Pub landlord is first person in Britain to be jail

[brian foley]

Pub landlord is first person in Britain to be jailed over smoking ban (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1254126/Pub-landlord-Nick-Hogan-given-smoking-ban-jail-sentence.html)
A former pub landlord yesterday became the first person to be jailed in connection with the smoking ban.

Nick Hogan, 43, was sentenced to six months in prison for refusing to pay a fine imposed for flouting the legislation.

Two years ago Hogan, who ran two pubs in Bolton, became the first landlord convicted of breaking the law for allowing his customers to routinely light up in his bars.

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Nick Hogan was the first person to be prosecuted under the new smoking laws. He will spend six months in prison after refusing to pay a fineBan tobacco products altogether thereby eliminating all of the health issues associated with these products. A significant portion of the price of tobacco products is government taxes, each tobacco product you buy funds the government and puts your life at risk, how foolish is that.

[kryst]

Ban tobacco products altogether thereby eliminating all of the health issues associated with these products. A significant portion of the price of tobacco products is government taxes, each tobacco product you buy funds the government and puts your life at risk, how foolish is that.

Why not do the same with alcohol?

[cpfc12]

I do believe this is an attempt to put pressure on the white working classes, to cause some sort of "revolt" or riot. It is stupid when you think of all the muggers, and violent criminals that the cps and courts let off with community service. I don't smoke myself and don't drink all too much but i can understand why people want to, and it should be their right. Its not about our health they are worried about, its about their control manipulating our emotions.

[kitler]

I like the smoking ban.

Now tobacco smokers can know what its been like for marijuanna smokers all these years.

Next it will be drinkers, and before long everyone else, which is great because once everything is illegal all laws will be irrellevent. I'll be able to smoke crack round my grans and she won't be able to say anything because I'll just grass her up for drinking tea.

[academylin]

I like the smoking ban.

Now tobacco smokers can know what its been like for marijuanna smokers all these years.

Next it will be drinkers, and before long everyone else, which is great because once everything is illegal all laws will be irrellevent. I'll be able to smoke crack round my grans and she won't be able to say anything because I'll just grass her up for drinking tea.


LOL! Little Kitler!!:D

I actually feel sorry for the heaps of landlords and landladies whose businesses, I imagine, would've suffered since the ban.

More people would be inclined to sit home watching tv, smoking and drinking from the comfort of their own armchairs.... especially during the winter when you would be forced out into the cold for a ciggie.

I guess it means that TPTB have got you where they want you, Ie; where they know where you are, and in the same vein are killing off the art of social manners and group etiquette.

Conversly, it would tend to promote a lean to a healthier, unsmoking atmosphere, (and if the majority of us were not to smoke, the govnt earn/gleen less from us on taxes upon ciggarettes etc....) but I and the next person know that nicotine is addictive, and for us, as an addictive culture, for most of us it would prove a hard habit to break......................Thus we keep smoking, thus less group activity on the streets/ in the pubs etc... thus less physical law enforcement required, oOoOoOoPS, RAMBLING A LITTLE NOW!

Plus, another thing......... Who decided just to collar the Landlord in Bolton??
I know of places where people are still smoking...... One rule for one......etc??

But anyway, Kitlers comment made me giggle... I am gonna set up a tea drinkers annonymous society, I won't have "the big book" I'll have "the big teapot!"

[bones]

anyone who harps on about how great the smoking ban is is a fucking hipocrit!!!!

all the shit cars and factorys pump out!!!

grow up!

[curtaincat]

I am on the pub landlords side. Good for him! Smoking pretects u from baddies, aliens. Read about it.

True, if u actually bother to read about it.

If you are too lazy , then that it your own fault.

Believing what the govt tells u, shows u are possibly a bit foolish.. ( not insulting anyone here, but just saying think b4 u speak. )

Just saying. . . have a little think about how much your govt cares about you.

:D

[flip side]

next it will be drinkers, and before long everyone else, which is great because once everything is illegal all laws will be irrellevent. I'll be able to smoke crack round my grans and she won't be able to say anything because i'll just grass her up for drinking tea.

lol!!!

[passing]

Now tobacco smokers can know what its been like for marijuanna smokers all these years.

I think quite a few of us already knew :D

[hadabusa]

Ban tobacco products altogether thereby eliminating all of the health issues associated with these products. A significant portion of the price of tobacco products is government taxes, each tobacco product you buy funds the government and puts your life at risk, how foolish is that.

yes,we need more rulings and dogmas by govt.
theyll teach us!

while were at it, death penalty 4 any drug posession.
i mean drugs arent even taxed!

ban cars too, they polute our precious air, ask algore.


nuke the sun, we will show her the bill for climate warming.

yes, we should work our way back to 1800.
were capable of that,but guess what?
wont happen.

this guy goes2prison for something that was legal a decade ago.

you think prison will turn him into a ideological green party fundamental christian ?

[zetetic0void]

Forget "banning" things ... that's obsolete in our modern world... the "banned things" list is far too long and inconvenient to try to search through except by complicated expensive software and computers.


Instead, our modern civilized nations should have lists of what is "acceptable and allowable"... these lists are far shorter and it is much easier to look up any inquiries.


It makes perfect sense in today's convenience-orientated modern civilized world to save time , effort and reduce paper usage by just having "allowable things" lists instead of the volumes which comprise the "Banned Things" list.


Someday, perhaps society will even evolve to the high point where the "Allowable Things" list will fit onto a convenient wallet-sized card. This will mean that every citizen of advanced civilization will be able to easily and swiftly consult the portable list of "allowable things".

Oh, we can only dream of such futuristic worlds of simplicity and order

:rolleyes:

[passing]

this guy goes2prison for something that was legal a decade ago.


This guy goes to prison for something that was utterly commonplace a decade ago!

[armoured_amazon]

I am on the pub landlords side.

+1

[passing]

Instead, our modern civilized nations should have lists of what is "acceptable and allowable"... these lists are far shorter and it is much easier to look up any inquiries.

Someday, perhaps society will even evolve to the high point where the "Allowable Things" list will fit onto a convenient wallet-sized card.
:rolleyes:

It's gonna be a short list.

Sounds like the kind of renaming New Labour would get round to if they have the chance.

[hadabusa]

This guy goes to prison for something that was utterly commonplace a decade ago!

in some subvention cases,one might argue it was pushed by govt.

[the apprentice]

I do believe this is an attempt to put pressure on the white working classes, to cause some sort of "revolt" or riot. It is stupid when you think of all the muggers, and violent criminals that the cps and courts let off with community service. I don't smoke myself and don't drink all too much but i can understand why people want to, and it should be their right. Its not about our health they are worried about, its about their control manipulating our emotions.

+1

Why can't they have a non smoking section where people can go, it used to be called the snug.

[bob_jones]

This is supposed to be a democracy and the last grasp of rights we have is that on the face of it they have to behave as if it was true.

Parliament made the law, he broke the law, he went to jail.

This guy in nothing more than a fool.

What is the principle here if he a a matyr?

I'm trying to work out if I have bowel cancer, I coughed up a little lung tumour on Christmas day and suspect it has eaten down to the colon.

Plus I have two little tumours (benign at the mo) on my dick where I pissed out the poison water after my land lord Clive Grove set up carcenogenic poisons to be added to my drinking water supply at 22a New Road Llanelli in January 2004.


After being brought up an anti-smoking fasist (My grandmother wrote letters to the Rothchilds about her claim to the throne becuse the Windsors can't afford to bribe them off and when I was ten I had a proposal from one and I relpied "No thank you, I don't like cigarrets" having only heard of the name on fag packets.)

But all it took was a psy-op mixing drink and smoking when I was 15 to get me to try it.

My friends went to the heavy metal pub in Swansea on a Saturday afternoon and some girls left with a packet of fags on the table.

So there was an implied ofer of future sex as reward for smoking.

They lit up and laughed a lot and we took photos on the way back to town (Llanelli) in the photobooth.

But to this day there are psy-ops to get me to smoke.

The bent cop Prince Charles bribed to threaten to kill me in Rumours night club in Ammanford told Tom to offer me a cigerette.

John Scarlet the former head of M.I.6 told me to smoke when he was mugging me using hypnotism in Toulon last September and sending me off to shag a prostitute (never done that) and to be murdered by the pimps from the French foreign legion.

It is much better banned I support the ban, I support your right not to and to say wahtever you like about it.

What I fancy is an alovera and skunk ice lolly.

Who is going to write to their MP to let them know it would do me good and that I will just be in bed with a German Beer raving my hands to the radio beats and going arrgggg and laughing my socks off, not start a revolution against them so don't be paranoid?

I mean if I did have IBS it would do it a lot of good to relax.

Actually I remember being hypnotised to have that by Jason Thomas now.

But the germ warfare is real too.

Prince Charles is not only at war with my cock by my guts too, he hates them.

1. Germ warfare e.g e-coli,
2. Hypnotised for gut cramps,
3. Pancriatic damage by Orlanzapine,
4. Possible bowel cancer.

I mean that is one war on my turds dudes!!!!

[kitler]

prince charles is not only at war with my cock by my guts too, he hates them.


You should get that slogan onto a T-Shirt

[bob_jones]

You should get that slogan onto a T-Shirt

It's true, Kiran Crosgove was bribing Robin Palmer heroin and he kept trying cover hypnosis, alway jumping at the opportunity to tell me stories about himself or his friend who gave up smoking for two years and started again.

The idea is that I will start after two years to be the same as them.

The worst one was that all the fat I lost on my bike rife to the south of France I put on and more.

That mind control was Mike Cole and Steve Moon, they drugged my drink and someone even came over and told me.

I just said "It's ok I trust them" I mean that is previous hypnotic mind contol.

then they spoke to me in my sleep.

If I had crashed on the floor I would have been sectioned with a pre-arranged plan.

I go home to bed.

Not only that but there was reverb on my Johnny Cash number in the karioki (Orange blosom special) but I'm that totally fuckin brill I still brought the house down, just pulled the mike back and made up for it somehow.

[bob_jones]

It's true, Kiran Crosgove was bribing Robin Palmer heroin and he kept trying cover hypnosis, alway jumping at the opportunity to tell me stories about himself or his friend who gave up smoking for two years and started again.

The idea is that I will start after two years to be the same as them.

The worst one was that all the fat I lost on my bike rife to the south of France I put on and more.

That mind control was Mike Cole and Steve Moon, they drugged my drink and someone even came over and told me.

I just said "It's ok I trust them" I mean that is previous hypnotic mind contol.

then they spoke to me in my sleep.

If I had crashed on the floor I would have been sectioned with a pre-arranged plan.

I go home to bed.

Not only that but there was reverb on my Johnny Cash number in the karioki (Orange blosom special) but I'm that totally fuckin brill I still brought the house down, just pulled the mike back and made up for it somehow.

Can you read my post and make up for "clever" pigs and there tamper worm?

It's true, Kiran Crosgove was bribing Robin Palmer heroin and he kept trying cover hypnosis, alway jumping at the opportunity to tell me stories about himself or his friend who gave up smoking for two years and started again.

The idea is that I will start after two years to be the same as them.

The worst one was that all the fat I lost on my bike ride to the south of France I put back on and more.

That mind control was done by Mike Cole and Steve Moon, they drugged my drink and someone even came over and told me.

I just said "It's ok I trust them" I mean that is previous hypnotic mind contol.

Then they spoke to me in my sleep.

If I had crashed on the floor I would have been sectioned with a pre-arranged plan.

I got home to bed.

Not only that but there was reverb on my Johnny Cash number in the karioki (Orange blosom special) but I'm that totally fuckin brill I still brought the house down, just pulled the mike back and made up for it somehow

[bob_jones]

Look at that (above), they want to potray a mental retard so put there instead of their while I was typing, they also drop the case on my capitals, and love blanking the letter a and the shift so I keep typing chrls instead of Chalres.

They will be telling you I gave my oli to Argentina because I'm vulnerable with Down syndrome next.

Not because if the Windsors want to sell my oil they had better fight a war to get it frist!!!

[merlincove]

I am on the pub landlords side. Good for him!

:D

+1

i'd back the landlord to.

though, and without wishing to divert the discussion, the landlord is a corporate entity and as such is obliged to adhere to government law (statutes), though really what crime has he commited to be sent to prison?

i am not a smoker, and when i used to go to pubs it did used to piuss me off, particularly when the pubs served food, that people would smoke next to you while you were eating. There was a need for a designated smoking area, for sure, but to blanket ban smoking was just Orwellian.

[decim]

Warning to Smoking 'Criminals'....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1000000/images/_1004547_uk_cell150.jpg

Skinny people to be outlawed says 'government think-tank' as they highlight fat people's obesity causing mental anguish...Thin people to get 50% discounts on flights as they can fit two to a seat....

A recent poll of the British people revealed 99.9% replied F##k Thee Sen OFF!! when asked about anything the 'government' had to say...

[mr fiddler]

This landlord is a true British hero, if only there were more strong willed members of society.

everyone knows non-smokers are boring "Robots"

[geezer661]

i support the ban. Just because ppl smoke it dont mean i have to. I dont drink my pint and piss in yr face! so dont fuckin smoke round me.

[armoured_amazon]

i support the ban. Just because ppl smoke it dont mean i have to. I dont drink my pint and piss in yr face! so dont fuckin smoke round me.

Silly. What would you have against pubs having smoking lounges, or designated smoking and non-smoking pubs? I went out of business because of the smoking ban, and I wasn't the only one. Oh, and pubs smell more of BO now, so by your token, why should people have to endure other people's bad hygiene?

[passing]

Oh, and pubs smell more of BO now

Interesting point!

I very rarely go in a pub now, whereas I used to quite often, even if just for 15 minutes on the way home. Roll on summer and the pub gardens!

EDIT; even when you could smoke you could often smell the pub toilet...

[innerlight]

Silly. What would you have against pubs having smoking lounges, or designated smoking and non-smoking pubs? I went out of business because of the smoking ban, and I wasn't the only one. Oh, and pubs smell more of BO now, so by your token, why should people have to endure other people's bad hygiene?

i've noticed the BO thing in public alot more lately. everywhere one goes, on the bus, into McD's, into Wallyworld, the stench is quite obvious in some places.

the chemicals they put in the deodorant are not lining up with their genetic composition i guess.

sorry to hear about your business. it's a double edged sword the smoking ban. alot of bad, alot of good. just depends on one's own point of view i suppose.

[armoured_amazon]

i've noticed the BO thing in public alot more lately. everywhere one goes, on the bus, into McD's, into Wallyworld, the stench is quite obvious in some places.

the chemicals they put in the deodorant are not lining up with their genetic composition i guess.

sorry to hear about your business. it's a double edged sword the smoking ban. alot of bad, alot of good. just depends on one's own point of view i suppose.

The only good I've noticed is not having smoky hair when coming home from a night out. So many colleagues have lost their pubs, lost their gigs, town nightlife consists of coked up twentysomethings now. The smokers stay home. And when smokers do go out, freakin' non-smoking friends follow us out to the smokers area anyway! Wtf? Smoking ban was the death knell in social gathering, as far as I can see.

[geezer661]

Silly. What would you have against pubs having smoking lounges, or designated smoking and non-smoking pubs? I went out of business because of the smoking ban, and I wasn't the only one. Oh, and pubs smell more of BO now, so by your token, why should people have to endure other people's bad hygiene?

when did i say they should. You ever think you went out business because the extortionate price of a pint ?

Also if yr saying yr customers smell of bo no wonder you went out of business

Also if you had lounges wht about the poor fucking staff tht has to breath tht filth in.

[armoured_amazon]

when did i say they should. You ever think you went out business because the extortionate price of a pint ?

Also if yr saying yr customers smell of bo no wonder you went out of business

Also if you had lounges wht about the poor fucking staff tht has to breath tht filth in.

Bitch, please. You think bar staff are all non-smokers? And if bar licensees say it was the smoking ban that killed their profits, I'll go with their interpretation of the market downturn, not yours. You'd be in favour for an Orwellian state, wouldn't you? Should banning vehicles, with all their fumes leaking over children in the street be next?

Talk to the hand.

[geezer661]

The only good I've noticed is not having smoky hair when coming home from a night out. So many colleagues have lost their pubs, lost their gigs, town nightlife consists of coked up twentysomethings now. The smokers stay home. And when smokers do go out, freakin' non-smoking friends follow us out to the smokers area anyway! Wtf? Smoking ban was the death knell in social gathering, as far as I can see.

so your saying that a social society only exists with smokers?

If smokers mind just poppin outside for a few minutes to smoke then it just shows how fucking ignorant they are. Which they are making other ppl breath tht fuckin filth in

[armoured_amazon]

so your saying that a social society only exists with smokers?

If smokers mind just poppin outside for a few minutes to smoke then it just shows how fucking ignorant they are. Which they are making other ppl breath tht fuckin filth in

Stfu. Give me all night breathing other people's smoke over five minutes in your company at the bar any day.

[geezer661]

Bitch, please. You think bar staff are all non-smokers? And if bar licensees say it was the smoking ban that killed their profits, I'll go with their interpretation of the market downturn, not yours. You'd be in favour for an Orwellian state, wouldn't you? Should banning vehicles, with all their fumes leaking over children in the street be next?

Talk to the hand.

so it has nothing to do with charging over 2.50 for a pint? you need to fucvkin remortgage yr house for a night out here and if its the smoking ban they why are wetherspoons doing such great fucking business? is it because they only charge one pound odd a pint?

[geezer661]

Stfu. Give me all night breathing other people's smoke over five minutes in your company at the bar any day.

see to insult me just shows the how weak you are because you have no counter arguments

[armoured_amazon]

so it has nothing to do with charging over 2.50 for a pint? you need to fucvkin remortgage yr house for a night out here and if its the smoking ban they why are wetherspoons doing such great fucking business? is it because they only charge one pound odd a pint?

Wetherspoons have never had live entertainment, so I don't give a fuck about them. You're going on ignore now, 'cause you're too brainwashed for me to even bother addressing.

[geezer661]

awwww poor you. Spat yr dummy out and cant debate. I destroyed you HA

[geezer661]

yes im the brainwashed one. Sure Im the one who is addicted to little white sticks and will shake if i dont have one every 10 minutes. hmmmmm

[geezer661]

dont you just love the businesses tht whinge about goin out of business and yet dont even think to lower their rip off prices. tlk about derrrrrrr!!!!!!

[innerlight]

awwww poor you. Spat yr dummy out and cant debate. I destroyed you HA

you, sir, won an internet debate! congratulations on securing a VIP spot in this summer's SPECIAL OLYMPICS.....

[from beyond]

so your saying that a social society only exists with smokers?



i would say that smokers tend to be the life of the party myself....I have witnessed it time and time again.Once they get up to go have a smoke.....a table full of non-smokers are left, trying to figure out what to say and do....and yes many go where the fun and action is.....with the smokers outside!

[armoured_amazon]

you, sir, won an internet debate! Congratulations on securing a vip spot in this summer's special olympics.....

rofl

[21_12_2012]

I'm from Bolton, and this guy is a local hero to countless people. If more landlords would have done what he did, the ban might have changed, I suppose we'll never know.

This lady did something too, in Barnsley, using a loophole in the smoking ban law, she made a 'smoking research centre' in her pub, which legally allows people to smoke inside the premises.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1180826/Landlady-transforms-pub-smoking-research-centre-legal-loophole-customers-smoke-indoors.html

Landlady transforms pub into 'smoking research centre' in legal loophole so customers can smoke indoors

With her pub struggling to survive, landlady Kerry Fenton needed a way to bring in business - fast.

So when one of her regulars claimed he had found a 'legal loophole' to get round the smoking ban, she decided to act on his advice.

Just five days later, customer numbers have quadrupled as word has spread about the 'smoking research centre' in the Cutting Edge pub in Barnsley.

James Martin, 40, studied the fine print of The Smoke-Free (Exemptions and Vehicles) Regulations 2007 to come up with a solution to his local pub's problems in the non-smoking era.

He worked out that a 'smoking research centre' could be introduced if the building has a separate room and no through bar. Customers would be allowed to smoke in the room after filling in a research questionnaire about their smoking habits.

Miss Fenton, 36, gave the smoking room the go ahead and is delighted with the results.

She said: 'Before our research centre opened we were lucky to get 10 people in at a weekend and we were struggling to survive.

'It's certainly given business a shot in the arm and it's all in the name of research, legal and above board. On Friday we had 29, on Saturday 31 and on Sunday 46 customers in the tap room.'

Now her secret is out, however, the authorities are likely to move to close the loophole and end the pub's evasion of the ban.

Miss Fenton, a non-smoker herself, asks smokers to put 50p in a charity box for a donation to cancer research.


The questionnaires ask customers if their smoking habits have changed since the introduction of the new law and details of their age and how many cigarettes they smoke.

She said: 'I am collecting all the questionnaires and keeping them safely. I hope they can be used by academics in universities and colleges who are interested in studying the effects of this law.

'I am a non-smoker but I believe in the freedom of the individual. There is no good reason why people should not be allowed to smoke.'

Mr Martin, a printer, said: 'I wanted to have a pub to smoke in before they all closed down. I studied details of the act closely, we drew up the questionnaires and it's taken off in a big way.

'I have already had enquiries from other pubs about introducing research centres and I'm expecting many more to join in.'

Yesterday news of the 'loophole' caused confusion in Whitehall with the Home Office and Department of Health referring enquiries to each other.

But local authorities are likely to show more interest.

Punch Taverns, which owns the pub, said it did 'not endorse this activity' and the licensee 'will be advised against' continuing with it.

The local council, which is responsible for enforcing the ban on smoking in public places, is also looking into the matter.

Simon Frow, Barnsley Council's head of Regulatory Services, said: 'The Cutting Edge is quite clearly not a research or test facility and as such is not exempt under the legislation quoted as an attempted "get out" clause.

'Therefore, the law requiring it to be smokefree applies and we will be enforcing it.'

The maximum penalty for permitting smoking on smokefree premises is a £2,500 fine.

[geezer661]

you, sir, won an internet debate! congratulations on securing a VIP spot in this summer's SPECIAL OLYMPICS.....

thanks :D Will i be able to watch u in the 100 meters from there?

[brian foley]

Why not do the same with alcohol?
Absolutely no, leave that to the Mormons and Muslims.

[decim]

The 'smoking ban' has nothing to do with getting people to stop smoking or is it to do with the health of the persecuted souls who have to toil in pubs in 23hr shifts or the press ganged drinkers who inhabit pubs in order to consume the therapeutic health promoting magic beer & spirits..

'Your government' Cares About You....Honestly

Silly. What would you have against pubs having smoking lounges, or designated smoking and non-smoking pubs? I went out of business because of the smoking ban, and I wasn't the only one. Oh, and pubs smell more of BO now, so by your token, why should people have to endure other people's bad hygiene?

[passing]

The 'smoking ban' has nothing to do with getting people to stop smoking or is it to do with the health of the persecuted souls who have to toil in pubs in 23hr shifts or the press ganged drinkers who inhabit pubs in order to consume the therapeutic health promoting magic beer & spirits..

'Your government' Cares About You....Honestly

So in a roundabout way you're saying that the government is trying to help society by reducing the use of tobacco and alcohol?

I can see merit in that, but they'd have to either eradicate both things from the earth or start a vicious ongoing policing of these things... and since we're talking about plants and their fermenting juices, it's not going to happen. Technology and civilisation will fall before tobacco and alcohol go... marijuana too. And even if they all fall, I bet the plants and their fermenting juices come back first! :D

[innerlight]

Absolutely no, leave that to the Mormons and Muslims.


trying to think of what the Mormons and Muslims have in common, besides fruity legalism and such in their dogmas.

both groups seem to allow their men to take on multiple shag muffins and such. this was also a common practice in pre-Christian Judaism. perhaps there is more to this than meets the all seeing eye?

[innerlight]

So in a roundabout way you're saying that the government is trying to help society by reducing the use of tobacco and alcohol?

I can see merit in that, but they'd have to either eradicate both things from the earth or start a vicious ongoing policing of these things... and since we're talking about plants and their fermenting juices, it's not going to happen. Technology and civilisation will fall before tobacco and alcohol go... marijuana too. And even if they all fall, I bet the plants and their fermenting juices come back first! :D

could this be the prelude to the real goal? When the American public endured PROHIBITION in the early 1900s, where the consumption and production of alcohol was "illegal", the main affects were higher rates of alcoholism, increased organized criminal activity, and the ground work for the introduction of new forms of taxation.

once this SMOKING BAN has run its course, it will be lifted much to the enjoyment of those owning coffers at the government banking houses and tobacco producing industries....

[passing]

trying to think of what the Mormons and Muslims have in common

They both begin with M. And they believe in an afterlife of paradise.

[decim]

So in a "roundabout way" I posted belligerent facetiousness.

So in a roundabout way you're saying that the government is trying to help society by reducing the use of tobacco and alcohol?

I can see merit in that, but they'd have to either eradicate both things from the earth or start a vicious ongoing policing of these things... and since we're talking about plants and their fermenting juices, it's not going to happen. Technology and civilisation will fall before tobacco and alcohol go... marijuana too. And even if they all fall, I bet the plants and their fermenting juices come back first! :D

[passing]

could this be the prelude to the real goal? When the American public endured PROHIBITION in the early 1900s, where the consumption and production of alcohol was "illegal", the main affects were higher rates of alcoholism, increased organized criminal activity, and the ground work for the introduction of new forms of taxation.

once this SMOKING BAN has run its course, it will be lifted much to the enjoyment of those owning coffers at the government banking houses and tobacco producing industries....

Yeah, interesting to think - how long will it be before the ban is lifted, because you can bet your arses it will be... in 5, 10, 20 , 50 , 100 years.

Banning things makes them more sexy, like Sex Pistols records and Mohammed cartoons.

[hadabusa]

so your saying that a social society only exists with smokers?

If smokers mind just poppin outside for a few minutes to smoke then it just shows how fucking ignorant they are. Which they are making other ppl breath tht fuckin filth in

lol,we the swiss voted and banned it.
direct democracy can be a doubleedge sword.

but atleast opposition made sure theres2 areas, nonsmoke/smoke.
seems best.

[passing]

So in a "roundabout way" I posted belligerent facetiousness.

Um, no... I just thought you were being sarcastic... otherwise I don't get your post.

[tb303]

I like the smoking ban.

Now tobacco smokers can know what its been like for marijuanna smokers all these years.

At least you don't immediately start talking bollocks or thinking that you're hip/cosmic/paranoid or become delusional when you passively inhale tobacco smoke ;)


I'll be able to smoke crack round my grans and she won't be able to say anything because I'll just grass her up for drinking tea.

Wouldn't your gran have enough to worry about without you smoking crack in her living room?

[brian foley]

trying to think of what the Mormons and Muslims have in common, besides fruity legalism and such in their dogmas.

both groups seem to allow their men to take on multiple shag muffins and such. this was also a common practice in pre-Christian Judaism. perhaps there is more to this than meets the all seeing eye?True Mormons also ride around on bicycles with strange haircuts as well, and Moslems bend over in temples to pray with the guys arse in front... see what alcohol deprivation does to you.

[tb303]

True Mormons also ride around on bicycles with strange haircuts as well, and Moslems bend over in temples to pray with the guys arse in front... see what alcohol deprivation does to you.

:D

[griffinman]

I don't understand why you can't have 'smoking pubs' and non smoking pubs.

What a bunch of fascists.

I admire people who only smoke dope and not cigs.
Me and cigs, I'm always giving up, either on the gum or the cigs.

[fidokrab]

This is an insult to pipe smokers. Our smoke doesn't smell like ass like cigarettes do, and we rarely smoke in public.

[psychick]

I'll be able to smoke crack round my grans and she won't be able to say anything because I'll just grass her up for drinking tea.

what a brilliant and very witty perspective! LOL :D:D

[innerlight]

True Mormons also ride around on bicycles with strange haircuts as well, and Moslems bend over in temples to pray with the guys arse in front... see what alcohol deprivation does to you.

i often wondered if those white-shirted, Dumb and Dumber haircuted, bicycle riding Mormons were actually transporting weed or coke in their backpacks?

"Hey Mohammed, would u like some ale?"

"Nein. Allah forbids it. Curses upon you and your mustache for offering!"

great post Brian! You gave me a right good laugh with your wit. I assume u are brit?

[hadabusa]

They both begin with M. And they believe in an afterlife of paradise.

and harems

[whitewolf]

i'd back the landlord to.

though, and without wishing to divert the discussion, the landlord is a corporate entity and as such is obliged to adhere to government law (statutes), though really what crime has he commited to be sent to prison?

i am not a smoker, and when i used to go to pubs it did used to piuss me off, particularly when the pubs served food, that people would smoke next to you while you were eating. There was a need for a designated smoking area, for sure, but to blanket ban smoking was just Orwellian.

I'm with the landlord too, It's not about smoking, it's about refusing to be told again and again what we can put in and do with our bodies.

NOBODY is following the smoking ban here in Greece, all the smoking customers of bars, coffee shops and tavernas are ignoring the ban, and the owners of these businesses are not enforcing it......BRAVO HELLAS!!!

PS and dictators can disguise themselves as liberators, beware!

why do you think Greece is being targeted right now? because they refuse to follow rules. A pain in the bum sometimes but an admirable and necessary attitude these days. It's about time you northern Europeans got yourselves a backbone and start to say NO to the dictatorship en masse.

[rydeon]

I do believe this is an attempt to put pressure on the white working classes, to cause some sort of "revolt" or riot. It is stupid when you think of all the muggers, and violent criminals that the cps and courts let off with community service. I don't smoke myself and don't drink all too much but i can understand why people want to, and it should be their right. Its not about our health they are worried about, its about their control manipulating our emotions.

Correct, this just shows what a soft-totalitarian world the UK and other places are in now!

War is peace, ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery.

[rydeon]

I'm with the landlord too, It's not about smoking, it's about refusing to be told again and again what we can put in and do with our bodies.

NOBODY is following the smoking ban here in Greece, all the smoking customers of bars, coffee shops and tavernas are ignoring the ban, and the owners of these businesses are not enforcing it......BRAVO HELLAS!!! themselves

PS and dictators can disguise themselves as liberators, beware!

why do you think Greece is being targeted right now? because they refuse to follow rules. A pain in the bum sometimes but an admirable and necessary attitude these days. It's about time you northern Europeans got yourselves a backbone and start to say NO to the dictatorship en masse.

We have mate, but the problem here in the UK is that there are a growing army of snitches and back-stabbers. Usually brainwashed they crave regulation and the nanny-state.

They grass up people to the authorities when something is going on outside their comfort zone.
In Greece and other lands in the P.I.G.S they are so relaxed and carefree they hardly mind but in elsewhere in Euroland it's like the stasi never disbanded.

[whitewolf]

Yeah I know what you mean, Icke once said we the sheep and the sheep dogs, good observation. Mind you the Greeks will grass up eachother too, usually to the tax office, if it benefits them, or rather cuts down the competition.
There is more personal freedom here than other countries. For example the wearing a crash helmet rule; it's about 50/50 of bike riders who'll wear them. Same with seat belts. The police sometimes have a crack down, probably when they need a christmas party fund top up. There are no cameras, or police usually, on the roads, except on the highways around Athens, and they mostly don't work, the camera that is. Consequently the driving is terrible and dangerous, the downside of no policing. The cameras installed in Athens for the Olympics have mostly been shot out or dismantled by 'anarchists'
The attitude here is, it's my body, I'll wear a helmet or smoke a cigarette if I want to if I don't that's mt look out, fair enough I say. It's a small victory but a step in the right direction.

[psychick]

It's about time you northern Europeans got yourselves a backbone and start to say NO to the dictatorship en masse.

I know, and the Brits are the worst... total pussies. All sheep.
The French are pretty feisty, they just burn down the Headquarters of whatever authority they don't like.

[armoured_amazon]

The attitude here is, it's my body, I'll wear a helmet or smoke a cigarette if I want to if I don't that's mt look out, fair enough I say. It's a small victory but a step in the right direction.

It's a good attitude.

[hadabusa]

Yeah I know what you mean, Icke once said we the sheep and the sheep dogs, good observation. Mind you the Greeks will grass up eachother too, usually to the tax office, if it benefits them, or rather cuts down the competition.
There is more personal freedom here than other countries. For example the wearing a crash helmet rule; it's about 50/50 of bike riders who'll wear them. Same with seat belts. The police sometimes have a crack down, probably when they need a christmas party fund top up. There are no cameras, or police usually, on the roads, except on the highways around Athens, and they mostly don't work, the camera that is. Consequently the driving is terrible and dangerous, the downside of no policing. The cameras installed in Athens for the Olympics have mostly been shot out or dismantled by 'anarchists'
The attitude here is, it's my body, I'll wear a helmet or smoke a cigarette if I want to if I don't that's mt look out, fair enough I say. It's a small victory but a step in the right direction.
i love my greek bothers, but theres that saying about money, a greek is worse then 2jews(in montenegro,ppl say this, but of course, nicely meant).

kalispera,man
:cool:

[hadabusa]

I know, and the Brits are the worst... total pussies. All sheep.
The French are pretty feisty, they just burn down the Headquarters of whatever authority they don't like.

the swiss stormed parliament in its history:eek::D

commonwealth ppl talk about vigilance, the rest actually practices it.

greek,french,swiss are the most "dedicated" bunch,no doubt.
southern europe in general is feisty, but the french clearly got the freshest spirit of all.
i dont like them,but i find them interesting:)

[psychick]

i dont like them,but i find them interesting:)


I don't like them either but i'd like to take over their country, especially the South of France :p

[armoured_amazon]

I want to live in France. Now I know they're feisty, I want to live there even more! :)

[psychick]

I want to live in France. Now I know they're feisty, I want to live there even more! :)

HAHAHA love it! :D

Yeah, i'd quite like to live there... or Southern Spain, Italy, Switzerland.
The french are very romantic and make wonderful lovers, so i'm told ;)

[hadabusa]

I want to live in France. Now I know they're feisty, I want to live there even more! :)

theyre also said2be good lovers.id agree,its all cocksuckers.jk:)

i made the mistake of housing a french guy one night, he brought over his gf.
he knocked her up all night, it sounded like soddom&gomorra/murder festival/war combined from my guest room.

:D

[hadabusa]

HAHAHA love it! :D

Yeah, i'd quite like to live there... or Southern Spain, Italy, Switzerland.
The french are very romantic and make wonderful lovers, so i'm told ;)

however, havent you ever heard the saying "jugo jebe dugo"??

:cool:

i suggest google translator:)

[psychick]

however, havent you ever heard the saying "jugo jebe dugo"??

:cool:

i suggest google translator:)

south fucks long?

O-K-A-Y

How's your EGO doing today haberdashery?

[tb303]

I want to live in France. Now I know they're feisty, I want to live there even more! :)

Since we're getting spirited off the island, let's go about as south as you can go (caution: forum display width fucker!) ;)

http://www.cam.cornell.edu/~lmchilds/Coffee%20Bay,%20South%20Africa.jpg

[armoured_amazon]

theyre also said2be good lovers.id agree,its all cocksuckers.jk:)

i made the mistake of housing a french guy one night, he brought over his gf.
he knocked her up all night, it sounded like soddom&gomorra/murder festival/war combined from my guest room.

:D

Lmao love it :D

Since we're getting spirited off the island, let's go about as south as you can go (caution: forum display width fucker!) ;)


Gorgeous!

[tb303]

Gorgeous!

Yep, The Wild Coast! ;)

[brian foley]

i often wondered if those white-shirted, Dumb and Dumber haircuted, bicycle riding Mormons were actually transporting weed or coke in their backpacks?
I see you have had the experience of a pair of Mormons turn up on your front door.
"Hey Mohammed, would u like some ale?"

"Nein. Allah forbids it. Curses upon you and your mustache for offering!"
:)
great post Brian! You gave me a right good laugh with your wit. I assume u are brit?
Of British descent I am the son of immigrants to Australia.

[tb303]

Of British descent I am the son of immigrants to Australia.

Ah, then you're the offspring of cockney n'er do wells ;)

[guuna]

I know, and the Brits are the worst... total pussies. All sheep.
The French are pretty feisty, they just burn down the Headquarters of whatever authority they don't like.

Sad, but there is some truth in that.

People here are way too willing to just bow to any stupid law or regulation foisted upon them by someone with a grand job title or uniform.


'ere, I'm a policeman/work for the council, bend over the table and drop yer trousers...'

Getting us into one sorry Orwellian mess.:mad:

[armoured_amazon]

Perhaps we should just let them sleepwalk their way into social prison, and focus on making a better life for ourselves, outside of their society. They clearly don't want to change. Brits like the act of complaining, not actually doing anything about it. They'll moan about the government and CCTV etc, but at the end of the day, they'll go home to their flat screen TVs and Wii consoles.

[hidden_primes]

This perspective from The Publican - the pub trade magazine, published 2 days after former landlord of The Swan and Barristers in Bolton, Nick Hogan was hit with fines & costs of £10,000, yes, TEN THOUSAND POUNDS, for allowing his customers to smoke, in his pub.

The first person convicted for flouting the smoking ban, under the Health Act 2006, was a regular at Nick's pub, a chap called, Gerard Hart. Mr Hart pleaded guilty and was fined on 2.10.7.

Nick Hogan's £10,000 fine was handed down 119 days later.

The Publican (http://www.thepublican.com/story.asp?sectioncode=16&storycode=58460&c=2)

Pete Robinson: Nick Hogan's £10,000 fine in perspective

30 January, 2008

By Pete Robinson

On Monday smoking ban rebel Nick Hogan was fined a total of £10,000 for failing to stop people lighting-up in his pubs.

He said afterwards: “I think the financial penalty is extortionate considering the offence. If I was a drug dealer doing small amounts of cocaine I would probably only get a slap on the wrists.”

And he's right.

Nick has been accused by some of publicity seeking and even 'cashing in' on the smoking ban by his actions. Obviously he sought to draw publicity to his cause otherwise there would have been no point. He was fighting for his beliefs and knew it could cost him dearly, as it has.

Nick Hogan was fined for dissent in a country that preaches tolerance while practicing anything but. His punishment was designed to show the rest of us proles who is the boss, that you don't mess with 'The State'.

All he's done is to allow a number of consenting adults to enjoy their perfectly legal time-honoured habit on his premises. He hasn't recklessly endangered the public or created some kind of affray.

Anyone who found his pub undesirable was perfectly at liberty to use another just along the road.

To put his punishment into perspective here, for comparison, are a few more fines handed out on the same Monday. Most of these did affect the health and well being of others, in some cases fatally:

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A detective constable who was "aggressively" driving an unmarked police car hit and killed a 43-year-old man - fined just £2,000 (13 days' pay).

A Liverpool Chinese supermarket selling out-of-date food more than two weeks past it's use-by date - fined £600 and ordered to pay the council’s costs of £1,500.

Scottish international defender Bob Malcolm was found fast asleep and drunk in the middle lane of the M1 motorway - fined £750, 20 months ban and ordered to pay £75 costs.

A boss who made bogus insurance claims totaling £92,000 for burglaries at his builder's yard, also tried to hide plant machinery by burying it underground - fined £5,000 with £560 costs.

A pregnant teenager died after her car was struck by a Dutch trucker who was charged with causing death by dangerous driving. He pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of careless driving and was fined £1,000 with six licence points.

A man who pleaded guilty to possession of a quantity of cocaine was fined £200 by Preston magistrates and ordered to pay £50 costs.

A man assaulted two police officers after punching his own brother was fined £400 for the two assaults, £50 for obstructing a police officer and £60 costs.

A man who caused an 11 vehicle pile-up on the M1, resulting in 5 deaths, was fined just £130 for careless driving.

A 75-year-old man head-butted and threatened to stab a teenaged supermarket worker after being asked to move his car, his second assault in 2 years - conditionally discharged and ordered to pay £200 in compensation.

The owners of a Perth fish shop were fined a total of £850 after environmental health officials discovered a catalogue of food hygiene breaches during two visits to the premises last year.

Boxing champ Amir Khan got his second driving ban in three months and was fined £1,000 – after a court heard he tore along a motorway at 140mph.

Nick Hogan was fined £10,000 pounds for allowing his customer's to smoke in his pub and is now resting at Her Majesty's Pleasure . . .

[girlgye]

I like the smoking ban.

Now tobacco smokers can know what its been like for marijuanna smokers all these years.

Next it will be drinkers, and before long everyone else, which is great because once everything is illegal all laws will be irrellevent. I'll be able to smoke crack round my grans and she won't be able to say anything because I'll just grass her up for drinking tea.

Nah then that would give us an excuse the very expensive drain on our taxes the POLICE FORCE. Lets face it the bulk of their work is at the weekends dealing with the very real threat of Britains lessoning legions of City drunks. The week comprises of horse back riders hanging outside the corridors of Universities taxing poor students who have failed to update their Car tax.

[hidden_primes]

Donate to Nick Hogan's fighting fund at the Old Holborn Blog (http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/2010/02/nick-hogan-jailed-over-no-smoking-ban.html)

CURRENT TOTAL DONATED £5029.50

There has been a fair amount of comment in the blogosphere regarding the six month jail sentence given to Nick Hogan for flouting the 'no-smoking ban'.


Outrage has been duly expressed, here, there, and everywhere. Perhaps we can do better than just express outrage?


Nick was actually jailed for non-payment of the fine originally imposed for a 'mass smoke-in' on the day the ban came into force in 2007 in his pub, the 'Swan and Barristers' in Bolton. He no longer has that pub. He was fined again when council inspectors walked into his present pub and discovered a group of customers smoking - Nick wasn't even on the premises.


His wife, Denise, is now managing their present pub in Chorley herself. Their trade is so low that they don't even bother to open the downstairs bar. Nick is bankrupt, and had gone to court intending to argue that he could not afford the £500 a month payments demanded by the council towards their £11,600 bill for prosecuting him. He has already paid off £1,600. The court gave him a six month sentence instead, and he is currently in Forest Bank prison in Pendlebury, unable to help to earn the money which would ensure his release.


Denise has not even been able to speak to him since he was sentenced. She has merely been told to phone the prison on Monday to enquire when she might see him. She is confused, frightened, and feeling very lonely.


If all the people who disagree with the no-smoking ban contributed a few coppers, then Nick would be released. If you can't afford £1, then at least drop Nick a line and let him know he is not forgotten - not surprisingly, he is feeling very depressed.


Denise has just said to me 'all the people who disagree with the ban - where are they now? - and my Nick is in prison'. Quite.


Denise has no idea how to use the Internet, she has no idea how many of us are against the no-smoking ban. Let's show her.


£1 each - just 10,000 of you - let's see if the blogosphere can do more than merely rant in unison. Once the amount received totals the outstanding fine, they have to release Nick.


Nick's address is:


HMP & YOI Forest Bank
Agecroft Road
Pendlebury
Manchester
M27 8FB

Justice For Nick Hogan - PayPal link here (http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/2010/03/nick-hogan-update.html)

[curtaincat]

i'd back the landlord to.

though, and without wishing to divert the discussion, the landlord is a corporate entity and as such is obliged to adhere to government law (statutes), though really what crime has he commited to be sent to prison?

i am not a smoker, and when i used to go to pubs it did used to piuss me off, particularly when the pubs served food, that people would smoke next to you while you were eating. There was a need for a designated smoking area, for sure, but to blanket ban smoking was just Orwellian.

I agree, nobody should have a fag when others are eating, or else move away... but otherwise it is fine.

If i wanna have a smoke it is my right. ( there is a saying an unalienable right... or something like that, need a dictioniary, lol , hee hee, cant spell)

but smoking, imo, pretects against aliens. and for all those who refuse to believe me, just wait and see, lol :D ... i aint joking either, but beleive what u want, see if i care, lol. ( actually i do care :) )

They baddies will tax the air that we breathe... they are already doing it..

I would kind of like to live in the isles of scilly... so long as i can have a drink and a smoke in peace... seems a nice place, if the locals are nice and i could have a lil house and grow some veggies etc, a nice climate.

I wonder why they don't have many people living there?