Waking up from David Icke's dreamworld.

[caleb]

After listening to recent talks by "that strange man in Canada", Alan Watt, who, it would appear, is working on a new book, I get the impression that Watt is going to include information about David Icke that may be the evidence that Icke sought from Watt about the claim that he is a Freemason.

I am interested to know what other forum members would feel, if it came to light, that the whole Icke gig was just another Illuminati PsyOp designed to lead some of the more awake sheeple to a pen where they can be more easily manipulated/managed.

After all, if David really is a Freemason, he would be adept at keeping secrets, wouldn't he?

[soglad]

Oh God.......

[phoebe]

Oh God.......

What?

[soglad]

Nothing.....

[caleb]

Nothing.....
Nothing? Is it just to awful a scenario to even contemplate?
Stuck in a world of illusion, where all you need is infinate love and everything else is bollocks?
It's a very good way of stopping people asking awkward questions, isn't it?

[soglad]

Nothing? Is it just to awful a scenario to even contemplate?
Stuck in a world of illusion, where all you need is infinate love and everything else is bollocks?
It's a very good way of stopping people asking awkward questions, isn't it?

No no no, it's just, y'know, Watt's been asked multiple times to produce......well......y'know......evidence....whi ch is kind of vital when making accusations......and he still hasn't shown anything........so..........yeah

Good luck with that mate.

;)

[soglad]

Actually, I challenge you to show me evidence that David's a freemason, or else I'll lock this thread, since it based on a foundation of lies.

Go on, change my world.

[1 2 free]

Nothing? Is it just to awful a scenario to even contemplate?
Stuck in a world of illusion, where all you need is infinate love and everything else is bollocks?
It's a very good way of stopping people asking awkward questions, isn't it?

This forum is full of people questioning things. So if he is a mason trying to shut out brains down he's fucking shit at it.

[phoebe]

No no no, it's just, y'know, Watt's been asked multiple times to produce......well......y'know......evidence....whi ch is kind of vital when making accusations......and he still hasn't shown anything........so..........yeah

Good luck with that mate.

;)

If 'evidence' was produced
Would you believe it then?

[soglad]

If 'evidence' was produced
Would you believe it then?

Of course, I'd stop being a mod here.

So go on, change me.

[kashmirz]

If he was, then by god the masons fucked up royal on this one mate, they have sparked awarness, they have sparked furthur learning, and most of the people here use this forum because it is a common ground for this sort of information and not because of what icke says (ive seen two videos of his and thats it)

So if he was, and i sincerly doubt it, Thanks Freemasons :) for bringing about your own destruction <3 <3


Buh Bye

[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Caleb.

I wouldn't give a flying fuck if Icke is a freemason or not. Information, from whatever source that it comes from is merely that, information. What you choose to do with it and how you allow it to effect your life is entirely up to yourself.

Every individuated aspect, soul, is a part of the sum totality of creation, ALL THAT IS. Whatever each individual aspects chooses to think, do or say is entirely their own choice and has absolutely nothing to do with me.

So which ever way it turns out, it will have zero effect on WHO I AM and what I choose to think, do and say. What I choose to think, do and say is entirley my own personal individuated expression for me to create the experience of WHO I AM, and I am the one that has total control of what it is that I express and therefore experience.

THANK YOU.



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[caleb]

Actually, I challenge you to show me evidence that David's a freemason, or else I'll lock this thread, since it based on a foundation of lies.

Go on, change my world.
If you read my original post , I stated that I get the impression that watt is going to include evidence of these allegations in his new book. I have not stated that Icke is a Freemason.

[lostinstrangeworld]

I feel that David Icke is simply a passionate seeker of truth.

He is only human and his research is bound not be 100% accurate. Discernment is wise and logical.

But to say that he is part of the Illuminati....or yet another part of some intricate conspiracy.......to me is paranoid, but that's just my opinion.

Perhaps people's minds are confused. It's easily done, considering the world we live in. But let's just try to listen to our hearts for a moment.

[soglad]

Tell me, what freemason would want to make people want to leave their jobs? What freemason would want people to resist the NWO, freemason and the system? What freemason would encourage people to think for themselves and do not have any idols??

Even if he would cause "complacency" within people, that has NOTHING to do with Icke, that's the person's response, and theirs only..

Come when you have evidence.

Thanks...

[soglad]

Sorry guys for locking the thread, now let discuss this.

:D

[matrixcutter]

Ok, I apologise. Have your original thread back (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10683).

I'm sorry this has upset you all so much.

Thanks,

Dav.
It hasn't upset me at all, it has merely confirmed what I already know.

But if you've opened it again then it's almost like I have no point now.

LOL

(The thread was locked before I could answer in the appropriate thread.)

[phoebe]

A very wise decision soglad.
Hats off to you.

(to those who protested: people power!!! ;))

[tinmenace]

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/emotes/whine.gif

After listening to recent talks by "that strange man in Canada", Alan Watt, who, it would appear, is working on a new book, I get the impression that Watt is going to include information about David Icke that may be the evidence that Icke sought from Watt about the claim that he is a Freemason.

I am interested to know what other forum members would feel, if it came to light, that the whole Icke gig was just another Illuminati PsyOp designed to lead some of the more awake sheeple to a pen where they can be more easily manipulated/managed.

After all, if David really is a Freemason, he would be adept at keeping secrets, wouldn't he?

[razed1]

ahh maybe there is hope...


i'll take that stuff i said about you back soglad

[soglad]

(to those who protested: people power!!! ;))

I'm more interesting in how this will evolve.

If it does end up an abuse-fest then I was right to do it. But let's just see.

So, what has this guys Watt really said?

[phoebe]

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/emotes/whine.gif

A most well thought out and composed response tin.
Well done. :)

[tinmenace]

A most well thought out and composed response tin.
Well done. :)

Well I appreciate your ... er..."comment"..mmmkay...

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[matrixcutter]

If it does end up an abuse-fest then I was right to do it. But let's just see.
A pre-emptive closure?

So, what has this guys Watt really said?
Didn't the original poster say that it was to be in the upcoming book (which may or may not be true). Hasn't this point been made again since the thread closure?

(Edit: in other threads which have now disappeared completely, having been locked almost immediately.)

Recently there was fuss made by Icke, saying that Watt had claimed (recently) that Icke was a freemason, but nobody provided any proof of this.

Did you close down any threads which discussed Icke's assertion? Icke even did a newsletter about it, but only for the price of a quarter of a pint of beer, so it's virtually free, thousands of times over.

[phoebe]

I'm more interesting in how this will evolve.

If it does end up an abuse-fest then I was right to do it. But let's just see.

So, what has this guys Watt really said?

Well I'm glad we're not out to stop 'precrime' anyway.

My thoughts on this are
That it doesn't really matter if David Icke is a mason.
For example
Not all masons are 'bad'.
We have to realise that there are certain
Factions within these groups/secret societies that are
Part of the agenda
But there are also factions within these
Groups/secret societies that are working
Against the agenda and are on 'our side'.

I don't personally think he is a mason.
But I do believe that a lot of what he says
Has been 'fed' to him by the PTB
And that generally, he helps the agenda
(Albeit possibly unwittingly)
By writing the fearmongering stuff he does.

[soglad]

A pre-emptive closure?


Didn't the original poster say that it was to be in the upcoming book (which may or may not be true). Hasn't this point been made again since the thread closure?

Recently there was fuss made by Icke, saying that Watt had claimed (recently) that Icke was a freemason, but nobody provided any proof of this.

Did you close down any threads which discussed Icke's assertion? Icke even did a newsletter about it, but only for the price of a quarter of a pint of beer, so it's virtually free, thousands of times over.

Yes, where he basically tore Watt apart.

I'd really appreciate evidence on this, as without a shred (which is what we don't even have here) it's basically unfounded. It's like me saying that Alan Watts is a toy-boy to the friggin' Pope, then leaving it out there having people argue over it when it's just unfounded to begin with, but yes, I shall await this book.

[soglad]

For example
Not all masons are 'bad'.


Yes, that's a very good point!

I wonder, is there any records of David being in any freemason groups?

[tinmenace]

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/claptrap.jpg

After listening to recent talks by "that strange man in Canada", Alan Watt, who, it would appear, is working on a new book, I get the impression that Watt is going to include information about David Icke that may be the evidence that Icke sought from Watt about the claim that he is a Freemason.

I am interested to know what other forum members would feel, if it came to light, that the whole Icke gig was just another Illuminati PsyOp designed to lead some of the more awake sheeple to a pen where they can be more easily manipulated/managed.

After all, if David really is a Freemason, he would be adept at keeping secrets, wouldn't he?

If and when this book comes out, saying that David is a Freemason, then that's good reason to discuss it along with any evidence....until then it's slander because there is no proof....once again.:rolleyes:

And once again, Phoebe, it's interesting to see what IS on your radar versus what is not. You challenge those supporting David and support those challenging David. You ARE a troll, just like I've always said you were.

[phoebe]

Well I appreciate your ... er..."comment"..mmmkay...

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/emotes/MrMackey.jpg


Shouldn't you be off practising your 'inner work' tin?


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[matrixcutter]

Yes, where he basically tore Watt apart.
If you say so.

I'd really appreciate evidence on this, as without a shred (which is what we don't even have here) it's basically unfounded.
I don't know how many times you need to be told that this book isn't out yet, and probably isn't even written yet. It may not even mention Icke, but nobody said that it definitely would, as you know.

It's like me saying that Alan Watts
Alan Watts died decades ago, we are talking about Alan Watt.

is a toy-boy to the friggin' Pope, then leaving it out there having people argue over it when it's just unfounded to begin with,
What, you mean like a thread in which pictures of people are posted, and people say that they are shape-shifting reptilians, based on these pictures?

but yes, I shall await this book.
So you did understand that the book isn't out yet?
Weird.

[tinmenace]

Shouldn't you be off practising your 'inner work' tin?


http://realgoodmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/head-up-arse.jpg

Shouldn't you try stop telling me what to do, control-freak? :rolleyes:

[soglad]

What, you mean like a thread in which pictures of people are posted, and people say that they are shape-shifting reptilians, based on these pictures?

Nope, because they're bullshit too.

I understand that we've to wait for this book. But given David's reputation, you'd think someone would have figured out if he's freemason way before now, eh?

[soglad]

Shouldn't you be off practising your 'inner work' tin?


http://realgoodmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/head-up-arse.jpg

Looks like my intuition serve me right, as per usual.

I told you this will only end up an abusive thread.

Let's continue...

[phoebe]

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/claptrap.jpg



If and when this book comes out, saying that David is a Freemason, then that's good reason to discuss it along with any evidence....until then it's slander because there is no proof....once again.:rolleyes:

And once again, Phoebe, it's interesting to see what IS on your radar versus what is not. You challenge those supporting David and support those challenging David. You ARE a troll, just like I've always said you were.



Are you blind?
Or are you only seeing
What you want to see (as usual?)

And as usual
You label anyone who doesn't agree with you
Or David Icke
As a troll.
I'm not a troll.

Tell me how what I posted is in support of
Those challenging David
When I said I don't think he is a mason?
And if by 'those challenging David'
You mean the originator of this thread
Perhaps you haven't noticed that person
Is a premier subscriber?
Therefore giving their hard earned cash
To SUPPORT David.

My thoughts on this are
That it doesn't really matter if David Icke is a mason.
For example
Not all masons are 'bad'.
We have to realise that there are certain
Factions within these groups/secret societies that are
Part of the agenda
But there are also factions within these
Groups/secret societies that are working
Against the agenda and are on 'our side'.

I don't personally think he is a mason.
But I do believe that a lot of what he says
Has been 'fed' to him by the PTB
And that generally, he helps the agenda
(Albeit possibly unwittingly)
By writing the fearmongering stuff he does.


I will not be arguing with you on this thread further tin
Because I know you would like to see it end up in the rant room.

[thetonic]

whhooop Here we go Phoebe vs. Tinmenace round 15! Why dont you two just join and make love , you know you want to !:D

[matrixcutter]

What, you mean like a thread in which pictures of people are posted, and people say that they are shape-shifting reptilians, based on these pictures?
Nope, because they're bullshit too.
Don't get closed though do they.
Double standards. You've just admitted it, whether you realised that or not.

I understand that we've to wait for this book. But given David's reputation, you'd think someone would have figured out if he's freemason way before now, eh?
What makes you think they haven't? Because you haven't?

(I am not saying Icke is or is not a freemason, I honestly don't know. But a lot of people seem to know that he isn't one, some of whom have the "power" to censor discussion about it, however briefly.)

[phoebe]

Looks like my intuition serve me right, as per usual.

I told you this will only end up an abusive thread.

Let's continue...


Let it be noted how it was MY reponse to tinmenace's
Abuse of ME that has been quoted as being 'abusive'.

lol

Anyway soglad rest assured
I will no longer take it as given
That myself or anyone else can
Say what they think on this forum.

[matrixcutter]

Shouldn't you be off practising your 'inner work' tin?

http://realgoodmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/head-up-arse.jpg
Looks like my intuition serve me right, as per usual.

I told you this will only end up an abusive thread.

Let's continue...
You could just remove the abusive posts, or move the entire thread. Closing it down is blatant censorship.

Removing a thread altogether once it's been closed speaks volumes.

[soglad]

You could just remove the abusive posts, or move the entire thread.

Looks like it's heading that way.

No, I'll leave the abusive ones in.

As a proof-reader.

[phoebe]

whhooop Here we go Phoebe vs. Tinmenace round 15! Why dont you two just join and make love , you know you want to !:D

I've already asked her.
She totally blanked me :(

[joss classey]

say all you like about icke

please

call him everything under the sun

[tinmenace]

Let it be noted how it was MY reponse to tinmenace's
Abuse of ME that has been quoted as being 'abusive'.

lol

Anyway soglad rest assured
I will no longer take it as given
That myself or anyone else can
Say what they think on this forum.

You don't fool me. I'm telling it like I see it and you cannot deny it.

What is on Phoebe's radar?

To challenge all those in favor of David's work

AND

To defend all those not in favor of David's work.



That's you in a nutshell.



You may fool some people. You don't fool me. I called it like I see it. And, the way I see it is that you are NOT here to learn or share, but only to challenge condescendingly, to be contrary and patronizing.

You have an agenda here. You know it and I know it. ;)

[matrixcutter]

say all you like about icke

please

call him everything under the sun
You could mock his intelligence in a Brummy accent, but chiefly as an act of revenge.

[sean]

At any given opportunity, such as a thread like this being reopened accidently, the typical response from those who cry "FOUL" at the moderators for binding and gagging them from speaking the "truth" - is to again cry "FOUL" and not to discus the topic at hand.

What is the topic at hand?

That another guy has information that David Icke is a freemason? Yet nobody quite knows what this information is. Most people have seen this same argument play over and over again with no supporting evidence, yet feel content to post lies and abusive rants towards David as if the forum guidelines have been temporarily suspended for the day.

Well, they haven't.

And second hand quoting isn't a way of getting round starting up topics that bait people into the tired old discussion of Icke is a freemason Vs Icke isn't a freemason.

Please don't post abusive topics towards other people on here, or troll the forums in order to waste everybody elses time.

Thread closed.