8 Million Dog Owners Tracked By Their Pet’s MChip

[real6]

8 Million Dog Owners To Be Tracked By Their Pet’s Compulsory Microchip

Dog owners react to the crackdown plans Link to this video

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2010/mar/09/dangerous-dogs-crackdown-microchips



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/09/dangerous-dogs-microchips-insurance

Plan to extend dangerous dogs law to cover attacks on private property and to require third-party insurance

All dogs are to be compulsorily microchipped so that their owners can be more easily traced under a crackdown on dangerous dogs to be unveiled today.

The package will include extending the dangerous dogs law to cover attacks by dogs on private property to protect postmen, and making third-party insurance compulsory so that victims can be financially compensated.

The measures will be set out by the home secretary, Alan Johnson, who will point to rising public concern that "status dogs" are being used by some irresponsible owners to intimidate communities or as a weapon by gangs.

The RSPCA says the number of complaints about dog fights has risen 12-fold between 2004 and 2008. In London alone, police seized 900 dangerous dogs in the last year.

Johnson is expected to give details of the package in a speech on crime and antisocial behaviour.

"Britain is a nation of animal lovers, but people have a fundamental right to feel safe on the streets and in their homes," he said.

"The vast majority of dog owners are responsible, but there is no doubt that some people breed and keep dogs for the sole purpose of intimidating others, in a sense using dogs as a weapon."

He said ministers were determined to stamp this out. The crackdown has been endorsed by the environment secretary, Hilary Benn.

The package is expected to also include proposals to give police and councils more powers to tackle the problems of dangerous dogs by introducing dog control notices; consider removing exemption rules that allow some people to keep banned types of dogs; and introduce compulsory third-party insurance so victims of dog attacks are financially compensated.
Jon Dennis discusses the plan with dog owners on Wandsworth Common, south London Link to this audio

Under the scheme a microchip the size of a grain of rice is injected under the skin of the dog between its shoulder blades. The chip contains a unique code number, the dog's name, age, breed and health as well as the owner's name, address and phone number. When the chip is "read" by a handheld scanner the code number is revealed and the details can be checked on a national database.

Many dog owners already microchip their dogs with the details logged on the national PetLog database. Vets, dog wardens and RSPCA branches offer the service at a cost of £10 to £35.

The practice appeals especially to those who take their dogs abroad. If the scheme were made compulsory owners would face a fine for failing to microchip their dogs. It is not known how the scheme will be phased in but it is assumed a "puppies first" approach will be adopted.

Four types of dog are banned under the dangerous dogs legislation, including pit bull terriers and Japanese tosas.

The ban means it is illegal to breed or keep one of these breeds unless a court places the animal on the exempted dog index and it is neutered, tattooed, microchipped, muzzled and kept on a lead in public.

Much of the legal framework stems from the 1991 Dangerous Dogs Act, which used to be held up as an example of the poor quality of legislation passed by MPs in haste but has actually proved a resilient and useful law over the past 19 years.

The Home Office said yesterday: "While this legislation is an essential tool in tackling antisocial behaviour, the government wants to look at it again to ensure it is working as it should and enables the police, local authorities and the RSPCA to take swift action to protect the public and stop abuse."

A Home Office grant of £20,000 is to be spent this year helping police forces train dedicated dog legislation officers to deal with dangerous dogs.

A leaked Whitehall discussion document on dog control legislation suggested that competence tests for dog owners would also be included. This sparked a storm of protest on the blogosphere among dog lovers and does not appear to have been included in the final version.

Benn said: "There is a lot of public concern about dog attacks, including the recent tragic deaths of young children, and about the rise in the number of so-called 'status dogs' used to intimidate or threaten people. This is a serious issue of public safety.

"The government wants to hear what people think about the law as it stands and what more we might do to protect people from dangerous dogs."

Billy Hayes, general secretary of the CWU, which represents postal workers, said: "This is a long-overdue, but extremely welcome step.

"We've been calling for changes to the law for several years now following some terrible dog attacks on postal workers."

[willnotbesilenced]

They`re using DOGS and FARM ANIMALS to introduce MICROCHIPS
to the public - get them used to it ect.


Is it not maybe strange therefore that Revelation speaks of a time
when ALL will be forced to have `the mark OF THE BEAST`

In the Bible, ANIMALS are referred to as `BEASTS` !!!! :eek:

So in effect, YOU will get the same MARK as the BEASTS get
(mark of ect.)

[hagbard_celine]

They`re using DOGS and FARM ANIMALS to introduce MICROCHIPS
to the public - get them used to it ect.


Is it not maybe strange therefore that Revelation speaks of a time
when ALL will be forced to have `the mark OF THE BEAST`

In the Bible, ANIMALS are referred to as `BEASTS` !!!! :eek:

So in effect, YOU will get the same MARK as the BEASTS get
(mark of ect.)

I knew they'd make it compulsory one day, and with public approval I'm sure. "You'll never lose Rover again" and if you're a farmer "This will protect your animals from rustlers" etc etc etc.:rolleyes::p And all this time they'll be developing the infrastructure, techological advnaces and staff training etc.:(:eek: until the day they can say: "Right, it's humans now". And we'll have allowed them to do it with our support.

[fuzzylogic]

The chip contains a unique code number, the dog's name, age, breed and health as well as the owner's name, address and phone number. When the chip is "read" by a handheld scanner the code number is revealed and the details can be checked on a national database.
Why does stuff have to be so badly written? Shock value?

Pretty sure that all that's on the chip is a number.

[girlgye]

hehehehehehehehehehehehhehehehe.
awwww. I could smash the computer screen at the triviality of this story but as ever Real is REAL man.

See what the English are like REAL.

I've sent my email to all on my E list and all forums I am will get a copy next. For a template please go to the Robert Green Sticky at the top of the news section.

Just simple cut and paste you don't even have to do much!

Write them back and say

Notice of Clarifcation

On what Authority do you have to tell me how to keep my pet. I'm happy to oblige once you give me your proof of Authority.

Failing to do so will incur a penalty of £250 for this Notice and £250 for each Notice sent subsequent and all court costs to be payable in Gold Coinage.

Then enclose that. That should blow a rocket up their arses. :D :D

I shouldn't laugh at a time like this but hey.

If they think they are going to put us off the scent. FORGET IT

[stickwhistler]

There is no possibility of me registering my dogs!
There is no possibility of anyone inserting a chip in my dogs!

They can kiss my rear end!

My dogs are 'part of my family', even though 'the law'
says that dogs are possessions.

In that case, my knife and fork and teaspoons are property.
Do I need to register them, and have them chipped? No!
I do not need your permission Mr Powers-That-Be!
Screw the New World Order!
Does that mean I'm a dissident, and a candidate for detention
when they bring in an Act before Parliament similar to the
bill in the US Senate?

There will be no consent or compliance here. :mad:

[bobbydiva]

I did a lenthy write-up on this here - VeriChip are scum:
http://wideshut.co.uk/microchipping-mans-best-friend-are-humans-next/

[girlgye]

I did a lenthy write-up on this here - VeriChip are scum:
http://wideshut.co.uk/microchipping-mans-best-friend-are-humans-next/

I've just emailed you K. Synchronicity! Or what?

[beldazar]

There is no possibility of me registering my dogs!
There is no possibility of anyone inserting a chip in my dogs!

They can kiss my rear end!

My dogs are 'part of my family', even though 'the law'
says that dogs are possessions.


There will be no consent or compliance here. :mad:

Absolutely! I gasped out loud when I read the front of the Daily Express today, NO WAY are they putting a chip in my dog, they can FUCK RIGHT OFF! :mad:

How are we going to deal with this? Too many people think chipping a dog is a good idea!
My mutley is 9 years old now, never been ill, not vaccinated, not de-balled and this makes me feel incredibly sick!
How will they implement it? Is this just a warning or what?

I don't know whether to follow girlgye's ideas or keep it quiet that I have a dog Will there be plastic coppers or wardens checking this?
How will they be able to check up on whether you have or not?
The insurance is bad enough but the chip.....:mad:

[whiterain]

perhaps it will actually take something seemingly trivial like this to make people realise the truely ridiculous level of control they are trying to get. the uk is very much a pet loving country, and something like this could really be helpful to let as many people as possible know what they are up too. theres got to be 15/20 million dog owners in britain surely

[beldazar]

perhaps it will actually take something seemingly trivial like this to make people realise the truely ridiculous level of control they are trying to get. the uk is very much a pet loving country, and something like this could really be helpful to let as many people as possible know what they are up too. theres got to be 15/20 million dog owners in britain surely

whiterain I absolutely love your positivity but I feel it will be quite the opposite.
Too many people are now afraid of dogs due to the scare stories in the media and will think it a good idea.
The money issue over the insurance may have a factor though.

[girlgye]

yeah they set us up like patsies for that legislation didn't they.
Think more positive about the beast Belzedar!

Get the hollie grieg story out.

Actually most people don't get off on suing police/nhs and all the others for insurance as they know they still pay in the end.

I can confidently say that the mood in Britain is 'we've had enough'.

This is the last gasp rantings of a dying beast. Think of the nuttiness when a company goes down the pan. They make all sorts of insane demands of their workers.

This is because they are becoming insane.

We are all just laughing at the press stories this morning. A complete Joke.

Also write to all the major newspaper forums about this. And Hollie Grieg.

They'll take it down but it will be up enough for someone to see it.

[bobbydiva]

I've just emailed you K. Synchronicity! Or what?

Tell me about it.

[beldazar]

yeah they set us up like patsies for that legislation didn't they.
Think more positive about the beast Belzedar!

Get the hollie grieg story out.

Actually most people don't get off on suing police/nhs and all the others for insurance as they know they still pay in the end.

I can confidently say that the mood in Britain is 'we've had enough'.

This is the last gasp rantings of a dying beast. Think of the nuttiness when a company goes down the pan. They make all sorts of insane demands of their workers.

This is because they are becoming insane.

We are all just laughing at the press stories this morning. A complete Joke.

Also write to all the major newspaper forums about this. And Hollie Grieg.

They'll take it down but it will be up enough for someone to see it.

I love you hun, your'e a girl in a million!

I'm doing my bit here :)

[willnotbesilenced]

I would reckon on nineteen and half million of them not waking up :eek:

This dog thing is pathetic - its all part of the bigger agenda.
Dogs today... migrants tomorrow... and then the rest of us.
It mightnt be so scary if ppl would wake up, its the fact that they dont
and just might go a long with it that worries me.

This is not going to stop unscrupulous breeders and dog fighters etc.
Not anymore than all those silly cameras are going to protect us from
that dead guy Osama :eek:

I would remind everyone though that this was foretold.
Might not be what you want to hear - but here it is :


Revelation 13
16 And he causeth all, both small and great , rich and poor , free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand , or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell , save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.




Obviously we CANT say thats the microchipping of dogs, BUT IT WILL BE WHEN IT COMES TO BE THE TURN OF THE HUMANS.
We`ll be offered the SAME `mark` as the BEASTS (dogs and cattle)


Revelation 16:2 KJV
And the first went , and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.


MICROCHIP-CANCER REPORT

"Microchip-Induced Tumors in Laboratory Rodents and Dogs: A Review of the Literature 1990–2006"
by Katherine Albrecht, Ed.D.

Implanted radio-frequency (RFID) microchips cause fast-growing, malignant tumors in animals. Our study examines the research.

http://www.antichips.com/

So, if the microchips goes in human : could CANCER be called `a noisome
and grievous sore` ???? (allowing for ancient language, how its worded etc)

[dreamweaver]

The range of the RFID chip used in pets is very limited, we're talking centimetres, so they're not very useful for tracking anyone. Calm down, people!

What is more worrying is that it sets a precedent, as hagbard says, and they're softening people up for the day when compulsory, trackable chips are put in humans.

[pound]

Well English Newspapers were talking about this (chips in dogs) way back in 1998...and of course Prince William was implanted with a 'chip' way back in 1995 when he was only 12.
Like Icke says 'drip, drip, drip...the Totalitarian tip-toe/stepping stones approach.

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/microchip_implants_mind_control.htm

[beldazar]

The range of the RFID chip used in pets is very limited, we're talking centimetres, so they're not very useful for tracking anyone. Calm down, people!

What is more worrying is that it sets a precedent, as hagbard says, and they're softening people up for the day when compulsory, trackable chips are put in humans.

I'm not worried about ME ffs! I DON'T WANT MY DOG CHIPPED, FULL STOP!

I'm not angry at you by the way :o

[dreamweaver]

I'm not worried about ME ffs! I DON'T WANT MY DOG CHIPPED, FULL STOP!

I'm not angry at you by the way :o

IF IT SHITS ON MY LAWN, IT'LL HAVE MORE TO WORRY ABOUT THAN A MICROCHIP, END OF!

I'm not angry at you either. ;)

[beldazar]

IF IT SHITS ON MY LAWN, IT'LL HAVE MORE TO WORRY ABOUT THAN A MICROCHIP, END OF!

I'm not angry at you either. ;)

:rolleyes:

[eternal1stparty]

I bought my Australian Blue Heeler, Mickey, from a farm in rural Kentucky. No Mchip. I'll never get him one.

[velma]

:mad: Vets will probably make you PAY for these compulsory chips too.... I only have cats, but I won't be chipping them either... far less, myself or my kids! :mad:

[stopthemadness]

I disagree. If you've ever had a relative or friend attacked by an unleashed dog you would think differently. My mother was walking her dog on a leash many years ago. An unleashed dog attacked her because of the little dog on the leash. She ended up falling on the concrete & going to the hospital with head trauma.

Irresponsible pet owners are to blame, not NWO boogey men.

Chipping dogs & chipping people are two different things. I understand people raising eyebrows at chips. I'm 100% a conspiracy theorist. Mission creep is very real. But I've also been personally attacked by unleashed dogs on several occasions. I gave up jogging because of it.

Stupid F$#king people just can't obey something as simple as a leash law. That's why this kind of stuff happens.

[bobbydiva]

I disagree. If you've ever had a relative or friend attacked by an unleashed dog you would think differently. My mother was walking her dog on a leash many years ago. An unleashed dog attacked her because of the little dog on the leash. She ended up falling on the concrete & going to the hospital with head trauma.

Irresponsible pet owners are to blame, not NWO boogey men.

Chipping dogs & chipping people are two different things. I understand people raising eyebrows at chips. I'm 100% a conspiracy theorist. Mission creep is very real. But I've also been personally attacked by unleashed dogs on several occasions. I gave up jogging because of it.

Stupid F$#king people just can't obey something as simple as a leash law. That's why this kind of stuff happens.

But how exactly does a chip solve this problem?

A dog gets chipped when the owner buys it or whatever. It attacks somebody. The dog is put down.

How did the chip help? What, the dog ran off and hid in Mexico?

Most of the violent dogs used in crime that they are targeting are illegal anyway. The owners aren't the kind to get them chipped.

The chip is irrelevant.

[willnotbesilenced]

Chipping dogs & chipping people are two different things. I understand people raising eyebrows at chips. .





.....but they`re NOT going to be.

They are using various agendas to get ppl accustomed to the idea of
microchips.....

1. Livestock - so we`ll all know where an infected animal comes from.

2. Dogs - dangerous dogs are real yes - but just a lame excuse.
No need to chip every dog is there ?

3. Missing kids - mums !! chip your kids please.



Can we say : problem - reaction - and (bloody) SOLUTION ?

[real6]

yeah they set us up like patsies for that legislation didn't they.
Think more positive about the beast Belzedar!

Get the hollie grieg story out.

Actually most people don't get off on suing police/nhs and all the others for insurance as they know they still pay in the end.

I can confidently say that the mood in Britain is 'we've had enough'.

This is the last gasp rantings of a dying beast. Think of the nuttiness when a company goes down the pan. They make all sorts of insane demands of their workers.

This is because they are becoming insane.

We are all just laughing at the press stories this morning. A complete Joke.

Also write to all the major newspaper forums about this. And Hollie Grieg.

They'll take it down but it will be up enough for someone to see it.

I swear i love your outlook girl. Will you marry me :P

[darkman]

a small tip toe to a mirco chipped population now ..its dosnt matter who will get them there will always be the dogs and there owners who dont care and wont look after there dog responsbly and this will hit us all who do , my dogs will never be injected chipped or castrated , they are trained and look after by me! not by this shambles thats in so called control

[darkman]

.....but they`re NOT going to be.

They are using various agendas to get ppl accustomed to the idea of
microchips.....

1. Livestock - so we`ll all know where an infected animal comes from.

2. Dogs - dangerous dogs are real yes - but just a lame excuse.
No need to chip every dog is there ?

3. Missing kids - mums !! chip your kids please.



Can we say : problem - reaction - and (bloody) SOLUTION ?

its already started with the i.d. of kids and teenagers now every where soon they will think its a good idea


history repeating itself
the new regime of socialist party

[clint web]

Here's how I think it will pan out:

1. Dogs.
2. criminals.
3. (I was going to say asylum seekers but our government would say that is not politically correct so they will get away with it)
4. Our Kids.
5. You and me.

Don't know how many years it will take to get through all of these but to pluck a number out of the air - 30 years.

By that time all the people who are kids now will be used to thumb scanning in schools etc and will have no concept of freedom.

In the future people won' be like us. They'll just accept.

[gordysmit]

It is very easy to chip a person the chips are that small how do you know you are not chipped now? food or any thing you eat can have a chip in it you would not know

[sithnemesis]

Britain could force owners to microchip their dogs
By RAPHAEL G. SATTER – 6 hours ago

LONDON — British dog owners may be forced to microchip their pets and take out insurance, part of a proposed crackdown on the country's dangerous canines.

Postmen are delighted, but civil libertarians grumble that Britain's sprawling surveillance state now wants to track the nation's estimated 8 million dogs. Others complain that the insurance plan would impose a financial penalty on innocent pet owners — while criminals who own violent animals will simply shirk the law.

"This is yet more surveillance and continuous data-grabbing by government who want to have as much information on us as it can possibly have," said Dylan Sharpe, a campaigner with privacy rights group Big Brother Watch. Opposition lawmaker Nick Herbert said the proposal risked "penalizing millions of law-abiding dog owners with the blunt instrument of a dog tax."

The government's proposals are aimed at tackling the growing problem of aggressive canines being used to harass, attack and even kill. In a country where guns are tightly controlled and even carrying a kitchen knife can result in a prison sentence, animal rights experts and politicians say street thugs have turned to dangerous-looking dogs to cow their victims.

The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals said the number of complaints about dog fights had soared tenfold between 2004 and 2008, the last year for which figures were available. In 2009, London Deputy Mayor Kit Malthouse called for action on what he called "weapon dogs."

His opposition Conservative Party says hospital admissions and court cases relating to dangerous dogs have soared.

High profile dog attacks — including one on John-Paul Massey, a 4-year-old who was mauled to death by a pit bull at his grandmother's house in the northern England — also have kept the issue high on the media's agenda.

Home Office Secretary Alan Johnson said there was "no doubt that some people breed and keep dogs for the sole purpose of intimidating others."

"It is this sort of behavior that we will not tolerate; it is this sort of behavior that we are determined to stop," he said. In television appearances defending the proposals, he said microchipping would help trace the owners of dogs involved in attacks, while third-party insurance would ensure that victims of dog attacks were properly compensated for any injuries.

Chipping costs between 10 pounds ($15) and 35 pounds ($52), but untangling the price of the insurance is complex.

Most pet insurers offer third-party liability insurance wrapped into larger plans which also cover vet fees, emergency care, and repatriation. Petplan, Britain's largest pet insurer, said that, for a Labrador in southeast England, such coverage could be purchased for 23 pounds ($34) a month. It said plans would likely be pricier in London.

Sanctions imposed on those who refused to comply weren't spelled out. But in a local version of the program already in place in south London, public housing tenants who refuse to chip their dogs are in violation of their rental agreement — something that could lead to them being evicted.

The central government's proposals were largely welcomed by animal welfare groups, including the RSPCA, which said it had long supported chipping — primarily as a means of reuniting lost pets with their owners.

She described the devices as "tiny microchips, about the size of a grain of rice, painlessly inserted into the back of the dog."

The chips are easily readable by scanners used by dog wardens and veterinarians.

Postal workers and telecom engineers also cheered the proposals, with the Communication Workers Union saying many of its members "are regularly bitten by dogs that have been either left unattended or are simply not under control."

Caroline Kisko, of Britain's Kennel Club, said previous legislation had proven ineffective at controlling the country's dangerous dogs — and expressed the hope that any new rules would put a greater emphasis on animal welfare.

Still it was unclear when — or even if — Johnson's plans could become law. The proposals must undergo a consultation period — typically 12 weeks — which means they're unlikely to reach Parliament before Britain's general election, which must be called by June 3.

A host of European countries — including Norway, Switzerland, Austria, Croatia, Italy and Portugal — have introduced mandatory microchipping rules in the past few years, with nary a raised eyebrow. France requires that some breeds either be chipped or tattooed. Even in countries where the practice isn't required, cities such as Berlin and Prague demand that dog owners chip their pets.

Mandatory dog insurance, regardless of the breed, is already in place in parts of Germany and Switzerland.

Associated Press Writers from across Europe contributed to this story.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hixO1tsR14b5XFY3cL3POqFP1fBQD9EB7D5O0 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hixO1tsR14b5XFY3cL3POqFP1fBQD9EB7D5O0)

[sithnemesis]

Dog bytes

Both the Guardian and the Express report on plans to microchip all dogs.

The Guardian has a go at a tabloid headline with: "Man Bytes Dog". The compulsory micro-chipping is part of a crackdown on nuisance pets. Home Secretary Alan Johnson is concerned that some irresponsible owners are using "status dogs" as a weapon to intimidate communities.

The Express is concerned about the hundreds of pounds that pet-owners will have to fork out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8557126.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8557126.stm)

[sithnemesis]

This has already started a few years ago... your reactions are too late I'm afraid. :(

30 June 2008

Dog Micro-chipping at Hylands Park

http://www.chelmsford.gov.uk/media/image/a/n/Dog_Warden_(r).jpg

Chelmsford Borough Council is urging dog owners to get their dogs micro-chipped. Micro-chipping is a very effective, safe and permanent form of identification that can help to reunite owners with their dogs should they become lost or stolen. The next date will take place on Thursday 10 July between 10am and 4pm in a mobile unit outside the Stables Visitor Centre.

The Council's Dog Wardens have started a series of micro-chipping days at Hylands Park. The charge for the service is £11 per dog.

The Dog Wardens will also issue free dog waste bags and provide general advice relating to dogs and the Council's duties in relation to animal welfare. There will also be a design a book mark competition for children.

Cabinet Member for Safer Communities, Councillor Ian Grundy, said: "This is a wonderful opportunity to have your pet chipped by trained staff, whilst enjoying our park. Responsible owners do make every effort to keep their pets safe, but sometimes the unexpected can happen. By having your dog micro-chipped, you stand a much higher chance of being quickly reunited with your pet. If you have an unchipped dog, get peace of mind and come along. It only takes a few minutes."

[gordysmit]

We all know some people with dogs dont mix but it like drivers they just wont tax or insure there car or dogs just to divide people on fear again and wind people up:mad: What next tax cycles what happens if you hit a person on your bike and kill then you got to look at the bigger picture here how far will you let them push "YOU"

[jakemaverick]

me and my dog were attached about 5-6 weeks ago by some giant brute of a thing...nearly ripped my dog's throat out, only reason he didn't was i managed to get my hand down his throat and force his mouth open----my hand still swolen to buggery, scars all over it, elbow knee and shoulder still painful...my dog seems to have recovered a lot better, £50 quid vet bill we can't afford, still got abald patch on his neck.....

the dog wasn't chipped and neither is mine, although i probably am! DOES NOT MAKE WE WANT TO INFLICT THIS MONSTROSITY ON ALL DOGS, CRIMINALS, FARM ANIMALS OR PEOPLE IN GENRAL!!! BAN THE FREAKING THING AND LOCK UP STATE SANCTIONED CHILD ABUSERS THAT HAVE BEEN KINGERPRINTING ALL THE KIDDIES THESE PAST 5-6 YEARS!!!

[gordysmit]

How many police dogs bite or that are chip I would love to know

[antinwo]

Well my dogs wont be having the insurance or the microchip TPTB can shove both up their asses:D

[mephibosheth]

By RAPHAEL G. SATTER – 6 hours ago
...The central government's proposals were largely welcomed by animal welfare groups, including the RSPCA, which said it had long supported chipping — primarily as a means of reuniting lost pets with their owners.

She described the devices as "tiny microchips, about the size of a grain of rice, painlessly inserted into the back of the dog."

The chips are easily readable by scanners used by dog wardens and veterinarians.



Folks have been saying for years that they will test chipping on pets in ever-increasing amounts until the masses are comfortable enough with it to take it to the human level. Its really amazing to see this actually happening. This should really wake people up. But will it?

'Its just a tiny microchip and its for your own GOOD!' So no problems eh?

The reality is that a 'nuisance' dog will attack another animal whether or not it has a chip in it. So how does this level of tracking help prevent such attacks? It doesn't, but they'd like you to think it has some benefit...

[beldazar]

How many police dogs bite or that are chip I would love to know

I have said this several times before and I would also love to know the answer as to whether the dogs that bite have a chip.
I understand it's mostly pedigrees and wouldn't people be more inclined to chip them due to the money lost if they were stolen?

[dawnismygoddess]

This is an attack on your private property..............next it will be your body.

Collectivism is a bitch, aint it?

[griffinman]

Does microchipping your dog make him/her more obedient?
Be great if you could interface it with your pc, maybe using usb..?

[d_anima]

This seems to be about getting the masses more used to and familiar with microchipping.

[dreamweaver]

This seems to be about getting the masses more used to and familiar with microchipping.

It does. There can be no doubt that the constant drip-drip of stories like this is to soften people up to the idea of human chipping.

[real6]

Does microchipping your dog make him/her more obedient?
Be great if you could interface it with your pc, maybe using usb..?

I can see it now. USB from ass to Computer insertion coming near you soon!!!

[hagbard_celine]

Here's how I think it will pan out:

1. Dogs.
2. criminals.
3. (I was going to say asylum seekers but our government would say that is not politically correct so they will get away with it)
4. Our Kids.
5. You and me.

Don't know how many years it will take to get through all of these but to pluck a number out of the air - 30 years.

By that time all the people who are kids now will be used to thumb scanning in schools etc and will have no concept of freedom.

In the future people won' be like us. They'll just accept.

That's exactly it.:)

They'll start with animals, then move onto categories of people the media brainwashes us to hate. We'll go: "It's not all of us, it's only them. Besides, they deserve it! Homeless people, asylum-seekers, criminals! Give it to them with my support!" People who think like that are forging their own shackles because while the govt is "giving it to them!" They'll be developing the infrastructure, training personnnel, advancing technology for the time when they will chip everyone. What will happen is that they will have chipped so many of these different categories that eventually so many people will be chipped they'll throw up their hands in mock-frustration and say: "Oh well! We might as well just do everybody else and be done with it!"

Pastor Neimoller could have written: "First they came for the dogs...":(:cool:

[free_thinker]

Does microchipping your dog make him/her more obedient?
Be great if you could interface it with your pc, maybe using usb..?

A combination of your laptop and your dog.

A Lapdog !!:D

I'll get me coat.

[beldazar]

A combination of your laptop and your dog.

A Lapdog !!:D

I'll get me coat.

hahahaha, nice one :D

[jakemaverick]

heard a rumour soemwhere that they have already started chipping asylum seekers ont he quiet, they dnt know- DNA test....lot more cost efefctive than the ankle bracelets and no way that tehy can be removed, apart from surgery...

[the apprentice]

Pretty sure that all that's on the chip is a number.

Hey fuzz

We got our pup done several years ago, they put the lot on there, address the works, if you pay with credit card even that will be on there, chip and pin, any clues to what I have just said, or would you simply trust them ?

[the apprentice]

That's exactly it.:)

They'll start with animals, then move onto categories of people the media brainwashes us to hate. We'll go: "It's not all of us, it's only them. Besides, they deserve it! Homeless people, asylum-seekers, criminals! Give it to them with my support!" People who think like that are forging their own shackles because while the govt is "giving it to them!" They'll be developing the infrastructure, training personnnel, advancing technology for the time when they will chip everyone. What will happen is that they will have chipped so many of these different categories that eventually so many people will be chipped they'll throw up their hands in mock-frustration and say: "Oh well! We might as well just do everybody else and be done with it!"

Pastor Neimoller could have written: "First they came for the dogs...":(:cool:

Hi Hagbard

As you say pets and valuble farm animals they have been done for about 10 years already, now its passports and credit cards for the last couple of years, driving licences are on the cards litterly the new licence is a card, library cards, store cards, pertol cards and many more all tracked right now.

All new cars have one sitting dormant in their ECU, new cars which have a built sat-nav are one, and portable sat-nav mobile or vehicle are one, your mobile phone is one, its already on our persons bar under your skin, favoured place for instertion in between finger and thumb,much harder to remove because of tendons etc, under sikin on arm much easier to remove no veins tendons, they have it all worked out many years ago.

Clothing manufacturers are already poised to do it, footware and digital/quartz watches which update to the atomic clock is going to be a favourite as you have to walk sometimes whilst out, certain repetetive criminals will soon be made to have one, and as you say its comming to an arm of ours soon and we are paying in advance for them, the R & R the lot and they are laughing all the way into our bank accounts and how when and where we spend our credits.

Here's a scenario for the masses, man with chip in the arm as he goes into a shop door scanner picks him up and clears him for spending, picks up goods, stands next to a self scan console like we already have in supermarkets, scans goods walks out of the shop, no money, no cards, no problem, same man stands in scanning area chip in arm doesn't work, man arrested for theft.

Another scenario, man with chip in skin gets into his car, his insurance has just run out or something has gone wrong within system, car won't start, same man is driving to work and accidently goes over speed limit for allotted time, next day fine comes through leter box, same man want to drive his freinds car, the tech and more is already here, it really is that simple folks, simply free until they want you not to be, horrific, what about no shops just chip and pin in your purchase and goods come the next day, food you ordered dosen't arrive, cannot get food and your dead.

Man found dead with arm missing, hey only kidding/napping worst case scenario, chip detects theft from shop chip puts man to sleep, spy found dead suicided without warning, 1984-2024, think its all bunkum, lets wait and see shall we, it is already possible, any other ideas folks.

Edit: large solar flare hits northern hemisphere, lights out folks instand society meltdown LOL

[jakemaverick]

trust the vets? you must be nuts...for a start the twats always charge you more than price quoted, even just when it's an extra 17.5% minimum....the old VAT excuse (i.e. fraud, theft, demanding money with menaces....) never seem to have a problem factoring in rest of costs in though (like rent, wages etc.)

very often 30 odd quid consultancy fee every time you step through the door....repeated overbilling for the same problem.....

pills and drugs are always charged more than the quote...and it is standard practice to underdose so u have to keep going back.....

you have absolutely no way of telling what info is on the chip.....they'll cram in as much as they can, credit card details the least you need to worry abt.......

my dog was murdered a few yrs back. believe he was poisoned by the neighbours. rushed to the vets. there is the suspicion that the vets botched the operation or just didn't bother with it and let him die...charged us anyway.....really suspicious thing was that we needed tests done to prove the poisoning....but we cudn't because bastard vets shipped him off allegedly to me cremated without our knowledge or consent- destroyed all evidence----got a box off ashes bavk, exhorbant fees for the 'prvilege' know way of knowing our dog was even in there------------well over a grand for this 'privelege' and for all we know our boy might conceivably still be alive....

i alos wanted samples taken so we could clone him a a later date....not a damn fucking thing we can do abt it! very least i wud have done was refused payment....but not that technically 'owned him'....

also found out today that the dog what attacked me and my current dog few weeks back was chipped after all---in the shoulder rather than the neck.......some bloody woman decided to go on holiday to thailand and just dumped him.....cnt have her contact details though, so we stuck with fifty quid vets bill for that one.....???!?!?!???!??????!!!!!!WTF????!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?

on the plus side maybe that 'evil' dog wil get cancer form it....not that he is really 'evil' poor thing was probably starving, fucking owner needs locking up! as wellas all the other fucker sthat murdered B, tried to kill me, gang raped me, tortured me, drop bombs on children, state sanctioned pedo and teh fucking rest of it!!! IT'S A BLLODY WAR I TELL YE SO LETS START KILLING THE BAD GUYS! 90% sure i got cancer now, pain pretty bad, so thought crimes aplenty now.....................................and yeah, war on the freaking mods to!!!

[jakemaverick]

...now they just dropped it???:o

a different faction suddenly got a the upper hand? or most likely slight delay until tech becomes cheaper/ economy recovers then a conservative policy...........???

[the apprentice]

Bloody Vets, here's a story for you, one of our sheep dogs got his back leg caught in a wire fence when he was jumping over a wall, he gashed it faily deep so we took him to see vetinary, he did the stitching and gave him some anibiotics as per usual, next visit the dogs leg had gotten infected even though he was rested properly,

This went on for weeks and started costing a pretty packet, then Father read in the farmers weekly about a farmer who healed his prize tups leg with a honey poultice, so we gave it a go to see what happened, we never went back to see the vet and stopped the anti biotics which were slowly killing that dog and they bloody well knew it but just wanted the money, he went on to recover fully and lived a long happy life doing what he loved best.

After I left the army being trained as a paramedic and first aid instructor etc we did all of our animal stitching and minor treatments ourselves and saved an absolute packet, and never once had any problems, many skills come in handy.

[real6]

Bloody Vets, here's a story for you, one of our sheep dogs got his back leg caught in a wire fence when he was jumping over a wall, he gashed it faily deep so we took him to see vetinary, he did the stitching and gave him some anibiotics as per usual, next visit the dogs leg had gotten infected even though he was rested properly,

This went on for weeks and started costing a pretty packet, then Father read in the farmers weekly about a farmer who healed his prize tups leg with a honey poultice, so we gave it a go to see what happened, we never went back to see the vet and stopped the anti biotics which were slowly killing that dog and they bloody well knew it but just wanted the money, he went on to recover fully and lived a long happy life doing what he loved best.

After I left the army being trained as a paramedic and first aid instructor etc we did all of our animal stitching and minor treatments ourselves and saved an absolute packet, and never once had any problems, many skills come in handy.

Nice to hear. At least his leg healed :)

Vets are nothing but money grubbing.

http://www.honey-health.com/honey-20.shtml

Honey In Surgery

HONEY has a distinct bactericidal power which is mainly due to its hygroscopic property. All living organisms re-quire a certain amount of moisture to maintain their lives. When bacteria come in contact with honey they are deprived of the vital moisture and perish. The acid reaction of honey also renders it an unfavorable medium for the bacteria to grow in. Most micro-organisms which affect the human body are destroyed in honey.

Honey applied to ulcerated surfaces has a unique function. Soon after its application a profuse and intense centrifugal flow of lymph is noticeable and the entire torpid surface of the wound becomes soaked in fluid. This leucocytic lymph collection which honey produces has not only a bactericidal power but the rinsing function of the free-flowing liquid will greatly contribute to the cleansing of the wounds and will stimulate and promote granulation and healing. The ancient Greeks often refer to "epomphalia", a navel ointment made from honey for the newborn. Old mead, which is almost as extinct today as the dodo, was also used as an antiseptic lotion.

The external application of honey has an age-old history. The ancient Egyptians used it as a surgical dressing. The Papyrus Ebers recommended that wounds be covered for four days with linen dipped in honey and incense. They believed that cataracts yielded to treatments with honey. Honey dropped into the eyes was supposed to have cured inflammations and other ailments of the eyelids. To quote the amusing report of Vigerius: "I have cured a Horse stone blind with Honey and Salt and a little crock of a pot mixed. In less than three daies, it bath eaten off a tough filme, and the Horse never complained after." In the July, 1937 issue of the American Bee Journal (page 350) "A Subscriber" from New York State writes as follows: "I had a horse going blind with a white film over his eye which seemed to hurt. His eye was shut and watered. I dipped white honey into his eye with a feather for several nights. In a day or so the film was gone and the eye looked bright and good."

The Chinese and Hindus cover the entire bodies of their small-pox patients with honey to hasten the termination of the disease and also to prevent the formation of scars. Galen thought that "Hony warmes and cleares Wounds and Ulcers, attenuates and discusseth excrescencies in any part of the body." The Talmud recommended honey for ulcerated wounds, especially for extensive sores of animals. Ceromel, made with one part of wax and four parts of honey, is popular in the tropics for ulcers because it never becomes rancid.

During the Middle Ages honey was extensively used in the form of ointments and plasters for boils, wounds, burns and ulcers, plain or mixed with other ingredients. Charles Butler thought that honey "will knit together hollow and crooked ulcers and likewise close other disjoyned flesh." He highly praised the Unguentum Aegyptiacum which was made by boiling honey, vinegar and wintergreen. This plaster, according to Butler, would "open, clean, dry and digest all inflammations and resist putrefaction." Rectal suppositories contained honey and wax. Galen's honey and oil enema was popular for centuries.

Richard Remnant (The History of Bees, London, 1637) had implicit faith in "admirable baths made of honey which are excel-lent for Aches and strong Itches." A friend of his had "a foul itch that he was like a Leper." He cured him in the following manner: He used an empty Wine cask, called a Pipe, and "took out one head" and made a liquor of water and honey, making it pretty strong with honey and "heated it as hot as he could endure to stand in it," and poured it into the Pipe and "caused him to stand in it up to his neck a pretty while." This he did "three days, one after another, and he recovered as clear as ever." He had a like experience with "divers Aches." "If it be renewed every day with a little honey, it will be better."

The rural populations of the European continent, especially that of the Slavic countries, used honey for all kinds of wounds and inflammations. "Honey ointment", consisting of equal portions of honey and white flour, well mixed with a little water, had a wide usage. A good ointment should be more solidified than too liquid. Honey and burnt alum was another popular combination. In croupous diphtheria it was the accepted method of mothers to grip with their fingers a chunk of honey and vigorously rub, as far as they could reach, the throat and air passages of the patients. A honey poultice was also applied around the neck. Several drops of warm honey in the ear was considered an excellent remedy for pain, inflammation and ringing of the ear. Galen remarked: "Hony infused warme by itself wonderfully helps exulcerated ears, especially if they cast forth ill flavours, as also their singings and inflammations." Marcellus Empyricus suggested: "Honey, Butter and Oyle of Roses, of each a like quantity, warme, helps the paine of the ears, dulness of the sight and the white spots in the eyes."

The writer learned through personal communication that honey is still used for trachoma in the form of eyedrops. A Canadian mother related to him that two of her daughters contracted sore eyes while attending school, where there was an epidemic at the time. They were cured in two or three days by dropping honey into their eyes. It took two and three weeks for the other children in the school to get rid of the same trouble. Cataracts of the eyes were reported to have been cured by the same method, drop-ping honey into the eyes three times daily.

Our good friend, the famous globe-trotter Dr. W. E. Aughinbaugh, described an operation he witnessed in Panama, during the construction of the canal. A native Indian surgeon of considerable repute performed a disarticulation of the hip joint. He smoked cigarettes incessantly during the operation, laid them down occasionally, picking them up again with his bloody fingers. After the stump was sutured, the surgeon took from a large pail several handfuls of honey, which he smeared over the wound, covering it subsequently with gauze. He assured Dr. Aughinbaugh that he had never had an infection when he applied a layer of honey over the wound. Dr. Aughinbaugh has seen the natives of the Amazon region "suture" extensive injuries by letting beetles unite the margins of wounds with their robust mandibles. After the heads of the insects were severed, the mandibles remained closed and the wounds were covered with honey mixed with liquid wax. The results were excellent.

It is singular that, though honey was used for thousands of years for treatment of wounds and skin troubles, our modern medical literature ignores the subject. Lately, it seems, honey is gradually regaining its age-old repute and lost popularity. Dr. Zaiss, of Heidelberg, considers honey in the treatment of wounds superior to all other ointments. He has treated several thousand cases of severe infections with honey and could not report a single failure. Dr. Zaiss prefers honey even to tincture of iodine. He dresses the wounds with strips of gauze dipped in honey, and finds the wounds perfectly clean in 24 hours. The sloughs, even deep ones, usually adhere to the dressing material. Dr. Zaiss states that the application causes, at first, a transient smarting but the pain is soon relieved and a cooling sensation supervenes. The healing is remarkably rapid. He suggests a daily change of dressing.

The Germans were always firm believers in the curative power of honey, both internally and externally, as a surgical dressing. It is interesting that honey is now combined in Germany with an-other old popular remedy; namely, cod-liver oil. Pliny highly praised cod-liver oil as a wound dressing (Hist. Nat. 31:27). The Eskimos, Laplanders and the natives of Greenland use cod-liver oil even these days for the dressing of wounds. German surgeons, Zaiss, Sack, Lucke, Buchheister, Löhr, Gundel, Blattner and others, published recently in the medical journals miraculotis results which they obtained through the use of a cod-liver oil ointment called Desitin-Honey salve. Infected wounds, ulcerations, burns, fistulas, boils, carbuncles, felons, etc., are reported to heal in the shortest time. The ointment is supposed to check inflammation, stimulate granulation and remove deep necrotic tissues. Subjectively the ointment is very well tolerated because it alleviates pain and eases tension. The change of dressings is not painful because in twenty-four hours the wound is soaked in a rich exudate of lymph which prevents adherence of the dressing material to the wound and is easily removed. The odor of the ointment is rather pleasant, without a corrigent. It is difficult to say whether the honey or the cod-liver oil is the more helpful ingredient but it seems that it is a fortunate combination. The surgeons advise that, though its function is not scientifically proven and therefore justified, these facts should not interfere with its use. In skin diseases, even in psoriasis, the results obtained were excellent. For frostbites on ears, fingers and toes there is nothing which will take out sooner the frost and swelling than when these parts are wrapped in honey. Verrucae (warts) were reported to have been removed by the overnight application of a honey poultice.

Recently Dr. Charles Brunnich, a surgeon of Switzerland, joined the ranks of those who advocate honey for surgical dressings, especially for contused and badly slashed septic wounds. He quotes the case of a man whose finger was smashed in a grinding machine. The bone of the terminal phalanx of the finger was broken and hung on a skin flap. After wrapping the extremity in honey the finger grew on and rapidly healed. Another man had, in succession, two large carbuncles on the back. While the first carbuncle was operated on by a surgeon and left a deep ugly scar, the second was treated only with honey. The cores rapidly eliminated and the wound left only an insignificant scar.

In the "Alpenlindische Bienenzeitung" (February, 1935) we find the following report from a man: "In the winter of 1933 I heated a boiler of about thirty-five gallons of water. When I opened the cover, it flew with great force against the ceiling. The vapor and hot water poured forth over my unprotected head, over my hands and feet. Some minutes afterward I had violent pains and I believe I would have gone mad if my wife and my daughter had not helped me immediately. They took large pieces of linen, daubed them thickly with honey and put them on my head, neck, hands and feet. Almost instantly the pain ceased. I slept well all night and did not lose a single hair on my head. When the physician came he shook his head and said: `How can such a thing be possible?

[the apprentice]

Nice to hear. At least his leg healed :)

Vets are nothing but money grubbing.

http://www.honey-health.com/honey-20.shtml

Honey In Surgery

HONEY has a distinct bactericidal power which is mainly due to its hygroscopic property. All living organisms re-quire a certain amount of moisture to maintain their lives. When bacteria come in contact with honey they are deprived of the vital moisture and perish. The acid reaction of honey also renders it an unfavorable medium for the bacteria to grow in. Most micro-organisms which affect the human body are destroyed in honey.

Honey applied to ulcerated surfaces has a unique function. Soon after its application a profuse and intense centrifugal flow of lymph is noticeable and the entire torpid surface of the wound becomes soaked in fluid. This leucocytic lymph collection which honey produces has not only a bactericidal power but the rinsing function of the free-flowing liquid will greatly contribute to the cleansing of the wounds and will stimulate and promote granulation and healing. The ancient Greeks often refer to "epomphalia", a navel ointment made from honey for the newborn. Old mead, which is almost as extinct today as the dodo, was also used as an antiseptic lotion.

The external application of honey has an age-old history. The ancient Egyptians used it as a surgical dressing. The Papyrus Ebers recommended that wounds be covered for four days with linen dipped in honey and incense. They believed that cataracts yielded to treatments with honey. Honey dropped into the eyes was supposed to have cured inflammations and other ailments of the eyelids. To quote the amusing report of Vigerius: "I have cured a Horse stone blind with Honey and Salt and a little crock of a pot mixed. In less than three daies, it bath eaten off a tough filme, and the Horse never complained after." In the July, 1937 issue of the American Bee Journal (page 350) "A Subscriber" from New York State writes as follows: "I had a horse going blind with a white film over his eye which seemed to hurt. His eye was shut and watered. I dipped white honey into his eye with a feather for several nights. In a day or so the film was gone and the eye looked bright and good."

The Chinese and Hindus cover the entire bodies of their small-pox patients with honey to hasten the termination of the disease and also to prevent the formation of scars. Galen thought that "Hony warmes and cleares Wounds and Ulcers, attenuates and discusseth excrescencies in any part of the body." The Talmud recommended honey for ulcerated wounds, especially for extensive sores of animals. Ceromel, made with one part of wax and four parts of honey, is popular in the tropics for ulcers because it never becomes rancid.

During the Middle Ages honey was extensively used in the form of ointments and plasters for boils, wounds, burns and ulcers, plain or mixed with other ingredients. Charles Butler thought that honey "will knit together hollow and crooked ulcers and likewise close other disjoyned flesh." He highly praised the Unguentum Aegyptiacum which was made by boiling honey, vinegar and wintergreen. This plaster, according to Butler, would "open, clean, dry and digest all inflammations and resist putrefaction." Rectal suppositories contained honey and wax. Galen's honey and oil enema was popular for centuries.

Richard Remnant (The History of Bees, London, 1637) had implicit faith in "admirable baths made of honey which are excel-lent for Aches and strong Itches." A friend of his had "a foul itch that he was like a Leper." He cured him in the following manner: He used an empty Wine cask, called a Pipe, and "took out one head" and made a liquor of water and honey, making it pretty strong with honey and "heated it as hot as he could endure to stand in it," and poured it into the Pipe and "caused him to stand in it up to his neck a pretty while." This he did "three days, one after another, and he recovered as clear as ever." He had a like experience with "divers Aches." "If it be renewed every day with a little honey, it will be better."

The rural populations of the European continent, especially that of the Slavic countries, used honey for all kinds of wounds and inflammations. "Honey ointment", consisting of equal portions of honey and white flour, well mixed with a little water, had a wide usage. A good ointment should be more solidified than too liquid. Honey and burnt alum was another popular combination. In croupous diphtheria it was the accepted method of mothers to grip with their fingers a chunk of honey and vigorously rub, as far as they could reach, the throat and air passages of the patients. A honey poultice was also applied around the neck. Several drops of warm honey in the ear was considered an excellent remedy for pain, inflammation and ringing of the ear. Galen remarked: "Hony infused warme by itself wonderfully helps exulcerated ears, especially if they cast forth ill flavours, as also their singings and inflammations." Marcellus Empyricus suggested: "Honey, Butter and Oyle of Roses, of each a like quantity, warme, helps the paine of the ears, dulness of the sight and the white spots in the eyes."

The writer learned through personal communication that honey is still used for trachoma in the form of eyedrops. A Canadian mother related to him that two of her daughters contracted sore eyes while attending school, where there was an epidemic at the time. They were cured in two or three days by dropping honey into their eyes. It took two and three weeks for the other children in the school to get rid of the same trouble. Cataracts of the eyes were reported to have been cured by the same method, drop-ping honey into the eyes three times daily.

Our good friend, the famous globe-trotter Dr. W. E. Aughinbaugh, described an operation he witnessed in Panama, during the construction of the canal. A native Indian surgeon of considerable repute performed a disarticulation of the hip joint. He smoked cigarettes incessantly during the operation, laid them down occasionally, picking them up again with his bloody fingers. After the stump was sutured, the surgeon took from a large pail several handfuls of honey, which he smeared over the wound, covering it subsequently with gauze. He assured Dr. Aughinbaugh that he had never had an infection when he applied a layer of honey over the wound. Dr. Aughinbaugh has seen the natives of the Amazon region "suture" extensive injuries by letting beetles unite the margins of wounds with their robust mandibles. After the heads of the insects were severed, the mandibles remained closed and the wounds were covered with honey mixed with liquid wax. The results were excellent.

It is singular that, though honey was used for thousands of years for treatment of wounds and skin troubles, our modern medical literature ignores the subject. Lately, it seems, honey is gradually regaining its age-old repute and lost popularity. Dr. Zaiss, of Heidelberg, considers honey in the treatment of wounds superior to all other ointments. He has treated several thousand cases of severe infections with honey and could not report a single failure. Dr. Zaiss prefers honey even to tincture of iodine. He dresses the wounds with strips of gauze dipped in honey, and finds the wounds perfectly clean in 24 hours. The sloughs, even deep ones, usually adhere to the dressing material. Dr. Zaiss states that the application causes, at first, a transient smarting but the pain is soon relieved and a cooling sensation supervenes. The healing is remarkably rapid. He suggests a daily change of dressing.

The Germans were always firm believers in the curative power of honey, both internally and externally, as a surgical dressing. It is interesting that honey is now combined in Germany with an-other old popular remedy; namely, cod-liver oil. Pliny highly praised cod-liver oil as a wound dressing (Hist. Nat. 31:27). The Eskimos, Laplanders and the natives of Greenland use cod-liver oil even these days for the dressing of wounds. German surgeons, Zaiss, Sack, Lucke, Buchheister, Löhr, Gundel, Blattner and others, published recently in the medical journals miraculotis results which they obtained through the use of a cod-liver oil ointment called Desitin-Honey salve. Infected wounds, ulcerations, burns, fistulas, boils, carbuncles, felons, etc., are reported to heal in the shortest time. The ointment is supposed to check inflammation, stimulate granulation and remove deep necrotic tissues. Subjectively the ointment is very well tolerated because it alleviates pain and eases tension. The change of dressings is not painful because in twenty-four hours the wound is soaked in a rich exudate of lymph which prevents adherence of the dressing material to the wound and is easily removed. The odor of the ointment is rather pleasant, without a corrigent. It is difficult to say whether the honey or the cod-liver oil is the more helpful ingredient but it seems that it is a fortunate combination. The surgeons advise that, though its function is not scientifically proven and therefore justified, these facts should not interfere with its use. In skin diseases, even in psoriasis, the results obtained were excellent. For frostbites on ears, fingers and toes there is nothing which will take out sooner the frost and swelling than when these parts are wrapped in honey. Verrucae (warts) were reported to have been removed by the overnight application of a honey poultice.

Recently Dr. Charles Brunnich, a surgeon of Switzerland, joined the ranks of those who advocate honey for surgical dressings, especially for contused and badly slashed septic wounds. He quotes the case of a man whose finger was smashed in a grinding machine. The bone of the terminal phalanx of the finger was broken and hung on a skin flap. After wrapping the extremity in honey the finger grew on and rapidly healed. Another man had, in succession, two large carbuncles on the back. While the first carbuncle was operated on by a surgeon and left a deep ugly scar, the second was treated only with honey. The cores rapidly eliminated and the wound left only an insignificant scar.

In the "Alpenlindische Bienenzeitung" (February, 1935) we find the following report from a man: "In the winter of 1933 I heated a boiler of about thirty-five gallons of water. When I opened the cover, it flew with great force against the ceiling. The vapor and hot water poured forth over my unprotected head, over my hands and feet. Some minutes afterward I had violent pains and I believe I would have gone mad if my wife and my daughter had not helped me immediately. They took large pieces of linen, daubed them thickly with honey and put them on my head, neck, hands and feet. Almost instantly the pain ceased. I slept well all night and did not lose a single hair on my head. When the physician came he shook his head and said: `How can such a thing be possible?

We have Manuka honey +10 on the porridge every morning its a tad strong but works wonders cleaning you through from the day before, I have seen it used on the wards when I was in hospital a couple of years ago, wonderfull stuff, they had pots of maggots too :eek:.

[jakemaverick]

gr8 stuff! glad the dog survivd and u gave up on the vets!

if i ever get money agn will have to consider stocking up on honey just in case i need it!

[real6]

We have Manuka honey .

I'll have to look into that :)

Funny how our parents were. I remember as a kid skateboarding or when i got hurt my mom used to have aloe vera plants and other forms of herbal remedies she would put on my wounds. Funny things to think about when you're older :)

Maggots are very healthy for wounds and to get rid of rotten or tainted flesh/plasma.


You might enjoy this thread i started alittle while back:

A list of each Herb that is good for you!!!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107580

[the apprentice]

I'll have to look into that :)

Funny how our parents were. I remember as a kid skateboarding or when i got hurt my mom used to have aloe vera plants and other forms of herbal remedies she would put on my wounds. Funny things to think about when you're older :)

Maggots are very healthy for wounds and to get rid of rotten or tainted flesh/plasma.


You might enjoy this thread i started alittle while back:

A list of each Herb that is good for you!!!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=107580

Yes :) I enjoyed it and have her bookmarked for future reference.

[the apprentice]

gr8 stuff! glad the dog survivd and u gave up on the vets!

if i ever get money agn will have to consider stocking up on honey just in case i need it!

Old pops/Grandfather used to know all sorts of cures that we got treated with and everyone worked a treat, I still have his old copy of Culpeppers here which we have used several alternatives from, a good one for toothache is the tiny little yellow flower called Tormentil or Potentilla, we were on the fell shooting one day and a filling dropped out and the pain was quite bad, what you do is get the roots of the plant, they look like white carrot and crispy, get a root roll it up and chow down on it and the toothache will be gone in a few seconds and last for about 3 hours or so, don't get any juices on your tongue though or it will be numb for the rest of the day.

[jakemaverick]

Old pops/Grandfather used to know all sorts of cures that we got treated with and everyone worked a treat, I still have his old copy of Culpeppers here which we have used several alternatives from, a good one for toothache is the tiny little yellow flower called Tormentil or Potentilla, we were on the fell shooting one day and a filling dropped out and the pain was quite bad, what you do is get the roots of the plant, they look like white carrot and crispy, get a root roll it up and chow down on it and the toothache will be gone in a few seconds and last for about 3 hours or so, don't get any juices on your tongue though or it will be numb for the rest of the day.

good tip! i actually do suffer a lot from tooth ache ever since i was beaten up pretty badly few yrs back...same thing, knocked fillings out chipped teeth...also have cosntant headaches, bowel, groin and back ache ever since also....

i'm not allowed official access to so called medical attention and i refuse anyway because medical records are no longer confidential and i refuse to have anything that has been tortured on animals.....nor will i until people are held accountable for what people do <more in the blog>

do these flowers grow wild? do you have any pictures? dnt have the stones to kill myself so might look out for them when i next take dog for a walk.....

cheerZ!

[the apprentice]

good tip! i actually do suffer a lot from tooth ache ever since i was beaten up pretty badly few yrs back...same thing, knocked fillings out chipped teeth...also have cosntant headaches, bowel, groin and back ache ever since also....

i'm not allowed official access to so called medical attention and i refuse anyway because medical records are no longer confidential and i refuse to have anything that has been tortured on animals.....nor will i until people are held accountable for what people do <more in the blog>

do these flowers grow wild? do you have any pictures? dnt have the stones to kill myself so might look out for them when i next take dog for a walk.....

cheerZ!

Here is the plant, it grows mostly anywhere, very low/small on poorer soils

http://www.plant-identification.co.uk/skye/rosaceae/potentilla-erecta.htm

If you can afford it the very best book to have for picture ID is one by the Hodder and Stoughton called the illustrated flora of Britain and Northern Europe illustrated by Marjorie Blamey & Christopher Grey Wilson ISBN 0-340-40170-2.
And a paper backed Cullpeppers Complet Herbal and you are sorted for just about everything, make sure you follow the government and virtues in Cullpeppers or you are taking risks, and you do so at your own risk, if you get a Cullpeppers take a look at what it says about the gamja plant ;).

[jakemaverick]

they look like buttercups to me..and there is always chnace that some dog has weed on it!

cheerz i'll have a think and a look around....not allowed money so buying naything is out of question!

gamja plant? is that anything like ganja? <that's the magical plant i'm really after, sort out my joint pain and the rest- might even get some proper sleep agn! been a tad erratic these days if u see my other posts....> ;-)

Cheerz, you da man!!!

[dude111]

There is no possibility of me registering my dogs!
There is no possibility of anyone inserting a chip in my dogs!Very good.....

Just be careful bringing them to vet (They might try and sneak it in)

[the apprentice]

Very good.....

Just be careful bringing them to vet (They might try and sneak it in)

Anyone who has a metal detector can find these items a piece of cake, there are some pretty good models out there today that can discriminate for all metal types, in found a small slither of metal embeded in my hand from a chisel I was using once, it was about 2.00mm mine found it no problem.

[dude111]

OW!! Im glad you got it out!!

That sounds like the tool to have :)

[the apprentice]

OW!! Im glad you got it out!!

That sounds like the tool to have :)

Hey Dude

Actually I had to go and get it operated on because it was stuck right into the bone, but the detector did the job spot on, and I watched them do it, it was very intresting to see the finger opening up to the bone :eek:

[jakemaverick]

some rfid's have an extremely small amount of metal and some dnt have any, encased in plastic, size of a dust particle and i believe they use a kind of ceramic to do the bit that the metal traditionally does....

u need an RF scanner- but no guarntee they wd detect it or be precise enough to locate the exact area....the chips cantransmit on a different frequency t those that the scanners are designed to detect, they can also power down when they detect the scanner beam....

logically the peeps that develop these things along with their spymaster organisations wd also be involved with the tech designed to detect it....wd'nt surprise me that all the companies selling the detectors are owned/ controlled directly or indirectly by sppoks/ the govt.....

anyway, shove some magnets up your arse and wear a tin foil hat- you 'might' be safe then......

[jakemaverick]

Hey Dude

Actually I had to go and get it operated on because it was stuck right into the bone, but the detector did the job spot on, and I watched them do it, it was very intresting to see the finger opening up to the bone :eek:

ouch! i wud have doen the surgery myself or just lived with it personally....

[dude111]

Hey Dude

Actually I had to go and get it operated on because it was stuck right into the bone, but the detector did the job spot on, and I watched them do it, it was very intresting to see the finger opening up to the bone :eek:OOWW!! Im glad you came thru it OK!!!

:)

[real6]

Here is the plant, it grows mostly anywhere, very low/small on poorer soils

http://www.plant-identification.co.uk/skye/rosaceae/potentilla-erecta.htm

If you can afford it the very best book to have for picture ID is one by the Hodder and Stoughton called the illustrated flora of Britain and Northern Europe illustrated by Marjorie Blamey & Christopher Grey Wilson ISBN 0-340-40170-2.


Nice, i'll check it out

Amazon.com: The Illustrated Flora of Britain and Northern Europe (Teach Yourself) (9780340401705): Marjorie Blamey, Christopher Grey Wilson, C. Grey-Wilson: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41PqdAHo3lL.@@AMEPARAM@@41PqdAHo3lL

[januspolanski]

HaHa No microchip for my pups. My stupid gf took the pup to vet for initial injections and booked both dogs in for microchip whilst there. I nearly knocked her out and showed her resuls of studies done on mice re microchips and that was enough to convince her otherwise.

[freeyourmind85]

They can fuck right off if they think they're getting their grotty hands on my dogs!!!

Like my fucking Chihuahua and Bichon Frise is a risk to the rest of society.... no, didn't think so. Their no bigger than a basket ball. Yeah really gonna bite someones face off.

Their gonna have to find my dogs first before they can microchip 'em. FUCKERS!!!

[wakeup2nwo]

Man guilty of teenager's 'weapon dog' murder in south London park

Paul Cheston, Courts Correspondent Paul Cheston, Courts Correspondent
18.03.10

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23816750-man-guilty-of-teenagers-weapon-dog-murder-in-south-london-park.do

A thug faced life imprisonment today for using vicious dogs as attack weapons to murder a teenager.

For the first time new techniques to analyse canine DNA were used successfully to jail a savage dog's owner.

The murder convictions come a week after Home Secretary Alan Johnson announced plans to introduce compulsory insurance and microchipping to combat the growing menace of dangerous dogs.

The weakness of the old legislation was clear as less than a year before the murder one of the killers had been issued with a court order to keep his dog leashed and muzzled in public.

The gang leader unleashed dogs in a south London park to chase, bring down and savage his 16-year-old victim.

He then stabbed Christopher Ogunyemi, known as Seyi, six times and left him to die at the scene.

Seyi's friend Hurui Hiyabu, 17, was stabbed nine times but amazingly survived, while two other friends, aged 15 and 17, were also stabbed and lived.

All three of these victims were also bitten by the dogs.

Prosecutor Brian Altman QC told the Old Bailey jury the murder was "an unusual, if not unique case."

Chrisdian Johnson, 22, from south Lambeth, was convicted of Seyi's murder and the attempted murder of his friend.

He will be sentenced to life imprisonment by Judge Christopher Moss tomorrow.

His brother Shane Johnson, 20, and Darcy Menezes, 18 of Clapham, was cleared of both charges.

The two dogs involved were a cross Staffordshire Bull Terrier and Bull Mastiff, called Tyson, owned by Chrisdian Johnson, and a brindle Staffordshire Terrier called Mia said to have been owned by Menezes.

Both dogs have been kept in a protected pound but a decision has yet to be made on whether they face a death sentence.

The attack took place in Larkhall park, Lambeth in April 2009 when Seyi's group from the Stockwell Gardens estate was confronted by a larger group from the Landsdowne Green estate off the Wandsworth Road.

Eye witnesses who saw the larger group, dressed in hoodies and masks, described them as looking as if "they were on a mssion".

Seyi suffered multiple wounds which penetrated his aorta and his body was also marked by dog bites. He died where he fell despite emergency surgery at the scene from paramedics.

The elder Johnson brother fled from police after the attack, bare chested and covered in blood.

When he was arrested the blood was found to be partly Seyi's and partly from the dog.

Tyson - who was found to have a microchip identifying Chrisdian Johnson as the owner - left his DNA on one of the survivors and a trial of his blood from the murder scene.

The new DNA technique provided one in one billion identification evidence and has been hailed by police as "a hugely powerful investigative tool."

Miah's saliva was found on one of Seyi's friends caught up in the attack.

Less than a year before the murder Johnson had been issued with a court order under the Dangerous Dogs Act stating that Tyson be leashed and muzzled in public.

During the trial Mr Altman told the court: "In the initial stages of the attack both dogs were deployed as weapons, gaining their human masters an advantage by enabling them to (bring down) their victims in order to stab them."

[wakeup2nwo]

Wednesday 17 March 2010
Reformers Beware The Dangerous Dogs Act

http://www.ukpets.co.uk/ukp/index.php?rtn=temp66_249_71_80_at_1036&sf=933659542&section=Home&sub=News&rws=&method=fetch&item=1622&tb=introduction

Compulsory dog insurance and microchipping; compulsory dog breeder licensing; neutering; whelping-box to grave registration; revocation of breed-specific legislation; any of the above it seems, is impossible to implement. Whenever they arise, the Government is never able to give a lead nor stand its ground against the disparate agenda of far-too-many pet industry lobbyists.

Since the 9th March launch of the Defra, Home Office consultation on the problems of dangerous dogs, the bandwagon that materialised, (and it's always the same magic bandwagon, stacked high with opinion), has taken just over a week to track down and trundle over, the bodies of the consultation's two public advocates, Hilary Benn and Alan Johnson. The sacrificial pair were unable to escape, having become caught in the ever-so-controversial jaws of the breed specific legislation of the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991.

Recanting, under the weight of cartwheels, the possibility of even discussing compulsory dog insurance, Benn/Johnson last night fatally undermined this consultation before any formal public consulting had begun.

The 'all dogs' insurance proposal has been described variously as: 'unenforceable' - by the pet insurance industry; 'a dog tax on five million owners' - by the Conservatives; and as 'punishing responsible dog owners' - mainly by the right-wing press. The Right had it easy. No proposal, no matter how morally well-intentioned, which even hints at a reduction in the number of pets in circulation, will be well received within the pet industry. All it took was a bit of whipping-up, a bit of scaremongering, and hey presto, you're scraping Benn/Johnson off the ground, and looking for the nearest bin.

Truly responsible dog owners are really not about to complain about a blanket insurance. They see it as a sensible precaution against a worst-case scenario. Owners are legally responsible for the actions of their dogs. Any injury or damage leaves the owner liable to prosecution and claims for compensation. So truly responsible dog owners will already have the extra cover attached to their pet-health insurance.

There have been some seriously exaggerated estimations of the costs to dog owners of taking out 3rd party liability insurance on their dogs. Today, for example, the Daily Express described in its article, that an:

"..all-encompassing 'devil dog tax', [..] would have forced responsible owners to pay up to £600 a year in insurance."

Let's leave aside the implication by the Express that this is a tax when it is not. Even professional dog-walkers can insure themselves for decent 3rd party liability for one tenth of that alarming £600 price tag. The insurer Nationwide Associates of Registered Dog Sitters, (NARDS) sells a basic pet sitting insurance which starts at £60.00/year.

DDA

The Dangerous Dogs Act is, and until it is changed always will be, the badly formed keystone that prevents the development of any future holistic approach to improving our relationships with dogs. For as long as a dog is 'illegal' under breed specific legislation, a breeder will not register its birth, the dog is unlikely to be microchipped, it can never be insured. There is not the remotest hope of change.

The failings of the DDA thwart most measures to control the unwanted dog population. There is no hope of ending puppy-farms nor of curbing the anti-social behaviour of some owners, no hope of reducing the number of mouths to feed in rescue centres.

Success in almost any field of dog welfare can be expressed, at least by one measure, as a reduction in unwanted dog-ownership. The pet industry sees this as a potential fall in the dog population in general. Who in the pet industry wants that to happen? Those dog owners that don't insure their dogs don't want the extra expense. Pet food manufacturers don't want reduced sales. For the same reason, no producer or retailer of collars or beds or leads wants it either.

If, within a more effective legal framework, everyone who owned a dog was capable, of looking after them properly, (physically, intellectually, financially..), there would be far less need for dog walkers and dog-whisperers, a much smaller Dogs Trust, less domestic work for the RSPCA, no PDSA.

The weight of dislocated self-interest throughout the pet industry conspires in a most unlikely architecture to hold the DDA in place, which in its turn keeps the whole edifice from tumbling down. Everyone says they want change. Nobody wants change. No change. A reformation-resistant status-quo.

Meanwhile, pinned down there in the dirt, staring up at the rest of us packed onto a wagon high above the spokes of a large cartwheel, the Benn/Johnson bedfellowship could be forgiven for wondering.. just how on earth did I end up here?

[jakemaverick]

For a version of this press release with photos of the dogs, please see:
http://www.antichips.com/press-releases/chipped-pets.html

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
March 25, 2010

CHIPPED PETS DEVELOP FAST-GROWING, LETHAL TUMORS
Owners, Medical Reports Point to Link Between RFID Chips and Cancers in
Canines

Highly aggressive tumors developed around the microchip implants of two
American dogs, killing one of the pets and leaving the other terminally
ill. Their owners --- and pathology and autopsy reports --- have
suggested a link between the chips and the formation of the fast-growing
cancers.

In the town of Paeonian Springs, Va., a five-year-old male Bullmastiff
named Seamus died in February, nine months after developing a
"hemangio-sarcoma" --- a rare, malignant form of cancer that strikes
connective tissues and can kill even humans in three to six months. The
tumor appeared last May between the dog's shoulder blades where a
microchip had been implanted; by September, a "large mass" had grown
with the potential to spread to the lungs, liver and spleen, according a
pathology report from the Blue Ridge Veterinary Clinic in Purcellville,
Va.

Originally scheduled to receive just a biopsy, Seamus underwent
emergency surgery. A foot-long incision was opened to extract the
4-pound-3-ounce tumor, and four drains were needed to remove fluid where
the tumor had developed.

When Howard Gillis, the dog's owner, picked up his pet the following
day, the attending veterinarian stunned him with this question: Did you
know your dog had been microchipped twice, and that both chips were in
or around the tumor?

"While we knew of one chip, which we had put in him at a free local
county clinic, we knew nothing of a second chip," Gillis said. "We
believe one of them was put in Seamus by the breeder from whom we bought
him when he was about nine months old."

By December, the cancer was back --- and the energetic, playful
150-pound dog was huffing and puffing, struggling to walk. Seamus "was
150 pounds of heart," Gillis said in a recent interview. "He wanted to
live."

Gillis said he "got the microchip because I didn't want him stolen. I
thought I was doing right. There were never any warnings about what a
microchip could do, but I saw it first-hand. That cancer was something I
could see growing every day, and I could see it taking his life ... It
just ate him up." To keep his beloved dog from suffering further, he had
him put to sleep two months later.

In Memphis, a five-year-old Yorkshire Terrier named Scotty was diagnosed
with cancer at the Cloverleaf Animal Clinic in December. A tumor between
the dog's shoulder blades --- precisely where a microchip had been
embedded --- was described as malignant lymphoma. A tumor the size of a
small balloon was removed; encased in it was a microchip.

Scotty was given no more than a year to live.

But the dog's owner, Linda Hawkins, wasn't satisfied with just a
prognosis: She wanted to know whether the presence of the microchip had
anything to do with Scotty's illness. Initially, her veterinarian was
skeptical that a chip implant could trigger cancer; research has shown
that vaccine injections in dogs and cats can lead to tumors.

In a December pathology report on Scotty, Evan D. McGee wrote: "I was
previously suspicious of a prior unrelated injection site reaction"
beneath the tumor. "However, it is possible that this inflammation is
associated with other foreign debris, possibly from the microchip."

Observing the glass-encapsulated tag under a microscope, he noted it was
partially coated with a translucent material, normally used to keep
embedded microchips from moving around the body. "This coating could be
the material inciting the inflammatory response," McGee wrote.

Hawkins sent the pathology report to HomeAgain, the national pet
recovery and identification network that endorses microchipping of pets.
After having a vet review the document, the company said the chip did
not cause Scotty's tumor --- then in January sent Hawkins a $300 check
to cover her clinical expenses, no questions asked.

"I find it hard to believe that a company will just give away $300 to
somebody who calls in, unless there is something bad going on," Hawkins
says.

Having spent $4,000 on medical treatment for Scotty since December,
Hawkins accepted the money. But she says it hardly covers her $900
monthly outlays for chemotherapy and does little to ease her pet's
suffering.

"Scotty is just a baby. He won't live the 15 years he's supposed to ...I
did something I thought a responsible pet owner should --- microchip
your pet --- and to think that it killed him ... It just breaks your
heart."

Scotty and Seamus aren't the only pets to have suffered adverse
reactions from microchips. Published reports have detailed malignant
tumors in two other chipped dogs; in one dog, the researchers said
cancer appeared linked to the presence of the embedded chip; in the
other, the cancer's cause was uncertain.

Last year, a Chihuahua bled to death in the arms of his distraught
owners in Agua Dulce, Calif., just hours after undergoing a chipping
procedure. The veterinarian who performed the chipping confirmed that
dog died from blood loss associated with the microchip.

In another case, a kitten died instantly when a microchip was
accidentally injected into its brain stem. And in another, a cat was
paralyzed when an implant entered its spinal column. The implants have
been widely reported to migrate within animals' bodies, and can cause
abscesses and infection.

In 2007, The Associated Press reported on a series of veterinary and
toxicology studies that found that microchip implants had "induced"
malignant tumors in some lab animals. Published in veterinary and
toxicology journals between 1996 and 2006, the studies found that
between 1 and 10 percent of lab mice and rats injected with microchips
developed malignant tumors, most of them encasing the implants.

For more information on the link between microchips and cancer, please
read our report:
"Microchip-Induced Tumors in Laboratory Rodents and Dogs: A Review of
the Literature 1990–2006"
by Katherine Albrecht, Ed.D.
http://www.antichips.com/cancer/index.html

To arrange an interview, please contact:
Katherine Albrecht, Ed.D.
Founder and Director, Antichips.com
kma@antichips.com

Bio: Dr. Katherine Albrecht is a privacy expert who has writtern
extensively on the topic of implanted microchips. She is an outspoken
opponent of implantable microchips, RFID, and retail privacy invasion.
Katherine has authored pro-privacy legislation, testified before
lawmakers around the globe, written for numerous publications including
Scientific American, and granted over 2,000 media interviews. Katherine
is syndicated radio host, bestselling author, and the U.S. spokesperson
for www.Startpage.com, the world's most private search engine. Katherine
holds a doctorate in Education from Harvard University.

www.AntiChips.com // www.KatherineAlbrecht.com

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[guuna]

I knew they'd make it compulsory one day, and with public approval I'm sure. "You'll never lose Rover again" and if you're a farmer "This will protect your animals from rustlers" etc etc etc.:rolleyes::p And all this time they'll be developing the infrastructure, techological advnaces and staff training etc.:(:eek: until the day they can say: "Right, it's humans now". And we'll have allowed them to do it with our support.

this is quite so.

When my mother took our cat, Flint, in to have his 'bits done', they automatically had him chip implanted too.

'No extra charge'.

Pets were the guinea pigs, humans will be next.:eek: