Socialists are

[tiswas]

actually very nice people.:):):)
We believe in equality for all, you can do what you wish and so on. Another plus is that the very wealthy snobs hate us.

[28th kingdom]

actually very nice people.:):):)
We believe in equality for all, you can do what you wish and so on. Another plus is that the very wealthy snobs hate us.

Your a socialist?

[tiswas]

I beleive in trade unions, equality for all and Fighting for the underdog.
What is that a CRIME.

[tiswas]

Socialists are good people, without them you will not be able to type those words of hate and you will be totally derelict.
The socialists have created education for all, healthcare for all and all the good things we now take for granted.

[revolutionary_jam]

yeah I'm pretty left on a lot of issues and so are the vast majority of the anti-war movement

Alex Jones acts as if socialism is some kind of satan because he's been brought up with the cold-war mentality COMMUNISM BAD FREE MARKET GOODand hasn't been able to shake it off completely,
in reality free market economics would enslave everyone under a few giant conglomerates in no time, nothing would get done unless it yeilded a profit
no nice buildings, no cleaning up the environment, etc etc etc it's an idiotic ideal

[28th kingdom]

Socialists are good people, without them you will not be able to type those words of hate and you will be totally derelict.
The socialists have created education for all, healthcare for all and all the good things we now take for granted.

Socialism is a stepping stone to communism... go educate yerself, please. You believe that government should own all and control all? And you call this fvcking freedom...

Are socialist good people? NO! Do they have good intentions... maybe some... good intentions + ignorance = hell

[tiswas]

Well at least its better than being a brainless bigot, who has only his/her colouring to feel proud about themselves.

[serpentoffire]

actually very nice people.:):):)
We believe in equality for all, you can do what you wish and so on. Another plus is that the very wealthy snobs hate us.

Socialism and freemasonry, together with communism are
sprung from the same source.

Freemasonry ideals -> Communism -> Socialism -> Social-democracy -> Fascism and Nazism

You need to read this book:

http://download.cxs2.info/Lina___Architects_of_deception___Secret_history_of _freemasonry__2004_.pdf

I burned all my ideologies :D

[28th kingdom]

Well at least its better than being a brainless bigot, who has only his/her colouring to feel proud about themselves.

Yea, condemning tyranny makes one a bigot... I love it. Hey, I also reject the idea of rape and murder as well... whoa, aren't I the devil incarnate.

[revolutionary_jam]

Socialism is a stepping stone to goddamn communism... go educate yerself, please. You believe that government should own all and control all? And you call this fvcking freedom...

Are socialist good people? NO! Do they have good intentions... maybe some... good intentions + ignorance = hell

i love how you don't have a clue what you're talking about but still get angry while expousing your judgment of what socialists mean by their opinions.

[28th kingdom]

i love how you don't have a clue what you're talking about but still get angry while expousing your judgment of what socialists mean by their opinions.

Whoops... now yer gonna have to tell us what you think socialism is... please, paint us a picture of this wonderland.

[pigpot]

There is no need to be an " 'ism" or an " "ist" you have obviously not read any of icke material and are all playing at being gods. Grow up little babies!!!!

[tiswas]

At least socialists whilst attacking others will not resort to the childish name-calling that I witness from the far-right. Also we don't kill helpless children cos they are different from us.
As for communism, didn't Russia and China become strong with it. There was education for all and the Olympic teams were superb, but I am not a Commie only a Socialist for the love of all.
I belong to another forum which has over 15 million members on it , and they are very liberal minded.
These good folks don't promote race mixing, Zionism and all those ills that bigots are frightened of, but if some of my PS buddies joined up, which they will they give such a great argument.
The best quote from one was 'all this talk of pride whilst cowering behind the computer screen'.

[chris]

At least socialists whilst attacking others will not resort to the childish name-calling that I witness from the far-right. Also we don't kill helpless children cos they are different from us.
As for communism, didn't Russia and China become strong with it. There was education for all and the Olympic teams were superb, but I am not a Commie only a Socialist for the love of all.
I belong to another forum which has over 15 million members on it , and they are very liberal minded.
These good folks don't promote race mixing, Zionism and all those ills that bigots are frightened of, but if some of my PS buddies joined up, which they will they give such a great argument.
The best quote from one was 'all this talk of pride whilst cowering behind the computer screen'.

It's hard to discern because of your whit but I'm reading your posts sarcastically. Hilarious :D

I agree, the irony is that these neocons are far more socialists than liberals. For education, look at no child left behind for healthcare, look at medicare or the NHS though good intentioned idiots love to force socialism on others for their own good it's really a trap used by the elites to take a cut of the real money and offer terrible service. Everything freemarket you see on TV isn't freemarket, this is what confuses most liberals and so rather than sorting the problem out, they think that more socialism is necessary to heal it, it's like a downward spiral.

Although you pointed them out nicely lot of funny quotes I hear from other socialists is that healthcare if free!!!! AHAHAHAHAH omg that makes me laugh, it’s very fucking expensive for all paying £5 per pill for something worth 10pence. Also they say that everyone gets it, nope, not many do get it and because I’m natural, I won’t ever get anything off the NHS unless I break my arm or something (which should cost me about £30). Another hilarious assumption is that everyone will get educated, tell me, how many educated people are there that you know? I would say very little and those that consider themselves educated are actually brainwashed.

Here's a really good animation of the philosophy of freedom.

http://www.libertarian.to/images/animation/PhilosophyOfLiberty-english.swf

I love to live by nature and free trade is the most abiding of all political philosophies. Socialism is like a mouse lobbying god for some armour so the cats can't kill them and then the cats lobbying god for armour piercing nails so they can eat, in the end it all gets crazy.

Of course, we can't simply declare anarchy because that would create chaos but a nice standdown through freeing up the littleman will greatly improve us today and for our children and grandchildren, they can live in a great world of freedom where healthcare is extremely cheap and you can be educated in anything and everything you want without indoctrination.

[revolutionary_jam]

Whoops... now yer gonna have to tell us what you think socialism is... please, paint us a picture of this wonderland.

socialist movements weren't largely responsible for:
1) Getting women the vote
2) Getting blacks equal rights
3) Getting a minimum wage and minimum wage increases
4) Organising trade and labour unions to protect the rights of workers
5) Ensuring that workers have any rights at all
6) Organising anti-war movements
7) Organising anti-nuclear movements
8) Education regarding opposing zionist occupation of pallestine
9) Opposing Western Imperialism
10) and the west taking out deomcratically elected leaders and putitng dictators in their place
etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum

????

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

*cocks shotgun*

Well, in my neck of the woods. I prefer Anarchism.

Just don't ever try to take what's min, I'm more than willing to share if you ask. ;)

[razed1]

socialism is a CON

the state owns all, and ppl are no more than workers,


no one owns any property, the STATE OWN ALL

this might sound like a good set-up


of course just one question crashes it all down....


WHO OWNS THE STATE!!, I mean this situation is PERFECT for those that rule the countries from behind the veil



you need wake up, reality of the world is, ppl are corrupted, like j. maxwell pointed , there is NO institution on earth that isnt above taking money under the table


socialism is merely reducing ppl to nothing more that human 'resources'


and Im a human BEING dammit!

[revolutionary_jam]

no one owns any property, the STATE OWN ALL


actually what you're referring to is state-run capitalism IE Stalinism which is virtually synonimous with Fascism

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

actually what you're referring to is state-run capitalism IE Stalinism which is virtually synonimous with Fascism

Not entirely. Marxists believe that the property should be owned by the state. However, in a sense that the state is owned by the under and upper classes, not the government.

However, I disagree. Property is a matter of use, not a matter of bureaucratic ownership. If you are occupying or putting the property to a productive(not profitable) use, then I feel you have every right to claim that property as yours.

[razed1]

maan

theres a million different text book defintions of this ism vs that ism

all this crap came out of these rhodes scholar illuminati thinkers whose policies and philosophies are acted out by their poilitician puppets


the way i see it, eveery family shoul be living on a farm, planting their own food, raising their own llivestock,

every family should be a soveriegn enitity NOT under the jurisdiction of any govt or 'country'


all this crap we have nowadays is the illuminati's plan to herd us into a unnatural way of living in urban cities, and thus creating this economy and money system for us to get dependant on, where now nothing can get done without paper money



if ppl do their reserach they will see they have crafted a serious behemoth of a society for us gunea pigs to live in

all this 'modern' life is totally uncessary, and all these 'ism's are just crafted illuminati propaganda to make the sheep feel like they have a say in their prisons

[chris]

actually what you're referring to is state-run capitalism IE Stalinism which is virtually synonimous with Fascism

It was Lenin that said fascism was the merger between corporations and state. This is socialism with it's i'll take care of you philosophies.

Even if socialism was good with a good leader then there will be many vipers salivating in the background biding their time to take over. This is why Chavez is a complete fool. I like the guy but it's going to go tits up over there very soon.

Drop the debate of capitalism (which has so many connotations) vs socialism and focus on freedom vs socialism.

[revolutionary_jam]

If you are occupying or putting the property to a productive(not profitable) use, then I feel you have every right to claim that property as yours.

Yes I'd agree, as would most socialists
Most would agree that everyone deserves to own the home they inhabit, rather than have to pay rent to a privelaged elite

rent is socially sanctioned slavery as far as im concerned, and in many ways so is a mortgage

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

It was Lenin that said fascism was the merger between corporations and state. This is socialism with it's i'll take care of you philosophies.

Even if socialism was good with a good leader then there will be many vipers salivating in the background biding their time to take over. This is why Chavez is a complete fool. I like the guy but it's going to go tits up over there very soon.

Drop the debate of capitalism (which has so many connotations) vs socialism and focus on freedom vs socialism.

Why do you consider your number 10 to be a good thing on your list?

I'm not wanting to comment on your last question, because I have not payed enough attention to know what you are referring to.
However, I would like to comment on your feelings of freedom vs socialism.
Now, I do agree that the argument should be about Freedom vs Socialism. When taking a objective, and critical look at both of these, they both have their ups and downs.

I fight that "Freedom" however, has lost it's meaning by people in this day in age. The reason for this, is because people are believing that:
Freedom = No Consequences
That is what makes the argument so hard. First, you would need to establish, not just by principal, but since we are a species that needs EVERYTHING written down for us(not that it's a bad thing of course), we need to look into history as well to give Freedom's argument more leverage.

Socialism.
Now, first you need to know which form of socialism you are reffering to.
Government run socialism?
Marxist anti-government socialism?
National socialism?

First, you need to distinguish which form of socialism is the best. Don't think that you can just say "OH YEAH! OF COURSE THIS ONE!! LULZ!!!"
You need to be able to look at what the mass wants, not just what you yourself prefers. Freedom doesn't need this because we can safely say that the description of freedom I had just given about what the mass thinks about freedom, is true. If you can argue against me on this, please do.

-HL

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Yes I'd agree, as would most socialists
Most would agree that everyone deserves to own the home they inhabit, rather than have to pay rent to a privelaged elite

rent is socially sanctioned slavery as far as im concerned, and in many ways so is a mortgage

Of course. I agree with this aswell. Rent should not be payed to someone whom is not even USING the property. But what about factories? Offices? These such places?

I personally feel, if you need to be working at these places, then the workers should be getting together and deciding how things will work there, not a manager.
What are your views on this?

[chris]

I'm not wanting to comment on your last question, because I have not payed enough attention to know what you are referring to.
However, I would like to comment on your feelings of freedom vs socialism.
Now, I do agree that the argument should be about Freedom vs Socialism. When taking a objective, and critical look at both of these, they both have their ups and downs.

I fight that "Freedom" however, has lost it's meaning by people in this day in age. The reason for this, is because people are believing that:
Freedom = No Consequences
That is what makes the argument so hard. First, you would need to establish, not just by principal, but since we are a species that needs EVERYTHING written down for us(not that it's a bad thing of course), we need to look into history as well to give Freedom's argument more leverage.

Socialism.
Now, first you need to know which form of socialism you are reffering to.
Government run socialism?
Marxist anti-government socialism?
National socialism?

First, you need to distinguish which form of socialism is the best. Don't think that you can just say "OH YEAH! OF COURSE THIS ONE!! LULZ!!!"
You need to be able to look at what the mass wants, not just what you yourself prefers. Freedom doesn't need this because we can safely say that the description of freedom I had just given about what the mass thinks about freedom, is true. If you can argue against me on this, please do.

-HL

Well socialism is fine if that's what they want to practice but I don't want to practice it in anyway so if I am able to opt out with no repercussions then it's fine. Although since you need a government, tax and inforcers then it's a hotbed for corruption.

I just don't get what's wrong with people taking responsibility that freedom gives you. It should be a challenge yet not tyrannical, what Jefferson said 'The price you pay for freedom is eternal vigiliance' is very philosophical.

You can't give one group priviliages without taking away from another so if people just lived and traded freely then all their shortcoming would be their own not the governments (who make whoppers).

Freedom owns socialism in everway possible in the grander scheme of things, especially in the long run while socialism turns quickly to tyranny.

[chris]

The definition for socialism for me is the move towards a bigger government. The move away would be freedom. There is no real distinction needed between the types, Hitler called himself a socialist.

[jinjo5]

actually very nice people.:):):)
We believe in equality for all, you can do what you wish and so on. Another plus is that the very wealthy snobs hate us.
I was born in barnsley,sth yorkshire mate......and to a point that was true in the 60's n 70's.......but all i see these days is "fuck you mate im ok" or "fucking 'ell,my neighbour has a bigger fence than me",better get a bigger one"......sad,sad,and even sadder.
socialism never existed.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

The definition for socialism for me is the move towards a bigger government. The move away would be freedom. There is no real distinction needed between the types, Hitler called himself a socialist.

Hitler also claimed to be a Christian. But we all know he was a pawn. Why even bring him up if we are already aware of this?

Anyways,
I think the nice part of socialism though, in a labour run, non-government sense is that the people help each other to work together.
They care for each other. But, we can see that this causes other issues. If someone else has a "better idea of how things should be", especially if they are influenced by hidden powers. Then, in order to make sure that society keeps going the way it is, they will have to get rid of him, and make sure that anyone talking differently, will be killed aswell.

Now, we can see the word "fascist" come into play there.
The issues is, is that the labour only cares about the work that needs to be done, and having fun. Education, on the highest scale, meaning that EVERYTHING should be taught, no matter what you are looking to do in life, should be taught. This is so that people can have a very critical outlook on things.

But the working class doesn't want this. They are lazy, and are willing to do whatever they need to do in order to make sure that they can have fun later. This is also why it makes hidden power so powerful. They know how to use this against people.

Now, as I had said though. Freedom is perfect, but when most people think of freedom in this day in age, they think that freedom means you can do whatever you please with no consequences. Which is obviously perverted.

What do you purpose "Freedom" is?
Don't give me a philosophical term either. Jefferson was a great man for the creation of America. But remember that America was one of the greatest countries in the world before the settlers ever came. REMEMBER THAT!

[chris]

The philosophy of liberty is very simple. I have the freedom to do exactly whatever I want as long as it doesn't infringe upon the freedoms of another person. If someone tries to do so then you have the right to defend by yourself or with help.

Socialism will take away this freedom, it tries to give people a false sense of security that we are free because we are currently not the tyranny target market. It loves to sell itself on being ethical but freedom brings true ethics and socialism brings on forced ethics. Free people turn to education, look how much more educated people have become thanks to the semi-free internet and it's growing dramatically.

[serpentoffire]

These two persons were social-democratic:

http://www.cotti.biz/images/Hitler_Mussolini.jpg

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Chris, it's almost as if you are refusing to address the issue?

We, as in, you/I/The forum/and others know what freedom is, but most have a perverted version of it. That's what I'm saying!

We know why they think like this, but the question is, how do we get them to understand what freedom really is?
How do you do this, without enforcing it on them?

Even the internet is becoming harder and harder with the spreading of TRUE information.

We can pass out as many leaflets as we want, until the police tell us we don't have a permit, and when we call them on this, our faces will be on t-shirts next to the phrase "DON'T TASE ME, BRO!"

I'm wondering, how do we get the mass to discuss this?
That's the real question. How do we get the mass to question these things without "infringing their rights"?

-HL

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

These two persons were social-democratic:

http://www.cotti.biz/images/Hitler_Mussolini.jpg


No, the one on the right was a sloth-homosexual who was used as a pawn. The other guy, the one on the left, was someone who only got off on lying and power.

[jinjo5]

.........no change there then............like i say,you couldnt get more "socalist" than barnsley.
BOLLOCKS!...socialism is just another way of grouping people so as to make it easier to control...................socialism:p:p:p:p:p

[razed1]

actually very nice people.:):):)
We believe in equality for all, you can do what you wish and so on. Another plus is that the very wealthy snobs hate us.

tiswas i read somehwere that you are punjabi


are you a part of the 'comrades'

this is a punjabi group who follow communistic/socialist views

i have some cousins who are 'comrades', its just more communist propanganda trying to trick ppl into thinking that socialism and communism is an alternative to the "evil west and its capitalism"

little do they know that the socialists are controlled by the same hidden hand



we gotta get sophiisticated in the fight against the illuminati

[jinjo5]

tiswas i read somehwere that you are punjabi


are you a part of the 'comrades'

this is a punjabi group who follow communistic/socialist views

i have some cousins who are 'comrades', its just more communist propanganda trying to trick ppl into thinking that socialism and communism is an alternative to the "evil west and its capitalism"

little do they know that the socialists are controlled by the same hidden hand



we gotta get sophiisticated in the fight against the illuminati
Hi,comrade razed 1

[razed1]

HELLO

but i aint no comrade!

[revolutionary_jam]

It was Lenin that said fascism was the merger between corporations and state. This is socialism with it's i'll take care of you philosophies.

Actually that was Musolini, and the story has been discredited as apocryphyal, not being pedantic here, just pointing it out

[jinjo5]

HELLO

but i aint no comrade!
me too comrade,i dont bow to no-one.
no-one is below me,NO-ONE is above me.

[revolutionary_jam]

It was Lenin that said fascism was the merger between corporations and state. This is socialism with it's i'll take care of you philosophies.

Actually that was Musolini, and the story has been discredited as apocryphyal, not being pedantic here, just pointing it out

Of course. I agree with this aswell. Rent should not be payed to someone whom is not even USING the property. But what about factories? Offices? These such places?

I personally feel, if you need to be working at these places, then the workers should be getting together and deciding how things will work there, not a manager.
What are your views on this?

No I'm not as quite far left as you are

Personally my views are closer to what I've heard described as anarchist socialism which revolves more around getting things done in communities, as small as possible a national government and LESS centralisation of power

The definition for socialism for me is the move towards a bigger government.

so there's that one out the window


but by the way, I must stress I don't call myself a socialist, anarchist, liberal, etc. in general because i don't take any of these philosophies whole, just parts of them... no one knows what ur politics are until you explain them anyway

[razed1]

me too comrade,i dont bow to no-one.
no-one is below me,NO-ONE is above me.

haha thats cool then

i just didnt want you thinking i was in this socialist philosophy

but thats cool, i guess in this case comrade = friend!

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Actually that was Musolini, and the story has been discredited as apocryphyal, not being pedantic here, just pointing it out

Could you please point out where we could find information on this? I would like to read it.


No I'm not as quite far left as you are

Personally my views are closer to what I've heard described as anarchist socialism which revolves more around getting things done in communities, as small as possible a national government and LESS centralisation of power

Don't call me left. Or right. EVER!
In my opinion personal views, I'm a "tribalist" in a sense, but pure anarchist. No government, smaller communities working together. However, I think the aims should be towards knowledge. Explorer, learn, meditate, and all these things.


so there's that one out the window

If that was directed at me, then you are way off. I was asking about the workers running the factories. My views are since they are the ones that do all the work, they should reap the profits, not some fat-cat with a fancy hat.


but by the way, I must stress I don't call myself a socialist, anarchist, liberal, etc. in general because i don't take any of these philosophies whole, just parts of them... no one knows what ur politics are until you explain them anyway

So why are you making prejudgments on me before I even claimed?

I'm sorry if you may feel I am taking personally, but I feel I must. You contradicting yourself in the post I am quoting kind of bothers me.

[chris]

Chris, it's almost as if you are refusing to address the issue?

Well I'm not refusing to address the issue...I haven't been given a direct question.

I've read through the other posts and you (or someone ask me to be more specific. Ok, I'll lay down some bedrocks of socialism for our current time (not in a philosophic sence).

1. Income tax
2. Welfare state
3. Socialised health care
4. Central bank

Anything that really takes money from the people to redistribute it (very rarely without special interests having plenty of time to take their cut). Everyone will want freedom but most will defend these things in the process.

We, as in, you/I/The forum/and others know what freedom is, but most have a perverted version of it. That's what I'm saying!

We know why they think like this, but the question is, how do we get them to understand what freedom really is?
How do you do this, without enforcing it on them?

Even the internet is becoming harder and harder with the spreading of TRUE information.

We can pass out as many leaflets as we want, until the police tell us we don't have a permit, and when we call them on this, our faces will be on t-shirts next to the phrase "DON'T TASE ME, BRO!"

I'm wondering, how do we get the mass to discuss this?
That's the real question. How do we get the mass to question these things without "infringing their rights"?

I don't know how we are infringing on other peoples rights by simply doing what we are doing. Discussing and spreading the info, Ron Pauls campaign is doing very well for this.

The policestate is coming and it will get harder and we should fight against it. I wish there was a way of overnight awakening and there might still be an ace in the whole but we're doing pretty well right now. Still a long way to go.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Well I'm not refusing to address the issue...I haven't been given a direct question.

I've read through the other posts and you (or someone ask me to be more specific. Ok, I'll lay down some bedrocks of socialism for our current time (not in a philosophic sence).

1. Income tax
2. Welfare state
3. Socialised health care
4. Central bank

Anything that really takes money from the people to redistribute it (very rarely without special interests having plenty of time to take their cut).

Alright, this I agree with. These are the problems with socialism that people don't realize. The biggest issue I see in this, is because through out history we have seen free communities be destroyed by large armies and the such. As time went on, and the communities grew larger, so did the armies. People have come into this sheep mentality... You know what, you already know. No point in explaining it more.


I don't know how we are infringing on other peoples rights by simply doing what we are doing. Discussing and spreading the info, Ron Pauls campaign is doing very well for this.

That's great, but how long until the PTB take over his mind and such?
How long until they get to him, or get rid of him?

The policestate is coming and it will get harder and we should fight against it. I wish there was a way of overnight awakening and there might still be an ace in the whole but we're doing pretty well right now. Still a long way to go.

The police state is coming, fighting is an opition. There is always an "ace in the hole", but I don't think we are doing well so far. I think too many people are trying to capitalize off of this. And yes, a long way to go. But there will not be an overnight awakening. But is there some way to speed up the process?

[jinjo5]

haha thats cool then

i just didnt want you thinking i was in this socialist philosophy

but thats cool, i guess in this case comrade = friend!
...oh shit.....isnt what i said SOCIALISM...........no one below or above me.
ive contradicted myself.
Maybe it wouldve been better to say i dont take any crap from anyone.:D;)

[thetonic]

William Cooper said it quite well... The problem with Socialism is that the quality level for standard of life gets pushed down, and begins to opress people...

I aint never gonna be Socialist, Freedom or death...

[chris]

That's great, but how long until the PTB take over his mind and such?
How long until they get to him, or get rid of him?

Out of our hands but at least there are a lot of sheeple that must be shocked by the way the mainstream media are acting. I think they will push him aside when Fred Thompson wins nomination. His campaign has done so much and those involved will know this and are exposed to much great info. There's no way he'll win the nomination (though there is a plan to make this happen) but that's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for the ptb to expose themselves and they are doing a very good job of it.


The police state is coming, fighting is an opition. There is always an "ace in the hole", but I don't think we are doing well so far. I think too many people are trying to capitalize off of this. And yes, a long way to go. But there will not be an overnight awakening. But is there some way to speed up the process?

We will never have our victories displayed for us. The revolution will not be televised. It will be like a boxer who is on his last limb, looking confident but about to blow out at the slightest jab. I'm saying we are doing well judging from the change in media over the years, they used to be so confident but now they are scared shitless. The mainstream media has really locked down in the last six months and it's getting so hardcore that people are starting to see right through it.

The only way to speed up the process is to work even harder and come up with genius ideas. If I had a genius idea how to break them then it wouldn't take long before it takes effect. One big thing we need to get over is being scared of what others think of you. Try telling random strangers on the street that 9/11 was an inside job, they look startled and don't usually say anything in return but it's a good seed to plant as you've reached out to them.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Out of our hands but at least there are a lot of sheeple that must be shocked by the way the mainstream media are acting. I think they will push him aside when Fred Thompson wins nomination. His campaign has done so much and those involved will know this and are exposed to much great info. There's no way he'll win the nomination (though there is a plan to make this happen) but that's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for the ptb to expose themselves and they are doing a very good job of it.




We will never have our victories displayed for us. The revolution will not be televised. It will be like a boxer who is on his last limb, looking confident but about to blow out at the slightest jab. I'm saying we are doing well judging from the change in media over the years, they used to be so confident but now they are scared shitless. The mainstream media has really locked down in the last six months and it's getting so hardcore that people are starting to see right through it.

The only way to speed up the process is to work even harder and come up with genius ideas. If I had a genius idea how to break them then it wouldn't take long before it takes effect. One big thing we need to get over is being scared of what others think of you. Try telling random strangers on the street that 9/11 was an inside job, they look startled and don't usually say anything in return but it's a good seed to plant as you've reached out to them.

Perhaps a wise, although potentially illegal thing to do, is to do what Open Source Programmers do. Give out free cds/dvds of media. Things like Loose Change, ZeitGeist, ect.. Just give out free copies to people you meet and talk to. Hopefully these people will be smart enough to have good virus scanning software. If they don't, they won't take it.

But I would really like to caring on with this conversation, however it's 11:30pm and I have a birthday to go to tomorrow.

But I will try to answer back to anything you have to say.

Nights everybody!

[revolutionary_jam]

Could you please point out where we could find information on this? I would like to read it.
while quote has been attributed in the history books to Musolini (google it)

If that was directed at me, then you are way off. it was directed at chris whom i clearly quoted before i said it

here is an article explaining that it's doubtful he actualy said it: http://www.publiceye.org/fascist/corporatism.html
It is unlikely that Mussolini ever made this statement because it contradicts most of the other writing he did on the subject of corporatism and corporations.

[chris]

it was directed at chris whom i clearly quoted before i said it

Huh? :D

Actually that was Musolini, and the story has been discredited as apocryphyal, not being pedantic here, just pointing it out

If your talking about this then it isn't of any consequence, Lenin has quotes like these, it was common amongst communists and socialists because it is a very good definition.

[razed1]

you guys can go back and forth

your just filling up your head of USELESS definitions and terms created for you by your masonic masters of destiny




theres only one position really you have to look at forms of government


FREEDOM vs slavery


freedom in the truest sense, to be totally self sufficient and sovereign




this socialism/communism govt terms and words, will take you down into mental oblivion

its all BULLSHIT

[chris]

Freedom and slavery can be broken down into many subcatigories, we are just discussing them.

We could be all buddhist about it and say it's all an illusion but that wouldn't make for much conversation.

[razed1]

Freedom and slavery can be broken down into many subcatigories, we are just discussing them.

We could be all buddhist about it and say it's all an illusion but that wouldn't make for much conversation.

no thats just part of your brainwashing

freedom cannot be broken down into sub catergories,

thats how they want you to think like, so they can play linguistic chess with your consciousness over time and eventually have you handing over freedom to them, which is the case right now in the world


discuss all you want, but your just busying yourself in the web of deceit these sorcerers have crafted


its really much simpler than your making it out to be, you could maybe learn something of the simplicity those buddhists appreciate

[revolutionary_jam]

If your talking about this then it isn't of any consequence, Lenin has quotes like these, it was common amongst communists and socialists because it is a very good definition.

I don't get what you're suggesting really
Communism isn't Fascism, at least it isn't meant to be
Infact it's meant to be diametrically opposed to fascism
Civil Libertarianism and Democracy are thought to be fundamental principles of Marxism

Stalinism on the other hand... virtually indistinguishable from Fascism

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Freedom and slavery can be broken down into many subcatigories, we are just discussing them.

We could be all buddhist about it and say it's all an illusion but that wouldn't make for much conversation.

LOL :D

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I don't get what you're suggesting really
Communism isn't Fascism, at least it isn't meant to be
Infact it's meant to be diametrically opposed to fascism
Civil Libertarianism and Democracy are thought to be fundamental principles of Marxism

Stalinism on the other hand... virtually indistinguishable from Fascism

I can agree with you in all of what you just said here, except for one sentance.


Civil Libertarianism and Democracy are thought to be fundamental principles of Marxism

My problem here is, is that Marx was all about 'labour'. That's my problem. Labour isn't anything. I'm sorry, but I can not just subject my mind to the philosophies of labour.

Yes, it gets things done, and anyone doing real work deserves more than someone who doesn't. But the fact is, is that it's easier to be young, go out and play rough games with friends, until you gow up, you get stronger, you are able to build things, and be a leader to certain extend. Of course women will want to be with you too because you hot, strong, and a hard worker, so anything that happens, you can take care of. All of that is easier than;
Staying at home all day reading everything you can, translating ancient texts, and finding out their meaning, than being able to find out the secrets of our exsistence.

It's all about WHAT you are doing, you know.

[revolutionary_jam]

yeah i agree, but thats why the ideal is having as much time to "improve ones mind" as possible

I'm not a marxist although we have common ideas
Marx was seriously interested in undermining the system under which by the time you've finished working (as property of the corporation which basically owns you for x hours a week) you are so tired that your leisure time is not spent with passtimes which are relatively more labourious such as pursuit and creation of high art and improvement of mind.... the time is instead spent on rest and vegetation, and in our modern society... TELLY

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Or getting drunk.
Or watching bugs get zapped.
Or both at the same time.
Or just masturbating.

These things are so unimportant, yet the mass is always doing it. It's pathetic.

[utukxul]

arghhh this thread is lame. I live in a welfare state called Sweden.
and i recently saw sicko.....and i felt so much for those poor Americans
i cant even believe that they can accept that kind of mess.
what a nice freedom, i call that a slave to the money system.

all i am saying is that there are many different freedoms and America don`t have
monopoly on that.

[razed1]

theres a similar healthcare situation in canada

and when i saw sicko, i thought the same thing


but umm, lemme ask you, utukxul

if the swedish goverment next week deploys the swedish police/army to the streets and imposes curfew, and goes door to door searching homes, taking children away form families,

how many swedish ppl have firearms in the home to stand up against the police/army???


see you gotta also see just how much you are dependant on the govt already


its nice not to pay for healthcare, but at the same, the mask that the swedish govt wear, is different from the one the usa govt wears, but theyre both concealing the same hideous face

[utukxul]

haha i don't believe in that kind of violence. we live unlike other in a democracy country and resolves our issues in that way to. and that kind of situation would never be tolerated in Sweden and all the people would stand down our foot and vote for a better option next election :).

mm i know that we also have a lot of corruption issues but not as many as the rest of the world. in Sweden im even free not to work and still get money.
all i need to do is try to get one.

sorry for my crappy English is getting better with time :)

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

arghhh this thread is lame. I live in a welfare state called Sweden.
and i recently saw sicko.....and i felt so much for those poor Americans
i cant even believe that they can accept that kind of mess.
what a nice freedom, i call that a slave to the money system.

all i am saying is that there are many different freedoms and America don`t have
monopoly on that.

Ok.. I would usually say "No offense" for this, but not this time.

If you think the thread is so lame, why even post in it?

Secondly, why are you only going off the opinion of one propagated guy like Mike Moore?

Seriously man. Live in America for once. I know the place is a shit hole, I know that it's a police state and that people are stupid. But to be honest, if you get past that, they act just like other countries.

[chris]

I don't get what you're suggesting really
Communism isn't Fascism, at least it isn't meant to be
Infact it's meant to be diametrically opposed to fascism
Civil Libertarianism and Democracy are thought to be fundamental principles of Marxism

Stalinism on the other hand... virtually indistinguishable from Fascism

lol, all I am saying is that socialism was described arbitrarily as fascism by many top communists and fascists alike, leave me alone already!

[utukxul]

Ok.. I would usually say "No offense" for this, but not this time.

If you think the thread is so lame, why even post in it?

Secondly, why are you only going off the opinion of one propagated guy like Mike Moore?

Seriously man. Live in America for once. I know the place is a shit hole, I know that it's a police state and that people are stupid. But to be honest, if you get past that, they act just like other countries.

mmm sorry if i called it lame, just got carried away and the same reason why i answer in this thread.

you say act ? in what way do Sweden act like u.s. ?

[chris]

no thats just part of your brainwashing

freedom cannot be broken down into sub catergories,

thats how they want you to think like, so they can play linguistic chess with your consciousness over time and eventually have you handing over freedom to them, which is the case right now in the world


discuss all you want, but your just busying yourself in the web of deceit these sorcerers have crafted


its really much simpler than your making it out to be, you could maybe learn something of the simplicity those buddhists appreciate

So why nitpick on me on why I am discussion socialism on a thread titled 'socialists are...'? It's all in your mind, follow the four noble truths and walk the middle path...

[razed1]

haha i don't believe in that kind of violence. we live unlike other in a democracy country and resolves our issues in that way to. and that kind of situation would never be tolerated in Sweden and all the people would stand down our foot and vote for a better option next election :).

mm i know that we also have a lot of corruption issues but not as many as the rest of the world. in Sweden im even free not to work and still get money.
all i need to do is try to get one.

sorry for my crappy English is getting better with time :)

well you might not believe in violence, but lemme assure you, THEY DO!

you just might not have had a hard time, dealing with pverty and violence in the cities, but go talk to black ppl, and ethinic minorities, in the usa AND canada (mostly toronto, form my exp)

but ask them if they trust the govt or the police, and ask them if theyre relying on the gov tot take care of them in case of a 'natural' disaster like a hurricane or tornado

ask the ppl of new orleans if they have faith in their govt, up to like 6 years ago, the ppl of the US took a very similar attitude towards their govt s as you do

"we here in america arent like thos other govts, we can choose and elect the govt we want, we wuoldnt stand for that kind of takaover"


well 6 yrs later, you see how much the media can shovel the propaganda to make the ppl submit

and thats in a country where theres a lot of guns!! just imagine how easy it will be for them to takeover sweden


but they dont need, the ppl are already so pacified, its not a threa to their nwo plans

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

mmm sorry if i called it lame, just got carried away and the same reason why i answer in this thread.

you say act ? in what way do Sweden act like u.s. ?

People care about families aswell out there. Look, yes. It's a brainwashed place, but tell me that certain things in Sweden aren't fucked up too.

Are you even allowed to choose if you want Health Insurance or not?
That's only one problem I have. Is that, ok, if it's state pushed, why must the people pay for it, shouldn't taxes pay for it?

Secondly, why not a choice on the matter?

[utukxul]

thats true you can`t choice if you want one or not want one. but you can always choose which hospital and so on. if you don`t like it, you move to America. or just vote for another system.

in swede you can as a person affect the system. make a change. its a truth
and America is so big. its really hard to make a different.

if every person in one country said no i will not stand for this.
let us march down to riksdagen and tell those bastards what is right and what is wrong. tell them today and it will stop. i guarantee you if every Americans stoped working and instead went to the white house and tell mr president what they want. and iam sure that they will get it.

you cant control a nation with just guns, hitler knew it and stalin to knew it and mr bush do know it to.

and if they want do use force to kill you they will do it with no prblm.
but they can`t kille all the people. not until the end.

[razed1]

thats true you can`t choice if you want one or not want one. but you can always choose which hospital and so on. if you don`t like it, you move to America. or just vote for another system.

in swede you can as a person affect the system. make a change. its a truth
and America is so big. its really hard to make a different.

if every person in one country said no i will not stand for this.
let us march down to riksdagen and tell those bastards what is right and what is wrong. tell them today and it will stop. i guarantee you if every Americans stoped working and instead went to the white house and tell mr president what they want. and iam sure that they will get it.

you cant control a nation with just guns, hitler knew it and stalin to knew it and mr bush do know it to.

and if they want do use force to kill you they will do it with no prblm.
but they can`t kille all the people. not until the end.



yea but hitler and stalin plan to control ppl with guns worked PERFECTLY

it wasnt the ppl that stopped them

it was just part of the illuminati chessgame that hitlers role had been served and he was thus removed like the pawns he was

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

???

You just confussed me. You went from marching up to the Capital and telling them what's what. And then on to gun control? You support it, or what?

I think you're referring to this?
http://www.fortliberty.org/lang/zh-TW/patriotic-humor/patriotic-pictures/guncont.jpg

[utukxul]

mm not take the control with guns. never fight violence with violence.
and you guys tell me only with guns hitler and stalin and caho.
controlled its people. i think that the majority of the people believed in there leader and that politic that they brought with them.

isn`t illuminati saying that it wont work if the people woke up.
what in your sentence do wake up mean ???.
are you guys i America starting a bloody revolution or what.

[razed1]

lemme just clarify

when i say govt controlled ppl with guns or 'gun control'

i mean that the govt has made it illegal for the citizens to own guns, or they have passed laws that make it difficult for a regualr person to acquire a gun


the police/army they have LOTS of guns, to use on the citizens

however if the citizenry is somewhat armed, then the police will have a harder time trying to impose a martial law type of situation

if the citizenry is NOT armed, then its like stealing candy from a baby :D

[utukxul]

thats why citizens of that country need to be high educated and prevent the politicians to vote forward those kind of rules. not have guns home.
if you have a gun...so what. the police have a tank. what will you do ???
get your self a bazooka ???

[razed1]

no man

theyve created a world of fear, so ppl are only concerned with their money and children, ppl dont have time to go over the happenings of th politicians

what your saying

citizens of that country need to be high educated and prevent the politicians to vote forward those kind of rules

is not plausable considering the current state of the world

its all corrupt

everywhere, why cant you get past your own patriotism

[utukxul]

haha im not so patriotic as you maybe think. i always questioning what government does and dont do. its very possibly in sweden to get a good education because its free you know. you even get money to do it, very nice.
and the education is not corrupt and it depend on the student to think for them self.

still Sweden got its issues. but not as badly as the most parts in this world.
and i don`t feel fear of the government. instead the Swedish government is afraid of the people. and that could be also an obstacle for swede to evolve(think its the right word :) ).

but i challenge you. come and live some years in sweden and feel how it is to live in a welfare. its very nice :D . and feel of it is to live without fear of the government.

its all about solidarities. so socialism is great.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Too cold for me.

Even The Netherlands is too cold for me.

[utukxul]

haha its nice in the summer ;) feel free to visit anytime. i got food

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

haha its nice in the summer ;) feel free to visit anytime. i got food

Thank you for the invitation. I'd be more than happy. But it's not the food I'm after, it's the knowledge of the culture and the people. :)

[sensimillia]

haha im not so patriotic as you maybe think. i always questioning what government does and dont do. its very possibly in sweden to get a good education because its free you know. you even get money to do it, very nice.
and the education is not corrupt and it depend on the student to think for them self.

still Sweden got its issues. but not as badly as the most parts in this world.
and i don`t feel fear of the government. instead the Swedish government is afraid of the people. and that could be also an obstacle for swede to evolve(think its the right word :) ).

but i challenge you. come and live some years in sweden and feel how it is to live in a welfare. its very nice :D . and feel of it is to live without fear of the government.

its all about solidarities. so socialism is great.

can´t say i agree with much of what you wrote. there is the possibillity of getting a good education, thats right, but the notion that the gouvernment is afraid of it´s people, what do you base that on? in sweden people consider the gouvernment to be their best friend, some people keep them closer than family. that is one of the biggest problems in swedish soceity, imo. there´s all this new legislation being passed without a proper debate in the media, and nobody seems to care.sweden is great in many ways, but that it would be more "free" than other europen countries or the us, is in my opinion not true. where from sweden are you?

[utukxul]

you are quiet right about the legislation. the main stream media in swede is very liberate (if its the right word) but it still are some good periodical, as ordfront.
but still many people are aware of the most. and probably the best card for opposition to play on the next election.

im from skara, västragötaland.

and fear maybe in that sentence isn`t the right word, but being political correct for the population. not have radical solutions.

and for me there is many kind of freedoms and for me not having free health care isn`t a freedom.