VIDEO;death of seaworld trainer

[keithm]

poor woman nearly got out at one point.
don't watch if easily upset

LiveLeak.com - Amateur Home Video Captures Tilikum Killing Trainer Dawn Brancheau

[sindakit]

you don't really see anything graphic but its still not a very nice thought when you see it

[willnotbesilenced]

poor woman nearly got out at one point.
don't watch if easily upset

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=06b_1267765340






It was very, very tragic, and sympathy goes to her family and friends.

Got to be said though: these animals SHOULD NOT be kept in captivity.
Being so confined, when they should be free in the open sea, probably
does something to them. I hope they dont put the whale down,
but rather I`d prefer they shut the venue, and STOP making money out
off these wonderful creatures.
People need to STOP going to these venues, and then they would be
forced to close.

[siliconpsychosis]

Its a shame noone else working there had some kind of sedation gun, or does such a thing not exist?

[infinategood]

Animals and Orcas especially, are very intelligent and sensitive to the earth. The truly scary part of this is that the animal was trying to make a point, I think maybe... If you took me out of abeautiful ocean and put me into a tiny pool I would be angry too :) Probably not deadly, but one never knows.

[ianw]

There is snuff movies on video valt and other shock sites.
Whats the topic mind controlled killer whale ?

[subl1minal]

I have no sympathy for that, those things shouldn't be paraded about like that anyway. I'm surprised this doesn't happen a lot more often.

[white horse]

http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/02/27/1840123/emotional-orca-show-marks-1st.html?storylink=mirelated

SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment President Jim Atchison said Friday that Tilikum will remain an "active, contributing member of the team," in part because the killer whale show is big business at SeaWorld. The company owns more killer whales than anyone else in the world and builds the orca image into its multimillion-dollar brand. Tilikum did not perform Saturday.

The timing of the killer whales' return to performances reflects just what the sleek black-and-white mammals mean to SeaWorld, which the private equity firm The Blackstone Group bought last fall for around $2.7 billion from Anheuser-Busch InBev in a deal that included two Busch Gardens theme parks and several other attractions.

No animal is more valuable to the Orlando operation than Tilikum, the largest orca in captivity. Captured nearly 30 years ago off Iceland, Tilikum has grown into the alpha male of captive killer whales, his value as a stud impossible to pin down. He now has been involved in the deaths of two trainers and requires a special set of handling rules, which Atchison wouldn't specify.



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[inverselogic]

The thing I hate most about these scenes. So many people watch, nobody tries to help. Even an extended hand at the right moment could have saved her.

[lakkimakki]

:eek:

[clint_giles]

I have no sympathy for that, those things shouldn't be paraded about like that anyway. I'm surprised this doesn't happen a lot more often.

+1

wild animals are wild animals.

[thedefender]

The thing I hate most about these scenes. So many people watch, nobody tries to help. Even an extended hand at the right moment could have saved her.

Seriously. I can't understand why nobody grabbed a pole or a pole with those large nets on them to grab her. They dont keep any sedation shot around? Tranquilizers? WTF? There are so manly levels of failure in this case it is horrific. I don't blame a whale. They will probably put this whale down for that. Human beings have got to learn that just because we are the "superior" species it doesn't mean we should be parading animals around like idiots to exploit our "dominance". In reality.....we fail.

[ladygoogoo]

Blame the victim note here: the trainer PUT herself in harms way
by laying down near him with her hair like that.
I am horrified as anyone this happened and that video is
upsetting to watch to imagine how helpless she was with a huge
animal tossing her around and leaping on top of her like a toy.
But the trainer put herself in that position for him to grab her.
They all knew that animal was dangerous.

I have been around horses over 30 years, besides the odd toss off now and then, without incident. But the one day I got RUN down and thrown
into the air and very nearly trampelled I was putting an old horse into
a stall and I was NOT paying attention, became complacent in the
situation, turned my back on the horse and he came flying out
of that stall, me in the way, I was catapulted into air as he pushed
into me and he nearly trampled me after I landed on the ground I would
say he missed me with his hooves by inches!
I totally blamed myself after I got up and out of danger.
I had not been paying attention. I was lucky I was not seriously injured.
When you are working around animals for a long time you start
to trust them, you forget they are bigger more powerful than you
and if you are not paying attention accidents can happen.
It can take seconds of not paying attention for that to happen.

I wish that woman was still alive today. She made a mistake
and it cost her her life. Of course the animal will not be punished.
He doesn't understand human morality, he was acting as a male
Orca would. The animal behaviorists who watched the video
said he was engaged in play behavior. I've seen video of scuba divers
grabbed by the leg by large toothed whales in the wild and dragged
down into the depths (they were eventually released and swam to surface but had to spend time in a hyberbaric oxygen chamber).
The natural world is not the antiseptic safe arena of Disney World. It's the
same thing at the National Parks, more people are killed by bison.
Why? The tourists walk up to wild bison to get their photo taken
on the side of the road and get attacked and crushed to death.

Obviously I feel bad for her life being cut short by such
a tragic end and I hope Sea World will be more careful in the future.
Business as usual for corporate america where almight dollar
trumps human and animal life time and time again.

[oioioi]

Puts a question over the title 'trainer'. I know who was in control of that situation!

[infinategood]

Yeah, there's like literally hundreds of people in the audience watching her get killed and nobody jumps in ?? If that was happening in front of me I may take action.

Perhaps onlookers thought it was all "PART OF THE SHOW"

:)

[white horse]

Yeah, there's like literally hundreds of people in the audience watching her get killed and nobody jumps in ?? If that was happening in front of me I may take action.

Perhaps onlookers thought it was all "PART OF THE SHOW"

:)

I think maybe they did think it was part of the show... but even if 20 people all jumped in at once what are they going to do against an Orca?

[infinategood]

20 people against an orca...DAMN GOOD QUESTION. You'd think the Sea World folks would have some handbook with some citation about what to do in case the whale attacks the trainer ---

HAHA :)

Death is not funny, I am not making fun of it but GEEZUS, I mean we prepare for fire drills, earth quakes, etc. I would think SW would have prepped for the situation????

Maybe I am just being too damn logical :)

[mara]

I think maybe they did think it was part of the show... but even if 20 people all jumped in at once what are they going to do against an Orca?

Yup, people are not trained to fight Orca in the water.

[infinategood]

Yup, people are not trained to fight Orca in the water.

Okay but...20 against one? They could take that whale down. I am thinking tranquilizer gun, large net?

[mara]

Okay but...20 against one? They could take that whale down. I am thinking tranquilizer gun, large net?


I know 20 against one but maybe people were not prepared, and for sure they didn't expect it...I mean how do you fight 4 tons natural killer in it's habitat-water :)

Yes it's strange that there were nobody from security with tranquilizer guns :)

[infinategood]

I highly recommend the Movie Orca from the 70's. It has Bo Derek (then A hottie) and Dumbledore (Richard Harris). Kind of gives you insight into killer whales.

[wakeupworld]

There is no way I want to watch a video of the death of anyone. I agree with the comments that animals are wild and should not be used for entertainment purposes.

[o_rourke]

Blame the victim note here: the trainer PUT herself in harms way
by laying down near him with her hair like that.
I am horrified as anyone this happened and that video is
upsetting to watch to imagine how helpless she was with a huge
animal tossing her around and leaping on top of her like a toy.
But the trainer put herself in that position for him to grab her.
They all knew that animal was dangerous.

I have been around horses over 30 years, besides the odd toss off now and then, without incident. But the one day I got RUN down and thrown
into the air and very nearly trampelled I was putting an old horse into
a stall and I was NOT paying attention, became complacent in the
situation, turned my back on the horse and he came flying out
of that stall, me in the way, I was catapulted into air as he pushed
into me and he nearly trampled me after I landed on the ground I would
say he missed me with his hooves by inches!
I totally blamed myself after I got up and out of danger.
I had not been paying attention. I was lucky I was not seriously injured.
When you are working around animals for a long time you start
to trust them, you forget they are bigger more powerful than you
and if you are not paying attention accidents can happen.
It can take seconds of not paying attention for that to happen.

I wish that woman was still alive today. She made a mistake
and it cost her her life. Of course the animal will not be punished.
He doesn't understand human morality, he was acting as a male
Orca would. The animal behaviorists who watched the video
said he was engaged in play behavior. I've seen video of scuba divers
grabbed by the leg by large toothed whales in the wild and dragged
down into the depths (they were eventually released and swam to surface but had to spend time in a hyberbaric oxygen chamber).
The natural world is not the antiseptic safe arena of Disney World. It's the
same thing at the National Parks, more people are killed by bison.
Why? The tourists walk up to wild bison to get their photo taken
on the side of the road and get attacked and crushed to death.

Obviously I feel bad for her life being cut short by such
a tragic end and I hope Sea World will be more careful in the future.
Business as usual for corporate america where almight dollar
trumps human and animal life time and time again.

Excellent post..........+1

Seaworld and its trainers have been far too complacent as this case has clearly shown.

That video was truly upsetting...............poor woman had no chance against such a powerful creature, absolutely none.

But I agree with others that a stun gun of sorts should have been used in such an emergency. Are they really that complacent given that this whale has already killed two people? Or did they even give a shit if it did happen?

It's still part of the Disney corporation after all, isn't it?

The mind boggles if certain elites got a kick out of it and the crowd reaction...............I hope not, but one never knows about certain elite's agenda, and especially given that no measures were ever in place and also that it all happened so naturally in the case of the killer whale doing exactly what its namesake does.

Call me a cynic....but I really do wonder if something from the ordinary day's procedure happened to make that whale suddenly kill the top trainer. :(:confused:

[the apprentice]

I'm realy guuted for both animal and trainer, but as the climate is changing so will the mood of all the planets creatures, we will see more of this kind of thing happening aproaching the change over time, so best stay away from all dangerous activities involving animals, they are the first to turn as they say, nature is now talking to us and we are not yet listening.

[mara]

It's still part of the Disney corporation after all, isn't it?

Disneyan culture, all the worst things comes from that side...

[peachped]

jesus./ :( that poor woman and the poor whale.:( let the thing go ffs.

[lakkimakki]

Every swimming pool built or manufactured must, at one time or another, be emptied for repair or resurfacing. :)

[o_rourke]

I'm realy guuted for both animal and trainer, but as the climate is changing so will the mood of all the planets creatures, we will see more of this kind of thing happening aproaching the change over time, so best stay away from all dangerous activities involving animals, they are the first to turn as they say, nature is now talking to us and we are not yet listening.

Indeed and good point. You should never underestimate the natural instinct of animals.

We only have to look at stories of pet dogs turning and killing after years of being the 'family pet'.

Disneyan culture, all the worst things comes from that side...

Absolutely. It's all profit gained out of the shadows of gore and a fantasy land that people don't ever quite connect to its real purpose. :(

[o_rourke]

For those who want to look into the depths of depravity of Disneyworld, have a look here:

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/articles/disney_deception.html (http://www.kt70.com/%7Ejamesjpn/articles/disney_deception.html)

In fact there's loads of links. Just type Disney and Illuminati to find them. :(

[myth]

WTF are these people on :confused:

A whale that killed its trainer at the SeaWorld tourist attraction should be stoned to death, according to an American religious group.

The American Family Association said Biblical teachings dictate that the five-ton killer whale Tilikum should be executed for dragging to death trainer Dawn Brancheau.

They also said the head trainer at the Orlando theme park where the incident took place a week ago should suffer a similar fate.

[o_rourke]

WTF are these people on :confused:

A whale that killed its trainer at the SeaWorld tourist attraction should be stoned to death, according to an American religious group.

The American Family Association said Biblical teachings dictate that the five-ton killer whale Tilikum should be executed for dragging to death trainer Dawn Brancheau.

They also said the head trainer at the Orlando theme park where the incident took place a week ago should suffer a similar fate.

What's the bets that this is also affiliated to the elites having their fun by inciting hatred of that poor encaptured whale? :(

[infinategood]

Every swimming pool built or manufactured must, at one time or another, be emptied for repair or resurfacing. :)

I am glad someone has a sense of humor in this tragic situation :):eek:

[willnotbesilenced]

I'm realy guuted for both animal and trainer, but as the climate is changing so will the mood of all the planets creatures, we will see more of this kind of thing happening aproaching the change over time, so best stay away from all dangerous activities involving animals, they are the first to turn as they say, nature is now talking to us and we are not yet listening.




Interesting comment there about the animals turning......
hmm..... beasts of the earth (http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/revelation/6-8.html) ?

I`d certainly agree with what you said about nature -
and yes few are listening but nature is going to be talking
more louder and maybe then people WILL hear. Link (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106818)

[o_rourke]

I am glad someone has a sense of humor in this tragic situation :):eek:

Sorry to disagree. I don't see any humour in it at all.

A life has been lost and people are inciting hatred for the encaptured whale to be killed.

It's a sick world. :(

[infinategood]

Sorry to disagree. I don't see any humour in it at all.

A life has been lost and people are inciting hatred for the encaptured whale to be killed.

It's a sick world. :(

I am no killer, nor am I a killer whale, I was merely pointing out that sometimes you have to laugh...

Life is a tragedy, it is a sunset, a flower, the smile on a child, an orgasm, a funeral, and yes, you are right, the death of ANY CREATURE is tragic.

I was merely saying that the living must...live, and smile and try to propagate a better world. Hopefully one with humor, kindness, and love above all else.

[mara]

But when they empty a pool they could put Orca in a smaller one or kill him/her.

So, no funny :)

[o_rourke]

I am no killer, nor am I a killer whale, I was merely pointing out that sometimes you have to laugh...

Life is a tragedy, it is a sunset, a flower, the smile on a child, an orgasm, a funeral, and yes, you are right, the death of ANY CREATURE is tragic.

I was merely saying that the living must...live, and smile and try to propagate a better world. Hopefully one with humor, kindness, and love above all else.

Where appropriate, is what I would say.

But yes, I agree with the essence of your post and also the humourous one by the other poster.

Sorry if I was being too sombre, but I just feel that there's more to this and the thread needs investigation of certain acts or non-acts by the owners of Disney. :o

[infinategood]

Animals and Orcas especially, are very intelligent and sensitive to the earth. The truly scary part of this is that the animal was trying to make a point, I think maybe... If you took me out of abeautiful ocean and put me into a tiny pool I would be angry too :) Probably not deadly, but one never knows.



I posted this earlier, I understand that animals are frustrated, and I think humans are as well. I think you are getting me all wrong.

[wolfhead]

That whale could have just ate her so why did it toy with her like that? It even allowed her to nearly get pulled out but carried her back tio the middle.

[mara]

I didn't watch the video but her sister said something like 'orca's are intelligent, she's been warned that might happen'

[myth]

Sorry if I was being too sombre, but I just feel that there's more to this and the thread needs investigation of certain acts or non-acts by the owners of Disney. :o

Certainly does seem to be more to it. Found this:

The trainer was the third person whose death was blamed on this particular animal, named Tilikum, which drowned another trainer in 1991 and probably killed a man who sneaked into Sea World in 1999. Can an animal really develop "a taste for human blood"?


wtf :confused:

[infinategood]

That whale could have just ate her so why did it toy with her like that? It even allowed her to nearly get pulled out but carried her back tio the middle.

Hence "the show" -- the frustration...the animal is angry and trying to get the attention of onlookers.........animals act upon instinct. Just like birds can detect earth tragedies, ya know?

Have you read this thread?

Nice food for thought wolfhead. I like it ALOT! Awesome

[infinategood]

those knockers distract me, can you choose another avatar...MYTH?

[myth]

those knockers distract me, can you choose another avatar...MYTH?

There you go... no distractions now :p

[o_rourke]

Certainly does seem to be more to it. Found this:

The trainer was the third person whose death was blamed on this particular animal, named Tilikum, which drowned another trainer in 1991 and probably killed a man who sneaked into Sea World in 1999. Can an animal really develop "a taste for human blood"?


wtf :confused:

Yep...this has all been posted before when the story first broke out.

They [Disney] knew what they were taking on. This whale has been in captivity for 30 years and killed before.

So why didn't they put protective measures in place for the trainers?

Why allow the trainers think that they had built all this trust and love and be deluded into thinking that nothing would ever happen to them?

This is no coincidence if you read up on Disney history.

[infinategood]

There you go... no distractions now :p

you just made my day myth :)

THXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

[myth]

you just made my day myth :)

THXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Ya welcome :)

[subl1minal]

Yep...this has all been posted before when the story first broke out.

They [Disney] knew what they were taking on. This whale has been in captivity for 30 years and killed before.

So why didn't they put protective measures in place for the trainers?

Why allow the trainers think that they had built all this trust and love and be deluded into thinking that nothing would ever happen to them?

This is no coincidence if you read up on Disney history.

Exactly, wouldn't surprise me if they did something to make it tick and boom, a nice little Vancouver death to add to the ritual list.

[infinategood]

Disney spews out teenage characters from its womb at will, and captures animals and enslaves them for profit.

They literally manufacture them in some Disney star planet in LA. FUN STUFF.

When I re-incarnate I want to be a Jonas Sister.

XOXO

[myth]

Yep...this has all been posted before when the story first broke out.

They [Disney] knew what they were taking on. This whale has been in captivity for 30 years and killed before.

So why didn't they put protective measures in place for the trainers?

Why allow the trainers think that they had built all this trust and love and be deluded into thinking that nothing would ever happen to them?

This is no coincidence if you read up on Disney history.

Makes you wonder if it's just a simple case of valuing money over life, or if there's something more sinister going on :confused: :(

[o_rourke]

Disney spews out teenage characters from its womb at will, and captures animals and enslaves them for profit.

They literally manufacture them in some Disney star planet in LA. FUN STUFF.

When I re-incarnate I want to be a Jonas Sister.

XOXO

You really are here to undermine the seriousness of this thread, aren't you?

[mara]

Yep...this has all been posted before when the story first broke out.

They [Disney] knew what they were taking on. This whale has been in captivity for 30 years and killed before.

So why didn't they put protective measures in place for the trainers?

Why allow the trainers think that they had built all this trust and love and be deluded into thinking that nothing would ever happen to them?

This is no coincidence if you read up on Disney history.

This tragedy has been expected. A whale already killed 2 times.
And since it's Disney, and that means everything is about money and profit, they know that nothing sells better than death (and sex of course)

[o_rourke]

Exactly, wouldn't surprise me if they did something to make it tick and boom, a nice little Vancouver death to add to the ritual list.


That's what I've always suspected.

I know that we can never account for the unknown animalistic true nature of creatures such as this..............but it's strange that it would turn on its best trainer out of the blue like this.

Perhaps it was given a jab or didn't get it's usual order of the day type captivity daily routine.

But despite any speculation on that side of things, Disney still didn't put any emergency or contingency plans in place despite this massive killer whale killing at least twice before. :cool::rolleyes:

[o_rourke]

This tragedy has been expected. A whale already killed 2 times.
And since it's Disney, and that means everything is about money and profit, they know that nothing sells better than death (and sex of course)

Indeed, mara.

If only more people would really do some research and investigate the 'true' agenda of Disney. :(

[infinategood]

You really are here to undermine the seriousness of this thread, aren't you?


You caught me in the midst of my evil plan of undermining the seriousness of this thread.

I will bow our now and let you, the professional thread cultivator take over.

Namaste'

[camreeno]

You can't really see anything. You can see a girl standing at the edge of the pool towards the end, and a guy in the water, but you can't really see what's going on - plus the crowd doesn't seem to be in panic or anything.

[mara]

Indeed, mara.

If only more people would really do some research and investigate the 'true' agenda of Disney. :(

Well, I was very surprise to find out that many people who are not into 'conspiracy theory' really have bad opinion about Disney and the value of his work (shallow entertainment, abusing animals...).
Attacking him is like attacking the pharmaco industry...Disney is in schools, kids study about him as a great man...If only they knew the truth.

[o_rourke]

You caught me in the midst of my evil plan of undermining the seriousness of this thread.

I will bow our now and let you, the professional thread cultivator take over.

Namaste'


That's up to you.

However, I just don't get your humour, that's all. :o

[metacomet]

What's all this talk of 'tranquilizing' the animal?

For incidents like this, a harpoon should be used. They're not going to let an animal live after something like this anyway...


The trainer was the third person whose death was blamed on this particular animal, named Tilikum, which drowned another trainer in 1991 and probably killed a man who sneaked into Sea World in 1999.

The whale has been in there for 20 years :confused: that's disgusting. Not at all surprised that this happened.

[metacomet]

plus the crowd doesn't seem to be in panic or anything.

:confused: Can't you hear the screaming?

[infinategood]

That's up to you.

However, I just don't get your humour, that's all. :o

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I do not get yours either.

Such are the joys of living life in the free world. I wish you well, am confident that you are a kind, sweet, intelligent being and YEAH THAT.

You are great, just the way you are :)

[o_rourke]

Well, I was very surprise to find out that many people who are not into 'conspiracy theory' really have bad opinion about Disney and the value of his work (shallow entertainment, abusing animals...).
Attacking him is like attacking the pharmaco industry...Disney is in schools, kids study about him as a great man...If only they knew the truth.

Some people really don't want to know.

However, I question their reason for being here in the first place if they don't want to 'learn' the real truth.

[infinategood]

Free your mind of hate, it is not a flattering light upon you.

[o_rourke]

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I do not get yours either.

Such are the joys of living life in the free world. I wish you well, am confident that you are a kind, sweet, intelligent being and YEAH THAT.

You are great, just the way you are :)

To be honest with you, I really don't care what anyone thinks of me.

I've been on other forums and banned for airing my views.

It's one of those things that you have to put up with and risk when trying to reach those entrapped by believing everything that is fed to them through the MSM.

So yes, I have found myself here on David Icke's forum because 'most' people are like minded and probably found themselves in similar positions in one way or another.

But here are you and that other poster finding the thread humourous and trying to make lighthearted fun of it all.

Am I wrong to question your motives?

[infinategood]

To be honest with you, I really don't care what anyone thinks of me.

I've been on other forums and banned for airing my views.

It's one of those things that you have to put up with and risk when trying to reach those entrapped by believing everything that is fed to you through the MSM.

So yes, I have found myself here on David Icke's forum because 'most' people are like minded and probably found themselves in similar positions in one way or another.

But here are you and that other poster finding the thread humourous and trying to make lighthearted fun of it all.

Am I wrong to question your motives?

I am sorry you are putting a negative spin on my posts.

Get a vibrator, or have a beer or just BREATHE.

Namaste' Diana

[o_rourke]

I am sorry you are putting a negative spin on my posts.

Get a vibrator, or have a beer or just BREATHE.

Namaste' Diana

As I said before...........choose another appropriate thread for your humour.

That's all.

[myth]

The whale has been in there for 20 years :confused: that's disgusting. Not at all surprised that this happened.


Yep, it's no surprise that it throws the odd 'wobbler' now and then. But then you've got all those spectators handing over their hard earned cash to sit there pointing, cheering, and clapping like brainless morons :( It's the old story; if people didn't attend, there would be no show :(

[infinategood]

Okay LOVE BIRD, are you in charge ?

Perhaps the Thread gods will reign down upon us in this feud?

Get some counseling for your anger my friend. Its not pretty :)

Namaste'

[o_rourke]

Okay LOVE BIRD, are you in charge ?

Perhaps the Thread gods will reign down upon us in this feud?

Get some counseling for your anger my friend. Its not pretty :)

Namaste'

You might be right about my anger. I find it difficult to contain it when I hear about abuse, murder and children going missing etc.

But whoever judges me, and I hope it's not you, will hopefully take into account that all that negativity was for positive results.

And so judge and condemn me if you will for what I believe is my destiny..............................exposing paedos, shills and murderers for the amusement of the elite and their 'sheeple' worshippers. :rolleyes:

[infinategood]

You might be right about my anger. I find it difficult to contain when I hear about abuse, murder and children going missing etc

But whoever judges me, and I hope it's not you, will hopefull take into account that all that negativity was for positive results.

And so judge and condemn me if you will for what I believe what's my destiny..............................exposing paedos, shills and murderers for the amusement of the elite and their 'sheeple' worshippers. :rolleyes:

I am very sorry that I triggered something in you.

I have a giant slew of my own problems. I hate NOBODY, and I am filled with anger just as you are. That's what I come to this forum for.

I will ask you now, to forgive me, NO JOKE:)

LOVE WINS

[o_rourke]

I am very sorry that I triggered something in you.

I have a giant slew of my own problems. I hate NOBODY, and I am filled with anger just as you are. That's what I come to this forum for.

I will ask you now, to forgive me, NO JOKE:)

LOVE WINS

No probs :)

And you are absolutely right that love wins out.

Great quote. :)

We are all humans trapped in a game.......and need to help each other, regardless of status, fame and wealth. Those entrapped in the media and celebrity also need our help. :)

Those poor cnuts really have sold themselves out to something far bigger than was ever expected of them. :(

[mr e man]

Disneyan culture, all the worst things comes from that side...

Do you ever get that feeling of a creepy evil presense when you are in the proximty of anything "Disney"?

Or is that just me?

Going back to the topic though this Is similar to seeing the bull goring the matador, but no satisfaction felt. Only anger towards the idiot sheep who contain these animals in pools no bigger than your house.

[o_rourke]

Do you ever get that feeling of a creepy evil presense when you are in the proximty of anything "Disney"?

Or is that just me?

Going back to the topic though this Is similar to seeing the bull goring the matador, but no satisfaction felt. Only anger towards the idiot sheep who contain these animals in pools no bigger than your house.


If we really want to go back in history at human cruelty and crowd circles, then surely we can't get worse than pitching human against human for pleasure? :(

That's the worst type for me.

[choice]

...there must be something quite morbid in ppls minds, when they like to see videos like this.
Is not even a matter of privacy, it's a matter of respect towards the deceased.

[white horse]

Blame the victim note here: the trainer PUT herself in harms way
by laying down near him with her hair like that.
I am horrified as anyone this happened and that video is
upsetting to watch to imagine how helpless she was with a huge
animal tossing her around and leaping on top of her like a toy.
But the trainer put herself in that position for him to grab her.
They all knew that animal was dangerous.

...


It is a shocking video and it was worse to watch it in the knowledge that she died. if you had been told that she later rcovered in hospital you would watch it in a different frame of mind.

He apparantly pulled her in by her poneytail. He knew what he was doing. There is one point where the other trainers almost manage to grab her - but he did not let them do it and pulled her away, waving his flipper at them as he did so! :eek: There is no way to tell if he was just playing and was a bit too exuberant. or whether he was aggressivley working out his frustration of being imprisioned.

I do have a question - many people in this thread are decrying the fact that no-one helped her!

How?? What?? what do you do about an Orca in the water?

Do Orca tranquilizers even exists? Bearing in mind the inches of rubber to get through? Do they exist? How long do they take to have an effect on an adrenalined alpha bull male??

Just how many people do you need in the water to control an Orca? 20 people !!??!?! Kidding right?? You'd just have 20 dead people ffs!!

Go on - you jump in first we're all right behind you!!

Tranquilisers are notoriously unstable and dangerous for the animal; tranq him and he might drown. He is worth billions to Disney. There are probably rafts of layers that anyone would have to go through to get permission to shoot Tilikum with a tranquiliser because there is so much money at stake.

The Orcas play with seals in a similar way. There is plenty of footage of Orcas pulling seals off the beachs and tossing them around in the water - but not eating them. It is behavious nobody understnads, and they recognise that it is beyond a natural instinct as it is not part of the hunt/kill/eat reflex. There is an element of pplay/cruelty that we rairly see in the animal world.



I wish that woman was still alive today. She made a mistake
and it cost her her life. Of course the animal will not be punished.
He doesn't understand human morality, he was acting as a male
Orca would. The animal behaviorists who watched the video
said he was engaged in play behavior. I've seen video of scuba divers
grabbed by the leg by large toothed whales in the wild and dragged
down into the depths (they were eventually released and swam to surface but had to spend time in a hyberbaric oxygen chamber).
The natural world is not the antiseptic safe arena of Disney World. It's the
same thing at the National Parks, more people are killed by bison.
Why? The tourists walk up to wild bison to get their photo taken
on the side of the road and get attacked and crushed to death.

Obviously I feel bad for her life being cut short by such
a tragic end and I hope Sea World will be more careful in the future.
Business as usual for corporate america where almight dollar
trumps human and animal life time and time again.

But this is a major point - what is natural about 30years in capitivity? Was the Orca acting naturally? No animal in captivity can be described as acting naturally!

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Seaworld opened it's doors to the multi-million dollar 'Killer Whale' show just 3 days later - without their star attraction.


http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/02/27/...link=mirelated

SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment President Jim Atchison said Friday that Tilikum will remain an "active, contributing member of the team," in part because the killer whale show is big business at SeaWorld. The company owns more killer whales than anyone else in the world and builds the orca image into its multimillion-dollar brand. Tilikum did not perform Saturday.

The timing of the killer whales' return to performances reflects just what the sleek black-and-white mammals mean to SeaWorld, which the private equity firm The Blackstone Group bought last fall for around $2.7 billion from Anheuser-Busch InBev in a deal that included two Busch Gardens theme parks and several other attractions.

No animal is more valuable to the Orlando operation than Tilikum, the largest orca in captivity. Captured nearly 30 years ago off Iceland, Tilikum has grown into the alpha male of captive killer whales, his value as a stud impossible to pin down. He now has been involved in the deaths of two trainers and requires a special set of handling rules, which Atchison wouldn't specify.


Yes that whale killed and has killed before. I hope you don't think I'm being too flippant here but the clue is in the question!

Killer whale. We named it that presumabley for a reason!

[mara]

Do you ever get that feeling of a creepy evil presense when you are in the proximty of anything "Disney"?

Or is that just me?


Yup, I always hated Mickey M, he used to scare me a lot when a was a kid.


And I never undestood that 'humanisation' of animals.
A duck that speaks (donald duck), a mouse that dances(mickey mouse), a dog that plays golf (goofy) :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[edelweiss pirate]

Why post this second hand media shite op?

What price originality and creativity?

[redman]

Take a big fuck off creature out of it's natural surroundings and get them to do silly tricks to entertain a bunch of fat rich families, what else do you expect to happen ??

[myth]

Take a big fuck off creature out of it's natural surroundings and get them to do silly tricks to entertain a bunch of fat rich families, what else do you expect to happen ??

Spot on. Eventually something is going to give.... and it's not going to be the 12,000lb creature.

[the apprentice]

Interesting comment there about the animals turning......
hmm..... beasts of the earth (http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/revelation/6-8.html) ?

I`d certainly agree with what you said about nature -
and yes few are listening but nature is going to be talking
more louder and maybe then people WILL hear. Link (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106818)

Those who live with nature are the very first people to notice what is happening Stalking Wolf was this type of natural.

If you look around you today the birds are really comming alive, the Nuthatch this morning has just started his mating voice and the bird boxes are now being gaurded in and around our garden, spring is slightly late this year but nature takes advantage of the situation to get what she needs done.

[wolfhead]

Do you ever get that feeling of a creepy evil presense when you are in the proximty of anything "Disney"?

Or is that just me?

Nope, it aint just you. I've always felt very uneasy about Disney - very sinister but just cant put my finger on it.

Same goes for Ronald MacDonald, Balamory (I have issues with the cop and the bloke in the pink house) - and that Justin bloke off 'Giggle Biz'.

I'd never trust any of them to baby sit.

[camreeno]

:confused: Can't you hear the screaming?There wasn't any noise when I watched the video. Was there when you watched it?

[spock]

Same goes for Ronald MacDonald, Balamory (I have issues with the cop and the bloke in the pink house).

yes. why would a rather wet looking policeman want to tell your kids about the birds and bees?
and archie used to be a comedian. there isn't any footage of him as he was a bit foul mouthed.



as for the killer whale.
they throw seals round for fun. it was displaying natural behaviour.
they are dangerous animals.....if you go in the water witht them.
lock them up in a small tank and they will get bored.

if you want to see a killer whale. get a boat.