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eternal_spirit
28-09-2007, 06:08 PM
Allegations of anti-Semitism

Icke's theories have been attacked as anti-Semitic because of his references to a secret elite that rules the world, which includes prominent Jewish banking families, who he says planned the Holocaust and financed Adolf Hitler, and his use of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. In ... And the Truth Shall Set You Free he wrote:

I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War. This Jewish/non-Jewish Elite used the First World War to secure the Balfour Declaration and the principle of the Jewish State of Israel. They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament." [3]

In 1995, Alick Bartholomew of Gateway, at that time Icke's publisher, told the London Evening Standard that an early draft of ... And the Truth Shall Set You Free contained "revisionist Holocaust material." [4]

Icke has cited white supremacist, neo-Nazi and other far-right publications in his books. British journalist Simon Jones notes that the bibliography of ... And the Truth Shall Set You Free lists The Spotlight, formerly published by the now-defunct Liberty Lobby, and which Icke calls "excellent," and On Target, published by the Australian League of Rights, which has organized speaking tours for Holocaust denier David Irving. Jones writes: "It's tempting to dismiss David Icke as a confused and ignorant man, manipulated by extremists in order to present their philosophy in a socially acceptable format. But Icke clearly understands the implications of his words." [22]

Mark Honigsbaum has written about the apparent link between the more extreme New Age proponents and the far-right armed militia movement in the U.S. [4] Icke's books contain multiple references to the "Illuminati," which Icke and the militia movement believe constitutes the secret government they call the "New World Order". In 1995, Honigsbaum wrote in the London Evening Standard that Combat 18, the British neo-Nazi group, was publicizing Icke's speaking tour of the UK in its internal magazine, Putsch. The magazine wrote that Icke spoke about "'the sheep' and how the 'illuminati', uses them for its own ends". [4] The story continued: "[Icke] began to talk about the big conspiracy by a group of bankers, media moguls etc. — always being clever enough not to mention what all these had in common." [4]

Icke believes that Combat 18 is a front for the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which in turn is an "Illuminati front." [14] The role of the ADL, he says, is to "brand as anti-Semitic" anyone who gets close to "the truth." [14] In ... And the Truth Shall Set You Free, he wrote: "In Britain, I am told by an extremely reliable source very close to the intelligence organisations that the "far-right" group, Combat 18, is a front for the sinister Anti-Defamation League, the United States arm of the Israeli/Rothschild secret service, Mossad. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has been operating in Britain and Europe since at least 1991 and its role is to brand as anti-Semitic anyone who is getting close to the truth of what is going on. What better way to discredit an investigator than to have a "far-Right" group like Combat 18 to praise them?" [28]

Icke has strongly denied that his reptiles represent Jews, calling it "friggin' nonsense." [14] "I am not an anti-Semite!", he told The Guardian, "I have a great respect for the Jewish people." [5] He maintains that the reptilians are not human, and therefore not Jewish, but are "extra-dimensional entities" that enter and control human minds. "This is not a Jewish plot. This is not a plot on the world by Jewish people," he told Jon Ronson. [14]

During a question-and-answer session after one of his lectures, Icke told Jones: "I believe that people have a right to believe, to read, and have access to all information, so that they can then make up their own minds what to think. If something is a nonsense, and if something doesn't stand up, it will be shown to be a nonsense in the spotlight of the public arena." [22]

British journalist Louis Theroux, reviewing Jon Ronson's Them: Adventures with Extremists, cautioned against accusing Icke of anti-Semitism: "Icke's 'theory' is basically The Protocols of the Elders of Zion with a new cast and a few script changes. Not surprisingly, Icke has come under suspicion of anti-Semitism.... Not only might it be unfair to Icke, but by implying that he is so dangerous that he has to be censored, the watchdogs are giving a patina of seriousness to ideas that are — let's face it — very, very silly." [29]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_ickeAllegations_of_anti-Semitism

mr jones
28-09-2007, 06:22 PM
icke isnt anti-semitic. the fact remains that the prominent banking families are jewish. theres nothing anti-semitic about it.

eternal_spirit
28-09-2007, 06:32 PM
icke isnt anti-semitic. the fact remains that the prominent banking families are jewish. theres nothing anti-semitic about it.

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Exactly. Combat 18 ( the so called white supremracist group) created by the ADL. This isn't the only one they created. I may post some link later if I can find them

mr jones
28-09-2007, 06:38 PM
thanks. ive never heard of the link between C18 and the ADL.

damagedbrainn
28-09-2007, 07:21 PM
The idea that David Icke is an anti-semite who's trying to teach everyone that the world is ruled by Jews is an obvious crock of shit. Reading just one of his books or watching one of his lectures is enough to discredit that notion. David Icke devotes more time on the European Royal families (ie, white people) than any other group and even suggests that the white race was created through alien manipulation. He also believes that one of the goals of the "Illuminati" is too eradicate the races that existed before the white race as a sort of means of cleansing the original human DNA from the earth. This is not something that a "neo-nazi" would do.

YOU, on the other hand, are a neo-nazi, whether you wish to identify with that term or not. You DO believe that the world is controlled by Jews, and that Jews are responsible for nearly all the ills of the world. So don't try to equate yourself with David Icke and make it seem like people accussing you of being an anti-semite is the same thing as people accussing David Icke of being an anti-semite. It's not the same thing. People accuse you of being an anti-semite because you really are one.

mr jones
28-09-2007, 07:35 PM
have you got a damaged brain?
david icke has never said the illuminati is eradicating the races that existed before white people were created through genetic manipulation.

you obviousy arnt qualified to label anyone neo-nazi.

race is however a main part of the global conspiricy, to eradicate all separate races and cultures, and end with one mixed race and one world government.

eternal_spirit
28-09-2007, 07:48 PM
LOl here we go again :rolleyes:

mr jones
28-09-2007, 07:54 PM
lol:D
isnt it abit odd and over the top to tell other people what they believe.
and then call them neo-nazi:)

eternal_spirit
28-09-2007, 08:10 PM
lol:D
isnt it abit odd and over the top to tell other people what they believe.
and then call them neo-nazi:)
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Yes it's the same mentality of the ADL who accuse Icke. They read something and make up their own mind and ignore the facts of the reality and judge , without knowing anything about what the person really is about.


Anyway it's become almost a daily occurance me being labeled a Neo Nazi on this Forum. LOL! I speak the truth and they don't like it. I admit all I post might not be truthful ( I don't know )but that's the nature of conspiracy.

No point in me ranting back at them....Because it will end up in the rant room, maybe that's why they provoke me.

:)

mr jones
28-09-2007, 08:25 PM
yes just do whatever you want. thats free will.
everyone is a star. no other star in this universe can tell the Sun how to travel through space.

damagedbrainn
28-09-2007, 08:28 PM
have you got a damaged brain?
david icke has never said the illuminati is eradicating the races that existed before white people were created through genetic manipulation.

Yes, he actually has. Over and over again he has stated that the "Illuminati Elite" are responsible for the genocide and repression of the world's native populations as well as the continued decimation of African populations.

race is however a main part of the global conspiricy, to eradicate all separate races and cultures, and end with one mixed race and one world government.

Perhaps that is your opinion, but it's not one that David Icke shares. Though I'm not going to waste my time digging for quotes to prove all of this to you (since you're obviously too goddamn lazy to actually read anything yourself, otherwise you'd already know that what I'm saying is true), I will provide this one since it's close at hand. From .....And the Truth Shall Set You Free, chapter "Master Races":

"Ask most people about the master race mentality and they will point to Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. But again, it is not as simple as that. The plan for a master race and the elimination of "lesser" races did not begin and end in Nazi Germany. It began long before and it is still going on.......
.....This master race mentality is another part of the Elite's plan for the New World Order.
...........
The aim of the eugenics movement was, and is, to create a Master Race by the sterilisation and forced birth control of those races considered "inferior". The International Congress of Eugenics in New York in 1932 tackled the "problem" (as they saw it) of African-Americans and other "inferior" stock reproducing and expanding their numbers. It was decided that the way to deal with this "danger" to the higher races (themselves) was through sterilisation and "cutting off the bad stock".
............
Obviously, talk of master races, racial purity, and sterilisation to improve the stock was bad PR, once some of the tales of Nazi projects began to be known. But all that happened was that the names for master race policies were changed to disguise the true meaning. We began to hear about euthanasia and population control instead of eugenics and race purification, but it's all the same thing really."



So the crap that you're peddling about the Illuminati wanting to mix all the races as some secret plan to destroy white people is FAR from what David Icke has said and is saying.

mr jones
28-09-2007, 08:37 PM
So the crap that you're peddling about the Illuminati wanting to mix all the races as some secret plan to destroy white people is FAR from what David Icke has said and is saying.

you quoted me wrong. i never said that.
i never said a plan to destroy white people, and you know it.
i said all races and cultures.

did you misquote me purposely so people would believe i said a racist remark?

damagedbrainn
28-09-2007, 08:46 PM
you quoted me wrong. i never said that.
i never said a plan to destroy white people, and you know it.
i said all races and cultures.

did you misquote me purposely so people would believe i said a racist remark?

Yes, I intentionally misquoted you. It wasn't because you did piss-poor job of explaining your point...NO....it was my fault and I did it on purpose because I'm a secret disinformation agent working for The Jews.

Now that that's cleared up, do you care to address the point that David Icke does not believe that "racial mixing" is part of the "Global Elite's" plans, but rather that racial purification is....or would you just like to dodge that?

serpentoffire
28-09-2007, 09:35 PM
http://www.honestreporting.com/images/austriancartoon1.jpg

damagedbrainn
28-09-2007, 11:47 PM
http://www.honestreporting.com/images/austriancartoon1.jpg

No, not necessarily anti-semitism, just an exaggeration.

nickatnoon61
29-09-2007, 01:44 AM
Yes, he actually has. Over and over again he has stated that the "Illuminati Elite" are responsible for the genocide and repression of the world's native populations as well as the continued decimation of African populations.



Perhaps that is your opinion, but it's not one that David Icke shares. Though I'm not going to waste my time digging for quotes to prove all of this to you (since you're obviously too goddamn lazy to actually read anything yourself, otherwise you'd already know that what I'm saying is true), I will provide this one since it's close at hand. From .....And the Truth Shall Set You Free, chapter "Master Races":

"Ask most people about the master race mentality and they will point to Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. But again, it is not as simple as that. The plan for a master race and the elimination of "lesser" races did not begin and end in Nazi Germany. It began long before and it is still going on.......
.....This master race mentality is another part of the Elite's plan for the New World Order.
...........
The aim of the eugenics movement was, and is, to create a Master Race by the sterilisation and forced birth control of those races considered "inferior". The International Congress of Eugenics in New York in 1932 tackled the "problem" (as they saw it) of African-Americans and other "inferior" stock reproducing and expanding their numbers. It was decided that the way to deal with this "danger" to the higher races (themselves) was through sterilisation and "cutting off the bad stock".
............
Obviously, talk of master races, racial purity, and sterilisation to improve the stock was bad PR, once some of the tales of Nazi projects began to be known. But all that happened was that the names for master race policies were changed to disguise the true meaning. We began to hear about euthanasia and population control instead of eugenics and race purification, but it's all the same thing really."



So the crap that you're peddling about the Illuminati wanting to mix all the races as some secret plan to destroy white people is FAR from what David Icke has said and is saying. DB, I think it may be a bit of each. The Reptiles need lots of Aryan blood for dinner, and the Elite like to mix up the races(immigration) to keep us in chaos, and dumbed down.

king
29-09-2007, 02:21 AM
LOl here we go again :rolleyes:

ok I am betting that this thread will go on for .... about half year


only if people could discuss the matter in a civilized manner

:rolleyes:

damagedbrainn
29-09-2007, 03:47 AM
ok I am betting that this thread will go on for .... about half year


only if people could discuss the matter in a civilized manner

:rolleyes:

Oh, I'm sure these proud representatives of the Great White Race can handle a little harsh language.

eternal_spirit
29-09-2007, 12:16 PM
Oh, I'm sure these proud representatives of the Great White Race can handle a little harsh language.
...........

What's up nigga? that's fair right? You call me a Nazi etc. I have mixed race family.
What about you?