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mountain
28-09-2007, 04:30 PM
I had just posted in another thread, that this year could possibly be 2011. Has anyone else heard this and if so, what info can you offer? Here is a link I found on You Tube:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


If this is so, what can it mean?? I have noticed that time is REALLY speeding up these past few months! And I have been feeling more and more at peace with everyone and nature.:)

lifeofbrian
28-09-2007, 04:36 PM
Sorry, didn't check out the link as it was so blue and large, hard to grasp.

The idea that we are really 4 years ahead of ourselves is an idea I first heard from a Norwegian artist named Jannicke Jarlum, ages ago. She claims to have been abducted by aliens and together with Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde, a Finnish doctor warning against the chip she has made quite a name for herself in the 'alternative community'.

According to Jannicke we are really four years ahead of ourselves. Then again, her being remotely controlled by the Greys, who knows what's what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rauni-Leena_Luukanen-Kilde

Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde (born 1939) was the provincial medical officer of the Finnish Lapland Province with a doctorate in medicine from 1975 until a car accident in 1986, which took away her ability to continue her work and career. Since then she has been best known for her UFO contacts and related thoughts. She likes to advertise her former title, but often she rather calls herself a former Chief Medical Officer of Finland and uses other questionable titles as well. Even before the accident she was a very controversial figure.

Luukanen-Kilde has written UFO related books, which have been published inside and outside Finland. She has spoken openly about the hiding of the UFO evidence and other conspiracy theories. It is claimed she has taken part in numerous UFO conferences, but such a claim has been refuted in the past.[1] According to her the Nazis visited the Moon in the 1940s and the Americans have already been on Mars. From 2006 there will be an atmospheric safe McDonalds there, she says.

Juhan af Grann is another famous contact person in Finland.

According to Kilde, the United States and other nations have been involved in covert microchip mind control research.

Publication in SPEKULA
Experiments involving the implantation of microchips in the human brain, she says, have been conducted without subjects' knowledge or consent. It is claimed Kilde, a medical doctor, first published these astonishing allegations in "Microchip Implants, Mind Control, and Cybernetics" in the 36th-year edition of the Finnish-language journal SPEKULA (3rd Quarter, 1999), a publication of Northern Finland medical students' and doctors' club at the Oulu University (Oulun lääketieteellinen kilta). [2]


[edit] First brain implants
According to Kilde, "brain electrodes were inserted into the skulls of babies in 1946 without the knowledge of their parents," electrical implants were used in the 1950s, and, two decades later, The first brain implants were surgically inserted in 1974 in. . . Ohio".[2]


[edit] Technological advances
Technological advances have enabled researchers to continuously improve upon the size and quality of the implants, Kilde asserts, stating that the initial implants were one centimeter in size, but later shrank to "the size of a grain of rice and, whereas early implants were made of silicon, later ones were manufactured from gallium arsenide. "Today," Kilde says, the implants "are small enough to be inserted into the neck or back, and also intravenously in different parts of the body during surgical operations, with or without the consent of the subject," and, using low-frequency radio waves and satellites, "it is now almost impossible to detect or remove them".[2]


[edit] Location and tracking capabilities
Every newborn baby could be implanted with implants that would enable government officials to locate and track individuals at all times, anywhere, and Sweden has authorized the implantation of prisoners with such devices, Kilde claims. According to a May 1995 article in The Washington Post, the British government has implanted Prince William when he was 12 years old so as to be able to pinpoint his location if he were ever to be kidnapped by targeting his microchip "with a specific frequency".[2]

Martin Anderson, a former top advisor to President Reagan, apparently shares Kilde's concern with the possible abuses of such technology. In the October 11, 1992 issue of The Washington Times Anderson declared that an "identification system" manufactured by the Hughes Aircraft Company uses a "syringe implantable transponder" that allows "identification using radio waves" by implanting "a tiny microchip the size of a grain of rice. . . under the skin." This microchip, he declares, can "be injected simultaneously with a vaccination or alone" and "contains a 10 character alphanumeric identification code that is never duplicated." The microchip can be read by passing "a scanner. . . over the chip." The scanner "emits a 'beep'" as the identified individual's "number flashes in the scanner's digital display."


[edit] Military applications
In addition to locating individuals anywhere in the world at any time, brain implants have military uses, Kilde says. For example, "The U. S. National Security Agency's (NSA) 20 billion bits/second supercomputers could now 'see and hear' what soldiers experience in the battlefield with a remote monitoring system (RMS)". Furthermore, by electronically manipulating the brain, enemy soldiers can be made to hallucinate, hearing and seeing whatever remote operators want them to perceive. This technology, she says, was used to monitor and record the thoughts and emotions of U. S. astronauts.[2]

Kilde's contentions are seconded by an otherwise unidentified "group of scientists" who report that a program known as "the 'Phoenix Project', which had to do with Vietnam veterans, employed a chip called 'the Rambo Chip'," which "would actually cause extra adrenaline flow".[3]


[edit] Cognitive and emotional manipulation
Microchip mind control technology has other, equally nefarious uses, Kilde contends: without his or her knowledge or consent, a person "can be manipulated in many ways," such as:

having his or her emotional life changed
being made "aggressive or lethargic"
having his or her "sexuality. . . artificially influenced"
having his or her "thought signals and subconscious thinking" monitored
having dreams "affected" or "induced".[2]

[edit] "Zombified" assassins
Such technology can also be used to "zombify" individuals, Kilde states, so as to make them act against their own conscience and values. She says that such manipulation has been used in the United States to transform unsuspecting individuals into assassins who have no knowledge or memory of having committed murder, and "the latest supercomputers are powerful enough to monitor the whole world’s population," so no one is immune to microchip mind control operations.[2]

Reportedly, the chief Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) "mind control researcher, Dr. Sidney Gottlieb," who headed the MKULTRA behavior-control program, "told the Agency director that "research findings by scientists demonstrated that humans could finally be programmed to attack and kill on command".[3]


[edit] American Psychiatric Association involvement
According to Kilde, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) is a silent partner with government mind control researchers, using their Diagnostic Statistical Manual IV, which is "printed in 18 languages" to provide a basis for labelling victims of microchip mind control as paranoid schizophrenics.[2]


[edit] Victims' anecdotes
A web site recounts the anecdotes of individuals who claim to be victims of the research described by Kilde.[4]


[edit] Kilde's rescue by extraterrestrials
Kilde is the author of another article, "My 100 Encounters with space Aliens," in which she claims that extraterrestrials have saved her life three times. An alien administered first aid to her after she was involved in an automobile accident, she says. The treatment saved her damaged liver from hemorrhaging and saved her life. In a second accident, she fell off a motorbike that she was driving. The bike almost landed on her, but it was deflected by a force field, she says. In the third incident, a force field deflected an elk that had jumped onto the road in front of her car.[5]

Kilde reports having seen her first UFO—yellow sphere hovering 60 to 90 feet above a field in Rovaniemi, Lapland"—in August 1986. A friend was with her at the time and also observed the strange craft. This experience terrified her, and she repressed all memories of the incident until she was hypnotized at a parapsychology conference in Generave in 1988, whereupon she recalled having had dozens of such close encounters. "Apparently the aliens had placed some sort of mental block on my memory so I couldn't disclose details of these events," she explains.[5]

She claims to have met three kinds of aliens:

One that is "three feet tall, has a huge head and big black eyes, but no nose or teeth"
A second that "is like the first but has a large nose"
A third that "is about 12 feet tall, with a very small head and large dark glassy eyes" and "wear lab coats, gloves and hoods over their heads".[5]
She allegedly saw the third kind only once, while they were performing a medical operation of some kind, possibly involving a brain implant of some sort, she says.[5]

It is claimed Mirja Covarrubias, spokesman for the Finnish Consulate in Los Angeles, California defended Kilde's character, stating, "Dr. Luukanen is a woman of high integrity and not one to fabricate stories about ETs and UFOs".[5]


[edit] See also
Electroconvulsive therapy
José Manuel Rodriguez Delgado
Invaders from Mars (1953 film)
Medical torture

neutron flux
28-09-2007, 04:43 PM
In Ethopia they've only just celebrated the year 2000 by their calendar:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6990298.stm

synergy777
28-09-2007, 04:49 PM
whats the mayan or hebrew year.

mountain
28-09-2007, 05:00 PM
I don't know but what I get is that we are 4 years off based on the year of Christ's birth.

malvern
28-09-2007, 05:13 PM
IT'S TODAY
the dates are just numbers so that we can be tracked, controlled, and keep track. It's for the paymaster. The NWO chose this bible clock for us, what did people do before the year 0000, not get up that day. wake up and be free.


freedom for all:)

lifeofbrian
28-09-2007, 05:15 PM
I don't know but what I get is that we are 4 years off based on the year of Christ's birth.

Where do you 'get' that from?

synergy777
28-09-2007, 05:27 PM
according to vedic scriptures, the years something crazy, the kali yuga.

jewish year is 5768 (2007–2008)

i would take the older civilisatison years. we all know the roman/gregorian/julian clandars have been tampered with.

mountain
28-09-2007, 05:49 PM
Where do you 'get' that from?

check out you tube link above

cleft_asunder
28-09-2007, 05:57 PM
I think you're trying to get ahead of yourself. In other words, you want to believe we're 4 years ahead so that by winter, a spiritual shift will occur.

It ain't true.

mountain
28-09-2007, 06:00 PM
I think you're trying to get ahead of yourself. In other words, you want to believe we're 4 years ahead so that by winter, a spiritual shift will occur.

It ain't true.

No, just researching a possibility... are you looking for a debate, because I will not give you one.

2013
28-09-2007, 06:44 PM
http://www.13moon.com/time-is-art.htm
calendar means an audit on taxes it was created for marking monies payed, the gregorian calendar has 2 extra months inserted july an d august after emperor's julius caesar an d emperor augustine .September = 7 oct ober =8 november =9 december =ten , but we have sept being 9th month and onwards .apparently the league of nations debated turning to the 13 moon claendar and it was to be imlemented in 1933 on the 1st of january but the vatican opposed it , no suprise there . Then wwII broke out and all thought of it was forgotten . i cant find the link i had to that info i will post it if i find it .The thing with time is man made measurements can and are altered but if you follow natures clock that is more precise as with the planetry movements and alignments.Time is indeed speeding up and the schumann resonanace by wich we measure the erths spin speed in space has been steadily increasing since the 70's so we are experiencing shorter days but still following a 24 hour clock .:D

mountain
28-09-2007, 06:48 PM
http://www.13moon.com/time-is-art.htm
calendar means an audit on taxes it was created for marking monies payed, the gregorian calendar has 2 extra months inserted july an d august after emperor's julius caesar an d emperor augustine .September = 7 oct ober =8 november =9 december =ten , but we have sept being 9th month and onwards .apparently the league of nations debated turning to the 13 moon claendar and it was to be imlemented in 1933 on the 1st of january but the vatican opposed it , no suprise there . Then wwII broke out and all thought of it was forgotten . i cant find the link i had to that info i will post it if i find it .The thing with time is man made measurements can and are altered but if you follow natures clock that is more precise as with the planetry movements and alignments.Time is indeed speeding up and the schumann resonanace by wich we measure the erths spin speed in space has been steadily increasing since the 70's so we are experiencing shorter days but still following a 24 hour clock .:D

Iread in Mary Croft's book that the days are 16.5 hours now.

2013
28-09-2007, 06:55 PM
makes sense to me , although yu would appear to be sleeping 8 hours -10 12 lol whatever then it would explain waking up ,ore tired than before you went to bed ,the nif you work on top of that being in a stressed out state would effect your job and all though you wouldnt be working the full 8 hours etc it would seem so as time drags when you are bored and if you are overtired so you cant win .Dont let on about time changes wages benefits would be cut inline with the new timescales:D Also would that make us older or younger ? i can t figure that 1 out ive tried ,musnt be getting enough sleep :confused:

edit
28-09-2007, 08:34 PM
http://boscarol.com/nina/graphics/banner.jpg

Nina Simone Another Spring
Angelo Badalamenti, John Clifford

Old people talk to themselves
When they sit all 'round all day
This old woman I knew
I used to go over there and sit with her
And she'd be sitting around
In a rocking chair talking to herself

And she used to say she used to say
Sometimes the cold gets in my bones so bad
Till I just don't think I can go
Yeah and for a little while well I don't care
If my days are coming to an end
And just as soon be gone sometimes

Sometimes the night comes down on me
And I know what's ahead
An evening in this cold old house
With no one to say goodnight to me when I go to bed
An evening in this cold old house
With no one to say goodnight to me when I go to bed

Sometimes
I wonder why I stay
What am I waiting for
My children are grown and gone away
They got children of their own now
Don't need me anymore

In winter when the streets are bare
There ain't nothing much to see
I just can't help missing and thinking
About that kindly man
That one old winter time came
And took away from me

And then one morning
Another spring is there outside my door
Things are blooming
Birds are singing
And suddenly yes well I ain't sad
Ain't sad no more ain't sad no more

When it's warm and the sun is out
It's like my heart's restored
I've had my love I've had my children
And I have so many memories
So don't mind me complaining
What the years may bring

Cos this old world has been fine with me really
And I'm thankful for seeing another spring
It's gonna be better this time another spring
It's gonna be groovier this time another spring
It's what's happening this time
So I'm thankful for letting me see another spring
http://music.telegraph.co.uk/assets/images/products/217/product_image_216341.jpg (http://boscarol.com/nina/html/where/anotherspring.html)

edit
28-09-2007, 08:35 PM
Nina Simone - See Line Woman (Live)http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=azvF80XeAEc

Nina Simone !!
Si-lah !!

edit
28-09-2007, 08:59 PM
If this is so, what can it mean??

:)
Lucian Ilea
www.godlikeproductions.com (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=443548&mpage=1&showdate=9/28/07&forum=1)
You have about 500 consciousness points


according to the Huang Ti scale (1/0.002)
and about 125 novelty points according to the Timewave Sheliak scale now(1/0.008)
I had about 45000 points when I began my work 5 bln years ago and Elohim ,the creator of this universe containing 1 trilion galaxies each having 200 billion-1 trillion stars ,has about 2.3 million points
So your consciousness is now about 100 times less than mine ,that puts you in the "pet" class
You cannot judge me as being evil or good according to your doubtfull criteria(love yourselves ,fuck ,make children and die) ,yet.
But around 2010 you will have about 3000 points and in 2011,about 2000000 points
So it will be a harsh ride from 2010 to 2011,in the universal cycle..
I created the first cell with a consciousness of 1/1000000 points and the first intelligent reptile had to had 1 point;so that resulted in many reptiles being destroyed for not able to cope with my demands
I created humans with a consciousness of 0.001 points and that resulted in a more harmonic achivement of progress in humans
The interesting result is that you made computers with a 0 consciousness and they evolved very rapidly to supercede you.
I would enjoy talking with high consciousness individuals here,but for now I'm done



____________________
Lucifer.Zalmoxe.Hermes.Kaital II.Toth.Ram.Apollo.Jesus.Enki.Osiris.Saturn.Lucian Ilea.Nimrod.Marduk.Jade Emperor.Alexandru.Silver Pahishah.Quetzalcoatl.Caligulas.Popocatepetl.Dan.J ulius Caesar.Light Bringer
We are in the last stages of our planetary little drama
All the posts of this energy being have absolutely no connection with stupidity or ignorance,so read them at your own risk!

greenleaf
28-09-2007, 09:07 PM
Iread in Mary Croft's book that the days are 16.5 hours now.

I think i heard about this being due to the earths resinance (like the heartbeat of the earth) in the 80's it was for hundreds of years at somthing like 7.5 and now it beats at 12...i cannot confirm this as i can't quite remember were i heard it from.

goatboyhicks
28-09-2007, 09:29 PM
there is no such thing as time,
it is linked to your mind.
2012 is a mind projection, it has no reality, the only thing that exists
is this moment.
things will ´change´ if you change now, this moment

tata

mahabaratara
28-09-2007, 10:45 PM
2012 is a

Celestial alignment that our ancestors knew about...

Its far too simplistic to say its a mind projection...

It isnt as if other planets in our Solar system arent heating up...

Is that projection too...?

Although I agree about change...

Has to be self first...

megafish33
28-09-2007, 11:18 PM
hebrew year.

5768, just had rosh hashanah and yom kippur... how they come up with the year 1 god only knows lol

edit
28-09-2007, 11:39 PM
berclo.net/Our origins: (http://berclo.net/pages-div/origins-en.html)Our origins:
Fact, Theory or Fiction?


Facts, theories and fiction! Facts are "evident truths" you can observe directly, like "the sun rises in the east", or "water flows downhill" or "living beings eventually die". Anything else we know is either theory, fiction or myth. There is really not much to say about facts, they are indisputable. This page presents the theories about the origins of the universe and of mankind that are presently accepted by the scientific community, and some of the various myths and dogmas that man has been coached to believe in by shamans, gurus, priests and other such "holders-of-the-truth" in the past. The perception of the material world used by the scientific community is admittedly imperfect but it is always evolving into improved versions. Religious dogmas, on the other hand, are said to be perfect and their immutable "Absolute Truths" lie beyond the realm of reason, in the world of ghosts, spirits and gods. Beyond observable facts, we therefore have the choice between an imperfect but evolving set of theories and a variety of myths that proceed from man's unrestrained imagination.



Theory: Big Bang and Evolution
What we know about our environment has come a long way since man first realised, thousands of years ago, that the earth was round and not flat! Another major advance came only 500 years ago with the acceptance that the earth was not the centre of the universe but only one of several planets orbiting around the sun. A further step away from wishful anthropocentric thinking was to recognise that the sun was only one of the myriad of stars that seem to occupy fixed positions in the background of the earth's motions. Then, we finally discovered that most twinkling spots in the sky were not stars but galaxies: distant clusters containing millions of "suns" moving away in all directions, at speeds that increased with their distance in an expanding universe. Most of what we know has been discovered in the last century consequently to the development of theories about special and general relativity and quantum mechanics.

Reversing the process of the expansion of the universe brings us back to the point source origin from which space, time, energy and matter appeared out of nothingness with a "big bang" some 15 billion years ago. This is only a theory but it is well accepted by the scientific community because it explains all observable facts much better than any other theory. The initial point source of intense radiation energy cooled as it expanded giving rise to a variety of fundamental particles which in turn coalesced into hydrogen and helium after a sudden inflation had further reduced the temperature of the plasma. These gasses formed nebulae under the influence of their mutual attraction and collapsed into stars where they were transformed by nuclear fusion into carbon, oxygen and other heavy elements. Stars then evolved differently depending on their mass. Some died when they ran out of nuclear fuel and others blew up, making still heavier elements in the process, and spewing the lot in clouds of dust that would in turn fall under the influence of gravity to give birth to interstellar matter and new stars.

Our solar system was formed this way. The various atoms of the earth and of our bodies were produced by the fusion of hydrogen in the cores of stars that were born, lived and died billions of years ago. The crater covered surface of the moon gives us a clue of how the planets were formed by the agglomeration of colliding interstellar matter orbiting the sun. The moon lost whatever gasses it might have had because of its small mass, but the much more massive earth retained its atmosphere which initially contained mostly methane (CH4), ammonia (NH3), carbon dioxide (CO2), and water vapour. When intense meteoric activity subsided, about four and a half billion years ago, the water cycle from clouds to the oceans proceeded to obliterate the dramatic traces still seen on the moon. Chemicals leached from the land accumulated in the oceans.

We can safely speculate that all the chemical compounds that could possibly exist in a stable state under the then prevailing conditions, came to be formed with the passage of the next five hundred million years. The natural occurrence of nucleic acids was therefore not only probable, it was inevitable. Nucleic acids naturally tend to join up to form chains or polymers that grow from both ends. Eventually such chains would grow excessively long and break up in pieces that resume growth by scavenging their environment for the required nucleic acids. In this way, these molecules were reproducing the structure that characterised them. The first replicators were born, probably four billion years ago. All possible replicating molecules had plenty of time to occur but those that replicated more efficiently became more numerous and were more successful in attaching the available nucleic acids than less prolific competing molecules. The replicated copies were not always exact. Mutations that were less efficient tended to disappear but those that represented a better adaptation to the surrounding "chemical soup" thrived and their descendants multiplied to eventually dominate each of their respective environments.

These reproducing chemical structures grew more and more complex over the next 500 million years and they eventually formed membranes to enclose themselves in a favourable environment by controlling the passage of chemicals across their cell wall. These cellular entities, in which a large number of diverse complex molecules interacted co-operatively, can be called the first living organisms. They acquired a large measure of autonomy by isolating the inner environment of the cell from the outside world. Thus protected inside the cell, replicating molecules could continue developing complex structures that could not have existed in equilibrium with the outside environment. Mutations over millions of years brought about the diversity required to occupy all available ecological niches. The replicators that produced the most copies of their cell making instructions dominated each of their respective niches and the others disappeared. Fossil remains of large colonies of such unicellular living beings have been estimated to be about 3.5 billion years old.

These unicellular beings were the only form of life for another 1000 million years during which the double helix molecule of desoxyibonucleic acid (DNA) became the prevalent replicator of inherited structure. They gave rise to most of today's bacteria. About 2.5 billion years ago, a branch split off by integrating a symbiotic partner to develop new ways of processing energy. The new type of unicellular cells, called eukaryotes, contained structures called mitochondria, specialized in energy conversion, that had their own DNA. Over the next 1.5 billion years, eukaryotes had plenty of time to evolve into an innumerable variety of forms containing two or more sets of inherited structure. In the case of blue-green algae, a cooperating chloroplast (light collecting molecule like chlorophyl), uses the sun's energy to power the cell's processes, including the reproduction of the host replicator.

Perhaps as early as one billion years ago, mutations of the genetic instructions carried by DNA led to the production of multi-cellular entities composed of specialised cells co-operating together to ensure the replication of their common genes. After a long maturation period, this new multi cellular life model exploded into a infinite variety of forms about 600 million years ago, occupying every possible ecological niche with a multitude of plant, insect and animal life.


According to this scenario, the specific form of life that prevailed in each niche was the most efficient agent for the reproduction of genes in that niche at that time. Successful genes in each niche were those whose replication introduced genetic mutations leading to the natural selection of the most prolific mutants whose genes were then transmitted to future generations.. The action of these three factors over several million generations resulted in the emergence of new varieties and eventually of new species. After the appearance of multi-cellular life, this evolutionary process had another 600 million years to set the stage for the emergence of man's first ancestors.

It is thought that the first proto-hominids, which appeared about 8 million years ago, walked on all fours for 3 million years before Australopithecus Afarensis, whose brain occupied about 300 cubic centimetres, started to walk upright about 5 million years ago. Two million more years of gradual evolution passed before the hominid Australopithecus Africanensis left fossilised skulls showing an increased brain size of 400 cc. Another million years later, Homo Habilis came on the scene with a still larger brain case of 600 to 750 cc. We call him "Habilis" because he learned to use primitive tools about two million years ago. He was soon followed by Homo Erectus whose big brain (800 to 900 cc), brain started to develop frontal lobes around 1.7 million years ago. Homo Erectus gradually evolved into Homo Sapiens, with a huge 1200 cc brain, about 400 000 years ago. About 200 000 years ago, the Neanderthalis branch of Homo Sapiens started spreading out of Africa. He was followed, about 130 000 years ago, by Homo Sapiens-Sapiens, our ancestor. Mutations of the brain that brought evolutionary advantages enhancing the survival and reproduction of our distant ancestors increased the size of their brains to more than three times that of those of other large primates.



Consciousness and Memes

The spectacular increase in the human brain's size began 2.5 million years ago and reached the present volume, of 1350 cc, 100 000 years ago when Homo Sapiens-Sapiens was still quite primitive compared to modern man. Of all the various advantages of having a bigger brain that could have driven man's evolution, the ability to learn by imitating successful acts of other humans seems to have been the most decisive for it allowed the accumulation of discoveries and inventions. Valuable knowledge such as how to make stone tools, how to hunt various animals and how to use fire were transmitted by imitation long before man developed speech. The sharing of the accumulated collection of such "units of knowledge" between all the all members of a community (by their replication from one brain to another), determined the way of life (or culture), of each group.

The name "meme", was chosen for these replicating "units of culture" to reflect their process of reproduction by imitation (mimetism). Meme replication, like that of genes, is not perfect. The variations that get copied most frequently and that are best retained in memory gain predominance through natural selection in each community. The action of these three factors cause memes to evolve into new versions very much like genes evolve into new varieties through replication. The replication of memes horizontally between the brains of unrelated humans improved the probability of survival and reproduction of the human gene pool by spreading the advantages of culture. Similarly, the vertical transmission of that cultural advantage through generations of humans, by genes that increase the brain's ability to acquire and share memes, has contributed to the evolution towards a bigger brain size. Thus, genes and memes can be seen to interact symbiotically as we and our intestinal flora do.

Language is a good example of this symbiotic relationship. Two and a half million years of coupled genetic and memetic selection gradually produced big brains increasingly capable of conscious imitation and slowly modified the structure of the vocal tract in ways that allowed the transmission of memes to evolve from primitive grunts to grammaticaly complex languages. Genetic evolution in this respect has been imperceptible in the last 100 000 years but memetic evolution is quite evident for its cycles are much shorter. When variations of language are introduced, those that are the most efficient replicators gain the upper hand in each community and those that are are retained long enough to be passed on to children evolve into local dialects and eventually into new languages.

All the effects of memetic evolution on mankind are not yet fully understood and memetic theories have not yet been fully verified. They are not yet as widely recognised by the scientific community as the mechanisms of genetic evolution are. Memetics nonetheless open the way to several avenues of inquiry towards a better understanding of human development and behaviour ( see these Internet sites about memes ). I consider these theories as probably correct but still speculative so I rate them medium-blue in my toy village.

The gradual development of man's ability to create mental representations of his environment and to exchange them with his peers was essential to his capacity to function efficiently in groups. A man who had never seen an elephant could nevertheless participate in the planning of an elephant hunt if another man used language to describe such an animal to him. Once defined, the verbal meme for elephant introduced the image of an elephant in the simulation of the world stored in his brain. Similarly, that man's universe would contain unicorns if someone had told him what unicorns were like even though no such animals existed in reality. Man's increased ability to conceptualise brought about his capacity to construct virtual worlds in his brain irrespectively of any correspondence with the real world around him.

Man's huge brain, and more particularly his big frontal lobes, gave him the ability to associate concepts together and to deepen his self awareness well beyond the immediate moment in order to project himself ahead in time. His capacity to create a "virtual reality" in his mind was not as elaborate as today's flight simulators but the result was the same: a make-believe environment where he could safely test actions to be carried out later in the real outside world. This ability to project imaginary action scenarios into the future and communicate them to the other members of his group to co-ordinate their actions placed man far ahead of all other animals who only had their instinct or accidentally conditioned reactions to guide them. It was probably that decisive advantage that enabled the Sapiens-Sapiens humanoids to expand their geographical range by facilitating their adaptation to widely varying environments. That considerable superiority probably also explains why the Sapiens-Sapiens were able to completely replace or absorb the less gifted Neanderthals who disappeared about 50 000 years ago.

Cannibalism is quite common in all carnivorous animals. It survived in humans until recently so we have every reason to think that our distant ancestors did not let good flesh go to waste needlessly. We find however that Homo Sapiens-Sapiens started to bury his dead about 50 000 years ago instead of eating them or letting other carnivores get to them. We can speculate that the burial of the dead can be a sign that man thought that death did not have the same meaning for him than it did for other animals.

We can also speculate that the increased awareness of himself and of his superiority over other animals, made it intolerable for him to realise that his own death was as definitive as that of all other living beings around him. It is not unreasonable to think that man reacted to this trauma by using his extraordinary conceptual ability to negate this painful reality by imagining an afterlife "in a happy hunting ground". Burial of corpses could have been just a sign of the respect the survivors had for the departed but the inclusion of scarce tools and useful objects in the graves implies the hope that they would somehow be used by their previous owner despite all reasonable expectations based on the physical evidence of rotting flesh. The memes of these irrational beliefs about an idealised "supernatural" world replicated readily for they offered the hope of eternal life against little or no effort.

Man's ability to project himself into the future naturally opened the door to interrogations about his past. He must have wondered where he and everything else around him came from as soon as the "virtual reality" in his mind expanded his horizon beyond the immediate moment. He probably imagined all kinds of answers but the first that we know of were recorded only about 5000 years ago when he invented writing. That is a very short period in the time span since our first ancestors distinguished themselves from other primates by walking upright 5 million years ago. Compared to man's life span, that's less than a month! These numbers remind us that our first hypotheses about the origin of the universe are still very recent. We are still very new at the game of trying to understand the universe.

Man's self awareness and his proficiency in handling "virtual realities" covering long time periods gave him a tremendous edge over his primate cousins whose less sophisticated brains could model little more than the here and now. This awareness probably also left him terrified by the immensity of the universe that he could now discover. Understanding the behaviour of animals had been fairly simple for he could compare them to himself but he had no such reference when it came to understanding the forces of nature that impressed him most, the sun, the wind, rain and thunder, fertility that creates life and death that ends it.

It was therefore natural for man to invent anthropomorphic references to represent the most important forces of nature in his subjective model of the universe. Thus he invented the spirit of thunder that was like the image of a very powerful but invisible man and called him the God of thunder, Thor or Zeus, or Jupiter etc. Similarly, abstract forces like fertility, death, love, order, etc., gave rise to equivalent gods and goddesses. It did not matter that there were no such beings in the real world as long as their image in each man's subjective universe filled a void and made that universe operational.

In each primitive community, the individuals most gifted to invent appropriate gods and goddesses as references for nature's forces and the most credible stories about their interactions between themselves and with mankind, could build up considerable influence because the comforting explanations they provided reduced the level of anxiety and stress of the whole tribe. Sets of mutually supporting memes (memeplexes), describing supernatural beings and their behaviour in lavish detail were easily spread and maintained vivid by astute individuals claiming to have privileged access to the spiritual world. Such special abilities would often be passed down from father to son, creating lineages of "holders-of-knowledge" that we would now call shamans or priests. The exchange of such "special knowledge" between the shamans of different tribes, naturally led to the establishment of more or less uniform sets of beliefs common to groups of tribes sharing the same language and culture. The essential value of these beliefs was their effect on those who adopted them. Religions were born.

Religions seem to have been originally based mostly on man's need of a refuge from the hard realities of mortal life and, perhaps to a lesser extent, on his need of knowledge. However, they soon gave rise to social systems and power structures based on the "God-given truths" that the initiated few claimed to possess about the nature of the universe and, more importantly, about an afterlife where good conduct is rewarded and disobedience is punished.

I readily recognise that this explanation of man's tendency to reject the fact of his mortality is purely speculative and that I have no hard proof to support it. You will however agree that I am justified in saying that all the other explanations of the bases of the various religions are just as speculative and unsupported by hard proof unless you consider the statement "god told me so" to be hard proof. I have no claim on truth but I feel that this scenario of how man came to exist and how he invented religions is reasonable enough for me to use it as a building block in my toy village with a medium blue colour which indicates that it is speculative but probable.



We can recap this evolutionary timetable as follows.

Years ago Event
15 000 000 000 : big bang; origin of the universe

4 500 000 000 : formation of the earth
4 000 000 000 : first replicating molecules
3 500 000 000 : first simple cellular life
2 500 000 000 : first eukaryotic cells
1 000 000 000 : first multi-cellular life
600 000 000 : explosion of life forms
65 000 000 : disappearance of dinosaurs
8 000 000 : first proto-hominids
5 000 000 : Australopithecus Afarensis (300 cc brain)
3 000 000 : Australopithecus Africanus (400 cc brain)
2 000 000 : Homo Habilis (600 - 750 cc brain)
1 700 000 : Homo Erectus (800 - 900 brain)
400 000 : Homo Sapiens (1200 cc brain)
200 000 : spread of Homo Neanderthalis
130 000 : spread of Homo Sapiens-Sapiens
50 000 : disappearance of H. Neanderthalis
8 000 : first agriculture and animal husbandry
5 000 : first recorded history





Fiction: Myths & Dogmas about Creation > (http://berclo.net/pages-div/origins-en.html)

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28-09-2007, 11:44 PM
Lord Ganesh
The Leader of about 2 million Heavenly Hosts
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/64/Ganesha_Basohli_miniature_circa_1730_Dubost_p73.jp g/275px-Ganesha_Basohli_miniature_circa_1730_Dubost_p73.jp g
Ganesha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/images/GrailPyramids.JPG


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10333
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9941

2013
29-09-2007, 12:35 AM
Lord Ganesh
The Leader of about 2 million Heavenly Hosts
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/64/Ganesha_Basohli_miniature_circa_1730_Dubost_p73.jp g/275px-Ganesha_Basohli_miniature_circa_1730_Dubost_p73.jp g
Ganesha is widely worshipped as the Remover of Obstacles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganesha)


http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/images/GrailPyramids.JPG


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10333
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9941


Interesting as i dont smoke but have eaten some nice space cake in the past and each time i grew a massive elephant head and turned into ganesha:eek:Recently i have watched rats or a rat walk across the road in front of the house in borad daylight just strolling casually , normally it would of freaked me out a rat that close openly (theres always one 6 feet away apparently ) anyway i looked up rat in animal totem and got this
The Hindu God of Overcoming Obstacles Ganesh
uses a Rat as his steed. For the Hindus, the Rat represents prudence and foresight.
Which is the reason that you see rats leaving a ship before it sinks
or scurrying out of a building before it collapses. They know....

:D http://www.linsdomain.com/totems.htm

2013
29-09-2007, 12:37 AM
Lord Ganesh
The Leader of about 2 million Heavenly Hosts
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/64/Ganesha_Basohli_miniature_circa_1730_Dubost_p73.jp g/275px-Ganesha_Basohli_miniature_circa_1730_Dubost_p73.jp g
Ganesha is widely worshipped as the Remover of Obstacles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganesha)


http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/images/GrailPyramids.JPG


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10333
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9941


Interesting as i dont smoke but have eaten some nice space cake in the past and each time i grew a massive elephant head and turned into ganesha:eek:Recently i have watched rats or a rat walk across the road in front of the house in broad daylight just strolling casually , normally it would of freaked me out a rat that close openly (theres always one 6 feet away apparently ) anyway i looked up rat in animal totem and got this
The Hindu God of Overcoming Obstacles Ganesh
uses a Rat as his steed. For the Hindus, the Rat represents prudence and foresight.
Which is the reason that you see rats leaving a ship before it sinks
or scurrying out of a building before it collapses. They know....

:D http://www.linsdomain.com/totems.htm

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29-09-2007, 12:46 AM
They know....

Welsh 2?
Man claims if you dont take spacesheep evacuation, you will be left behind for 350,000 years of reincarnation
Anonymous Coward
godlikeproductions.com (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=443641&mpage=1&showdate=9/28/07&forum=1)
9/28/2007 7:05 PM Man claims if you dont take spaceship evacuation, you will be left behind for 350,000 years of reincarnation


This message sure is suspect and heavy, but id definitely wanted to go up into ships anyway before i ever read this. Im say yes to evacuation, how about you?

[link to fourwinds10.com]

Dear NM:

You are the most amazing person. If you choose not to read what I have written, how can you claim to know what I have written? If you do not believe in starships that anyone can see in the night sky, and our starfirends, then I guess you don't have your "boarding pass" that you will need, when the time comes for us to be taken to safety. Quite sad! But then, this is a freewilled world.

By the way, Creator God Aton of Light says in the Phoenix Journals that anyone, who chooses not to be evacuated to safety, shall continue on in other 3D lifestreams for a handicap of 350,000 years plus the years of Karma they must serve for their errors, before they shall have the same opportunity, as they have now, to graduate into fifth dimension. You say you don't believe in my "aliens and alien ships waiting to come down to help us", so you probably do not believe in Creator God Aton either! Again, quite sad, but then, this is a freewill world, isn't it?

May you be wise and request your Angels to guide you in your choices. (Whoops! Do you believe in Angels?)

In Love and Light,

Patrick H. Bellringer

kblood
29-09-2007, 12:53 AM
Havent it already been admitted that our calender is incorrect? Why do we have that every fourth year adjustment f.ex.? As far as I know, our day and month measurement is far from correct. I am not even sure how we can compare it with old calender systems today, unless the Mayan calender could be read from the star constelations or something like that.

And yes, this is why I have a hard time believing in dates that have been predicted by mayans, and then set on our calender afterwards. Setting a prophecy as precise as a specific day, even in a specific month, seems a bit presumptious.

If it does happen on this date, then it will in fact just prove to me that it happens there because someone or a group of people is making it happen. Sometimes prophecies are believed in so much that they are made true.

I for one do not believe we are measuring time correctly. We cannot possible make sure that we do not get a few seconds incorrect each year, or adjust for cosmic changes. Our days ought to get longer and longer since Earth is growing, and thereby prolonging the day and night cycle. Still it is said that time is speeding up.

I do not know what to believe, but I just like learning about it all, and let others decide it for themselves.

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29-09-2007, 01:01 AM
Oh...ships btw......
the Spaceships or V-i-man-a-s

Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge and English Languge-MACE

vi-manas
if...

vi (Sk.) means remnant, the tail of..
mana - mind

so... could that be - by 'referring to the flying machines ' called ---> kama-manas .....or the desire-mind ? Kama-Manas.?...
http://www.anandgholap.net/images/image001.jpg
http://www.anandgholap.net/images/image003.jpg
http://members.aol.com/maattexts/aquabible/spine2.gif
http://www.anandgholap.net/images/image009.jpg
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=139382#post139382
Like --> Humans are monkeys ? or Man-Keys?
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=443579&mpage=1&showdate=9/28/07&forum=1
Havent it already been admitted that our calender is incorrect? Why do we have that every fourth year adjustment
White? Sarka-z-am?>
http://www.zvrk.co.yu/Mskola/ekologija/oprez/lazna_sarka.jpg

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29-09-2007, 01:35 AM
- Zungo

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29-09-2007, 02:40 AM
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This edit character is very creative. Is she constantly drunk or borderline nuts/genius?
P.S.loB.. u already on the moon? or just deleted the postings?


:b-link-a:- lun-a-tic-k ?


Discovery News

'.... A current exemption from the trade ban expires in 2011 . '.


Race to the Moon
Cool Jobs: Astronaut! Get more Discovery News video here. (http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/09/27/sputnik2_spa.html?category=space&guid=20070927091530)

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/09/27/gallery/sputnik_zoom.jpg
Getty Images


All Eyes on the Moon
Facing competition from China, among other nations, NASA is sticking with its 2020 deadline for returning U.S. astronauts to the lunar surface.

soglad
29-09-2007, 02:42 AM
I'm loving these picture guys!! :D