Is this the ultimate brainwasing trick or what?

[jesusistruth]

So I was thinking:

"Well I don't understand this sin thing enough. I don't see why we deserve Hell and it makes God look like a bad parent who beats his children.
But maybe if I pray to God that he will reveal to me how dreadful sin is, that I see the justice in his punishment, then I will believe and serve him with my whole heart."

Turns out you cannot do that.

If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does.

In order to get this revelation, I have to first assume it is true, and then trust, without any doubt, that it will be revealed to me later.

The set up of this passage is pure genius. "If any of you lack wisdom...", meaning if you don't have enough knowledge to put your trust in God, "must believe and not doubt" meanig I cannot expect any knowledge unless I already put my trust in God. And if I don't recieve anything it's because I doubted so again it's my fault and I have to correct (read brainwash) myself.

Brilliant.

[loveisthelaw]

The set up of this passage is pure genius. "If any of you lack wisdom...", meaning if you don't have enough knowledge to put your trust in God, "must believe and not doubt" meanig I cannot expect any knowledge unless I already put my trust in God. And if I don't recieve anything it's because I doubted so again it's my fault and I have to correct (read brainwash) myself.


You end in Hell only on account of the things you think, say, do and don't do. You are responsible for all your deeds and have to be held accountable. This is the basis for all Justice. As you sow, so ye shall reap.

[clachan]

So I was thinking:

"Well I don't understand this sin thing enough. I don't see why we deserve Hell and it makes God look like a bad parent who beats his children.
But maybe if I pray to God that he will reveal to me how dreadful sin is, that I see the justice in his punishment, then I will believe and serve him with my whole heart."

Turns out you cannot do that.



In order to get this revelation, I have to first assume it is true, and then trust, without any doubt, that it will be revealed to me later.

The set up of this passage is pure genius. "If any of you lack wisdom...", meaning if you don't have enough knowledge to put your trust in God, "must believe and not doubt" meanig I cannot expect any knowledge unless I already put my trust in God. And if I don't recieve anything it's because I doubted so again it's my fault and I have to correct (read brainwash) myself.

Brilliant.

Where,s the quote from ?

As far as Im concerned the Bible is a collection of books that can confuse and mislead.

Keep it simple,you dont have to be a Bible scholar to be a Christian.
Jesus himself puts it quite simply.....love eachother,its simple but not always easy.However,its the answer to all the problems we face today.

Im tired of people here trying prove this and argue about that,all people do here is attack eachother....why :confused:

My 6 year old son has more wisdom and love than all the posters on this sub forum put together X10.
A beautiful child full of love,he tells me he loves me all the time,he is not aware of God or religion.But this weekend I might ask him who God is,just out of curiosity,I expect to get a shrug of the shoulders:)
You dont have to be brainwashed Jesusistruth to see how simple it is.

Its so simple a child understands it,thats how it should be,not pages of Bible quotes followed by insults and threats of hell and lakes of fire.

[loveisthelaw]

A beautiful child full of love,he tells me he loves me all the time,he is not aware of God or religion. But this weekend I might ask him who God is, just out of curiosity, I expect to get a shrug of the shoulders:)


Wait til he is 16, he won't be full of love then ;)

Good luck with teaching him about God, it is a noble thing.

[clachan]

Wait til he is 16, he won't be full of love then ;)

Good luck with teaching him about God, it is a noble thing.

You can only do your best to ensure they are well balanced.
As far ae RE is cincerned i will go no further than passing on the message of Christ,that being to respect all life and love your fellow man.....

[loveisthelaw]

You can only do your best to ensure they are well balanced.
As far ae RE is cincerned i will go no further than passing on the message of Christ,that being to respect all life and love your fellow man.....

yes sir, balance is important for health.

It's not all he taught but it is certainly a great start, and they are wonderful things to implement :)

[jesusistruth]

You end in Hell only on account of the things you think, say, do and don't do. You are responsible for all your deeds and have to be held accountable. This is the basis for all Justice. As you sow, so ye shall reap.

That makes a good case for Karma, but I don't see how plucking wood on the sabbath or telling a lie is worthy of eternal hellfire.

Where,s the quote from ?

James 1.

[loveisthelaw]

That makes a good case for Karma, but I don't see how plucking wood on the sabbath or telling a lie is worthy of eternal hellfire.
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Karma works well :) the one that writes down everything so it is recorded and can not be argued against ensures no soul shall be wronged. True justice and fairness rules supreme.

Guidance is only that, it is only guidance of the best path. Everyone strays and everyone makes mistakes, it is in our nature. That is why we grow and learn :)

There is a lot of variation that will determine ones outcome according to my understanding of this subject.

The most important thing is what is in someone's heart, as well as the intention behind and the motivation for what ever they do, say, think, etc.

[tannah]

So I was thinking:

"Well I don't understand this sin thing enough. I don't see why we deserve Hell and it makes God look like a bad parent who beats his children.
But maybe if I pray to God that he will reveal to me how dreadful sin is, that I see the justice in his punishment, then I will believe and serve him with my whole heart."

Turns out you cannot do that.



In order to get this revelation, I have to first assume it is true, and then trust, without any doubt, that it will be revealed to me later.

The set up of this passage is pure genius. "If any of you lack wisdom...", meaning if you don't have enough knowledge to put your trust in God, "must believe and not doubt" meanig I cannot expect any knowledge unless I already put my trust in God. And if I don't recieve anything it's because I doubted so again it's my fault and I have to correct (read brainwash) myself.

Brilliant.

That is simply talking of ego, it's double mindednesss and doubt. There is a way to nurture and establish the love of God with all ones heart, ask God to teach you how to take on the ego. No games like "but I can't ask God with all my heart". That's the very reason one is asking for guidance. And what's the point in asking if one is still at the pleasure stage of their ego attachments?

I recognized that I didn't want the ego life, and prayed for inner guidance in order to begin observing the ways of attachment. We can become attached to anything, especially so called holy books. They can turn us into false authorities, a way to not undertake the journey toward the death of double-minded ego and the real rebirth. You'd know if it has finally happened because you would become transfigured.

Help tame the ego with Otherness. Observe the ego through simple observation of ones inner chatter. When one untangles themselves from the river of thoughts they will become less doubtful, and God's Love is really there in the stillness. Don't take up ego puffing kinds of meditation, with silly affirmations that just tangle you up in another way. lay on your bed or sit on a chair for fifteen minutes in the morning and evening and gently observe the thought stream. When thoughts take you away from the observer role gently get back to the centre and observe them again.
how can god help if one constantly run away into their thoughts, and lose awareness through the hipnotic power of these thoughts and suggestions (which others can also plant in you)?

But if you don't recognize a lack, I can't see how one would care to call on God for education! One is still relying on lower self, them.

[fist fury]

There are two types of religious people.

Those too dumb to perceive what religion really is, so they substitute thinking with "faith." And those smart enough to know religion is a lie and clever enough take advantage of the circumstances the dumb believers give them access to.

[tannah]

There are two types of religious people.

Those too dumb to perceive what religion really is, so they substitute thinking with "faith." And those smart enough to know religion is a lie and clever enough take advantage of the circumstances the dumb believers give them access to.

I don't see helping others and not being corrupted by the world (atttachment) as a lie. Doing one aids the other. Turns the me-me-me I need need need into "how can I serve you"

but yes worshipping gods as forms (something for someone to attach themselves to) and writing scripts in some god's name (script-ure) is just soap opera speil. It reinforces chatter chatter...ego loves it....makes it feel holy, "And Jesus said".:D

All you need is love

not

All you love is need

[elirien]

So I was thinking:

"Well I don't understand this sin thing enough. I don't see why we deserve Hell and it makes God look like a bad parent who beats his children.
But maybe if I pray to God that he will reveal to me how dreadful sin is, that I see the justice in his punishment, then I will believe and serve him with my whole heart."

Turns out you cannot do that.



In order to get this revelation, I have to first assume it is true, and then trust, without any doubt, that it will be revealed to me later.

The set up of this passage is pure genius. "If any of you lack wisdom...", meaning if you don't have enough knowledge to put your trust in God, "must believe and not doubt" meanig I cannot expect any knowledge unless I already put my trust in God. And if I don't recieve anything it's because I doubted so again it's my fault and I have to correct (read brainwash) myself.

Brilliant.

Yes wash that brain and look again :D No one can see with a smudged brain.

Walk into a wall, after that, when you think that you have done something wrong and that you are horrible and a "sinner" that thought will end in you walking in the wall again and repeat the whole process or walk into another. Just, as Adyashanti put it, "repent" which means to turn around. Not think about being horrible and thus manifesting horrible. If you don't have wisdom that that is a wall just have faith and walk through the door. Turn around. You will see justice on your sore head after you've "repented" which God forgives and heals and that is wisdom.

[jesusistruth]

Yes wash that brain and look again :D No one can see with a smudged brain.

Walk into a wall, after that, when you think that you have done something wrong and that you are horrible and a "sinner" that thought will end in you walking in the wall again and repeat the whole process or walk into another. Just, as Adyashanti put it, "repent" which means to turn around. Not think about being horrible and thus manifesting horrible. If you don't have wisdom that that is a wall just have faith and walk through the door. Turn around. You will see justice on your sore head after you've "repented" which God forgives and heals and that is wisdom.

Except the Bible speaks of eternal damnation in the lake of fire as being Justice.

[loveisthelaw]

Except the Bible speaks of eternal damnation in the lake of fire as being Justice.

Fire is used in alchemy, do you know for what purpose? :)

[jesusistruth]

Fire is used in alchemy, do you know for what purpose? :)

No. I don't think it matters, we've got all the prophets and born-agains telling how it is.

[loveisthelaw]

No. I don't think it matters, we've got all the prophets and born-agains telling how it is.

Hehe, OK :)

[remium]

No. I don't think it matters, we've got all the prophets and born-agains telling how it is.

Dont worry ... you can always stay on the carousel until realization :)