Fatness is now a sign of poverty

[tiswas]

In many nations, fatness is now classed as a poverty because all the rubbish given to the masses is terrible. Also the food is cheaper and not of good quality.

[gorgeousbutterfly]

No suprise there.

[i_am]

I am sure all of the overweight rich people and those who are overweight due to some medical reason are pleased to hear that.

[tiswas]

No i am, my argument is that the working classes are now shown to be more overweight than the upper classes. Did you know gym membership is very expensive.

[notaslave]

What bollocks... going by that I should be mega rich - and I aint.

This is probably going to be force fed to the "working classes" so that they all get stick thin like Victoria "Concentration Camp" Beckham. It will work too for most of the working class of UK are so afraid of being working class they will do anything but admit to being it.

[i_am]

No i am, my argument is that the working classes are now shown to be more overweight than the upper classes. Did you know gym membership is very expensive.

Of course I know how much it costs to join a gym! Walking is the best excercise and it costs nothing.

..and sorry but I am not into this whole class thing. People are people, be they rich, poor, black, white or brindle.

[limelady]

Where I live it is cheaper to eat better quality food than it is to eat take-out junk food.

People eat junk food not because they suffer poverty, but because they are lazy and cannot be bothered thinking about what they eat. They'd rather get a pizza and some beers than spend time in the kitchen preparing a proper, balanced meal. Their obesity is merely a reflection of their state of mind.....nothing to do with being rich or poor.

[synak]

I work out regardless and I have no gym membership. Healthy food can be very high priced in comparison to the junk food (no coincidence there) in supermarkets and the sort here but your best bet is fruit and vegetables. Soy milk can actually be made at home too.

[tiswas]

Have you notice this limelady, that when a woman is overweight it is like saying that she is happy with her station in life. I hate it when I take the kids shopping, and they all demand that wretched Mcdonalds from me - Why kids???? I cooked at home beforehand.
Also I live in a area, where you can see who is working or middle class.
The working class ladies will have generally no pride in the appearance cos they are brainwashed by the media telling them how to behave, eat and so on. Another factor is that very good clothes are expensive.

[i_am]

Have you notice this limelady, that when a woman is overweight it is like saying that she is happy with her station in life. I hate it when I take the kids shopping, and they all demand that wretched Mcdonalds from me - Why kids???? I cooked at home beforehand.
Also I live in a area, where you can see who is working or middle class.
The working class ladies will have generally no pride in the appearance cos they are brainwashed by the media telling them how to behave, eat and so on. Another factor is that very good clothes are expensive.

What is with this 'everything is expensive' rubbish?

Good food is not expensive. You see people in the supermarkets with their trolleys loaded with cakes and chips and cartons of coke. That is far more expensive than fruit and vegetables.

Gym membership is expensive but there is no need to join a gym to excercise.

Brand name clothes may be expensive but there is no need to buy them. There are inexpensive options and what is wrong with second hand clothes?

[damagedbrainn]

I always thought that this was common knowledge and am surprised to see people disagreeing with it, but I guess that's because I actually grew up poor.

Yes, cheap food is loaded with fillers such as starch, fat, and sugar. Cheap meat has more fat on it than the more expensive types. Cheap cereals, breads, noodles, etc....contain more starch than any sort of grains. Cheap fruits are canned fruits, which are loaded with sugar. Then there's the cheapest drink you can buy, Kool-Aid, and that just begs for a sugar to be added. All food that is cheaper is so for a reason and that reason isn't charity.

However, this more a matter of health rather than weight. I grew up eating that crap and I've always been skinny (I'm one of those that never gains weight regardless of what or how much they eat). Likewise, there are people who remain "overweight" regardless of what they eat.

[notaslave]

If you have to work for a living, you are at most 3 pay cheques away from poverty.

First they came for the smokers (I am one), then they came for the overweight and next they come for you.

[damagedbrainn]

What is with this 'everything is expensive' rubbish?

Good food is not expensive. You see people in the supermarkets with their trolleys loaded with cakes and chips and cartons of coke. That is far more expensive than fruit and vegetables.

Gym membership is expensive but there is no need to join a gym to excercise.

Brand name clothes may be expensive but there is no need to buy them. There are inexpensive options and what is wrong with second hand clothes?

Have you ever actually been poor? Do you even know what cheap food is? Have you ever bought it? Do you really think that you can feed a family off of cheap fruits and vegetables? That you can give a hungry child a fucking apple for dinner? Is fresh fruit REALLY that damn cheap, or do you just think that because you've never really compared the price of that to things like a pack of hot dogs, or bologna, white rice, beans, macaroni and cheese, chicken, etc...? No, fruit is not that cheap when you consider how much of it you have to eat to cover three meals a day, particularly if a whole family is involved.

Yeah, poor people eat all that disgusting crap because we LOVE it.

Have a little sense. That shit is offensive.

[i_am]

I grew up eating that crap and I've always been skinny (I'm one of those that never gains weight regardless of what or how much they eat). Likewise, there are people who remain "overweight" regardless of what they eat.


Yep. that would be me :rolleyes:

I have battled weight all of my life. As you get older it is much harder to lose.

I eat healthy, excercise, am quite fit and healthy but cannot lose the weight. I am not rich but neither am I poor. I dress well and care about how I look and I have accepted myself for who I am. Would I still like to lose weight? Absolutely!!

I guess generalisations and separateness really bug me on any level :)

[i_am]

Have you ever actually been poor? Do you even know what cheap food is? Have you ever bought it? Do you really think that you can feed a family off of cheap fruits and vegetables? That you can give a hungry child a fucking apple for dinner? Is fresh fruit REALLY that damn cheap, or do you just think that because you've never really compared the price of that to things like a pack of hot dogs, or bologna, white rice, beans, macaroni and cheese, chicken, etc...? No, fruit is not that cheap when you consider how much of it you have to eat to cover three meals a day, particularly if a whole family is involved.

Yeah, poor people eat all that disgusting crap because we LOVE it.

Have a little sense. That shit is offensive.

Yes I have been poor, very poor and yes I have fed a family on very little.

[tiswas]

Also there is lots of comfort eating going on, and due to media and TV pressures the wife will start to eat out of depression. I do agree that fattening food is cheaper, and it is more filling. Go to any high street and there is always a Mcdonalds to tempt the kids, as well as adults.

[synak]

I felt like I did something evil to myself like smoke a carton of cigarettes or something the last time I ate some McDonalds lol. Never again...

[limelady]

Mind mush for the masses is a phrase that comes to mind here. People 'buy' into programming. They end up living the programming because they are so brain-mushed they cannot think for themselves.

Like i_am said, good food is no more expensive than crap food. People are so 'mind-mushed' they cannot be bothered thinking about what to eat and whats good for them and whats not. So they take the easy way out and buy crap at Mackers.......because its not only the "in" thing to do....its saves thinking!

If you eat crap you will be crap....but then its crap thoughts that start this whole process off, so we end up with a catch 22.

Bottom line is, we are what we eat. Eat crap, you become crap....unless of course you have learnt how to over-write the program ;)

[tiswas]

Did you know limelady that Mcdonalds is painted red for a high turnover of customers, and fast music is played so that the 'food' can be eaten quicker.
Do not forget that a fat wive is not a threat to a man, cos she won't be able to better herself. Also the food she buys is mostly filling carbs and real fatty pieces of meat because she has to pay the bills and kids clothes.
Thinness on the other hand show this person is one of the beautiful people.

[limelady]

Did you know limelady that Mcdonalds is painted red for a high turnover of customers, and fast music is played so that the 'food' can be eaten quicker.
Do not forget that a fat wive is not a threat to a man, cos she won't be able to better herself. Also the food she buys is mostly filling carbs and real fatty pieces of meat because she has to pay the bills and kids clothes.
Thinness on the other hand show this person is one of the beautiful people.


Yep.....like I said....people have bought into the programming! :D

BTW....its not fatty meat that makes people fat, its processed cabohydrates! They make you feel
full initially, but they raise your insulin, deplete your pancreas, then drop you liike a lead balloon, leaving you feeling hungier than ever. It a yo-yo way to eat, and leads to type 2 diabetes. Bulk protein on the other hand, fills you up and sustains you for much longer......and doesn't make you fat!

At mackers, if you tossed away the bun, and only ate the rest, youd be far better off!

EDIT: But not really, because the food is SO lacking in nutrients, you'd end up suffering terminal deficiencies in the long run.....but hey, at least you wouldn't be fat!!!

[damagedbrainn]

Yes I have been poor, very poor and yes I have fed a family on very little.

If that's true, then you really should know better. Are you seriously going to tell me that when you were poor, you ate almost nothing but healthy foods? Like what?

Yes, middle-class and upper-class people eat a lot of crap like, as you said, cakes and chips and cokes and a large variety of junk food. However, poor people cannot afford to waste their money on cakes and chips and cokes and candy bars or really any large quantity of snack foods. Poor people have to concentrate solely on meals, and there are times when planning for 3 meals is being optimistic. And that's where the cheap food comes in...the REAL cheap food....the food that's cheaper than both the brand name junk food and the healthy food that most people have the luxury of choosing between. If you were poor, then you should know this...so why in the world you tried to make it look otherwise is beyond me.

[limelady]

If that's true, then you really should know better. Are you seriously going to tell me that when you were poor, you ate almost nothing but healthy foods? Like what?

Yes, middle-class and upper-class people eat a lot of crap like, as you said, cakes and chips and cokes and a large variety of junk food. However, poor people cannot afford to waste their money on cakes and chips and cokes and candy bars or really any large quantity of snack foods. Poor people have to concentrate solely on meals, and there are times when planning for 3 meals is being optimistic. And that's where the cheap food comes in...the REAL cheap food....the food that's cheaper than both the brand name junk food and the healthy food that most people have the luxury of choosing between. If you were poor, then you should know this...so why in the world you tried to make it look otherwise is beyond me.

What??? This doesn't even make sense!

I have been EXTREMELY poor, yet still managed to use my imagination to keep a family of 3 kids fed and healthy over a period of years.

Why are you attacking i_am about this?

[joss classey]

connections made by ideas to create a reality which perpetuates the negativity fuelled by the emotional negativity which needs justification for it

HA

as you can see. do away with the negativity and the links are lost. it loses its power

[damagedbrainn]

What??? This doesn't even make sense!

I have been EXTREMELY poor, yet still managed to use my imagination to keep a family of 3 kids fed and healthy over a period of years.

Why are you attacking i_am about this?

Really? And what did you feed them? Where are you from? Because, sorry, this just doesn't sound like America. And what do you mean by EXTREMELY poor?

[i_am]

If that's true, then you really should know better. Are you seriously going to tell me that when you were poor, you ate almost nothing but healthy foods? Like what?

Yes, middle-class and upper-class people eat a lot of crap like, as you said, cakes and chips and cokes and a large variety of junk food. However, poor people cannot afford to waste their money on cakes and chips and cokes and candy bars or really any large quantity of snack foods. Poor people have to concentrate solely on meals, and there are times when planning for 3 meals is being optimistic. And that's where the cheap food comes in...the REAL cheap food....the food that's cheaper than both the brand name junk food and the healthy food that most people have the luxury of choosing between. If you were poor, then you should know this...so why in the world you tried to make it look otherwise is beyond me.


Yes it is true and of course I have used rice, pasta, potatoes, bread as fillers when I had to because I had run out of money before pay day and what I could do with a pound of mince was a wonder to behold. However, I did not buy junk food and a vegetable bake is so easy to make and can be really yummie. Beans are nutritional as are chick peas. Burgers made with these can be absolutely delicious and cost virtually nothing.

Perhaps nutritional food is cheaper and easier to get here than in America ?

And if I had the money to buy MacDonalds I would prefer to buy fruit.

[synak]

And if I had the money to buy MacDonalds I would prefer to buy fruit.

Ditto.

[damagedbrainn]

Yes it is true and of course I have used rice, pasta, potatoes, bread as fillers when I had to because I had run out of money before pay day and what I could do with a pound of mince was a wonder to behold. However, I did not buy junk food and a vegetable bake is so easy to make and can be really yummie. Beans are nutritional as are chick peas. Burgers made with these can be absolutely delicious and cost virtually nothing.

Perhaps nutritional food is cheaper and easier to get here than in America ?

And if I had the money to buy MacDonalds I would prefer to buy fruit.

So in other words, yeah, you did eat unhealthy food when that's all you could afford. Take a second look at your statement "of course I have used rice, pasta, potatoes, bread as fillers when I had to because I had run out of money before pay day". So you would buy these foods whenever you would run out of money. And that says what? That those foods are CHEAPER. Why else would you have to resort to using them when you ran low on money? Therefore, stating that it's just as cheap to eat healthy as it is to buy this other stuff is not true.

Okay?

[limelady]

Really? And what did you feed them? Where are you from? Because, sorry, this just doesn't sound like America. And what do you mean by EXTREMELY poor?


No, not America....New Zealand is where Iraised my kids.

Poor meant only having a certain amount of money (never enough) to feed and clothe my kids. I used to by food as cheaply as I could from local markets and make all sorts of different meals with what I purchased. If I bought meat, Id make 3 meals out of just a 1/2 kilo of cheap stewing meat.....and any veggies I bought, Id make soup, then keep adding to it each night. If there was left-over soup, I'd add flour, onions, baking powder etc, and make soup fritters. Its amazing how resourceful you can become with a bit of cunning nouse and imagination.

Trust me....I was VERY poor! :eek:

[i_am]

So in other words, yeah, you did eat unhealthy food when that's all you could afford. Take a second look at your statement "of course I have used rice, pasta, potatoes, bread as fillers when I had to because I had run out of money before pay day". So you would buy these foods whenever you would run out of money. And that says what? That those foods are CHEAPER. Why else would you have to resort to using them when you ran low on money? Therefore, stating that it's just as cheap to eat healthy as it is to buy this other stuff is not true.

Okay?

No!! It doesn't mean that at all. When I ran out of money I would feed the kids on as much healthy stuff as I could and supplement it with whatever was in the cupboard if necesssary. I still have rice and pasta in the cupboard but rarely eat it. It isn't and never has been a staple diet.

So you would buy these foods whenever you would run out of money.

If I had no money I wasn't buying anything :rolleyes:

[garth]

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[damagedbrainn]

No, not America....New Zealand is where Iraised my kids.

Poor meant only having a certain amount of money (never enough) to feed and clothe my kids. I used to by food as cheaply as I could from local markets and make all sorts of different meals with what I purchased. If I bought meat, Id make 3 meals out of just a 1/2 kilo of cheap stewing meat.....and any eggies I bought, Id make soup, then keep adding to it each night. If there was left-over soup, I'd add flour, onions, bakaing powder etc, and make soup fritters. Its amazing how resourceful you can become with a bit of resourcefulness and imagination.

Trust me....I was VERY poor! :eek:

And how much fat was on that cheap stewing meat? A lot. I know because I've eaten it. I have no idea what "eggies" are, though I am quite familiar with the bottomless bowls of soup, which were mostly water and broth (heavy sodium and fat content). Flour is very cheap and not healthy at all....it's nothing but starch. Baking powder has no nutritional value whatsoever as far as I know.

Both your and I_am's answers are proving my point, and I think there's a serious miscommunication going on here. You two seem to be arguing that not eating typical junk food is the same as eating healthy. It's not. Cheap foods are cheaply made. Cheaper junk food contains more filler than other junk food. Cheaper fast food contains more filler than other restaraunt food. And cheaper meal foods contain more filler than other meal foods. Quality costs more. It's basic economics.

[i_am]

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YES SIR, CHOPPER, SIR!

ROFLMAO

[garth]

Gym membership is expensive but there is no need to join a gym to excercise.

What you can expect from Chopper’s Health Retreat
Day 1: Step machine
Forget the step machine, use the f**king stairs. I know a lot of f**kin’
idiots who take the lift up to their gym, then they pay 20 bucks to get on a
step machine. Just take the f**king stairs! That way by the time you get to
the gym on level 31 you can just buy one of those fluoro blue isotonic
drinks and f**k off down the stairs again.

Day 2: Jogging
Your pale, pasty skin might not have seen the sun for years, so get your
arse outside and get some fresh f**king air. And if you are short for
motivation tie yourself to a school bus, there’s nothing like the fear of
being dragged across a bitumen road with children laughing at you to keep
the pace up. Once again if you drive to your gym then pay 20 bucks to get on
a treadmill you are a deads***.

Day 3: Swimming
If you want to get fit you should always get a good solid base by swimming
some distance. When I was a personal trainer to those who owed me cash I
would combine swimming with weight training, you can tell someone is putting
in 110% when they make it back to shore from 5km out when you’ve tied them
to 40kg worth of bessa blocks.

Day 4: Weights
Lifting weights is good for muscle growth. Lifting dead weights like Keithy
George is even better. The reason yer uncle Chop Chop looks like Arnie
Shwarza-f**king-negger is because he’s done time in H-Div and we always
pumped iron in there. I also find a great way to work those guns is to throw
a few beers back during the day to get the arm action pumping - yeahh!

Day 5: Go easy on the fried food
I don’t know about you but I could eat just about anything if it was
battered and deep fried. Offal – disgusting; crispy golden brown deep fried
offal – I’ll f**kin’ have 2. But if you don’t want your arteries clogged
like a pig in a drain pipe then try eating something else, your heart will
thank you

Day 6: Drink lots of fluids
You need to always stay hydrated throughout the day, especially when
exercising, That’s why I always have a case in the fridge next to my
exer-cycle. It not only keeps your insides happy but it gives you a radiant
glow. I know after about 20 tinnies I always feel like a sex machine.

Day 7: Eat some salad you fat bastard!
If you think that salad was invented to sit on a f**king plate as garnish
then you are sadly mistaken. There’s good s*** in there that’s not only
healthy but fills you up too. Yer uncle Chop Chop loves his salads because
it allows him to sink his 20 cans and still look like a f**king Adonis. So,
eat some salad you fat bastard, cause even if you are tubby, the girls love
a man who orders salad and I’ve never known a bloke with scurvy who picked
up.
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Brand name clothes may be expensive but there is no need to buy them. There are inexpensive options and what is wrong with second hand clothes?

Hehe..I'm sitting here in a pair of Levi 501's that I got for $1 from the op shop:D

[phoebe]

I would disagree that it is cheaper to eat healthily.
If you are lucky enough to live in the country
And have access to local organic produce then
Yes, it definitely is cheaper.
But if you are forced to buy from supermarkets
Junk food is much cheaper.
A good cut of meat is more expensive than unhealthy sausages.
Organic produce is more epxensive than GM crap.
Bottled water is more expensive per litre than Coke.
On the whole, cheap supermarket 'value' brands
Have nastier ingredients than branded products.

A middle ground can be reached and
To do this you have to stop being a lazy bugger,
Buy the best ingredients you can afford
And actually COOK your own meals
Rather than rely on processed food.

At the end of the day people are obese
Not because they eat junk food
But becaues they EAT TOO MUCH FOOD altogether
And don't do enough exercise.

[limelady]

I would disagree that it is cheaper to eat healthily.
If you are lucky enough to live in the country
And have access to local organic produce then
Yes, it definitely is cheaper.
But if you are forced to buy from supermarkets
Junk food is much cheaper.
A good cut of meat is more expensive than unhealthy sausages.
Organic produce is more epxensive than GM crap.
Bottled water is more expensive per litre than Coke.
On the whole, cheap supermarket 'value' brands
Have nastier ingredients than branded products.

A middle ground can be reached and
To do this you have to stop being a lazy bugger,
Buy the best ingredients you can afford
And actually COOK your own meals
Rather than rely on processed food.

At the end of the day people are obese
Not because they eat junk food
But becaues they EAT TOO MUCH FOOD altogether
And don't do enough exercise.

Here, here....and I would add they tend to take the lazy way out
just because they can.

[chris]

People love to make all the excuses in the world when it comes to diet, it reminds me of myself when I was in denial about my drug addition.

I spent all summer on little over £10 a week on food and I ate extremely healthy, didn't take any time to prepair and now I'm on the 25th day of a water fast. The £10 a week was just off luxury superfoods as well, I could have gone without it.

Money isn't the problem, it's the diet industry feeding you lies. If they told the truth then no diet industry, no glossy feel bad magazines and we would grow extremely well as a nation.

It's true that the poorest are among the fattest, look at places in Scotland who are the most obese and poor. This is down to education and the fact that they have to work extremely hard hours with no real returns. Most food is an escape.

[thetonic]

Henry Kissinger talked about using food as a weapon against americans in the 80's... It is fully implemented now... Problem with fast foods/junk foods is that they are nutrient deficient, so , no matter how much you eat of them, you are not gettting what your bod wants.. Therefore these fatty munchers that eat 3 hamburgers from McD's are being tricked to make their bellys full , but they have gained zero nutrients from them, and hence their body will be hungry again very shortly... And the cycle continues

You gotta break it.. It is far cheaper to shop wisely at the market for a weeks worth of food , then eat a single bite of fastfoods clap trap!

Also Limelady will you come cook for me , you sound like a nice mom...;)

[chris]

At this rate I think those under 20's will have a life expectancy of about 40 tops but this can only go down. People are wondering when they are going to release a massive biohazzard on us but it's been festering for many years.

When I was about 5, I ate okay but then by the time I got to 17 I ate non stop junk food and I got very sick about 21. People have never lived like this before (I'm 24 now).

[phoebe]

At this rate I think those under 20's will have a life expectancy of about 40 tops but this can only go down. People are wondering when they are going to release a massive biohazzard on us but it's been festering for many years.

When I was about 5, I ate okay but then by the time I got to 17 I ate non stop junk food and I got very sick about 21. People have never lived like this before (I'm 24 now).

Very true.
My daughter is 11
And has grown up eating healthy food
(Not mega healthy, but lots of fruit, veg, nuts, pulses, seeds, etc)
With the occasional bit of junk thrown in.
Now I can't even get her to eat a piece of fruit.
She lives on junk.
If I send her to school with a packed lunch
She bins it and buys something nasty at school.
I put a wholesome meal in front of her and
She won't touch it.
The only good thing is that she doesn't drink
Soda very often, still prefers water.
I hope it's just a phase.
:(

[malvern]

you are what you eat!
your boby is a temple!
and as for fasion, a rope around the neck of the public ( the brainwashed masses)

freedom:)

[302bluefog]

Fast Food is killing people right and left in America it's unbelievable....

This is an old thread but it's so true, gets worse each year...

The Dollar menu is a killer....

[bigscotsman]

only vain women and men join gyms

what a waste of money, only to indulge in posturing

it borders on obscene, they should donate the money to kids cancer wards or something


bunch of phoneys

[runlikehell]

This is an old thread

is that you aunt tis-shine ;)

[infp]

I remember seeing a program on TV about how junk food is now cheaper than natural living food, yet at my local Aldi's six apples costs 75 cent, a bunch of bananas costs 75 cents, six tomatoes costs 75 cents, a head of broccoli 75 cent, I could go on and on about the bargain price of fruit and veg that I buy weekly. And this is in Ireland, one of the most expensive countries in the world. Junk food is simply convenient, not necessarily cheap. Poor diet as about ignorance and laziness, not wealth.

[302bluefog]

The obesity in America is so bad right now that anything could happen....

I would have never thought it could get this bad, it's scary...

Almost zombish, it's not a joke...

[tamlinn]

Many poor people here in Canada obtain food from food banks. Alot of the food handed out at these is pure carb-age. Like bags of sugar, flour, potatoes, pasta, rice, bread. If it is refused the person is seen as ungrateful and not that hungry. I would say that about 80% of the people standing in the line up are overweight/ obese, including the children. A number are morbidly obese. Unless someone is at the point of death by starvation, no one needs these unhealthy foods! The food banks probably do more damage than help!

[302bluefog]

10 years ago I dont remember this...

Fat people use to be perceived to have extra money for extra food...

Now it's the poor who are Fat?

brainwashing & addiction imo...

[scottmurray]

a whole pizza from azda 1 pound a single peach from asda 80 pence. how else are the wealthy going to sort out the coming state pension crisis for fuck sake.