Storm kills at least 51 in Europe (Orb in pic)

[simplify]

check out this link......particularly the large orb above the upturned car.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/02/28/europe-storm-fatalities.html

[moving finger]

The orb is a spot of water on the lens amplifying the light behind it.

[simplify]

The orb is a spot of water on the lens amplifying the light behind it.

I did expect the dust or raindrop theory. But no its not either of those or problems with the camera lens etc. It is a full blown orb. Most unusual that it was not edited out by the media. The placement of the orb is interesting, since 2 people died in that car.

I have been photographing orbs for a few years already in many different weather conditions & this is an orb.

[passing]

The orb is a spot of water on the lens amplifying the light behind it.

Sounds and looks right to me.

[anthony1965]

I did expect the dust or raindrop theory. But no its not either of those or problems with the camera lens etc. It is a full blown orb. Most unusual that it was not edited out by the media. The placement of the orb is interesting, since 2 people died in that car.

I have been photographing orbs for a few years already in many different weather conditions & this is an orb.

If you're handy with photos, could you enlarge the orb? :)

[o_rourke]

It's strange that the lens is free from all other sources of dust and rainwater spots apart from that one spot.

I don't know what it is, but wouldn't just dismiss it without at least seeing a blown up version of the pic for further examination, But even then, if peeps don't believe in such things, then they'll still deny it. :o

[anthony1965]

It's strange that the lens is free from all other sources of dust and rainwater spots apart from that one spot.

I don't know what it is, but wouldn't just dismiss it without at least seeing a blown up version of the pic for further examination, But even then, if peeps don't believe in such things, then they'll still deny it. :o

Sometimes it may be dust or raindrops, but sometimes it might not be.

As you say, there are some skeptics who rule out the possibility of orbs. End of story. Full stop. Good night. That's their right, but there are others who are open to the idea. This looks like an interesting orb shot to me. I look forward to a close up.

[o_rourke]

Sometimes it may be dust or raindrops, but sometimes it might not be.

As you say, there are some skeptics who rule out the possibility of orbs. End of story. Full stop. Good night. That's their right, but there are others who are open to the idea. This looks like an interesting orb shot to me. I look forward to a close up.

Yes I agree. A close up would be great. I just think the positioning of that 'spot' or 'orb' is interesting in itself like the OP suggests. :)

[subl1minal]

It doesn't look wet to me, in the photo, but make of it what you will...

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2360/largeorb.jpg

[inverselogic]

I'm open minded to the possibility. But I've done a lot of photography. A lot of things people call "orbs" are really nothing of the sort.

I'm not saying this image isn't one. But the reason people are so opposed to believing in "orbs" is because of how often people instantly jump too "it must be an orb!" every time there is anything that looks like one.

Still, worth looking into. An enlargement would help.

[bowtiedaddy]

The orb is a spot of water on the lens amplifying the light behind it.

Yeah...that's the problem with orbs. I've done my fair share of "paranormal" photography. I usually ignore orbs. I've caught full body aparitions, audio recording, "smoke" etc. . . Orbs are pretty much a given to be discredited.

[subl1minal]

I'm open minded to the possibility. But I've done a lot of photography. A lot of things people call "orbs" are really nothing of the sort.

I'm not saying this image isn't one. But the reason people are so opposed to believing in "orbs" is because of how often people instantly jump too "it must be an orb!" every time there is anything that looks like one.

Still, worth looking into. An enlargement would help.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2360/largeorb.jpg

[magenta_moonshadow]

The fact that there's a very bright light in the pic points to it being a reflection...maybe from some impurity on the lens, maybe lens flare, IMO...

[snapdragon]

Funny how orbs only occur when you use a flash on a cheap camera at night and there is a source of particles such as rain, snow or dust or smoke ash. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[anthony1965]

Funny how orbs only occur when you use a flash on a cheap camera at night and there is a source of particles such as rain, snow or dust or smoke ash. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

snigger snigger hee hee hee, rolleyes rolleyes

Three rolleye icons! :eek:

You must be feeling really superior this morning... :)

[anthony1965]

For the non-sniggering forum readers:

http://theshadowlands.net/ghost/orbs.htm

What are these balls of transparent light we find in photos taken in allegedly haunted places? I won't tell you I know the answer to this question. No one has the true answer to this question yet, but that's part of the job of researchers and investigator.

One of the leading theories concerning what orbs are and the one that I lean towards the most is that they are not the spirit at all. The orb is the energy being transferred from a source (i.e. powerlines, heat energy, batteries, people, etc) to the spirit so they can manifest. This may not even be a conscious thing the spirit is doing, just a natural way they get their energy. This would explain why the orbs are round balls. According to the laws of Physics energy being transferring like that would assume is natural shape of a sphere. This theory can also be tied into the EMF readings we get during spirit activity.

I always approach things with a bit of skepticism, so when I saw all these websites start showing off these photos as ghosts, I was just as weary as most of you. I just had to try it for myself. I took a 35mm camera that I had used regularly for 6 years in all types of lighting and weather and had never gotten an orb or other unexplainable photo before and went out with a few seasoned field investigators on a cemetery investigation. One of the investigators was psychic and she pointed out a few areas we should take photos, so I did. I also had ghost footsteps walkup behind me twice and I turned around quickly and took photos of the empty air. When I got my photos developed, I had these orbs and fog in those photos that I was told to take, as well as the footstep ones. All my other photos were normal. Coincidence?

Since we do not know what orbs truly are, just that they seem to be found mainly in areas where there is ghost activity, I will tell you what they are not. On a normal investigation there are about 10 people using 10 different cameras, 35mm and digital, and many speeds and brands of film. They all get their film developed at separate places. Let's say only half of these investigators get some orb photos. Are these water spots or dirt on the lens? That would mean that 5 people all had similar dirt on their lens and all 5 did not clean their lens either. Are these orbs film processing errors? Well the 35mm cameras all had their film developed in different locations and used different film so that is very unlikely. The digital cameras can't have film-processing errors. I am aware that some people feel that the orbs on a digital camera are an error in the digital processing of the image. When that error does occur in digital photos, the objects tend to be square in nature, not round and they cannot be semi-transparent, the pixel behind would have to be corrupted also. I will not even address the precipitation theory, no legitimate researchers takes photos in any form of precipitation. What about dust and dirt being stirred up? Can that be the cause of the orbs? If that were the case, I would think that there would not be normal photos in a sequence of photos from the same camera and location. All of the shots in a sequence should have the dust or dirt in it. We find that most orb photos do not appear in consecutive photos. All photographers present should get orbs if it is dust being stirred up as well.

These are just a few things for the skeptics to think of when they are condemning an orb photo as a fake or fraud and some things for investigators to consider when checking their photos for positives.

[oneup]

It is an orb, you can see it with your own eyes :)
The question is how you define one, I would define orbs as a 'glitch or distortion on photographs caused by unusual lightning or an object or material on or in front of the lens' :D

I'm sure the large majority of orb-believers have no knowledge of the science behind photography.

[anthony1965]

It is an orb, you can see it with your own eyes :)
The question is how you define one, I would define orbs as a 'glitch or distortion on photographs caused by unusual lightning or an object or material on or in front of the lens' :D

I'm sure the large majority of orb-believers have no knowledge of the science behind photography.

And the majority of orb skeptics are materialists who refuse to believe in the existence of spirits.

Although there may be exceptions to both rules.

[academylin]

And it already rained fish in Austrailia!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106027

[stompk]

Definitely an odd and unusual storm. Lot of those lately. Something is up.

I think the orbs are on the good side, but that is just my opinion. That's why we keep seeing them around chemtrails. Maybe they are recording, or altering.

I think they are supernatural.

[stompk]

It is an orb, you can see it with your own eyes :)
The question is how you define one, I would define orbs as a 'glitch or distortion on photographs caused by unusual lightning or an object or material on or in front of the lens' :D

I'm sure the large majority of orb-believers have no knowledge of the science behind photography.


Well, since most photography now is digital, and completely electronic, I would suggest that is why we see them more. They have an electronic signature.

[snapdragon]

I'll make some orbs tonight and post them on this thread.

[brassneck69]

I did expect the dust or raindrop theory. But no its not either of those or problems with the camera lens etc. It is a full blown orb. Most unusual that it was not edited out by the media. The placement of the orb is interesting, since 2 people died in that car.

I have been photographing orbs for a few years already in many different weather conditions & this is an orb.

No disrespect here, but the car isnt "upturned", and you didnt spot THAT !!!! :)

[psychick]

check out this link......particularly the large orb above the upturned car.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/02/28/europe-storm-fatalities.html

I'm a big believe in Orbs and i've blown this photo up although it doesn't respond well to high magnification.

I don't believe this is an orb. It doesn't have the intricate energy pattern that true orbs have. Also the orb is dull, has no energy in it which makes it more likely to be a spot on the camera :)

Shame. Also, orbs are generally there BEFORE the person dies... once they have died, no need for an angel (which is what an orb is)!!

Orbs are awesome though! They don't always bring good news though, sadly and appear a lot in photos of someone whom is destined to pass on within months. The orbs get greater in number and size, the closer the person is to his passing.

[trix]

Orbs are dust, moisture or any frickin particle floating about, catching the light of the flash.

I'm a hobby photographer, and orbs show up when I am photographing places with dust and crap floating about. I really dont understand peoples fascination with orbs. It's the most simple explanation ever.... I am very interested in actual supernatural phenomenon, but orbs do not fall under this category.

GRANTED- I will say that this orb looks somewhat different than most orbs I have seen that claim to be supernatural.

[moving finger]

It doesn't look wet to me

The clue's in the thread title ;) :D

It may not be moisture - I'd concur with other posters that it could be a lens artifact or dust. I'm also a photographer and I've lost count of the photos I've taken that have exactly that kind of feature purely and simply because the lens is pointed at a light source. I would absolutely guarantee you that a photographer simultaneously taking an image of that vehicle from the side would not have had the 'orb' in the photo.

The only surprising thing about this image is that the picture editor and the photographer were happy with it. I'd have re-taken it.

[psychick]

What are these balls of transparent light we find in photos taken in allegedly haunted places? I won't tell you I know the answer to this question. No one has the true answer to this question yet, but that's part of the job of researchers and investigator.


Those are spirit orbs... different to Angel orbs.
The orbs in the photo on the right are simply energy...

There are quite a few different types of Orbs and essentially they are 'energy'.

[yass]

were'nt there orbs involved in the dyatlov pass incident?

[consciousness]

The orb is a spot of water on the lens amplifying the light behind it.

That's no ordinary raindrop.

[oneup]

And the majority of orb skeptics are materialists who refuse to believe in the existence of spirits.

Although there may be exceptions to both rules.

I am actually open to the possibility. But it is stupid to believe in something you cannot prove to yourself. You don't have to either believe something or disbelieve it, you can remain undecided. If I were to experience something supernatural once, things might change. I never have, so it doesn't exist in my reality.

Well, since most photography now is digital, and completely electronic, I would suggest that is why we see them more. They have an electronic signature.

Digital camera's only save their picture on a piece of memory, instead of a roll of film or whatever. They way the actual picture is taken is still as analog as ever, and will always remain that way, since 'light' is 'analog'.

[anthony1965]

Those are spirit orbs... different to Angel orbs.
The orbs in the photo on the right are simply energy...

There are quite a few different types of Orbs and essentially they are 'energy'.

This morning I just happened to come across the term plasmoid and it seems to fit the orb phenomenon very well:

** At death, I assume that the life energy leaves us. The orbs seen in these situations could be capturing that phenomenon perhaps?

** Other plasmoids might help to explain the orbs seen in the sky, often captured on chemtrail photos when the sky is being pumped full of EM energy by the antenna networks to provide the positive charge / ions needed to promote the spread of the chemtrails but also to provide a suitable EM charged environment for anti gravity craft / UFOs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasmoid

A plasmoid is a coherent structure of plasma and magnetic fields. Plasmoids have been proposed to explain natural phenomena such as ball lightning,[1] magnetic bubbles in the magnetosphere,[2] and objects in cometary tails,[3] in the solar wind,[4][5] in the solar atmosphere,[6] and in the heliospheric current sheet. Plasmoids produced in the laboratory include Field-Reversed Configurations, Spheromaks, and the dense plasma focus.

The word plasmoid was coined in 1956 by Winston H. Bostick (1916-1991) to mean a "plasma-magnetic entity":[7]

The plasma is emitted not as an amorphous blob, but in the form of a torus. We shall take the liberty of calling this toroidal structure a plasmoid, a word which means plasma-magnetic entity. The word plasmoid will be employed as a generic term for all plasma-magnetic entities.

Contents [hide]
1 Plasmoid characteristics
2 Cosmic applications
3 Footnotes
4 References
5 See also


[edit] Plasmoid characteristics
Bostick wrote:[7]

Plasmoids appear to be plasma cylinders elongated in the direction of the magnetic field. Plasmoids possess a measurable magnetic moment, a measurable translational speed, a transverse electric field, and a measurable size. Plasmoids can interact with each other, seemingly by reflecting off one another. Their orbits can also be made to curve toward one another. Plasmoids can be made to spiral to a stop if projected into a gas at about 10−3 mm Hg pressure. Plasmoids can also be made to smash each other into fragments. There is some scant evidence to support the hypothesis that they undergo fission and possess spin.

A plasmoid has an internal pressure stemming from both the gas pressure of the plasma and the magnetic pressure of the field. To maintain an approximately static plasmoid radius, this pressure must be balanced an external confining pressure. In a field-free vacuum, for example, a plasmoid will rapidly expand and dissipate.

[anthony1965]

I am actually open to the possibility. But it is stupid to believe in something you cannot prove to yourself. You don't have to either believe something or disbelieve it, you can remain undecided. If I were to experience something supernatural once, things might change. I never have, so it doesn't exist in my reality.



Digital camera's only save their picture on a piece of memory, instead of a roll of film or whatever. They way the actual picture is taken is still as analog as ever, and will always remain that way, since 'light' is 'analog'.

I agree that we shouldn't simply accept something, but my personal experience leads me to believe that these phenomenon exist.

And my research keeps on confirming it!

Please see my post 31 about plasmoids! :)

[oneup]

I agree that we shouldn't simply accept something, but my personal experience leads me to believe that these phenomen exist.

And my research keeps on confirming it!

Please see my post 31 about plasmoids! :)

Agreed, but in my experience research often confirms anything you like to believe, as you are researching inside that frame of reference.

[anthony1965]

Agreed, but in my experience research often confirms anything you like to believe, as you are researching inside that frame of reference.

Not necessarily. I've seen a number of beliefs washed away over the years. Others remain with question marks of various sizes.

What do you think about the plasmoids?

[christ4life]

Funny how orbs only occur when you use a flash on a cheap camera at night and there is a source of particles such as rain, snow or dust or smoke ash. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Well I use a Nikon camera, and I have bright orbs on my pictures.

[christ4life]

Funny how you people actually believe this is dust, or raindrops. There is one freakin orb in the picture you would think there would be lots of them if that were the case.

[christ4life]

These disasters are just the begining it will get much worse hold strong till the end. Just sad how these people's lives are lost at the moment they are enjoying life. Just live everyday likes its your last.

[anthony1965]

Funny how you people actually believe this is dust, or raindrops. There is one freakin orb in the picture you would think there would be lots of them if that were the case.

Please see my post number 31 and let me know what you think! :)

[oneup]

Not necessarily. I've seen a number of beliefs washed away over the years. Others remain with question marks of various sizes.

What do you think about the plasmoids?

True, for me also. But often when you start researching, you search for certain keywords, and find only sites created by believers.

Plasmoids? makes sense, a lot more sense at least than the orb thing. Particularly it is more scientific and analytical which I like.

[anthony1965]

True, for me also. But often when you start researching, you search for certain keywords, and find only sites created by believers.

Plasmoids? makes sense, a lot more sense at least than the orb thing. Particularly it is more scientific and analytical which I like.

Thanks. :)

It fits very well for me and opens up loads of questions in different areas.

[joel1212]

orbs are human spirits. proof of this is people have reported seeing orbs come out of bodies when people astral project and they go around the room

[childofthetao]

Orbs are real, however, since it is sooo easy for something mundane to create a "false" orb I personally would dismiss almost any photo or video of an orb.

There are some videos where you can clearly tell that the orb(s) are supernatural.

The main way of being absolutely certain is to simply see the orb with the naked eye, there is no denying that.

Orbs are actually points of light (like a star) but our eyes are "out of focus" to the orbs place in space a little further from our space, that is why we see them as blobs, they are out of focus points of light.

Peace
Child of the Tao

[anthony1965]

Orbs are real, however, since it is sooo easy for something mundane to create a "false" orb I personally would dismiss almost any photo or video of an orb.

There are some videos where you can clearly tell that the orb(s) are supernatural.

The main way of being absolutely certain is to simply see the orb with the naked eye, there is no denying that.

Orbs are actually points of light (like a star) but our eyes are "out of focus" to the orbs place in space a little further from our space, that is why we see them as blobs, they are out of focus points of light.

Peace
Child of the Tao

Please see my post 31 about the plasmoids. I think this fits in with the spiritual understanding of orbs as well!

[romas]

James Gilliland's farm is filled with orbs, they are somehow connected to UFO phenomenon


http://www.eceti.org/

[simplify]

tks all.....some interesting feedback & some the usual ho hum.

A professional photographer would not take photos with a water droplet on the lens. He would see the droplet while focusing his camera & remove it. So that blows that theory.

Dust particles....so typical a response. One large dust particle.....please.

Light reflection........don't think so.

For me, this is some kind of phenomena not yet understood. I have photographed hundreds of them myself.....& they are a mystery to me.

[christ4life]

Please see my post number 31 and let me know what you think! :)

I do believe there is ball lightning but what I have seen, and photographed on multiple pictures is not caused by storms, rain, and dust. I have pictures with light blue, pink, orange and green orbs. Even one with a face, and have witnessed one in motion at what I thought was a flashlight reflection but then I noticed the light was not against the wall but floating in mid air. Things like this confirm my belief that there is a God who created things we can't comprehend.

[secret66mechanism]

quite a few photographers in this thread i notice, would be nice to see some of what you claim to have taken.

[mrindigo]

Funny how orbs only occur when you use a flash on a cheap camera at night and there is a source of particles such as rain, snow or dust or smoke ash. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I agree apart from the eye rolling.

If you look at the ground around the car, you can see some dust there. It's also accumulated around the tires, and is visibly noticeable. I don't know if the French use road salt for their winters or not, but here in the North East US, it can kick up quite a bit of dust. It looks similar to that.

Most orbs are easily explainable, though there are the rare photos and video footage that are not so easy to write off. Those look nothing like this one.

[fidokrab]

Why isn't there any pictures of orbs without the flash from the camera? Where are the day time orb pictures? Any orbs caught on a camcorder?

I'm skeptical of these orb things until I can see more intriguing and diverse evidence. :cool:

[simplify]

Why isn't there any pictures of orbs without the flash from the camera? Where are the day time orb pictures? Any orbs caught on a camcorder?

I'm skeptical of these orb things until I can see more intriguing and diverse evidence. :cool:

Best way to explore this subject is to get your camera & go take some photos, in all kinds of weather & at all times of the day & night & in a variety of locations. Also try taking them in different seasons. Thats the only way, you can know for sure if they exist or not? You can try different cameras too.

There is no point in making skeptical judgements against others, without trying it for yourself.:)

[tzlr_17]

tks all.....some interesting feedback & some the usual ho hum.

A professional photographer would not take photos with a water droplet on the lens. He would see the droplet while focusing his camera & remove it. So that blows that theory.

Dust particles....so typical a response. One large dust particle.....please.

Light reflection........don't think so.

For me, this is some kind of phenomena not yet understood. I have photographed hundreds of them myself.....& they are a mystery to me.

A 'professional' photographer would indeed take photos with water on the lens, as it's hard to notice them through the viewfinder while focussing... saying that, you can put a 5mm circle of card on the end of a lens and the result would be hardly noticable in this type of photo - the same with water droplets.

This looks more like dust/water droplets to me - if you look at the other photo he took of the actual bodies you will see about a dozen of these 'orbs', all heptagons which suggests he's using a lens with 7 blades - unfortunately he's stripped the EXIF data from the shot so you'd have to ask the guy what lens he's using.

I bet if you contacted the photog he would confirm that he took the photos with a 7 blade lens on a camera with a relatively small sensor (which makes this effect more noticable).

[kgone]

I believe that this is the moon in the background. There was a full moon on Sunday night. It was very soft and wispy (for lack of a better description) rather than bold and bright like some full moons. This could be, because where I live, it was raining too.
I am not discounting orbs and other theories being discussed, but that's the way the moon looked on Saturday and Sunday.

[anthony1965]

I do believe there is ball lightning but what I have seen, and photographed on multiple pictures is not caused by storms, rain, and dust. I have pictures with light blue, pink, orange and green orbs. Even one with a face, and have witnessed one in motion at what I thought was a flashlight reflection but then I noticed the light was not against the wall but floating in mid air. Things like this confirm my belief that there is a God who created things we can't comprehend.

My reference to plasmoids wasn't meant to reduce the concept of orbs to dusty old materialistic science. We and all life forms generate energy. Electro-magnetic energy (and etheric energy).

At the time of death, then the flesh and bone suit is going to be left behind while the energy of the soul and spirit moves on (one interpretation of many possibilities).

The orb here remind me of out of body experiences / near death experiences which often involve a feeling of looking down on events.

I believe that the true concept of life is far more complex than materialistic science allows for. Spiritual concepts are far closer to the truth in my opinion.