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vikinghammer
05-03-2010, 07:37 PM
Hello,

I am looking for some answers and clarification on the Federal Reserve system or central banks in general and the power that they have and how money and banking work.

I have recently watched some videos such as Money as Debt and The Moneychangers: How international bankers took over America. What I am trying to figure out is what exactly is the biggest problem with the system, as in what is the most sinister aspect of it.

I understand that the population is basically enslaved to debt through fractional reserve banking. I understand that 90% of money in circulation is in fact debt, as in a loan that must be paid back to the banks, and that it is impossible to pay it all back being that interest is expected to be paid as well and only the principal amount is created through loans. Also, that to pay back all this debt would be to destroy the money supply so the only way to keep the system going is to issue more and more debt, keeping the population forever in debt.

From what I understand, the greatest power that the FED or central banks have is the power to control the money supply. The main way they do this is by regulating the amount of reserves that banks can have. I understand the multiplier effect of reserves. This being that increasing reserves by $1,000 would essentially increase the money supply by $10,000, being that the bank only has to keep 10% of the $1,000 and can loan out $900. This $900 then gets deposited into another bank and that bank can loan out $810 and so on. The main way the FED affects reserves is by buying or selling treasury securities in the secondary market. One thing I was confused about is how exactly purchasing treasury securities increases reserves. Say a FED bank purchases $10,000 worth of treasury bonds. How exactly does this increase reserves for banks within its district. Do the treasury bonds themselves count as reserves?

Another aspect of the FED is that people claim it is a private corporation that seeks to realize the greatest amount of profit that it can like any other corporation. I understand how it is setup, it is owned by private shareowners and run by the board of governors, who I’m sure only get appointed if the bankers want them there. I have heard the president actually has to pick from a list. The thing about this is that I found sources that say the FED gives basically all of its profit back to the treasury. The FED only owns a fairly small portion of the treasury securities issued, which they purchase in the secondary market. They also give back mostly all of the interest they earned from the securities essentially making it an interest free loan for the U.S. government. This then actually saves taxpayers money on interest that would have been owed to others had the FED not been the purchasers of the securities.

Another aspect of the system is that the government does not issue its own money, which I believe the constitution permits them to do. Certain videos and quotes from many famous people propose that the government should do so. This is another thing I can’t quite wrap my head around. I know that Lincoln did this with greenbacks and it has been done other times in history. I understand that it would eliminate the problem of the huge national debt. But what does it exactly mean if a government issued its own debt free notes? Say the government needs $10,000 for something. Would they just print this and give it out and then it would just remain in circulation? How would this not always eventually result in ridiculous inflation? How could this work?

There are many quotes from famous people of the past condemning bankers and central banks. Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Abe Lincoln, Andrew Jackson, Woodrow Wilson, Thomas Edison all have drastic quotes about the banking system and money. Even quotes by bankers such the Rockefellers and Rothchilds and various other bankers themselves arrogantly speaking of the power that they have.

So what I’m asking is what is the biggest problem here? What is their biggest form of power of countries? Fractional reserve banking? The power of central banks to control the money supply? The fact that the government does not issue its own money?

ethan_allen
05-03-2010, 08:51 PM
The biggest problem with the Federal Reserve doesn't have anything to do with money, which has its own problems of course.

No, the biggest problem with the Fed is that it violates some of the most fundamental laws of the United States, including the enumerated powers listed for Congress by the constitution.

Section 8 Article 1 states: The Congress shall have power To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

I don't know, none of that says anything about giving powers of coin printing and taxation to a private bank ruled by a private council for private interests.

We had a small group of very rich men (Warburg, Col. House, Morgan, etc) that wanted control of the nation's monetary system... for their own gain of course. And they helped craft the Federal Reserve (again, in private) and got it passed.

The great crime of the Federal Reserve Act is that it stripped away the public's ability to have any say over the government's power of printing, taxation, and inflation and now it's all become one large bank robbery. This isn't the only crime of the Reserve, but it's the heart of the crime. The bloodtrails begin with the shredding of checks and balances and the removal of the American people from their own money.

sergeant
06-03-2010, 12:03 AM
I agree ethan_allen.

More, if you look at the US Debt clock (http://www.usdebtclock.org/):
The Federal "Public" books list national debt at +$12,000,000,000.00 and every tax payer owes almost $114,000.00

More, Congress authorized it to go to $14,300,000,000.00

If you count the unfunded liabilities the total is +$107,600,000,000.00 and liability per citizen is almost $350,000.00

There is no effort in the slightest to reverse this from anywhere in Washington. Eventually it will become known we can't pay our debts and the USD will be worthless.

Federal reserve is just a lying sack of thieves.

Bend over ... your dollar today quite literally won't be worth ten cents in our "closer than you think" future.

om_tat_sat
06-03-2010, 05:42 AM
The Federal Reserve printing money devalues the currency destroying savings and amounts to a hidden tax on the people:
Bernanke: "Inflation is a tax" - YouTube (7/16/08 Ron Paul, Bernanke)

broadperspective
06-03-2010, 05:49 AM
You grasped the concept quite well !

The only thing that I'm surprized you asked is : "Why would it benefit the Government to print its own money when it would lead to inflation ?

Inflation can occur with a Private Central Bank issuing money or the Government itself.

With a private Central Bank, you got 2 problems to look after:
1- Debt based money, therefore you always need to create more to pay for what's do + interest = For sure there will be inflation at some point !!

2- Inflation will eventually occur because of the debt based system making it so !

With Government printing it's own money, there's only inflation to look after, since there's no more debt !! 1 problem instead of 2 !!

The output of money can always be controlled to prevent inflation but there's nothing you can do against a debt based system....since it's slavery for ever under those circumstances !!

The total amount of money created should always more or less equal the GDP of a nation or its total capability of creating products and / or services on an annual basis.

To answer your final questions...THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THAT EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR created is owed, therefore everything we see around us isn't really ours....... Knowing that, you can easily understand how major political decisions are then easily controlled on behalf of the Private Central Banks !!! FREEDOM OF A NATION IS NON EXISTENT UNDER SUCH CONDITIONS !!!

vikinghammer
06-03-2010, 05:40 PM
[QUOTE=broadperspective;1058694032]
The only thing that I'm surprized you asked is : "Why would it benefit the Government to print its own money when it would lead to inflation ?

Inflation can occur with a Private Central Bank issuing money or the Government itself.
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I understand that it would certainly benefit the government if they just printed money. But doing so would increase the money suppy by the amount that they printed everytime they did it. With all the spending that they do I don't understand how it would not get out of control.

As of now they issue treasury securities. Yes it increases the money supply when the FED purchases these but it doesnt increase the money supply when anyone else does. Yes this means the government is massively in debt which is the burden of the taxpayers but would printing all this money instead not devalue the dollar to the point where it wouldnt really make a difference? Would it be any different as to whether we are in $12 trillion in debt or that our dollar is so devalued due to the government just printing $12 trillion dollars and increasing the money supply by this amount?

Or am I missing something?

danster82
06-03-2010, 05:48 PM
The key point here is its not the fed thats making the profit its the member banks who are seen as part of the "free and open market" where all profits are fair game or so people think and the multinational corporations, these are the methods by which they realise their profits, without the fed the banks could only loan real money on deposit.

The fed is the central controlling mechanism its power not profit.

The national debt is not owed to the fed its owed to the banks and corporations who get their free money from the fed because they are a part of the cartel.

Just read Modern Money mechanics they are completely open about this.

broadperspective
06-03-2010, 10:16 PM
[QUOTE=broadperspective;1058694032]
The only thing that I'm surprized you asked is : "Why would it benefit the Government to print its own money when it would lead to inflation ?

Inflation can occur with a Private Central Bank issuing money or the Government itself.
QUOTE]

I understand that it would certainly benefit the government if they just printed money. But doing so would increase the money suppy by the amount that they printed everytime they did it. With all the spending that they do I don't understand how it would not get out of control.

As of now they issue treasury securities. Yes it increases the money supply when the FED purchases these but it doesnt increase the money supply when anyone else does. Yes this means the government is massively in debt which is the burden of the taxpayers but would printing all this money instead not devalue the dollar to the point where it wouldnt really make a difference? Would it be any different as to whether we are in $12 trillion in debt or that our dollar is so devalued due to the government just printing $12 trillion dollars and increasing the money supply by this amount?

Or am I missing something?

Yes you're missing the point...

You have to simplify your reasoning here with our present system.

1- Every dollar created is a debt dollar.
2- Not only do we have to re-pay all of that but interest also.
3- That means we have to constantly print new money to pay back the old money owed. It's a circle that never ends and increases inflation for ever !!!!!
Look at what money was worth back in 1913 compared to now.

Now keep the reasoning simple again if we only have a truly Government owned Central bank issuing and printing credit money backed by true value in life (products/services/land/etc.) instead of debt money, created infinitely out of thin air.

1-You control the creation and printing, therefore you incorporate a money system within a solid constitution. New money would be created but based on the work force capacity of a nation. The GDP or yearly capacity to produce products and or services and the value associated with that.

2- You can always control when and how to reduce the amount of money in circulation with less loans being put out...but not with a Private Central Bank in place, because the policies are always influenced from the real controllers of that debt.


You seem to think inflation isn't as much with a Central Private Bank and that's where your understanding is flawed in this case. It's as worse or even worse because the inflation spiral can't be stopped with a Private Central Bank......because you don't have a choice, but to continously create new money under a private system !!!!

broadperspective
06-03-2010, 10:34 PM
The key point here is its not the fed thats making the profit its the member banks who are seen as part of the "free and open market" where all profits are fair game or so people think and the multinational corporations, these are the methods by which they realise their profits, without the fed the banks could only loan real money on deposit.

The fed is the central controlling mechanism its power not profit.

The national debt is not owed to the fed its owed to the banks and corporations who get their free money from the fed because they are a part of the cartel.

Just read Modern Money mechanics they are completely open about this.

Yes you're right but for the sake of any discussion regarding this matter, it's OK to say money is owed through the FED mechanism, which basically means the member banks and affiliates of this profit system.