Authority of Babylonian Talmud revealed

[eternal_spirit]

The Truth About the Talmud

A Documented Exposé of Supremacist Rabbinic Hate Literature

By Warrant of John 18:37, Galatians 4:16
Copyright ©2000-2006 by Michael A. Hoffman II All Rights Reserved
Introduction

The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."
The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also be seen in the case of the black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians are very knowledgeable of the Old Testament. However, their religion is so ancient it pre-dates the Scribes' Talmud, of which the Ethiopians have no knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept. 29, 1992, p.4:
"The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further than the Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the basis of modern traditions never came their way."
Because they are not traffickers in Talmudic tradition, the black Ethiopian Jews are discriminated against and have been forbidden by the Zionists to perform marriages, funerals and other services in the Israeli state.
Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik is regarded as one of the most influential rabbis of the 20th century, the "unchallenged leader" of Orthodox Judaism and the top international authority on halakha (Jewish religious law). Soloveitchik was responsible for instructing and ordaining more than 2,000 rabbis, "an entire generation" of Jewish leadership.
N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of the rabbi's authority:
"Soloveitchik came from a long line of distinguished Talmudic scholars...Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost exclusively to the study of the Talmud...He came to Yeshiva University's Elchanan Theological Seminary where he remained the pre-eminent teacher in the Talmud...He held the title of Leib Merkin professor of Talmud...sitting with his feet crossed in front of a table bearing an open volume of the Talmud." (N.Y. Times, April 10, 1993, p. 38).
Nowhere does Goldman refer to Soloveitchik's knowledge of the Bible as the basis for being one of the leading authorities on Jewish law.
The rabbi's credentials are all predicated upon his mastery of the Talmud. Other studies are clearly secondary. Britain's Jewish Chronicle of March 26, 1993 states that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are "devoted to the Talmud to the exclusion of everything else."
The Talmud Nullifies the Bible
The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus' time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.
Shmuel Safrai in The Literature of the Sages Part One (p.164), points out that in chapters 4 and 5 of the Talmud's Gittin Tractate, the Talmud nullifies the Biblical teaching concerning money-lending: "Hillel decreed the prozbul for the betterment of the world. The prozbul is a legal fiction which allows debts to be collected after the Sabbatical year and it was Hillel's intention thereby to overcome the fear that money-lenders had of losing their money."
The famous warning of Jesus Christ about the tradition of men that voids Scripture (Mark 7:1-13), is in fact, a direct reference to the Talmud, or more specifically, the forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during Christ's lifetime, before being committed to writing. Mark chapter 7, from verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord's pointed condemnation of the Mishnah.
Unfortunately, due to the abysmal ignorance of our day, the widespread "Judeo-Christian" notion is that the Old Testament is the supreme book of Judaism. But this is not so. The Pharisees teach for doctrine the commandments of rabbis, not God.
The Talmudic commentary on the Bible is their supreme law, and not the Bible itself. That commentary does indeed, as Jesus said, void the laws of God, not uphold them. As students of the Talmud, we know this to be true.
Jewish scholar Hyam Maccoby, in Judaism on Trial, quotes Rabbi Yehiel ben Joseph: "Further, without the Talmud, we would not be able to understand passages in the Bible...God has handed this authority to the sages and tradition is a necessity as well as scripture. The Sages also made enactments of their own...anyone who does not study the Talmud cannot understand Scripture."
There is a tiny Jewish sect which makes considerable effort to eschew Talmud and adhere to the Old Testament alone. These are the Karaites, a group which, historically, has been most hated and severely persecuted by orthodox Jewish rabbinate.
To the Mishnah the rabbis later added the Gemara (rabbinical commentaries). Together these comprise the Talmud. There are two versions, the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud.
The Babylonian Talmud is regarded as the authoritative version: "The authority of the Babylonian Talmud is also greater than that of the Jerusalem Talmud. In cases of doubt the former is decisive." (R.C. Musaph-Andriesse, From Torah to Kabbalah: A Basic Introduction to the Writings of Judaism, p. 40).
This study is based on the Jewish-authorized Babylonian Talmud. We have published herein the authenticated sayings of the Jewish Talmud. Look them up for yourself.
We publish the following irrefutable documentation in the hope of liberating all people, including Jewish people, from the corrosive delusions and racism of this Talmudic hate literature, which is the manual of Orthodox and Hasidic Jews the world over.
The implementation by Jewish supremacists of Talmudic hate literature has caused untold suffering throughout history and now, in occupied Palestine, it is used as a justification for the mass murder of Palestinian civilians. The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.
Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmud

Where a Jew Should Do Evil
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Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Insults Against Blessed Mary
Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
Gloats over Christ Dying Young
A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."
Jesus in the Talmud:
Horrible Blasphemies Against Jesus Christ
While it is the standard disinformation practice of apologists for the Talmud to deny that it contains any scurrilous references to Jesus Christ, certain Orthodox Jewish organizations are more forthcoming and admit that the Talmud not only mentions Jesus but disparages him (as a sorcerer and a demented sex freak). These orthodox Jewish organizations make this admission perhaps out of the belief that Jewish supremacy is so well-established in the modern world that they need not concern themselves with adverse reactions.
For example, on the website of the Orthodox Jewish Hasidic Lubavitch group--one of the largest in the world--we find the following statement, complete with Talmudic citations:
"The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of 'Jesus the Nazarene':
1) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh, which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).
End quote from http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm (Lubavitch website (http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm)) June 20, 2000.
[Note: we have printed and preserved in our files a hard copy of this statement from the Lubavitch"Noah's Covenant Website," as it appeared on their website at http://www.noahide.com on June 20, 2000, in the event that denials are later issued and the statement itself suppressed].
Let us examine further some of these anti-Christ Talmud passages:
Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."
Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in Soncino footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery: "It is taught that on the eve of Passover Jesus was hung, and forty days before this the proclamation was made: Jesus is to be stoned to death because he has practiced sorcery and has lured the people to idolatry...He was an enticer and of such thou shalt not pity or condone."
Kallah 51a."The elders were once sitting in the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his head and the other uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head Rabbi Eliezer remarked that he is a bastard. Rabbi Joshua remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period). Rabbi Akiba said that he is both a bastard and a son of a niddah.
"They said, 'What induced you to contradict the opinion of your colleagues?' He replied, "I will prove it concerning him." He went to the lad's mother and found her sitting in the market selling beans.
"He said to her, 'My daughter, if you will answer the question I will put to you, I will bring you to the world to come.' (eternal life). She said to him, 'Swear it to me.'
"Rabbi Akiba, taking the oath with his lips but annulling it in his heart, said to her, 'What is the status of your son?' She replied, 'When I entered the bridal chamber I was niddah (menstruating) and my husband kept away from me; but my best man had intercourse with me and this son was born to me.' Consequently the child was both a bastard and the son of a niddah.
"It was declared, '..Blessed be the God of Israel Who Revealed His Secret to Rabbi Akiba..."
In addition to the theme that God rewards clever liars, the preceding Talmud discussion is actually about Jesus Christ (the bastard boy who "uncovered his head" and was conceived in the filth of menstruation). The boy's adulterous mother in this Talmud story is the mother of Christ, Blessed Mary (called Miriam and sometimes, Miriam the hairdresser, in the Talmud).

"The Editio Princeps of the complete Code of Talmudic Law, Maimonides' Mishneh Torah -- replete not only with the most offensive precepts against all Gentiles but also with explicit attacks on Christianity and on Jesus (after whose name the author adds piously, 'May the name of the wicked perish')... --Dr. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21.
"The Talmud contains a few explicit references to Jesus...These references are certainly not complimentary...There seems little doubt that the account of the execution of Jesus on the eve of Passover does refer to the Christian Jesus...The passage in which Jesus' punishment in hell is described also seems to refer to the Christian Jesus. It is a piece of anti-Christian polemic dating from the post-70 CE period..." --Hyam Maccoby, Judaism on Trial, pp. 26-27.
"According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.
"The more popular accounts--which were nevertheless taken quite seriously--such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name 'Jesus' was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists...
"The Hebrew form of the name Jesus--Yeshu--was interpreted as an acronym for the curse, 'may his name and memory be wiped out,' which is used as an extreme form of abuse. In fact, anti-zionist Orthodox Jews (such as Neturey Qarta) sometimes refer to Herzl as 'Herzl Jesus' and I have found in religious zionist writings expressions such as "Nasser Jesus" and more recently 'Arafat Jesus." --Dr. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, pp. 97- 98, 118.
Talmud Attacks Christians and Christian Books
Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.
Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books") will have no portion in the world to come.
Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.
Dr. Israel Shahak of Hebrew University reports that the Israelis burned hundreds of New Testament Bibles in occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).
Sick and Insane Teachings of the Talmud
Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix with honey and eat it.
Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.
Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.
Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.On one of his whorehouse romps, Rabbi Eleazar leanred that there was one particular prostitute residing in a whorehouse near the sea, who would receive a bag of money for her services. He took a bag of money and went to her, crossing seven rivers to do so. During their intercourse the prostitute farted. After this the whore told Rabbi Eleazar: "Just as this gas will never return to my anus, Rabbi Eleazar will never get to heaven."
Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.
Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."
Gittin 69b. To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it loosens the limbs."
Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.
Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.
Tall Tales of a Roman Holocaust
Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b. Claims that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans. (Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the entire world at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four billion Jews).



read full article here

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

[lightgiver]

FRIGHTENING OR WHAT:eek:

[eternal_spirit]

FRIGHTENING OR WHAT:eek:

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Disturbing and not many seem to know about or talk about it.

[zarah]

The Talmud is one of the most racist and disturbing documents ever written in my opinion. It really is quite appalling that some people are negatively labelled for trying to bring it to the attention of others.

[eternal_spirit]

The Talmud is one of the most racist and disturbing documents ever written in my opinion. It really is quite appalling that some people are negatively labelled for trying to bring it to the attention of others.

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The Talumudic Jews don't want this to be known, that's why they label anyone a racist for speaking out and getting to close too the truth. When in fact they are the racists.

[madthumbs]

The Talmud is one of the most racist and disturbing documents ever written in my opinion. It really is quite appalling that some people are negatively labelled for trying to bring it to the attention of others.

The Christian Old Testament and even NT, is about on par as far as racism goes. Jesus did refer to a gentile as a dog among his Children, and he commissioned his apostles to go first unto the house of Israel (not that I believe in this fictional character).

The Talumudic Jews don't want this to be known, that's why they label anyone a racist for speaking out and getting to close too the truth. When in fact they are the racists.

Christianity is a denomination of Judaism and they generally don't want their racism known either.

[eternal_spirit]

Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

wtf:confused::(

[eternal_spirit]

Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."

:rolleyes:

[madthumbs]

These articles are just diversions from the fact that the Bible teaches Judaism and most of it's sickness's to the gentiles which includes instructions on raping conquered women, managing slaves, mutilating infant genitals, killing witches, homosexuals, and adulterers, etc.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books)

And it is not supposed to be! The Damn Fools, even the Old Testament prophets condemned the Babylonian Talmud.

They have Rabbinic Seminars debating Laws like: You shall not kindle a fire on the Sabbath, and spend hours discussing whether you can rekindle a fire that has gone out, can you keep it stoked and so on. It could also simply mean: one day a week, on YHVHs Sabbath, let nothing anger you.

good post ES as it does illustrate the deviation from the Path.


Go Karaites!!

[octopusrex]

Another history book gone bad?

[eternal_spirit]

bump

[eternal_spirit]

Editor faces prison term for criticizing the Talmud


From the Union of Councils of Jews of the Former Soviet Union:


Oddessa Newspaper Editor on Trial for Antisemitic Articles



The editor of an Odessa, Ukraine newspaper faces an August 14 trial for
inciting hatred against Jews, according to an August 13, 2008 report by
the web site Jewish.ru. Igor Volin-Danilov, editor of "Nashe Delo,"
faces a possible prison term for publishing an article entitled "Kill
the Best of the Goys" that, according to the prosecutor, "uses falsified
translations and interpretations of the Talmud" in order to present a
picture of Judaism as "criminal and amoral" that "insults the Jewish
people, its religion and traditions." The paper has published several
antisemitic articles in the past. (End quote from Union of Councils of
Jews of the Former Soviet Union).

HOFFMAN'S NOTE: The newspaper editor, Mr. Volin-Danilov, was apparently
alluding to the teaching of one of the supreme gedolim of Judaism, Rabbi
Shimon (Simon) ben Yohai: "Even the best of the gentiles should all be
killed."

The genocidal Rabbi Yohai is highly revered in Orthodox Judaism and has
a holiday dedicated to him on Judaism's religious calendar, Lag B'omer.
His Israeli grave is an international pilgrimage site for Orthodox
Judaics and Zionists. Legend has it that he is the father of the Zohar
(Kabbalah).

Arresting someone for stating that Yohai advocated the extermination of
the gentiles is like arresting someone for claiming Hitler wanted to
exterminate Judaic people.

The reputation of rabbinic extermination advocates is protected. They
are a special class with special immunities, enforced by show trials and
dungeons.

--Michael Hoffman
author of "Judaism Discovered"
(This book is banned by Amazon.com by rabbinic decree)


http://www.fsumonitor.com/stories/081408Ukraine.shtml

Michael A. Hoffman II: Editor. RevisionistHistory.org


You can say what you like about any other religon without the fear of being prosecuted

[seanx]

Excellent post, ES revealing the horrible true nature of this matrix
belief system.

It's a pity you can't maintain the same independence of mind
on the Christian matrix belief system that blights our western society.

A system which for some strange reason you always defend.

[eternal_spirit]

Nice to agree Sean. Good luck to the Jewish people in rejecting the Talmud's teachings and hope they find the courage to deny the Rabbi's false authority over themselves, their families, freedom and lives.

[eternal_spirit]

Although I disagree with you saying I always defend Christianity If you remember some of my posts about my family from Ierland I explained my views and how religion was rejected and never followed in my family.

I have stood up for some Christians on here, because of the amount of bullying they received from others. I admit I have pointed out some of the good points and morals of some of the commandments, and compared to some of the sick rituals of the other mainstream religions some versions of Christianity does allow a little more freedoms IMO.

But let's stay on topic.

[endlessvista]

If you remember some of my posts about my family from Ierland I explained my views and how religion was rejected and never followed in my family.



Please explain this further.

BTW I have known dozens of Jews and I never met one who follows the more crazy teachings of the Talmud anymore than I have never met a catholic who follows the more crazy teachings of the Vatican.

Look, all organised religion is insane. Most people with half a mind know this. What you are trying to do is paint all jews with the same brush and this is not fair. Sure the extremists are everywhere, but they are not the norm. Not by a long shot.

There are some things which David Icke says which I think are bollox, but this does not detract from the fact that in general I admire the man and his work. This is how most people in this world practice their religion. The Talmud's more stupid stuff you have posted, I bet there are some real gems of wisdom in there you have ignored.

You not being fair to Jews.

[eternal_spirit]

The Talmud came out of Egypt, the Babylonian Talmud, with the Jews this was the beginning of Judaism.... if you know your Icke you should know about what he referred to as the Babylonian Brotherhood.

Freemasonry has long praised the Cabala, and its top officials have admitted that the Lodge’s rituals and teachings are but the offspring of the Jewish tradition. Albert Pike, former Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite, wrote: "One is filled with admiration, on penetrating into the Sanctuary of the Cabala."
In 1855, the renowned Rabbi Isaac Wise wrote: "Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end."
The Jewish Tribune newspaper, in 1927, in an editorial, stated: "Freemasonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic ritual and what is left?"
http://www.conspiracyworld.com/web/Articles/Article%20Images/cabalistic_star_of_david_richardsons.jpg In Richardson’s Monitor of Freemasonry (p. 64), this symbol is used to illustrate the Royal Arch Degree. Masonic literature is replete with examples of the Jewish Star of David and other Cabalistic tokens, symbols, emblems, and signs.
Ray Novosel, writing from Australia in 2004, states: "Zionist world leaders, men in influential positions with the various Masonic organizations everywhere, have worked ‘hand in glove’ for a universal world revolution, which will bring in the One World Church and a One World Government. Many Masonic Lodges are exclusively Jewish, as are the controlling B’nai B’rith Lodges—the mother of the infamous and very dangerous Anti-Defamation League (ADL)."
Albert Pike maintained that, "Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion." Pike also asserted that the true meanings of the mysterious and arcane symbols of Freemasonry are found in the occult philosophy of the Jewish Cabala, that Freemasonry owes all its secrets to the Cabala, and that Freemasonry is a religion based on the Cabala.
Regrettably, few Christian leaders have the courage to even mention the Jewish Cabala, let alone expose it. Timid, little cowards, they are too frightened, worried they will be reported to the Jewish ADL thought police and that they might (horrors!) be branded an "anti-Semite." (Same As Icke was by ADL)

[lizzy]

well endlessvista you can be sure they are well and truly buried under that racist abhorrent document.
The Jewish people are in a delemma , they have been called the chosen people but for thouands of years had to live with the monsterous Talmud and get loyally worked over by their own ruling families.

[madthumbs]

Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

wtf:confused::(

There is no "age of consent" in the Bible or didn't you know that? Hebrews in the Bible were given instructions on how to properly rape their conquered virgins (how old do virgins tend to be?).

Matthew 7:3
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

[eternal_spirit]

Jewish gangsters in Russia have become increasingly linked to traffic in "white slaves" and prostitutes through Israel, according to a recent report in the Jerusalem Post. Israel turns an official blind eye to forced prostitution, and does not punish Israeli citizens who choose to own "sex slaves", as long as the slaves are foreign and non-Jews.

According to the Talmudic En-cyclopedia: 'He who has carnal knowledge of the wife of a Gentile is not liable to the death penalty, for it is written: "thy fellow's wife" rather than the alien's wife; and even the precept that a man "shall cleave unto his wife" which is addressed to the Gentiles does not apply to a Jew, just there is no matrimony for a heathen; and al-though a married Gentile woman is forbidden to the Gentiles, in any case a Jew is exemp-ted.' This does not imply that sexual inter-course between a Jewish man and a Gentile woman is permitted - quite the contrary. But the main punishment is inflicted on the Gentile woman; she must be executed, even if she was raped by the Jew:

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-atrocities-blood-libel.html

[endlessvista]

eternal spirit, you are just flirting with being an anti-semite while pretending not to be. You continually paint ALL jews with the same brush and I am telling you for a fact that most Jews are not how you are trying to portray them as being the Talmudic fanatics you accuse them of being.

Even if you were just involved in an honest appraisal of the more bonkers aspects of an organised religion then fair enough, but the fact that you come it with defending christianity loses you all credibility as at the end of day you are indulging in tacky sectarianism between your own christian sect and a Jewish sect you do not approve.

Do you really expect people not to see though your agenda?

If we are going to escape from "the agenda" then inter-religious sectarianism and racial bigotry is the first bondage we have to cast off. As it is a trap laid for all mankind to divide and conquer us. You have fallen well and truly into this trap and the sad thing is you can't see it.

Just to prove that you are not giving the full picture I suggest you read about the early history of the Jewish state. Not only did the first settlers PAY the Palistianians for the land they moved into, but most of them were non-religious Jews and the creed of the early Jewish state was "we must turn Jews from being a nation of merchants and shopkeepers into a nation of FARMERS and TRADESMEN" - does this tie in with the quotes from the Talmud you posted? No it most certainly does not.

The nation of Israel was founded as a well meaning country with mainly noble ideals. It was not until the French and British imperialists looking after their interest in Suez armed and empowered the more militaristic aspects of the Jewish state that the problems we have today arose.

You need to learn you history.

[eternal_spirit]

eternal spirit, you are just flirting with being an anti-semite while pretending not to be. You continually paint ALL jews with the same brush and I am telling you for a fact that most Jews are not how you are trying to portray them as being the Talmudic fanatics you accuse them of being.

Even if you were just involved in an honest appraisal of the more bonkers aspects of an organised religion then fair enough, but the fact that you come it with defending christianity loses you all credibility as at the end of day you are indulging in tacky sectarianism between your own christian sect and a Jewish sect you do not approve.

Do you really expect people not to see though your agenda?

If we are going to escape from "the agenda" then inter-religious sectarianism and racial bigotry is the first bondage we have to cast off. As it is a trap laid for all mankind to divide and conquer us. You have fallen well and truly into this trap and the sad thing is you can't see it.

Just to prove that you are not giving the full picture I suggest you read about the early history of the Jewish state. Not only did the first settlers PAY the Palistianians for the land they moved into, but most of them were non-religious Jews and the creed of the early Jewish state was "we must turn Jews from being a nation of merchants and shopkeepers into a nation of FARMERS and TRADESMEN" - does this tie in with the quotes from the Talmud you posted? No it most certainly does not.

The nation of Israel was founded as a well meaning country with mainly noble ideals. It was not until the French and British imperialists looking after their interest in Suez armed and empowered the more militaristic aspects of the Jewish state that the problems we have today arose.

You need to learn you history.

Attack the messenger and BTW I don't follow the Bible or Christianity or any religion I am not religious. (I'll put this in my signature because people ignore these facts even though I've had to explain it hundreds of times before) Icke and many others have been labeled anti-semite, for telling the truth... so your accusations don't add up. You'd do well working for the ADL.

A true semite isn't even a Jew, it's the Arabic people like the Palestinians and we all know what the Israeli's do to these people.

The Israel lobby and the Zionists pushed and promote the lies about the Iraquis/Muslims and use the American tax payers money to fund their wars on the Iraqui people.

The oil companies are linked to Israel and Zionist interests, not only do they profit from this but they profit from War (Rothschild and associated Zionist Bankers)

Besides can we stay on topic for once.
__________________

[eternal_spirit]

Talmud and Zionism have much in common.

[eternal_spirit]

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Freemasonry has long praised the Cabala, and its top officials have admitted that the Lodge’s rituals and teachings are but the offspring of the Jewish tradition. Albert Pike, former Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite, wrote: "One is filled with admiration, on penetrating into the Sanctuary of the Cabala."
In 1855, the renowned Rabbi Isaac Wise wrote: "Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end."
The Jewish Tribune newspaper, in 1927, in an editorial, stated: "Freemasonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic ritual and what is left?"

Does all this sound like the religion of the ruling Elite. I've heard when A Mason reaches a certain Degree it's known to some secretly as the Jewish degree.

[stelios]

The Christian Old Testament and even NT, is about on par as far as racism goes. Jesus did refer to a gentile as a dog among his Children, and he commissioned his apostles to go first unto the house of Israel (not that I believe in this fictional character).



Christianity is a denomination of Judaism and they generally don't want their racism known either.

Well i most certainly disagree with your statement.
Could you provide a quote to back up your views.

PS: be careful not to tar real True Torah Jews with the same brush as the talmudic masonic kabbalists.

[madthumbs]

Talmud and Zionism have much in common.

So does the Bible! In fact there are far more Christian Zionists than Non Christ accepting Jewish Zionists.

Christian=Jew, Jew=Christian: There is NO JEWISH RACE.

[madthumbs]

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews[/CENTER]
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Racist Rules for Slavery in the Torah:
Leviticus 25:44-46 44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. 45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. 46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status [/B][/CENTER]
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Paralleled in the Torah:
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD.

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

The Torah is full of land grabbing, genocide, enslavement. The Torah not only parallels this, but it shows that their supposed God commanded it.

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

Again paralleled in the Torah / Bible. The so called promised land was taken by force, and is today being taken by force.

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

Exodus 20:16
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

[eternal_spirit]

The Torah is full of land grabbing, genocide, enslavement. The Torah not only parallels this, but it shows that their supposed God commanded it.

I'd rather stick to the Talmud but seeing as though you've brought it up. Some say Yaweh is Lucifer is Satan all the same thing. Would make sense.

[eternal_spirit]

17: Were there no Jews in the world before the coming of Jacob's sons to Egypt?
Answer — There have always been the same elements among all populations of the earth that we identify today as Judaists. The very ancient Egyptian and Sumerian chronicles refer to them as the People of Set, or "Spirit of Disorder in Governments." No matter what conditions they found politically or socially in the lands wherein they were received, they always wanted them changed, to conform to their own eccentric notions. The Egyptians seem to have referred to them as the "Set-un" Set being the god of Darkness and Destruction, and ''un'' being the suffix meaning "people." We derive our modern word Satan from this source. When Joseph escaped from his brethren, and went down into Egypt to work himself into the good graces of Pharaoh, and his brothers later followed him and "multiplied," this racial element was designated strictly among Pharaoh's subjects as the Tribe of the Habiru. From the term "Habiru" the term "Hebrew" comes down to us. But Jews as we know them today were not so called till after the "conquering" or "overrunning" of Canaan and its capital city of Jerusalem, and the allotting of the land whereon it stood to the Tribe of Judah. The word Jew is a sort of slang contraction of Judaist or member of the specific Tribe of Judah, only we spell it J-e-w instead of the terser J-u.

William.Dudley.Pelley

[eternal_spirit]

Biblical History and our Point of Power
Why the Japanese broadcast "Tora, Tora, Tora" (Torah?) when attacking Pearl Harbor. The Old Testament was written around 200-300 BC by 72 priests in Egypt who wrote it in Greek (not Hebrew) for the Jews who spoke Aramaic. The Kabala existed in ancient Egypt although added to after the 1500's. The Talmud was based on the Babylonian Talmud, updated and carried out of Babylon by the Pharisees and the Sadducees and it was then that Judaism began. Origin and symbolism of the Caduceus (western medical symbol). Tyrannical occupation of Egypt for 200 years or so by the Hyksos (Shepherd Kings) and the Habiru (mercenaries) who were a conglomeration of nomadic peoples from the northeast.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=313989&postcount=40

[thirdwave]

These articles are just diversions from the fact that the Bible teaches Judaism and most of it's sickness's to the gentiles which includes instructions on raping conquered women, managing slaves, mutilating infant genitals, killing witches, homosexuals, and adulterers, etc.

Yep.... that's what gets me... when one tries to glorify one religion and put another down, they are simply being a product of what religions were created for... the Jewish religion was the first trick... when that became suspicious Christianity was created.... and now that is suspicious another will come... and so on...

its not exactly a shocker that the Talmud is full of shit.. as is the Bible and the Koran..

[thirdwave]

I have stood up for some Christians on here, because of the amount of bullying they received from others.

no shit.

But if they have decided to come to a David Icke forum to preach Christianity they should be able to take care of them selves I think.

[eternal_spirit]

The Old Testament was written around 200-300 BC by 72 priests in Egypt who wrote it in Greek (not Hebrew) for the Jews who spoke Aramaic

If the Greeks had Gods such as Pan Lucifer Baphomet-Paganism

sinogogue of Satan

our High Priest,
Rev. Michael S. Margolin
The Mad Poet Acbhb
Frater Inferior
Baphomet Rex 666

http://www.sosatan.org/rex.jpg (http://www.sosatan.org/rex.jpg)

“The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is not a black God, but the negation of God. The Devil is the personification of Atheism or Idolatry. For the Initiates, this is not a person, but a force, created for good, but which may serve for evil. It is the instrument of Liberty or free will. They represent this Force, which presides over the physical generation, under the mythologic and horned form of the God Pan; thence the he-goat of the Sabbat, brother of the Ancient Serpent, and the light bearer or Phosphor, of which the poets have made the false Lucifer of the legend.”
- Albert Pike “Morals and Dogma“ Ancient and Accepted Rite of Free Masonry written and published in 1875.

Satan being Lucifer on Earth, with his dominion of Fallen Angels who became the Demons of Demonology of the Kabbalah.



Andrew Carrington Hitchcock

This is not about satanic rituals like the title may seem to suggest, but about Zionsim and the people who rule over the World

The Synagogue of Satan 740-1818.
Read it here (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/index.php?dir=Andrew.Carrington.Hitchcock%2FSynago gue.of.Satan) or listen to the interviews with Andy here (http://www.iamthewitness.com/audio/Andrew.Carrington.Hitchcock/index.php).
Andrew Carrington Hitchcock

Andy Hitchcock is the author of The Synagogue of Satan (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Andrew.Carrington.Hitchcock/Synagogue.of.Satan/index.htm). This book is a follow up on his timeline of the Rothschild family (http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm).

[eternal_spirit]

So does the Bible! In fact there are far more Christian Zionists than Non Christ accepting Jewish Zionists.

Christian=Jew, Jew=Christian: There is NO JEWISH RACE.

Many of the so called Christians who are Zionists in powerfull positions are Crypto Jews and both or one of their parents turn out to have been of the Jewish faith, or Ashkenazi Jews who's anscetors are not from Jerusalem-Example Hillary Clinton, John Kerry.... even Bush's family had a Solomon Bush, which can't really be proved as a link to Judasim but it's possible...some change their faith from Judaism to Christianity to blend in and hide their real faith and allegiances... same game plan in every country throughout history.

But we know the Israelis/Zionists have much control over the USA Government.

So, why does the Talmud (like their Satanic buddies) preach hatred against Christians and Christ.....

Maybe they see themselves as Elites and the lower level/classes are the sheeple

[eternal_spirit]

In this New World Order the children of Israel will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition. The Governments of the different peoples forming the world republic will fall without difficulty into the hands of the Jews. It will then be possible for the Jewish rulers to abolish private property and everywhere to make use of the resources of the state. Thus will the promise of the Talmud be fulfilled, in which is said that when the Messianic time is come, the Jews will have all the property of the whole world in their hands."

— Baruch Levy, Letter to Karl Marx, 'La Revue de Paris', p.574, June 1, 1928

[eternal_spirit]

"The Talmud declares that there are two kinds of blood pleasing to the lord, viz: (1) that of Paschal holocaust [Easter sacrifice & the Feast of Purim]; (2) that of circumcision."

[eternal_spirit]

Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."

— Menachem Begin - Israeli Prime Minister 1977–1983

And
HOFFMAN'S NOTE: The newspaper editor, Mr. Volin-Danilov, was apparently
alluding to the teaching of one of the supreme gedolim of Judaism, Rabbi
Shimon (Simon) ben Yohai: "Even the best of the gentiles should all be
killed."

[seanx]

ES wrote:

Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."

— Menachem Begin - Israeli Prime Minister 1977–1983

Yes, he is mad. Deluded.

A mad deluded jew.

Yet he is no different than the Catholics.

Read your cathecism which you were taught at school.

Waht was the fist thing you learnt ( and had to REPEAT every day) that
the Catholic church was the ONE TRUE and ONLY true church.

Inother words, they are the Master church.


JUST delued people.

With deluded mind systems.

Don't blame them or hate them whether they are catholic or jews.

It's not the Catholocs or the Jews who are to blame.

But the deluded mind programs that were IMPRINTED,
EMBEDDED into them from their FIRST breath.

[eternal_spirit]

The Knights Templars-Their sacred books are in an Aramaic
dialect, which has close affinities with that of the Talmud of
Babylon.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=460868&postcount=198

[thirdwave]

ES wrote:



Yes, he is mad. Deluded.

A mad deluded jew.

Yet he is no different than the Catholics.

Read your cathecism which you were taught at school.

Waht was the fist thing you learnt ( and had to REPEAT every day) that
the Catholic church was the ONE TRUE and ONLY true church.

Inother words, they are the Master church.


JUST delued people.

With deluded mind systems.

Don't blame them or hate them whether they are catholic or jews.

It's not the Catholocs or the Jews who are to blame.

But the deluded mind programs that were IMPRINTED,
EMBEDDED into them from their FIRST breath.


And the people who take the bait and help create the divide by trying to make one side more righteous than the other, when clearly they are all corrupted nowledge that are now nothing more than fairy tails that the vast magority of its followers missunderstand.

[seanx]

TW wrote:

And the people who take the bait and help create the divide by trying to make one side more righteous than the other, when clearly they are all corrupted nowledge that are now nothing more than fairy tails that the vast magority of its followers missunderstand.

Absolutely

[octopusrex]

Y'know..

When Jews, Arians, Samoans and Mexicans start just thinking in terms of being "human"...

[eternal_spirit]

"They are the so-called neo-cons, or neo-conservatives. A compact group, almost all of whose members are Jewish. They hold the key positions in the Bush administration, as well as in the think-tanks that play an important role in formulating American policy and the ed-op pages of the influential newspapers....

Seemingly, all this is good for Israel. America controls the world, we control America. Never before have Jews exerted such an immense influence on the center of world power." Uri Avnery, "The Night After,"

Counterpunch, April 10, 2003

[awakensong]

I was just reading last night in "The Secret in the Bible" by Tony Bushby that we have the bible today because of the Great Pyramids and the Book of Thoth. So here we are again, back to the Anunnaki who want us to worship them as our gods.

[stelios]

But dont forget the Bible and the Koran supercede what has gone before.
Yes there is a chronolgy.
Remember Torah says "eye for an eye" Bible says "turn the other cheek"
Completely different meanings.

[awakensong]

But dont forget the Bible and the Koran supercede what has gone before.
Yes there is a chronolgy.
Remember Torah says "eye for an eye" Bible says "turn the other cheek"
Completely different meanings.
How do they supercede if they come 'out of' something else? The bible comes from ancient Babylon and Egypt and is co-opted from a totally different culture and era. It is a case of plagarism. Zecharia Sitchin also goes over this very well in his books.

Yes indeed, 'turn the other cheek' instead of an 'eye for an eye'. They want us totally defenseless now, just like doormats.

Added the following:

How is this for someone you want to call Lord? Does he turn the other cheek? Does he stay consistent in what he says? Didn't he tell his followers to bring his enemies before him so he could slay them?

"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son."
– John 5:22

"And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world." – John 9:39

"I judge no man." – John 8:15

"I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." – John 12.47

"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged." – Luke 6:37

[awakensong]

Editor faces prison term for criticizing the Talmud


From the Union of Councils of Jews of the Former Soviet Union:


Oddessa Newspaper Editor on Trial for Antisemitic Articles



The editor of an Odessa, Ukraine newspaper faces an August 14 trial for
inciting hatred against Jews, according to an August 13, 2008 report by
the web site Jewish.ru. Igor Volin-Danilov, editor of "Nashe Delo,"
faces a possible prison term for publishing an article entitled "Kill
the Best of the Goys" that, according to the prosecutor, "uses falsified
translations and interpretations of the Talmud" in order to present a
picture of Judaism as "criminal and amoral" that "insults the Jewish
people, its religion and traditions." The paper has published several
antisemitic articles in the past. (End quote from Union of Councils of
Jews of the Former Soviet Union).

HOFFMAN'S NOTE: The newspaper editor, Mr. Volin-Danilov, was apparently
alluding to the teaching of one of the supreme gedolim of Judaism, Rabbi
Shimon (Simon) ben Yohai: "Even the best of the gentiles should all be
killed."

The genocidal Rabbi Yohai is highly revered in Orthodox Judaism and has
a holiday dedicated to him on Judaism's religious calendar, Lag B'omer.
His Israeli grave is an international pilgrimage site for Orthodox
Judaics and Zionists. Legend has it that he is the father of the Zohar
(Kabbalah).

Arresting someone for stating that Yohai advocated the extermination of
the gentiles is like arresting someone for claiming Hitler wanted to
exterminate Judaic people.

The reputation of rabbinic extermination advocates is protected. They
are a special class with special immunities, enforced by show trials and
dungeons.

--Michael Hoffman
author of "Judaism Discovered"
(This book is banned by Amazon.com by rabbinic decree)


http://www.fsumonitor.com/stories/081408Ukraine.shtml

Michael A. Hoffman II: Editor. RevisionistHistory.org


You can say what you like about any other religon without the fear of being prosecuted

Yes, an interesting story. I want to stay updated on the outcome of this. All this man is doing is telling the truth as he sees it. They should have to prove him false.

[eternal_spirit]

Not sure what the dates are on that Awakensong.


Communism masquerades as a classless, stateless social/governmental form of rule based upon common ownership of the means of production. But the truth is that Communism is a plan to enslave the masses under the iron fist of the elitists. Its origin is right out of the Jewish Talmud, and virtually all the important leaders of the Bolshevik Communist Revolution were Jews, including Leon Trotsky, a Zionist Jew (real name Lev Davidovich Bronstein), who was recruited and funded by the Zionist Jewish bankers of Wall Street to play a critical role in the Russian Revolution. Karl Marx was a Jew. Vladimir Lenin (real name Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov) was a Jew, as were approximately 80% of all the leaders of the Bolshevik Revolution.
The Communist goals: the elitists will own everything, the middle class will be eliminated either by murdering them or confiscating all their property and possessions, thus allowing only two classes to remain - the elitists and the slaves!
Communism is NOT dead. It is alive and well and running this country, the United States.
Communism is defined by the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/com-man.html). ALL Ten Planks, except for a portion of one of them (abolition of private property – now well on its way to enforcement), have been installed in the U.S. Government. The United States, at this time in history, has a Communist government, whether you want to believe it or not

[kasalt]

Amazon Bans Hoffman's 'Judaism Discovered'

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/14946/32/

'Though the official publication date for Michael Hoffman's new book, Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition and Deceit is August 10, it has already encountered an almost unprecedented ban on it by "earth's largest bookstore," Amazon.com.
After Amazon pre-ordered eleven copies of the book, the author was notified on August 3 by David Zapolsky, Vice President and Associate General Counsel at Amazon.com, that Amazon "will not continue distributing the book." Though it may have been a coincidence, in roughly the same time frame, Google Inc. e-mailed Hoffman to inform him that his "On the Contrary" blog, hosted by Google since 2006, was set to be permanently deleted.'
Read more ...
(http://www.rense.com/general82/amz.htm)


I became so indignant when I read about this that I ordered Hoffman's book immediately, directly from his website. I just got it in the mail today. 1100 pages. Well worth the read, and well worth the price.
(http://www.rense.com/general82/amz.htm)

[awakensong]

Not sure what the dates are on that Awakensong.


Communism masquerades as a classless, stateless social/governmental form of rule based upon common ownership of the means of production. But the truth is that Communism is a plan to enslave the masses under the iron fist of the elitists. Its origin is right out of the Jewish Talmud, and virtually all the important leaders of the Bolshevik Communist Revolution were Jews, including Leon Trotsky, a Zionist Jew (real name Lev Davidovich Bronstein), who was recruited and funded by the Zionist Jewish bankers of Wall Street to play a critical role in the Russian Revolution. Karl Marx was a Jew. Vladimir Lenin (real name Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov) was a Jew, as were approximately 80% of all the leaders of the Bolshevik Revolution.
The Communist goals: the elitists will own everything, the middle class will be eliminated either by murdering them or confiscating all their property and possessions, thus allowing only two classes to remain - the elitists and the slaves!
Communism is NOT dead. It is alive and well and running this country, the United States.
Communism is defined by the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/com-man.html). ALL Ten Planks, except for a portion of one of them (abolition of private property – now well on its way to enforcement), have been installed in the U.S. Government. The United States, at this time in history, has a Communist government, whether you want to believe it or not
When they told us the official story that Communism was over, I never believed it, just like the official story of 9-11. Thanks for all this good info, it is very useful to us here.

[awakensong]

Amazon Bans Hoffman's 'Judaism Discovered'


http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/14946/32/

'Though the official publication date for Michael Hoffman's new book, Judaism Discovered: A Study of the Anti-Biblical Religion of Racism, Self-Worship, Superstition and Deceit is August 10, it has already encountered an almost unprecedented ban on it by "earth's largest bookstore," Amazon.com.

After Amazon pre-ordered eleven copies of the book, the author was notified on August 3 by David Zapolsky, Vice President and Associate General Counsel at Amazon.com, that Amazon "will not continue distributing the book." Though it may have been a coincidence, in roughly the same time frame, Google Inc. e-mailed Hoffman to inform him that his "On the Contrary" blog, hosted by Google since 2006, was set to be permanently deleted.'


Read more ... (http://www.rense.com/general82/amz.htm)

(http://www.rense.com/general82/amz.htm)


I became so indignant when I read about this that I ordered Hoffman's book immediately, directly from his website. I just got it in the mail today. 1100 pages. Well worth the read, and well worth the price.
(http://www.rense.com/general82/amz.htm)
Super! Thanks for the info!!!

[eternal_spirit]

Good post Kasalt.

Mucho info here link to Hoffman's site.


http://www.revisionisthistory.org/page1/news.html

here's a sample
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/page1/files/page1_5.jpeg"Christian" President Bush with Chabad-Lubavitch followers of the false messiah, Grand Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, signing a White House "Education Day" proclamation on April 15, dedicated to Schneerson. Rabbi Schneerson's Chabad-Lubavitch group teaches that Jesus deserved to be killed; gentiles are morally and racially inferior, and Palestinians, whom they call "Amalek," should be killed.
Nochum Rosenberg, opponent of rabbinic child molestation, is beaten by rabbis in London and is now under police protection (http://www.vosizneias.com/18474/2008/07/24/stamford-hill-london-%E2%80%93-williamsburg-controversial-activist-hackled-flees-to-get-police-protection/) "Inside the (Israeli) gay community itself, a rift is beginning to show. Goel Pinto, a gay journalist who was raised in the Orthodox religious community in Jerusalem and moved to Tel Aviv after having come out and abandoned religion, told of a sexual assault he was subjected to as a child by an ultra-Orthodox man in the local mikvah (ritual bathing establishment)." Homosexual predation against Judaic boys is common in Orthodox Judaism (particularly in the nude "purification" baths or mikvot), due to the Talmudic sanction for pederasty. Judaics who report the molestation or seek to combat it have the halachic status of moiser (informer) and are subject to physical assault and even death under the provisions of a rabbinic herem. For further details see Michael Hoffman's new book Judaism Discovered...From a witness inside Judaism: "I know several people in the Chabad (Lubavitch) community that take (what I consider to be) an extreme position on Mesira (reporting rabbinic child molesters to gentile police and prosecutors). They believe that a person should not serve as an informant, inform the police, or testify (in a goy court) against a Jew (any Jew) that commits just about any crime against Jews or non-Jews. The example from my discussion was a Jewish man that repeatedly rapes little children, without remorse as he knows that the members of the Chabad community would not report him." Chabad-Lubavitch members were with President Bush in the White House April 15 (see photo above). They enjoy high level protection from their crony, Michael Chertoff, Chief of Homeland Security, who is a long-time Chabad asset, along with "Shabbos Shomer" Attorney General Michael Mukasey.
(http://www.vosizneias.com/18474/2008/07/24/stamford-hill-london-%E2%80%93-williamsburg-controversial-activist-hackled-flees-to-get-police-protection/)

[eternal_spirit]

Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

[eternal_spirit]

The people who follow the religion of Judaism are called Jewish. Judaism is based on the principles and morals of Hebrew Bible (Tanakh), which is further elaborated in Talmud. There are nearly 13.2 million Jewish people all over the world out of which 41 percent belongs to Israel and 59% elsewhere. For more explicit information about Judaism you can follow Rabbinic Literature. There are six hundred thirteen commandments in the Torah as per rabbinic literature

[eternal_spirit]

The "Institute of American and Talmudic Law" (see below) was co-founded by Nathan Lewin, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia's close friend. Lewin is a member of the institute's faculty. Mr. Lewin is on record advocating the killing of the parents and siblings of Palestinian suicide bombers. Justice Scalia is a staunch supporter of the institute, which teaches American judges and lawyers how to apply rabbinic halacha to US courts.

Chief Justice of the New Jersey Supreme Court Lectures at Talmud Seminar (http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2008/07/new-jersey-supreme-court-justices-at.html)
(http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2008/07/new-jersey-supreme-court-justices-at.html)

[salamandras]

I've tried so many times over the years to expose people to the Talmud that it's not even funny - it takes quite a lot of sources proving zionists follow it to the letter to frighten people enough to pay attention. But it is worth the effort to see your family and friends open their eyes to it's existence.

[stelios]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_yApGEpmKk

Must be the only religion Talmudists that teaches/promotes/advocates-pedophilia and rape.

[stelios]

Once again though i must point out.
We are NOT talking about proper authentic Judaism.
This is the twisted version as practiced by the Khazars.
A mixture of witchcraft, sorcery, religious symbolism, etc.

[serpentoffire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_yApGEpmKk

This confirm what I think about Jews: Hebraism is the worse enemy of whole humanity.

[eternal_spirit]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[serpentoffire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7c0BQZK2gA&feature=related

Jews are God's choosen people and Jews's God is Lucifer (light bearer).
This is confirmed in freemasonry where their God is the Grand Architect of Universe aka Lucifer.
Freemasonry culture is mostly inherited from Hebraic culture.
This is the quadrature of circle :)

[madthumbs]

Jewish (and Christian) Ritual Circumcision (Genital Mutilation) (http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=2370)
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

- From the Torah, not the Talmud.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

[eternal_spirit]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[eternal_spirit]

The Ideological Background of the Illuminati

From Juri Lina's Under the Sign of the Scorpion, p. 22-28

"Jüri Lina was born in 1949 in occupied Estonia. He was banned from journalistic work in 1975 and then worked as a night watchman until he was forced to emigrate in 1979 after repeated conflicts with the political police, KGB."


In 1492, the Alumbrado (The Enlightened) movement was founded by Spanish Marranos (baptised Jews who secretly kept their Talmudic faith) and a similar organization was founded in France in 1623 - "Guerients" who changed their name to Illuminati in 1722. The Spanish authorities attempted to stop the Alumbrado movement as early as 1527 when Ignatius Loyola was temporarily arrested for his activities with the Illuminati.

Loyola (Inigo Lopez de Regalde), who was of Jewish blood, was born in the 1490s. In 1534, he founded his own order -- the Jesuits -- taking out a loan for the purpose. THe Pope acknowledge the Jesuit Order on the 5th of April 1540.

Benjamin Disraeli, author and prime minister of Great Britain in 1868, and 1874-1876, himself a Jew wrote in his book "Coningsby" (London, 1844) that the first Jesuits were Jews. In this new order, all members were under Loyola's surveillance. It was the Jewish Jesuit Cardinal Roberto Bellarmino (1542-1621) who ordered the philosopher Filippo Giordano Bruno burnt at the stake on the 17th of February 1600.

In 1771, 23 year old (Adam) Weishaupt met Kolmer, a Danish Kabbalist Jew who had just returned from Egypt. Kolmer initiated Weishaupt into the secrets of Osiris magic, the Cabbala and the ALumbrado movement. Nesta Webster assumed that he had been known in Italy as Altotas, Cagliostro's master. Kolmer's occult knowledge made a deep impression on Weishaupt, who later chose the Egyptian pyramid as the Illuminati's symbol of power...

One year earlier (1770) Weishaupt had been given a post as lecturer in canon law at the University of Ingolstadt. He later received his doctor's degree and in 1773, at the age of 25, became a professor at the same university...

It was no coincidence that the Order of the Illuminati was founded on the first of May. Among the Cabbalist Jews, this date, 15 (1.5) symbolized the sacred number of Yahweh and became their occult holiday. According to Goethe, the first of May -- the day following Walpurgis Night -- is when the dark mystical forces are celebrated.

At this time a young Jew named Mayer Amschel (born February 23, 1744) was being tutored to become a rabbi. Amschel lived with his parents in the Jewish ghetto of Frankfurt am Main. He later took the name Rothschild. It was Mayer Amschel Rothschild who convinced Weishaupt to wholly accept the Frankist Cabbalist doctrine and who afterwards financed the Illuminati. Rothschild had given Weishaupt the task of restablishin the old Alumbrado movement for the Cabbalist Jews.

Theoretical Cabbal embraces only secret teachings about God and nature. But practical Cabbala (such as Frankism) attempts to affect earthly matters. It involves the use of amulets and magic numbers as well as the conjuring of evil spirits. Both the Talmud and Midrash contain Cabbalist information. ("Ancient Oriental and Jewish Secret Doctrines, Leipzig, 1805.)

Jakob Frank (1726-1791) was the most frightening phenomenon in Jewish history, according to the Jewish professor Gershom Scholem. His actions were totally immoral. Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman shows in his book "To Eliminate the Opiate" (New York, 1974) that there was a clear connection between Frankism and Weishaupt's Illuminism. The goal of the Frankists was to work in secret to establish Jewish world supremacy. Professor Scholem has clearly documented that they achived extensive political power.

Jakob Frank (actually Leibowicz) was born in 1726, in Polish Galicia. He officially converted to Catholicism but this was just camouflage. Jakob Frank was jailed in 1760 for continuing to teach the Cabbala (Zohar) and for practising secret Jewish rituals. In 173, the Russians attacked the region of Poland where Frank was held prisoner. He was released and moved to Offenbach (near Frankfurt am Main) in Germany where he began to lead a luxurious and wild life. His deeds were evil, his personality nefarous. This information comes from Scholem's books "Cabbala" (New York and Scarborough, 1974) "Sabbatai Zevi" (New Jersey, 1973) and "The Messianic Idea in Judaism" (New York, 1971).

Jakob Frank summed up his doctrine in his book "The Words of the Lord". He asserted that the creator God was not the same as the one who had revealed himself to the Israelites. He believed God was evil. Frank proclaimed himself the true Messiah. He vowed to not tell the truth, rejected every moral law, and declared that the only way to a new society was through a total destruction of the present civilization. Murder, rape, incest and drinking of blood were perfectly acceptable actions and necessary rituals.

Frank was one of those refractory Jews who worshipped devils. The extremist Jews were particularly fond of a devil called Sammael. (C.M. Ekbohrn, "100000 frammande ord", Stockholm, 1936, p. 1173.)

Joseph Johann Adam Weishaupt was born on the 6th of February 1748 in Ingolstadt, by the Danube, in Bavaria, into an assimilated Jewish family. (Pouget de Saint Andres, "Le auteurs caches de la revolution francaise", p. 16). His father was a professor at the University of Ingolstadt. ("The Trail of the Serpent", Hawthorne, 1936, p. 68) He was educated in a Jesuit monastery and studied law, literature, and atheist philosophy. In 1773 the 25 year old Weishaupt left the Jesuit Order. This may have been bvecome he had developed his independent ideology, but the subsquent dissolution of the Jesuit Order in 173 by Pope Clemetn XIV may also have been a factor. The Jesuit Order in France, Spain, Portugal, Naples and Austria was dissolved. A few years later, Weishaupt's



"Perfektabilist" Order began to work against the Roman Catholic Church. In 1814, however, the Jesuit Order was reestablished and through new infiltrations became more powerful than ever before.

In 1775, Professor Weishaupt became a member of the lodge THeodor zum guten Rat within eclectic freemasonry. Later, Weishaupt was to use this foothold in Munich to allow his Illuminati to infiltrate all the other Masonic lodges, due to the fact that he wielded great influence over the ldoge through its Grand Master, Professor Franz Benedict (Xaver) von Baader, who had joined the Illuminati.

It was Baron Adolf von Knigge (born 16th October 1752 in Bredenbeck, die 6th May 1796 in Bremen), Adam Weishaupt's closest collaborator, who later helped him to gain entrance to different Masonic organizations. (Pat Brooks, "The Return of the Puritans", NOrth Carolina, 1976, p. 68-69.) In 1777, he received the highest degree of the Knights Templar (Knight of Cyprus) in Hanau. The 27-year-old Knigge joined the Illuminati in Frankfurt in 1780 under the alias of Philo (the original Philo was a Jewish scholar.)

The Illuminati began to work especially actively after the entrance of Adolf von Knigge in July 1779. Baron von Knigge also wrote the book "Concerning Association with People". He brought together many powerful men.

It was largely thanks to Philo that the organization spread through the whole of Germany. Both financial and sexual favors were used to gain control of people in high places.

In time, the Illuminati won control of every Masonic order in the world. Important financiers joined the organization: Speyer, Schuster, Stern and others. The Jews had therefore gained a very powerful position. Their base of operations was Frankfurt am Main.

The Jesuits had taught Weishaupt much, not least their doubtful morals. He encouraged his closest collaborators to use the lie as a tool and to avoid giving the public any true explanations. The leaders of the Illuminati saw to it that their most dangerous opponents and others who might be a threat to the Order were poisoned. (Gerald B. Winrod, "Adam Weishaupt - A Human Devil.")

Weishaupt got his wife's sister pregnant and, not being able to pay 50 marks for an illegal operation, he unsuccessfully tried to bring about an abortion by the use of drugs. A boy was born on the 30th of January 1784. Later, Weishaupt suddenly became rich...

In 1777, the Illuminati began to cooperate with all the Masonic lodges (especially the Grand Orient) in order to infiltrate them. The Duke of Brunswick, Grand Master of Germany, said in 1794 that the Masonic lodges were controlled by the Illuminati. When Weishaupt became a member of the Grand Orient, the lodge was backed financially by Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1743-1812), according to the British historian Nesta Webster.

Bernard Lazar, a well-known Jewish author, wrote in his "L'Antisemitisme" in 1894, that exclusively Cabbalist Jews surrounded Weishaupt. Confiscated documents show that of 39 Illuminati holding lesser leading positions, 17 were Jews (i.e., 40%.) The higher one looked in the ranks, the larger was the percentage of Jews. Even the fact that the Illuminati headquarters in Ingolstadt were later converted into a synagogue was symbolic of this conspiracy. Lazar stated that all these Jews became the agents of revolution because they had "revolutionary souls."

There were four especially important Jews in the Illuminati leadership. Hartwig (Napthali Herz) Wessely, MOses Mendelssohn, the banker Dnaiel von Itzig (1723-1799) and the businessman David Friedlander (La Vielle France, 31st of March, 1921.)

All of the initiated had taken a voew to "eternal silence and undeviating loyalty and total submission to the Order." Each member had to promise "I pledge to count what is best for the Order as my own best. I am ready to serve it with my personal fortune, my honour and my blood... the friends and enemies of the Order shall also become my friends and enemies..."

Lastly, each new member was warned: "If you are a traitor and a perjurer, then know that the brothers shall take up arms against you. Do not hope to flee or to find a place to hide. Wheerever you are, shame, contempt and the wrath of the brothers shall pursue and torment you to your innermost entrails."

Most members were led to believe that the lower degrees of mystery they had reached were the highest. Few members had been informed about the true purpose of the Order.

The Illuminati's codex was presented in Masonic terms and prescribed lies, treachery, violence, torture and murder in order to reach all its goals. Many members believed themselves to be working for an improvement of the world. They never guessed that Weishaupt's true purpose was to establish Novus Ordo Seclorum, a global program for world domination.

The Protestant princes and rulers in Germany were well disposed to Weishaupt's official plan to destroy the Catholic Church and they sought membership in his Order. Through these men Weishaupt gained control over the Masonic Orders, into which hhe and his other Jewish cronies were initiated in 1777. To prevent the rulers from understanding the true aims of the Illuminati, he forestalled their contact with the higher degrees.

During the year following its founding, the Order was spread exclusively through southern Bavaria. Later, it gained a foothold also in Frankfurt am Main, Eichstadt and other cities, according to "Vagledning for frimurare" / "Guidance for Freemasons", Stockhgolm, 1906, p. 166.

Officially the Illuminati were supposed to spread virtue and wisdom, which was to subdue evil and stupidity. They wanted to make great discoveries in all branches of science. The Illuminati were to be cultivated into noble, eminent people, according to "Guidance for Freemasons."

...Adam Weishaupt began to work especially closely with the Jewish Masonic leader Moses Mendelssohn (1729-1786). Mendelssohn became, so to speak, Weishaupt's invisible guide. Moses Mendelssoh was officialy known by the Jews as a poor writer who became one of Germany's foremost philosophers during the "age of enlightenment". He called himself a philosopher and a cultural personality. Officially, Mendelssohn's aim was to "modernize" Judaism so that the public might accept the Jews when they ostensibly gave up Talmudism and "assimilated" to Western culture. The Illuminatus Mirabeau wrote a book in 1787 about Moses Mendelssohn's political "reforms" to spread even more fantastical myths about him. In secret, however, Mendelssohn encouraged the Jews to faithfully keep their beliefs of their fathers. He led the Illuminati in Berlin.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.rondart.com/The%20Essential%20Talmud.jpg

Look carefully at the flowery pattern, if you don't see it look again.

Looks like it says Satan IMO.

[kasalt]

Here are some helpful healing hints I found in the Talmud. If you decide to try any of them out, please let the rest of us know if they work for you...

Source: Gittin69a, http://www.come-and-hear.com/gittin/gittin_69.html

"For night blindness he should take a string made of white hair and with it tie one of his own legs to the leg of a dog, and children should rattle potsherds behind him saying 'Old dog, stupid cock'. He should also take seven pieces of raw meat from seven houses and put them on the doorpost and [let the dog] eat them on the ashpit of the town. After that he should untie the string and they should say, 'Blindness of A, son of the woman B, leave A, son of the woman B,' and they should blow into the dog's eye."

"To make the flesh close he...can also take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it loosens the limbs."

"For stone in the bladder...he can take the ear of a bottle and hang it on the membrum of a man or on the breasts of a woman. Or again he can take a purple thread which has been spun by a woman of ill repute or the daughter of a woman of ill repute and hang it on the membrum of a man or the breasts of a woman."

[eternal_spirit]

Jackie: I was trying to do a search I found something interesting. The first five books of the Old Testament being the Torah, I wound up in this Jewish website and I think it's called Judaism 101 or something of frequently asked questions, what does tora mean? They said, listen folks, it can have several meanings.



The Torah can mean the first five books of the Old Testament, which they call the Book of Moses, or it can be all of that writing in what Christians call the Old Testament, or it can be the first five books of that Old Testament which is their Torah and all of the subsequent writings that make up the entire Talmud.



So for Christians who want to put so much emphasis and attention on that Old Testament, Alan, like it's the world of God.



You know what I mean? I thought that was quite fascinating and I'll tell you what else they said. They said for the Jews there is no Old Testament, yet they say the reason they're taking all that land in Israel is because it is their biblical mandate. They didn't say Talmudic mandate. They said it’s their biblical mandate. So they claim the Bible when it serves them, don't they?

Alan: That's what most legalists do. Anything to do with legalism or law is just a matter of picking and choosing what parts you want to use for that particular purpose. That's what law is all about.



When you look at the supposed history of how the Old Testament was written, and you've got to remember 2,000 years ago, the Old Testament that they were given was written in Greek. It wasn't in Hebrew. It was written in Greece by a bunch of priests who supposedly were in Egypt around 200, 300 BC. This is the story, 72 priests who happened to be in Egypt wrote it in Greek for the Jews who spoke Aramaic.

Jackie: They were in Egypt translating it into Greek for the Jews who spoke Aramaic.

Alan: That's correct. That makes a lot of sense, right? It was a compilation of esoteric stories really, not the exoteric ones, of the mystery religion that had been in existence for a long, long time before that.


I mean Moses is just another form of Hermes, basically. Hermes is the truly enlightened figure and so the illumined one can go up the mountain, while the rest of the people, who are the mob, are in the dark, they must stay below.


Going up the mountain is symbolic of the illumined one. Moses is just the Egyptian word for child and it's just dropped the Ra, the child of Ra, Ra-moses.

Jackie: Son of?

Alan: Yes, child of Ra. It's all esoteric high masonry basically.

Jackie: Let me hear your take on the "Ten Commandments?" He went up the mountain and he became enlightened and he came down with the Ten Commandments on these two huge, what do you call them, stones? Then he got ticked off and broke them and had to go get another set.

Alan: Well, he broke the law.

Jackie: He broke the law.

Alan: He was the first guy to break the law.

Jackie: So that story is an esoteric?

Alan: Yes, it's all esoteric.

Jackie: Do you think Moses really existed?

Alan: No. As I say, it's the same in all the ancient mystic religions. There's always a Moses or a Hermes type figure and Hermes is always related to the god Soth or Thoth in Egypt who was also the one who gave law in writing to the people. Moses is a combination of Hermes and Soth.

Jackie: Did you say that the esoteric message in there, does that have anything to do with the Kabbalah, the ancient mysteries?

Alan: Even though the Kabbalah has been added to, especially around the 1500's onwards, it definitely – even Wallace Budge who translated lots of the old Egyptian for the London Museum, he claims that he found much of the Kabbalah already existed in ancient Egypt.


It's not a modern thing at all, although it has been added to since the 1500's and it's the same with the Talmud. The Talmud was a Babylonian religion which was taken over, or at least a bunch of people came out of Babylon with an updated religion that was based on the Babylon Talmud. That's when Judaism began.

Jackie: Did the Pharisees not exist yet?

Alan: No. Supposedly, according to the mythology, they were taken into captivity from Israel into Babylon where they were there for a couple of hundred years. When they went in they had Levi, the priests, and a set of rituals and so on, basically the Books of Moses or at least the oral tradition of Moses. When they came out they had Talmud, which is now the main book, and they had the Pharisaical priesthood and the Sadducees, which again, as in all these mystic religions, has double meanings.



The Sadducees who were the supposed nobility of the supposed Jews and I've no doubt they were the nobility of Babylon that came out there. Their symbol was the serpent and you'll find too in the Jewish traditions of Moses the brazen serpent that he had made to go in front of him with the wings and a serpent on the staff was put into a sacred grove and it was worshiped there basically for a couple of hundred years.



The Sadducees, again, have this serpent symbol and remember, too, it's really a Latin term. We're reading a Latinized name here, Sadducees, and if you take the S and put it back into a C, you have the Caduceus.

Jackie: Caduceus, and that was their staff right?

Alan: The serpent again, so it's all games and tricks you see and the blind cannot see. That's the whole idea. Those who have no eyes don't see what's right in front of them. They play these games with us all the time.



Pharisees is also a play on pharaoh, you see, and Pharis- and Paris is actually the eagle, so that's the royal eagle, basically.

Jackie: The eagle for whom, the royalty?

Alan: Yes, the ancient mystery religion which ran Babylon, Egypt and all the old worlds.

Jackie: Would you pronounce that and you said the Sadducees and then you put a C in it and how did you pronounce that?

Alan: Caduceus. That's the same symbol you'll see on every ambulance with the serpent round the staff.

Jackie: It's the symbol of the doctors? American Medical Association et cetera?

Alan: Yes and if you take the two – generally it's two intertwined serpents, you'll have the figure 8, which is "as above, so below," the two circles, and it's also the double helix of the gene.



All of this stuff is highly symbolic and we take it for granted simply because we grew up and seen them everywhere. We never question their origins or what they really mean. If you look at the Greek occupation prior to the Roman occupation of that whole area—we can call it the supposed Holy Land—on the Greek maps there is no Israel.

Jackie: Oh, I was going to ask you that when you mentioned that they were taken out of Israel into Babylon. Israel didn’t exist at that time, did it?

Alan: There's no mention in the Persian, Egyptian or anybody else's histories of Israel. On the Greek's maps they had an entire area that was called Edomia for the Edomians. All we can really say is that the whole idea of an Israel began much later with a bunch of people coming out of Babylon.

Jackie: You were explaining the other night, Isis, Ra and El. IS-RA-EL and so if that's the trinity, would then that be a goddess trinity, being Isis, being the mother goddess?

Alan: It's more than just that. It's the sun, the moon together as the hermaphrodite because even in Judaic religions they have a whole tradition to do with god that is both male and female and again it pre-existed Judaism.



Plato also talks about it, that when the god turned one way he was woman and when he turned the other he was man, so he's also hinting at the same esoteric deity that the aristocracy of ancient Greece worshiped. It's the same ancient doctrine.

Jackie: And they believe that the first man that was made was actually a hermaphrodite?

Alan: If you were to take it literally – if it was the Creator that made this particular man for the garden, the Eden story--

Jackie: Male and female created he them?

Alan: He said in the perfect image of himself he made man, you see. Now if he was male and female, then that's what they're hinting at, that Adam himself would be both, and then they took the female from Adam and he separated the two.

Jackie: Do you think they were doing some cloning?

Alan: If you go into the other histories that we're often taught to ignore, such as the histories of India, the Brahmans claim that the Brahmans of Northern India survived a catastrophe in the previous age. They said eventually the area where the Black Sea is was a huge valley which was used as an experimental laboratory where different types of humans were created and it all went sort of awry because they were mixing animals with humans and they started to eat each other, and so what they did was flood the whole valley and that became the Black Sea and that's in their histories.

Jackie: Then there's where the Khazars came from or at least there's where they landed?

Alan: You'll find too that that was also like a Miami for the holiday-makers of the nobility of ancient Greece they traveled to and then Rome as well. Always was.



Jackie: They went to Khazaria for their Roman holidays?

Alan: That's right, Khazaria by the sea. There's much, much older histories involved here and of course they think that the Troy itself was up that way somewhere, the original Troy, and there's no doubt they have found buildings by submarine. In the last few years they've found buildings one hundred feet or more beneath the surface of the Black Sea and they don't know how far down these buildings go. They're submerged.

Jackie: Isn't it a possibility that that all got covered up in that big deluge, that big conflagration that Immanuel Velikovsky wrote of?

Alan: I think this one was more deliberate.

Jackie: Do they have a timeline as to when it became a sea rather than a city?

Alan: Velikovsky's explanation would be around 1300 BC and this was prior to that. As I say, the Old Testament in Masonic parlance basically gives the rules of the game of this system in which we live.

Jackie: The rules of the game. Big game, right Alan? It's a real game.

Alan: It's the system. It's a system again based on money, wealth, debt, slavery and so on. It gives all of the rules. It's interesting to note as well that the Pharisees were the black-robed priests when they emerged from Babylon.

Jackie: Like the judges today?

Alan: The judges are exactly the same and of course that represents Saturn in the old mystery religion and Saturn was the father of the god; and they're not real gods. They're representatives of parts of the system. That's what Jupiter and so on all mean.

Jackie: Was it Zeus whose father was Saturn?

Alan: Saturn in Greek was Kronos (Κρόνος, Cronos, Chronos, etc.), so you go between the Greek and Roman. They have different names for the same thing.

Jackie: Zeus became Zeus-Pater or god the father and that's where Jupiter came from? The Greeks had Zeus-Pater. The Romans had Jupiter or Jove, which is Jehovah?

Alan: Yehovah, so it's the same thing.

Jackie: I remember that you had mentioned too that the story of Moses birth and being put into the brushes, hidden et cetera was an exact take off of the story of Sargon the Elder of was it Babylon?

Alan: That's right. He had the same story behind him and of course, again, it's a play on words because Cone or Cohen was priest in the Old Testament. That's where King comes from eventually through different dialects, but Cohen was priest and Cain was priest and so when they talk about bulrushes and the canes it's all symbology of a priesthood. It's an esoteric story combined within it.

Jackie: And the Ten Commandments?

Alan: Again, I mean there were a lot more than ten, but according to modern Judaism they have the whole Mishnah, which is the oral tradition, which is supposedly is the secret tradition that Moses gave to his followers and that was meant only for – it's crazy because there were no Jews when supposedly Moses gave them this, there was only Hebrews.

Jackie: And the world Hebrew is the word Habiru?

Alan: Habiru is the term that came up by the Egyptians of an invading people who came in from the highland areas to the northeast and invaded and took over Egypt for a period. They were vicious mercenaries basically.

Jackie: The Habiru? And that was the Hebrew, right?

Alan: That's what historians today think they must be and they do know that some of them had Semitic names, not all of them, though, but the Habiru was a conglomeration of different peoples. It wasn't just one race of people and they were all nomadic initially, until they settled within Egypt, and they were the most tyrannical rulers Egypt ever had and there was a General eventually who started an uprising to kick them out.

Jackie: The Hyksos are mentioned that way. Is that one in the same people?

Alan: It's the same thing. The Hyksos refers to another term they went by, and that was shepherd kings.

Jackie: Okay. This is still the same Habiru?

Alan: Yes.

Jackie: So they weren't taken into Egypt and enslaved, that they actually went in to and enslaved Egyptians?

Alan: There were two forces that came into Egypt at the same time. One from the Mediterranean Sea and they were called the Boat People, and another bunch came by land driving their animals before them and with them. The Hyksos, they often say shepherd kings, but 'Hyks' really refers to cattle, that they drove cattle ahead of them, and Habiru was the mercenaries who backed them up, basically, armed forces.

Jackie: So the more things change, the more they stay the same because they were the mercenaries.

Alan: Yes and so they took over Egypt. They slaughtered thousands of the Egyptians and then the Habiru nobility made themselves pharaohs for a couple of hundred years until they were eventually kicked out again.



Jackie: And the story of the Exodus. Isn't it amazing how they took that worldwide conflagration and wove it into a story around these special chosen people of Jehovah?

Alan: It's more than that. Again, it's an esoteric story of a group coming out of Egypt, but the real story was to do with Akhenaten priesthood. He was the pharaoh who they claim was the first guy to say that all gods are one and Aton was the god.

Jackie: And he closed down all of the temples, didn't he?

Alan: All the Amons and so on.

Jackie: We're getting to take that break at the half hour.

Alan: I guess I'll just talk about the Peoples of the Sea and the Hyksos in the meantime and the Peoples of the Sea may have come from the Grecian Islands at the same time as the land invaders were coming across from the east.

Jackie: I'm listening again. Thank you, Alan. Is there more you wanted to say about this?

Alan: The esoteric part of the coming out of Egypt is to do with an entire Washington, D.C.-size bureaucracy, the priests who had their brand new city of Amarna destroyed, and they were forced out basically. They were an Egyptian priesthood and of course they were following Akhenaten, basically. That was the real esoteric story behind it, that all God is one, you see. They called themselves slaves to the god or servants. They were public servants. That's where the term comes from and so that's what all the high Masons know of the truth of the coming out of Egypt and what it's all about. It's their system that was to take over the world coming out of one country and moving elsewhere.



Alan: Yes, because they claim that the Great Work or this part of the Great Work came to these enlightened guys around 4,000 BC. That's what they claim and that's also part of Judaic or Talmudic law, that the Great Work was begun 4,000 BC.

Jackie: 6,000 years ago. The rabbis claim that they know the exact time and date that the world was created.

Alan: In a sense they do because it's the system they're talking about.

Jackie: Okay, their world.

Alan: It's the beginning of the system.


Alan: It's all coming out now, but they definitely existed and when you do check out the esoteric traditions of the elite of Jewry you'll find the same esoteric traditions with the ancient elite of Greece and Rome and of the present nobility of Europe and the States. It's the same ancient tradition and religion within them all, so there is one religion running the whole show here.

more here
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_on_Sweet_Liberty_Dec082004.html

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_on_Sweet_Liberty_Dec072004.html

[kasalt]

Once again though i must point out.
We are NOT talking about proper authentic Judaism.
This is the twisted version as practiced by the Khazars.
A mixture of witchcraft, sorcery, religious symbolism, etc.

I'm not so sure about that. The Talmud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is a central text of Rabbinic Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and was put into writing between the 2nd and the 6th century AD, but the Khazars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Conversion_to_Judaism_and_relations_with_w orld_Jewry) did not convert to Judaism until the 8th-9th centuries, well after the Talmud was written.

So, I think we are talking about proper authentic Judaism.

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.rondart.com/The%20Essential%20Talmud.jpg

Look carefully at the flowery pattern, if you don't see it look again.

Looks like it says Satan IMO.

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/5024/003001c8df8bcb35d49053ajn8.jpg

Zionism is the NWO.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5130/pyramidmasonxf7.gif

[oiram]

I don't know it's just a ping pong game the Jews the Christians the Muslims!

Everyone knows not all people out of one group are bad!
But lets say 10% of each group are nut-cases and coincidently all sit in the top positions because they have a sort of brotherhood! This will not be positive for the 90% they are controlling! "Right?"
Could we at least all agree on this :confused::confused:

But the fact is there are a lot of fanatic nut-cases from all groups running the show and sitting in this power positions! No matter what there reason are to act immoral!

This cancer should be removed from there power positions no matter Jew Christian ore Islam ...etc.

Wherever they got there fanatic tendency & education from is really irrelevant!

We just all have to stand together joining & calling all groups to send there representatives and demand that these people got to be removed from there positions and maybe get replaced as needed with people which have morals not just wealth status or monopolies! Which I believe has a lot to do with there immorality they practising against the public! There will be not one Politician in this group and yes also the Jewish people have to sent there representatives!
So if one group does not sent anyone you can start to place the rubber stamp on them all!

To me a corrupter is a corrupter a criminal is a criminal a rapist is a rapist a child molester is a ...etc

So let's get going and call all the people from all different groups and the ones which are not turning up for this special event will automatically proof there position in this system!!
"I'm right or not??

So if we need a total of 144,000 people in total joint from all groups should not be to hard to organize this with all the smart people we have on this earth!
This is what I call Judgment day!
Should the assholes sitting on the top don't like this judgment and they try to kill these 144,000 people there should be a backup of 5 billion people which I believe will be very helpful to preventing this from happening to kill 144,000 innocent people!

Does this make sense to you all?????? I witched I have the means & ability to organise this; please God give me the power!

Do I need a freaking PHD to work this out????

I really don't understand these freaking people on this earth why they would be scare to be one of these 144,000 but are not scare to have fucking Bush or Putin dropping a freaking Atom bomb on your head!

Where are these Aliens to take me away from this fucked up planet; because I can not do this by my self!

[bendoon]

A word of caution here, not all Jews follow the Talmud, a lot reject Zionism. If we lump them all together we are no better than them (the zionists)

And remember the Talmud is a Satanic inversion of the Bible, the Bible says don't kill the Talmud says do, The Bible says don't steal, the Talmud says do, and so on.

As Oriam said its now time for the Good Christians, Jews and Muslims to unite against the common enemy the Anglo/Jewish Zionists. You can take it from me thats the only way we are going to get out of this mess because the Atheists haven't got a clue whats really happening.

[oiram]

A word of caution here, not all Jews follow the Talmud, a lot reject Zionism. If we lump them all together we are no better than them (the zionists)

And remember the Talmud is a Satanic inversion of the Bible, the Bible says don't kill the Talmud says do, The Bible says don't steal, the Talmud says do, and so on.

As Oriam said its now time for the Good Christians, Jews and Muslims to unite against the common enemy the Anglo/Jewish Zionists. You can take it from me thats the only way we are going to get out of this mess because the Atheists haven't got a clue whats really happening.
I can only presume you are testing me here?
Don't get me wrong I am very happy that you also can see that this is the only logic way! But please look at your post and analyze it; you just added another group to the system and isolated it from the lot!
Now analyze your own post again carefully and I say even if the group of Satan sends normal moral Humans I don't give a shit they have to join also in this group! Because they normal! You get my drift!
This is the entire problem you have to sent every group an invitation no exception!
Why do you say & think the Atheists don't have a clue what's happening I tell you this is an original & deserves 5 stars :confused::confused::confused::confused:
The point is to clean the world from immoral criminals not clean up any religious believes!
That's exactly the thing these immoral criminals use to keep us fighting each other :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[kasalt]

A word of caution here, not all Jews follow the Talmud, a lot reject Zionism. If we lump them all together we are no better than them (the zionists)

And remember the Talmud is a Satanic inversion of the Bible, the Bible says don't kill the Talmud says do, The Bible says don't steal, the Talmud says do, and so on.

I agree with the spirit of what you are trying to say; however, to quote Wikipedia's entry on Zionism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism#Opposition.2C_critics_and_evolution_of_Zio nism), "most Jewish groups are pro-Zionist", and unfortunately, the large majority of religious Jews accept the Talmud as authoritative.

As Oriam said its now time for the Good Christians, Jews and Muslims to unite against the common enemy the Anglo/Jewish Zionists. You can take it from me thats the only way we are going to get out of this mess...I'm with you on that one.

[kasalt]

A JEW MUST ALWAYS TRY TO DECEIVE CHRISTIANS
In Zohar (I, 160a) it says:
"Rabbi Jehuda said to him [Rabbi Cezkia]: 'He is to be praised who is able to free himself from the enemies of Israel, and the just are much to be praised who get free from them and fight against them. 'Rabbi Chezkia asked, 'How must we fight against them?' Rabbi Jehuda said, 'By wise counsel thou shalt war against them' (Proverbs, ch. 24, 6). By what kind of war? The kind of war that every son of man must fight against his enemies, which Jacob used against Esau - by deceit and trickery whenever possible. They must be fought against without ceasing, until proper order be restored. Thus it is with satisfaction that I say we should free ourselves from them and rule over them."(Source: http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter14.htm )

[oiram]

A JEW MUST ALWAYS TRY TO DECEIVE CHRISTIANS
In Zohar (I, 160a) it says:
"Rabbi Jehuda said to him [Rabbi Cezkia]: 'He is to be praised who is able to free himself from the enemies of Israel, and the just are much to be praised who get free from them and fight against them. 'Rabbi Chezkia asked, 'How must we fight against them?' Rabbi Jehuda said, 'By wise counsel thou shalt war against them' (Proverbs, ch. 24, 6). By what kind of war? The kind of war that every son of man must fight against his enemies, which Jacob used against Esau - by deceit and trickery whenever possible. They must be fought against without ceasing, until proper order be restored. Thus it is with satisfaction that I say we should free ourselves from them and rule over them."(Source: http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter14.htm )OK that's a good example! Now you take this text and pick any Jewish person from the road and ask him to read this text!
Then ones he finished and understood the contents of the text you ask him or her what do you think is this OK with you?
The answer will be no this is very bad and if anyone really behaves like this should be hung up by his balls!
So is the Jewish person bad or OK?
Then you take the Pope and ask him if this text and behaviour would be good ore not!
Then you take a Muslim and do the same exercises and so one!
Then you take a negative Muslim text and start the whole exercise again!

Then you ask everyone for his opinion if it is good to have wars and kill people for profit and so one!

Then you ask everyone for his opinion on corruption and the penalty it should deserve and around around it goes!

Then you do the same with Bush and if he gives you a two hour speech you tell him to stop talking because we understand his problem! :D:D

This world is like big kindergarden; how do people teach there children??

Not to hard I think to find out who has morals and who hasn't!

My last post and I leave you to it; too sort out the History I'm sure one day you all will arrive in the present!

[kasalt]

OK that's a good example! Now you take this text and pick any Jewish person from the road and ask him to read this text!
Then ones he finished and understood the contents of the text you ask him or her what do you think is this OK with you?
The answer will be no this is very bad and if anyone really behaves like this should be hung up by his balls!
So is the Jewish person bad or OK?

"The Jewish person" is "OK", I'd say. Victor Otrovsky is one such example. Otrovsky was a former Mossad agent, and according to him the official motto of the Mossad once was, "By way of deception, thou shalt do war." (This echoes the quote from the Zohar in my last post: "by deceit and trickery...we should...rule over them.") A brief review and excerpt of his book is available here:

http://freemasonrywatch.org/libya.html

The reviewer of the book writes that according to Otrovsky, "the Mossad - believe it or not - has just 30 to 35 case officers, or katsas, operating in the world at any one time. The main reason for this extraordinary low total, as you will read in this book, is that unlike other countries, Israel can tap the significant and loyal cadre of the worldwide Jewish community outside Israel. This is done through a unique system of sayanim, volunteer Jewish helpers."

[serpentoffire]

...The kind of war that every son of man must fight against his enemies, which Jacob used against Esau ...
As you see there is still a war between so called 'sons of man' and 'sons of gods', confirming that jews are the 'choosen people' by their God (Lucifer) and they have to fight what remain of 'son of gods' (Nephilim) on this earth.

[bendoon]

IWhy do you say & think the Atheists don't have a clue what's happening :[/B]

Because they have isolated themselves from spiritual understanding they do not understand what is happening, nothing sinister inferred about them. Only the people who know whats going on can sort it out, I wouldn't ask for an electrician to build me a garden wall I would ask a brick layer.

[eternal_spirit]

Can we stay on topic please. EDIT Some have claimed this pic is photoshoped, others claim it was originally posted on a Jewish site, so make what you will of these claims. Same could be said for many pics on the interent and even videos.

http://www.exposingsatanism.org/images/jewish/bush-with-talmud.jpghttp://www.exposingsatanism.org/images/jewish/talmud-of-bush.jpg

In this photo from a radical Jewish Lubavitcher web site, President Bush waves on the way to his Jewish Talmud class. He was accompanied by former White House spokesman and recently ordained Rabbi, Ari Fleischer. Sources confirm that the President is a Jewish religious fanatic but understands he must keep his beliefs under cover.


And Now, Yet Another Revelation

And now, dear friends, I have decided to reveal to you the name of yet another crypto-Jew. This time, the culprit is a man who is only the latest in a series of dynastic leaders, all of whom were and are Jews and all of whom have carefully and watchfully guarded this Great Secret. I hereby stamp myself—according to the reigning criteria or rules promulgated by the Illuminati elite—as a bonafide anti-Semite merely by once again calling a Jew a Jew. Fact: GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, is a Jew.

Absurd? Preposterous, you say? Well, I have carefully traced the history of the Bush Dynasty, including the Rothschild faction, and without hesitation I declare to you that, yes, indeed, George W. Bush is a Jew: A Jew by race, a Jew by religious choice. Hidden from public view.

What the media dare not tell you is that, as President, George W. Bush appointed as his first official White House spokesman, a Jew—in fact, a Jewish rabbi—Ari Fleischer. He retained a Jewish banker, Alan Greenspan, as Chairman of the Federal Reserve. He made a Jewish Rabbi, Dov Zackheim, the Comptroller (money man!) of the Pentagon, and he placed a Jewish ideologue and Christian hater, Michael Chertoff, in the scary position of being head of FEMA and Homeland Security. Yes, Chertoff, an ADL fiend whose father is a Jewish rabbi, is now America's Gulag Commandant, our American version of Himmler.

http://www.exposingsatanism.org/images/jewish/jewish-calendar.jpg

This publication of the National Jewish Welfare Board lists a Major George Bush, Major Louis Bush, and Major Solomon Bush, as Jews participating in the American Revolutionary War against the British. It also reveals the money connection of Rothschild agent, Haym Salomon, to what it describes as the "weak U.S. government."


My investigation of the Bush-Jewish connection has been in progress for six years now. One thing I discovered is that George W. Bush is a devoted student of the Jewish Talmud, just as were Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin. He is also, I am persuaded, a dedicated agent of Zionist Israel, which makes him double agent and traitor to the United States of America.

Bush has adopted the same techniques of torture, political deceit, perpetual war, and pure hatred of perceived enemies, as has the notorious Israeli spy agency, Mossad. The Mossad's motto is "By Way of Deception Make War." This, not coincidentally, is also George W. Bush's motto. How very Talmudic. How very Satanic.

"Christians Who Are Not Christians"
But, isn't Bush supposed to be a Christian? How, then can he be a religious Jew? Ah, perhaps those who ask this question should read books like Colonel Donn de Grand Pré's insightful Barbarians Inside the Gates: Book Three, the Rattler's Revenge. As my friend, the good Colonel de Grand Pré, notes so wisely in his excellently documented volume, we are confronted today by Leviathan, a two-headed monster, "one head comprised of Jews who are not Jews and the other, Christians who are not Christians."

http://www.exposingsatanism.org/images/jewish/kosher-kitchen.jpg

This official photo shows First Lady Laura Bush, December 6, 2005, "kosherizing" the White House kitchen. Present is the Bush family rabbi along with two other rabbis, approved Jewish chefs, and assistants. (whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005)


Which leads me back to Professor Boris Lunachev and our informative and rewarding meeting. As we departed, I again took his hand in mine and I asked him. "Dr. Lunachev, is there anything you'd like to say to me, perhaps to capitalize or to emphasize the importance of what we have discussed?"

"Yes," Lunachev answered, his probing brown eyes peering deep into mine. "I beg you to never forget, there are Americans and then there are Americans. And some who are American are not American."


"We are one nation. We are neither American Jews nor Soviet Jews, but only Jews!"


Texe Marrs

[oiram]

"eternal_spirit"
What happened to your images in the last Post they gone? Look here don't I wonder why? Aren't they Quick!
Just look in your Cache folder you should be able to recover them?
http://savana.websitewelcome.com/suspended.page/

Ahmadinejad
http://www.henrymakow.com/im_not_praying_at_putin_altar.html

here is the iranian president giving the masonic "thumb and finger" sign of recognition. Two fingers pointed upward is a negative sign.

One of david livingstone's iranian readers claims that ahmadinejad is a crypto-jew. He pointed david to a wikipedia article which notes that his family changed their name in the 50's from saborjhian, which he claims is a typical jewish name.

He continued: "i really hope this will be a way to expose the real danger we all are facing globally, iran, usa and russia hand-in-hand bringing the third world war."

"inside the political establishment of iran everybody is concerned about crypto-jews that have a strong grip on the most influential politicians just by having corrupted them all or they know about their dirty past. For example : Mohsen rezaei ex-commander of revolutionary guard said last summer: " ahmadinejad's mother is a jew, and from the establishment of islamic republic in 1979, the crypto-jews were in the highest position in decision making in the state." but he is silent now!"

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.thewolfweb.com/photos/00259576.jpg
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/atrios/magictie.jpg
Bush's Judaic Technicolor Talmudic Tie of obedient Noahidism
Below are some samples of all the halaboo, regarding the rainbow tie that George Bush wore on his stage play, Press conference on the "Purim Iraq", Obedient Goyim opposition, Tuesday
When I am finished showing you the yap-yapping of the lap dog press Yid-iots, I will then show you, How effectively Bush set up the next stage of the Coup, of the Talmudic Olam haba, that jew World Odor, of their coming false Messiah, Moshaich ben Perdition, by sorceries.


http://www.samliquidation.com/rainbowstew.htm

[eternal_spirit]

"eternal_spirit"
What happened to your images in the last Post they gone? Look here don't I wonder why? Aren't they Quick!
Just look in your Cache folder you should be able to recover them?
http://savana.websitewelcome.com/suspended.page/


the page is blocked

Found another site with it.
http://bp3.blogger.com/_AZ8MlllPcC0/R_klCQe_OVI/AAAAAAAAAF4/0SZTvDYmGdE/s320/bush_with_talmud.jpg
EDIT Some have claimed this pic is photoshoped, others claim it was originally posted on a Jewish site, they now claim it was a joke.... so make what you will of these claims. Same could be said for many pics on the internet and even videos. Regardless of the pic the info adds up about Talmudic Zionist influences on the USA Government.

[eternal_spirit]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[eternal_spirit]

demon/succubus Lilith


b. Erubin 18b

Rabbi Jeremia ben Eleazar said, "During those years (after their expulsion from the Garden), in which Adam, the first man, was separated from Eve, he became the father of ghouls and demons and lilin (http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/%7Ehumm/Topics/Lilith/notes.html#LILIN)." Rabbi Meir said, "Adam, the first man, being very pious and finding that he had caused death to come into the world, sat fasting for 130 years, and separated himself from his wife for 130 years, and wore fig vines for 130 years. His fathering of evil spirits, referred to here, came as a result of wet dreams. b. Erubin 100b

Lilith grows long hair. b. Nidda 24b

Lilith is a demoness with a human appearance except that she has wings. b. Shab. 151b

Rabbi Hanina said, "One may not sleep alone in a house, for Lilith takes hold of whoever sleeps alone in a house." b. Baba Bathra 73a-b

Rabba bar bar Hana said, "I once saw Hormin, a son of Lilith, running on the battlements of Mahoza.... When the demonic government heard of it, they killed him [for showing himself]." Talmud citations are informed by the translations of I. Epstein. (The Babylonian Talmud. London: Socino Press, 1978) and Raphael Patai, Patai81 (http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/%7Ehumm/Topics/Lilith/bib.html#PATAI81), pp. 184f.).

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=425624&postcount=31
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/%7Ehumm/Topics/Lilith/Images/giger03.jpg

http://lilith.nazirene.org/lilith2-m.jpg

http://www.kalilily.net/weblog/lilith%20in%20the%20darkness.jpg
lilith pics

http://www.eyeofhorus.biz/catalog/images/BH_Lilith.jpg

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=429943#post429943)
http://www.darksidecollective.org/images/scapegoat.gif
Church of Satan sigil of Baphomet or one like it but they do use the Baphomet sigil I think as their main symbol.

Anton La Vey is Jewish head of the Church of Satan and author of their Satanic Bible.

quote Crowley (possible Rothschild bloodline)"I was not content to believe in a personal devil and

serve him, in the ordinary sense of the word.

I wanted to get hold of him personally

and become his chief of staff."(who controlled who)

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5770/baphometpentagram1kb3.jpg
the word LILITH on this Baphomet sigil
And Lilith Aquino (formally Patricia Sinclair), is a famous Setian, and a former member of the Church of Satan
She founded the Lilith Grotto in New York City, the most numerically successful Grotto of the Church of Satan and appeared on numerous television and radio programs, even being interviewed by Time magazine.

During the 1975 division in the Church of Satan, Lilith (by this point a Priestess in the Church) departed from that organization and became a founding member of The Temple of Set along with her to future Michael Aquino, who is a paedophile and was Head of the psychological Warfare Department for the USA Military a high ranked position. This is about mind control, so it fits perfectly to what Satanic cults are all about.

Baron Mayer Amschel de Rothschild-

“Give me control of a nation’s currency, and I care not who makes its laws”.

Thomas Jefferson-

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies.
3 pyramids at Giza?

Note the top of the pyramid
Order of the Eastern Star Freemasonry http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:GObcYqci__adUM:http://oesnaomi10.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sister_in_the_desert.jpg
http://www.stitchalogo.com/Order_of_the_Eastern_Star.JPG

the Babylonian Talmud, with the Jews this was the beginning of Judaism.... if you know your Icke you should know about what he referred to as the Babylonian Brotherhood.

[eternal_spirit]

Gershom Scholem, provides this education on demons according to the Talmud and the transition of Talmudic demonology to the Zohar: "According to Talmudic tradition, demons are spirits made in the Friday evening twilight, who, because the Sabbath has intervened, have received no bodies. From this later authorities drew the inference (which is perhaps implicit in the Talmudic sources) that the demons have been looking for bodies ever since, and that this is why they attach themselves to men. This entered into a combination with another idea. After the murder of Abel by his brother, Adam decided to have no further dealings with his wife. Thereupon female demons, succubi, came to him and conceived by him; from this union, in which Adam's generative power was misused and misdirected, stem a variety of demons, who are called nig'e bn Adam, 'Spirits of harm that come from man.'1. …practices are systematized in the Zohar, which develops the myth that Lilith, Queen of the demons, or the demons of her retinue, do their best to provoke men to sexual acts without benefit of woman, their aim being to make themselves bodies from the lost seed." 13.


In his article on "Jewish Magic" M. Gaster states: "…These ideas [Talmud demonology] received a fresh impetus from the publication of the Zohar, which, a Jewish writer tells us, " from the 14th century held almost unbroken sway over the minds of the majority of the Jews. In it the Talmudic legends concerning the existence and activity of the shedhim (demons) are repeated and amplified, and a hierarchy of demons was established corresponding to the heavenly hierarchy… Manasseh [ben Israel]'s Nishmat Hayim is full of information concerning belief in demons ...1." 14.
Further reference to the Zohar teachings reveals that men and women have sex with demons during their sleep. "See the Zohar, treatise Bereschith, folio.54b, where it is said that all men are visited in their sleep "by female devils." These demons never appear under any other form but that of human beings, but they have no hair on their heads…In the same way as to men, male devils appear in dreams to women, with whom they have intercourse." 15.


The Talmud also gives directions on the manner of guarding against occult powers and the onslaught of disease. The tract Pesachim declares that he who stands naked before a candle is liable to be seized with epilepsy. The same tract also states that "a man should not go out alone on the night following the fourth day or on the night following the Sabbath, because an evil spirit, called Agrath, the daughter of Ma'hlath, together with one hundred and eighty thousand other evil spirits, go forth into the world and have the right to injure anyone they would chance to meet." 17.

[eternal_spirit]

Part B. The History of the Programmed Golem

from Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler's writings on mind control. Springmeier is in Prison (laws to falsely imprison him, this is the con they use when they fear being exposed )


KABBALISTIC BLACK MAGIC

A number of the Illuminati bloodlines (and sects) that are involved in trauma-based total mind-control are Askenazi hasidic bloodlines. Legends abound from the 15th century onward about how the Askenazi hasidic leaders created golem to serve them. These golem have been called benevolent robots . For those readers who are unaware of where the word golem came from, it is used once in the Word of God in Ps 139:16, Your eyes [God s eyes] saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they were written, the days fashioned for me. This is believed by the Kabballists to refer to Adam when he was only a body without a soul. Golem are believed to be soulless bodies. One can almost hear the rationalization in medieval times when torture, and black magic or a trance state ended up creating an alter personality that this magical part was viewed as soulless, because it was only created via magic. This personality (alter) didn t exist like real people, it was merely a golem in the magicians eyes--therefore it could be abused or used as a robot, because it was soulless.

Have the Illuminati programmers created new parts via psychologic torture techniques, have they created them with black magic or both? One thing is sure, if the golem s mind --that is that if parts of the victim subjected to trauma-based mind-control remember what occurred, then it will be associated with a Cabalistic black magic ritual. There are several other features of Cabalistic black magic that are important features of Illuminati programming.

Many things pertaining to the mind-control have slipped out into public view at one time or another but are not recognized as having anything to do with programming. The European Jew Joseph Achron wrote the musical Golem Suite (1932) for an orchestra. The first piece of music introduces the golem and the last piece of music is the exact reverse mirror image of the first piece and it represents the disintegration of the golem. In programming, the deeper alters may have a musical cord to call them up, and the reverse of that cord will disintegrate them back into the mind. The following excerpts are taken from Gershom Scholem s book Kabbalah. (NY: Keter Pub. House Jerusalem, 1974.) General summaries of Kabbalistic doctrine rarely referred to its practical side [which Scholem go on to explain is black magic dealing with demons and blood]... Of course not, the practical side of the Kabbala is occult--secret knowledge. It is the secrets of black magic. Various ideas and practices connected with the concept of the golem [mind-controlled slave] also took their place in practical Kabbalah through a combination of features drawn from the Sefer Yezirah and a number of magical traditions. (Kabbala, p. 183) The practical side of the Kabbala which was concerned with creating golem employed trances, magic and visualization. Scholem writes, In this circle the Sefer Yezirah was nearly always interpreted in the manner of Saadiah and Shabbetai Donnolo [who was into what is known as Satanism], with an added tendency to see the book as a guide for both mystics and adepts of magic. The study of the

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book was considered successful when the mystic attained the vision of the golem, which was connected with a specific ritual of a remarkable ecstatic [altered state] character. (ibid., p.40) Two other points should be made showing the connection between medieval ashkenzim black magic practices and the programming going on today. The medieval jewish magicians would use the secret Kabbalistic names of God in accordance with detailed sets of instructions to try and create a golem. The golem in turn would say the combination of hebrew letters in reverse order. This has been done in modern programming.

Further, the Seal of the Holy One in medieval times was written on the forehead of the golem. This is the word emet . At some point the word s first letter (an aleph) is erased and this leaves the word met which in Hebrew means dead . Such types of sealings have also been done in modern times with deeper parts of slaves.

Kabbalah and mind control
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20596

[eternal_spirit]

A Jewish Encyclopedia offered by Messengers of Messiah and promoted by Larry Rowland claims in its introduction to contain "the essential teachings of Judaism." However, the reader is informed that those teachings include The Apocrypha and the Kabbalah.

"…the introduction to the book "Encyclopedia of Jewish Concepts,"…You can read the intro. for yourself and make up your own minds. I would like to add, in its defense that some of the best known Jewish book sellers advertise it in their catalogues, i.e. Jonathan David Co., Menorah Publications, Source for Everything Jewish to name but a few. Jonathan David Co. writes: "Encyclopedic in scope, this work by one of the foremost contemporary scholars provides an interesting, lucid overview of the basic, universal concepts of Judaism. …" …NOTE: -: For those interested, it can be obtained at a better price from Messengers of Messiah Intl. Min; Pastor Peter A. Michas; P.O. Box 125; Troy, IL., 62294.)…" 47.

"INTRODUCTION: Encyclopedia of Jewish Concepts

The purpose of this book is to provide in a single handy volume the essential teachings of Judaism. It is written for those who want an up-to-date and easily intelligible account of basic Jewish concepts, a knowledge of which brings meaning to what may otherwise seem empty phrases …. Knowledge of Jewish values has reached an abysmally low point. It is of the utmost importance that the Jewish heritage be looked upon as a whole, not as a mere series of precepts and concepts linked together. Its study must not be the prerogative of specialists, but should be shared by the multitudes…"

"In all ages the rich literature of Judaism had a certain number of books of permanent value, which were a source of enjoyment to every class of Jews. There has not been a single period which did not make some permanent contribution to posterity. Each era deposited behind it a sort of layer. For thousands of years our people thought and felt and expressed itself in various styles and forms. The Bible, the Apocrypha, the Talmud, Philosophy, Kabbalah, Poetry, Ethics, Hasidism-each of these represents an entire era with its own atmosphere and character." 48.

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The Jewish Encyclopœdia, in an article on the Cabala, provides these observations.

"... The fact is that the main ideas of the Zohar find confirmation in the Talmud. As the Jewish Encyclopœdia observes, " the Cabala, is not really in opposition to the Talmud," and "many Talmudic Jews have supported and contributed to it.4" 49.

Adolphe Franck's fundamental study of Jewish Mysticism in La Kabbale,

"…does not hesitate to describe it as "the heart and life of Judaism…5" 50.

P. Vulliaud, in his work, La Kabbale Juive: histoire et doctrine, quotes Greenstone from The Messiah Idea, who states;

"The greater number of the most eminent rabbis of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries believed firmly in the sacredness of the Zohar and of the infallibility of it's teaching. 6." 51.

What exactly is the Kabbalah? Where did it come from, and why is The Zohar being sold door to door in places where it was once forbidden literature? Why is the Cabala now being presented to children in the United States through such programs as the Jr. Great Programs for gifted children grades 4-8. In their revised Jr. Great Books Program, beginning Sixth graders will be reading "The Mysteries of the Cabala" by Isaac Bashevis Singer. This book is promoted as acceptable because, as stated to an inquiring parent by a representative of the Junior Great Books program, "it is mysticism, not occultism." A follow-up phone call yielded little information:

"I talked with the same person, Tom Kershner (I'm guessing on the spelling). He remembered our previous conversation but didn't want to talk to me and quickly sent me on to a woman who is one of the Great Books editors. Her name is Ann Speltz (guessing on spelling). I asked why they chose the story called THE MYSTERIES OF THE CABALA by Isaac Bashevis Singer. She told me it matches their criteria. I asked what that was. She said she could send me a two page write-up on that. I asked her to tell me. She told me it is a story of very high literary quality. It was written by a Nobel Prize winner. It is discussible because the meaning is not obvious. The meaning is not explicit, therefore 'everybody pools what they notice about the story'. The better readers help the not so good readers to understand. I asked her if the fifth and sixth graders will be curious about the Cabala after they read this. She said they won't because they'll be interested in the character (the boy). I said the boy is interested in the Cabala so won't the readers be too? Then she said a mouthful. She told me they won't be interested because the Cabala is about Judaism -- and then she acted like she had said too much and quickly told me that someone had come in that she had to talk to and asked for my address to mail me the 2-page criteria." 52.

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The Truth About the Talmud

A Documented Exposé of Supremacist Rabbinic Hate Literature

By Warrant of John 18:37, Galatians 4:16
Copyright ©2000-2006 by Michael A. Hoffman II All Rights Reserved
Introduction

The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."
The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also be seen in the case of the black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians are very knowledgeable of the Old Testament. However, their religion is so ancient it pre-dates the Scribes' Talmud, of which the Ethiopians have no knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept. 29, 1992, p.4:
"The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further than the Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the basis of modern traditions never came their way."
Because they are not traffickers in Talmudic tradition, the black Ethiopian Jews are discriminated against and have been forbidden by the Zionists to perform marriages, funerals and other services in the Israeli state.
Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik is regarded as one of the most influential rabbis of the 20th century, the "unchallenged leader" of Orthodox Judaism and the top international authority on halakha (Jewish religious law). Soloveitchik was responsible for instructing and ordaining more than 2,000 rabbis, "an entire generation" of Jewish leadership.
N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of the rabbi's authority:
"Soloveitchik came from a long line of distinguished Talmudic scholars...Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost exclusively to the study of the Talmud...He came to Yeshiva University's Elchanan Theological Seminary where he remained the pre-eminent teacher in the Talmud...He held the title of Leib Merkin professor of Talmud...sitting with his feet crossed in front of a table bearing an open volume of the Talmud." (N.Y. Times, April 10, 1993, p. 38).
Nowhere does Goldman refer to Soloveitchik's knowledge of the Bible as the basis for being one of the leading authorities on Jewish law.
The rabbi's credentials are all predicated upon his mastery of the Talmud. Other studies are clearly secondary. Britain's Jewish Chronicle of March 26, 1993 states that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are "devoted to the Talmud to the exclusion of everything else."
The Talmud Nullifies the Bible
The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus' time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.
Shmuel Safrai in The Literature of the Sages Part One (p.164), points out that in chapters 4 and 5 of the Talmud's Gittin Tractate, the Talmud nullifies the Biblical teaching concerning money-lending: "Hillel decreed the prozbul for the betterment of the world. The prozbul is a legal fiction which allows debts to be collected after the Sabbatical year and it was Hillel's intention thereby to overcome the fear that money-lenders had of losing their money."
The famous warning of Jesus Christ about the tradition of men that voids Scripture (Mark 7:1-13), is in fact, a direct reference to the Talmud, or more specifically, the forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during Christ's lifetime, before being committed to writing. Mark chapter 7, from verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord's pointed condemnation of the Mishnah.
Unfortunately, due to the abysmal ignorance of our day, the widespread "Judeo-Christian" notion is that the Old Testament is the supreme book of Judaism. But this is not so. The Pharisees teach for doctrine the commandments of rabbis, not God.
The Talmudic commentary on the Bible is their supreme law, and not the Bible itself. That commentary does indeed, as Jesus said, void the laws of God, not uphold them. As students of the Talmud, we know this to be true.
Jewish scholar Hyam Maccoby, in Judaism on Trial, quotes Rabbi Yehiel ben Joseph: "Further, without the Talmud, we would not be able to understand passages in the Bible...God has handed this authority to the sages and tradition is a necessity as well as scripture. The Sages also made enactments of their own...anyone who does not study the Talmud cannot understand Scripture."
There is a tiny Jewish sect which makes considerable effort to eschew Talmud and adhere to the Old Testament alone. These are the Karaites, a group which, historically, has been most hated and severely persecuted by orthodox Jewish rabbinate.
To the Mishnah the rabbis later added the Gemara (rabbinical commentaries). Together these comprise the Talmud. There are two versions, the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud.
The Babylonian Talmud is regarded as the authoritative version: "The authority of the Babylonian Talmud is also greater than that of the Jerusalem Talmud. In cases of doubt the former is decisive." (R.C. Musaph-Andriesse, From Torah to Kabbalah: A Basic Introduction to the Writings of Judaism, p. 40).
This study is based on the Jewish-authorized Babylonian Talmud. We have published herein the authenticated sayings of the Jewish Talmud. Look them up for yourself.
We publish the following irrefutable documentation in the hope of liberating all people, including Jewish people, from the corrosive delusions and racism of this Talmudic hate literature, which is the manual of Orthodox and Hasidic Jews the world over.
The implementation by Jewish supremacists of Talmudic hate literature has caused untold suffering throughout history and now, in occupied Palestine, it is used as a justification for the mass murder of Palestinian civilians. The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.
Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmud

Where a Jew Should Do Evil
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Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Insults Against Blessed Mary
Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
Gloats over Christ Dying Young
A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."
Jesus in the Talmud:
Horrible Blasphemies Against Jesus Christ
While it is the standard disinformation practice of apologists for the Talmud to deny that it contains any scurrilous references to Jesus Christ, certain Orthodox Jewish organizations are more forthcoming and admit that the Talmud not only mentions Jesus but disparages him (as a sorcerer and a demented sex freak). These orthodox Jewish organizations make this admission perhaps out of the belief that Jewish supremacy is so well-established in the modern world that they need not concern themselves with adverse reactions.
For example, on the website of the Orthodox Jewish Hasidic Lubavitch group--one of the largest in the world--we find the following statement, complete with Talmudic citations:
"The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of 'Jesus the Nazarene':
1) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh, which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).
End quote from http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm (Lubavitch website (http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm)) June 20, 2000.
[Note: we have printed and preserved in our files a hard copy of this statement from the Lubavitch"Noah's Covenant Website," as it appeared on their website at http://www.noahide.com on June 20, 2000, in the event that denials are later issued and the statement itself suppressed].
Let us examine further some of these anti-Christ Talmud passages:
Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."
Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in Soncino footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery: "It is taught that on the eve of Passover Jesus was hung, and forty days before this the proclamation was made: Jesus is to be stoned to death because he has practiced sorcery and has lured the people to idolatry...He was an enticer and of such thou shalt not pity or condone."
Kallah 51a."The elders were once sitting in the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his head and the other uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head Rabbi Eliezer remarked that he is a bastard. Rabbi Joshua remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period). Rabbi Akiba said that he is both a bastard and a son of a niddah.
"They said, 'What induced you to contradict the opinion of your colleagues?' He replied, "I will prove it concerning him." He went to the lad's mother and found her sitting in the market selling beans.
"He said to her, 'My daughter, if you will answer the question I will put to you, I will bring you to the world to come.' (eternal life). She said to him, 'Swear it to me.'
"Rabbi Akiba, taking the oath with his lips but annulling it in his heart, said to her, 'What is the status of your son?' She replied, 'When I entered the bridal chamber I was niddah (menstruating) and my husband kept away from me; but my best man had intercourse with me and this son was born to me.' Consequently the child was both a bastard and the son of a niddah.
"It was declared, '..Blessed be the God of Israel Who Revealed His Secret to Rabbi Akiba..."
In addition to the theme that God rewards clever liars, the preceding Talmud discussion is actually about Jesus Christ (the bastard boy who "uncovered his head" and was conceived in the filth of menstruation). The boy's adulterous mother in this Talmud story is the mother of Christ, Blessed Mary (called Miriam and sometimes, Miriam the hairdresser, in the Talmud).

"The Editio Princeps of the complete Code of Talmudic Law, Maimonides' Mishneh Torah -- replete not only with the most offensive precepts against all Gentiles but also with explicit attacks on Christianity and on Jesus (after whose name the author adds piously, 'May the name of the wicked perish')... --Dr. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21.
"The Talmud contains a few explicit references to Jesus...These references are certainly not complimentary...There seems little doubt that the account of the execution of Jesus on the eve of Passover does refer to the Christian Jesus...The passage in which Jesus' punishment in hell is described also seems to refer to the Christian Jesus. It is a piece of anti-Christian polemic dating from the post-70 CE period..." --Hyam Maccoby, Judaism on Trial, pp. 26-27.
"According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.
"The more popular accounts--which were nevertheless taken quite seriously--such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name 'Jesus' was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists...
"The Hebrew form of the name Jesus--Yeshu--was interpreted as an acronym for the curse, 'may his name and memory be wiped out,' which is used as an extreme form of abuse. In fact, anti-zionist Orthodox Jews (such as Neturey Qarta) sometimes refer to Herzl as 'Herzl Jesus' and I have found in religious zionist writings expressions such as "Nasser Jesus" and more recently 'Arafat Jesus." --Dr. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, pp. 97- 98, 118.
Talmud Attacks Christians and Christian Books
Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.
Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books") will have no portion in the world to come.
Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.
Dr. Israel Shahak of Hebrew University reports that the Israelis burned hundreds of New Testament Bibles in occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).
Sick and Insane Teachings of the Talmud
Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix with honey and eat it.
Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.
Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.
Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.On one of his whorehouse romps, Rabbi Eleazar leanred that there was one particular prostitute residing in a whorehouse near the sea, who would receive a bag of money for her services. He took a bag of money and went to her, crossing seven rivers to do so. During their intercourse the prostitute farted. After this the whore told Rabbi Eleazar: "Just as this gas will never return to my anus, Rabbi Eleazar will never get to heaven."
Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.
Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."
Gittin 69b. To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it loosens the limbs."
Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.
Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.
Tall Tales of a Roman Holocaust
Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b. Claims that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans. (Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the entire world at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four billion Jews).



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http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

Have you contacted the author about using such massive pieces of his work verbatim? I think what you are doing here is infringing copywright.

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The Talmud & Kabbalah: Adam the Bisexual

According to author Judy Weinberg, the Talmud, Midrash and Zohar present Adam as a hermaphrodite or bisexual:

"The Zohar (the central work of Jewish mysticism) develops a theory that Adam originally comprised both male and female elements. This is based on Talmudic and midrashic statements that "Adam, who was the first man, had two full faces" (Brachot 61a, Erubin 18b). Rabbi Samuel ben Nachman said: "When the Holy One, blessed be He, created the first man, he created him as a hermaphrodite." Rabbi Levi said the same thing:

"When man was created, he was created with two body fronts, and He sawed him in two, so that two bodies resulted, one for the male and one for the female (Lev. Rab. 14:1)." 37.

Weinberg shows how Adam's "bisexuality" links to Lilith.

"The Zohar picks up on this theme of Adam's bisexuality but now draws the connection with Lilith:

"The female was attached to the side of the male until God cast him into a deep slumber... God then sawed her off from him and adorned her like a bride and brought her to him, as it is written, "And He took one of his sides and closed up the place with flesh. " I have found it stated in an old book that the word "one" here means "one woman" to wit the original Lilith, who was with him and conceived from him. Up to that time, however, she was not a help to him, as it is written, "but for Adam there was not found a helpmeet for him." (134b)."

"Other references in the Zohar describe Lilith as a competitor to "the female affixed to his side."(see III 19a, II 276b, I 19b). " 38.

When we look to Genesis, we see no reference to this occult teaching. A review of what is being taught through Planned Parenthood, in Public Health, Mental health institutions, the educational system and many liberal churches would reveal the foundational New Age teachings of bisexuality and androgyny. Getting in touch with one's feminine or masculine side is the esoteric cliché found in psychology today.

Proverbs 28:4:

"They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them."

Controversies over giving credit to Lilith vs. the other demons seems to consume the intellectual and spiritual capabilities of Jewish scholars.

"….Kabbalistic tradition has numerous portrayals of Lilith as a demon, often linking her to other such female spirits as Naamah, Machlah and Agrat. In fact, Lilith is often confused with them. Yaalkut Re'uveni claims, for instance, that both Lilith and Naamah had intercourse with Adam and brought forth "plagues to the world." However, elsewhere the Zohar identifies Naamah as "the mother of demons" while Lilith, it seems, only functions as their governess: "

"Naamah "goes forth and makes sport with men and conceives from them through their lustful dreams."...[The offspring] all go to the ancient Lilith who brings them up. She goes out into the world and seeks her little ones and when she sees little children she cleaves to them in order to kill them and insinuate herself into their spirits (Zohar III, 76b)." 39.

The tradition of Lilith as a slayer of children is seen in the midrash in Numbers Rabbah: "...like Lilith, who, when she can find no strange children, slays her own" (16:25). This Lilith seems to resemble the Babylonian demon Labartu or Lamashtu, for the child-slayer image has no foundation in the Talmud and certainly no connection with the first Eve. Since scholars differ widely as to the dating of Numbers Rabbah, it is difficult to determine whether the author of the Alphabet based his portrayal of Lilith as the evil spirit who harms babies on this source, or whether both drew from a common antecedent. In any case, the unity of the motifs of promiscuity and child-slaying does not occur until the time of the Zohar (see Zohar 119b)…" 40.

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The Talmud & Kabbalah: Adam the Bisexual

According to author Judy Weinberg, the Talmud, Midrash and Zohar present Adam as a hermaphrodite or bisexual:

"The Zohar (the central work of Jewish mysticism) develops a theory that Adam originally comprised both male and female elements. This is based on Talmudic and midrashic statements that "Adam, who was the first man, had two full faces" (Brachot 61a, Erubin 18b). Rabbi Samuel ben Nachman said: "When the Holy One, blessed be He, created the first man, he created him as a hermaphrodite." Rabbi Levi said the same thing:

"When man was created, he was created with two body fronts, and He sawed him in two, so that two bodies resulted, one for the male and one for the female (Lev. Rab. 14:1)." 37.

Weinberg shows how Adam's "bisexuality" links to Lilith.

"The Zohar picks up on this theme of Adam's bisexuality but now draws the connection with Lilith:

"The female was attached to the side of the male until God cast him into a deep slumber... God then sawed her off from him and adorned her like a bride and brought her to him, as it is written, "And He took one of his sides and closed up the place with flesh. " I have found it stated in an old book that the word "one" here means "one woman" to wit the original Lilith, who was with him and conceived from him. Up to that time, however, she was not a help to him, as it is written, "but for Adam there was not found a helpmeet for him." (134b)."

"Other references in the Zohar describe Lilith as a competitor to "the female affixed to his side."(see III 19a, II 276b, I 19b). " 38.

When we look to Genesis, we see no reference to this occult teaching. A review of what is being taught through Planned Parenthood, in Public Health, Mental health institutions, the educational system and many liberal churches would reveal the foundational New Age teachings of bisexuality and androgyny. Getting in touch with one's feminine or masculine side is the esoteric cliché found in psychology today.

Proverbs 28:4:

"They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them."

Controversies over giving credit to Lilith vs. the other demons seems to consume the intellectual and spiritual capabilities of Jewish scholars.

"….Kabbalistic tradition has numerous portrayals of Lilith as a demon, often linking her to other such female spirits as Naamah, Machlah and Agrat. In fact, Lilith is often confused with them. Yaalkut Re'uveni claims, for instance, that both Lilith and Naamah had intercourse with Adam and brought forth "plagues to the world." However, elsewhere the Zohar identifies Naamah as "the mother of demons" while Lilith, it seems, only functions as their governess: "

"Naamah "goes forth and makes sport with men and conceives from them through their lustful dreams."...[The offspring] all go to the ancient Lilith who brings them up. She goes out into the world and seeks her little ones and when she sees little children she cleaves to them in order to kill them and insinuate herself into their spirits (Zohar III, 76b)." 39.

The tradition of Lilith as a slayer of children is seen in the midrash in Numbers Rabbah: "...like Lilith, who, when she can find no strange children, slays her own" (16:25). This Lilith seems to resemble the Babylonian demon Labartu or Lamashtu, for the child-slayer image has no foundation in the Talmud and certainly no connection with the first Eve. Since scholars differ widely as to the dating of Numbers Rabbah, it is difficult to determine whether the author of the Alphabet based his portrayal of Lilith as the evil spirit who harms babies on this source, or whether both drew from a common antecedent. In any case, the unity of the motifs of promiscuity and child-slaying does not occur until the time of the Zohar (see Zohar 119b)…" 40.


There is quite a difference between a bi-sexual and a hermaphrodite. A bi-sexual is a person of one gender who enjoys has sex with both genders but an hermaphrodite actually has both sexes.

The human soul is considered to be hermaphrodite which is why a souls can inhabit a male or female body as required. Notice also the words of Jesus when questioned about married people going to heaven, 'they are not married nor given in marriage for they are as the angels of heaven'. Basically you are only limited to one sex while in the body. Energy is only male or female according to how it manifests, and the soul is of the nature of energy.

So what is the issue of the sexual nature of Adam? many believe Adam to represent a race not an individual. Eve is the mother of all living things. I think this is more symbolic than anything. The divine spirit as embodied in Adam impregnates the mother of all living things.

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Making Four Sefardic Authors Known

On a few occasions when I had the privilege of being received by the Lubavitcher Rebbe, zi"l, he praised me for publishing manuscripts of great Sefardic talmidei chachamim (Torah sages) and encouraged me to continue doing so.
From time to time, when I visit the great Sefardic sage, Chacham Ovadya Yosef, in Jerusalem, he expresses his appreciation of the fact that , although an Ashkenazi, I give preference to publishing Sefardic authors from manuscripts in my library. I explained to him that while Ashkenazic words are widely published and studied, I see it as my special mission to give wide access to works by great Sefardic Torah sages and Talmudists, who had a tremendous influence on their own communities, although the rest of the world knows little about them.
Herewith are four, brief biographical sketches of authors whose works I have published.

Rav Abraham Amigo Born around 1610 in Turkey, he died in Jerusalem in 1683. His birthplace was either Adrianopolis or Constantinople. As his Spanish name shows, his family originated from Spain. His early studies took place in Adrianopolis, where he was also accepted as the chacham of the city. All the great sages of his time, in Egypt and Turkey, turned to him for his halachic (Jewish legal) decisions, and his opinion was accepted as binding. He was also known for his sermons, which earned him a great reputation and following.
By 1652 he was established in Jerusalem with many of his followers. His historic accomplishment there was his encounter with Shabbatai Zvi and his "prophet," Nathan of Gaza. Rav Avraham Amigo quickly realized that Shabbatai Zvi was a fraud, and together with two other great kabbalists, expelled him from the Holy City. This incident is reported in various books, including one by Rav Yaakov Emden (Taavetz), who spent a lifetime fighting followers of the false Messiah.
At that time a yeshiva was established in Jerusalem by the name "Baalei Battim," founded by the wealthy Veiga family, also of Iberian origin. Rav Amigo was appointed to head this academy, which had a great number of students who later occupied important posts in the Sefardic world, among them Rav Chayim Abulafia and Rav Moshe Galantl. Rav Amigo had very rich exchanges with such Torah sages as Rav Shlomo Algazi, Rav Yitzchak De-Boton and Rav Shemuel Garmizan.
After Rav Avraham Amigo and his colleagues had expelled Shabbatai Zvi from Eretz Yisrael, they sent letters to the heads of the communities of Venice and Constantinople with their findings about the messianic pretender. The decisive action by Rav Amigo undoubtedly led to the discrediting of Shabbatai Zvi in the rest of the Jewish world and forced him back to Izmit, Turkey, where he became a Moslem apostate.
None of his complete works have until now been printed. When I discovered that I had an autograph -- manuscript written in the author’s own hand -- and had it identified by Professor Meir Benyahu in Jerusalem, I decided that it must be published. The work contains partly halachic, partly homiletic writings, often based on kabbalah.
His contemporaries called him "The Great Prince," "The Great Luminary" and "The Greatest in His Generation." The great bibliographer Rav Hayim David Azulay (Chidah) praises his work, but laments that his writings were lost. It is therefore a special privilege to have salvaged writings by this great historic Sefardic personality.

Rav Avrah Pinso Bosnia-Herzogovina, as we all know now, is the source of unbelievable turmoil and violence. This situation has been going on for over 400 years, because of the forced occupation of the area by the Moslem Turks, who spent centuries converting the Christian population to Islam through cruel persecutions and violence. No wonder that the Serbs, who have survived the Turkish genocide, are bent on taking revenge on the Moslem Bosnians. This configuration of religious and political extremes has more than once led to war on a worldwide scale. It is amazing that out of this chaos one of the greatest talmidei chachamim arose.
Rav Avraham Pinso was born in the Bosnian capital Sarajevo, called in Hebrew, "Sharye de-min Bosnia." Already under the rule in the 16th century of the famous Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent -- the builder of the city walls around Jerusalem -- Jews settled in Sarajevo. Their fate rose and fell according to the varying character of the rulers throughout the centuries. By 1765, the community appointed the Venetian Talmudist Rav David Pardo as its leader. When he moved from Venice across the Adriatic Sea to set up his seat in Bosnia, he brought great Talmudists with him. Thus, a center of learning was established that was highly respected and productive. For a while he lived in Belgrade -- "Belo Grado" in Hebrew -- but then was called to head the community in Sarajevo.
His leading disciple in Sarajevo was Rav Avraham Pinso, a native of the city. Rav Pinso, born in 1740, dwelt throughout his life on the Torah and kabbalah that his great teacher had passed on to him. He held Rav David Pardo’s works in manuscript form for many years and used them as the foundation of his own learning. He worked hard to have his teacher’s works printed. For this reason he traveled to Livorno, the important Italian town.
There he met Rav Azulay, who added his warm recommendation to the introduction to Rav Pardo’s works, which were printed in Livorno. Rav Azulay was so impressed with Rav Pinso that he wrote great praises about him in his own bibliographical work, Shem Hagedolim. He particularly stressed the great piety and humility of Rav Pinso. In 1805, toward the end of his life, Rav Pinso settled in Jerusalem. In doing so he followed in the footsteps of his master and teacher, Rav Pardo, who also came to live in the Holy City.
My manuscript by Rav Pinso, written in his own hand, are called Katit la-Maor and Ezrat Metza, which contain responses as well as chiddushim (insights) on many tractates. These voluminous works are printed in two volumes and are a delight for scholars and students. Rav Pinso died in Jerusalem in 1820.

Rav Eliezer Chazan Rav Eliezer Chazan, a descendant of a very famous rabbinical family, was born in Izmit, Turkey. His father, Rav Joseph Refael Chazan, is known by the name of his leading work, Chiqrey Lev. Rev Eliezer Chazan was born around 1790 and died in 1823. One of his descendants was a rabbi in Alexandria, Egypt, and evidently took with him the very voluminous manuscripts of Rav Eliezer Chazan, titled Amudey Arazim, which I have published in four volumes. The very unusual feature of this work is that it is a very extensive commentary on Sefer Yereim, a medieval work by Rav Eliezer of Metz, one of the Tosefites. This work lists all 613 Mitzvot, and it is likely that Rav Chazan wrote his commentary on all of them -- but only a portion has survived, filling four volumes.
Here you have a fine combination of the great Ashkenazic tradition of the French-German school, combined with a commentary of the Sefardic Turkish school. Today’s scholars marvel at the erudition and depth of Rav Chazan’s work. When the first volume of this important work was published, I attached to it an essay by my late son Jamie, z"l, translated into Hebrew, on "Love and Fear of G-d in the Rambam."

Rav Tzemach ha Kohen One of the most fascinating Jewish communities in the world is without a doubt that of the island of Djerba, off the coast of Tunisia. The beginnings of this community are lost somewhere in the beginning of our history. Their own local tradition claims that the Jews were living there in the days of Joshua, certainly they were there in the days of Ezra.
The ancient synagogues of the island are visited by visitors from all corners of the world. The concentration of kohanim and scholars there is unusually high. Much of that splendor has survived until our days. There was for many years a printing press in Djerba and I own a number of books printed on that exotic island, by authors who are largely unknown in the Ashkenazic world.
A handwritten autograph in my possession by Rav Tzemach ha-Kohen, who lived over 250 years ago, contains commentaries on various tractates of the Talmud. It is called Terumath Ha-Dashen, a favorite name occurring in Talmudic literature. My publication of the work took place a few years ago.
The research for the publication of works by the four listed authors was done by the Ahavath Shalom Institute in Jerusalem. Each volume contains a Hebrew introduction written by me, and each volume is dedicated, in my and my wife’s name, to the memory of our late son Jamie, z"l.
It is our ardent wish that the revival of the works of these giants of Judaism, for so long ignored, will give spiritual sustenance to our people at this critical time in our history



http://www.manfredlehmann.com/sieg1.html

[marpat]

I like that, I respond to one of your posts to highlight an error and you not only completely ignore the commet but you go straight into posting chunks of other peoples work. Nothing new there I guess.

[eternal_spirit]

Marpat ask a Rabi.


A priest of the female procreation goddess Tanith enters and is resented as this is the celebration to honor the male sex-god, Moloch. He, “Schahabarim … owing to his mutilation … could take no part in the cult of Baal.” (Note: The priests of the female goddesses were castrated with “sacred swords” and their “privy member” thrown up against the statue of the goddess as an offering.)


Jewish Magic

Rabbi Joshua Trachtenberg, listed in Who’s Who in American Jewry, in his defensive yet illuminating book, Jewish Magic and Superstition (Behrmann’s, N.Y., 1939), writing of the age-long reputation of Jews as practitioners of black magic and all occult demonistic rites, states (Second chapter, entitled “The Truth Behind the Legend”):

“The sources indicate that Jews were at least acquainted with methods of inducing disease and death, of arousing and killing passion, of forcing people to do their bidding, of employing demons for divinatory and other purposes … We find accounts of the magician’s power to project his soul to far-distant places, there to perform an errand, and then return to his comatose body.” (Page 13)

“Jewish magic … functioned within the framework of the Jewish religion.” (Page 15)

Rabbi Trachtenberg also states:

“Knowledge of the names, through which Jewish magic worked, was inaccessible to women, for it required not only a thorough training in Hebrew and Aramaic, which most of them lacked, but also a deep immersion in mystical lore from which they were barred … Early mystical and magical lore was successfully guarded by a limited oral transmission. The secret lore of the Kalonymides [Note: who brought it from Babylonia] … was first written down in the 13th Century … Jewish life had turned more and more inward … and intensive study of the Talmud had become almost its sole intellectual pursuit … But the German Kabbalah never attained the theoretical depth of its Spanish counterpart, nor did it exert so much influence.” (Pages 16-17, same publication)

[kasalt]

So far as I'm aware, there are no examples of racism directed specifically against black Africans in the Torah, but such views can be found in the Babylonian Talmud:

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_108.html#PARTb

"Our Rabbis taught: ...Ham was smitten in his skin.34 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_108.html#108b_34)"

The footnote to that quote says:

"I.e., from him descended Cush (the negro) who is black-skinned." http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_108.html#108b_34

[eternal_spirit]

So we may say that every Jew whose desire led him thither essayed a little magic in a small way. But it was generally recognized that only a minor portion of the mystical lore had found its way into books; much of it remained private, jealously guarded property.” (page 18)

Jewish Necromancy

Says Rabbi Trachtenberg:

“The future is an open book to the denizens of the supernatural realm, and like the demons and the angels, the deceased can by eavesdropping pick up the latest decisions of the court on high; ‘they flit through the universe to hear what has been decreed.’ Then they report back to intimates on earth, in dreams or personal appearances … But in general the spirit-world is chary of its secrets and can be induced to reveal them only by magical means … mystical invocations and occult rites are effective in forcing the dead to obey the magician’s will. The art of necromancy is a specialized function of sorcery.” (Jewish Magic and Superstition, page 65)

And:

“The official language of the celestial court is Hebrew … This principle was advanced in the Talmud.” (page 74)

The Shulhan Aruch

Never worry about the spelling of a Talmudic word. As though promoting a program of confusion, as soon as you have identified one spelling, you find another. The above happens to be the spelling in the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, although the name on the book itself is spelled: “Schulchan Aruch” (“Code of Jewish Law,” translated by Hyman E. Goldin; Hebrew Publishing Co., 77-9 Delancey St., N.Y., copyright 1927).

The Schulchan Aruch, says the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, is the “standard authoritative source for Judaism. It is a compendium of the religious practices of the Jews.” A “Kitzur” or condensed compilation of this work is on sale at Jewish bookstores (Rabbi Solomon Ganzfried, Hebrew Publishing Co., 79 Delancey St., N.Y.).

It was compiled by Joseph Caro (1488-1575). He died in Safed, Palestine, seat of Jewish voodoo mysticism. He was one of those ousted from Spain in 1492 when Spain tired of facilitating “the golden age” for Talmudists.

Since Caro was accused of neglecting some of the customs of Eastern “Ashkenazi,” Polish-Russian-German Jews in favor of Spanish or Sephardic customs, additions were made to this boiled down compilation of the laws of the Talmud by Moses Isserles. It was first published in Venice in 1565, and, to quote: “It became practically canonical.” The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia complains, however, that ever since 1700, due to the exposures of Eisenmenger, the Shulhan Aruch caused anti-Semites to accuse the Jews of being “hostile to humanity … ”

The Kitzur, or abbreviated edition of the Shulhan Aruch, boils down the Talmud laws or Mishnaim, to expedite knowing such things as which shoe to put on in the morning to keep the demons in line, etc. It requires three chapters, for example, to tell the modern Jew how to behave in that beloved Talmudic subject — the privy.

Says Rabbi Trachtenberg: “In Talmudic times it was customary to rattle nuts in a jar to scare away the demons that frequent privies … .” and he cites other devices.

Sections VXXII to CXXV give directions for such petty observances as not bathing, or paring nails during the Tammuz fast. At its termination: “In the evening all enter the synagogue and take off their boots … . All should be seated on the ground, and only a few lights are lit just sufficient to enable them to say Lamentations and the special lamentations. Lamentations and the special lamentations are likewise said in a low tone with a weeping intonation.” (CXXIV, page 60)

“On the Sabbath during the nine days of Ab, it is the custom to call up to Maftir the Rabbi who knows how to lament.” (CXXII, page 59)

The excuse for keeping up this typical pagan Babylonian custom is that one must mourn for the loss of the Jerusalem Temple.

There are three obscene and senseless chapters on how to behave in a privy, much about excreta, and about demon-preventing handwashing from morning to night, against which Christ declaimed. Just the chapters on rules of the sabbath would wear out a piece of stone. For example, “One should not wash his hand upon the ground … because an evil spirit rests upon this water.” (Chapter XLIV, Volume 1, on handwashing at the end of a meal) The right hand and then the left has to be immersed before a meal: “and he should not dry them with his shirt, because it is harmful to the memory.” (Chapter XL)

“Wisdom of the Sages” for today: “When a man is asleep the holy soul departs from his body, and the unclean spirit comes down upon him. When he rises from his sleep the evil spirit departs from his entire body excepting his fingers. From there the unclean spirit does not depart unless he spills water on them three times alternately. One is not permitted to walk four cubits without having his hands washed.” (Chapter II) A cubit is about 18 inches — so watch your step! This so-called “handwashing” is not for cleanliness, as previously noted, but a ritual in connection with dislodging demons the “Orthodox” or “pious” Jew may well spend the rest of the time invoking or inviting in.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

wtf:confused::(

ES; you have proven to me you lack any discernment, as you believe anything that tickles your ears and fits your world view as a Bigot.

Do you stand behind these claims and say they are FACTUAL?



COUNTERPOINT:



http://talmud.faithweb.com/

http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/three.html




The Talmud Does Not Permit Sex With A Three Year Old


Written by Gil Student
The Accusation
Yebhamot 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."


The accusation here is quite nefarious. It implies that Judaism permits pedophilia, has no respect for women, and generally advocates loose sexual morals. To those familiar with the Talmud, this claim is patently ridiculous. However, the majority of people — particularly those making this claim — know little to nothing about the Talmud, its contents, or its methodology. On our website The Real Truth About The Talmud, we elaborate on these issues. However, for now, we will focus on the accusation at hand. It is, in fact, easily verified as being incorrect.

The Text
Talmud Ketuvot 11b (The citation mentioned is evidently in error. Talmud Yevamot 11b has no relevant passage)

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Rav Yehudah said in the name of Rav: A male child who has relations with a female adult causes her to be like one who was injured with a stick... Rava said: This is what was meant - an adult male who has relations with a female child has not done anything because less than this [three years old] is like sticking a finger into an eyeball.


While those unused to these Talmudic discussions might be taken aback by the use of euphemisms, the discussion here relates to the dowry for virgins and non-virgins. It has nothing to do with what acts are allowed, encouraged, forbidden, or discouraged. It is, indeed, ironic that this passage has been manipulated from its original context of a financial discussion into one of a religious discussion. While there are numerous talmudic passages of a religious nature, this one discusses dowries and not forbidden and permitted relations!

The Talmud relates that a virgin is entitled a higher dowry. While the tell-tale sign of virginity is the release of blood due to the breaking of the hymen on the wedding night, there are occasions when the hymen has already been broken such as when the woman suffered an injury. The Talmud here quotes Rav Yehuda in the name of Rav that a sexual act with a male minor is not considered to be a loss of virginity because one of the participants is not fully active. While the female's hymen may have been broken, she has not engaged in what can be classified as a sexual act (although it is certainly child abuse).

The Talmud continues and quotes Rava as saying that a sexual act between a male adult and a female under the age of three is also not considered a loss of virginity (although it is child abuse). Since the girl is too young for her hymen to be broken, she is still considered a virgin.

Nowhere is the Talmud permitting such behavior. Sex outside of a marriage is strictly forbidden (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Ishut 1:4, Hilchot Na'arah Betulah 2:17; Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 26:1, 177:5) as is this obvious case of child abuse. The Talmud is only discussing ex post facto what would happen if such a case arose.

That non-marital sexual relations is prohibited is stated explicitly by Maimonides in the following passage from his ground-breaking legal code Mishneh Torah:

Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Ishut 1:4

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Whoever has licentious relations with a woman without marriage bonds is lashed by biblical mandate.


The claim that the Talmud, or normative Judaism, permits sexual relations with a minor is almost entirely incorrect. The slight truth in it is that, in certain societies in history, people were sometimes married as young as ten. While this was most recently done in Czarist Russia in order to avoid being drafted into the Czar's army (which was made especially difficult for Jews), it is not currently done. However, even in that case, marriage is required before having sexual relations. Judaism as a religion prohibits sexual relations, indeed even minor touching such as holding hands, outside of marriage.

It is certainly true that there are individual Jews who do not follow the teaching of the Talmud. That is their personal choice, just like many Catholics choose to use birth control and have premarital relations despite their religion's teaching against it. This does not mean that Catholicism permits premarital relations and it does not mean that Judaism (and the Talmud) does either. The personal choices of people whether to follow completely their religion does not reflect on what their religion teaches. Similarly, the fact that certain Muslims drink alcohol and frequent prostitutes does not mean that their religion permits it. It means that these individuals choose to defy their religion.

We leave it to others to deduce why some people would make baseless accusations against the Talmud and, by implication, Judaism and Jews.

[serpentoffire]

Snoop you are only a poor brainwashed slave of zionism power.
You are defending who is trying to destroy the world creating false religions (evangelics, Jeova witness, Scientology, ...), false ideologies (communism, liberism) and using finance and wars to put goyms in total starvation.

See for example the financial crisis in USA, that will arrive in EU soon: all banks involved are driven by zionism. FED is completelly owned by jews banks (JP Morgan, Goldman suck and Rothshilds).

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Snoop you are only a poor brainwashed slave of zionism power.
You are defending who is trying to destroy the world creating false religions (evangelics, Jeova witness, Scientology, ...), false ideologies (communism, liberism) and using finance and wars to put goyms in total starvation.

See for example the financial crisis in USA, that will arrive in EU soon: all banks involved are driven by zionism. FED is completelly owned by jews banks (JP Morgan, Goldman suck and Rothshilds).

Serps, you have proven many times it is you who is Brainwashed. Evident from your Postings. You have inverted life and embrace lies as truth. Such is the way of Rome.

Tragic. :(

[serpentoffire]

I'm a free man. Free from judaism in all its forms (catholic church comprehended).

I'm a Christian but I studied a lot from these "judaic-freemasonic-vatican conspiracy" authors:


Frinz Springmeier
Jury Lina
Jordan Maxwell
Micheal Tsarion
Alex Jones
Zecharia Sitchin
David Icke

and the following occultists:


Max Hendel and Rose-cross
Julius Evola and his Group of UR
Giuliano M. Kremmerz and his Myriam brotherhood
Gurdjieff/Ouspensky
Cornelius Agrippa
Eliphas Levy
Helena Blawansky
Franz Bardon

From everything I studied about Hebraism I understoot that it is an hoax created by luciferian entities to give light (knowledge) to few and enslave the rest of humanity (goyms).

This is the plan of ancient Annunaky/Reptilian race. Your thorah is only a NLP/PSYOPS tool to propagate alchemical teaching to who have the key to decript it and in the same time destroy the personality of who read it literally (your case).

[charles d ward]

Waay of topic...

Serpent of Fire:

I have 2 books written by Evola. "Ride the tiger" and "Eros and the mysteries of love". Not read them yet, would you recommend them?

[serpentoffire]

Waay of topic...

Serpent of Fire:

I have 2 books written by Evola. "Ride the tiger" and "Eros and the mysteries of love". Not read them yet, would you recommend them?

Ride the tiger.

Tiger means fire or dray path (conscience), instead serpent water or humid path (knowledge).

My nick "serpent of fire" have both elements, water and fire or conscience+knowledge. It is also referred as the androgen mercury in alchemy.

[charles d ward]

I´ll "Ride the tiger" tonight then. :)

[eternal_spirit]

mitzvah
(Hebrew, 'commandment')In Jewish LAW commandments are either positive (mitzvah aseh) or negative (mitzvah lo taaseh). According to tradition, there are 613 commandments in the TORAH. The TALMUD differentiates between two types of commandment: mishpatim, ordinances that would have been deducible even if the Hebrew Bible had not prescribed them, and "ukkim, commandments that could not have been logically derived. Medieval scholars referred to the first type as rational (sikhliyyot), and the second as revealed (shimiyot). The term mitzvah is also applied to a good deed.

[eternal_spirit]

Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the Gentiles should all be killed").
This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopaedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, "Gentile," (p. 617).
This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The Jewish Encyclopaedia states that, "...in the various versions the reading has been altered, 'The best among the Egyptians' being generally substituted." In the Soncino version: "the best of the heathens" (Minor Tractates, Soferim 41a,b].
Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honour this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non Jews. (Jewish Press of June 9, 1989, p. 56B).
On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Khazar from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Rabbi Kahane who has stated that his view of Arabs as "dogs" is "from the Talmud." (Cf. CBS 60 Minutes, "Kahane").
Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldstein's philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence against 'goyim,' a Hebrew term for non Jews - ." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).
Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5).
Rabbi Yaacov Perrin says, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).

[eternal_spirit]

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedr...hedrin_52.html (http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_52.html)
MISHNAH. STRANGULATION WAS THUS PERFORMED: — THE CONDEMNED MAN WAS LOWERED INTO DUNG UP TO HIS ARMPITS, THEN A HARD CLOTH WAS PLACED WITHIN A SOFT ONE, WOUND ROUND HIS NECK, AND THE TWO ENDS PULLED IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS UNTIL HE WAS DEAD.
GEMARA. Our Rabbis taught: [And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death].23 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_52.html#52b_23) 'The man' excludes a minor; 'that committeth adultery with another man's wife' excludes the wife of a minor; 'even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife' excludes the wife of a heathen; 'shall surely be put to death', by strangulation. You say, by strangulation; but perhaps one of the other deaths decreed by the Torah is meant here? — I will answer you: Whenever the Torah decrees an unspecified death penalty, you may not interpret it stringently but leniently:24 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_52.html#52b_24) this is R. Josiah's view. R. Jonathan said: Not because strangulation is the most lenient death, but because by every unspecified death in the Torah strangulation is meant. Rabbi [proceeding to demonstrate this] said: Death by God is mentioned in Scripture;25 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_52.html#52b_25) and death by man is also decreed. Just as the death by God26 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_52.html#52b_26) leaves no mark [of violence on the body], so also death by man must leave no mark [of violence], a condition which only strangling fulfils. But may it not apply to burning?27 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_52.html#52b_27) Since the Divine Law explicitly decreed burning for a priest's adulterous daughter, it follows that the adulterous married [Israelite] woman is not put to death by burning.

- To Next Folio (http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_53.html) -

[eternal_spirit]

"The Talmud declares that there are two kinds of blood pleasing to the lord, viz: (1) that of Paschal holocaust [Easter sacrifice & the Feast of Purim]; (2) that of circumcision."

According to The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1903, Vol. IV., p. 90, when performing the operation of circumcision on children, the mohel (Jewish Rabbi who does the circumcision):

"takes some wine in his mouth and applies his lips to the part involved in the operation, and exerts suction, after which he expels the mixture of wine and blood into a receptacle provided."

What The Jewish Encyclopedia does not tell us is that this mixture of wine and blood is then drunk by the rabbi, as a great delicacy.

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[eternal_spirit]

Sources Used by the Talmud

In addition to the Bible, Mishnah and the teachings of the Babylonian Amora'im, the Babylonian cites and discusses several other kinds of sources.
These include:

Teachings by the Rabbis of the Mishnah (Tanna'im) that were not included in the Mishnah. Such sources are designated "external mishnahs," or in Aramaic: Baraita.
There are several different types of baraita. These include:

Tanna'itic (or: Halakhic) Midrash: These follow the text of the Torah, especially its legal sections, explaining it in close detail. Many of the midrashic baraitas in the Talmud are identical or similar to known midrashic collections (works such as the "Mekhilta"s to Exodus, "Sifra" (="Torat Kohanim") to Leviticus, or "Sifre" to Numbers and Deuteronomy), stemming from the Schools of Rabbis Akiva and Ishmael. Others are known only from the Talmud itself.
Baraitas attached to the Mishnah. Many of these are similar or identical to the Tosefta, a Tanna'itic work arranged according to the order of the Mishnah, that provides explanations and supplementary material.
Tanna'itic sources known only from the Babylonian Talmud.


Teachings of the Palestinian Amora'im:
The Land of Israel continued to be the most important centre of Torah study, and the Rabbis there also studied the Mishnah in the same ways as their Babylonian counterparts. Their scholarly activities culminated in the production of the Palestinian (or: "Jerusalem") Talmud.
Many traditions of the Palestinian Amora'im were cited and incorporated in the Babylonian Talmud.
Aggadah, the non-legal component of Rabbinic teaching.
Included in this category are:

interpretations of the Bible, often taken from synagogue preaching
moralistic teachings and maxims
anecdotes about the Rabbis
folklore, especially magical and medical recipes


Records of legal rulings by the Rabbis.

It must be emphasized that during the era of the Talmud's development, the Jewish "Oral Tradition" was not allowed to be set down in writing, and therefore all the sources mentioned here, except for the Bible, were edited and transmitted by memory and recitation. They did not exist as written books.

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About A.D 141 there first came into note the now famous treatise written by the Rabbis of Judah, called "Mishna," and this formed the basis of those vast compilations of Hebrew doctrine called the "Talmud," of which there are two extant forms, one compiled at Babylon-the most notable, and the other associated with Jerusalem. To the original "Mishna" the Rabbis added further commentaries named "Gemara." From this time the literature of Judaism grew apace, and there was a constant succession of notable Hebrew Rabbis who published religious treatises, until at least A.D. 1500. The two Talmuds were first printed at Venice in 1520 and 1523 respectively.
The Old Testament books were the guiding light through the ages of the Jews, but the learned Rabbis were not satisfied with them alone, and they supplemented them by two parallel series of works of literature; the one, Talmudic, being commentaries based upon Thirteen Rules of Argument delivered by Moses to illustrate the Old Testament, and supply material for teaching the populace; and the other a long series of treatises of a more abstruse character, designed to illustrate their Secret Doctrines and Esoteric views of beliefs of judaism versus kabbalah . The Sepher Yetzirah, and the Zohar or Book of Splendour represent the kernel of that oral instruction which the Rabbis of the olden times prided themselves upon possessing, and which they have even claimed as being "The Secret Knowledge" which God gave to Moses for the use of the priests themselves, in contradistinction to the Written Law intended for the masses of the people practicing the kabbalah's magic rituals.

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Moses: The Jewish Prometheus

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to a number of Midrashim, Moses did not simply receive the Torah at the top of Mount Sinai. In fact, he had to ascend to heaven itself. There he was confronted with a hostile host of angels, angry at the idea that the supernal Torah would be given over to a mere mortal. In some versions, God must intervene on Moses’ behalf, but in others Moses confronts the angels directly. In one version, he actually has to slay a guardian angel named Kamuel in order to obtain the precious revelation. In another source identified by David Halperin in his book, Faces of the Chariot, Moses actually describes himself as fighting his way into heaven. So what gives? Isn’t God is control of Her own celestial household? Why are the angels angry? Is Moses supposed to have the Torah, or did he take it by force?

I am struck by the idea that these accounts of Moses in heaven are reminiscent of the Greek myth of Prometheus. Prometheus, if you will recall, was one of the Titans who, out of sympathy for humanity, steals fire from the gods and brings it down to earth. There are striking parallels between these two legends, but also instructive differences.

In the Moses legend, Torah occupies the same place as fire does in the Greek story: it is a divine power, a potential blessing to humanity, which passes from heaven to earth. The outraged angels stand in the same role as the Olympian gods. Yet here the similarities end and the contrasting fates of Prometheus and Moses serve to highlight what it means to be human in Jewish tradition. In the Greek story, this act of misappropriating divine power is punished with Prometheus suffering eternal imprisonment and torment. He is made a living example of the doom that awaits all those who challenge the existing order. It teaches that while daring is to be admired, humanity is meant to be humbled and miserable; hubris is always punished by the gods. Moses, by contrast, is meant to have the Torah and he is honored by both God and man for taking it. According to Ben Ish Chai, God sets up the confrontation with the angels both to test Moses (reminding us that nothing in life worth having comes without struggle) and to reveal the superiority of people over angels (we, not they, are God’s real partners in creation). In fact, this legend parallels a number of other tales in Jewish tradition where God actually rejoices when humans show chutzpah (gall) in the face of His obvious power and authority. In this myth, Moses is us; he stands for all humanity, and his storming into heaven is meant to highlight the unique dignity and importance of humanity in God’s eyes. God, this myth assures us, looks for us to empower ourselves and to fulfill our godly potential, even in the face of overwhelming power.

[tjohn]

This is the plan of ancient Annunaky/Reptilian race. That alone shows you have got it wrong because the Annunaki are not reptilian!

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Why did God create such a difference between Jew and Gentile, so that the Jew is at once recognized, no matter what race he lives among? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#1)
How did the Jews come to have such strange traditions setting them apart, racially and religiously, from the Gentiles? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#2)
Should we say that Jews are members of a race, or followers of a religion? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#3)
If the Jew is the follower of a religion, why does it cause him so much inconvenience or harassment, as against the followers of other religions? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#4)
What is the Talmud? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#5)
Is the Talmud a single book? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#6)
Are the two Talmuds alike? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#7)
How did the Babylonian Talmud come to be written, if the Jerusalem Talmud was already in existence? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#8)
Are the two Talmuds the holy books of the Jews? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#9)
What does the term Rabbi mean? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#10)
Is a Rabbi and a Jewish priest one and the same? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#11)
Why did the Destruction of the Temple destroy the Israelite priestly caste? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#12)
What was the Ark of the Covenant? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#13)
Is there any difference between the Jehovah of the Jews, and the Divine Father spoken of by Jesus and as worshipped by the Christians? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#14)
What is the difference between a Jewish Temple and a Synagogue … and isn't the synagogue the Jewish Church? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#15)
Are the modern Jews and the ancient Israelites one and the same people? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#16)
Were there no Jews in the world prior to the coming of Jacob's sons to Egypt? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#17)
Was there really an Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#18)
Did not Christ's words confirm that there was an Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#19)
Why does the Old Testament refer to the early Hebrews as Israelites? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#20)
Have we any other accounts than those of the Old Testament on the advent and adventures of the Hebrews in Egypt? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#21)
Were the Children of Israel persecuted by the Egyptians? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#22)
Was Pharaoh drowned in the Red Sea while the favored Hebrews passed over to Midian unscathed? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#23)
Is the Exodus story a myth? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#24)
Did Moses write the first five books of the Old Testament? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#25)
Why do we call the Jews "Semites"? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#26)
Have the Jews the right to designate Palestine as their Homeland? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#27)
Why were the Jews carried captive to Babylon? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#28)
Why do today's Jews make such an ungodly pother about returning to Palestine as a race? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#29)
How many Jews are there in the whole world today? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#30)
What is the Jewish Sanhedrin? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#31)
Is the Sanhedrin still in active existence? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#32)
Do Jews actually believe that the day is coming when they are going to be supreme masters over all the other races and peoples of earth? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#33)
Are the Jews a united people for the achievement of a world messiahship? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#34)
How do Sephardic Jews differ from Ashkenazic Jews? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#35)
To which branch of Jews did Jesus Christ belong? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#36)
Why did the Jews deny Christ? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#37)
Why does the Bible, as the "Inspired Word of God," persistently represent Christ as being a Jew? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#38)
What was Ebionitism? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#39)
Isn't the Bible the Inspired Word of God? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#40)
What is the Vulgate? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#41)
How can we condemn or persecute people who cannot help having been born into the Jewish race? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#42)
What is to be the future of the Jews when this present paroxysm of anti-Semitism has run its course? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#43)
Why jump on all the Jews, just because some of them misbehave? Aren't there any good Jews? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#44)
Is it true that all Jews are Communists? (http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/William.Dudley.Pelley/The.45.Questions.Most.Frequently.Asked.About.the.J ews.htm#45)

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Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
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The Protocol Serpent

Here we go again! I don't know how many times these horrific Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion have been discussed on the Internet, in books, in videos and elsewhere. They first became widely known in 1901, when they fell into the hands of the Russian Professor S. Nilus. He published them under the title "The Jewish Peril". Then, in 1921 VIctor Marsden translated them into English under "THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion2.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%201)".
Understandably, the Protocols created rage, fear, disbelief and any other strong emotions you can think of, because they are so incredibly evil and they target people like you and I. The authors of the Protocols want us all dead or enslaved!
The next public reaction was denial; no one can be that vicious. Just because it is so hard for people to comprehend such evil, it was an easy task for the Zionists to spread the rumors that the Protocols were forgeries, made up by someone to blame the Jews and put them in a situation where people would hate them. Many people took this to heart without doing any deeper research, simply because it was more convenient, and hopefully the threat would 'disappeared'.
Now I have to disappoint those who bought the lie that the Protocols are forgeries. They are not! There is evidence they are authentic, and I will show them to you:
1. Almost everything that is written in the Protocols have become reality or is well on its way to be! If you don't believe me, read them again - very carefully. You will clearly see that the Protocols are implemented all over the world - TODAY.
2. The Protocols are of Jewish origins! How do I know? Because they are all blueprints to implement the teachings of the Talmud, the Jewish Sacred Scripture! Again, if you don't believe me, read the Talmud! Everything that is written in the Protocols is also written in the Talmud. To prove my point, I am going to quote from this unbelievably evil book under the next section, and you will see.
3. Some may say the Protocols are written by Zionists, which is a political "Jewish" movement, contrary to Judaism, which is a religion, something totally different. WRONG! First of all, Zionism has only been around since the late 1800's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism#The_Historic_and_Religious_Origins_of_Zion ism), while the Talmud was written down Talmud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, but the oral version of the Jewish law goes back way further, to old Babylon and even further back. This means that though the Protocols were written fairly recently, the ideas behind them go back thousands of years.
The above statements should prove my point, especially after you have read the next section:

The Talmud
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The TALMUD

What a lovely book this is. Although I definitely by no means justify what people like Hitler did, this book plus the Protocols were the reasons why Hitler, George Washington, Martin Luther and many, many others from history wanted to hunt down the Jews.
Everything in this section of the article are from Jewish sources, so there is no reason to blame me for publishing this; it is already out in the open, although not well known. It is just a matter of connection the dots, folks.


If we return to the Protocols, there may still be some readers doubting their origins. If so, bear with me and you are soon going to change your minds. The following quotes are out of the Talmud (translated from a German version into English). Read them and you will understand why the barbarian Khazars were interested in suddenly becoming "Talmud Believers", and perhaps also why the Jews always have been hunted, wherever they have resided. Is there a reason behind it?
The scary part is that the Talmud is not some evil thing of the past; there are a lot of Jews who actually believe in this and live by it TODAY!
"Only the Jews are humans, the Non-Jews are no humans, but cattle"
(goyim = human cattle) [1 (http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/04.html#1)]
- Kerithuth 6b page 78, Jebhammoth 61a
"The Non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as slaves" [2 (http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/04.html#2)]
- Midrasch Talpioth 225
"The Non-Jews have to be avoided, even more than sick pigs"
- Orach Chaiim 57, 6a
"Sexual intercourse with Non-Jews is like sexual intercourse with animals"
- Kethuboth 3b
"The birth-rate of the Non-Jews has to be suppressed massively" [3 (http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/04.html#3)]
- Zohar II, 4b
"As you replace lost cows and donkeys, so you shall replace dead Non-Jews" [4 (http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/04.html#4)]
- Iore Dea 337,1
"To box an Israeli on the ear, is like to box on the ear of God"
- Sanhedrin 58b
"God (Jahveh) is never angry about the Jews, just about the Non-Jews"
- Talmud IV / 8 / 4a
"The human (the Jew) has to pray every day three times, because Jahveh didn't make him a goyim, not a female and not an ignorant"
- Talmud V / 2 / 43b + 44a
"Towards a Non-Jew the Jew doesn't cause an adultery... Punishable for the Jew is just the adultery towards his next, that means the wife of a Jew. The wife of the Non-Jew is excluded"
- Talmud IV / 4 / 52b
"There is no wife for the goyim, they really aren't their wives"
- Talmud IV / 4 / 81 + 82ab
"You (the Jews) have made me, Jahveh, the only true lord in the world, so I will make you the only ruler in the world"
"Who wants to be smart shall occupy himself with money matters, because there are no corner pillars in the Thora that are more important, because they are like a sparkling fountain"
- Talmud IV / 3 / 173b
"Jews always have to try to deceive Non-Jews" [5 (http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/04.html#5)]
- Zohar I, 168a
"Non-Jewish property belongs to the Jew who uses it first"
- Babba Bathra 54b
"If two Jews have deceived a Non-Jew, they have to split the profit"
- Choschen Ham 183,7
"Every Jew is allowed to use lies and perjury to bring a Non-Jew to ruin"
- Babba Kama 113a
"The possessions of the goyim are like an ownerless desert, and everybody (every Jew) who seizes it, has acquired it"
- Talmud IV / 3 / 54b
"The Jew is allowed to exploit the mistake of a Non-Jew and to deceive him"
- Talmud IV / 1 / 113b
"The Jew is allowed to practice usury on the Non-Jew" [6 (http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/04.html#6)]
- Talmud IV / 2 / 70b
"When the Messiah comes, all will be slaves of the Jews"
- Erubin 43b
"Whoever disobeys a Rabbi deserves death... Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell."
- Erubin 21b
"If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there"
- Moed Kattan 17a
"Non-Jews are Not Human. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men")
- Baba Mezia 114a-114b
"Jews are Divine. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God"
- Sanhedrin 58b
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews. A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work
- Sanhedrin 57a
"If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
- Baba Kamma 37b
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews
- Baba Mezia 24a
If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned
- (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b)
God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
- Sanhedrin 76a
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews. When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep
- Sanhedrin 57a
Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
- Baba Kamma 37b
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile
- Baba Kamma 113a
Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human. All Gentile children are animals
- Yebamoth 98a
Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth
- Abodah Zarah 36b
Gentiles prefer sex with cows
- Abodah Zarah 22a-22b
A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
- Sanhedrin 55b

A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
- Sanhedrin 54b

"When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
- Kethuboth 11b
"Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
- Sanhedrin 59a

"Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
- Abodah Zara 26b
"To communicate anything with a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."
- Libbre David 37

"Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is of three years of age."
- Yebhamoth 11b
"Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen. Christians are boiled in dung"
- Gittin 57a
"If it be proven that someone has given the money of israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of this earth."
- Choschen Ham 388, 15

"A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely if by so doing Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
- Choschen Ham 266, 1
See further: http://www.talmudlies.com/

Maybe now we can understand why we have had planned wars for hundred, yes, even thousands of years on this planet, and why the Illuminati don't care about millions of people of all races being killed in these wars. We need to understand that these people, having the power they have, are doing this out of belief that they are superior and have a divine right to rule over us 'goyim'. In the eyes of a Talmud believing Khazar-Jewish banker NO HUMAN dies in a war between countries, only goyim. And goyim, for those believing in the Mosaic Law (which you have just read about) the Non-Jews shouldn't be treated better than cattle, if even that.
You don't believe this? Ask a rabbi. Jan van Helsing, researcher and author of "Secret Societies and Their Power in the 20th Century" was one of those who did, and the answer he got was: "Of course! We are the chosen people! You are a goy (singular of goyim)."


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Wes Penre illuminati News

[eternal_spirit]

I also need to introduce you to an interview with a Mosaic Jew, way back in 1976, done by Walter White. It is called "The Harold Wallace Rosenthal Interview" and can be read here on the Illuminati News website (http://www.illuminati-news.com/rosenthal-interview.htm). It proves even further how arrogant and murderous those Jews in power are. Mr. Harold Wallace Rosenthal, then age 29, was the administrative assistant to Senator Jacob K. Javits of New York (d. 1986), another Mosaic Jew. But I warn you - it is a very disturbing reading!
The Talmud, the ultimate authority in Orthodox Judaism, plumbs the depths of moral and spiritual depravity. In the past, wherever they went, the Mosaic or Talmudic Jews became legendary for their crookedness and their diabolical ingenuity in taking advantage of those with whom they came in contact. They were both feared and despised. As a direct result of their chicanery they were expelled from one nation after another.
Am I too harsh and too outspoken on this subject? On the contrary, I could fill a thick book with more information on this, and perhaps I will one day, so I am only touching the surface here. To tell you the truth, American readers, a number of our 'glorified' forefathers were much more outspoken on this issue than even Adolf Hitler.
Benjamin Franklin:
"We must protect this young nation from any insidious influence... That menace, gentlemen, is the Jews. In whatever country Jews have settled in any great numbers, they have lowered its moral tone, depreciated its commercial integrity, have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated. They have sneered at and have tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within a state and have, when opposed, tried to strangle that country financially...
They are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and on other people not of their race.
If you do not exclude them from the United States in the Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed in in such numbers that they will doninate and devour the land and change our form of government... I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves."
George Washington, the first U.S. president:
"The Jews work more effectively against us than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in. It is much to be lamented that each state long ago has not hunted them down as pests to society and the greatest enemies we have to happiness in America" [7 (http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/04.html#7)]
Similar convictions are expressed in the writings of such notables as Charles Dickens, Mark Twain, among many others.
Some might say I am one of these Neo-Nazis, who wants to kill off all the Jews, just like Hitler did. This is not true at all. This article does not specifically relate to the Jewish people as a whole (I know people whom are Jewish and I also have Jewish acquaintances, and they are all very nice, caring and friendly). There is a significant difference between a Khazar, a Zionist, a Talmudist, the Hebrew Blood Alliance on the one side and an ordinary Jew in the street. I am only concerned about what is written in the Talmud, and about the fact that the Talmud IS APPLIED TODAY.

[kasalt]

Careful ES, there's quite a bit of forgery to be found on this issue. Such is the case with these quotes from Washington and Franklin.


Benjamin Franklin: "We must protect this young nation from any insidious influence... That menace, gentlemen, is the Jews. In whatever country Jews have settled in any great numbers, they have lowered its moral tone, depreciated its commercial integrity, have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated. They have sneered at and have tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within a state and have, when opposed, tried to strangle that country financially...
They are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and on other people not of their race.
If you do not exclude them from the United States in the Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed in in such numbers that they will doninate and devour the land and change our form of government... I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves."


The Franklin "Prophecy" -- Documenting a Fraud:
http://www.adl.org/special_reports/franklin_prophecy/franklin_documenting_fraud.asp


George Washington, the first U.S. president: "The Jews work more effectively against us than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in. It is much to be lamented that each state long ago has not hunted them down as pests to society and the greatest enemies we have to happiness in America" [7 (http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/04.html#7)]



http://www.snopes.com/quotes/thejews.htm

[runciter]

The Franklin "Prophecy" -- Documenting a Fraud:
http://www.adl.org/special_reports/franklin_prophecy/franklin_documenting_fraud.asp



sorry, couldn't you find a source that is not the adl? :)

i think you're right on this, but adl is fully unreliable imo.

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Ben hid 10 bodies under his house!!

In 1998, workmen restoring Franklin's London home dug up the remains of six children and four adults hidden below the home. The London Times reported on February 11, 1998:

"Initial estimates are that the bones are about 200 years old and were buried at the time Franklin was living in the house, which was his home from 1757 to 1762, and from 1764 to 1775. Most of the bones show signs of having been dissected, sawn or cut. One skull has been drilled with several holes. Paul Knapman, the Westminster Coroner, said yesterday: "I cannot totally discount the possibility of a crime. There is still a possibility that I may have to hold an inquest."

http://benfranklin.tribe.net/thread/510cda6f-3ee8-4ef1-86b4-9525f4ed28c4

[eternal_spirit]

I got suspicious of the typing error from the Franklin quote here (that they will doninate and devour the land and change our form of government.)

It's possible it's a forgery but that article is on the ADL site :rolleyes: And yes have heard about Franklin's alleged involvement with the Hell Fire Club and heard about the bodies found at one of his houses.. One story is murder of course (ritual) another goes something like this - he shared the place or he himself was working with a Doctor/medical student and they were disecting bodies experimenting, sounds unlikely.

[oiram]

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[kasalt]

sorry, couldn't you find a source that is not the adl? :)

i think you're right on this, but adl is fully unreliable imo.

I know what you mean. I would have preferred a more objective source myself, but IMO the ADL site did provide enough unbiased documentation to show that the Franklin quote is fraudulent.

I first came across those quotes almost a decade ago, and I also believed them to be authentic but it just isn't so. It can't be proven that they made those statements, but it can be proven that they made statements to the contrary. (They were Freemasons, after all.)

[runciter]

I got suspicious of the typing error from the Franklin quote here (that they will doninate and devour the land and change our form of government.)

It's possible it's a forgery but that article is on the ADL site :rolleyes: And yes have heard about Franklin's alleged involvement with the Hell Fire Club and heard about the bodies found at one of his houses.. One story is murder of course (ritual) another goes something like this - he shared the place or he himself was working with a Doctor/medical student and they were disecting bodies experimenting, sounds unlikely.


yes i agree with you on both: may be a forgery, but the zionists are big liars..

and benjamin franklin might have been a sort of "satanist", as far as we know.

[runciter]

I know what you mean. I would have preferred a more objective source myself, but IMO the ADL site did provide enough unbiased documentation to show that the Franklin quote is fraudulent.

I first came across those quotes almost a decade ago, and I also believed them to be authentic but it just isn't so. It can't be proven that they made those statements, but it can be proven that they made statements to the contrary. (They were Freemasons, after all.)

i don't expect freemasons to speak so harshly against jews.

well, there are some blatant exceptions, like henry ford.. :D

[eternal_spirit]

One of those "Divine Truths" from the TALMUD is the holy KOL NIDRE OATH (All Vows Prayer). It is recited thrice by the synagogue congregation as prologue to YOM KIPPUR rites,(The Day of Atonement) "The Highest of Holy Days". It has also been set to music by Felix Mendlessohn, JEW (Marrano). Most Christians, including the clergy, believe the KOL NIDRE OATH is a profound vow to God. In FACT the TALMUD demands that every JEW must break in advance all oaths and sworn declarations a JEW might make to a Gentile during the ensuing year:
"My promises shall not bind...my vows shall not be reckoned vows...nor my oath oaths...every vow which I make in the future shall be NUL from this Day of Atonement until the next." TALMUD: Kol Nidre Oath.



The TALMUD is the very foundation of JEWISH life. It is taught to JEWISH children as soon as they are old enough to read. RABBI MORRIS KERTZER, American JEWISH Committee.

The TORAH, then, was created to inspire and control a "stiff necked", defeated people; while the TALMUD was a pragmatic interpretation of that MYTH. High-placed Pharisees and priests, profoundly aware of the Jehovah HOAX, also understood that TORAH/TALMUDISM not only supported their life-styles, but was the glue that held together the Hebrew nation.

http://www.venusproject.com/ethics_in_action/Torah_Talmud_Protocols.html

[dorrax]

testing my account

[eternal_spirit]

testing my account
Hey lol all is working fine now.

[blessingandacurse]

Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

wtf:confused::(

This explains Woody Allen's behavior......

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

wtf:confused::(

This is a Distortion of the Truth. The Talmud is not the Holist Book in Judaism, The Tanakh; the Torah, the Prophets and the Writings are the Holiest Books in Judaism. You need some Judaism 101!

Let's clear up your confusion with what the Rabbis were actually discussing.

Pay attention ES!
http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/three.html
The Accusation
Yebhamot 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

The accusation here is quite nefarious. It implies that Judaism permits pedophilia, has no respect for women, and generally advocates loose sexual morals. To those familiar with the Talmud, this claim is patently ridiculous. However, the majority of people — particularly those making this claim — know little to nothing about the Talmud, its contents, or its methodology. On our website The Real Truth About The Talmud, we elaborate on these issues. However, for now, we will focus on the accusation at hand. It is, in fact, easily verified as being incorrect.

The Text
Talmud Ketuvot 11b (The citation mentioned is evidently in error. Talmud Yevamot 11b has no relevant passage)


Rav Yehudah said in the name of Rav: A male child who has relations with a female adult causes her to be like one who was injured with a stick... Rava said: This is what was meant - an adult male who has relations with a female child has not done anything because less than this [three years old] is like sticking a finger into an eyeball.

While those unused to these Talmudic discussions might be taken aback by the use of euphemisms, the discussion here relates to the dowry for virgins and non-virgins. It has nothing to do with what acts are allowed, encouraged, forbidden, or discouraged. It is, indeed, ironic that this passage has been manipulated from its original context of a financial discussion into one of a religious discussion. While there are numerous talmudic passages of a religious nature, this one discusses dowries and not forbidden and permitted relations!

The Talmud relates that a virgin is entitled a higher dowry. While the tell-tale sign of virginity is the release of blood due to the breaking of the hymen on the wedding night, there are occasions when the hymen has already been broken such as when the woman suffered an injury. The Talmud here quotes Rav Yehuda in the name of Rav that a sexual act with a male minor is not considered to be a loss of virginity because one of the participants is not fully active. While the female's hymen may have been broken, she has not engaged in what can be classified as a sexual act (although it is certainly child abuse).

The Talmud continues and quotes Rava as saying that a sexual act between a male adult and a female under the age of three is also not considered a loss of virginity (although it is child abuse). Since the girl is too young for her hymen to be broken, she is still considered a virgin.

Nowhere is the Talmud permitting such behavior. Sex outside of a marriage is strictly forbidden (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Ishut 1:4, Hilchot Na'arah Betulah 2:17; Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 26:1, 177:5) as is this obvious case of child abuse. The Talmud is only discussing ex post facto what would happen if such a case arose.

That non-marital sexual relations is prohibited is stated explicitly by Maimonides in the following passage from his ground-breaking legal code Mishneh Torah:

Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Ishut 1:4

Whoever has licentious relations with a woman without marriage bonds is lashed by biblical mandate.

The claim that the Talmud, or normative Judaism, permits sexual relations with a minor is almost entirely incorrect. The slight truth in it is that, in certain societies in history, people were sometimes married as young as ten. While this was most recently done in Czarist Russia in order to avoid being drafted into the Czar's army (which was made especially difficult for Jews), it is not currently done. However, even in that case, marriage is required before having sexual relations. Judaism as a religion prohibits sexual relations, indeed even minor touching such as holding hands, outside of marriage.

It is certainly true that there are individual Jews who do not follow the teaching of the Talmud. That is their personal choice, just like many Catholics choose to use birth control and have premarital relations despite their religion's teaching against it. This does not mean that Catholicism permits premarital relations and it does not mean that Judaism (and the Talmud) does either. The personal choices of people whether to follow completely their religion does not reflect on what their religion teaches. Similarly, the fact that certain Muslims drink alcohol and frequent prostitutes does not mean that their religion permits it. It means that these individuals choose to defy their religion.

We leave it to others to deduce why some people would make baseless accusations against the Talmud and, by implication, Judaism and Jews.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

The Real Truth About The Talmud

http://talmud.faithweb.com/

Talmud: The Real Truth About The Talmud

Talmud: Statement of Purpose
There are many lies circulating the internet about the Jewish Talmud. These allegations are supported by "direct quotations" from the Talmud that are frequently wrong or taken out of context. However, most people lack the scholarly background to verify these claims. Most people have no way of knowing that these accusation are false and malicious. What we are attempting is to demonstrate in detail how these accusations are both wrong and intentionally misleading. We are trying to show to the world the real truth about the Talmud.

Written by Gil Student

Recommended book:
The Complete Idiot's Guide to
Understanding the Talmud
"Our philosophy asserts that every human being is created in the image of the Lord and the primacy of integrity and honesty in all dealings without exception. I strongly repudiate any assertions in the name of Judaism that do not represent and reflect this philosophy."

- Rabbi Malkiel Kotler, dean of the world-renowned Lakewood Yeshiva, Dec. 16, 2003

Table Of Contents

About The Talmud
The Real Truth About The Talmud: Why does this site exist?
What Is The Talmud?: An explanation of the history and content of the Talmud
Talmud and Bible: Is the Talmud holier than the Bible?
Jewish People: Is Judaism a religion or a race?
To Tell The Truth: Are Jews commanded to lie about the Talmud?
Gentiles In Judaism: Where do gentiles fit into the Jewish world view?
What is a Jew? (Wikipedia entry)

Alleged Racism In The Talmud
Gentiles Are Human: The Talmud does not consider gentiles to be sub-human
Gentiles Are Human 2: The Talmud does not consider gentiles to be animals
Stealing From Gentiles: The Talmud forbids stealing from gentiles
Paying A Gentile's Wages: The Talmud prohibits Jews from withholding a gentile's wages
Tricking Gentiles: The Talmud forbids lying to gentiles
Killing Gentiles: The Talmud prohibits killing gentiles
Various Accusations: Refuting various accusations against the Talmud

Christianity In The Talmud
Introduction
Jesus In The Talmud: What, if anything, does the Talmud say about Jesus?
The Jesus Narrative: Does the Talmud's narrative of events correspond or differ from the Gospels'?
Christianity: What does the Talmud have to say about Christianity in general?

Jewish Holidays
Blood Libel: Jews never eat blood
Passover: The Passover Haggadah is not racist
Kol Nidrei: Permission to deceive?

Immorality In The Talmud
The Talmud Does Not Permit Sex With A Three Year Old
Sexual Morality in the Talmud: The Talmud's prudence
Rabbi Eleazar and the Prostitutes: The Full Story

Miscellaneous
Schindler's List: The source of the disputed quotation
Israel Shahak's Lie: "A Modern Blood Libel" by Rabbi Dr. Immanuel Jakobovits, former Chief Rabbi of the British Empire (Offsite)
"In The Image Of G-d": Gentiles are created in the image of G-d
"Goy": Is it a derogatory term used by Jews about gentiles?
Rabbi Soloveitchik: Refuting the slander against him
Ethics Of The Fathers: The section of the Mishnah dedicated to the favorite ethical sayings of the sages
Related Links
Recommended Reading

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

The Torah, the Holiest of Holy Books in Judaism

Here is the Essence of Judaism, a Monotheistic School of Thought
This is what Yahshua Messiah was taught by his parents Miriam and Yahseph. This is what Yahshua Messiah Taught.


http://www.jewfaq.org/brother.htm
Love and Brotherhood

Many people think of Judaism as the religion of cold, harsh laws, to be contrasted with Christianity, the religion of love and brotherhood. This is an unfair characterization of both Judaism and Jewish law. Love and kindness has been a part of Judaism from the very beginning. Pirkei Avot, a book of the Mishnah, teaches that the world is based on three things: on Torah (law), on service to G-d, and on g'milut chasadim (usually translated as "acts of lovingkindness"), perhaps drawing from Psalm 89:3, "the world is built on kindness" (more commonly translated as "forever is mercy built").

The Talmud says that g'milut chasadim is greater than tzedakah (charity), because unlike tzedakah, g'milut chasadim can be done for both poor and rich, both the living and the dead, and can be done with money or with acts. (Talmud Sukkah 49b). The Mishnah describes g'milut chasadim as one of the few things that one can enjoy the fruits in this world and the principal remains intact in the world to come.

A large part of Jewish law is about the relationship between man and his neighbors. The same body of Jewish law that commands us to eat only kosher food, not to turn on lights on Shabbat, and not to wear wool woven with linen, also commands us to love both Jews and strangers, to give tzedakah (charity) to the poor and needy, and not to wrong anyone in speech or in business. In fact, acts of lovingkindness are so much a part of Jewish law that the word "mitzvah" (literally, "commandment") is informally used to mean any good deed.

The Talmud tells a story of Rabbi Hillel, who lived around the time of Jesus. A pagan came to him saying that he would convert to Judaism if Hillel could teach him the whole of the Torah in the time he could stand on one foot. Rabbi Hillel replied, "What is hateful to yourself, do not do to your fellow man. That is the whole Torah; the rest is just commentary. Go and study it." Sounds a lot like Jesus' "Golden Rule"? But this idea was a fundamental part of Judaism long before Hillel or Jesus. It is a common-sense application of the Torah commandment to love your neighbor as yourself (Lev. 19:18), which Rabbi Akiba described as the essence of the Torah.

The true difference between Judaism and Christianity lies in Hillel's last comment: Go and study it. Judaism is not content to leave love and brotherhood as a general ideal, to be fulfilled as each individual sees fit. Judaism spells out, in intricate detail, how we are meant to show that love.

Jewish law includes within it a blueprint for a just and ethical society, where no one takes from another or harms another or takes advantage of another, but everyone gives to one another and helps one another and protects one another. Again, these are not merely high ideals; the means for fulfilling these ideals are spelled out in the 613 commandments.

Everyone knows that the Ten Commandments command us not to murder. The full scope of Jewish law goes much farther in requiring us to protect our fellow man. We are commanded not to leave a condition that may cause harm, to construct our homes in ways that will prevent people from being harmed, and to help a person whose life is in danger, so long as it does not put our own lives in danger. These commandments regarding the preservation of life are so important in Judaism that they override all of the ritual observances that people think are the most important part of Judaism.

We are commanded to help those in need, both in physical need and financial need. The Torah commands us to help a neighbor with his burden, and help load or unload his beast. See Treatment of Animals. We are required to give money to the poor and needy, and not to turn them away empty handed. See Tzedakah: Charity.

Jewish law forbids us from cheating another or taking advantage of another. Jewish law regarding business ethics and practices is extensive. It regulates conduct between a businessman and his customer (for example, not to use false weights and measures, not to do wrong in buying and selling, not to charge interest) and between a business man and his employee (to pay wages promptly, to allow a worker in the field to eat the produce he is harvesting, and not to take produce other than what you can eat from the employer while harvesting).

Entire books have been written on the subject of Jewish laws against wronging another person in speech. We are commanded not to tell lies about a person, nor even uncomplimentary things that are true. We are commanded to speak the truth, to fulfill our promises, and not to deceive others. See Speech and Lashon Ha-Ra.

Contrary to what many people think, most of these laws regarding treatment of others apply not only to our treatment of our fellow Jews, but also to our treatment of gentiles, and in many cases even to our treatment of animals. In fact, some of the laws instituted by the sages even extend kind treatment to inanimate objects. The bread on the Shabbat table is covered during the blessing over the wine, so that it's "feelings" are not hurt by having the wine take precedence over it. Of course, we do not believe that bread actually has feelings, but this practice helps to instill an enormous sensitivity to others. If we can show concern for a loaf of bread, how can we fail to show concern for our fellow man?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Yes es; Yahshua Messiah is Jewish/Hebrew and taught and endorsed Father Yahwehs Torah, the whole of the Tanakh, the Patriarchs and the Prophets.

What do you think of that?


Jesus Spoke Hebrew! Says Who?
by Dr. Roy B. Blizzard, Jr.
http://webbpage.bravehost.com/Yavo/1_2_Bliz_JesusSpokeHebrew.html#101
It has been almost four* years since our book Understanding the Difficult Words of Jesus by David Bivin and me first appeared. Since that time, it has become a "best seller," is in the process of being translated into Dutch and Spanish, and is about ready for the fourth printing.

In addition, the book has been reviewed in several major publications, and all of them have given it a good report. However, in spite of the wide circulation and publicity that it has enjoyed, many people continue to be amazed when they hear me state that Jesus spoke and taught in Hebrew. Those who have not read this book or who hear me speak for the first time frequently ask, "How do you know Jesus spoke and taught in Hebrew?"
This question was the very reason Mr. Bivin and I wrote the book.

And I think that it is important to note that the book was intentionally written in a style that the average reader could understand, and not principally for scholars. Almost every real criticism the book has received (in critical reviews) has been that it was written in a "popular style." Actually, Mr. Bivin and I take that as a compliment rather than a criticism, as it was our design and intent from the start that the book should be written in such a way that the average reader could understand it.
In Understanding the Difficult Words of Jesus, we present considerable evidence to conclusively establish that:

*Jesus spoke and taught in Hebrew;

Hebrew was the common language of the average person in Judea in jesus time.

*The Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) were all based on an original Life Story of Jesus that was written originally in Hebrew and not in Aramaic or in Greek.
http://www.godward.org/Hebrew%20Roots/did%20jesus%20speak%20hebrew.htm
There is every indication that Jesus learned Torah at a very early age and that he was fluent in the language and literature of the Sages. He passed through the same educational passages as did other Jewish boys his age. He grew up in the synagogue environment. At the age of twelve, he was already dazzling the Sages with his knowledge of Torah. Writes Flusser, "Jesus grew up in a home which was probably steeped in learning, and he probably studied with men who close to the world of the Sages" (Flusser, p. 39).

Why the Misunderstanding?
For all that is written and said about Jesus in Christian circles, the misunderstanding of who and what he was is staggering. Dr. Brad Young explains at least some of the reasons for this: "Although Jesus was Jewish, his theology is sometimes treated as if he were Christian. But Jesus never attended a church. He never celebrated Christmas. He never wore new clothes on Easter Sunday…Jesus worshipped in the synagogue. He celebrated the Passover. He ate kosher food. He offered prayers in the temple in Jerusalem. The Jewish religious heritage of Jesus impacted his life in every dimension of his daily experience.

"Jesus must be understood as a Jewish theologian. His theology is Jewish to the core…The attacks of the church against the synagogue have stripped Jesus of his religious heritage. As Christians we have been taught wrong prejudices about Jews and Judaism. Hatred for the Jewish people has erected a barrier separating Jesus from his theology…Jesus is Jewish both in his ethnic background and in his religious thought and practice" (Jesus the Jewish Theologian, p. xxxiv).

The figure of Jesus has been Hellenized, Westernized and even politicized in mainstream Christianity. Instead of viewing him in his authentic Jewish setting, the church has turned him into a very unJewish person. Replacement theology has robbed Christianity in general of an understanding of its Jewish origins and roots. Jesus’ religion was not Christianity as we know it today, it was Judaism. All of his rabbinic students (talmidim) grew up in the synagogues of Galilee.

In recent years, scholars in both Judaism and Christianity have been recognizing the importance of understanding the Jewishness of Jesus. Writes Prof. Marvin Wilson, "Recently…an almost uniform voice of both Christian and Jewish scholars strongly supports the Jewish background to the life and teachings of Jesus. Representative of this group is Rabbi Harvey Falk. He affirms that ‘Jesus of Nazareth…never wished to see his fellow Jews change one iota of their traditional faith. He himself remained an Orthodox Jew to his last moment" (Our Father Abraham, p. 116).

Summing Up
Many prominent scholars held out for the Aramaic theory, even after the evidence for Hebrew was piling high. Included in the holdouts were Gustaf Dalman, J.H. Moulton, W.F. Howard, Emil Schurer, Morton Ensilin, Matthew Black, Joachim Jeremias, Geza Vermes and others. Nigel Turner goes a step further, claiming that Jesus spoke a vitiated Greek not unlike that of the Septuagint. Unfortunately, many of these scholars formed their opinions before the Dead Sea Scroll discoveries were fully known and analyzed.

Dr. Lindsey, and the Jerusalem School, swam up stream when they advanced the idea that Hebrew, not Aramaic, was the language in which Jesus taught his disciples. They again went against the tide when they proposed that Mark was not the first Gospel, but that Luke, then Mark, and finally Matthew were composed in order – and that they used earlier documents as sources. Today, more and more scholars are jumping on the Hebrew bandwagon as evidence for that view mounts. Earlier we mentioned M.H. Segal as one of the first in this century to do so. Jehoshua Grintz was another who held out for Hebrew over Aramaic.


Dr. Brad Young, arguably the preeminent authority on Jesus’ parables, writes, "Since the linguistic medium of the rabbinic parables was Hebrew, it is only reasonable and at least a high probability that Jesus also employed Hebrew in telling his story illustrations and that they would have been recorded and preserved in the Hebrew language" (The Parables, by Brad Young).


Joseph Frankovic writes, "From the available evidence, it is almost certain that during the first century AD Hebrew as well as Aramaic, and to a lesser degree Greek were the spoken languages of the Jews in Israel.

"The question of the language in which Jesus primarily communicated to his people also involves the question of which language a biography of Jesus would have been originally recorded. Archaeological data and linguistic research are tipping the scales in favor of Hebrew. A recently published tenth-century Arabic document, which is partially based on an earlier fifth century Aramaic document, identifies the language of ‘the prophets,’ ‘Christ,’ and ‘the true Gospel’ as Hebrew. Furthermore, it excoriates the non-Jewish Christians for discarding Hebrew in favor of foreign languages not spoken by the Savior" ("An Introduction to the Research of Robert Lindsey – Part II: Synoptic Theory and Trends in NT Scholarship" by Joseph Frankovic, Yavo Digest, Vol. VII, No. 4, p. 12).

A Final Witness
In addition to the witnesses of the New Testament itself (Hebrew syntax in Greek text, Hebrew idiom, literalisms), archaeology, and linguistic scholarship, we also have that of the Church Fathers. Of them, Jean Carmignac says, "Eight early writers assert that Matthew wrote his Gospel in Hebrew: altogether there are over thirty formal assertions that this was so in the works of Papias, Hegesippus, Irenaeus, Origen, Eusebius of Caesarea, Cyril of Jerusalem, Epiphanius and Jerome" (Jean Carmignac, "Studies in the Hebrew Background of the Synoptic Gospels," Annual of the Swedish Theological Institute 7 (1968-69), p. 88.

The most important of these testimonies is that of Papias, a second century Church father: "Matthew recorded in the Hebrew language the words [of Jesus], and everyone interpreted them as he is able" (Grintz, p. 43, quoting Eusebius).

Dr. Brad Young sums up the importance of considering the Jewish background of Jesus’ life and teachings: "…without consideration of the Jewish parallels, the Gospels will forever be filtered through Western culture, and Jesus will be completely missed or greatly misunderstood…The world…including church leaders and outstanding scholars, often has missed Jesus. The original Jewish environment of his life promises to reveal a new vision of Jesus and his message" (Jesus the Jewish Theologian, p. xxxvi).

For Further Reading

Jesus the Jewish Theologian by Brad H. Young, Hendrickson, Peabody, MA 1995

Jesus Rabbi & Lord by Robert L. Lindsey, Cornerstone, Oak Creek, WI, 1990

Understanding the Difficult Words of Jesus by David Biven and Roy Blizzard, Destiny Image, Shippensburg, PA, 1995

Jewish Sources in Early Christianity by David Flusser, Adama Books, NY, 1987

Our Father Abraham by Marvin R. Wilson, Eerdmans, Grand Rapids, MI 1989

The Parables by Brad H. Young, Hendrickson, Peabody, MA, 1998

So, es, you are wiser than Yahshua Messiah?

[kasalt]

Culled from: http://www.iahushua.com/BeWise/dilling.html

What are these "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" which refuse to stay dead? What is a "protocol" anyway? In diplomacy, says the dictionary, protocols are "a signed document containing a record of the points on which agreement has been reached by negotiating parties preliminary to a final treaty or compact".

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are a program for the enslavement of the world and the destruction of the Christian religion above all. Their circulation incites atom bomb-like fury on the part of the people who today claim that their religion is Pharisaism. This statement, for example, in the "Universal Jewish Encyclopedia" (1943), is typical:
"The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break, thru all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent, of which a very great deal is still in existence. The TALMUD is the largest and most important single member of that literature. . . and the study of it is essential for any real understanding of PHARISAISM".
The basic doctrine is that only Pharisees are "MEN". Others rank as animals to be milked or beefed. Non-Pharisees, to quote are "the people who are like an ass - slaves who are considered the property of the master" (Kethuboth llla). They may be killed, their wages withheld, cheated, enslaved. 63 TALMUD books reek with these teachings. The protocols are mild by contrast.

It is true that the non-Pharisee - "animals" are called "GOYIM", and that Christ is taught - to be deserving of FIVE sadistic deaths - including Crucifixion. And this is the only, the supreme arbiter of religious "LAW" to the so-called Jew of today. Warnings abound that certain things must not be done if there is danger of "profaning the name" of the "Jewish" religion by making its real teachings known. Now we have the first complete English translation of the Tradition of the Pharisees, which is the BABYLONIAN TALMUD, declared complete in writing in Sura, Babylonia, in 500 AD. This is the Jewish-approved SONCINO translation, procurable thru Jewish bookstores for around $500. Christian clergy know no more about it than the parakeets chirping in my cage.

The overall spirit of both Talmud and Protocols is identical, namely that ANY means is justifiable to subdue "the people who are like an ass" - the GOYIM or non-humans. Naturally humans do not wish the animals to scamper about unfenced. They must be milked and beefed or their eggs taken, at the will of the MASTERS. Any resentment on the part of the non-Pharisee "animals" is always treated as "anti-Semitism", or "persecution of the JEWS". The Talmudic doctrine that it is sinless to cheat, lie, steal and murder if the subject be a goy is never disputed. Who are the peddlers of HATE? Why not a Senate report on this cause of world unrest?

The PROTOCOLS are merely a series of plans by which the "animals" may be lured into cowbarns for milking. They lack the smut, the blasphemy of Scripture, the Christ-hating properties of the TALMUD. Our statesmen speak in synagogues, Yeshivas and other institutions erected for the promulgation of the TALMUD!

The only reason in the world that B'nai B'rith and its Jewish leaders move heaven and hell to suppress the circulation of the Protocols is that they outline the positive program (set forth in the TALMUD, although unknown to Christians) which any observer may see is going on today...

It is dizzy work to read the conflicting tales concerning the origin of the Protocols in Jewish publications. Now, we taxpayers pay for another rehash by the Senate Committee. Now that the Soncino English translation of the TALMUD, endorsed by highest Pharisee authorities, is available at last to read, for the first time, anyone may see that the TALMUD is far filthier, more criminal and anti-Christ than the relatively pale Protocols ever were. Why deny an outline for accomplishing exactly what the whole TALMUD teaches? Why print the Talmud? Bold, indeed!

When Henry Ford printed the articles known as the "International Jew", the Talmudists went into hysteria. If you are interested in the gloatings on how Ford was brought to his knees presumably, and made to publicly apologize, one interesting source is Volume I of "LOUIS MARSHALL - Champion of Liberty - Selected Papers and Addresses", put out by the Jewish Publication Society of America in 1957.

LOUIS MARSHALL was one of Jacob Schiff's cohorts in founding the AMERICAN JEWISH COMMITTEE of world financial and industrial Jewish powers. A book could be written on the powers wielded by him and his sons and their communistic Marshall Foundation. In the "House Committee on Un-American Activities Dies Report: Communist Front Organizations", there are no less than 27 listings.

Back in 1938 and 1939 when I did considerable speaking in Detroit, I used to be entertained at the executives table at the Ford plant. Harry Bennett, personnel director for Henry Ford (who afterwards was cowed and wrote a pro-Jewish screed) ...described how the Jews had driven Ford off the road in his car in an effort to kill him and how his wife had plead with him to cease his Jewish exposures and live for her sake. For this reason he retracted.

Gloatingly, on p. 376 of Vol.1 of the Marshall book, is the statement extracted from Henry Ford. It is preceded by Marshall's communication with Sam Untermyer, etc. Ford's apology includes his plea that he had been too busy to know what was being printed in his Dearborn Independent and had delegated such duties to men he trusted but that he had no idea that the general nature" of the data on the Protocols had been so repulsive to Jewry. "Had I...I would have forbidden their circulation without a moment's notice, because I am fully aware of the virtues of the Jewish people as a whole. . . . " (and more praises).

Ford's statement goes on to state that: "I deem it my duty to make amends for the wrong done the Jews...by asking their forgiveness...by retracting the offensive charges laid at their door by these publications. . ." The publications are to be "withdrawn from circulation" and "that henceforth the Dearborn Independent will be conducted under such auspices that articles reflecting on the Jews will never again appear in its columns. Finally, let me add that this statement is made on my own initiative and wholly in the interest of right and justice.

This "retraction" was dated June 30, 1927.

How the Ford money and Foundation fell under the control of the Jews and their collectivist agencies is another story. FORD never changed his mind.

One may shrug off the Protocols as "forgeries" (of what?), but one cannot deny that the one supreme authority, the "LAW" of Talmudic Judaism is the Babylonian Talmud. Such top books put out by the Jewish Publication Society of America, adjunct of the World High Comman, the American Jewish Committee, as "The Messiah Idea in Jewish History", etc repeat the theme of the duty of WORLD power by the Talmudists whose religion is the Tradition of the Pharisees in written form. - -

"The New York World" of Feb. 17, 1921 published an interview with Mr. FORD, in the course of which he was asked: "Is your belief that the Jews are endeavoring to control the world based in any degree on the so-called PROTOCOLS... said to have been formulated by the Elders of Zion? You know, of course, that these have been denounced as forgeries or inventions. Do you believe they are genuine? He replied: "The only statement I care to make about the PROTOCOLS is that they fit in with what is going on. They are sixteen years old and have fitted the world situation up to this time. They fit it now."

I spoke over the Moody Bible Institute radio a number of times, at special meetings and in the Moody church. The Moody radio teacher of the Bible for many years was Mrs. Iris I. McCord who was a close and most beloved friend to her death. She told me of the incessant pressure being put on the head of the Moody Bible Institute, Dr. Gray, to disavow his belief that the Protocols are Jewry's plan in action. But in vain, although some of the incidents were most threatening. Dr. Gray steadfastly refused to change his position. The Moody Monthly for Sept. 1927 carried an article by him on the "apology", forced from Henry FORD by the then chief of the High Command American Jewish Committee, Louis MARSHALL. Dr. Gray wrote:

"This confession in our opinion is another link in the chain of prophecy. As we read it we were impressed that the great millionaire went further than the circumstances of the case required him to go. To put it another way, we do not believe the editor of the "Independent", Mr. Ford's paper, was either as foolish or as wicked as the confession of its proprietor would make him appear. We believe he had good grounds for publishing some of the things about the Jews which he did publish, and that whether Mr. Ford was aware of it or not he, Mr. Ford, might have found corroborative evidence thereof had he looked for it. Indeed, the pressure brought to bear upon Mr. Ford to make his confession was in itself such corroborative evidence. The pressure came from the Jews - all over the world, and in the face of it Mr. Ford was panic-stricken. He is one of the richest men in the world, and of course conscious of the power that money brings with it; but he was made to feel that the Jews' have more money and hence more power than he, and that in such a cause their money and their power can be quickly mobilized against an opponent, and with crushing consequences.

I knew Dr. Gray. At that time (l932-4) he understood the anti-Christ subversion role of the so-called Jew as I did not. Like the Christian ministry as a whole, however, he knew nothing of the Tradition of the Pharisees' Babylonian Talmud, its written form, which is the sole guide and authority of so-called Judaism today and since 70 A.D. Then the fall of the Jerusalem Temple, the disappearance of the Sadducees and departure of Scripture-believers...into Christianity, left the Pharisees in sole control of distorting and reversing Scripture, as Christ stated in such fiery terms (Matt. 23; John 8:37-44, etc, etc).

Dr. Gaebelein regarded the Protocols, like Dr. Gray, with respect. The brilliant Dr. Gaebelein was a guest in my home, presented me with his books, and we were entertained by him in New York. He also knew no more about the TALMUD than other clergy - which is nil. With the best intentions in the world, it would be interesting to find out how the two devout Christians came to publish, or at least to sign as co-editors, certain notes in the Schofield Bible. I might guess that they took the word of some "nice, sympathetic" Rabbi for the statements in the note to Matthew 3:7 and to Matthew 2:4. They were two of eight consulting editors.

The notes to Matt. 3:7 include this: "The Pharisees were strictly a sect...and took an obligation to remain true to the principles of Pharisaism. They were correct, moral, zealous and self-denying, but self-righteous (Luke 8:9), and destitute of the sense of sin and need".

If Drs. Gray and Gaebelein had ever read the sub-sewer filth and criminality of the Tradition of the Pharisees in its written form, the Babylonian Talmud, NOTHING could have made those sincere Christians put their name to a statement like that. Furthermore, if the above were true, then Christ was guilty of criminal libel!

The note to Matthew 2:4 is as nauseous. After defining the scribes as those who made copies of the Scriptures, is this: "To this legitimate work the scribes added a record of rabbinical decisions on questions of ritual" (Note: actually on questions of the supremacy of Oral law over Scriptural law, called Halachoth, singular, Halachah -ED) "the new code resulting from those decisions (MISHNA); the Hebrew sacred legends (GEMARA) forming with the MISHNA the TALMUD".

To call the thousands of pages of endless drivel, criminal filth on sub-sewer themes, which comprise the argumentation called GEMARA, "Hebrew sacred legends" is too nauseous to describe. If you will look-thru even 100 of the nearly 300 photostats in my "Plot Against Christianity", divided into Mishna and Gemara, not to speak of thousands of pages not reproduced from the Talmud, you would understand why I wrote "AWFUL" beside the footnotes described, in my copy of the Schofield Bible. If you need a mild stomach cleansing you might pick up a copy of the "Kitzur", or abbreviated, "Schuchan Aruch", or "Code of Jewish Law", originally compiled by the Talmudic specialist Joseph Caro, in 1565. It became, to quote the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, "the standard authoritative source for Judaism".

Chapters 4 and 5 of the condensation of Caro from the Talmud are devoted to the subject of how to behave in a privy--a product of "the reprobate mind" as Paul called it.

Telling big lies for the fun of it is called HAGADA. Talmudic passages describing God's big feet, his throwing an egg that covers 40 countries and playing with the fish part of each day - that is Hagada. A compilation of the manuscripts usually copied from teacher to pupil, on eye-gouging, grave robbing, blood-throwing voodoo-practices connected with the inter-related Cabal (spelled several ways) illuminates many things. This Cabalistic voodoo comprising the necromancy, witchcraft, etc, practices of paganism, forbidden by the Bible, is usually kept secret with teacher allowing pupil to copy directions directly.

"RITUAL MAGIC" by E.M. Butler-Schrode, Professor of German in, the University of Cambridge, compiled a sickening array of these manuscripts found in museums (Cambridge Univ. Press, 1949). Her lighthearted approach to this subject as an "intellectual" topic does not alter the formidable impact of the material. That communistic proponent of free love, BERTRAND RUSSELL, calls it, according to the paper cover of the book: "Delightful reading and highly informative". It is the latter.

Picture your own reaction after studying endless data on this subject, mostly from Jewish sources, to read the following Schofield Bible footnote which the innocent fundamental Christian ministers let go out under their sponsorship!

The note to Matthew 2:4 continues. After stating that the Mishna and Gemara together form the Talmud (which is correct) comes this: "commentaries on the O.T. (Midrashim); reasonings upon these (HAGADAH); and finally, mystical interpretations which found in Scripture meanings other than the grammatical, lexical, and obvious ones (the KABBALA); not unlike the allegorical method of Origen, or the modern Protestant 'spiritualizing interpretation'".

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Book Review: (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis.htm#Professor%20Israel%20Shahak)

When the Roman historian Tacitus pointed out 19 centuries ago that the Jews are unique among the peoples of the world in their intense hatred and contempt for all peoples but their own, he was only repeating what many other scholars had discovered before him. For the next 1,900 years other investigators came to similar conclusions, either from a study of the Jews' religious writings or from a study of the Jews' behavior toward non-Jews.

Professor Shahak writes with passion. He evidently feels that liberating Jews everywhere from the shackles of their misanthropic superstitions and freeing Israeli state policy in particular from the stifling influence of Judaism is a matter of some urgency. He focuses our attention especially on the inherent hatefulness of Judaism with citations from a number of Jewish religious writings.

In a chapter titled "The Laws against Non-Jews," he writes:
"...[T]he Halakhah, that is the legal system of classical Judaism -- as practiced by practically all Jews from the 9th century to the end of the 18th and as maintained to this very day in the form of Orthodox Judaism -- is based primarily on the Babylonian Talmud. However, because of the unwieldy complexity of the legal disputations recorded in the Talmud, more manageable codifications of talmudic law became necessary ... The most authoritative code, widely used to date as a handbook, is the Shulhan 'Arukh..."
He then cites the teaching of this code regarding homicide:
"According to the Jewish religion, the murder of a Jew is a capital offense and one of the three most heinous sins (the other two being idolatry and adultery). Jewish religious courts and secular authorities are commanded to punish, even beyond the limits of the ordinary administration of justice, anyone guilty of murdering a Jew ... When the victim is a Gentile, the position is quite different. A Jew who murders a Gentile is guilty only of a sin against the laws of Heaven, not punishable by a court. To cause indirectly the death of a Gentile is no sin at all.
"Thus, one of the two most important commentators on the Shulhan 'Arukh explains that when it comes to a Gentile, "one must not lift one's hand to harm him, but one may harm him indirectly, for instance by removing a ladder after he had fallen into a crevice ... there is no prohibition here, because it was not done directly." ...
"A Gentile murderer who happens to be under Jewish jurisdiction must be executed whether the victim was Jewish or not. However, if the victim was Gentile and the murderer converts to Judaism, he is not punished."
Then Shahak gives us a rabbi's answer to an Israeli soldier who has asked whether or not it is proper to kill Arab women and children. In his answer the rabbi quotes from the Talmud: "The best of the Gentiles -- kill him; the best of snakes -- dash out its brains."

Perhaps even more offensive are the Jewish beliefs on sexual matters. Shahak writes:
"Sexual intercourse between a married Jewish woman and any man other than her husband is a capital offense for both parties, and one of the three most heinous sins. The status of Gentile women is very different. The Halakhah presumes all Gentiles to be utterly promiscuous and the verse "whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue [of semen] is like the issue of horses" is applied to them... Therefore, the concept of adultery does not apply to intercourse between a Jewish man and a Gentile woman; rather the Talmud equates such intercourse to the sin of bestiality...
"According to the Talmudic Encyclopedia: "He who has carnal knowledge of the wife of a Gentile is not liable to the death penalty, for it is written: 'thy fellow's wife' rather than the alien's wife ... and although a married Gentile woman is forbidden to the Gentiles, in any case a Jew is exempted."
"This does not imply that sexual intercourse between a Jewish man and a Gentile woman is permitted -- quite the contrary. But the main punishment is inflicted on the Gentile woman; she must be executed, even if she was raped by the Jew: "If a Jew has coitus with a Gentile woman, whether she be a child of three or an adult, whether married or unmarried, and even if he is a minor aged only nine years and one day -- because he had willful coitus with her she must be killed, as is the case with a beast, because through her a Jew got into trouble.""
The Talmud's overriding concern with matters of money and property mirror that of the Jews, and Professor Shahak offers a number of hair-splitting examples of Jewish beliefs on the subject and the way in which distinctions are made between the property of Jews and Gentiles, and between Jewish dealings with another Jew and with a Gentile. Two of these examples will suffice here:
"If a Jew finds property whose probable owner is Jewish, the finder is strictly enjoined to make a positive effort to return his find by advertising it publicly. In contrast, the Talmud and all the early rabbinical authorities not only allow a Jewish finder to appropriate an article lost by a Gentile, but actually forbid him or her to return it...
"It is forbidden to defraud a Jew by selling or buying at an unreasonable price. However, "Fraud does not apply to Gentiles, for it is written: 'Do not defraud each man his brother'...""
Shahak points out that "the Halakhah interprets all such idioms [as 'each man his brother' or 'neighbor'] as referring exclusively to one's fellow Jew."

How have the Jews managed to keep teachings of this sort concealed from the Gentiles among whom they live? The truth of the matter is that they have not always been able to do so. Luther was not the only Christian scholar who learned Hebrew, peered into the Talmud, and was horrified by what he saw. Sometimes the Jews were able to bribe the Christian authorities to overlook such things, but throughout the later Middle Ages there were prohibitions and burnings of talmudic literature by outraged popes and bishops. The Jews developed a clever system of double bookkeeping to circumvent such "persecution". They modified or deleted the offending passages from new editions of the Talmud, and they made up a separate compendium -- Talmudic Omissions, or in Hebrew Hesronot Shas -- which circulated surreptitiously among the rabbis. In Israel today, feeling cocky enough to dispense with most such deceptions, the Jews are putting the passages which formerly had been omitted or modified back into the latest editions of the Talmud or the Shulhan 'Arukh in their original form. They are still careful with translations into Gentile tongues, however.

Available online:

Jewish History, Jewish Religion: (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis1.htm#Jewish%20History,%20Jewish%20Religion: )

The Weight of Three Thousand Years

by Professor Israel Shahak

Contents:
Foreword by Gore Vidal (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis1.htm#Foreword)
A Closed Utopia? (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis1.htm#A Closed Utopia?)
Prejudice and Prevarication (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis2.htm#Prejudice and Prevarication)
Orthodoxy and Interpretation (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis3.htm#Orthodoxy and Interpretation)
The Weight of History (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis4.htm#The Weight of History)
The Laws against Non-Jews (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis5.htm#The Laws Against Non-Jews)
Political Consequences (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis6.htm#Political Consequences)
Notes and References (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis7.htm#Notes and References)

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A (http://www.comeandhear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_54.html) + B (http://www.come-and-hear.com/kethuboth/kethuboth_11.html) = C (http://74.53.136.166/18474/2008/07/24/stamford-hill-london-%E2%80%93-williamsburg-controversial-activist-hackled-flees-to-get-police-protection/)

if

"A" = Sanhedrin 54b (http://www.comeandhear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_54.html):

Our Rabbis taught: In the case of a male child, a young one is not regarded as on a par with an old one...23 (http://www.comeandhear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_54.html#54b_23) What is meant by this? — Rab said: Pederasty with a child below nine years of age is not deemed as pederasty with a child above that. Samuel said: Pederasty with a child below three years is not treated as with a child above that.24 (http://www.comeandhear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_54.html#54b_24) What is the basis of their dispute? — Rab maintains that only he who is able to engage in sexual intercourse, may, as the passive subject of pederasty throw guilt [upon the active offender]; whilst he who is unable to engage in sexual intercourse cannot be a passive subject of pederasty [in that respect].25 (http://www.comeandhear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_54.html#54b_25)
Footnotes: Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum. At nine years a male attains sexual matureness. Thus the point of comparison is the sexual matureness of woman, which is reached at the age of three.

"B" = Kethuboth 11 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/kethuboth/kethuboth_11.html):

IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE, INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE. It was asked, Do the features of virginity disappear and reappear again or is it possible that they cannot be completely destroyed until after the third year of her age? In what practical respect could this matter? — In one, for instance, where her husband had intercourse with her before the age of three and found blood, and when he had intercourse after the age of three he found no blood. If you grant that they disappear and reappear again [it might well be assumed] that there 'was not sufficient time for their reappearance, but if you maintain that they cannot be destroyed until after the age of three years it would be obvious that a stranger cohabited with her. Now what is your decision? — R. Hiyya son of R. Ika demurred: But who can tell us that a wound inflicted within the three years is not healed forthwith, seeing it is possible that it is immediately healed and it would thus be obvious that a stranger had cohabited with her? Rather the practical difference is the case, for instance, where her husband had intercourse with her while she was under three years of age and found blood and when he had intercourse after the age of three he also found blood. If you grant that the features disappear and reappear again the blood might well be treated as that of virginity, but if you maintain that they cannot be destroyed until after the age of three years, that must be the blood of menstruation. Now what is your decision? — R. Hisda replied, Come and hear: IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE, INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE; what need was there to state, LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE' instead of merely saying: IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE, INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS of no consequence'? Does not this then teach us that as the eye tears and tears again so do the features of virginity disappear and reappear again.
Our Rabbis taught: It is related of Justinia the daughter of 'Aseverus son of Antonius that she once appeared before Rabbi 'Master', she said to him, 'at what age may a woman marry?'. 'At the age of three years and one day', he told her. 'And at what age is she capable of conception?' 'At the age of twelve years and one day', he replied. 'I', she said to him, 'married at the age of six and bore a child at the age of seven; alas for the three years that I have lost at my father's house'. But can a woman conceive at the age of six years? Did not R. Bibi recite in the presence of R. Nahman: Three classes of woman may use an absorbent in their marital intercourse: A minor, and an expectant and a nursing mother. The minor, because otherwise she might become pregnant and die. An expectant mother, because otherwise she might cause her foetus to degenerate into a sandal. A nursing mother, because otherwise she might have to wean her child prematurely, and this would result in his death. And what is the age of such a 'minor'? From the age of eleven years and one day to the age of twelve years and one day. One who is under or over this age must carry on her marital intercourse in a normal manner; so R. Meir. But the Sages ruled: The one as well as the other carries on her marital intercourse in a normal manner and mercy will be vouchsafed from heaven, for it is said in Scripture, The Lord preserveth the simple

and "C" = http://74.53.136.166/18474/2008/07/24/stamford-hill-london-%E2%80%93-williamsburg-controversial-activist-hackled-flees-to-get-police-protection/

"Rabbi Nochum Rosenberg of Brooklyn, New York, and a controversial figure in its Williamsburg-neighborhood Chasidic community, was physically accosted this evening by dozens of angry Chasidim in London's Stamford Hill...due to his newly-adopted personal crusade against an internal communal problem which he claims goes ignored and untreated in the Orthodox community: molestation of children."


See also: http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2008/11/was-rabbi-nochu.html

And there is no doubt Rosenberg has been threatened and attacked. Late this summer in London, he was saved from an angry mob of hasidim by a passing police car, and the incident – including police eyewitness testimony – made the British papers.
Rosenberg has been under intense pressure to give up his anti-molestation campaign. There is also no doubt the police have done little to protect him...
There is no doubt Rabbi Rosenberg was threatened and continues to be threatened because he dared to tell abused children to call the police.
In the end, that is what is important.

It may look like algebra at first glance, but it's really just basic mathematics.

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Found the real name of jews god in its true tetragrammaton form:

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or starting from orient

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or the version for Christians

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Like currencies, jews god is just virtual!!!


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Related Link:
www.come-and-hear.com (http://www.come-and-hear.com/)

Come-and-Hear is: "A secular and pragmatic view of Talmud law as it advances into American law and society." Read: "America Under the Talmud: Will It Work for US? by Carol A. Valentine — Each essay is amply documented by hotlinks to the Talmud and other Rabbinical/Judaic sources. Learn what Talmud law says about: Religious Freedom; Atrocities & Just War; Animal Sacrifice and Blood Ritual; The Death Penalty; Marriage & Divorce; Sexual Fulfillment; Pederasty and Homosexuality; Polygamy; The Special Place of Gentiles" Also features is: "The Babylonian Talmud — A searchable hypertext version of the Jews' College (London) translation of the Babylonian Talmud, published through Soncino Press between 1935 and 1948: Tractates Sanhedrin, Berakoth, Shabbath, Yebamoth, Kethuboth, Nedarim, Nazir, Sotah, Gittin, Baba Kamma, Baba Mezi'a, Baba Bathra, Abodah Zarah, Horayoth, Niddah, and Tohoroth. This was the first complete English translation, produced by the most authoritative Judaic scholars in the world. It is the gold standard of English Talmuds, but chances are you won't find it in your local public library."

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/calendar.html

more links and other info

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Babylonian Talmud, Yebamoth 60:R. Simeon b. Yohai stated: A proselyte who is under the age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest,13 (http://comeandhear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_60.html#60b_13) for it is said, But all the women children that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves14 (http://comeandhear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_60.html#60b_14) ...It is written, Kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him,20 (http://comeandhear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_60.html#60b_20) but if she hath not known, save her alive; from this it may be inferred that children are to be kept alive whether they have known or have not known [a man]; and, on the other hand, it is also written, But all the women children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves,14 (http://comeandhear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_60.html#60b_14) but do not spare them if they have known. Consequently21 (http://comeandhear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_60.html#60b_21) it must be said that Scripture speaks of one who is fit22 (http://comeandhear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_60.html#60b_22) for cohabitation.

...There was a certain town in the Land of Israel the legitimacy of whose inhabitants was disputed, and Rabbi sent R. Romanos who conducted an enquiry and found in it the daughter of a proselyte who was under the age of three years and one day,38 (http://comeandhear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_60.html#60b_38) and Rabbi declared her eligible to live with a priest.
(Source: http://comeandhear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_60.html )


Yebamoth 57b (http://www.come-and-hear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_57.html): "A girl who is three years of age and one day may be betrothed by cohabitation..."

Sanhedrin 55b (http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_55.html): "A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition..."

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See what the Jewish Congress has in mind for the United States of the Jurisdiction of Israel, enforced by the Great Sanhedrin of the Babylonian Talmudic Rabbi's and their Noachide Courts of Justice unto their god, Baal which they serve.
http://www.samliquidation.com/images/chabad2.jpg (http://www.samliquidation.com/chabad_5a.htm)
http://www.samliquidation.com/chabad_5a.htm

I am anti Chabad Lubavitch Sofiet Babylonian Talmudic Pharisaic Rabbi Jews who are liars, and are no true Jews, son of the synagogues of Satan.
http://www.samliquidation.com/falsechrist.htm

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Another important Jewish text besides the Tanakh is the Talmud, a collection of rabbinical writings that interpret, explain and apply the Torah scriptures. The Talmud was written between the second and fifth century CE, but Orthodox Jews believe it was revealed to Moses along with the Torah and preseved orally until it was written down. The Talmud is thus known as the "Oral Torah," with the first five books of the Tanakh designated the "Written Torah."
Role of the Talmud in Judaism

In Orthodox Judaism, the Oral Torah is accepted as equally sacred, inspired, and authoritative as the Written Torah. One of the aims of Orthodox Judaism in Israel is to establish Talmudic law as the state law of Israel. Elsewhere in the world, Orthodox Jews submit themselves voluntarily to Talmudic law and the rabbinic court system, especially in matters of dietary and ritual law, marriage and divorce, and social work.
The Talmud also plays an important role in Conservative Judaism, although it is viewed as an evolutionary process that changes with the times. Both professional and lay Talmudic scholarship is dedicated to determining the proper response to modern issues by intensive study of the Talmud. Reform Judaism officially rejects the Talmud as an entirely human invention reflecting medieval thought and values.



In 1923, Polish Rabbi Meir Shapiro organized the Daf Yomi ("the daily page") for a group of students, in which one page of the Talmud is studied each day. This took 2,711 days - about seven and a half years.
The Daf Yomi has since been undertaken by thousands of Jews around the world, and in 1997 a global celebration was held to celebrate the completion of the 10th cycle of readings. Over 70,000 took part in the celebration, which gathered at the locations around the world connected by satellite, including Madison Square Garden, Nassau Coliseum, Eugene, Oregon, and Sao Paulo, Brazil. Current Daf Yomi groups, now embarked on the 11th cycle of readings, can be found around the globe and the daily reading is available on the Internet (http://www.dafyomi.org/).
Organization of the Talmud

There are actually two Talmuds: the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud. The former was composed circa 500 CE and the latter was completed around 600 CE. By the 11th century, the Babylonian Talmud had established supremacy and today it is the one that is meant by "the Talmud." Thus it is the one on which we will concentrate.
The Talmud consists of two parts: the Mishnah and the Gemara. The Mishnah is rabbinic commentary on the Torah and the Gemara is rabbinic commentary on the Mishnah.
Mishnah

The Mishnah ("a teaching that is repeated") is organized as a law book, and consists of legal rulings and teachings by rabbis of the first through third centuries CE. It was codified by Rabbi Judah Ha-Nasi around 200 CE and divided into "six orders," or shisha sedarim in Hebrew (the Talmud is known colloquially as "shas" for short), each of which addresses a different aspect of Jewish life:


Zera'im ("Seeds") - blessings, tithes, temple offerings, agriculture
Mo'ed ("Set Feasts") - Sabbath laws and holiday observances
Nashim ("Women") - marriage and divorce
Nezikin ("Damages") - idolatry, matters of civil law, and the Pirke Avot
Kodashim ("Holy Things") - sacrificial system in the Temple, dietary laws
Tohorot ("Purities") - ritual purity and impurity

Each Order contains seven to twelve subdivisions called tractates (masekhtot). There are a total of 63 tractates in the Mishnah: see the Fast Facts (http://www.religionfacts.com/judaism/fastfacts.htm) page for a list of them. The tractates are further divided into chapters. The most commonly read tractate is the Pirke Avot (Sayings of the Fathers), a collection of ethical rules.
Gemara

The Gemara ("completion") is primarily a commentary on the Mishnah. Like the Mishnah, it contains matters of Jewish law (halakhah), but it also includes stories, legends, and sermons (aggadah, "discourse").
References



"Talmud and Midrash." Encyclopædia Britannica. Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service (http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=108161) (2004).
Essential Judiasm: A Complete Guide to Beliefs, Customs and Rituals by George Robinson (Pocket Books, 2000).
"Torah, Torah, Torah: The Unfolding of a Tradition." [URL="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0764552996/ref=nosim?tag=religionfacts-20&link_code=as3&creativeASIN=0764552996&creative=373489&camp=211189"]Judaism for Dummies (Hungry Minds, 2001).
Tracey R. Rich, [URL="http://www.jewfaq.org/torah.htm"]"Torah." (http://www.amazon.com/dp/0671034812/ref=nosim?tag=religionfacts-20&link_code=as3&creativeASIN=0671034812&creative=373489&camp=211189) Judaism 101 (1995-99).

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Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
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The Protocol Serpent

Here we go again! I don't know how many times these horrific Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion have been discussed on the Internet, in books, in videos and elsewhere. They first became widely known in 1901, when they fell into the hands of the Russian Professor S. Nilus. He published them under the title "The Jewish Peril". Then, in 1921 VIctor Marsden translated them into English under link here > "THE PROTOCOLS OF THE LEARNED ELDERS OF ZION (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion2.htm#PROTOCOL%20No.%201)".
Understandably, the Protocols created rage, fear, disbelief and any other strong emotions you can think of, because they are so incredibly evil and they target people like you and I. The authors of the Protocols want us all dead or enslaved!
The next public reaction was denial; no one can be that vicious. Just because it is so hard for people to comprehend such evil, it was an easy task for the Zionists to spread the rumors that the Protocols were forgeries, made up by someone to blame the Jews and put them in a situation where people would hate them. Many people took this to heart without doing any deeper research, simply because it was more convenient, and hopefully the threat would 'disappeared'.
Now I have to disappoint those who bought the lie that the Protocols are forgeries. They are not! There is evidence they are authentic, and I will show them to you:
1. Almost everything that is written in the Protocols have become reality or is well on its way to be! If you don't believe me, read them again - very carefully. You will clearly see that the Protocols are implemented all over the world - TODAY.
2. The Protocols are of Jewish origins! How do I know? Because they are all blueprints to implement the teachings of the Talmud, the Jewish Sacred Scripture! Again, if you don't believe me, read the Talmud! Everything that is written in the Protocols is also written in the Talmud. To prove my point, I am going to quote from this unbelievably evil book under the next section, and you will see.
3. Some may say the Protocols are written by Zionists, which is a political "Jewish" movement, contrary to Judaism, which is a religion, something totally different. WRONG! First of all, Zionism has only been around since the late 1800's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism#The_Historic_and_Religious_Origins_of_Zion ism), while the Talmud was written down Talmud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, but the oral version of the Jewish law goes back way further, to old Babylon and even further back. This means that though the Protocols were written fairly recently, the ideas behind them go back thousands of years.
The above statements should prove my point, especially after you have read the next section:

The Talmud
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The TALMUD

What a lovely book this is. Although I definitely by no means justify what people like Hitler did, this book plus the Protocols were the reasons why Hitler, George Washington, Martin Luther and many, many others from history wanted to hunt down the Jews.
Everything in this section of the article are from Jewish sources, so there is no reason to blame me for publishing this; it is already out in the open, although not well known. It is just a matter of connection the dots, folks.


If we return to the Protocols, there may still be some readers doubting their origins. If so, bear with me and you are soon going to change your minds. The following quotes are out of the Talmud (translated from a German version into English). Read them and you will understand why the barbarian Khazars were interested in suddenly becoming "Talmud Believers", and perhaps also why the Jews always have been hunted, wherever they have resided. Is there a reason behind it?
The scary part is that the Talmud is not some evil thing of the past; there are a lot of Jews who actually believe in this and live by it TODAY!
"Only the Jews are humans, the Non-Jews are no humans, but cattle"
(goyim = human cattle) [1 (http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/04.html#1)]
- Kerithuth 6b page 78, Jebhammoth 61a
"The Non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as slaves" [2 (http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/04.html#2)]
- Midrasch Talpioth 225
"The Non-Jews have to be avoided, even more than sick pigs"
- Orach Chaiim 57, 6a
"Sexual intercourse with Non-Jews is like sexual intercourse with animals"
- Kethuboth 3b
"The birth-rate of the Non-Jews has to be suppressed massively" [3 (http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/04.html#3)]
- Zohar II, 4b
"As you replace lost cows and donkeys, so you shall replace dead Non-Jews" [4 (http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/04.html#4)]
- Iore Dea 337,1
"To box an Israeli on the ear, is like to box on the ear of God"
- Sanhedrin 58b
"God (Jahveh) is never angry about the Jews, just about the Non-Jews"
- Talmud IV / 8 / 4a
"The human (the Jew) has to pray every day three times, because Jahveh didn't make him a goyim, not a female and not an ignorant"
- Talmud V / 2 / 43b + 44a
"Towards a Non-Jew the Jew doesn't cause an adultery... Punishable for the Jew is just the adultery towards his next, that means the wife of a Jew. The wife of the Non-Jew is excluded"
- Talmud IV / 4 / 52b
"There is no wife for the goyim, they really aren't their wives"
- Talmud IV / 4 / 81 + 82ab
"You (the Jews) have made me, Jahveh, the only true lord in the world, so I will make you the only ruler in the world"
"Who wants to be smart shall occupy himself with money matters, because there are no corner pillars in the Thora that are more important, because they are like a sparkling fountain"
- Talmud IV / 3 / 173b
"Jews always have to try to deceive Non-Jews" [5 (http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/04.html#5)]
- Zohar I, 168a
"Non-Jewish property belongs to the Jew who uses it first"
- Babba Bathra 54b
"If two Jews have deceived a Non-Jew, they have to split the profit"
- Choschen Ham 183,7
"Every Jew is allowed to use lies and perjury to bring a Non-Jew to ruin"
- Babba Kama 113a
"The possessions of the goyim are like an ownerless desert, and everybody (every Jew) who seizes it, has acquired it"
- Talmud IV / 3 / 54b
"The Jew is allowed to exploit the mistake of a Non-Jew and to deceive him"
- Talmud IV / 1 / 113b
"The Jew is allowed to practice usury on the Non-Jew" [6 (http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/04.html#6)]
- Talmud IV / 2 / 70b
"When the Messiah comes, all will be slaves of the Jews"
- Erubin 43b
"Whoever disobeys a Rabbi deserves death... Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell."
- Erubin 21b
"If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there"
- Moed Kattan 17a
"Non-Jews are Not Human. Only Jews are human ("Only ye are designated men")
- Baba Mezia 114a-114b
"Jews are Divine. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God"
- Sanhedrin 58b
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews. A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work
- Sanhedrin 57a
"If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
- Baba Kamma 37b
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews
- Baba Mezia 24a
If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned
- (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b)
God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
- Sanhedrin 76a
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews. When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep
- Sanhedrin 57a
Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
- Baba Kamma 37b
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile
- Baba Kamma 113a
Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human. All Gentile children are animals
- Yebamoth 98a
Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth
- Abodah Zarah 36b
Gentiles prefer sex with cows
- Abodah Zarah 22a-22b
A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
- Sanhedrin 55b

A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
- Sanhedrin 54b

"When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
- Kethuboth 11b
"Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
- Sanhedrin 59a

"Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
- Abodah Zara 26b
"To communicate anything with a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."
- Libbre David 37

"Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is of three years of age."
- Yebhamoth 11b
"Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen. Christians are boiled in dung"
- Gittin 57a
"If it be proven that someone has given the money of israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of this earth."
- Choschen Ham 388, 15

"A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely if by so doing Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
- Choschen Ham 266, 1
See further: http://www.talmudlies.com/

Maybe now we can understand why we have had planned wars for hundred, yes, even thousands of years on this planet, and why the Illuminati don't care about millions of people of all races being killed in these wars. We need to understand that these people, having the power they have, are doing this out of belief that they are superior and have a divine right to rule over us 'goyim'. In the eyes of a Talmud believing Khazar-Jewish banker NO HUMAN dies in a war between countries, only goyim. And goyim, for those believing in the Mosaic Law (which you have just read about) the Non-Jews shouldn't be treated better than cattle, if even that.
You don't believe this? Ask a rabbi. Jan van Helsing, researcher and author of "Secret Societies and Their Power in the 20th Century" was one of those who did, and the answer he got was: "Of course! We are the chosen people! You are a goy (singular of goyim)."


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The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism.

I'm sorry but the article starts off with a complete and total lie. The author is either a moron who did no research or a lying sack of garbage out to deceive people.

The Talmud is just commentary on the Torah and the prophets. It's considered instructive, but all the Jews I've spoken to about it take it with a grain of salt. It contains the opinions of revered Rabbis, but is not considered God's word. The Jewish faith has a long tradition of debate and discussion about the Torah, and the Talmud is often used as a starting point. The Talmud also records numerous debates and discussions and in so doing will outlines opposing views.

By the way, Jesus of Nazareth isn't actually mentioned in the Talmud. People cooked up that claim based upon similar names, and by insisting other names were "code" for Jesus of Nazareth.

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesusnarr.html

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Hoffman has been researching a long time, he's no fool. Look at his sources.

The closest to the Talmud in any other religions seems to be like the Hadiths and Shariah Laws of Islam, what I mean is it's the Priesthood's interpretations. And that is what's taught and followed by Muslims same as Jews are taught by Rabbis who teach Talmud.

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Hoffman has been researching a long time, he's no fool. Look at his sources.

Regardless of how long he claims to have been researching this topic or the sources he claims to have used, the information you quoted is flat out wrong.

The closest to the Talmud in any other religions seems to be like the Hadiths and Shariah Laws of Islam, what I mean is it's the Priesthood's interpretations. And that is what's taught and followed by Muslims same as Jews are taught by Rabbis who teach Talmud.

Pretty much all religions have commentary written by noteworthy scribes. St Francis of Assisi and Martin Luther would be two examples in Christendom. Comparing the Talmud to Shariah law is a flawed analogy, as the Talmud is very clearly presented as the OPINION of fallible human beings, not holy writ.

As a side note, Rabbis are NOT priests. Most the Jews I've spoken to about religion consider the abolition of the Priesthood to be one of the best things to happen to Judaism. Rabbis are not priests, interpreting God's word or interceding on behalf of the unwashed masses. A Rabbi is merely a teacher, a man or woman who has studied Torah and the prophets and has the insights born of that research and study. People are encouraged to debate the Rabbi, to argue and ask questions. The Talmud was not written by priests, but by Rabbis.

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halleyscomet
Regardless of how long he claims to have been researching this topic or the sources he claims to have used, the information you quoted is flat out wrong.

His sources are from Jews, what better authority? their own texts/words.


Pretty much all religions have commentary written by noteworthy scribes. St Francis of Assisi and Martin Luther would be two examples in Christendom. Comparing the Talmud to Shariah law is a flawed analogy, as the Talmud is very clearly presented as the OPINION of fallible human beings, not holy writ.

You mis-understood as I imagined someone would. Talmud is the same as Shariah and Hadiths (Priesthood's interpretations of religious texts) that was my point.


As a side note, Rabbis are NOT priests. Most the Jews I've spoken to about religion consider the abolition of the Priesthood to be one of the best things to happen to Judaism. Rabbis are not priests, interpreting God's word or interceding on behalf of the unwashed masses. A Rabbi is merely a teacher, a man or woman who has studied Torah and the prophets and has the insights born of that research and study. People are encouraged to debate the Rabbi, to argue and ask questions. The Talmud was not written by priests, but by Rabbis.


I used the word Priesthoods as a way of encompassing the holy men of all religions saves typing Imam, Rabbi etc. So they are all Priests of a Priesthood, Rabbis are just a new name for the Jewish Pharisees.

Circumcision is usually performed by the Moel/Rabbi, this is their Covenant with Israel and their God Yahweh, Adonai, Shaddai, Jehovah they are all different words for the same God.

I am starting to think that the Talmud is taught and taken seriously to some Jews and not others.

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I'm sorry but the article starts off with a complete and total lie. The author is either a moron who did no research or a lying sack of garbage out to deceive people.

The Talmud is just commentary on the Torah and the prophets. It's considered instructive, but all the Jews I've spoken to about it take it with a grain of salt. It contains the opinions of revered Rabbis, but is not considered God's word.

There are different sects of Judaism, and some sects view the Talmud as being on a par with the Torah, while others reject it entirely (i.e., Karaite Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

"According to Rabbinic Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, the oral Torah, oral Law, or oral tradition was given by God orally to Moses in conjunction with the written Torah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. The Mishnah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is the record of the oral Torah."

"According to Rabbinic tradition, Moses and the Israelites received an oral as well as the written Torah ("teaching") from God at Mount Sinai. The books of the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) were relayed with an accompanying oral tradition passed on by each generation. Jewish law and tradition thus is not based on a strictly literal reading of the Tanakh, but on combined oral and written traditions."

Source: Oral Torah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Comparing the Talmud to Shariah law is a flawed analogy, as the Talmud is very clearly presented as the OPINION of fallible human beings, not holy writ.

"Strangely enough, the Oral Law today is a written law, codified in the Mishna and Talmud (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/talmud_&_mishna.html). Orthodox Judaism (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/ortho.html) believes that most of the oral traditions recorded in these books dates back to God's revelation to Moses (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/moses.html) on Mount Sinai. When God gave Moses the Torah, Orthodoxy teaches, He simultaneously provided him all the details found in the Oral Law. It is believed that Moses subsequently transmitted that Oral Law to his successor, Joshua, who transmitted it to his successor, in a chain that is still being carried on (Ethics of the Fathers 1:1).
"Given this chain of authority, one might wonder why the Mishna and Talmud (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/talmud_&_mishna.html) are filled with debates between rabbis; shouldn't they have all been recipients of the same, unambiguous tradition? Orthodox teachers respond that the debates came about either because students forgot some of the details transmitted by their teachers, or because the Oral Law lacks specific teachings on the issue being discussed."
Source: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Oral_Law.html

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Bush Approves Talmudization of America

The Jerusalem Post reported the November 2002 kosher dinner as follows:Jewish legal experts have created a new institute that will educate jurists and others about 2,000 years of Jewish law and promote the application of the teachings to contemporary legal disputes and other modern- day issues …

US President George W. Bush sent greetings and applauded the institute for promoting an "understanding of Judaism's rich tradition of legal thought."

"As we face new challenges and welcome new opportunities, our society must continue to promote good character and strong values. Through the study and teaching of Jewish law and philosophy you are contributing to a growing culture of service, citizenship, and responsibility in America," Bush wrote. — The Jerusalem Post (1) (http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/capunish_4.html#n1)
Justice Scalia Is a Key Player

The Jerusalem Post reports that Justice Antonin Scalia has high praise Jewish law.Scalia, in a letter to the institute's founder, Noson Gurary, wrote that "Jewish law is certainly one of the oldest and most highly developed systems" and explained why the comparative study of legal traditions was beneficial. — The Jerusalem Post (1) (http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/capunish_4.html#n1)In fact, Rabbi Gurary came up with the idea of the Institute as a result of correspondence with Justice Scalia:Gurary said that the idea for the institute came in an exchange of letters in which Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, one of the most conservative Justices, expressed his "fascination with Jewish law." — The Jerusalem Post (1) (http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/capunish_4.html#n1)Justice Scalia has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution and its Bill of Rights. Yet, by his attendance at this dinner he clearly indicated his support for an antithetical system: Talmud law. How does he reconcile the two? We are not told.


Source: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/capunish_4.html

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Rabbi Yitzchok Adlerstein calls the Talmud, "the world's oldest continuously-practiced legal code." (42) (http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/capunish_1.html#n42)
"For a Jew to be convicted by a Jewish court, two eyewitnesses must have seen the perpetrator about to commit the crime and warned him of the potential penalty. The murderer must verbally answer that he chooses to proceed anyway. (For a non-Jew, only one witness is required and no verbal warning.)" (5) (http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/capunish_1.html#n5)
We can see why a Jew on trial for his life might prefer a Jewish court — but why would a non-Jew? What would Talmud-based law have to offer that is better than trial by a jury of peers, the Bill of Rights, and Equal Justice Under Law?

Source: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/capunish_1.html

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George W. Bush, Zionist Double Agent, American Traitor


"A man is considered an anti-Semite if he calls a Jew a Jew."


"Then...when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you."
—John 20:19

It was in 1990 that I first met the remarkable and brilliant Boris Lunachev. Aged, bent over slightly by repeated attacks of osteoporosis, Lunachev had asked to see me privately. He had, I understood, once been a most distinguished professor of Marxist doctrine at the prestigious Lenin Institute. He was a rising star on the Soviet political and educational scene. But in the late 70s, Lunachev was abruptly and unceremoniously ousted from his post and exiled to the West.

Shaking the wisened old man's hand and seeking to inject a friendly tone into our conversation, I smiled and said, "So, you are a Russian, Dr. Lunachev?"

"Yes, I am a Russian," he answered.

"But please, my dear friend," he continued. "Always remember, there are Russians and then there are Russians. And some who are Russian are not Russian."

Confusing language, I thought, if intriguing. I made a mental note to later inquire further into the nature of Lunachev's puzzling words. However, I soon discovered that follow up was not at all necessary. The good Professor Lunachev more than answered my curiosity with what he had to say.

A Stellar Career Until...

Lunachev recounted his stellar career, beginning as a leader of the Communist Youth, his earning of high-level doctorate degrees, and his academic career, during which he was lauded and commended on a regular basis. Apparently, Lunachev was poised for further advancement; he was even being considered for a top political position in the Kremlin as a Marxist theoretician and was well rewarded economically by the elite intelligencia. Until...until he said something very, very vital—and very, very sensitive—to the wrong person.

It seems that a high-ranking Commissar had come from Moscow to the Institute to interview Lunachev for the Kremlin post.

The Commissar, who was very pleased with Lunachev's deportment and his responses to standard questions, finally stated: "Professor Lunachev, is there any area of research or study that you have conducted that is unique or unusual?"

"Yes," Lunachev replied. "I have recently been studying the field of race and biology. I have discovered that the great Karl Marx was a Jew and so was Comrade Lenin." "Comrade Stalin was an avid reader of the Jewish Talmud, and Comrade Khruschev's real surname was Perlmutter. He, too, was a Jew."

"I believe these facts of racial history need to be reported to the Soviet people and to the world," said Lunachev, "so everyone will recognize that the government of the USSR is not, as some have alleged, anti-Semitic."

"Thank you for your time." retorted the now sober-faced and ashen Commissar. "You are dismissed."

His Unpardonable Crime

That very evening, Boris Lunachev was accosted on his way home by Soviet secret police. He was taken promptly to a waiting aircraft and flown to Rome, Italy, where he was told by Soviet Embassy officials he would forever be persona non grata (unwelcome) in his native Russia. He had become an outcast.

What was Lunachev's horrible crime, his unacceptable transgression against his Communist overseers?

"My unpardonable crime," Lunachev said to me, "was to call a Jew a Jew."

Professor Lunachev, however, considered himself fortunate, indeed. "In 1917 in Soviet Russia," he explained, "one of the first laws passed by Lenin and the Bolsheviks was a law making anti-Semitism a crime punishable by death. In Rome, the KGB bluntly told me that to call a Jew a Jew, and especially to make public the name of a crypto-Jew, one who was hiding under an assumed Russian name, was clearly an act of anti-Semitism."

And so it was that Lunachev, by no means an anti-Semite in the real meaning of the term, a man who simply wanted to give Communism's founders and pioneers their due by recognizing their racial ancestry, became a feared and marked outlaw, a dangerous subversive to be banished and persecuted.

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Lenin and his cohorts were satanic Jews who put 66 million to death in the indescribable Red Terror. Yet, it was a capital crime ("anti-semitism") to reveal their Jewish ethnic identity. Pictured above are four Soviet gulag camp commandants, all Jews. They are giving a Masonic hand sign

Below: Many Communist gulag prisoners died of malnutrition. Their meager daily diet consisted of a filthy, rat feces-infested bowl of gruel and occasionally a tiny bit of black bread.
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Understanding Lunachev's Predicament

I vaguely understand Lunachev's predicament. I was the first to publish the true facts regarding Hillary Rodham Clinton's Jewish ancestry. I also exposed "Irish" Senator John Kerry's true race—yep, he's a crypto-Jew. And for good measure, I threw in revelations that former Secretary of State, Comrade Madeleine Albright, and General Wesley Clark are also Jews. Reluctantly and angrily, Hillary, Kerry, Clark and Albright subsequently came out of the closet and owned up to their Jewish heritage, though they have all refused to explain why they had hidden it all these many years.

What a buzzsaw and furor I had ignited! The hounds out of Jerusalem's darkest cemeteries came at me with fangs bared, blood dripping from the corners of their gaping jaws. I discovered, as did Lunachev, that it is forbidden to call a Jew a Jew.

That was when I, too, realized, that I had unwittingly became a vile and evil "anti-Semite," targeted for destruction by the denizens of the emerging Jewish World State.

However, unlike in Soviet Russia, in America the midnight cowboys who reside in the cesspool of Soviet Washington, D.C. have so far been unable to banish Texe Marrs or to oust me from my independent perch as president of Power of Prophecy Ministries. Oh, how they have tried, but I am still here, toiling away, exercising my First Amendment rights, much to their chagrin and annoyance.

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In this photo from a radical Jewish Lubavitcher web site, President Bush waves on the way to his Jewish Talmud class. He was accompanied by former White House spokesman and recently ordained Rabbi, Ari Fleischer. Sources confirm that the President is a Jewish religious fanatic but understands he must keep his beliefs under cover.
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And Now, Yet Another Revelation

And now, dear friends, I have decided to reveal to you the name of yet another crypto-Jew. This time, the culprit is a man who is only the latest in a series of dynastic leaders, all of whom were and are Jews and all of whom have carefully and watchfully guarded this Great Secret. I hereby stamp myself—according to the reigning criteria or rules promulgated by the Illuminati elite—as a bonafide anti-Semite merely by once again calling a Jew a Jew. Fact: GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, is a Jew.

Absurd? Preposterous, you say? Well, I have carefully traced the history of the Bush Dynasty, including the Rothschild faction, and without hesitation I declare to you that, yes, indeed, George W. Bush is a Jew: A Jew by race, a Jew by religious choice. Hidden from public view.

What the media dare not tell you is that, as President, George W. Bush appointed as his first official White House spokesman, a Jew—in fact, a Jewish rabbi—Ari Fleischer. He retained a Jewish banker, Alan Greenspan, as Chairman of the Federal Reserve. He made a Jewish Rabbi, Dov Zackheim, the Comptroller (money man!) of the Pentagon, and he placed a Jewish ideologue and Christian hater, Michael Chertoff, in the scary position of being head of FEMA and Homeland Security. Yes, Chertoff, an ADL fiend whose father is a Jewish rabbi, is now America's Gulag Commandant, our American version of Himmler.

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This publication of the National Jewish Welfare Board lists a Major George Bush, Major Louis Bush, and Major Solomon Bush, as Jews participating in the American Revolutionary War against the British. It also reveals the money connection of Rothschild agent, Haym Salomon, to what it describes as the "weak U.S. government."

My investigation of the Bush-Jewish connection has been in progress for six years now. One thing I discovered is that George W. Bush is a devoted student of the Jewish Talmud, just as were Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin. He is also, I am persuaded, a dedicated agent of Zionist Israel, which makes him double agent and traitor to the United States of America.

Bush has adopted the same techniques of torture, political deceit, perpetual war, and pure hatred of perceived enemies, as has the notorious Israeli spy agency, Mossad. The Mossad's motto is "By Way of Deception Make War." This, not coincidentally, is also George W. Bush's motto. How very Talmudic. How very Satanic.

"Christians Who Are Not Christians"

But, isn't Bush supposed to be a Christian? How, then can he be a religious Jew? Ah, perhaps those who ask this question should read books like Colonel Donn de Grand Pré's insightful Barbarians Inside the Gates: Book Three, the Rattler's Revenge. As my friend, the good Colonel de Grand Pré, notes so wisely in his excellently documented volume, we are confronted today by Leviathan, a two-headed monster, "one head comprised of Jews who are not Jews and the other, Christians who are not Christians."

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This official photo shows First Lady Laura Bush, December 6, 2005, "kosherizing" the White House kitchen. Present is the Bush family rabbi along with two other rabbis, approved Jewish chefs, and assistants. (whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005)

Which leads me back to Professor Boris Lunachev and our informative and rewarding meeting. As we departed, I again took his hand in mine and I asked him. "Dr. Lunachev, is there anything you'd like to say to me, perhaps to capitalize or to emphasize the importance of what we have discussed?"

"Yes," Lunachev answered, his probing brown eyes peering deep into mine. "I beg you to never forget, there are Americans and then there are Americans. And some who are American are not American."

"We are one nation. We are neither American Jews nor Soviet Jews, but only Jews!"

-Theodore Herzl
Founder of Modern Zionism

http://www.goyimpride.org/2008/07/george-w.html

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The Talmud the Jewish Religion & Porn??
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Talmudic immorality, asininity and pornography:
The reprobate mind
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t. Paul, who had been a pharisee, often bores christians who do not know what he was arguing about, in his discourses haranguing pharisees. But one familiar with the talmud can appreciate his diatribe against the "uncleanness" of those, "who changed the truth of god into a lie" and: "professing themselves to be wise, they became fools," until "god gave them over to a reprobate mind … . Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness … ." (romans 1:22, 25, 28).
Of the "sacred" talmudic teachings of the "sages," preserved since 500 a.d. And taught more widely today than ever before in talmud-torah schools in the u.s.a., perhaps nothing better illustrates "fools" with "reprobate minds" than the teaching in the talmud book of yebamoth (exhibit 155) that spittle on the top of the bed curtain proves that a wife has been guilty of adultery, as only lying down face upwards could she have spit up on it. Spitting several feet straight up! The talmud states: "when a peddler leaves a house and the woman within is fastening her sinnar … . If spittle is found on the upper part of the curtained bed she must, said rabbi, go." footnote: "even if there were no witnesses that misconduct took place." further footnote: "only the woman lying face upwards could have spat on the spot. Intercourse may, there fore, be suspected."

from a roof
the talmud book of yebamoth also concerns the duty to marry a brother's widow who is childless. Two volumes of junk and obscenity for its own sake carry the title, yebamoth. Another illustration of the "reprobate mind" is the teaching that [yebamoth 54a] if a man falls from a roof "and his fall resulted in accidental insertion," as [ybamoth 54a footnote] "when in a state of erection the levir fell from a raised bench upon his sister-in-law who happened to be below." here the great talmudic "saint" rashi is cited as authority. "his commentary on the talmud is a consummate masterpiece, a remarkable and gigantic work," says the 1943 universal jewish encyclopedia. Rashi was born in troyes, france, 1040, and died there in 1105.

The above talmud passage is not reproduced here. It is in yebamoth 53b-54a (page 356 of the soncino edition) and continues the above with the responsibility of a "levir" or brother-in-law "when, for instance, his intention was intercourse [B]with his wife and his sister-in-law seized him and he cohabited with her." [yebamoth 54a] the passage is merely an excuse to indulge the "reprobate mind" in uncleanness. (romans 1:28) is it any wonder that christ likened pharisees to "unseen graves" (luke 11) and "whited sepulchres" (matt. 23)?

Bestiality
although moses commanded that if a woman have intercourse with a beast, both should be killed (leviticus 20:16), and that a priest must not marry a harlot or woman who is profane (lev. 21:7), the talmud teaches that "unnatural intercourse does not cause a woman to be forbidden to marry a high priest," since then "you will find no woman eligible … ." (see exhibit 157, from the talmud book of yebamoth, folios 59a-59b)

rulings of the "sages" follow: "a woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a priest — even a high priest." unless specifically warned in advance and the act seen by two witnesses, she is acceptable also. If she had intercourse with a dog while sweeping the floor, she is likewise reckoned to be pure, and suitable. For, "the result of such intercourse being regarded as a mere wound, and the opinion that does not regard an accidentally injured hymen as a disqualification does not regard such as intercourse either." (see exhibit 158)

this alone gives a fair idea of the systematic deformation of scripture by the pharisees and the truthfulness of christ's denunciations about their making god's commandments of none effect by their tradition. (matthew 15:6)

babies
baby boys may always be used as subjects for sodomy by grown men, according to the talmud. (see exhibit 54) the pharisaic subterfuge here is that until a child reaches sexual maturity, capable of sexual intercourse, he or she does not rank as a person, hence biblical laws against sodomy (pederasty) do not apply. Throughout the talmud "nine years and one day" is the fictitious age of male maturity.

Likewise, under "nine years and one day," the "first stage of intercourse" of a boy with the mother, or any grown woman, is harmless, talmudically. Shammai, to seem more "strict," lowers the age to eight years in some cases. (see exhibit 82 from sanhedrin 69b of the talmud)

a long harangue about the amount of the kethubah (payment if divorced) a woman gets if her virginity was removed by a young boy, fills kethuboth i lb of the talmud. [page 23] (see exhibit 136 and exhibit 137) and here, the foul mother may be reckoned "pure," depending on the age of the child. Such degrading use of children was typical of paganism throughout the ancient world.

"when a grown up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this — that is, less than three years old — it is as if one puts the finger into the eye — tears come to the eye again and again, so does virginity come back to the little girl under three years." (see exhibit 136, kethuboth 11b of the talmud)

this is the standard doctrine of the whole talmud on baby girls. Sodomy and intercourse with babies is the prerogative of the adult talmudic man, in contrast to christ's beautiful teachings concerning little children.

The following is also typical concerning the fictitious age of sexual maturity of baby girls set by the pharisee "sages:" "a maiden aged three years and one day may be acquired in marriage by coition …" see exhibit 55 (sanhedrin 55b), exhibit 81 (sanhedrin 69a-69b), exhibit 156 (yebamoth 57b), and exhibit 159 (yebamoth 60b); also niddah 44b.

Baby girls of three can invoke sadistic punishments on those who have intercourse with them when they are "niddahs" (menstruating), a physical impossibility, of course. (talmud, sanhedrin 55b - exhibit 55; sanhedrin 69a - exhibit 81)

and, at three, a baby girl is always rated as "one who is fit for cohabitation — that is one who has attained the age of three years and one day." (talmud, yebamoth 60b, exhibit 159) but, in the case of a baby girl who is not jewish-born, or a so-called "proselyte," she may be "married" thus by a grown priest: "a proselyte who is under the age of three years and one day is permitted to marry a priest;" although "one who is fit for cohabitation," as stated on the same page, is "one who has attained the age of three years and one day." (see exhibit 159)

this talmud yebamoth passage continues with the ruling in the case of a baby under three married to a grown man priest, and declared eligible to continue as his wife. (see exhibit 160) the baby girl was a "proselyte," of course, so age did not matter. But "under eleven years and one day" a little girl "carries on her marital intercourse in the usual manner." (see exhibit 152, yebamoth 12b of the talmud)

adultery is permitted with the wife of a minor, and wife of a non-jew. (see exhibit 53) the pretense is that a minor not being a "man" yet, and the non-jew having non-human status, talmudically

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permissible adultery and intercourse with the dead
"none of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the lord," says the book (lev. 18:6). Scripture references are also cited which denounce a married woman who lies "carnally" with a man not her husband. But say the sages: "that in connection with a married woman excludes intercourse with a relaxed membrum since no fertilization can possibly result. This is a satisfactory interpretation in accordance with the view of him who maintains that if one cohabited with forbidden relatives with relaxed membrum he is exonerated." and other talmud sources are cited. "the exclusion is rather that of intercourse with a dead woman [footnote 15] even though she died as a married woman." thus one is "exonerated" for, or permitted, intercourse with dead relatives or with relatives, married or single, "with a relaxed membrum," because "no fertilization can possibly result." (talmud, yebamoth 55b, see exhibit 163)

intercourse with dead bodies was an old pagan practice. The above is echoed with some variation in "the chief repository of the criminal law of the talmud," the book of sanhedrin. (see exhibit 89)

there the act of sodomy with one suffering with an incurable disease, hence regarded as already dead, or a "terefah," is held to be merely "as one who abuses a dead person, and hence exempt." the explanation, which continues on the next page (not reproduced) is: "punishment is generally imposed because of the forbidden pleasure derived — [footnote] whereas there is no sexual gratification in abusing the dead."

how apt it was when christ called the talmudic pharisees "whited sepulchres … full of all uncleanness." (matt. 23) yet some of his followers call these abominators of every decency "god's chosen people" and "people of the book"!

Polygamy
there is nothing now, as formerly, in talmudic doctrine, against polygamy. It is practiced by jews in countries where it is allowed.

A 1952 book by salo wittmayer baron, professor of jewish history, literature and institutions of the miller foundation, columbia university, is entitled, a social and religious history of the jews and is published by the american jewish committee's jewish publication society of america. The chapter, "the world of the talmud," cites the harem of king solomon (which finished him morally and otherwise), saying its "memory kindled the imagination of polygamous jews in subsequent ages." although we are told [page 25] that there was no real difference between palestinian and babylonian jewries fundamentally, the book states "there are indications that babylonian jewish society had more polygamous features than did that of palestine."

and: "anecdotes like those current in regard to rab and rabbi nahman [who] after arriving in a foreign city they used to advertise for women ready to marry them for the time of their sojourn ('man havya le-yoma') … . In law, too, the babylonian emphasis lay upon the jew's right to 'marry as many wives as he is able to support.'"

it was rabbi gershorn ben judah (bom metz, 960; died mayence, france 1040), whose edicts were accepted by european jewry as final for all time, who commanded jews in christian countries to stop getting into trouble with the law by polygamy.

Israel first proposed extra allowances for plural wives but now seems to be screening polygamy from christian eyes.

After the period of the patriarchs, abraham, isaac and jacob, and before this, in the case of adam and noah, monogamy ruled. The prophets were monogamists. Moses commanded regarding a man of god that: "neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away. …" (deuteronomy 17:17) and, admittedly, the polygamy of david and his son solomon ended the israel twelve-tribe united kingdom. Their hordes of pagan wives, and foul, pagan altars broke down any godly spirit which had formerly united them. However, reversing the bible once again, pharisee "sages" embroider upon the above words of moses against polygamy, their permission to have 18, 24, or 48 wives. (talmud, sanhedrin 20b-21a) the mishna asks: "why then is it written, neither shall he multiply wives to himself … rabbi simeon said: He must not marry even one who may turn away his heart — from which it might be inferred that he may marry a lesser number even if they should corrupt him."

the jewish talmud and legally
murdering your neighbor
as noted elsewhere, regarding murder of the non-jew, it is good and meritorious, providing you do not get caught and thus get the talmudic religion exposed for what it is.

However, permissible murder in judaism embraces more than just killing gentiles. Murder by suffocation is permissible. Here shyster hairsplitting is inserted in the talmud, it being permissible to seal up a neighbor in an airtight "alabaster chamber," providing one does not put in a lighted candle to help eat up the oxygen, but merely allowing the victim to expire by breathing the oxygen up himself unaided, this is acceptable. (see exhibit 86 from sanhedrin 77a-77b of the talmud)

under talmudic "law" other forms of murder are also permissible:

Binding up your neighbor so that he dies of starvation. Just bind up the neighbor before it is hot or cold enough to kill him and all is well — you are guiltless of what follows. (see exhibit 85)
binding up your neighbor so that he dies of sunstroke. (see exhibit 85)
binding up your neighbor so that he dies of cold. (see exhibit 85)
binding up your neighbor so that a lion may kill him. (see exhibit 85) he could not have fought the lion anyway, so, it is acceptable, says the talmud.
Letting mosquitoes bite your neighbor to death. As for the mosquitoes, they come and go, so, since the ones which bit him when you tied the victim go away and others end his life, you are pure and blameless. (see exhibit 85)
throwing your neighbor into a pit and leaving him to die there. (see exhibit 86)
killing your neighbor with arrow wounds. (see exhibit 86) shooting the neighbor with an arrow is acceptable, since if there is balsam for sale somewhere, he presumably could have sent for some and thus have been cured instead of dying. (see exhibit 86)
you can also drown your neighbor and yet be "guiltless" of his death! Remember to follow talmudic law, however, and cause the water to travel a little distance before it drowns the neighbor — then you are guiltless of his death! (see exhibit 87)

ten "innocent" murderers
it is granted in the talmud that the bible forbids taking a man's life — but that merely means taking his life all by yourself. In other words, you must not take the whole of his life all alone, which permits you, nevertheless, to help nine other men to take a life.

Thus, it is stated in the talmud: "if ten men smote a man with ten staves whether simultaneously or successively, and he died, they are exempt." answering the rabbi who suggests that killing whatever is left of a man's life might be wrong, we are also told: "if ten men assailed him successively, he was already nearly dead when the last smote him: Therefore the last, too, is exempt." (see exhibit 88)

"mercy" killings approved
elaborate pains were taken, rather recently, by rabbis to deny that "mercy" killings are permitted in judaism — because they are. The public discussion was on whether or not a hopelessly sick person should be put out of his misery. The rabbis denied that would be proper, necessarily know ng that the talmud states otherwise. The talmud, sanhedrin 77b-78a, contains these rabbinical edicts:

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[oiram]

Definitely some sick motherfuckers around!
The once writing such rules are one part of the sickness; the second part are if there are anyone which practice & believes in the sick shit which is written.

[kasalt]

Development of the Talmud

From Bruce James (Baruch Gershom) (http://judaism.about.com/od/conversion/p/brucejames.htm), for About.com -- http://judaism.about.com/od/torahtalmud/a/talmud_dev_2.htm


Judaism believes that the Torah was given to Moses at Sinai directly by G-d. The 613 commandments, at least generally, were written down into what we know as the Five Books of Moses (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy). But many details and instructions regarding these commandments were not written down. The Written Torah itself hints at this at several places, most obviously at Deut. 12:21, where G-d says "Then you may slaughter of your herd and flock...as I have commanded you." One problem, nowhere in the written Torah is there any commandment regarding how to slaughter. From this verse we know that the method was taught by G-d to Moses and he, in turn, orally taught those details to Joshua and the Elders, who in turn passed it on to their successors, and so on.

Many commandments beg for further definition, such as the fact that the Torah forbids working on Shabbat, but it does not tell us what "work" entails for this purpose. But its apparent from the story in Numbers 15:32-36 that the Jewish people in fact knew what acts of work were forbidden on Shabbat. In those verses we learn that the congregation found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath, but they brought him to Moses for determination of punishment, since they had not yet been taught what punishment was appropriate. According to our tradition, Moses learned of 39 categories of work from G-d at Mt. Sinai and conveyed those orally to future generations. Mishna, Shabbat 7:2. A violation of any act proscribed within these 39 categories is therefore a Biblical violation since it was directly taught by G-d.

The rabbis, especially the Pharisees, preserved the orally transmitted Torah lessons from generation to generation with special care not to deviate from the teachings. They also legislated rabbinic commandments, which are of a lower level of importance than Biblical commandments, in order to create a "fence around the Torah" -- that is these rabbinic commandments were designed to help average Jews from violating Biblical commandments. So, in summary, there were three levels of commandments -- (1) those commandments specifically mentioned in the Written Torah; (2) G-d given commandments known from the Oral Torah; and (3) rabbinic ordinances. The Torah, in many places recognizes these three types of commandments, e.g. "...I command you this day to ... keep His commandments and His statutes and His ordinances...." Deut. 30:16. By referring to G-d's "commandments", "statutes", and "ordinances", the Torah is recognizing the existence of the written Torah commandments, the Oral Torah commandments, and the Rabbinic ordinances.

In Mishna Avot we have a record of how the oral law was passed down from generation and which sages were charged with preservation and teaching of the oral law, demonstrating an unbroken chain. The history of the subsequent transmission of the Oral Torah and the creation of the Talmud was recorded in the Iggeret Rav Shirer Hagaon, a letter from the head of the famous Babylonian academy of Jewish study at Pumpedesia (now a part of Baghdad) which had a continuous history dating back to the destruction of the First Temple through a generation or two after Rav Shirer died (1000 CE). This letter is cited in Maimonedes' (Rambam) introduction to the Mishna Torah. In the letter Rav Shirer explains that the oral law was faithfully and accurately transmitted, with no disputes among the rabbis, until the time of the Roman conquest of Israel. At that time, students were not as attentive to their teachers as they should have been (students would attend to their teachers 24/7 and in that way would absorb not only the formal lessons of their teachers but also the thought process involved). The first dispute in Torah learning occurred under the leadership of Rav Avtaylon. In the next generation, the zuggim, Hillel and Shammai, were reported to disagree on three issues of law. However, in the subsequent generation, the competing academies of Hillel and Shammai disagreed on numerous issues.

Yet, both honored their disagreements by requiring that students memorize and teach the alternative views as well as those opinions of their teachers. Eventually the disagreements became so profound, especially with the death of thousands of students at the hands of the Romans, that Rabbi Judah the Prince (Yehuda HaNasi, aka "Rebbe") collected all of the oral law into a survey of the laws known as the Mishna. Where opinions were in dispute, Rebbe quoted all views, usually by the name of the teacher known for the lesson. But Rebbe excluded some teachings and these were preserved into collections known as B'raisot, which continued to be memorized and passed down. Scholars then would study Rebbe's Mishna but compare those teachings with those of similar B'raisot in order to determine the law and to resolve disputes. Eventually, these studies and debates among the post-Mishnaic era rabbis were recorded in a form known as Gemara. So, using the Mishnas of Rebbe for structure and organization, the Mishna and Gemaras were combined into volumes of books known today as the Talmud. There is a Jerusalem Talmud that contains the teachings of the teachers in Israel, and a Babylonian Talmud, that was completed nearly 200 years later in the 6th century CE, containing (mostly) the debates of the rabbis of Babylonia. This latter version is the one most-often cited because of its breadth of analysis.

The Talmud also includes various other theological discussions among the rabbis including speculation about the Messianic Era, reward and punishment, and more, as well as Midrash -- stories that fill in the gaps of Biblical stories, often to teach lessons, rather than solely for their own truth -- and ancient explanations of resolutions to apparent conflicts in the books of the Bible. Because these teachers were closer in time to the events of the Bible and because they represented an unbroken chain of teaching, we consider their undisputed teachings to be authoritative.

Of course, this was not the end of the Oral law. Later scholars wrote commentaries or attempted codifications of the law. In addition, bodies of case law exist, called Responsa literature, in which we see how later rabbis applied the teachings of the Torah, written and oral, to cases that could not have anticipated by the scholars of the Gemara and Mishna eras.

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Somebody probably already posted this, but i am posting it again, Online Talmud.

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(BTW i found it fairly interesting that some of the leaders of NA admit in their writings of sitting and reading the talmud, they mention it very casually)

And i am sure that you have all heard of the ever famous blackballed Birdman Bryant.

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Index-Jews.html

Some of the quotes of the zionist leaders are very frightening...i know they want to usher in Olam ha Ba, a jewish superstate ruled by zionists..

I have the Cypher of Genesis, and it obliquely mentions the same thing.
(unless i misunderstood the message)
"God" (or YHVH) is a group of people DRIVING evolution for "the good of humanity".
Guess who?

It is my personal opinion that christianity is being used as a trojan horse for this One World Order under the zionist messiah.

[kasalt]

What the Talmud Really Says About Jesus

by David Klinghoffer, Religion BookLine -- Publishers Weekly, 1/31/2007

Source url: http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6411679.html

Will Peter Schaefer's new book, Jesus in the Talmud (Mar.), be controversial? "I'm afraid so," Schaefer told RBL. "That's why I'm nervous."

His editor at Princeton University Press, Brigitta van Rheinberg, laughed but agreed: "You think, oh, whoa, this is not going to go over well in certain circles."

Schaefer, who heads up Princeton's Judaic studies program, has collected and analyzed all the passages in the Talmud that apparently refer to the founder of Christianity, texts that were previously censored from Talmud editions for centuries. In his book he argues—against other scholars—that the scandalous passages indeed refer not to some other figure of ancient times but to the famous Jesus of Nazareth.

What exactly is so scandalous? How about Jesus punished in Hell for eternity by being made to sit in a cauldron of boiling excrement? That image appears in early manuscripts of the Babylonian Talmud, as does a brief account of Jesus' trial and execution—not by the Romans but by the Jewish high court, the Sanhedrin. The Jewish community, to the extent Jews were even aware of these excised texts, has been content to let them remain obscure and unknown.

Schaefer, a distinguished German-born Christian scholar who describes classical rabbinic literature as "my first love," has now definitively let the cat out of the bag. This undermines a widespread assumption that, of Judaism's and Christianity's respective sacred texts, only the Christian Gospels go out of their way to assail the rival faith, whereas Judaism's classical texts refrain from similar attacks.

It seems fair to say now, however, that the Talmud is every bit as offensive to Christians as the Gospels are to Jews.

The Talmud's scattered portrait of Jesus unapologetically mocks Christian doctrines including the virgin birth and the resurrection. Which isn't to say that the rabbinic invective is meant simply to insult. In his book, the author calls the Talmud's assault on Christian claims "devastating."

"It is a very serious argument," said Schaefer, who emphasizes that the rabbis' stories about Jesus were never intended as an attempt at historically accurate narrative. Rather, in the classic Talmudic style, they encode legal and theological argumentation in the form of sometimes-imaginative storytelling.

One naturally wonders, when Jesus in the Talmud is published, what the results will be for Jewish-Christian relations. "I certainly don't want to harm Jewish-Christian dialogue. God forbid," Schaefer said. But dialogue requires honesty, and "I'm trying to be honest."

This article originally appeared in the January 31, 2007 issue of Religion BookLine.


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Source: "Why Jews Don't Accept Jesus as the Messiah"

(Culled from an interview with Jewish author David Klinghoffer)

URL: http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2005/03/Why-Jews-Dont-Accept-Jesus.aspx?p=2

I had never realized that Jesus was censored from the Talmud. You write that all mentions of Jesus were removed in the 16th century to avoid Christian wrath. I wonder if we would have been saved a lot of interfaith relations problems later if he had been left in. How did that happen and why?

There are a handful of references to Jesus in the pre-censored text of the Talmud. I struggled with whether to bring this up in my book, because some of them are off-color and offensive, certainly to Christians.

RP: Offensive because of the way Jesus is depicted?

The Talmud described his being punished after death--in a way that is clearly meant to be a metaphor. The story is a vision of villains suffering in hell, and one is of Jesus in hell [for 70 years]. It's clearly a metaphor, because Jews don't believe people suffer in hell longer than a year.

LS: So Jews believe people suffer in hell for a year?

Up to a year, if you've committed evils and haven't repented. In Jewish terms, it's not possible for Jesus to have been in hell 70 years after he died. It's clearly meant as a metaphor.

Nevertheless, I struggled with whether to bring things like that up at all. Why hurt the feelings of Christians? In many ways, it's the most religious Christians who are our very best friends--because they are friends of Israel and are on our side morally. But I ultimately decided that you can't write an honest history of the Jewish-Christian debate about Jesus without bringing up some disturbing things. The truth is, anti-Semites are already aware of this.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Perhaps it will be an assist to the readers to examine this isue in it's broader Cultural & Historical Context. :)

Is JUDAISM the RELIGION OF MOSES?

http://www.cbcg.org/franklin/Is%20Judaism%20the%20Religion%20of%20Moses--April%2030%20%202000.pdf

[jrhartley3165]

Both Judaism and Islam have books other than the bible and Qu'ran.

Much of what is in them is demonstrably wrong, if the assumption is made that God is just. (We're screwed if he's not.)

They are the works of men and have no spiritual authority.

Also much of the Bible are the musings of men. They were probably written by some of the best minds of the age, and not to find some truth in them would be a sad indictment of human intelligence. However they are not 'gospel'. (Neither are the 'gospels' of the New Testament.).

[mr t]

hi eternal spirit, it seems your sticky has alot in common with this muslim page http://www.missionislam.com/nwo/talmud.htm

[solarwindspirit]

Perhaps it will be an assist to the readers to examine this isue in it's broader Cultural & Historical Context. :)

Is JUDAISM the RELIGION OF MOSES?

http://www.cbcg.org/franklin/Is%20Judaism%20the%20Religion%20of%20Moses--April%2030%20%202000.pdf

Talmudic Judaism was devised by Jew haters.
The Isareali state is a counterfeit Isarel. The modern papacy and modern Protestantism are in league with this counterfeit.

Who are the true Jews?
Many of those who they are Jews today are imposters. Moreover, I cannot be categorized according to the absurdly one dimensional "Holocaust denier" neologism, which defines "denial" only in terms of one "holocaust". I affirm the Soviet-Communist holocaust against Christians, the Allied holocaust (by fire) against Japanese and German cities, and the Israeli holocaust against Lebanon (1982 and 2006) and Palestine (1948 to present). I oppose all forms of racism, and in particular the most pernicious strain: the Holy People megalomania of Judiasim

by Micahel Hoffman (http://www.revisionisthistory.org/page1/page5/page5.html)

All religions are man made. Whether the religion is divinely inspired should rest in the mind of the reader. It's the use of force not religious difference that lies at the root of any conflict. The use of Religious nationalism is utilized to legitimize a political regime and that of manipulation of instability in and region today.

War: Rhetoric and Norm-Creation in Response to Terror (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=820624)




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There are two kinds of people in this world: Those who listen to what you do and Those who listen to what you say. I try to do both for reasons beyond me. . .but I always refer back to number one or the first expression which is based on what you do.

[mr_kiz]

jesus was a fictional charecter, as is god.

[bendoon]

jesus was a fictional charecter, as is god.

Hey, I have an idea for you, just post some inane comment on the end of every thread and everyone will believe you and stop believing in God in a split second.

[clachan]

jesus was a fictional charecter, as is god.

Who told you that ?

[rodin]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/one4one/bush_with_talmud.jpg

Not sure this is not a book from Ye Olde Photoshoppe...

Old Testament BTW seems perhaps to be younger than New. I think was Douglas Reed who saw Talmud as Torah updated to account for revenge on Christ and Christians

[kidsarocker]

The Truth About the Talmud

A Documented Exposé of Supremacist Rabbinic Hate Literature

By Warrant of John 18:37, Galatians 4:16
Copyright ©2000-2006 by Michael A. Hoffman II All Rights Reserved
Introduction

The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."
The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also be seen in the case of the black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians are very knowledgeable of the Old Testament. However, their religion is so ancient it pre-dates the Scribes' Talmud, of which the Ethiopians have no knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept. 29, 1992, p.4:
"The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further than the Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the basis of modern traditions never came their way."
Because they are not traffickers in Talmudic tradition, the black Ethiopian Jews are discriminated against and have been forbidden by the Zionists to perform marriages, funerals and other services in the Israeli state.
Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik is regarded as one of the most influential rabbis of the 20th century, the "unchallenged leader" of Orthodox Judaism and the top international authority on halakha (Jewish religious law). Soloveitchik was responsible for instructing and ordaining more than 2,000 rabbis, "an entire generation" of Jewish leadership.
N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of the rabbi's authority:
"Soloveitchik came from a long line of distinguished Talmudic scholars...Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost exclusively to the study of the Talmud...He came to Yeshiva University's Elchanan Theological Seminary where he remained the pre-eminent teacher in the Talmud...He held the title of Leib Merkin professor of Talmud...sitting with his feet crossed in front of a table bearing an open volume of the Talmud." (N.Y. Times, April 10, 1993, p. 38).
Nowhere does Goldman refer to Soloveitchik's knowledge of the Bible as the basis for being one of the leading authorities on Jewish law.
The rabbi's credentials are all predicated upon his mastery of the Talmud. Other studies are clearly secondary. Britain's Jewish Chronicle of March 26, 1993 states that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are "devoted to the Talmud to the exclusion of everything else."
The Talmud Nullifies the Bible
The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus' time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.
Shmuel Safrai in The Literature of the Sages Part One (p.164), points out that in chapters 4 and 5 of the Talmud's Gittin Tractate, the Talmud nullifies the Biblical teaching concerning money-lending: "Hillel decreed the prozbul for the betterment of the world. The prozbul is a legal fiction which allows debts to be collected after the Sabbatical year and it was Hillel's intention thereby to overcome the fear that money-lenders had of losing their money."
The famous warning of Jesus Christ about the tradition of men that voids Scripture (Mark 7:1-13), is in fact, a direct reference to the Talmud, or more specifically, the forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during Christ's lifetime, before being committed to writing. Mark chapter 7, from verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord's pointed condemnation of the Mishnah.
Unfortunately, due to the abysmal ignorance of our day, the widespread "Judeo-Christian" notion is that the Old Testament is the supreme book of Judaism. But this is not so. The Pharisees teach for doctrine the commandments of rabbis, not God.
The Talmudic commentary on the Bible is their supreme law, and not the Bible itself. That commentary does indeed, as Jesus said, void the laws of God, not uphold them. As students of the Talmud, we know this to be true.
Jewish scholar Hyam Maccoby, in Judaism on Trial, quotes Rabbi Yehiel ben Joseph: "Further, without the Talmud, we would not be able to understand passages in the Bible...God has handed this authority to the sages and tradition is a necessity as well as scripture. The Sages also made enactments of their own...anyone who does not study the Talmud cannot understand Scripture."
There is a tiny Jewish sect which makes considerable effort to eschew Talmud and adhere to the Old Testament alone. These are the Karaites, a group which, historically, has been most hated and severely persecuted by orthodox Jewish rabbinate.
To the Mishnah the rabbis later added the Gemara (rabbinical commentaries). Together these comprise the Talmud. There are two versions, the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud.
The Babylonian Talmud is regarded as the authoritative version: "The authority of the Babylonian Talmud is also greater than that of the Jerusalem Talmud. In cases of doubt the former is decisive." (R.C. Musaph-Andriesse, From Torah to Kabbalah: A Basic Introduction to the Writings of Judaism, p. 40).
This study is based on the Jewish-authorized Babylonian Talmud. We have published herein the authenticated sayings of the Jewish Talmud. Look them up for yourself.
We publish the following irrefutable documentation in the hope of liberating all people, including Jewish people, from the corrosive delusions and racism of this Talmudic hate literature, which is the manual of Orthodox and Hasidic Jews the world over.
The implementation by Jewish supremacists of Talmudic hate literature has caused untold suffering throughout history and now, in occupied Palestine, it is used as a justification for the mass murder of Palestinian civilians. The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.
Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmud

Where a Jew Should Do Evil
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Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Insults Against Blessed Mary
Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
Gloats over Christ Dying Young
A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."
Jesus in the Talmud:
Horrible Blasphemies Against Jesus Christ
While it is the standard disinformation practice of apologists for the Talmud to deny that it contains any scurrilous references to Jesus Christ, certain Orthodox Jewish organizations are more forthcoming and admit that the Talmud not only mentions Jesus but disparages him (as a sorcerer and a demented sex freak). These orthodox Jewish organizations make this admission perhaps out of the belief that Jewish supremacy is so well-established in the modern world that they need not concern themselves with adverse reactions.
For example, on the website of the Orthodox Jewish Hasidic Lubavitch group--one of the largest in the world--we find the following statement, complete with Talmudic citations:
"The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of 'Jesus the Nazarene':
1) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh, which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).
End quote from http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm (Lubavitch website (http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm)) June 20, 2000.
[Note: we have printed and preserved in our files a hard copy of this statement from the Lubavitch"Noah's Covenant Website," as it appeared on their website at http://www.noahide.com on June 20, 2000, in the event that denials are later issued and the statement itself suppressed].
Let us examine further some of these anti-Christ Talmud passages:
Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."
Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in Soncino footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery: "It is taught that on the eve of Passover Jesus was hung, and forty days before this the proclamation was made: Jesus is to be stoned to death because he has practiced sorcery and has lured the people to idolatry...He was an enticer and of such thou shalt not pity or condone."
Kallah 51a."The elders were once sitting in the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his head and the other uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head Rabbi Eliezer remarked that he is a bastard. Rabbi Joshua remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period). Rabbi Akiba said that he is both a bastard and a son of a niddah.
"They said, 'What induced you to contradict the opinion of your colleagues?' He replied, "I will prove it concerning him." He went to the lad's mother and found her sitting in the market selling beans.
"He said to her, 'My daughter, if you will answer the question I will put to you, I will bring you to the world to come.' (eternal life). She said to him, 'Swear it to me.'
"Rabbi Akiba, taking the oath with his lips but annulling it in his heart, said to her, 'What is the status of your son?' She replied, 'When I entered the bridal chamber I was niddah (menstruating) and my husband kept away from me; but my best man had intercourse with me and this son was born to me.' Consequently the child was both a bastard and the son of a niddah.
"It was declared, '..Blessed be the God of Israel Who Revealed His Secret to Rabbi Akiba..."
In addition to the theme that God rewards clever liars, the preceding Talmud discussion is actually about Jesus Christ (the bastard boy who "uncovered his head" and was conceived in the filth of menstruation). The boy's adulterous mother in this Talmud story is the mother of Christ, Blessed Mary (called Miriam and sometimes, Miriam the hairdresser, in the Talmud).

"The Editio Princeps of the complete Code of Talmudic Law, Maimonides' Mishneh Torah -- replete not only with the most offensive precepts against all Gentiles but also with explicit attacks on Christianity and on Jesus (after whose name the author adds piously, 'May the name of the wicked perish')... --Dr. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21.
"The Talmud contains a few explicit references to Jesus...These references are certainly not complimentary...There seems little doubt that the account of the execution of Jesus on the eve of Passover does refer to the Christian Jesus...The passage in which Jesus' punishment in hell is described also seems to refer to the Christian Jesus. It is a piece of anti-Christian polemic dating from the post-70 CE period..." --Hyam Maccoby, Judaism on Trial, pp. 26-27.
"According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.
"The more popular accounts--which were nevertheless taken quite seriously--such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name 'Jesus' was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists...
"The Hebrew form of the name Jesus--Yeshu--was interpreted as an acronym for the curse, 'may his name and memory be wiped out,' which is used as an extreme form of abuse. In fact, anti-zionist Orthodox Jews (such as Neturey Qarta) sometimes refer to Herzl as 'Herzl Jesus' and I have found in religious zionist writings expressions such as "Nasser Jesus" and more recently 'Arafat Jesus." --Dr. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, pp. 97- 98, 118.
Talmud Attacks Christians and Christian Books
Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.
Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books") will have no portion in the world to come.
Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.
Dr. Israel Shahak of Hebrew University reports that the Israelis burned hundreds of New Testament Bibles in occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).
Sick and Insane Teachings of the Talmud
Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix with honey and eat it.
Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.
Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.
Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.On one of his whorehouse romps, Rabbi Eleazar leanred that there was one particular prostitute residing in a whorehouse near the sea, who would receive a bag of money for her services. He took a bag of money and went to her, crossing seven rivers to do so. During their intercourse the prostitute farted. After this the whore told Rabbi Eleazar: "Just as this gas will never return to my anus, Rabbi Eleazar will never get to heaven."
Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.
Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."
Gittin 69b. To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it loosens the limbs."
Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.
Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.
Tall Tales of a Roman Holocaust
Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b. Claims that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans. (Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the entire world at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four billion Jews).



read full article here

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

THe Talmud is not the word of God, only the Torah, the bible and Qur'an are the word of God, the Qur'an is the last true word of God when both early books were infiltrated, diluted and altered, The qur'an is uncorrupted because every muslim since the incarnation of the Qur'an had to recite and memorise the book

[eternal_spirit]

Mosaic law = hundreds of Judaic OT laws. Christian NT = 10 commandments.
According to Islam - Wasn't the aim of the Koran and Islam to go back to these so called purer versions of religious OT Bible/Mosaic laws? but with some extra bits and bobs (think Sharia)

(Because Islam claims - Jews and Christians particularly the latter done away with most of the laws and are no longer following the words of God, so "Gabriel" gave "Mohammed" a lecture on bringing back some of the laws plus some new bits and bobs, "compare" the "Koran and Talmud"

This is why some Muslim's will do anything to convert the people of "the book - Bible" to Islam (to bring them back to the words of God) If they won't convert then they have to pay the poll tax and live as second class citizens (Dhimmi) under Shariah law in an Islamic state.

If they refuse to convert to Islam, then they are often killed.

..........

Because of his Christo-Gnostic-Judaic-quasi-Abrahamic influences, Muhammad naturally expected Christians and Jews, and more especially, those of the Arab-Jewish tribes, to see the light and convert to his new revelation. Surely, thought Muhammad, they will follow me and recognize Allah, but of course, they did not. Then as now, Jews of any kind are most averse to conversion

When these conversion efforts miserably failed, jihad became the chosen strategy. As well as ridding the newly conquered Islamic lands of the idolater-Christians, Muhammad later annihilated the Jewish-Arab tribes of North Africa in one of the first bloody Islamic Jihads. This is a characteristic of Islam.

The Ones In Submission to Allah (Muslims) must tolerate the infidels only for so long. Infidels must be given a chance to convert, but if they refuse, then conversion by conquest through holy war (jihad) is seen as not only legitimate, but demanded by the Koran.

Even so, this should be judged in context. As exemplified amply in the Old Testament, and foreshadowing the Christian Crusaders yet to come, early Islam follows an ancient [Abrahamic and later Mosaic] tradition of holy war and murder in the name of a god. Sir Richard Burton said, "And did Moses disdain to place carnal weapons in the hands of his people? The great Lawgiver of Israel sanctioned the murder in cold blood of women and child captives. Even kings were hewed in pieces before the Lord." (The Jew, The Gypsy And El Islam, 1898.)

This is a fascinating line of inquiry to follow as it leads to the conclusion that what we today know as jihad has both Mosaic and Talmudic-Jewish roots. One of many famous stories about Muhammad concerns an attempted poisoning by a Jewess. After this, not to mention the consistently unrelenting and often bitter rejections by the Jews, he finally gave up on converting them. Muslims were then told to face Mecca for prayer, where previously, they faced Jerusalem.

OTHER RITUAL SIMILARITIES

To some degree, both early Islam and early Christianity may be seen as efforts to reform, purify and unify Judaic and pre-Judaic Hebrew-Israelitish beliefs. But while the church gave up most Mosaic and later Talmudic/Pharisaic law codes, circumcision, ritual foods, and the like, Islam did not. As a matter of fact, ritual food preparations are almost identical. Muslim Halal food may be substituted when a Talmudic Kosher meal is not available, and vice versa. Both the Orthodox Jew and the devoutly observant Muslim prefer the unshaved beard, though the Islamists omit the Hasidic forelocks. Most mosques, like Orthodox synagogues, separate male and female worshippers. Women are not really regarded very highly in either faith. The Jewish Sabbath begins on Friday evening. Islam has no real Sabbath but Friday, often in the evening, became the day when a Mullah or Imam preaches a sermon and reads from the Koran. Islam, like Judaism, has no liturgical music or dance (except in Sufi mystical sects). A mosque (masjid in Arabic) and a synagogue have no statues or images. They are plain and unadorned so that worshippers are not distracted. If there is any central element other than the pulpit, it is a copy of the respective scriptures.

The scriptures of Islam and Judaism have a similar place in both religions. We have the Koran, which has ample texts refuting or abrogating ("abridging" say the Muslims) others, and the Talmud, which is notorious for splitting legalistic hairs. Since the Koranic chapters are arranged by length, there is no way to tell which text might have come first. And then we have the Hadith ("Traditions"), which function something like the Talmud, as a guide or secondary scriptures, to interpret, perhaps to get around, avoid and evade, what is found in the Koran. Looking at clergy of all religions, a Mullah is more akin to the rabbinical model, as he is, above all, a judge, an interpreter of the Sharia of Allah just as the Rabbi interprets the Torah and Talmud. Sharia Law operates like Rabbinical Talmudic Law. One submits disputes to a court of Mullahs (the word means judge) and Koranic scholars who decide the case. This is essentially the same as a Judaic beit din court in which Rabbis and scholars determine the results. Both Judaism and Islam might be best described as legal systems as much as religions.

MORE LIKENESSES

In another interesting parallel, one most often changes his or her name after converting to either Islam or Orthodox Talmudism. Practically every convert to Islam changes their name, and some Jews do the same. Proper immigrants to Israel have the right to adopt a Jewish name when moving there. There are other similarities as well, but lately on TV, some of them are uncannily mirrored in rituals and educational practices. Koranic study, like Talmudic study, is intense. If he (like Jews, women are not encouraged to study scripture) learns to recite the Koran from memory, a Muslim then bears the honorific, Hafiz. Watch the young Islamic boys at Madrassah schools in their skullcaps swaying back and forth reciting the Koran just as Jewish boys in yarmulkes recite Judaic scriptures at the Yeshiva. The Jewish swaying and nodding is often seen at the "Wailing Wall" in Jerusalem. Burial practices are similar as well. The actual rites are simple -- what we see on TV at Muslim martyr-funerals are the public parts, heavily politicized, especially the parade with the ubiquitous martyr photo (posing for this is a big deal accompanied by a celebration) plastered on big posters carried by the mourning crowd, always accompanied by a cacophony of ululating Muslim women. Muslims, as do the Orthodox Talmudist Jews, inter the body very quickly after the death.

In another likeness, both Jews and Muslims are quite exclusive, essentially regarding those who do not practice their true religion as heathens at best and cattle/goyim sub-humans at worst. One who has submitted to the purity of Islam does not make friends or confidants of such types. Strongly echoing the Talmud, the Koran says: "O ye who believe! Take not Jews and Christians for your friends and protectors; they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily, Allah guideth not a people unjust." (Sura 5:51)

[raven200]

Mosaic law = hundreds of Judaic OT laws. Christian NT = 10 commandments.
According to Islam - Wasn't the aim of the Koran and Islam to go back to these so called purer versions of religious OT Bible/Mosaic laws? but with some extra bits and bobs (think Sharia)

(Because Islam claims - Jews and Christians particularly the latter done away with most of the laws and are no longer following the words of God, so "Gabriel" gave "Mohammed" a lecture on bringing back some of the laws plus some new bits and bobs, "compare" the "Koran and Talmud"

This is why some Muslim's will do anything to convert the people of "the book - Bible" to Islam (to bring them back to the words of God) If they won't convert then they have to pay the poll tax and live as second class citizens (Dhimmi) under Shariah law in an Islamic state.

If they refuse to convert to Islam, then they are often killed.
[I]

Below I am out lining an abstract from from a sermon given by Mirza Tahir Ahmad in which he is responding to some remarks made by the Pope in relation to Islam and Jihad;

In the paragraphs below he explains from Islamic history How the Jizya was utilised, and most importantly how this method is used even today by governments of the world to maintain public spending to improve amenties provided to locals living under the government.

Now muslims already paid zakat and also other forms of money to maintain there government, understanding that non muslims are not liable to pay this as they do not understand the reasoning behind it so in order to make it so that the non muslims were just as much part of the contributers in society so that there lands could be developed and protected, the muslims asked for the non muslims to pay Jizya.

How would you feel for example here in england the muslims live and make the most out of the system but paid no tax in order for the security they have and also amenities they use daily. The Jizya is part of developing government spending and this is what it was used for, and if it was used for anything else then please read below, the paragraphs explain what the Khalifas after the holy prophet and the Holy prophet himself explained in relation to how this matter was to be dealt with.

As for the way of his Khalifas, it is related in a Tradition that once Hadhrat Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) passed through a place where severity was being used to collect Jizya (poll-tax for non-Muslims) from the non-Muslims. Seeing this he promptly stopped and asked in an angry tone what the matter was. He was told that those people did not pay the Jizya saying that they did not have the capacity to pay it. Hadhrat Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) said then there was no reason that they should be burdened with something for which they did not have the capacity. He said those people were to be left alone and that he had heard from the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) that a person who hurts others in this world will be under God’s chastisement on the Day of Judgment. As a result the Jizya of those people was pardoned.

In light of the advisory sayings of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) Hadhrat Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) was so concerned about his non-Muslim subjects that before his death he left a specific will for the Khalifa who was to follow him, the wording of which was: I advise the Khalifa to follow me to have a most gentle and compassionate way with the non-Muslim subjects of Islamic government; to fulfil their pacts, to protect them and to fight their enemies for them and never to put a burden or responsibility on them which is beyond their capacity.

If compulsion was used to convert them to Islam then why would this be the case?

A pact was drawn between the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) and the Jews of Khyber when he first went to Medina. He would send his Companion Abdullah bin Rawa to them for the division of crops. In accordance with this teachings Abdullah bin Rawa would extend the gentlest of treatment in the division of the produce and would divide the harvest in two and then give the Jews the option to take the portion of their choice and would take the remaining portion himself.

As I said before, in accordance with the teachings of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) Hadhrat Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) was most concerned about the rights and welfare of non-Muslim subjects of the Muslim government. He would periodically advise his governors to take special care of the non-Muslims and would also himself regularly enquire of them if they had any difficulty. Once a delegation of non-Muslims came to Hadhrat Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) and the first question he put to them was whether they had any inconvenience from the Muslims. They replied that they had received nothing but the best of fidelity and treatment from the Muslims.

At the conquest of Syria the Muslims collected tax from the non-Muslim population of Syria. However, soon afterwards there was imminent danger of another war from the Roman kingdom. The Muslim Amir of Syria, Hadhrat Abu Ubaida returned all the collected tax to the Christian population, maintaining that as their rights could not be fulfilled due to the war, it was not warrantable for them to keep the tax. The Christians were spontaneous in prayers for the Muslims that may God give them victory over the Romans and may they once again be the rulers of the land. Such was the treatment of the Muslims. As a result when victory was achieved once again and the Muslims returned [to Syria] tax was once again collected as before.

Source: http://www.alislam.org/topics/response-to-pope/islam-response-to-the-pope.html

[primordialman]

The guy that wrote this thread also hates Muslim too i see.
Seems has nothing better to do that propagate hatred unless its against Catholics ofcause.
Funny thing is most tikes are bending over to muslims all the time DU there just to piss weak in reality to fight back!.

[rozzy]

I think the book George Bush is carrying maybe the Talmud translated to the Mongol language.
Calmuo is a Mongolian language dialect and Bavli means Babylonian. So it is my guess that if you put the two together you have a Mongolian translation of the Babylonian Talmud.

A second guess and in that order is it is a Mongolian Bible as there is also scripture translated to Calmuo, specifically the New testament.

The Massoretic text used in most modern Bible translations also comes from a Babylonian MS.

[eternal_spirit]

The guy that wrote this thread also hates Muslim too i see.

Just pointing out the hatred contained within the Talmud and it's links to the Koran, the post also shows how Islam and Judaism are very similar in many ways.

Seems has nothing better to do that propagate hatred unless its against Catholics ofcause.

There's enough hatred of Catholics on here, did you miss the two sticky threads? Do you want to know about Talmud, I do, have you anything to add to this thread? Guess not, just here to have a go.
Funny thing is most tikes are bending over to muslims all the time DU there just to piss weak in reality to fight back!.
What's a tike?

[daniel_zak]

Bullshit. When Nimrod's empire destroyed the Jewish kingdom they took many of them back to Babel as slaves. The Talmud was written in Babylon by the chief Rabbis; slaves captured after the Jewish kingdom was destroyed. This book IS mixed with Pagan beliefs and Jewish beliefs also where the philosophy of Zionism stems from which btw makes up a large building block of the NWO.

Just because tptb currupted a pure religion doesn't make it inherently evil. They have control of our education systems this was done by INFILTRATION. This does not make all everyone i.e. students and teachers inherently evil.

Gods Laws are the solution to the NWO. If the majority of the world communities were righteous and actually obeyed the Creators Laws i.e. staying away from doing bad actions such as adultery, gay/lesbianism, usury, envy, pride, greed, gluttony, magick etc (which in essence deplete the Soul) EVERYTHING the NWO promotes (including Godless society, secularism, theory of evolution, force left-brain thinking) then we wouldn't have the chief negative impulse which empowers them.

[converger]

you must be DR. Bill Oakley ???????????/
is that you eternal spirit????

[eternal_spirit]

No Converger I am not he (I had to google his name) Plus I am English he is an American - also I do not follow any religion.

Islam affirms that Moses (Musa) was given a revelation, the Torah, which Muslims call Tawrat in Arabic, and believed to be the word of God (Allah). However, they also believe that this original revelation was modified over time by certain scribes and preachers. According to Islamic belief, the present Jewish scriptures were no longer the original divine revelations given to Moses. Muslims believe the Qur'an is the final revelation from God and a completion of the previous revelations.

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1249619#post1249619)

Mosaic law = hundreds of Judaic OT laws. Christian NT = 10 commandments.
According to Islam - Wasn't the aim of the Koran and Islam to go back to these so called purer versions of religious OT Bible/Mosaic laws? but with some extra bits and bobs (think Sharia)

(Because Islam claims - Jews and Christians particularly the latter done away with most of the laws and are no longer following the words of God, so "Gabriel" gave "Mohammed" a lecture on bringing back some of the laws plus some new bits and bobs, "compare" the "Koran and Talmud"

This is why some Muslim's will do anything to convert the people of "the book - Bible" to Islam (to bring them back to the words of God) If they won't convert then they have to pay the poll tax and live as second class citizens (Dhimmi) under Shariah law in an Islamic state.

If they refuse to convert to Islam, then they are sometimes killed, victimised, attacked given this choice some will eventually convert to Islam so they won't be victimised no more, or migrate (escape) to other lands

[lightgiver]

The following are the 613 commandments and their source in scripture, as enumerated by Maimonides:

# To know there is a God Ex. 20:2
# Not to even think that there are other gods besides Him Ex. 20:2
# To know that He is One Deut. 6:4
# To love Him Deut. 6:5
# To fear Him Deut. 10:20
# To sanctify His Name Lev. 22:32
# Not to profane His Name Lev. 22:32
# Not to destroy objects associated with His Name Deut. 12:4
# To listen to the prophet speaking in His Name Deut. 18:15
# Not to test the prophet unduly Deut. 6:16
# To emulate His ways Deut. 28:9
# To cleave to those who know Him Deut. 10:20
# To love other Jews Lev. 19:18
# To love converts Deut. 10:19
# Not to hate fellow Jews Lev. 19:17
# To reprove a sinner Lev. 19:17
# Not to embarrass others Lev. 19:17
# Not to oppress the weak Ex. 22:21
# Not to speak derogatorily of others Lev. 19:16
# Not to take revenge Lev. 19:18
# Not to bear a grudge Lev. 19:18
# To learn Torah Deut. 6:7
# To honor those who teach and know Torah Lev. 19:32
# Not to inquire into idolatry Lev. 19:4
# Not to follow the whims of your heart or what your eyes see Num. 15:39
# Not to blaspheme Ex. 22:27
# Not to worship idols in the manner they are worshiped Ex. 20:5
# Not to worship idols in the four ways we worship God Ex. 20:5
# Not to make an idol for yourself Ex. 20:4
# Not to make an idol for others Lev. 19:4
# Not to make human forms even for decorative purposes Ex. 20:20
# Not to turn a city to idolatry Ex. 23:13
# To burn a city that has turned to idol worship Deut. 13:17
# Not to rebuild it as a city Deut. 13:17
# Not to derive benefit from it Deut. 13:18
# Not to missionize an individual to idol worship Deut. 13:12
# Not to love the idolater Deut. 13:9
# Not to cease hating the idolater Deut. 13:9
# Not to save the idolater Deut. 13:9
# Not to say anything in the idolater's defense Deut. 13:9
# Not to refrain from incriminating the idolater Deut. 13:9
# Not to prophesize in the name of idolatry Deut. 13:14
# Not to listen to a false prophet Deut. 13:4
# Not to prophesize falsely in the name of God Deut. 18:20
# Not to be afraid of killing the false prophet Deut. 18:22
# Not to swear in the name of an idol Ex. 23:13
# Not to perform ov (medium) Lev. 19:31
# Not to perform yidoni ("magical seer") Lev. 19:31
# Not to pass your children through the fire to Molech Lev. 18:21
# Not to erect a pillar in a public place of worship Deut. 16:22

thats the first 50 :)

[pogma]

The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books).

Does anyone know how many books?

[revealerofsecrets]

Great article on the Talmud. I have studied the Hebrew and greek scriptures extensively. It is apparent that these scriptures the 66 canonical books of the holy bible are in harmony and do reveal the truth. What is wrong is as Jesus Revealed to the Jewish leaders of his day is that they were in League with the God of this system of things. Satan the Devil The fallen one. He has USed False religion to mislead mankind from the beginning. False Teachers False Scriptures, False Prophets. However Those who have had the veil lifted from their eyes can see clearly what is true and what is not true. I am the revealer of secrets. I can show you the way. Let god be true though man be found A LIAR.

[revealerofsecrets]

Excellent post, ES revealing the horrible true nature of this matrix
belief system.

It's a pity you can't maintain the same independence of mind
on the Christian matrix belief system that blights our western society.

A system which for some strange reason you always defend.

The Christian Matrix belief system has similar false teaching as the Judaic an islamic religions do as well. This doesn't mean that the bible is wrong or false. It means that they fail to read it. They teach from the traditions of men. Jesus condemned this practice. That Being Said I can understand how many would be appalled at the teachings of christendom. Let God be found true though these men be found liars.

[revealerofsecrets]

The following are the 613 commandments and their source in scripture, as enumerated by Maimonides:

# To know there is a God Ex. 20:2
# Not to even think that there are other gods besides Him Ex. 20:2
# To know that He is One Deut. 6:4
# To love Him Deut. 6:5
# To fear Him Deut. 10:20
# To sanctify His Name Lev. 22:32
# Not to profane His Name Lev. 22:32
# Not to destroy objects associated with His Name Deut. 12:4
# To listen to the prophet speaking in His Name Deut. 18:15
# Not to test the prophet unduly Deut. 6:16
# To emulate His ways Deut. 28:9
# To cleave to those who know Him Deut. 10:20
# To love other Jews Lev. 19:18
# To love converts Deut. 10:19
# Not to hate fellow Jews Lev. 19:17
# To reprove a sinner Lev. 19:17
# Not to embarrass others Lev. 19:17
# Not to oppress the weak Ex. 22:21
# Not to speak derogatorily of others Lev. 19:16
# Not to take revenge Lev. 19:18
# Not to bear a grudge Lev. 19:18
# To learn Torah Deut. 6:7
# To honor those who teach and know Torah Lev. 19:32
# Not to inquire into idolatry Lev. 19:4
# Not to follow the whims of your heart or what your eyes see Num. 15:39
# Not to blaspheme Ex. 22:27
# Not to worship idols in the manner they are worshiped Ex. 20:5
# Not to worship idols in the four ways we worship God Ex. 20:5
# Not to make an idol for yourself Ex. 20:4
# Not to make an idol for others Lev. 19:4
# Not to make human forms even for decorative purposes Ex. 20:20
# Not to turn a city to idolatry Ex. 23:13
# To burn a city that has turned to idol worship Deut. 13:17
# Not to rebuild it as a city Deut. 13:17
# Not to derive benefit from it Deut. 13:18
# Not to missionize an individual to idol worship Deut. 13:12
# Not to love the idolater Deut. 13:9
# Not to cease hating the idolater Deut. 13:9
# Not to save the idolater Deut. 13:9
# Not to say anything in the idolater's defense Deut. 13:9
# Not to refrain from incriminating the idolater Deut. 13:9
# Not to prophesize in the name of idolatry Deut. 13:14
# Not to listen to a false prophet Deut. 13:4
# Not to prophesize falsely in the name of God Deut. 18:20
# Not to be afraid of killing the false prophet Deut. 18:22
# Not to swear in the name of an idol Ex. 23:13
# Not to perform ov (medium) Lev. 19:31
# Not to perform yidoni ("magical seer") Lev. 19:31
# Not to pass your children through the fire to Molech Lev. 18:21
# Not to erect a pillar in a public place of worship Deut. 16:22

thats the first 50 :)

3rd line to know that he is one god. Christendom teaches he is a trinity which is a teaching of the anti christ because the trinity says that jesus was a god when he gave his life as a ransom sacrifice. Which denies that he came in the flesh. 1st John 4: 2-3

Not to make an idol for yourself ex 20 vs 4 Yet they use the cross in worship as many on here know predated christianity and was used in the worship of the god Tamuz.

there are many more examples of truth

I am the revealer of secrets. Listen to the ring of truth

[pogma]

Great article on the Talmud. I have studied the Hebrew and greek scriptures extensively. It is apparent that these scriptures the 66 canonical books of the holy bible

Okay, but do you know how many books comprise The Talmud?

[revealerofsecrets]

Okay, but do you know how many books comprise The Talmud?

It does not matter how many books it has Pay attention to none of it turn aside from False teachings. This is obviosly a book of false stories designed to lead you away from what is beneficial.

FABLE
A false story, fiction, myth, an invention, falsehood; from the Greek my′thos. My′thos is found at 1 Timothy 1:4; 4:7; 2 Timothy 4:4; Titus 1:14; 2 Peter 1:16.
My′thos is the opposite of a·le′thei·a, “truth,” signifying the manifested, veritable essence of a matter. At Galatians 2:5 “the truth of the good news” contrasts the true teaching of the gospel with perversions of it. The apostles warned Christians against the danger of being turned away from the truth to false stories, as these had no basis in fact but were the imaginations of men. Judaism was filled with such false stories, the traditions of the elders making up the so-called oral law that came to be incorporated into the Talmud. Judaism, the leading opponent of Christianity in the first century, had been greatly influenced by pagan philosophies and teachings.
As an example of one of these false stories, consider this from the Palestinian (Jerusalem) Talmud: “R. Samuel b. Nahman in the name of R. Jonathan said: The tables [on which Moses received the Ten Commandments] were six hand-breadths long and three wide: and Moses was holding two hand-breadths, and God two, so that there were two hand-breadths interval between their fingers; and when the Israelites were adoring the calf, God sought to snatch the tables away from Moses’ hands; but Moses’ hands were so powerful that he snatched them from Him.” The story continues that then “the letters flew off” the tablets; as a result, since “the writing was sustaining them,” the tablets “became too heavy for Moses’ hands, and fell, and were broken.”—Ta‛anit, V, pp. 116, 117, translated by A. W. Greenup.
The Apocryphal writings abound in false, imaginary stories, such as the one about Daniel’s killing a great dragon with a mixture of pitch, fat, and hair (Addition to Daniel 14:22-26, Dy), and another about Tobias’ getting curative and demon-exorcising powers out of the heart, gall, and liver of a monstrous fish.—Tobias 6:2-9, 19, Dy.
Christians to Reject Fables. At 1 Timothy 1:4, Paul instructs Christians not to pay attention to false stories. These can get Christians involved in research of no real benefit and can turn their minds away from the truth. Some of these false stories are the kind told by old women whose lives have been spent in worldly practices. They violate God’s holy, righteous standards. (1Ti 4:6, 7; Tit 1:14) The apostle Peter, at 2 Peter 1:16, makes reference to false stories (which are not only fictitious but also artfully and cunningly devised in order possibly to turn a Christian aside) and contrasts these with the true, factual account of the transfiguration, of which he was an eyewitness. (Mr 9:2) Paul, at 2 Timothy 4:3, 4, foretold that at a future time people would willingly turn aside to false stories in preference to the truth.

[revealerofsecrets]

What the Talmud Really Says About Jesus

by David Klinghoffer, Religion BookLine -- Publishers Weekly, 1/31/2007

Source url: http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6411679.html

Will Peter Schaefer's new book, Jesus in the Talmud (Mar.), be controversial? "I'm afraid so," Schaefer told RBL. "That's why I'm nervous."

His editor at Princeton University Press, Brigitta van Rheinberg, laughed but agreed: "You think, oh, whoa, this is not going to go over well in certain circles."

Schaefer, who heads up Princeton's Judaic studies program, has collected and analyzed all the passages in the Talmud that apparently refer to the founder of Christianity, texts that were previously censored from Talmud editions for centuries. In his book he argues—against other scholars—that the scandalous passages indeed refer not to some other figure of ancient times but to the famous Jesus of Nazareth.

What exactly is so scandalous? How about Jesus punished in Hell for eternity by being made to sit in a cauldron of boiling excrement? That image appears in early manuscripts of the Babylonian Talmud, as does a brief account of Jesus' trial and execution—not by the Romans but by the Jewish high court, the Sanhedrin. The Jewish community, to the extent Jews were even aware of these excised texts, has been content to let them remain obscure and unknown.

Schaefer, a distinguished German-born Christian scholar who describes classical rabbinic literature as "my first love," has now definitively let the cat out of the bag. This undermines a widespread assumption that, of Judaism's and Christianity's respective sacred texts, only the Christian Gospels go out of their way to assail the rival faith, whereas Judaism's classical texts refrain from similar attacks.

It seems fair to say now, however, that the Talmud is every bit as offensive to Christians as the Gospels are to Jews.

The Talmud's scattered portrait of Jesus unapologetically mocks Christian doctrines including the virgin birth and the resurrection. Which isn't to say that the rabbinic invective is meant simply to insult. In his book, the author calls the Talmud's assault on Christian claims "devastating."

"It is a very serious argument," said Schaefer, who emphasizes that the rabbis' stories about Jesus were never intended as an attempt at historically accurate narrative. Rather, in the classic Talmudic style, they encode legal and theological argumentation in the form of sometimes-imaginative storytelling.

One naturally wonders, when Jesus in the Talmud is published, what the results will be for Jewish-Christian relations. "I certainly don't want to harm Jewish-Christian dialogue. God forbid," Schaefer said. But dialogue requires honesty, and "I'm trying to be honest."

This article originally appeared in the January 31, 2007 issue of Religion BookLine.


________


Source: "Why Jews Don't Accept Jesus as the Messiah"

(Culled from an interview with Jewish author David Klinghoffer)

URL: http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2005/03/Why-Jews-Dont-Accept-Jesus.aspx?p=2

I had never realized that Jesus was censored from the Talmud. You write that all mentions of Jesus were removed in the 16th century to avoid Christian wrath. I wonder if we would have been saved a lot of interfaith relations problems later if he had been left in. How did that happen and why?

There are a handful of references to Jesus in the pre-censored text of the Talmud. I struggled with whether to bring this up in my book, because some of them are off-color and offensive, certainly to Christians.

RP: Offensive because of the way Jesus is depicted?

The Talmud described his being punished after death--in a way that is clearly meant to be a metaphor. The story is a vision of villains suffering in hell, and one is of Jesus in hell [for 70 years]. It's clearly a metaphor, because Jews don't believe people suffer in hell longer than a year.

LS: So Jews believe people suffer in hell for a year?

Up to a year, if you've committed evils and haven't repented. In Jewish terms, it's not possible for Jesus to have been in hell 70 years after he died. It's clearly meant as a metaphor.

Nevertheless, I struggled with whether to bring things like that up at all. Why hurt the feelings of Christians? In many ways, it's the most religious Christians who are our very best friends--because they are friends of Israel and are on our side morally. But I ultimately decided that you can't write an honest history of the Jewish-Christian debate about Jesus without bringing up some disturbing things. The truth is, anti-Semites are already aware of this.

Nation of Israel Does not exist vast Majority of jews were destroyed in 70 ce by Roman ocupation of Jerusalem. The Jews had a priestly class and could only give proper sacrifice by the levite priesthood. Records were strickly kept to identify the priest class. These weren't pharisees they were priests. When Roans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 Ce the records of the priest class were destroyed as well. This means there is no jewish line of succesion. So sacrifice is a violation of gods law. So todays jewish class is counterfiet. Impostors. Jesus warned about such ones. The class he ran out of the temple the Money changers were known as the sect of freemen. Sounds like the forerunners of freemaons to me. Also the temple curtain was rent into after jesus death to indicate god's disowning of the jewish Nation. The pouring of his spirit on the Christians at pentecost signified and served as a sign that he had removed his spirit from the Jewish Nation. He had now placed his Spirit on the Christian congregation. So christians that teach that the jews are gods chosen people are Being Mislead. The Jewish Line of moses abraham david etc only existed to fullfill the prophecy that from this seed would come the mesiah. Once he came and gave his life as a ransom in exchange for the rest of mankind that prophecy was fullfilled. The jewish Nation no longer served a purpose in the plan. Anyone could now benefit from the ransom and they all were trated equally.


FABLE
A false story, fiction, myth, an invention, falsehood; from the Greek my′thos. My′thos is found at 1 Timothy 1:4; 4:7; 2 Timothy 4:4; Titus 1:14; 2 Peter 1:16.
My′thos is the opposite of a·le′thei·a, “truth,” signifying the manifested, veritable essence of a matter. At Galatians 2:5 “the truth of the good news” contrasts the true teaching of the gospel with perversions of it. The apostles warned Christians against the danger of being turned away from the truth to false stories, as these had no basis in fact but were the imaginations of men. Judaism was filled with such false stories, the traditions of the elders making up the so-called oral law that came to be incorporated into the Talmud. Judaism, the leading opponent of Christianity in the first century, had been greatly influenced by pagan philosophies and teachings.
As an example of one of these false stories, consider this from the Palestinian (Jerusalem) Talmud: “R. Samuel b. Nahman in the name of R. Jonathan said: The tables [on which Moses received the Ten Commandments] were six hand-breadths long and three wide: and Moses was holding two hand-breadths, and God two, so that there were two hand-breadths interval between their fingers; and when the Israelites were adoring the calf, God sought to snatch the tables away from Moses’ hands; but Moses’ hands were so powerful that he snatched them from Him.” The story continues that then “the letters flew off” the tablets; as a result, since “the writing was sustaining them,” the tablets “became too heavy for Moses’ hands, and fell, and were broken.”—Ta‛anit, V, pp. 116, 117, translated by A. W. Greenup.
The Apocryphal writings abound in false, imaginary stories, such as the one about Daniel’s killing a great dragon with a mixture of pitch, fat, and hair (Addition to Daniel 14:22-26, Dy), and another about Tobias’ getting curative and demon-exorcising powers out of the heart, gall, and liver of a monstrous fish.—Tobias 6:2-9, 19, Dy.
Christians to Reject Fables. At 1 Timothy 1:4, Paul instructs Christians not to pay attention to false stories. These can get Christians involved in research of no real benefit and can turn their minds away from the truth. Some of these false stories are the kind told by old women whose lives have been spent in worldly practices. They violate God’s holy, righteous standards. (1Ti 4:6, 7; Tit 1:14) The apostle Peter, at 2 Peter 1:16, makes reference to false stories (which are not only fictitious but also artfully and cunningly devised in order possibly to turn a Christian aside) and contrasts these with the true, factual account of the transfiguration, of which he was an eyewitness. (Mr 9:2) Paul, at 2 Timothy 4:3, 4, foretold that at a future time people would willingly turn aside to false stories in preference to the truth.

I am the revealer of secrets

[stag watson]

Religion is a very covert weapon of warfare initially designed to fill the huge whole that would exist once reincarnation was taken out of our "Daily" lives,some millions of years ago now.The entire Hindu legacy is nothing but the official line ,the spoils of war, the victors hand,of wot was left from this time.You can see the evidence of this as the caste system,the beginnings of major isolatory and divisional tactics ,all alien to man.That all three major World religions Hebrew,Christian and Moslim are essentially preprogrammed Reactions to the arrival of Babel ,created before it got going by agents gathered at the time of its Birth is beyond doubt.

[h2pogo]

I have spent a while looking for these horrific quotes taken from the op in this translation of the talmud
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/talmud.htm
and i cant find them..
can any one help me..for example in this quote do i look in Sanhedrin page 58..what does the b signify..i have looked on page 58 and cant find this quote..

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

[sine]

All I know is that "Babylon is burning" mean's 'Rothschild's in Edinbourgh' the home of the tobacconists if you translate the text into Welsh-Gaelic, and that's perhap's why the UK Gvmnt want's people to stop smoking so that they go to sleep on themselves, because tobacco make's you think for yourself! :D

[kasalt]

I have spent a while looking for these horrific quotes taken from the op in this translation of the talmud
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/talmud.htm
and i cant find them..
can any one help me..for example in this quote do i look in Sanhedrin page 58..what does the b signify..i have looked on page 58 and cant find this quote..

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

Here's a link:

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_58.html

Scroll down and you'll see. The relevant text is highlighted in cyan.

The number "58b" does not refer to page numbers. Take a look at the explanation provided by Wikipedia:

Talmud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for why you could not find it at the Sacred-texts.com website, this is probably why:

Rodkinsons' ten-book edition, the only extensive one currently in the public domain, contains complete translations of the 'Festivals' and 'Jurisprudence' sections of the Talmud. Rodkinson only finished about a third of the Talmud.

Taken from their main Talmud page: http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/talmud.htm

Two thirds of the Babylonian Talmud are not included in the online version you are looking at.

[h2pogo]

thanks kasalt.
wow there is some disturbing beliefs and laws..i am quite shocked :eek:
i wonder how many jews are aware of this shit?
it certainly may explain why they been persecuted so much..

a few pages into the link i found this..the same molech from bohemian grove i assume..

HE WHO GIVES OF HIS SEED TO MOLECH INCURS NO PUNISHMENT UNLESS HE DELIVERS IT TO MOLECH AND CAUSES IT TO PASS THROUGH THE FIRE. IF HE GAVE IT TO MOLECH BUT DID NOT CAUSE IT TO PASS THROUGH THE FIRE, OR THE REVERSE, HE INCURS NO PENALTY, UNLESS HE DOES BOTH.

[innerlight]

These articles are just diversions from the fact that the Bible teaches Judaism and most of it's sickness's to the gentiles which includes instructions on raping conquered women, managing slaves, mutilating infant genitals, killing witches, homosexuals, and adulterers, etc.

spot on madthumbs! the bible is just as sick and perverted as the Talmud in most of its traditional teachings. I do think "jesus" offers up bits of wisdom, especially in Revelation when "he" refers to the "Synagogue of Satan and those who say they are Jews but are not..."

To me, it would be these "self proclaimed Jews" who actually wrote the teachings of both the Talmud and Bible, seemingly polar opposites but actually quite the same at the roots. I think the REAL "jews", whoever they are, are such a threat to these "people" that they have taken great measures to DEMONIZE and VILLIANIZE many areas of the Jewish life....

this goes way up to the top. whoever, whatever, is at the top, has demonized the real Jew every way possible, and made sure that it "appears" that THE JEW is behind every ill of the world. Quite an illusion...but a very strong one indeed...

[innerlight]

All I know is that "Babylon is burning" mean's 'Rothschild's in Edinbourgh' the home of the tobacconists if you translate the text into Welsh-Gaelic, and that's perhap's why the UK Gvmnt want's people to stop smoking so that they go to sleep on themselves, because tobacco make's you think for yourself! :D

can you elaborate on this my friend? i feel like a turd now, having ridden my gf's ass for a while about her constant smoking. are we talking smoking like a train, or a tad here or there? plus, what of the chemical in Western cigs? well, at least in US cigs? I've long thought smoking was a wonderful process that Eastern people incorporate into their lives, but figured it was cuz the chemicals in the smoke were different :)

[velma]

By -Sherry Shriner
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com

The New World Order and the Talmud. What does the Talmud have to do with it? It's the hidden cornerstone of the NWO agenda.

I never realized it either until recently. I mean we've had spin doctors and disinfo agents over the past hundred years making sure we believed all the evils were beget through Catholicism. In fact, I think I just finally put the last piece to this NWO puzzle together. At least in my mind. Now it all makes sense. I love how God works. You never where you're going until you're already in it.

The Talmud is the Satanic version of the Torah. The Jews have an oral version of the Torah called the Tenach, or which some call the Talmud, but the Talmud a minority of real Jews are familiar with is not the Talmud being used today. The Babylonian Talmud has taken precedence since 1905 and is blasphemous. In fact every Jew today is taught through this particular Talmud. It refers to Jesus as an idol, and His worshippers as idolaters. It claims Jesus was into beastiality and is burning in hell in a pool of semen. Now where would that come from? Satan Himself. The books of the Talmud are based on the teachings of the Pharisees. To understand why Jesus held such contempt towards this ancient sect of elitists, Christians must have some knowledge of the books of the Talmud—a set of 63 books written by ancient rabbis. These books contain the legal code which is the basis of todays Judaism and Jewish law. In fact, Talmudic Judaism is primarily a legal system in a literal sense. It has little to do with religion. It is more of an ancient political cult group with many followers who are not openly Jewish. This is why so many Jews openly claim to be Jewish and atheist at the same time.

In fact the Talmud originated from the ancient Cabal occult and Pharisee sects. Jesus told them they were the Synogogue of Satan. Every Zionist today clings to what they think are the secret teachings of the Talmud. Welcome to the Internet where very little remains secret of anything. You can read some Tidbits about the Talmud at <a target="new" href="http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/talmud_tidbits.htm">Talmud Tidbits</a>

Today the majority of Jews in Israel are practitioners of Pharisaic law—Talmudic law—which is the enemy of truth, Jesus, and God.

I just posted the other day..

THE NOAHIDE LAWS AND THE NWO. Why? Because George Bush, indicated in Public Law 102-14, 102nd Congress, that the United States of America was founded upon the Seven Universal Laws of Noah.

WHAT ARE THE SEVEN LAWS OF NOAH AND WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH YOUR HEAD? It was studying this that brought me to the Talmud. Since the Noahide Laws are based on the Talmud.

Do you get the connection? In the same Year George W. Bush announced the emergence of the New World Order, he proclaimed the United States as being based on the Noahide Laws. Nevermind that our country was based on God, or a Bill of Rights, or a Constitution to protect us from tyrants such as he was. In fact, nothing was done then and nothing is being done now. People just don't understand what they're talking about and accept whatever the media tells them to believe. We have been set up. Our political leaders have replaced God with Satan and have replaced our Constitution with Dictatorial Powers to completely enslave each one of us.

God's Watchmen are Sounding the Alarms and have been, but very few are listening.

So back to the Talmud. Follow the bouncing ball...Satanists...Talmud..Pharisees..Illuminati.. .New World Order. Who are the Illuminati? They comprise of the Bolshevik Jews of old, the Lubavitch Jews of today, the Zionists, the Communists, almost every government in the world and secret society that takes oaths to Lucifer and participate in blood rituals whether sacrifices, drinking, or both. They're practices in ritual and black magic are taken directly from the Talmud.

Is there any doubt that our end was ordained at the beginning? You can trace the Talmud Satanists back to the worship of Molech and even before that. It's ancient. Today it's the same practices and old lies just repackaged with a new name called the New World Order. Read about Jewish Ritual Sacrifice, it will open your eyes and make you realize that everything we have today goes back to the occult practices of the earlier days.

Every disgusting teaching or beliefs of the Talmud are the same beliefs that the Illuminati hold today. We've been steered away from the Jewish aspect. They shove(d) the evils of the Vatican at everyone so the focus is off of them. The real and Christian Jews of today disregard the Zionists and want nothing to do with them. The god of the Zionists is their army, building their military strength. What does Daniel say about the Antichrist? His god is one his fathers knew not, a god of forces.

Doesn't get any clearer than that. Most know the Antichrist would have to have Jewish blood for the Jews to be deceived into believing he's their Messiah. The Antichrist is coming out of the NWO. Do you get the picture now? And just as Hitler, a forerunner, he'll have Jewish blood, and he'll be Talmudic...occultic.

The Talmud Jews have been behind every major war and mass murder since the beginning of time. Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, just the more notable ones in our recent history. They even masterminded the Jewish Holocaust via the Nazi's for political gain. They wanted their own Zionist state. To them, if you're not a Talmudic Jew, you're not a Jew at all. So sacrificing millions of "non-Jews" (Jews who worshipped only Torah) wasn't a problem for them, in fact for them it was a Sacrifice and ritual to their God Satan.

There seems to be a great divide amongst the Jews. Those who worship the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and those who completely rebel and have always caused the nation to fall into idolatry and sin. As in the past, as is today.

So there's really no big secret about who these NWO Satanists really are. They've been around for thousands of years in secret and occult societies. Infiltrating, deceiving, and persecuting God's people under the guise of inquisitions, communism, and holocausts. And everything they've done, and everything they do, can be traced directly back to the Talmud.

[eternal_spirit]

This is my understanding of the situation Today, if anyone can prove otherwise please post.

Name one place or country where real Jewish Talmudic law is practised today? There aren't any.

There are however Jewish Talmudic law courts which deal with disputes only between fellow Jews.

There is no upholding of the law or prosecution or penalties judgements made against gentiles (none Jews) in a religious court of law.

Although the attitudes and actions/teachings of Judaism and Jews themselves maybe influenced by Talmud, so it's a tricky situation.

[jackieg]

Another off-shoot of Judaism is Phariseeium.
It is even more uglier than Zionism.
Modern Judaism derives from the legal codes of the Pharisees who believed in the oral validity of the law and sought to interpret its inner meaning..
"The law is what I say it is today....
Tomorrow?....
It may be something entirely different."
What matter of oppression is more odious than that?
I thought the reason we had definite written rules was to combat the arguments of stupid and opinionated men....and women acting as men?

"Robert Jackson the Nuremberg Trails prosecutor stated…There is no more odious oppression than that which masks itself as justice. ..."

Here in Canada we operate under both Torah Law and New Testament

1. A workman is worthy of his hire

(Exodus 20:15; Lev. 19:13; Matt. 10:10; Luke 10:7; II

Tim. 2:6. Legal maxim: "It is against equity for freemen not to have the free disposal of their own property.").

2. All are equal under the Law

(God's Law--Ethical and Natural Law). (Exodus 21:23-25;

Lev. 24:17-21; Deut. 1:17, 19:21; Matt., 22:36-40; Luke

10:17; Col. 3:25. Legal maxims: "No one is above the law."; "Commerce, by the law of nations, ought to be common, and not to be converted into a monopoly and the private gain of a few.").

3. In Commerce truth is sovereign

(Exodus 20:16; Ps. 117:2; Matt. 6:33, John 8:32; II Cor.

13:8. Legal maxim: "To lie is to go against the mind."

4. Truth is expressed by means of an affidavit

(Lev. 5:4-5; Lev. 6:3-5; Lev 19:11-13; Num. 30:2; Matt.

5:33; James 5:12).

5. An unrebutted affidavit stands as the truth in Commerce

(1 Pet. 1:25; Heb. 6:13-15. Legal maxim: "He who does not deny, admits.").

6. An unrebutted affidavit becomes the judgment in Commerce (Heb. 6:16-17. Any proceeding in a court, tribunal, or arbitration forum consists of a contest, or "duel," of commercial affidavits wherein the points remaining unrebutted in the end stand as the truth and the matters to which the judgment of the law is applied.).

7. A matter must be expressed to be resolved

(Heb. 4:16; Phil. 4:6; Eph. 6:19-21. Legal maxim: "He who fails to assert his rights has none.").

8. He who leaves the field of battle first loses by default

(Book of Job; Matt. 10:22. Legal maxim: "He who does not repel a wrong when he can, occasions it.").

9. Sacrifice is the measure of credibility

(One who is not damaged, put at risk, or willing to swear an oath that he consents to claim against his commercial liability in the event that any of his statements or actions is groundless or unlawful, has no basis to assert claims or charges and forfeits all credibility and right to claim authority.)

(Acts 7, life/death of Stephen, maxim: "He who bears the burden ought also to derive the benefit.").

10. A lien or claim can be satisfied only through rebuttal by Counter-affidavit point-for-point, resolution by jury, or payment

(Gen. 2-3; Matt. 4; Revelation. Legal maxim: "If the plaintiff does not prove his case, the defendant is absolved.").

All law in Canada can be reduced to the above ten listed maxims.

[rodin]

As far as I have been able to determine, there was no English translation of The Talmud prior to the Soncino Edition of 1934-48. Why was it that in Europe, when the contents of The Talmud became commonly known, it was burned by the orders of both the Pope and Protestant clergy?

That question deserves a thread of its own

http://www.scripturesforamerica.org/html2/jm0027c.htm

[rodin]

One of the greatest difficulties of the Talmudic Pharisees has been that of bnnging communism into power while trying to conceal its Talmudic origin. This may seem contra-dictory to my readers since I have already mentioned how Jewish authors have openly boasted about their influence in bringing communism into the world. However, it is an observable fact that when this connection is pointed out by a goy, especially if they happen to be a white Christian patriot, Jewish leaders immediately bring up their pet propaganda terms and scream "hate crime," "anti-Semitic," and "Fascist." The prostitutes standing behind the pulpits of the Judeo-Christian churches will do everything in their power to keep this truth from their parishioners and keep their people from knowing that Judaism fathered communism. This was one of the first things that caused me to take a close look at Judaism. I had been brought up in the Baptist church to consider them as God's Chosen. Yet when I was lecturing for the John Birch Society, and spoke against communism, the Jew-owned media immediately labeled me as anti-Semitic although I had not mentioned Jews, Judaism or Zionism.

These brainwashed Christian stooges who stand behind the pulpits of most of our churches will defend the very force which is attempting to destroy everything they say they believe in as a Christian. Not only is that very stupid, but very sad and very fatal!

In Washington, DC today, it is a known fact that world-wide Talmudic Judaism has a strangle hold on our American government. They control Canada as well and have been in control of England and most of Europe for decades. The following copies of U.S. State Department papers relating to the Russian Revolution in 1918 prove that International Zionist Jews were prominent in the communist leadership that took over Russia at that time and slaughtered millions of Russian Christians.

http://www.scripturesforamerica.org/html2/jm0027e.htm

IMO the reason the Talmud was burned before and ignored now by the Christian churches is because they are controlled at the executive level. I smell that the sermons preached by honest men are to an extent suggested/dictated by a higher authority, just from listening to some of the content. plus the major churches have a week or month of 'Holocaust remembrance' every year.

Good people attend church - there are no kickbacks for attending a congregation - and there is a somewhat of a holy spirit about the one I sometimes attend just to pick up the vibe and debate points afterwards over a nice cup of tea.

But it is in decline numerically and in its influence. I think it really needs to be cleansed of disinformation before it can regain its 'mysterious power' enough to turn back the tide of degeneracy sweeping the world

[freedom1st]

http://www.scripturesforamerica.org/html2/jm0027e.htm

IMO the reason the Talmud was burned before and ignored now by the Christian churches is because they are controlled at the executive level. I smell that the sermons preached by honest men are to an extent suggested/dictated by a higher authority, just from listening to some of the content. plus the major churches have a week or month of 'Holocaust remembrance' every year.

Good people attend church - there are no kickbacks for attending a congregation - and there is a somewhat of a holy spirit about the one I sometimes attend just to pick up the vibe and debate points afterwards over a nice cup of tea.
But it is in decline numerically and in its influence. I think it really needs to be cleansed of disinformation before it can regain its 'mysterious power' enough to turn back the tide of degeneracy sweeping the world

Lol! I can just imagine!:D

[sine]

Isn't it funny that everyone think's that the 'Fire of Moloch' mean's you have to sacrifice children in a fire of man, when it's actually the process of becomming an adult and burning you're past selves away, like time, one cannot go backward's! Thousand's of year's have passed, and you still don't know fuck all about the process of Metempsychosis :D:D:D

[my_lady rachel]

FRIGHTENING OR WHAT:eek:


All of the holy books of the major religions have ridiculous crap in them.

This is why smart people take what is contained in them with a grain of salt. In other words ...religion is too powerful a force for the stupid.

[my_lady rachel]

......................

Disturbing and not many seem to know about or talk about it.



The Talmud is a compilation of rabbinic discussions on Jewish law such as keeping kosher and the Sabbath.

Those claims come from antisemitic websites.

Considering it takes years to study the Talmud in the original languages along with all the commentaries, it's very obvious none of the critics have actually read the Talmud's lengthy books.

[my_lady rachel]

The Talmud is one of the most racist and disturbing documents ever written in my opinion. It really is quite appalling that some people are negatively labelled for trying to bring it to the attention of others.



The holy books and teachings of each religion were created a long time ago, and in part reflect the prejudices and errors that were popular at the time they were written. Many bigots find "proofs" of their beliefs in over-literal or incorrect or fake interpretations of the holy books and teachings of each religion.

[my_lady rachel]

........................

The Talumudic Jews don't want this to be known, that's why they label anyone a racist for speaking out and getting to close too the truth. When in fact they are the racists.


The Talmuds, the most comprehensive stuff I can find on it is here:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/index.htm

The Babylonian version is here, also:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/talmud.htm

Even at ten volumes, that only makes up about a third of the Talmud, according to the last link; in any case, the Talmud changes over time as scholarship changes and the discussions evolve. To me, it is just a long series of discussion and debate, not a 'holy text' per se, in the sense Christians take the Bible; Judaism is a more dynamic and intellectual religion than most of the rest, at least the more mainstream branches of it are.

It's hard for the Talmud to be racist when those who compiled it do not represent any particular race. Rebe Aqiva was a son to converts to the Jewish faith, as were several other major contributors to the Talmudic teachings. A convert is someone who was previously a member of a different people group, but upon accepting the Torah as binding upon himself as a Jew, himself becomes a Jew. The Torah, both the Written and the Oral, teach that anyone of all the nations and races of the world can be utterly righteous before the Most High if they simply strive to uphold the Instruction He has given mankind. This Instruction is what we call the 'Noahide Laws.' Unlike Islam and Christianity which put forth an obvious effort to make all the world Muslim or Christian, the Torah (the faith of the people of Israel - the Jews) does not demand that all people must become Jewish. HOWEVER, if any individual of any race truly wants to become part of the people of Israel and submit himself to the same Eternal Covenant that the Almighty made with Israel at Mt. Sinai, such a person - again, of any race - is free to do so. Evidence of this teaching is seen in both present day individuals who have become Jews and by the fact that Jews from around the world are members of all types of different races, while at the same time all being full members of the one peoplehood called the people of Israel. This fact is no where more obvious than in the Land of Israel itself. There, all the various races represented in the Jewish people are present together in our small and threatened little country, no bigger than about the size of New Jersey.

[my_lady rachel]

The Christian Old Testament and even NT, is about on par as far as racism goes. Jesus did refer to a gentile as a dog among his Children, and he commissioned his apostles to go first unto the house of Israel (not that I believe in this fictional character).



Christianity is a denomination of Judaism and they generally don't want their racism known either.


Anti-Semites claim that Jewish law treats gentiles differently than Jews and considers gentiles to be "animals." Under Jewish law, gentiles do not have ritual and religious obligations that are incumbent on orthodox Jews. This gave rise to some rulings in which gentiles and Jews are treated differently. However, the law was generally intended to be equitable and to treat everyone equally in non-religious matters. According to Leviticus, 24:22, Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord your God.

The tractate "Avodah Zarah" deals with gentiles, but the reference is to pagans, rather than Christians. It specifically mentions as their holidays pagan Roman celebrations such as Kalends and Saturnalia. Pagans were referred to as "Akum" - which is an acronym for worshipers of stars and astrological signs. Jewish law books have some very unkind things to say about these "heathens," but so do Muslim and Christian holy books.

There are some bigoted references to non-Jews and people of other races in Jewish writings, just as such references exist in Christianity and Islam, but there is no foundation for the charge that the Jewish religion is racist, made on numerous Web sites. Ethiopian Jews are black Africans and according to tradition, the wife of Moses was black.

The Talmud has been interpreted in various ways by different scholars. A remarkably liberal and somewhat controversial interpretation was given in the book "Nine talmudic readings" by the French Jewish humanistic philosopher, Emmanuel Levinas. He presents the issues in the spirit of responsibility to the other and to the one who is a stranger to us. It is edited and translated to English with an introduction by Annette Aronowicz and has published in several languages.

Regrettably, some Jews, like the late Rabbi Kahana and his followers, are bigots or racists, just as some Christians and Muslims (including those who publish the anti-Semitic material on the Web) are bigots or racists. The holy books and teachings of each religion were created a long time ago, and in part reflect the prejudices and errors that were popular at the time they were written. Many bigots find "proofs" of their beliefs in over-literal or incorrect or fake interpretations of the holy books and teachings of each religion.

You can read more about treatment of non-Jews in the Jewish religion here (http://www.jewfaq.org/gentiles.htm).

[eternal_spirit]

I'll refer you to one of my posts from a few pages back. I've also added some points.

Care to comment Lady rachel?

This is my understanding of the situation Today, if anyone can prove otherwise please post.

Name one place or country where real Jewish Talmudic law is practiced today? for ALL citizens including none Jews - There aren't any.

Unlike the Koran/Sharia Islamic laws, which discriminate between Muslims (giving them preferential treatment) over none Muslims, in many ways.

Jews throughout history like others groups/religions lived as dhimmies under dhimmitude in many Islamic countries, as is the case Today for some - a dhimmie is any none Muslim in an Islamic country. (look into it you'll be shocked) Replace the word dhimmie with gentile to get the general idea.

The hypocrisy of Muslims is outstanding (once you know these truths) Muslims are hypocrites they are doing the same as Israelis and worse in many countries to none Muslims Now and for the past 1400 years)

There are however Jewish Talmudic law courts which deal with disputes only between fellow Jews?

There is no upholding of the law or prosecution or penalties judgments made against gentiles (none Jews) in a religious court of law. Today????????

Although the attitudes and actions/teachings of Judaism and Jews themselves maybe influenced by Talmud, some more than others - so it's a tricky situation.


What some say in public gives them away, but many will stay silent and study Talmud teachings and beliefs of racial superiority. Orthodox Judaism is Talmud.

This group in particular have inbred for thousands of years to keep their supposed master race pure