist then, being the head sanusi whose traditions involve offering blood sacrifices to snakes, who the zulu consider to be visiting ancestors.

I have three books, The Children of the Matrix, The Biggest Secret, and the Robots Rebellion. Just because I find a lot to criticise it does not mean I havent read them. I think people dont like the idea of somebody reading them and not being convinced. Why is it that in one of his books he asks the readers to read with an open mind, not a critical one? this is so that you take it in on an emotional level, where your feelings will evoked and acted upon rather than your logical mind. He preps the mindset of the reader to make them drop their natural defences and questions while he delivers an emotionally charged theory that is designed to act upon a persons rage and disgust, which is then directed at jews and the NWO, aliens, etc. He speaks of the elite using double talk yet he speaks of infinite love while all the time evoking horror, rage and disgust in people. Double talk? who knows.

[jamesdean]

It appears insane to those who are not that well-read, agreed.

Perhaps you should put aside your assumptions until you've actually read the book though. Just a suggestion:)

Do you blindly follow every new theory Icke has? Are you that easily swayed?

The ironic thing is, Icke refers to people as Sheeple, yet the majority of individuals on his forums are the real Sheeple, attaching themselves to any new concept, without regard for evidence.

If Icke told you tomorrow the world was run by pink elephants wearing red baseball caps I bet you would believe him!

And where is Icke's evidence?

Let's examine his reptilian evidence.

He has taken the testimonies of nut jobs like Arizona Wilder, Credo Mutwa, Christine Fitzgerald as being credible WITHOUT EVEN BOTHERING TO CONDUCT A LIE DETECTOR TEST.

He then claims a bunch of symbols showing Lizards proves the Reptilian agenda.

What a bunch of BULLSH*T!

Icke claims Reptilians feed off human emotion in order to survive in the 3rd and 4th dimensions...

Ask yourself logically, if the Reptilians came to earth 10,000 years ago, imagine how advanced their technology must have been then...it was advanced enough to genetically manipulate humans AND travel the galaxy.

So fast forward 10,000 years to present day.... imagine how advanced their technology is NOW...

Don't you think they would have

a) Figured out immortality
b) Figured out how to create emotion (i.e. no need for humans anymore)
c) Created robots to do their slave work
d) Taken over the world and killed off humanity as they have NO NEED for them?

Icke's Reptilian agenda makes NO SENSE, nor does his latest ridiculous theory.

You really are one of the SHEEPLE.

[marpat]

I like your style james

[lightgiver]

Do you blindly follow every new theory Icke has? Are you that easily swayed?

The ironic thing is, Icke refers to people as Sheeple, yet the majority of individuals on his forums are the real Sheeple, attaching themselves to any new concept, without regard for evidence.

If Icke told you tomorrow the world was run by pink elephants wearing red baseball caps I bet you would believe him!

And where is Icke's evidence?

Let's examine his reptilian evidence.

He has taken the testimonies of nut jobs like Arizona Wilder, Credo Mutwa, Christine Fitzgerald as being credible WITHOUT EVEN BOTHERING TO CONDUCT A LIE DETECTOR TEST.

He then claims a bunch of symbols showing Lizards proves the Reptilian agenda.

What a bunch of BULLSH*T!

Icke claims Reptilians feed off human emotion in order to survive in the 3rd and 4th dimensions...

Ask yourself logically, if the Reptilians came to earth 10,000 years ago, imagine how advanced their technology must have been then...it was advanced enough to genetically manipulate humans AND travel the galaxy.

So fast forward 10,000 years to present day.... imagine how advanced their technology is NOW...

Don't you think they would have

a) Figured out immortality
b) Figured out how to create emotion (i.e. no need for humans anymore)
c) Created robots to do their slave work
d) Taken over the world and killed off humanity as they have NO NEED for them?

Icke's Reptilian agenda makes NO SENSE, nor does his latest ridiculous theory.

You really are one of the SHEEPLE.

hey that must have took a while HA HA :D

do you sit around with scripts at the go.

I like your style james

Its a pity yours is so shit and full of holes.

[marpat]

Still nothing interesting to say? I was half expecting you to cut and paste and answer.

Instead of being a retarded freak why dont you have a crack at james post, see if you can make an articulated attempt to prove him wrong. I might even respect you if you can do that, but I seriously doubt you are up to the challenge

[lightgiver]

Still nothing interesting to say? I was half expecting you to cut and paste and answer.

Boo Hoo is that all you can repeat, are you running out of abusive comments,you weak pathetic toe rag :)

O he just had to run back and edit,what a knob.



Instead of being a retarded freak why dont you have a crack at james post, see if you can make an articulated attempt to prove him wrong. I might even respect you if you can do that, but I seriously doubt you are up to the challenge

The Invisible Military man who has a imaginary military role on the D Icke forum LOL.

and people believe it,apart from his lackeys,

naivety of the highest order.

I could not give a shit what you and your lackeys think or print out.

[marpat]

Boo Hoo is that all you can repeat, are you running out of abusive comments,you weak pathetic toe rag :)

Try looping back to post #106 and see if you can give some good asnwers to the post instead of ruining another thread.

[jamesdean]

It took me 3 mins to write... I'm not retarded... whereas most members on this forum clearly are...

Marpat is one of the few individuals who has the INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY to challenge Icke's crazy notions.

Why are you side-stepping my DEBUNKING OF THE BS REPTILIAN AGENDA?

Why not answer my questions on the matter?


Or would you rather run to your Lizard friends?

[pound]

Look at some of his work. He claims the moon is a space ship, this is from star wars. He claims the earth is run by human eating lizards, an idea striaght from V. He talks of holographic realities that are computer generated, striaght out of the matrix series. He is using TV shows and films as a basis for his theories and people are taking it as credible research.


Did serpent cults and the "brotherhoood of the snake" also come from "V"? Did the Sumerian texts come from 'V'? Did this quote from the dead sea scrolls (Testament of Amram) also come from 'V'?

"I saw ’Watchers’ in my vision... Two beings were fighting over me, saying... and holding a great contest over me. I asked them, ’Who are you, that you are thus empowered over me?’ They answered me, ’We have been empowered and rule over all mankind.’



They said to me, ’Which of us do you choose to rule you?’ I raised my eyes and looked. One of them was terrifying in his appearance, like a serpent, his cloak many-colored yet very dark... And I looked again, and... in his appearance, his visage like a viper..."



http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/scrolls_deadsea/uncovered/uncovered05.htm#30. Testament Of Amram

Did the Vedic 'Vimanas' and shape shifting 'Nagas' as well as the arabic Jinn, hopi 'snake brothers' and skinwalkers and all the horned caananite deities also come from the 'V' series?? Did the Meso-american tales of Quetzelcoatl and Kukulcan also come from 'V'? Did tales of the 'Leviathan' and 'Oannes/Dagon' and the beast from Revelations also come from 'V'?
Lets not even mention all of the eyewitness accounts documenting the existence of Reptilians since time immemorial. We would be here all day discussing just those incidences.

Give me a f*ckin' break:) Your entire knowledge base is lacking in this area lol

Concerning the 'Matrix'...ever heard of a guy named Michael Talbot? He came out with a book entitled "The holographic universe" a good 9 to 10 years before 'The matrix' movie ever came out. Take one of those Icke books that you supposedly own, and scan the bibliography for proof:)

And Hollywood insiders have been using motion pictures and Tv shows for more than just simple entertainment, as long as you have been on this forum site you should know this. But you appear to have no clue whatsoever..lol

[zero1]

I'm not a "follower of Icke" but I am very well read; I only come here because it is one of the few places on the 'Net where these topics are discussed in such variety and diversity of opinion. But there is a limit to credulity, and the new stuff reaches it.

[marpat]

Actually I am familiar with ancient cultures as well. Serpent symbolism does not prove reptilians. Serpents exist in most countries and evoke power and awe in people the world over. Reptilians are a theory, backed up by people who believe third hand intervew information that has no substance and was taken at face value.

Look at Egyptian culture, you will find cats are also high on the list of animals worshipped yet I dont hear about 4th dimensional moggies that control the world.

A bibliography in Ickes books is proof? fucking hell, how does that work?

[pound]

Do you blindly follow every new theory Icke has? Are you that easily swayed?

The ironic thing is, Icke refers to people as Sheeple, yet the majority of individuals on his forums are the real Sheeple, attaching themselves to any new concept, without regard for evidence.

If Icke told you tomorrow the world was run by pink elephants wearing red baseball caps I bet you would believe him!

And where is Icke's evidence?

Let's examine his reptilian evidence.

He has taken the testimonies of nut jobs like Arizona Wilder, Credo Mutwa, Christine Fitzgerald as being credible WITHOUT EVEN BOTHERING TO CONDUCT A LIE DETECTOR TEST.

He then claims a bunch of symbols showing Lizards proves the Reptilian agenda.

What a bunch of BULLSH*T!

Icke claims Reptilians feed off human emotion in order to survive in the 3rd and 4th dimensions...

Ask yourself logically, if the Reptilians came to earth 10,000 years ago, imagine how advanced their technology must have been then...it was advanced enough to genetically manipulate humans AND travel the galaxy.

So fast forward 10,000 years to present day.... imagine how advanced their technology is NOW...

Don't you think they would have

a) Figured out immortality
b) Figured out how to create emotion (i.e. no need for humans anymore)
c) Created robots to do their slave work
d) Taken over the world and killed off humanity as they have NO NEED for them?

Icke's Reptilian agenda makes NO SENSE, nor does his latest ridiculous theory.

You really are one of the SHEEPLE.

1)You labeling others as 'sheep'. Now thats funny. Your head is in the sand brother. You are in no way shape or form remotely 'awake'. Quite the opposite in fact:)

2)Concerning evidence of the reptilian existence which includes everything from cave paintings, artifacts, historical documents and personal accounts. Eyewitnesses (and they number in the hundreds spanning back to the beginning of recorded history) have enough 'evidence' in the form of the sightiings and the experiences that they themselves encountered. Theyre experiences are more than 'conclusive' enough to them. And that is all that matters. I doubt these people or those that can connect the dots and see past the smokescreen would doubt this.

3)I answered your other inquiries in the other thread. Go back and review those if you are still hung up on those questions. Or you can actually buy one of Ickes book and investigate for yourself. That is, if you are in fact genuinely interested.

4)Coming across as uninformed as you do, I would say you have no fathomable idea of what this so called 'agenda' entails. Your mind is entirely pad locked and you lack even the most basic understanding of the subject, while acting as if you do...lol
Come back when youve done some more research:)


***just being honest***

[dark86]

Look at Egyptian culture, you will find cats are also high on the list of animals worshipped yet I dont hear about 4th dimensional moggies that control the world.



this is one of my favourite ever quotes.

[zero1]

Maybe he has realized how stupid his followers are and how willing they are to believe anything he writes.

I find that once you attempt to take it all so very, very seriously (the conspiracy theory business, I mean), it becomes sickening, stupid, depressing and unhealthy for both mind and spirit. It's only good for a laugh, really. It changes nothing; hearts and minds cannot be won over by "Moon Matrix" theories; Icke has fucked up so big this time, it's unbelievable.

[pound]

Actually I am familiar with ancient cultures as well. Serpent symbolism does not prove reptilians. Serpents exist in most countries and evoke power and awe in people the world over. Reptilians are a theory, backed up by people who believe third hand intervew information that has no substance and was taken at face value.

Look at Egyptian culture, you will find cats are also high on the list of animals worshipped yet I dont hear about 4th dimensional moggies that control the world.

A bibliography in Ickes books is proof? fucking hell, how does that work?


Typical response from a Lucifer follower. Downplay the evidence and redirect the attention.

[lightgiver]

I find that once you attempt to take it all so very, very seriously (the conspiracy theory business, I mean), it becomes sickening, stupid, depressing and unhealthy for both mind and spirit. It's only good for a laugh, really. It changes nothing; hearts and minds cannot be won over by "Moon Matrix" theories; Icke has fucked up so big this time, it's unbelievable.

How has he messed up because you lot cannot accept it or believe it,yet you continue to use the forum as a ridicule tool,thinking you are superior,LOL

maybe you need to lick LHs the morning star the line of davids ass,

you are all rather shallow people.


true colours come out in the end.LOL.

shallow.

this is one of my favourite ever quotes.

Shallow.

[pound]

Maybe he has realized how stupid his followers are and how willing they are to believe anything he writes.



this is one of my favourite ever quotes.


A classic example of jibberish indeed.

[pound]

I find that once you attempt to take it all so very, very seriously (the conspiracy theory business, I mean), it becomes sickening, stupid, depressing and unhealthy for both mind and spirit. It's only good for a laugh, really. It changes nothing; hearts and minds cannot be won over by "Moon Matrix" theories; Icke has fucked up so big this time, it's unbelievable.


Your outlook is all wrong. That is your freedom though I suppose.

[pound]

Investigate the theories before you condemn them. Just a simple word of advice:)

[marpat]

Typical response from a Lucifer follower. Downplay the evidence and redirect the attention.

So I question something and now you label me. Impact your comfort zone did it?

[lightgiver]

So I question something and now you label me. Impact your comfort zone did it?

For 2 years,that is abnormal :eek:

[marpat]

A classic example of jibberish indeed.

Well prove me wrong then. Lets have the proof of how the moon is a space ship. I mean proof as well, not speculations about 'it looks like one'

[flyermay]

He preps the mindset of the reader to make them drop their natural defences and questions while he delivers an emotionally charged theory that is designed to act upon a persons rage and disgust, which is then directed at jews and the NWO, aliens, etc. He speaks of the elite using double talk yet he speaks of infinite love while all the time evoking horror, rage and disgust in people. Double talk? who knows.

Would you care explaining a couple of things Marpat?

Do you think that by simply saying "read with an open mind" Icke drops down the reader's natural defences? Is it that easy?

Could you cite the part where Icke builds up rage and disgust towards the Jews?

How can you judge Icke for denouncing the horror provoked by the PTB? I mean, how can you even defend the PTB, attack Icke for saying "infinite love", and then talk about "double talk" in the same phrase?

[pound]

So I question something and now you label me. Impact your comfort zone did it?

You have such conviction in your opinions. But your overall argument is weak, very, very weak. But you dont seem to realize this for various reasons that have become apparent to me as Ive gotten to know you through your ramblings a bit more.

:)

[marpat]

Your outlook is all wrong. That is your freedom though I suppose.

Because he doesnt agree his outlook is wrong? I think it just shows how far you are willing to follow somebody no matter how mad their ideas are. Blind following is not awakening nor enlightenment

[dark86]

right,

i think my two pence just has to come in here.

NO-ONE in this thread knows for certain that reptilian entities exist. PERIOD.

Ive been all around the maya sites, indian sites, studied alchemy deeply in a 10 month process, read ancient texts, digested the whole shooting match of conspiracy documentaries, written a book, taken some large hits of shamanic brews, and i've witnessed SCORES and SCORES of theories on reptilian symbolism.

And here is the crux; WE JUST DON'T KNOW. What we DO KNOW is that secret societies /occultists use ritual that feeds (and then returns from) the astral plane.

Ive read most of Ickes books and seen most of his talks; his stuff on banks, bloodlines is very good, but when it comes to symbolism and ancients stuff he is lacking a little.

But to go around saying it is a FACT reptilians exist and control the world, and the moon is a spaceship.....for £20 a throw is dangerous, and he could become detramental to the whole movement.......is this planned? The question NEEDS to be asked. ( cue thread lock).

Theorising is a trap, a big one, and our energies should be on solutions and stepping away from the 'system.'

[pound]

Serpent symbolism does not prove reptilians.

The hell it doesnt.

[marpat]

You have such conviction in your opinions. But your overall argument is weak, very, very weak. But you dont seem to realize this for various reasons that have become apparent to me as Ive gotten to know you through your ramblings a bit more.

:)

Prove it then. Lets see how my arguement is weak. Surely if you are arguing from a point of strength then you will have no trouble dealing with my doubts and questions

[bluehorseman]

Why don't we all wait till the book comes out then discuss, at the moment no one except Icke and the publishers know what he has said for sure.

What I do know is:

No one here has been to the moon.

Science involving imperical evidence and testing has been proven many times to be part of the problem keeping us all in this matrix.

Knowledge has been hidden from us to keep us slaves to the system; knowledge about lots of things hence conspiracy theories.

That is a base line.

[marpat]

The hell it doesnt.

You are nothing more than a believer.

[marpat]

right,

i think my two pence just has to come in here.

NO-ONE in this thread knows for certain that reptilian entities exist. PERIOD.

Ive been all around the maya sites, indian sites, studied alchemy deeply in a 10 month process, read ancient texts, digested the whole shooting match of conspiracy documentaries, written a book, taken some large hits of shamanic brews, and i've witnessed SCORES and SCORES of theories on reptilian symbolism.

And here is the crux; WE JUST DON'T KNOW. What we DO KNOW is that secret societies /occultists use ritual that feeds (and then returns from) the astral plane.

Ive read most of Ickes books and seen most of his talks; his stuff on banks, bloodlines is very good, but when it comes to symbolism and ancients stuff he is lacking a little.

But to go around saying it is a FACT reptilians exist and control the world, and the moon is a spaceship.....for £20 a throw is dangerous, and he could become detramental to the whole movement.......is this planned? The question NEEDS to be asked. ( cue thread lock).

Theorising is a trap, a big one, and our energies should be on solutions and stepping away from the 'system.'

But its an easy way to try and keep people interested and the money flowing when there is nothing left to give

[stewart edwards]

Remember the stuff that comes out before a book is published can simply be marketing blurb - designed to provoke debate. I for one will reserve judgement until I actually read the contents. And if it doesnt stack up it doesnt stack up. Who knows this could be a crafty marketing ploy or perhaps David does have some irrefutable evidince that he is going to present in the book? Equally the moon matrix could equally turn out to be no more than a "mental construct" to help people visualise some esoteric concepts.


The proof will be in the reading of the book.

[pound]

Well prove me wrong then. Lets have the proof of how the moon is a space ship. I mean proof as well, not speculations about 'it looks like one'

Lets just wait until the book comes out before passing any judgement how does that sound? Until then you can rummage through the existing information that we have on the topic. This looks like a good start. Im planning on buying and reading this book myself.

http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/4142V3P14CL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

[lightgiver]

Because he doesnt agree his outlook is wrong? I think it just shows how far you are willing to follow somebody no matter how mad their ideas are. Blind following is not awakening nor enlightenment

So you disagree why don't you just do one :confused:

and Join the forces or something.

Remember the stuff that comes out before a book is published can simply be marketing blurb - designed to provoke debate. I for one will reserve judgement until I actually read the contents. And if it doesnt stack up it doesnt stack up. Who knows this could be a crafty marketing ploy or perhaps David does have some irrefutable evidince that he is going to present in the book? Equally the moon matrix could equally turn out to be no more than a "mental construct" to help people visualise some esoteric concepts.


The proof will be in the reading of the book.

this is it no one has read it and look at the state of the thread.LOL. this forum is indeed becoming comical.

[pound]

Prove it then. Lets see how my arguement is weak. Surely if you are arguing from a point of strength then you will have no trouble dealing with my doubts and questions

lol......Have you not read any of the prior posts that we made??? Oh thats right, in an effort to save face its best to forget about those:)

[pound]

You are nothing more than a believer.

Beats being a Crowlyite and a Luciferian any day of the week.

[dark86]

Pound, Crowley went a bit crazy in later years but Liber-777 is a complete work of genius, as is some of his other work.

One does not have to like someone to admire genius when it is at home.

[marpat]

Pound, Crowley went a bit crazy in later years but Liber-777 is a complete work of genius, as is some of his other work.

One does not have to like someone to admire genius when it is at home.

True, but in this place it is not wise to give pearls to the swine

[marpat]

Beats being a Crowlyite and a Luciferian any day of the week.

How come? what is a Crowleyite? what is a lucefarian?

[marpat]

+1

Wow, you have started counting. Well done

[pound]

How come? what is a Crowleyite? what is a lucefarian?

True. Why dont you give us a brief synopsis. Better to hear it from the horses mouth so to speak:)

[flyermay]

Marpat is one of the few individuals who has the INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY to challenge Icke's crazy notions.

And I am willing to allow him to prove that he has, and that his opinion of Icke is not based on personal prejudices.

Marpat,

Do you think that by simply saying "read with an open mind" Icke drops down the reader's natural defences? Can you prove it is that easy?

Could you cite the part where Icke builds up rage and disgust towards the Jews?

How can you judge Icke for denouncing horror?... I mean, how can you even attack Icke for saying "infinite love", when you defend the PTB, and then talk about "double talk" in the same phrase?

[mauviene]

I realize Icke does not get his information from himself. Infact..Icke really has not made up anything but has in a sense has revived things that have had little attention in the past..

The question is...what the hell do we make of claims such as this? Icke has been credible for me..in fact..in almost everything he has said. Such as the existence of inter dimensional reptilians (cannot vouch for shapeshifting)..the conspiracy which begins not in the world of politics or economics..but religion itself...and many other trivial things.

Now..as much as I know I have no credible argument..I feel..as if..Icke might actually be right..that indeed...the moon might just be a spaceship from which a group of aliens have controlled the planet for many years...

What of it? Does that make me crazy? Yes..does that make me wrong? No..

[dreamweaver]

Does that make me crazy? Yes..does that make me wrong? No..
I think it's more likely to be the other way round: Wrong, yes. Crazy, no. :p

[mauviene]

I think it's more likely to be the other way round: Wrong, yes. Crazy, no. :p

Oh well..we will..indeed..have to await what he has to say about this. Indeed I think it is to early to speculate untill he reveals more information..and his sources...

Here is a website I think you should visit..looks like their are actually moon hoax revisionists out their.

http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm

[jamesdean]

2)Concerning evidence of the reptilian existence which includes everything from cave paintings, artifacts, historical documents and personal accounts. Eyewitnesses (and they number in the hundreds spanning back to the beginning of recorded history) have enough 'evidence' in the form of the sightiings and the experiences that they themselves encountered. Theyre experiences are more than 'conclusive' enough to them. And that is all that matters. I doubt these people or those that can connect the dots and see past the smokescreen would doubt this.

3)I answered your other inquiries in the other thread. Go back and review those if you are still hung up on those questions. Or you can actually buy one of Ickes book and investigate for yourself. That is, if you are in fact genuinely interested.

[/QUOTE]

Yeah great cop-out pal!

You NEVER answered my questions in the other thread, you side-stepped them conveniently.

Go and answer them now.

And FYI I have read the Biggest Secret, and laughed all the way through it.

It is a fabricated fairytale. All he based notion on was a) interviews with people who he didn't even bother to conduct a lie detector with and b) on random paintings /artifacts discovered in caves.

This does not constitute to sound evidence.

[elo_zorn]

Did serpent cults and the "brotherhoood of the snake" also come from "V"? Did the Sumerian texts come from 'V'? Did this quote from the dead sea scrolls (Testament of Amram) also come from 'V'?



http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/scrolls_deadsea/uncovered/uncovered05.htm#30. Testament Of Amram

Did the Vedic 'Vimanas' and shape shifting 'Nagas' as well as the arabic Jinn, hopi 'snake brothers' and skinwalkers and all the horned caananite deities also come from the 'V' series?? Did the Meso-american tales of Quetzelcoatl and Kukulcan also come from 'V'? Did tales of the 'Leviathan' and 'Oannes/Dagon' and the beast from Revelations also come from 'V'?
Lets not even mention all of the eyewitness accounts documenting the existence of Reptilians since time immemorial. We would be here all day discussing just those incidences.

Give me a f*ckin' break:) Your entire knowledge base is lacking in this area lol

Concerning the 'Matrix'...ever heard of a guy named Michael Talbot? He came out with a book entitled "The holographic universe" a good 9 to 10 years before 'The matrix' movie ever came out. Take one of those Icke books that you supposedly own, and scan the bibliography for proof:)

And Hollywood insiders have been using motion pictures and Tv shows for more than just simple entertainment, as long as you have been on this forum site you should know this. But you appear to have no clue whatsoever..lol

Brotherhood of the Serpent-

...using the website you've linked (bibliotecapleyades):

" Brotherhood of the Snake

OF ALL THE animals revered in ancient human societies, none were as prominent or as important as the snake. The snake was the logo of a group which had become very influential in early human societies of both Hemispheres. That group was a disciplined Brotherhood dedicated to the dissemination of spiritual knowledge and the attainment of spiritual freedom. This Brotherhood of the Snake (also known as the “Brotherhood of the Serpent,” but which I will often refer to as simply the “Brotherhood”) opposed the enslavement of spiritual beings and, according to Egyptian writings, it sought to liberate the human race from Custodial bondage.* "

Sumerian texts
Sitchen doesn't even talk about reptilian shapeshifters in his "translations", and he's at the forefront of fringe archaeology on the subject. I'd like to see an example of what you're alluding to here.


Dead Sea Scrolls quote-
"Serpent" beings are quite often regarded as symbol for enlightened/wise/spiritual beings Also, the section you quote is known to be fragmented bits and pieces of different writings strung together and is unfinished. Taking a religious writing 100% literally is a real cop out of an excuse for "research" or "evidence" of anything. I do agree that this sounds like it may have been a frightening or perhaps even a negative experience in this case and I am quite familiar with the Watchers from reading the Book of Enoch.

Vimanas

These are flying machines, not reptilian aliens. It also means temple or palace. Even wikipedia could have told you that.

Nagas

Although these serpent beings are sometimes viewed in a negative light within the Vedic texts, they are also seen as benevolent beings of wisdom/spirituality like I mentioned earlier...this is especially true from the Buddhist perspective on the Nagas.

Jinn

Evil spirits or a Genie does not denote reptilian form. Again, references to the details your insinuating here please.

Hopi Snake Brothers

Again, you use something a group totes as a postive thing as negative. Why do you think they use the term "brother" here?

Horned Caananite Deities

Horns doesn't mean reptilians...in fact most reptiles do not have horns.

Quetzalcoatl

This deity was extremely peaceful and highly regarded...in fact it was this deity who halted human sacrifice asking for butterflies and flowers instead! Don't forget that this serpent being also had feathers (a Quetzal is a bird), representing the merging of the physical (serpent) and spiritual (bird) as well as many other things.

Leviathan
Sea monster...not reptilian shapeshifter

Oannes
A fish like being...not reptilian...

Holographic Universe
I bet Mr.Talbot would be really pissed to see his hard and excellent work attached to the shapeshifter theories. Try re-reading his book...he doesn't mention any reptilians beaming down our holographic existence from the moon hahaha...the book is called the Holographic Universe, as in everything is a hologram not just our earthly reality.

Looks like it's you who needs to brush up on your reading...try going to original sources of info rather than only reading Icke's massive stretches of his witness testimonies over everything and anything to do with serpents, monsters, evil spirits etc.

[seanx]

Zero 1 wrote:
find that once you attempt to take it all so very, very seriously (the conspiracy theory business, I mean), it becomes sickening, stupid, depressing and unhealthy for both mind and spirit. It's only good for a laugh, really. It changes nothing; hearts and minds cannot be won over by "Moon Matrix" theories; Icke has fucked up so big this time, it's unbelievable

You must be very special - MR Zero!

You have already judged Icke's book without reading it -or maybe
you were sent a special copy!!

it's like all the people who think Icke is talking specifically about
the film the matrix - when he is only using it as an ANALOGY-
to explain difficult concepts for the modern mind.

But then mr Zero, Marpat and brainfreeze all have 1 thing in
COMMON: NONE of them have ever read icke's most recent
books on these ideas.

There is nothing like intellectual arrogrance - or nothing as empty
or bitter.

Eh, lads!

BTW -iCKE's books are not here to be believed.

They just an update on icke's brave, courageous and crazy investigation
and JOURNEY into the inner world of consciousness and the origin of the fake matrix
that the illuminati want us to believe is the 'true' reality.

They are meant to be read in that manner. And be thought -provoking.

I'm looking forward to reading where Icke is now

[zero1]

You must be very special - MR Zero!

Oh I am, yes, really I am. Very, very special. I am the Special One.

I'm looking forward to reading where Icke is now.

I'll bet you are, you are arguably the most vigorous and skilled defender of Icke on this (his) forum. (That's a compliment).

I'll read his new book when it comes out too.

[seanx]

Zero wrote:
I'll read his new book when it comes out too.


If Icke is using this moon matrix as an anology to describe
a disconnected and reptilian state of consciousness that is trying
to displace and replace human consciousness -then I look forward
to having a good row with you when it comes out!!

[elo_zorn]

BTW -iCKE's books are not here to be believed.

They just an update on icke's brave, courageous and crazy investigation
and JOURNEY into the inner world of consciousness and the origin of the fake matrix
that the illuminati want us to believe is the 'true' reality.

They are meant to be read in that manner. And be thought -provoking.

I'm looking forward to reading where Icke is now

Although I agree with you here partially, I think Icke is a very smart man and knows how his work affects most of his readers/listeners. The way he presents his "journey" does not come off as just that even though he generally throws in precursors like "think for yourself, do your own research" etc. He presents his work methodically as fact, and does not explore alternate avenues outside of his predecided Reptilian Illuminati theory...this is approach is geared to convince, not provoke thought. It also makes for a lot of cherry picking of data rather than a thorough open minded approach. Because of his delivery and audience, people chew it up and generally do not check sources and when they do they only do so with the perspective Icke built up for them. This approach creates the religious fanaticsm and hypnotism that he speaks against, and I find it very hard to believe that he doesn't see this.

[brainfreeze]

Although I agree with you here partially, I think Icke is a very smart man and knows how his work affects most of his readers/listeners. The way he presents his "journey" does not come off as just that even though he generally throws in precursors like "think for yourself, do your own research" etc. He presents his work methodically as fact, and does not explore alternate avenues outside of his predecided Reptilian Illuminati theory...this is approach is geared to convince, not provoke thought. It also makes for a lot of cherry picking of data rather than a thorough open minded approach. Because of his delivery and audience, people chew it up and generally do not check sources and when they do they only do so with the perspective Icke built up for them. This approach creates the religious fanaticsm and hypnotism that he speaks against, and I find it very hard to believe that he doesn't see this.

That's a good post.

[seanx]

elo_zorn WROTE:

Because of his delivery and audience, people chew it up and generally do not check sources and when they do they only do so with the perspective Icke built up for them. This approach creates the religious fanaticsm and hypnotism that he speaks against, and I find it very hard to believe that he doesn't see this.

What nonsense.

people chew it up and generally do not check sources


Really, mate - so you must know everybody on this forum and in your
op[inion they are all blind, dumb idiots who swallow everything they
are told?

This forum has - how many members- 4,000?? - when did you meet
them all to form this judgement?

Or maybe you're projecting your own tendencies onto
everybody else??

Forget about everybody else.

uSE the book to challenge all your own root assumptions
about the nature of reality .....and let other people do what they
want to do with it.

if the ideas resonate with you - investigate more.

if you think they are bullshit - dump the book into the nearest bin.

[brainfreeze]

elo_zorn WROTE:



What nonsense.




Really, mate - so you must know everybody on this forum and in your
op[inion they are all blind, dumb idiots who swallow everything they
are told?

This forum has - how many members- 4,000?? - when did you meet
them all to form this judgement?

Or maybe you're projecting your own tendencies onto
everybody else??

Forget about everybody else.

uSE the book to challenge all your own root assumptions
about the nature of reality .....and let other people do what they
want to do with it.

if the ideas resonate with you - investigate more.

if you think they are bullshit - dump the book into the nearest bin.

Oh come on Sean there are loads more reasons why people may read and accept what they have read without researching ALL the facts themselves other than THEY'RE IDIOTS.

One I can think of and has been used over and over again is, they're seduced by a charismatic aurator. Come on, even Hilter knew that. All his followes were not dimwitted idiots. They were wrongly seduced by what Hilter SAID.

[elo_zorn]

elo_zorn WROTE:



What nonsense.




Really, mate - so you must know everybody on this forum and in your
op[inion they are all blind, dumb idiots who swallow everything they
are told?

Firstly, I didn't call anyone dumb or blind...don't put words in my mouth. I don't insult people like that and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't insinuate that I do.

This forum has - how many members- 4,000?? - when did you meet
them all to form this judgement?

This is my opinion which is based on my experience on the forums here, and from meeting Icke readers/supporters in person. I never claimed to know all the members, but I do think that this forum gives a fairly accurate overview of how Icke affects his audience. Remember I'm talking about the majority, which is not all encompassing.

Or maybe you're projecting your own tendencies onto
everybody else??

This is obviously not my tendancy...did you forget what side of the arguement that I'm on?

Forget about everybody else.

uSE the book to challenge all your own root assumptions
about the nature of reality .....and let other people do what they
want to do with it.

if the ideas resonate with you - investigate more.

if you think they are bullshit - dump the book into the nearest bin.

My posts are in no way specific to his new book, it's the whole package that I'm talking about. Forget about everyone else? Need I remind you that this is a public forum to discuss Icke's work and related topics? If we all kept to ourselves the forum would be fairly useless wouldn't you say? I'm not stopping anyone from doing anything, I'm just sharing my opinion and this is the designated place to do so...it's not like I'm busting in peoples houses to lecture anyone.

[thirty3]

Can anyone confirm these ''facts''.

Apollo 12 left delicate siesmic equipment on the moon. (Nov 1969) And when dropping the ascent stage of the lunar craft off crashing into the moons surface the surface rang like a bell for one hour (maybe indicating it could be perceived as hollow).

They returned with 900 pounds of moon rock. The average modern derived date of earths age is approx 4.5billion years. The modern method of ageing rock via cosmic ray tracks has oldest earth rocks at 3.5billion years old. But some moon rock was dated 5.3billion years (give the earth and moon were supposedly made at same time.)

Dr c soloman of MIT in ''''Aeronautics Febuary 1962 '''''. Reported in an article.........'' The Lunar orbiter experiments vastly improved our knowledge of the moon's gravatational field....indicating the frightening possibilty that the moon might be hollow.''



Now I take these facts and excerpts from Ingo Swans book.'' Penertration '' available in pdf format on google.

I dont know if they are true apart from Earths age which I had a quick look on google and it came up with 4.55billion for earth derived age.

Chapter 14/15 around pages 70ish.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/18023776/Penetration-The-Question-of-Extraterrestrial-and-Human-Telepathy-by-Ingo-Swann-text-format


:D

[rodin]

Oh come on Sean there are loads more reasons why people may read and accept what they have read without researching ALL the facts themselves other than THEY'RE IDIOTS.

One I can think of and has been used over and over again is, they're seduced by a charismatic aurator. Come on, even Hilter knew that. All his followes were not dimwitted idiots. They were wrongly seduced by what Hilter SAID.

Product placement again :cool:

[seanx]

brainfreeze wrote:

Oh come on Sean there are loads more reasons why people may read and accept what they have read without researching ALL the facts themselves other than THEY'RE IDIOTS.

One I can think of and has been used over and over again is, they're seduced by a charismatic aurator. Come on, even Hilter knew that. All his followes were not dimwitted idiots. They were wrongly seduced by what Hilter SAID.

What other people do or don't do is none of your business. Or
my business.

You are only responsible for your response.

Though, Mr. brainfreeze people might take you more seriously if you
bothered to read the books yourself.

Then you wouldn't have to worry about other people.

[rodin]

Although I agree with you here partially, I think Icke is a very smart man and knows how his work affects most of his readers/listeners. The way he presents his "journey" does not come off as just that even though he generally throws in precursors like "think for yourself, do your own research" etc. He presents his work methodically as fact, and does not explore alternate avenues outside of his predecided Reptilian Illuminati theory...this is approach is geared to convince, not provoke thought. It also makes for a lot of cherry picking of data rather than a thorough open minded approach. Because of his delivery and audience, people chew it up and generally do not check sources and when they do they only do so with the perspective Icke built up for them. This approach creates the religious fanaticsm and hypnotism that he speaks against, and I find it very hard to believe that he doesn't see this.

Well constructed post. Icke does present a narrative that invites beliefs and addresses the emotions. Trickster? Or is that just his style?

Well his forum cuts loose at least, and that's what I am here for.

.................................................. ...........

Dead Sea Scrolls you mentioned in previous - they are a hoax so whatever they are pushing is a lie and whatever they attack is probably truth

Archaelogy can be faked

Sitchin is a charlatan also

all IMO based on research

[seanx]

elo_zorn wrote:

My posts are in no way specific to his new book, it's the whole package that I'm talking about. Forget about everyone else? Need I remind you that this is a public forum to discuss Icke's work and related topics? If we all kept to ourselves the forum would be fairly useless wouldn't you say? I'm not stopping anyone from doing anything, I'm just sharing my opinion and this is the designated place to do so...it's not like I'm busting in peoples houses to lecture anyone.

You make some good points -but at the end of the day, all Icke's
books are just his his ideas, beliefs and conclusions AT THIS MOMENT
IN TIME on his journey of discovery.

But most people who read Icke's books on this forum ( which would
be a very small minority - all the bullshitters and racists who
plague this forum wouldn't have read an icke book in their whole lives) -
are, in my experience a very intelligent and discerning lot.

And these are the people Icke writes for.

But at the end of the day, everybody is responsible for their
OWN response and attitude to a book.

You or I cannot control that.

We are only responsible for our own consciousness.

[drakul]

Oh my God! It's the Truman Show!!

Yes - The Truman Show - is this what life on Earth all boiling down too? A complete and total fraud?

[marpat]

Although I agree with you here partially, I think Icke is a very smart man and knows how his work affects most of his readers/listeners. The way he presents his "journey" does not come off as just that even though he generally throws in precursors like "think for yourself, do your own research" etc. He presents his work methodically as fact, and does not explore alternate avenues outside of his predecided Reptilian Illuminati theory...this is approach is geared to convince, not provoke thought. It also makes for a lot of cherry picking of data rather than a thorough open minded approach. Because of his delivery and audience, people chew it up and generally do not check sources and when they do they only do so with the perspective Icke built up for them. This approach creates the religious fanaticsm and hypnotism that he speaks against, and I find it very hard to believe that he doesn't see this.

Exactly. This was seen in my thread on Diana's death where nobody could provide anything or real credibility to prove that where she died was an ancient sacrificial site, no archeology or historical references to such a temple or anything, yet people just believe it and defend what he wrote without ever checking these details.

As deep throat states in the x-files, the best place to conceal lies is between truths. By using some accurate material people get suckered into thinking it is all good.

[marpat]

Yes - The Truman Show - is this what life on Earth all boiling down too? A complete and total fraud?

People and societies have always been the same, always fighting amongst themselves and being frightened about the future.

As it is said in Ecclesaisticals, 'there is nothing new under the sun'

[zanarkandz]

So these aliens built a moon...that regulates all life on earth, and they did all this,waited millions of years so they could create us and control us (badly by the way) ?

I was a Icke supporter but this is inconceivable, there's a great lack of logic behind this, why the hell didn't "they" created us in a stable so they could control us directly in the "Death Star" ?

Or they could just send a army from the moon and invade the earth, it would be easier.

Also it's kinda funny how we quotes the movie Matrix so much, because if The Matrix came from Hollywood then it should be propaganda right ? But nooo, it's treated like a bible !

[pound]

Oh come on Sean there are loads more reasons why people may read and accept what they have read without researching ALL the facts themselves other than THEY'RE IDIOTS.

One I can think of and has been used over and over again is, they're seduced by a charismatic aurator. Come on, even Hilter knew that. All his followes were not dimwitted idiots. They were wrongly seduced by what Hilter SAID.

Says the person who actually owns none of Ickes books and only claims to have skimmed a few of his videos. Your opinion is subjective and based on ignorance and hate at best.

[marpat]

Says the person who actually owns none of Ickes books and only claims to have skimmed a few of his videos. Your opinion is subjective and based on ignorance and hate at best.

But I own a few of his books and have read them yet I think the idea of a moon base is pure bullshit

The fact is that your belief is also subjective, as you have not proven any objective facts. Face it, you just want to believe at all costs

[marpat]

So these aliens built a moon...that regulates all life on earth, and they did all this,waited millions of years so they could create us and control us (badly by the way) ?

I was a Icke supporter but this is inconceivable, there's a great lack of logic behind this, why the hell didn't "they" created us in a stable so they could control us directly in the "Death Star" ?

Or they could just send a army from the moon and invade the earth, it would be easier.

I feel the true reason for this is that Icke is running out of ideas, having circulated the same ideas constantly in so many of his books. He knows readers will be getting tired of seeing the same stuff circulated again so he has to come up with something new and fresh which is impossible for us mere mortals to prove, refreshing the faithful with new and fanciful ideas. Any criticism is then just shrugged off.

[pound]

Brotherhood of the Serpent-

...using the website you've linked (bibliotecapleyades):

" Brotherhood of the Snake

OF ALL THE animals revered in ancient human societies, none were as prominent or as important as the snake. The snake was the logo of a group which had become very influential in early human societies of both Hemispheres. That group was a disciplined Brotherhood dedicated to the dissemination of spiritual knowledge and the attainment of spiritual freedom. This Brotherhood of the Snake (also known as the “Brotherhood of the Serpent,” but which I will often refer to as simply the “Brotherhood”) opposed the enslavement of spiritual beings and, according to Egyptian writings, it sought to liberate the human race from Custodial bondage.* "

Sumerian texts
Sitchen doesn't even talk about reptilian shapeshifters in his "translations", and he's at the forefront of fringe archaeology on the subject. I'd like to see an example of what you're alluding to here.


Dead Sea Scrolls quote-
"Serpent" beings are quite often regarded as symbol for enlightened/wise/spiritual beings Also, the section you quote is known to be fragmented bits and pieces of different writings strung together and is unfinished. Taking a religious writing 100% literally is a real cop out of an excuse for "research" or "evidence" of anything. I do agree that this sounds like it may have been a frightening or perhaps even a negative experience in this case and I am quite familiar with the Watchers from reading the Book of Enoch.

Vimanas

These are flying machines, not reptilian aliens. It also means temple or palace. Even wikipedia could have told you that.

Nagas

Although these serpent beings are sometimes viewed in a negative light within the Vedic texts, they are also seen as benevolent beings of wisdom/spirituality like I mentioned earlier...this is especially true from the Buddhist perspective on the Nagas.

Jinn

Evil spirits or a Genie does not denote reptilian form. Again, references to the details your insinuating here please.

Hopi Snake Brothers

Again, you use something a group totes as a postive thing as negative. Why do you think they use the term "brother" here?

Horned Caananite Deities

Horns doesn't mean reptilians...in fact most reptiles do not have horns.

Quetzalcoatl

This deity was extremely peaceful and highly regarded...in fact it was this deity who halted human sacrifice asking for butterflies and flowers instead! Don't forget that this serpent being also had feathers (a Quetzal is a bird), representing the merging of the physical (serpent) and spiritual (bird) as well as many other things.

Leviathan
Sea monster...not reptilian shapeshifter

Oannes
A fish like being...not reptilian...

Holographic Universe
I bet Mr.Talbot would be really pissed to see his hard and excellent work attached to the shapeshifter theories. Try re-reading his book...he doesn't mention any reptilians beaming down our holographic existence from the moon hahaha...the book is called the Holographic Universe, as in everything is a hologram not just our earthly reality.

Looks like it's you who needs to brush up on your reading...try going to original sources of info rather than only reading Icke's massive stretches of his witness testimonies over everything and anything to do with serpents, monsters, evil spirits etc.

All of this according to the Luciferian....Thats the thing with you guys. Everything is reversed and skewed, what is normally bad is actually good and vice, versa..lol.
Tell you what, why dont read up a little more on the Brotherhood of the snake (because its obvious you arent to informed in this area) to get to the gist of what I was saying. lol.....While highlighting a select passage that paints them in a rather good light research a bit more to find out what this society eventually became to get a sense of the bigger picture:)


....BTW check back and actually read what I posted. When I referred to Talbots book when I stated that much of Ickes work concerning a 'holographic' universe came from Talbots source and not the movie "The matrix' (Talbots work predates the Matrix movie by atleast 9 years) as Marpat had stated. I never made the connection between Talbots work and 'reptilians'...That is you seeing only what you want to see. Although now that you mention it, yes, I do think Icke was spot on in his correlation and analysis of the two.

[pound]

But I own a few of his books and have read them yet I think the idea of a moon base of pure bullshit

The fact is that your belief is also subjective, as you have not proven any objective facts. Face it, you just want to believe at all costs


You obviously are either dyslexic or have an eye problem.

And you know all about Ickes moon theories? Wow....Where can I get an advanced copy too? And I seriously doubt with a capital S, that you have actually read any of his books judging on how uninformed you come across when discussing these issues that Icke addresses in his books, that you seemingly have no clue about (judging from your responses)...yet act as you do lol

[marpat]

You obviously are either dyslexic or have a eye problem. And you know all about Ickes moon theories? Wow....Where can I get an advanced copy too?

Just commenting on what people are discussing!! is he or is he not trying to claim the moon is a space station where aliens/ reptilians control the world?

[beldazar]

Yes - The Truman Show - is this what life on Earth all boiling down too? A complete and total fraud?

It's certainly starting to look that way :)

[pound]

Horned Caananite Deities

Horns doesn't mean reptilians...in fact most reptiles do not have horns.


The hell it doesnt. Most depictions and descriptions of 'royal' dracs included them being winged and 'horned'. As many posts as you have on this forum you should know this..lol

[marpat]

You obviously are either dyslexic or have an eye problem.

And you know all about Ickes moon theories? Wow....Where can I get an advanced copy too? And I seriously doubt with a capital S, that you have actually read any of his books judging on how uninformed you come across when discussing these issues that Icke addresses in his books, that you seemingly have no clue about (judging from your responses)...yet act as you do lol

So not agreeing with everything he says means I havent read his books? all you are doing is sidetracking the real issues and questions by trying to claim people havent read his work. It's pretty lame to do that.

Is he claiming the moon is a space ship?

[pound]

So not agreeing with everything he says means I havent read his books? all you are doing is sidetracking the real issues and questions by trying to claim people havent read his work. It's pretty lame to do that.

Is he claiming the moon is a space ship?

Well do you own his new book?

[marpat]

Well do you own his new book?

Another evasion I see

[pound]

Another evasion I see

Simple question. Do you?

[marpat]

Simple question. Do you?

Nope but I am asking you one thing. Why is it such a problem to answer if that is what he is claiming

[zanarkandz]

Simple question. Do you?

Yeah he should answer that question just like you answered every one he posted...ffs

[marpat]

Yeah he should answer that question just like you answered every one he posted...ffs

He will evade the real issue because he knows in his heart of heart that it is bullshit.

I wonder if Icke ever wrote for the Daily Sport :D

[pound]

So not agreeing with everything he says means I havent read his books? all you are doing is sidetracking the real issues and questions by trying to claim people havent read his work. It's pretty lame to do that.

Is he claiming the moon is a space ship?

I have no problems with people who simply disagree. But tell me why you disagree so I can judge for myself the root of your disagreement. You gave a few of your reasons and I kindly responded with my point of view. But this is the funny part. For someone (such as yourself) who has claimed to have read and is familiar with the fundamentals of Ickes teachings, you honestly appear to be clueless and in fact not that well read in the subjects you so vehemently seem to oppose the possibility of:)
.........This is rather strange to me lol

[pound]

Yeah he should answer that question just like you answered every one he posted...ffs


+1

You make a very good point. It's all one-sided with this guy.

[marpat]

I have no problems with people who simply disagree. But tell me why you disagree so I can judge for myself the root of your disagreement. You gave a few of your reasons and I kindly responded with my point of view. But this is the funny part. For someone (such as yourself) who has claimed to have read and is familiar with the fundamentals of Ickes teachings, you honestly appear to be clueless and in fact not that well read in the subjects you so vehemently seem to oppose the possibility of:)
.........This is rather strange to me lol

Sorry but your viewpoint is completely false. What you are saying is because I do not follow his views and believe in them that I am clueless.

Lets forget about possibility and talk about probability. Why not actually get down to it and talk about actual facts.

Fact. Icke has NEVER seen a reptilian even though he claims he was born from the christ consciousness and states that seeing them is done by merely changing vibration. Surely because of his high spiritual birth he would be able to do this and provide direct insight rather than just REPORTING what others claim to have seen, with no proof.

Again you deflect the issue and try to make it personal. Lets stick to the issues rather than trying to make claims about what people have read, something which you cannot really know. All you reveal is how willing you are to believe anything put before you if the right name is on the cover, which in effect makes you a sheep.

Is Icke claiming the moon is a space ship? you seem to avoid the issue

[pound]

Sorry but your viewpoint is completely false. What you are saying is because I do not follow his views and believe in them that I am clueless.

Lets forget about possibility and talk about probability. Why not actually get down to it and talk about actual facts.

Fact. Icke has NEVER seen a reptilian even though he claims he was born from the christ consciousness and states that seeing them is done by merely changing vibration. Surely because of his high spiritual birth he would be able to do this and provide direct insight rather than just REPORTING what others claim to have seen, with no proof.

Again you deflect the issue and try to make it personal. Lets stick to the issues rather than trying to make claims about what people have read, something which you cannot really know. All you reveal is how willing you are to believe anything put before you if the right name is on the cover, which in effect makes you a sheep.

Is Icke claiming the moon is a space ship? you seem to avoid the issue

Judging from the book synopsis yeah it looks like thats what he is claiming? Whats your point? I havent read the book nor have you. Maybe you should reserve making any kind of conclusive statements on his new work until you have ACTUALLY READ IT. lol...You are thick arent you?:)

Im not gonna respond to your other comments. It isnt anything Ive already addressed and answered a million times before in this post and other ones. Seeing that you cant seem to register information properly (possible dyslexia I suppose), I wont waste my time. If you have any sense I trust you will review past posts made.

[pound]

Fact. Icke has NEVER seen a reptilian even though he claims he was born from the christ consciousness and states that seeing them is done by merely changing vibration. Surely because of his high spiritual birth he would be able to do this and provide direct insight rather than just REPORTING what others claim to have seen, with no proof.


Aside from the Ted Heath incident, that is totally irrelevant and you know it. Hundreds of eyewitnesses have witnessed these entities and that is all the 'conclusive evidence' that they will ever need. And for the record, I believe them as does Icke who has relayed this information to us, the masses.

For all of your other questions why not e-mail Mr. Icke himself and ask him? Sounds good to me:)

[elo_zorn]

All of this according to the Luciferian....Thats the thing with you guys. Everything is reversed and skewed, what is normally bad is actually good and vice, versa..lol.
Tell you what, why dont read up a little more on the Brotherhood of the snake (because its obvious you arent to informed in this area) to get to the gist of what I was saying. lol.....While highlighting a select passage that paints them in a rather good light research a bit more to find out what this society eventually became to get a sense of the bigger picture:)


....BTW check back and actually read what I posted. When I referred to Talbots book when I stated that much of Ickes work concerning a 'holigraphic' universe came from Talbots source and not the movie "The matrix' (Talbots work predates the Matrix movie by atleast 9 years) as Marpat had stated. I never made the connection between Talbots work and 'reptilians'...That is you seeing only what you want to see. Although now that you mention it, yes, I do think Icke was spot on in his correlation and analysis of the two.

What the hell are you talking about? None of this comes from a Luciferian source whatsoever...it came from the original sources of info on the subjects, that you ignore completely. Don't try to pull this Crowleyite/Luciferian bullshit on me, because I am neither and you have nothing to back that up. I guarantee that if you pick up a book on any of the things you mentioned, they will not include ANYTHING about alien reptilian shapeshifters unless its an Icke book or some other researcher expanding on Icke's theory. In fact, if you simply typed in each of the deities/entities that you mentioned on a search engine, you will immediately find sources of every single thing I mentioned...and they won't include any reference to reptilian shapeshifters.

The fact of the matter is that the cultures and religions behind these deities and beings that you've mentioned do not share the same view as Icke whatsoever (in fact they're explanations generally reside on the polar opposite side of the spectrum), and the fact that you ignore this is absolutely ignorant and quite egotistical. Who are you to correct thousands of years of religious, cultural and mystical teachings and traditions?

Trust me, I've read quite a pile on the Brotherhood of the Serpent and all the other topics you mentioned...I just thought it was funny that the very website you linked to cite sources didn't support your "evidence" whatsoever, and actually supported what I was saying about the subjects mentioned.

My point about Talbot is that his theory is based on scientific evidence and does not back up anything to do with reptilian shapeshifters, therefore you shouldn't be using him in an argument supporting the alleged entities or their means of control. Talbot's theory actually puts weight against the idea, as his theory encompasses the entire universe and not just the reality that our reptilian overloads beam down to us from the moon.

The hell it doesnt. Most depictions and descriptions of 'royal' dracs included them being winged and 'horned'. As many posts as you have on this forum you should know this..lol

Goats have horns too, how can you rule them out so fast? "Royal Dracs" as you call them are a by-product of alien fringe theories that stretch their theories over their sources...as in they have no tangible form so they can not be toted as evidence. Reptilian imagery alongside the nomenclature "Draco" stems from the fact that the constellation of Draco is represented by a snake or dragon because of it's star's positions. With your logic, would beings from Taurus look like bull? They have horns too, so don't rule them out! Maybe in the age of Aquarius we'll be invaded by nefarious buckets of water...

[pound]

What the hell are you talking about? None of this comes from a Luciferian source whatsoever...it came from the original sources of info on the subjects, that you ignore completely. Don't try to pull this Crowleyite/Luciferian bullshit on me, because I am neither and you have nothing to back that up. I guarantee that if you pick up a book on any of the things you mentioned, they will not include ANYTHING about alien reptilian shapeshifters unless its an Icke book or some other researcher expanding on Icke's theory.
The fact of the matter is that the cultures and religions behind these deities and beings that you've mentioned do not share the same view as Icke whatsoever (in fact they're explanations generally reside on the polar opposite side of the spectrum), and the fact that you ignore this is absolutely ignorant and quite egotistical. Who are you to correct thousands of years of religious, cultural and mystical teachings and traditions?

Trust me, I've read quite a pile on the Brotherhood of the Serpent and all the other topics you mentioned...I just thought it was funny that the very website you linked to cite sources didn't support your "evidence" whatsoever, and actually supported what I was saying about the subjects mentioned.


Your alliances are pretty obvious judging from this thread. Dont kid yourself:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98015

Despite all of their reported good intentions, the legendary Ea
and early Brotherhood clearly failed to free the human race.
Ancient Mesopotamian, Egyptian, and biblical texts relate that
the "snake" was quickly defeated by other Cus- . todial
factions. The Bible informs us that the serpent in the Garden
of Eden was overcome before it was able to complete its
mission and give Adam and Eve the "fruit" from the second
"tree." Ea (who was also symbolized as a snake) was banished
to Earth and was extensively villainized by his opponents to
ensure that he could never again secure a widespread following
among human beings. Ea's title was changed from "Prince of
Earth" to "Prince of Darkness." He was labeled other horrible
epithets: Satan, the Devil, Evil Incarnate, Monarch of Hell,
Lord of Vermin, Prince of Liars, and more. He was portrayed
as the mortal enemy of a Supreme Being and as the keeper of
Hell. People were taught that his only intentions were to
spiritually enslave everyone and that everything bad on
Earth was caused by him. Humans were encouraged to
detect him in all of his future lives ("incarnations") and to
destroy him and his creations whenever he was discovered.
All beliefs and practices named after his various appellations
("Satanism," "Devil Worship," etc.) were to be made so
horrific and degrading that no right-thinking person would (or
should) have anything to do with them. He and his followers
were to be viewed by human beings with nothing but the
utmost loathing.

Ea wound up giving his enemies a powerful tool
of spiritual repression. Ea then appears to have compounded
the blunder by founding and/or empowering the early Snake
Brotherhood which, after its reported defeat, continued to
remain a powerful force in human affairs, but under the
domination of the very Custodial factions that Ea and the
original Brotherhood were said to have opposed. History
indicates that the Brotherhood was turned under its new Custodial
"gods" into a chilling weapon of spiritual repression
and betrayal, despite the efforts of many sincere humanitarians
to bring about true spiritual reform through Brotherhood
channels all the way up until today. By reportedly creating
a work race and the Brotherhood of the Snake, the "god"
Ea had helped build a trap for billions of spiritual beings
on Earth.
As we shall now begin to carefully document, the Brotherhood
of the Snake has been the world's most effective tool
for preserving mankind's status as a spiritually ignorant
creature of toil throughout all of history. During all of that
time, and continuing today, the Brotherhood and its network
of organizations have remained intimately tied to the UFO
phenomenon. This corruption of the Brotherhood, and the
overwhelming effect it would have on human society, was
already apparent by the year 2000 B.C. in ancient Egypt—
the next stop on our journey.

Those were a few excerpts from "gods of eden" by William Bramley from which the 'bibliotecapleyades' link comes from. Please read up. Your analysis is grossly off the mark. But I wouldnt expect anything less coming from a crowleyite:)

In fact, if you simply typed in each of the deities/entities that you mentioned on a search engine, you will immediately find sources of every single thing I mentioned...and they won't include any reference to reptilian shapeshifters.


What 'sources' are you referencing? We dont seem to be accessing the same information lol


My point about Talbot is that his theory is based on scientific evidence and does not back up anything to do with reptilian shapeshifters, therefore you shouldn't be using him in an argument supporting the alleged entities or their means of control. Talbot's theory actually puts weight against the idea, as his theory encompasses the entire universe and not just the reality that our reptilian overloads beam down to us from the moon



You are making references to Ickes new moon theories yet you havent thoroughly read through any of his new revelations to make any solid conclusions. How does this work? BTW I disagree with you totally on your interpretation of Talbots work. Im simply not convinced by your argument. We can agree to disagree on that one:)

[flyermay]

As I said in my previous post: it doesn't matter if this new 'moon matrix' theory is true or not, as it's just going to be used by those who hate Icke and conspiracy theories to attack him and the rest of the truth-seeker movement; as it is just happening now on this thread. :mad:

I got bad news for all of you PTB lovers: even if Icke is wrong this time it doesn't mean he is always wrong (not even Jesus was right all the time :)).

[pound]

Goats have horns too, how can you rule them out so fast? "Royal Dracs" as you call them are a by-product of alien fringe theories that stretch their theories over their sources...as in they have no tangible form so they can not be toted as evidence. Reptilian imagery alongside the nomenclature "Draco" stems from the fact that the constellation of Draco is represented by a snake or dragon because of it's star's positions. With your logic, would beings from Taurus look like bull? They have horns too, so don't rule them out! Maybe in the age of Aquarius we'll be invaded by nefarious buckets of water...



Goats have horns too? wow you dont say? Just like Baphomet eh?
Molech (in his male form), Marduk, Baal. All caananite/Mesopotamian deities portrayed with horns and loosely associated with the pre-christian 'satanic' pantheon. We know that serpents and dragons were associated with Lucifer/satan/ea/enki in Mesopotamian texts. How about Bacchus and Pan? Both horned malevolent deities also. Couple all of this with the Nephilim/demons/archons/watchers/Annunaki tales (and the testament of amram directly referring to beings with 'snake' faces like a 'viper' coming down to rule over man) with all the other global ancient accounts of 'gods' coming down from the skies (and sometimes from the water..Oannes, Dagon, Nimrod..the Beast from revelations) giving man all 'civilzation'...whoa..! Thats lots of corroborating evidence in the form of theological/historical texts already and we havent even talked about meso-america, africa, asia or India yet.
Also we havent talked about all the ancient depictions of the 'serpent race' in paintings of all varieties and other references stretching back to time immemorial.
Have we even talked about all of the ancient and modern day eyewitness accounts of 'reptilian' beings either?!? Or the 'underground supermen' called the 'Vril' that Hitler supposedly fell under the influence of!?! From a Cryptozoological standpoint how about the existence and possible survival of the Troodon Stenonychosaurus?? Or the so called 'lizard man' sightings in Riverside, California and West Virginia (Mothman, and the flat woods monster)??

..........Come on, you have got to be blind to see that we have more than enough grounds to build a case here for the basis of the existence and or possibility of a 'reptilian race' manipulating and infiltrating human affairs since the beginning of known time:)

Get your head out of the sand, and actually go out and research the subject further by buying one of Ickes books instead of relying on simple hearsay and speculation that you read from one of Icke's detractors.

[elo_zorn]

Your alliances are pretty obvious judging from this thread. Dont kid yourself:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98015


Those were a few excerpts from "gods of eden" by William Bramley from which the 'bibliotecapleyades' link comes from. Please read up. Your analysis is grossly off the mark. But I wouldnt expect anything less coming from a crowleyite:)



What 'sources' are you referencing? We dont seem to be accessing the same information lol

Go ahead and keep up with your slander of me but you really just put your foot in your mouth there with that reference. Did you actually read it? It says exactly what I'm saying! The Brotherhood of the Serpent was a positive group trying to free humanity, and they were impeded by another group who uses their name to disillusion us. It goes into detail about how the other group who wants to keep us enslaved flipped everything around to make the Brotherhood seem like the bad guys. Nice try though...here I'll even highlight some points of interest for you since you've completely missed the point:

Despite all of their reported good intentions, the legendary Ea
and early Brotherhood clearly failed to free the human race.
Ancient Mesopotamian, Egyptian, and biblical texts relate that
the "snake" was quickly defeated by other Cus- . todial
factions. The Bible informs us that the serpent in the Garden
of Eden was overcome before it was able to complete its
mission and give Adam and Eve the "fruit" from the second
"tree." Ea (who was also symbolized as a snake) was banished
to Earth and was extensively villainized by his opponents to
ensure that he could never again secure a widespread following
among human beings. Ea's title was changed from "Prince of
Earth" to "Prince of Darkness." He was labeled other horrible
epithets: Satan, the Devil, Evil Incarnate, Monarch of Hell,
Lord of Vermin, Prince of Liars, and more. He was portrayed
as the mortal enemy of a Supreme Being and as the keeper of
Hell. People were taught that his only intentions were to
spiritually enslave everyone and that everything bad on
Earth was caused by him. Humans were encouraged to
detect him in all of his future lives ("incarnations") and to
destroy him and his creations whenever he was discovered.
All beliefs and practices named after his various appellations
("Satanism," "Devil Worship," etc.) were to be made so
horrific and degrading that no right-thinking person would (or
should) have anything to do with them. He and his followers
were to be viewed by human beings with nothing but the
utmost loathing.

Ea wound up giving his enemies a powerful tool
of spiritual repression. Ea then appears to have compounded
the blunder by founding and/or empowering the early Snake
Brotherhood which, after its reported defeat, continued to
remain a powerful force in human affairs, but under the
domination of the very Custodial factions that Ea and the
original Brotherhood were said to have opposed. History
indicates that the Brotherhood was turned under its new Custodial
"gods" into a chilling weapon of spiritual repression
and betrayal, despite the efforts of many sincere humanitarians
to bring about true spiritual reform through Brotherhood
channels all the way up until today. By reportedly creating
a work race and the Brotherhood of the Snake, the "god"
Ea had helped build a trap for billions of spiritual beings
on Earth.
As we shall now begin to carefully document, the Brotherhood
of the Snake has been the world's most effective tool
for preserving mankind's status as a spiritually ignorant
creature of toil throughout all of history. During all of that
time, and continuing today, the Brotherhood and its network
of organizations have remained intimately tied to the UFO
phenomenon. This corruption of the Brotherhood, and the
overwhelming effect it would have on human society, was
already apparent by the year 2000 B.C. in ancient Egypt—
the next stop on our journey.


You are making references to Ickes new moon theories yet you havent thoroughly read through any of his new revelations to make any solid conclusions. How does this work? BTW I disagree with you totally on your interpretation of Talbots work. Im simply not convinced by your argument. We can agree to disagree on that one:)

I'm basing my opinion on the book review that was quite clear about what Icke writes about. I didn't attack any of the details that I couldn't have read yet. I also didn't offer any "interpretation" of Talbot's work, I just mentioned that it's based on scientific evidence and that it encompasses the entire universe...hense the title "Holographic Universe".

[marc_o]

Lyndon LaRouche: Address to Moscow Anti-Globalist Conference - YouTube

Lyndon Larouche was said to have the biggest private intellegence gathering operation in the world.

Now he is pushing to go to Mars.

Reckon this may relate to the moon matrix thing?

Maybe they are trying to destroy the moon matrix for good?

[pound]

Go ahead and keep up with your slander of me but you really just put your foot in your mouth there with that reference. Did you actually read it? It says exactly what I'm saying! The Brotherhood of the Serpent was a positive group trying to free humanity, and they were impeded by another group who uses their name to disillusion us. It goes into detail about how the other group who wants to keep us enslaved flipped everything around to make the Brotherhood seem like the bad guys. Nice try though...here I'll even highlight some points of interest for you since you've completely missed the point:

Despite all of their reported good intentions, the legendary Ea
and early Brotherhood clearly failed to free the human race.
Ancient Mesopotamian, Egyptian, and biblical texts relate that
the "snake" was quickly defeated by other Cus- . todial
factions. The Bible informs us that the serpent in the Garden
of Eden was overcome before it was able to complete its
mission and give Adam and Eve the "fruit" from the second
"tree." Ea (who was also symbolized as a snake) was banished
to Earth and was extensively villainized by his opponents to
ensure that he could never again secure a widespread following
among human beings. Ea's title was changed from "Prince of
Earth" to "Prince of Darkness." He was labeled other horrible
epithets: Satan, the Devil, Evil Incarnate, Monarch of Hell,
Lord of Vermin, Prince of Liars, and more. He was portrayed
as the mortal enemy of a Supreme Being and as the keeper of
Hell. People were taught that his only intentions were to
spiritually enslave everyone and that everything bad on
Earth was caused by him. Humans were encouraged to
detect him in all of his future lives ("incarnations") and to
destroy him and his creations whenever he was discovered.
All beliefs and practices named after his various appellations
("Satanism," "Devil Worship," etc.) were to be made so
horrific and degrading that no right-thinking person would (or
should) have anything to do with them. He and his followers
were to be viewed by human beings with nothing but the
utmost loathing.

Ea wound up giving his enemies a powerful tool
of spiritual repression. Ea then appears to have compounded
the blunder by founding and/or empowering the early Snake
Brotherhood which, after its reported defeat, continued to
remain a powerful force in human affairs, but under the
domination of the very Custodial factions that Ea and the
original Brotherhood were said to have opposed. History
indicates that the Brotherhood was turned under its new Custodial
"gods" into a chilling weapon of spiritual repression
and betrayal, despite the efforts of many sincere humanitarians
to bring about true spiritual reform through Brotherhood
channels all the way up until today. By reportedly creating
a work race and the Brotherhood of the Snake, the "god"
Ea had helped build a trap for billions of spiritual beings
on Earth.
As we shall now begin to carefully document, the Brotherhood
of the Snake has been the world's most effective tool
for preserving mankind's status as a spiritually ignorant
creature of toil throughout all of history. During all of that
time, and continuing today, the Brotherhood and its network
of organizations have remained intimately tied to the UFO
phenomenon. This corruption of the Brotherhood, and the
overwhelming effect it would have on human society, was
already apparent by the year 2000 B.C. in ancient Egypt—
the next stop on our journey.



Yeah...so tell me where I was wrong?:)

[pound]

Sumerian texts
Sitchen doesn't even talk about reptilian shapeshifters in his "translations", and he's at the forefront of fringe archaeology on the subject. I'd like to see an example of what you're alluding to here.


Sitchen was also the one that warned Icke circa 1998 not to quote/unquote 'go there' concerning the existence of Reptilians. Arizona Wilder also claimed to see him 'shape-shift' at certian rituals back in the early 80's. Sitchen avoids any talk of 'reptilians' in his works(for various reasons as we can now see lol)....that isnt any secret.

Dead Sea Scrolls quote-
"Serpent" beings are quite often regarded as symbol for enlightened/wise/spiritual beings Also, the section you quote is known to be fragmented bits and pieces of different writings strung together and is unfinished. Taking a religious writing 100% literally is a real cop out of an excuse for "research" or "evidence" of anything. I do agree that this sounds like it may have been a frightening or perhaps even a negative experience in this case and I am quite familiar with the Watchers from reading the Book of Enoch.


When coupled with all of the other evidence it makes perfect sense.

Vimanas

These are flying machines, not reptilian aliens. It also means temple or palace. Even wikipedia could have told you that

Flying machines=UFO's with 'celestial beings' RE: aliens, Possibly Reptilian given how prevalent the "nagas" and the "sarpa" were in the same Veda books.

Jinn

Evil spirits or a Genie does not denote reptilian form. Again, references to the details your insinuating here please

'Jinn' were the Islamic equivalent of the biblical 'demons' RE: Reptilians. Jinn also had the very 'reptilian'-esque ability to shape-shift just like the native american 'Trixsters' and 'skinwalkers'.

Hopi Snake Brothers

Again, you use something a group totes as a postive thing as negative. Why do you think they use the term "brother" here?


Google the underground tunnel complex underneath Downtown Los angeles. Dr. GW shufelt did seismic surveys on the area back in the 30's with the help of a Hopi shaman who said that his people believed according to theyre folklore that they constructed these underground cities with the help of the benevolent (and possibly malevolent) 'snake brothers' during a cataclysm thousands of years ago involving comets and possible floods.

Quetzalcoatl

This deity was extremely peaceful and highly regarded...in fact it was this deity who halted human sacrifice asking for butterflies and flowers instead! Don't forget that this serpent being also had feathers (a Quetzal is a bird), representing the merging of the physical (serpent) and spiritual (bird) as well as many other things.


Quetzacoalt shares many similiarities with the Oannes/Dagon/Nimrod/Beast from revelations character. Perhaps Quetzelcoatl was a benevolent deity. His maya counterpart "Kukulcan" was a known idol though that people would offer up animal sacrifices and human sacrifices too, this is in fact true for both deities despite popular belief.

Leviathan
Sea monster...not reptilian shapeshifter



Evil and horned and very dragon like nonetheless!

Oannes
A fish like being...not reptilian...


Possibly an amphibious alien entity from Sirius. Similar to the so called 'nomo' of the Dogon tribe. But if reptilians have the ability to shape-shift, perhaps this being was just another one of theyre 'manifestations'.

[elo_zorn]

Yeah...so tell me where I was wrong?:)

You have got to be kidding me...both sections you quoted are about how the Brotherhood was a good thing, and were framed and infiltrated so they'd be viewed as the "devil" to turn people away from them and to use the group for further control. You were entirely wrong but I guess your just too thick headed to see that.

"Ea (who was also symbolized as a snake) was banished
to Earth and was extensively villainized by his opponents to
ensure that he could never again secure a widespread following
among human beings. Ea's title was changed from "Prince of
Earth" to "Prince of Darkness." He was labeled other horrible
epithets: Satan, the Devil, Evil Incarnate, Monarch of Hell,
Lord of Vermin, Prince of Liars, and more. He was portrayed
as the mortal enemy of a Supreme Being and as the keeper of
Hell."

"...the Brotherhood was turned under its new Custodial
"gods" into a chilling weapon of spiritual repression
and betrayal, despite the efforts of many sincere humanitarians
to bring about true spiritual reform through Brotherhood
channels all the way up until today."

Ea is also known as Enki and was the brother of Enlil who wanted to create a slave race to rule over. Enki mixes his own DNA with ours in order to free us from Enlil's enslavement and is severely reprimanded for it...hence the banishing. I'd suggest re-reading but your tunnel vision is completely blinding you from your obvious blunder of posting this as an argument against my opinion when it completely supports it in every way.

[spitalwings]

Aside from the Ted Heath incident, that is totally irrelevant and you know it. Hundreds of eyewitnesses have witnessed these entities and that is all the 'conclusive evidence' that they will ever need. And for the record, I believe them as does Icke who has relayed this information to us, the masses.

For all of your other questions why not e-mail Mr. Icke himself and ask him? Sounds good to me:)

Out of those hundreds of witnesses the majority of them post on icke's reptile forum and they're all nut nuts.

[elo_zorn]

Sitchen was also the one that warned Icke circa 1998 not to quote/unquote 'go there' concerning the existence of Reptilians. Arizona Wilder also claimed to see him 'shape-shift' at certian rituals back in the early 80's. Sitchen avoids any talk of 'reptilians' in his works(for various reasons as we can now see lol)....that isnt any secret.



When coupled with all of the other evidence it makes perfect sense.



Flying machines=UFO's with 'celestial beings' RE: aliens, Possibly Reptilian given how prevalent the "nagas" and the "sarpa" were in the same Veda books.



'Jinn' were the Islamic equivalent of the biblical 'demons' RE: Reptilians. Jinn also had the very 'reptilian'-esque ability to shape-shift just like the native american 'Trixsters' and 'skinwalkers'.



Google the underground tunnel complex underneath Downtown Los angeles. Dr. GW shufelt did seismic surveys on the area back in the 30's with the help of a Hopi shaman who said that his people believed according to theyre folklore that they constructed these underground cities with the help of the benevolent (and possibly malevolent) 'snake brothers' during a cataclysm thousands of years ago involving comets and possible floods.



Quetzacoalt shares many similiarities with the Oannes/Dagon/Nimrod/Beast from revelations character. Perhaps Quetzelcoatl was a benevolent deity. His maya counterpart "Kukulcan" was a known idol though that people would offer up animal sacrifices and human sacrifices too, this is in fact true for both deities despite popular belief.



Evil and horned and very dragon like nonetheless!



Possibly an amphibious alien entity from Sirius. Similar to the so called 'nomo' of the Dogon tribe. But if reptilians have the ability to shape-shift, perhaps this being was just another one of theyre 'manifestations'.

Careful, if you keep stretching it's going to rip! This is all your own personal interpretation which is heavily based on Icke's theories and has nothing to do with the original sources of information like I stated earlier.

By the way, that guy got permission to dig a tunnel in a spot of his choice, and he found NOTHING, and the Hopi believe the Serpent beings to be their benevolent brothers. Stttrrrrrreeeeeeeeettttttttccchhhhhh....

[pound]

You have got to be kidding me...both sections you quoted are about how the Brotherhood was a good thing, and were framed and infiltrated so they'd be viewed as the "devil" to turn people away from them and to use the group for further control. You were entirely wrong but I guess your just too thick headed to see that.

"Ea (who was also symbolized as a snake) was banished
to Earth and was extensively villainized by his opponents to
ensure that he could never again secure a widespread following
among human beings. Ea's title was changed from "Prince of
Earth" to "Prince of Darkness." He was labeled other horrible
epithets: Satan, the Devil, Evil Incarnate, Monarch of Hell,
Lord of Vermin, Prince of Liars, and more. He was portrayed
as the mortal enemy of a Supreme Being and as the keeper of
Hell."

"...the Brotherhood was turned under its new Custodial
"gods" into a chilling weapon of spiritual repression
and betrayal, despite the efforts of many sincere humanitarians
to bring about true spiritual reform through Brotherhood
channels all the way up until today."

Ea is also known as Enki and was the brother of Enlil who wanted to create a slave race to rule over. Enki mixes his own DNA with ours in order to free us from Enlil's enslavement and is severely reprimanded for it...hence the banishing. I'd suggest re-reading but your tunnel vision is completely blinding you from your obvious blunder of posting this as an argument against my opinion when it completely supports it in every way.

Talking loud and saying absolutely nothing. You do know that Lucifer is also 'ea'/enki?? I trust that you know the story of Lucifer as well? Oh wait...thats right. If you do, you will still try to paint this deity in a positive light, that is afterall what most Luciferians and Crowleyites tend to do:)

BTW I believe that yahweh/enlil was just as contradictory in his actions as well. So I guess its a case of the lesser of two evils. :)

[pound]

Out of those hundreds of witnesses the majority of them post on icke's reptile forum and they're all nut nuts.


I will take theyre word for it over yours anyday.

*no offense BTW..just being honest.

[pound]

Careful, if you keep stretching it's going to rip! This is all your own personal interpretation which is heavily based on Icke's theories and has nothing to do with the original sources of information like I stated earlier.

By the way, that guy got permission to dig a tunnel in a spot of his choice, and he found NOTHING, and the Hopi believe the Serpent beings to be their benevolent brothers. Stttrrrrrreeeeeeeeettttttttccchhhhhh....

Wrong again on the tunnel. He didnt get the chance to dig all the way down before the city came along and revoked his access to dig any further. The hole was filled back in where it remains to this day, unexplored. You should really read things a little bit better before jumping to conclusions lol

Show me these so called 'original sources' you speak of. You've got me curious now:)

[metacomet]

I've a feeling, regardless of what may be behind it, that Icke's "Moon Matrix" theory will be the last straw even for those who were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt; await the deluge of ridicule and merciless mockery from the world, David.

I'm sure he's just terrified of what the world thinks of him ;)

[elo_zorn]

Talking loud and saying absolutely nothing. You do know that Lucifer is also 'ea'/enki?? I trust that you know the story of Lucifer as well? Oh wait...thats right. If you do, you will still try to paint this deity in a positive light, that is afterall what most Luciferians and Crowleyites tend to do:)

BTW I believe that yahweh/enlil was just as contradictory in his actions as well. So I guess its a case of the lesser of two evils. :)

I've said quite a bit, but you just like many others around here refuse to answer the tough questions that cause problems for your rigid belief systems. And how exactly am I being loud on an internet forum? Do you read my posts out loud to yourself and imagine that I'm yelling at you?

I guess you missed the part of your own quote that explained how Ea was FRAMED as the devil/Lucifer. Keep chewing on that foot...nom nom nom!

Wrong again on the tunnel. He didnt get the chance to dig all the way down before the city came along and revoked his access to dig any further. The hole was filled back in where it remains to this day, unexplored. You should really read things a little bit better before jumping to conclusions lol

Show me these so called 'original sources' you speak of. You've got me curious now

I didn't jump to any conclusion, the guy didn't find anything regardless of whether he stopped on his own or was halted by the city. The city stopping him proves nothing.

[brainfreeze]

brainfreeze wrote:



What other people do or don't do is none of your business. Or
my business.

You are only responsible for your response.

Though, Mr. brainfreeze people might take you more seriously if you
bothered to read the books yourself.

Then you wouldn't have to worry about other people.

I was only pointing out that your words in the post I quoted were a litttle NLP mate.

You are the one who called them IDIOTS and I clarified :D

And as forum admin surely you know it's not MR, or did you mean to be disrespectful?

And are you promoting Ickes books again?

I've mentioned before, I don't buy his books but I watch his free vids. Are his vids crap compared to his books?

[brainfreeze]

Product placement again :cool:

That's how you choose to see it.

What I was saying was, Sean was the one that labeled them IDIOTS with his loaded words. Are you intentionally detracting from that or did you genuinely miss what I was saying?

[brainfreeze]

Says the person who actually owns none of Ickes books and only claims to have skimmed a few of his videos. Your opinion is subjective and based on ignorance and hate at best.

Go read the previous posts I responded to before you jump on the bandwagon here. Did you too genuinely miss what I was clarifying? :rolleyes:

Is this what you lot call gang stalking :)

[brainfreeze]

Although I agree with you here partially, I think Icke is a very smart man and knows how his work affects most of his readers/listeners. The way he presents his "journey" does not come off as just that even though he generally throws in precursors like "think for yourself, do your own research" etc. He presents his work methodically as fact, and does not explore alternate avenues outside of his predecided Reptilian Illuminati theory...this is approach is geared to convince, not provoke thought. It also makes for a lot of cherry picking of data rather than a thorough open minded approach. Because of his delivery and audience, people chew it up and generally do not check sources and when they do they only do so with the perspective Icke built up for them. This approach creates the religious fanaticsm and hypnotism that he speaks against, and I find it very hard to believe that he doesn't see this.



elo_zorn WROTE:



What nonsense.




Really, mate - so you must know everybody on this forum and in your
op[inion they are all blind, dumb idiots who swallow everything they
are told?

This forum has - how many members- 4,000?? - when did you meet
them all to form this judgement?

Or maybe you're projecting your own tendencies onto
everybody else??

Forget about everybody else.

uSE the book to challenge all your own root assumptions
about the nature of reality .....and let other people do what they
want to do with it.

if the ideas resonate with you - investigate more.

if you think they are bullshit - dump the book into the nearest bin.


Oh come on Sean there are loads more reasons why people may read and accept what they have read without researching ALL the facts themselves other than THEY'RE IDIOTS.

One I can think of and has been used over and over again is, they're seduced by a charismatic aurator. Come on, even Hilter knew that. All his followes were not dimwitted idiots. They were wrongly seduced by what Hilter SAID.

Here it is so you don't have to scroll back.

Pure distraction to detract from a good post made, is what I was pointing out .

[morphal]

Brotherhood of the Serpent-

...using the website you've linked (bibliotecapleyades):

" Brotherhood of the Snake

OF ALL THE animals revered in ancient human societies, none were as prominent or as important as the snake. The snake was the logo of a group which had become very influential in early human societies of both Hemispheres. That group was a disciplined Brotherhood dedicated to the dissemination of spiritual knowledge and the attainment of spiritual freedom. This Brotherhood of the Snake (also known as the “Brotherhood of the Serpent,” but which I will often refer to as simply the “Brotherhood”) opposed the enslavement of spiritual beings and, according to Egyptian writings, it sought to liberate the human race from Custodial bondage.* "

Sumerian texts
Sitchen doesn't even talk about reptilian shapeshifters in his "translations", and he's at the forefront of fringe archaeology on the subject. I'd like to see an example of what you're alluding to here.


Dead Sea Scrolls quote-
"Serpent" beings are quite often regarded as symbol for enlightened/wise/spiritual beings Also, the section you quote is known to be fragmented bits and pieces of different writings strung together and is unfinished. Taking a religious writing 100% literally is a real cop out of an excuse for "research" or "evidence" of anything. I do agree that this sounds like it may have been a frightening or perhaps even a negative experience in this case and I am quite familiar with the Watchers from reading the Book of Enoch.

Vimanas

These are flying machines, not reptilian aliens. It also means temple or palace. Even wikipedia could have told you that.

Nagas

Although these serpent beings are sometimes viewed in a negative light within the Vedic texts, they are also seen as benevolent beings of wisdom/spirituality like I mentioned earlier...this is especially true from the Buddhist perspective on the Nagas.

Jinn

Evil spirits or a Genie does not denote reptilian form. Again, references to the details your insinuating here please.

Hopi Snake Brothers

Again, you use something a group totes as a postive thing as negative. Why do you think they use the term "brother" here?

Horned Caananite Deities

Horns doesn't mean reptilians...in fact most reptiles do not have horns.

Quetzalcoatl

This deity was extremely peaceful and highly regarded...in fact it was this deity who halted human sacrifice asking for butterflies and flowers instead! Don't forget that this serpent being also had feathers (a Quetzal is a bird), representing the merging of the physical (serpent) and spiritual (bird) as well as many other things.

Leviathan
Sea monster...not reptilian shapeshifter

Oannes
A fish like being...not reptilian...

Holographic Universe
I bet Mr.Talbot would be really pissed to see his hard and excellent work attached to the shapeshifter theories. Try re-reading his book...he doesn't mention any reptilians beaming down our holographic existence from the moon hahaha...the book is called the Holographic Universe, as in everything is a hologram not just our earthly reality.

Looks like it's you who needs to brush up on your reading...try going to original sources of info rather than only reading Icke's massive stretches of his witness testimonies over everything and anything to do with serpents, monsters, evil spirits etc.

+1 - going to check out this article, thanks.

[morphal]

Goats have horns too? wow you dont say? Just like Baphomet eh?
Molech (in his male form), Marduk, Baal. All caananite/Mesopotamian deities portrayed with horns and loosely associated with the pre-christian 'satanic' pantheon. We know that serpents and dragons were associated with Lucifer/satan/ea/enki in Mesopotamian texts. How about Bacchus and Pan? Both horned malevolent deities also. Couple all of this with the Nephilim/demons/archons/watchers/Annunaki tales (and the testament of amram directly referring to beings with 'snake' faces like a 'viper' coming down to rule over man) with all the other global ancient accounts of 'gods' coming down from the skies (and sometimes from the water..Oannes, Dagon, Nimrod..the Beast from revelations) giving man all 'civilzation'...whoa..! Thats lots of corroborating evidence in the form of theological/historical texts already and we havent even talked about meso-america, africa, asia or India yet.
Also we havent talked about all the ancient depictions of the 'serpent race' in paintings of all varieties and other references stretching back to time immemorial.
Have we even talked about all of the ancient and modern day eyewitness accounts of 'reptilian' beings either?!? Or the 'underground supermen' called the 'Vril' that Hitler supposedly fell under the influence of!?! From a Cryptozoological standpoint how about the existence and possible survival of the Troodon Stenonychosaurus?? Or the so called 'lizard man' sightings in Riverside, California and West Virginia (Mothman, and the flat woods monster)??

..........Come on, you have got to be blind to see that we have more than enough grounds to build a case here for the basis of the existence and or possibility of a 'reptilian race' manipulating and infiltrating human affairs since the beginning of known time:)

Get your head out of the sand, and actually go out and research the subject further by buying one of Ickes books instead of relying on simple hearsay and speculation that you read from one of Icke's detractors.

You've got a lot of info, but the problem is you're mixing up the reptilian and the amphibian - the dragon-serpent and the fish-serpent - both representing different factions of the 'gods of Eden'. You talk about the pre-Christian gods, not realizing that Christianity has its roots in ancient Pagan teachings and mystery cults which speak of the gods and the benevolent and malevolent serpentine beings... not the other way around, as the church would have you believe - that the Pagan teachings somehow infiltrated Christianity in the guise of Christmas, Easter and etc. In fact, even mainstream Christian teachings such as the garden of Eden and the Golden Age to come, are from earlier Pagan religions.

[seanx]

Brainfreeze wrote:

I was only pointing out that your words in the post I quoted were a litttle NLP mate.

You are the one who called them IDIOTS and I clarified

And as forum admin surely you know it's not MR, or did you mean to be disrespectful?

And are you promoting Ickes books again?

I've mentioned before, I don't buy his books but I watch his free vids. Are his vids crap compared to his books?

My friend -you're like the guy?? -woman?? who hasn't got the time,
the energy or the discipline to watch a long play/book or film - and
yet feels free to criticize them.

You are perfectly free to do that - but don't be surprised
if no-one takes you seriously -when you can't even be bothered
to read the books.


forum admin surely you know it's not MR

????????

Look carefully at my name. There are a lot of seans out there in the
world.


And are you promoting Ickes books again

What a horrible, evil, underhand thing to do on the DI FORUM!

What is the world coming to!

[brainfreeze]

Brainfreeze wrote:



My friend -you're like the guy?? -woman?? who hasn't got the time,
the energy or the discipline to watch a long play/book or film - and
yet feels free to criticize them.

You are perfectly free to do that - but don't be surprised
if no-one takes you seriously -when you can't even be bothered
to read the books.




????????

Look carefully at my name. There are a lot of seans out there in the
world.




What a horrible, evil, underhand thing to do on the DI FORUM!

What is the world coming to!

I just don't get what it is ABOUT THE BOOKS that you Ickettes are promoting and why you sneer down your noses at those who have watched Ickes videos and not read his books.

Reading his books somehow makes you lot superior and us who haven't unworthy to comment. Answer me. Are his videos crap compared to his books?

Here is what you deviate from and which I am fit to comment on. I commented that some people may read and not research, as someone else pointed out, for reasons other than they are fucking IDIOTS. That is an illusion you, Sean, perpetuate in you NLP way of making it look like someone else said that. Now you reveal in your post that IDIOTS is what you think of them. Notice how you use the same NLP - wittingly or not - way of deception which was pointed out Icke does. It's not in what he says, but how it is presented. This derailment is an example of how it is HOW you say and present ideas and not what you say that leads the sheep.

Everyone takes Ickes work as fact when it is his illusion of reality which he is sharing. PMSL

Sorry to Seanx admin. This dude sounded like you.

It's all an illusion.

[drakul]

I just don't get what it is ABOUT THE BOOKS that you Ickettes are promoting and why you sneer down your noses at those who have watched Ickes videos and not read his books.

Reading his books somehow makes you lot superior and us who haven't unworthy to comment. Answer me. Are his videos crap compared to his books?


At the very least, do yourself a favor and read - The Biggest Secret - one of the most interesting and challenging soci-historical commentaries ever written, IMHO. The Biggest Secret is over 500 very comprehensive pages. How you gonna get that into a video? Impossible.

[rodin]

That's how you choose to see it.

What I was saying was, Sean was the one that labeled them IDIOTS with his loaded words. Are you intentionally detracting from that or did you genuinely miss what I was saying?

By their works ye shall know them - provided you haven't been brainwashed into thinking freedom is slavery, pornography is spiritual etc

[elo_zorn]

+1 - going to check out this article, thanks.

Merci!

It's only the excerpt about the Brotherhood of the Serpent that was taken from the article on bibliotecapleyades (well worth a read, from the book "Gods of Eden", William Bramley), the rest were brief points I knew from my previous reading...I've got nothing against Pound, but have a real bone to pick with people thinking they can alter thousands of years of history, culture, mysticism and religion in order to cram in their own narrow point of view on top of them. Apparently this makes me a Luciferian hahaha...

[seanx]

Brainfreeze wrote:
I just don't get what it is ABOUT THE BOOKS that you Ickettes are promoting and why you sneer down your noses at those who have watched Ickes videos and not read his books.

Do us all a favour and act grown-up.

Most people couldn't give A DAMN if you read or don't read his books.

What people find laughable is you guys -not having a read A SINGLE
word of his books where he explains and details these ideas -then proceeding
to mock and sneer at these ideas.

That is just plain ignorance and laziness.

By all means CRITICIZE his ideas - but first find out what they are!


Reading his books somehow makes you lot superior and us who haven't unworthy to comment. Answer me. Are his videos crap compared to his books?

More nonsense. it simply means we are interested enough in these
ideas to read up on them.

Again, don't care if you read them or not. But if you don't bother,
refrain from criticizing from you know nothing about.

The videos are just introductions to his ideas. Especially the
concept of the 'matrix' and how the Elite manipulate reality by
manipulating consciousness.


Here is what you deviate from and which I am fit to comment on. I commented that some people may read and not research, as someone else pointed out, for reasons other than they are fucking IDIOTS. That is an illusion you, Sean, perpetuate in you NLP way of making it look like someone else said that. Now you reveal in your post that IDIOTS is what you think of them. Notice how you use the same NLP - wittingly or not - way of deception which was pointed out Icke does. It's not in what he says, but how it is presented. This derailment is an example of how it is HOW you say and present ideas and not what you say that leads the sheep.

What meaningless dribble.

Everyone takes Ickes work as fact when it is his illusion of reality which he is sharing. PMSL

Everyone???

Again, you must have some supernatural ability to know what
EVERYBODY thinks to make such a general statement.

The fact is only a small minority of people on here read his books and
videos and they are a very discerning and intelligent lot, imp.

They approach icke and his books as the writer, researcher and
explorer of the inner world of consciousness that he is.

Not as some guru with ' Ickettes' as you seem to think.

How that word REVEALS your true intentions here!!

I'd say you'd find it impossible to find among those people anybody
who agrees 100% with everything he says.

Yet most would agree that he is one of the few writers who is
heading in the right direction in revealing we do not just live in a
sterile, 5-sense pointless reality - but we are part of an infinite
multi-dimensional universe that is teeming with infinite lifeforms
and infinite states of consciousness.




Sorry to Seanx admin. This dude sounded like you.

??????


It's all an illusion.

Who said this world was an illusion???

[stewart edwards]

As someone who was once extremely phobic, and remain somewhat cautious of snakes, I can tell you that:-

1. Snakes are intensely beautiful magnificent creatures. They can be just as bored, lonely and fed up as you or me. Can I prove this? No. But it is my personal understanding.

2. If you ever get the opportunity to bond with a snake (perhaps in the way a loving pet owner would or even accidentally) you may get an insight into "balance" on this planet, which is I would guess one reason why the cobra is used as a pharonic emblem.

3. I accept that religion has branded snakes as being bad creatures, but they really are not that dissimilar from you or me, or the bloke next door with the wonky eye. I personally have grown enormously since I bonded at an emotional level with a lonely sad and fed up snake. Last one that I got close to struck out at me though:mad::eek:

[elo_zorn]

Get your head out of the sand, and actually go out and research the subject further by buying one of Ickes books instead of relying on simple hearsay and speculation that you read from one of Icke's detractors.

Get my head out of the sand? You're the one who reads about all these culture's deities/mysticism/religions second hand in Icke books that only reference them as weight for his reptilian theory and then pass that off as being well read. What a fucking laugh. Get over yourself...by original sources I mean a book specifically about the Maya, or Sumerians, Hopi etc not just fringe books with out of context references. Your vast knowledge really shows when you're confronted by adverse information to your tiny perspective on these subjects...you just turn around and try to write me off by calling me a Luciferian and Crowleyite! What an incredibly solid argument you present! Then we have your rehashing of that list of deities and beings that you misrepresented, where you further your ignorant perspective by saying things like:

Flying machines=UFO's with 'celestial beings' RE: aliens, Possibly Reptilian given how prevalent the "nagas" and the "sarpa" were in the same Veda books.

That's an amazing process of elimination you've displayed there hahaha...have you actually read any vedantic texts? I've got the english translation of the Bhagavad Gita sitting on my book shelf and I'm willing to bet your knowledge doesn't surpass cherry picked out of context excerpts online supporting your blind faith in shaky fringe theories. And then we have this:

(Oannes) Possibly an amphibious alien entity from Sirius. Similar to the so called 'nomo' of the Dogon tribe. But if reptilians have the ability to shape-shift, perhaps this being was just another one of theyre 'manifestations'.


Here you use another culture's stories of fish like amphibious beings in order to back up your other misrepresentation, and then top it off by saying "But if reptilians have the ability to shape-shift, perhaps this being was just another one of theyre 'manifestations'." Great argument there hahaha...with that logic, anything could be a reptilian! How do you know your mailbox isnt another one of their "manifestations"? Since you mention the Dogan, have you actually read "The Sirius Mystery" by Robert Temple? Obviously not since it has ZERO mention of shapeshifting reptilians...another book in my collection that I bet you only know from little snippets online.

I love how you always think that if a person disagrees with Icke that they couldn't possibly own any of his books. I've read quite a few of his books cover to cover buddy, from multiple periods of his now lengthly career (to name a few-Tales From the Time Loop, Children of the Matrix, Biggest Secret, Infinite Love). I know his work quite well thank you very much...I just don't agree with it all, and I can back up why with a substantial argument rather than insults and more stretching and misunderstanding of sources that obviously have never checked out for yourself other than your hack-job internet prowling streamlined by your tiny reality tunnel.

[metacomet]

What people find laughable is you guys -not having a read A SINGLE
word of his books where he explains and details these ideas -then proceeding
to mock and sneer at these ideas.

I don't want to get tangled up in this, but I totally agree...

I've said time and again that it's clear who on this forum have read Icke's books and those who haven't.

It's not like you sign a user agreement to have read his books to join the forum, but if you're going to stick your nose into threads about Ickes books, it really makes you look like a douche if you haven't actually read one.

[elo_zorn]

As someone who was once extremely phobic, and remain somewhat cautious of snakes, I can tell you that:-

1. Snakes are intensely beautiful magnificent creatures. They can be just as bored, lonely and fed up as you or me. Can I prove this? No. But it is my personal understanding.

2. If you ever get the opportunity to bond with a snake (perhaps in the way a loving pet owner would or even accidentally) you may get an insight into "balance" on this planet, which is I would guess one reason why the cobra is used as a pharonic emblem.

3. I accept that religion has branded snakes as being bad creatures, but they really are not that dissimilar from you or me, or the bloke next door with the wonky eye. I personally have grown enormously since I bonded at an emotional level with a lonely sad and fed up snake. Last one that I got close to struck out at me though:mad::eek:

Great post! Snakes truly are magnificent and beautiful! Although without emotions I doubt they ever get bored but certainly can be stressed out. I can attest to the notion that bonding with or simply spending time with a snake can be a very eye opening and amazing experience. To level out with something so different than yourself can make for a quite liberating, transcendant experience when meditated upon. I've kept and bred snakes for almost 15 years now, and they never cease to amaze. I've had a strong affiliation and love for these creatures since I was a wee lad.

The Cobra as a Pharonic emblem I think may come from a more spiritual basis; ie kundalini. Quite often the snake head popping out the Pharoh's head dress (at the forhead/third eye!) is coupled with the head of a bird, representing the union of opposites...physical/spiritual, earth/the heavens, masculine/feminine etc.

Snakes have definitely got a bad rap in most modern culture...due to the slanderous campaign against them that Pound so graciously quoted for us from the book "The God's of Eden".

[beldazar]

I don't want to get tangled up in this, but I totally agree...

I've said time and again that it's clear who on this forum have read Icke's books and those who haven't.

It's not like you sign a user agreement to have read his books to join the forum, but if you're going to stick your nose into threads about Ickes books, it really makes you look like a douche if you haven't actually read one.

Yes it can have that effect.......:)

[zero1]

If Icke is using this moon matrix as an analogy to describe a disconnected and reptilian state of consciousness that is trying
to displace and replace human consciousness -then I look forward
to having a good row with you when it comes out!!

Fair enough.

[elo_zorn]

Originally Posted by seanx
If Icke is using this moon matrix as an analogy to describe a disconnected and reptilian state of consciousness that is trying
to displace and replace human consciousness -then I look forward
to having a good row with you when it comes out!!

I wish Icke had this approach but the fact is he doesn't. He tries to explain scientifically how these alleged multidimensional beings function, as well as going into to physical hybrid theories. If it were a simple analogy, he wouldn't be going into such detail trying to convince people of their physical/multidimensional existence as a race of beings rather than an archetypal aspect of conciousness.

I'd also like to add further opinion on the idea of a reptilian conciousness taking over by saying that I don't feel that it's a matter of replacing/displacing our "human" conciousness. I feel it is a state of unbalanced conciousness, leaning towards a left brained/patriarchal state of mind rather than matriarchal/right brained or a harmonized balance of both.

[seanx]

elo_zorn wrote:

wish Icke had this approach but the fact is he doesn't. He tries to explain scientifically how these alleged multidimensional beings function, as well as going into to physical hybrid theories. If it were a simple analogy, he wouldn't be going into such detail trying to convince people of their physical/multidimensional existence as a race of beings rather than an archetypal aspect of conciousness.

Well, since his book isn't out yet, all this is speculation.

But let's take the moon or anything in fact. At present we only
perceive 1% of known reality.

So with our present limited physical senses, we are ignorant of the other
99% of reality.

So it's probable that the moon is a multi-dimensional 'entity'
existing on many different frequency levels housing God knows
what type of beings with God knows what levels of
consciousness.

So it's not impossible that these beings have an interest in what
is happening here - and want to 'interfere' with our consciousness
to make it resonant with theirs.

But at the end of the day, 'form' is unimportant.

it is constantly evolving.

Even here on earth consciousness expresses it through infinite
forms, plants, trees, animals, humans etc.

In an infinite dimensional universe - Consciousness probably takes
every 'form' imaginable. Even reptilian in that moment of time.

But all 'form' is temporary, evolving so we shouldn't make too big
a deal of it.

Again all speculation until we see what icke has come up with.



I'd also like to add further opinion on the idea of a reptilian conciousness taking over by saying that I don't feel that it's a matter of replacing/displacing our "human" conciousness. I feel it is a state of unbalanced conciousness, leaning towards a left brained/patriarchal state of mind rather than matriarchal/right brained or a harmonized balance of both.

That is very well put.

I agree that seems to be their overall goal.

[flyermay]

At present we only
perceive 1% of known reality.

So with our present limited physical senses, we are ignorant of the other
99% of reality.

I never heard this before. Could you explain futher about how we just perceive 1% of reality?

[elo_zorn]

elo_zorn wrote:

.

Well, since his book isn't out yet, all this is speculation.

I was talking about him in general, not about this new book specifically.

But let's take the moon or anything in fact. At present we only
perceive 1% of known reality.

So with our present limited physical senses, we are ignorant of the other
99% of reality.

So it's probable that the moon is a multi-dimensional 'entity'
existing on many different frequency levels housing God knows
what type of beings with God knows what levels of
consciousness.

So it's not impossible that these beings have an interest in what
is happening here - and want to 'interfere' with our consciousness
to make it resonant with theirs.

But at the end of the day, 'form' is unimportant.

it is constantly evolving.

Even here on earth consciousness expresses it through infinite
forms, plants, trees, animals, humans etc.

In an infinite dimensional universe - Consciousness probably takes
every 'form' imaginable. Even reptilian in that moment of time.

But all 'form' is temporary, evolving so we shouldn't make too big
a deal of it.

Again all speculation until we see what icke has come up with.

I like your approach to this again, but the book review certainly doesn't seem to leave much room for the type of theory you speculate Icke could be writing about in this book. Here's an excerpt:

"His most staggering revelation is that the earth and the collective human mind is manipulated from the moon, which, he says, is not a heavenly body, but an artificial construct-a gigantic spacecraft (probably a hollowed out planetoid)- that is home to the the extraterrestrial group that has been manipulating humanity for aeons."

This certainly doesn't leave much for the imagination...here he quite plainly demotes the moon as a heavenly body down to a mere artificial contruct, home to our extraterrestrial overlords. So unless the review presented here in his own advertisement is completely false, I doubt you'll find your speculative theory within it's pages. No hard feelings here...again, I find your perspective much more palatible than Icke's but the fact of the matter remains-Icke does not write in this style.

[elo_zorn]

I never heard this before. Could you explain futher about how we just perceive 1% of reality?

I believe the figure is actually around 4% due to dark energy and matter making up aprox. 96% of our universe/reality. That's where the reference came from I think.

[flyermay]

I believe the figure is actually around 4% due to dark energy and matter making up aprox. 96% of our universe/reality. That's where the reference came from I think.

Thanks. Though I always thought dark matter was supposedly far away in deep space and didn't interfere with our perception of reality; except for those measuring galaxy's gravitational forces.

[hadabusa]

Do you blindly follow every new theory Icke has? Are you that easily swayed?

The ironic thing is, Icke refers to people as Sheeple, yet the majority of individuals on his forums are the real Sheeple, attaching themselves to any new concept, without regard for evidence.

If Icke told you tomorrow the world was run by pink elephants wearing red baseball caps I bet you would believe him!

And where is Icke's evidence?

Let's examine his reptilian evidence.

He has taken the testimonies of nut jobs like Arizona Wilder, Credo Mutwa, Christine Fitzgerald as being credible WITHOUT EVEN BOTHERING TO CONDUCT A LIE DETECTOR TEST.

He then claims a bunch of symbols showing Lizards proves the Reptilian agenda.

What a bunch of BULLSH*T!

Icke claims Reptilians feed off human emotion in order to survive in the 3rd and 4th dimensions...

Ask yourself logically, if the Reptilians came to earth 10,000 years ago, imagine how advanced their technology must have been then...it was advanced enough to genetically manipulate humans AND travel the galaxy.

So fast forward 10,000 years to present day.... imagine how advanced their technology is NOW...

Don't you think they would have

a) Figured out immortality
b) Figured out how to create emotion (i.e. no need for humans anymore)
c) Created robots to do their slave work
d) Taken over the world and killed off humanity as they have NO NEED for them?

Icke's Reptilian agenda makes NO SENSE, nor does his latest ridiculous theory.

You really are one of the SHEEPLE.
you make too much sense,youll never be a good snakeoil salesman
:(

[brainfreeze]

By their works ye shall know them - provided you haven't been brainwashed into thinking freedom is slavery, pornography is spiritual etc

Mary magdeleen? Oh rightious one.

Oh how the scales. Have fallen from my eyes.

Can anyone say cult?

[jamesdean]

you make too much sense,youll never be a good snakeoil salesman
:(


Why because I speak the OBVIOUS truth?

[paulside]

Has anyone read the book 'Who Built The Moon' you need to ;)

[pound]

At the very least, do yourself a favor and read - The Biggest Secret - one of the most interesting and challenging soci-historical commentaries ever written, IMHO. The Biggest Secret is over 500 very comprehensive pages. How you gonna get that into a video? Impossible.

+1

[pound]

Brainfreeze wrote:



My friend -you're like the guy?? -woman?? who hasn't got the time,
the energy or the discipline to watch a long play/book or film - and
yet feels free to criticize them.

You are perfectly free to do that - but don't be surprised
if no-one takes you seriously -when you can't even be bothered
to read the books.




????????

Look carefully at my name. There are a lot of seans out there in the
world.




What a horrible, evil, underhand thing to do on the DI FORUM!

What is the world coming to!


Co-signeddddddd!!

[lightgiver]

Quote:
Originally Posted by seanx View Post
At present we only
perceive 1% of known reality.

So with our present limited physical senses, we are ignorant of the other
99% of reality.

I never heard this before. Could you explain futher about how we just perceive 1% of reality?

sounds to me like when you are indoors do you know what is going on outside,or vice versa.

have you ever heard of this,

Valid cognizer/mind, A cognizer that is non-deceptive with respect to its engaged object. There are two types: inferential valid cognizers and direct valid cognizers.

[pound]

I don't want to get tangled up in this, but I totally agree...

I've said time and again that it's clear who on this forum have read Icke's books and those who haven't.

It's not like you sign a user agreement to have read his books to join the forum, but if you're going to stick your nose into threads about Ickes books, it really makes you look like a douche if you haven't actually read one.

My feelings exactly! Some people on here (not saying any names) have no shame though..lol

[pound]

Has anyone read the book 'Who Built The Moon' you need to ;)

I put an order in for it the other day. Can't wait to tear into it.

:)

[brainfreeze]

Co-signeddddddd!!

I'll send you the bill when you're finished humping me round the forum dude

[pound]

I'll send you the bill when you're finished humping me round the forum dude

As the old saying goes. If you cant take the heat, get your ass out the kitchen.


*******Just a friendly word of advice:)

[brainfreeze]

As the old saying goes. If you cant take the heat, get your ass out the kitchen.


*******Just a friendly word of advice:)

Heat?

Earth calling spaceship moon do you read me? Lmfao

[edtk72]

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/moon.html
some interesting points about the hollow moon theory in the above link.
i remember david saying he was past caring about what people thought about him so perhaps writing about this moon theory is a way of bringing attention to his other work,while he himself doesn't believe in the moon theory,as the reptilian thing and this i don't believe in.

[brainfreeze]

At the very least, do yourself a favor and read - The Biggest Secret - one of the most interesting and challenging soci-historical commentaries ever written, IMHO. The Biggest Secret is over 500 very comprehensive pages. How you gonna get that into a video? Impossible.

I've not read any Icke books. I'm glad I haven't. I don't want to be infect with a madness which seems pretty common and is self evident on this forum. No one can deny that we have some very special posters here. Some even have their own threads dedicated to their delusions and no Ickettes will rock the boat with them. Instead you pander to their sychosis because Icke is right and the nutters are making random connections to the very people david demonises. I don't understand that mentality but there are a lot of you who do it so it must be an Icke thing.

My mental health is very important to me.

Besides the obviously unstable peeps we can identify, how many suicidal conspiracy peeps have we seen on this forum?

Why?

I read this guy (http://old.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id330/pg1/index.html) this morning, I'll take his advice and read Icke in the way he recommends.

"Here's a revolutionary test designed to reshape your reality tunnel: get a private journal, and then read a David Icke book. Note your reactive feelings and thoughts. Then read Michael Shermer's 'Why People Believe Weird Things' (WH Freemason & Co, 1998) and Carl Sagan's 'Demon Haunted World (Ballantine Books, 1997). Note your reactive feelings and thoughts. The read an Icke book again. Note any perceptual changes and review your notes. Has your world subsequently become an awe-inspiring, more beautiful place?"

For some reason I can't get the link to show but it is there when you hit the quote button.

Maybe some of you should do this too.

I'll start with the book you recommended Drakul. Second hand of course.

[camreeno]

You don't have to read his book to see the conspicuous problems with the nature of the moon and it's unusual relationship with the earth that contrasts other planets and their moons... The moon is fixed, which is very unusual with planets as all planets we know of have their moons revolving themselves... Our moon is huge in ratio to earth, compared to other planets with their revolving pebbles. There is no solid theory to date that explains where the moon came from (from mainstream science anyway), and we're resting on a tentative theory that a huge mass just smashed into the earth, and a huge chunk of lava split off from earth and created it. Though this is flawed because the materials are inconsistent.

There are loads of unanswered questions about the moon and I think that opens the doors to speculation. Anyone who ridicules anyone else for their theories of the moon are being hypocritical in that mainstream science can't even come up with anything solid...

[enthousiamos]

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/moon.html
some interesting points about the hollow moon theory in the above link.
i remember david saying he was past caring about what people thought about him so perhaps writing about this moon theory is a way of bringing attention to his other work,while he himself doesn't believe in the moon theory,as the reptilian thing and this i don't believe in.

I hope you're right. And I certainly hope that there's more substance to this new book than just another detailed explanation how the evil forces control our lives. David made it clear after he wrote his last book, (The guide to the Global Conspiracy') that it was the last of its kind and he would be moving away from writing about the conspiracy and focusing more on how the human race can free itself from the chains of slavery that have been placed upon it.

I certainly don't need another 'conspiracy theory' for me to make sense of the world and I guess most people that have read his other works won't either (they are all there in the other books if ever you need them). So, if this is the biggest revelation in the new book, I'm very disappointed. But I guess we should all just wait and see.

[drakul]

I've not read any Icke books. I'm glad I haven't. I don't want to be infect with a madness which seems pretty common and is self evident on this forum. No one can deny that we have some very special posters here. Some even have their own threads dedicated to their delusions and no Ickettes will rock the boat with them. Instead you pander to their sychosis because Icke is right and the nutters are making random connections to the very people david demonises. I don't understand that mentality but there are a lot of you who do it so it must be an Icke thing.

My mental health is very important to me.

You don't read many threads if you think we all agree that everything Icke says is true. Far from it. This forum is primarily to discuss Icke's ideas. You can't discuss unless you have some kind of opposing views. For example there is quite a group of Christians on this site who believe in Jesus the Christ - and I am one of them. Yet Icke claims Jesus never existed. At any one time there are several on-going threads PASSIONATELY discussing Christianity and religion in general.

Besides the obviously unstable peeps we can identify, how many suicidal conspiracy peeps have we seen on this forum?

Why?

I haven't run into any `suicidal conspiracy peeps' - YET. What do you mean by that exactly?

I read this guy (http://old.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id330/pg1/index.html) this morning, I'll take his advice and read Icke in the way he recommends.

"Here's a revolutionary test designed to reshape your reality tunnel: get a private journal, and then read a David Icke book. Note your reactive feelings and thoughts. Then read Michael Shermer's 'Why People Believe Weird Things' (WH Freemason & Co, 1998) and Carl Sagan's 'Demon Haunted World (Ballantine Books, 1997). Note your reactive feelings and thoughts. The read an Icke book again. Note any perceptual changes and review your notes. Has your world subsequently become an awe-inspiring, more beautiful place?"

For some reason I can't get the link to show but it is there when you hit the quote button.

Maybe some of you should do this too.


Alot of people here have read ALOT of books. What makes you think they haven't?

I'll start with the book you recommended Drakul. Second hand of course.

Good. For me, the most stunning thing about Icke's book - The Biggest Secret - was FOR THE FIRST TIME here was a historian who pulls together a logical foundation for a THEORY to explain the profound EVIL that exists here on this beautiful Earth.

[drakul]

You don't have to read his book to see the conspicuous problems with the nature of the moon and it's unusual relationship with the earth that contrasts other planets and their moons... The moon is fixed, which is very unusual with planets as all planets we know of have their moons revolving themselves... Our moon is huge in ratio to earth, compared to other planets with their revolving pebbles. There is no solid theory to date that explains where the moon came from (from mainstream science anyway), and we're resting on a tentative theory that a huge mass just smashed into the earth, and a huge chunk of lava split off from earth and created it. Though this is flawed because the materials are inconsistent.

There are loads of unanswered questions about the moon and I think that opens the doors to speculation. Anyone who ridicules anyone else for their theories of the moon are being hypocritical in that mainstream science can't even come up with anything solid...

Thanks very much for summing up some of the mysteries about the (`far side') of the moon, and other moon anomalies. I was researching this on google - why we only see one side of the moon. According to one site, the moon rotates very slowly and `that's why we only ever see one side'. I don't understand, if the moon is rotating at all shouldn't we evenutually see all of it?

Did the Apollo Mission photograph the dark side of the moon?

[enthousiamos]

The only reason Icke has switched roles (from conspiracy theorist to focusing on emancipating the human race) is to simply EXTORT MORE MONEY from gulliable fools!

His reptilian agenda officially made him go from credible to insane, and his moon matrix is just another way for him to line his pockets.

Icke is either one of two things:

1) INSANE
2) A genius who makes up BS theories to extort money from gulliable idiots time and time again

Remember this is the same David Icke who predicted the end of the world in 1997, only to then conveniently 'retract' the statement post 97.

He's also the same David Icke that toured the country tirelessly in the 90's, talking to a handful of people at a time and barely scratching a living, for years. What's more the message was essentially the same then, it's just the details have expanded. He also recently went about 2 years or more making no money at all from his books, whilst he fought some legal battle with a deranged madman, that wanted to claim all the profits for himself.

Yeah, but I suppose the Icke-baiters, like you, aren't interested in facts like that, are they?

I don't really know why people like you come on here. It's self-defeating and negative in the extreme. But good luck, your negativity will only come back to haunt you.

[goanna]

yes the hollow man in the moon is crap.

is he out to 'discredit' himself to EVEYONE on the planet? why would he do that to himself? or is he being pushed to?

[drakul]

yes the hollow man in the moon is crap.

is he out to 'discredit' himself to EVEYONE on the planet? why would he do that to himself? or is he being pushed to?


If you read Icke's books, he talks alot about the HOLLOW EARTH theory (inhabited by reppies/aliens/unameits. So the idea of a hollow moon should not be unexpected. It's nothing really new and has been out there for awhile. I don't see why we should reject any of these ideas out of hand without serious consideration. Remember the days when the EARTH WAS FLAT AND THE SUN ROTATED AROUND THE EARTH? Oh, you forgot? Wasn't that long ago. At least now we've gotten this far...most people except that the earth is a sphere rotating around the sun.

[flyermay]

I've not read any Icke books. I'm glad I haven't. I don't want to be infect with a madness which seems pretty common and is self evident on this forum. No one can deny that we have some very special posters here. Some even have their own threads dedicated to their delusions and no Ickettes will rock the boat with them. Instead you pander to their sychosis because Icke is right and the nutters are making random connections to the very people david demonises. I don't understand that mentality but there are a lot of you who do it so it must be an Icke thing.

My mental health is very important to me.

I really don't understand what is it that you see about people on this forum that makes them look to you so different from the rest of the world.

So, according to you, people of this forum are mad and mentally ill because they believe that the evidences provided in a book are enough to convince them of something you think is not possible. Is that it?

But, did you consider for a moment the fact that billions of people outside this forum do actually believe that a bearded old man looks over them 24/7 just because another book says so; and actually provides absolutely no evidences of it?

Could you explain to me what is so extraordinary about what people believe on the DI forum?