isn't this how ..- WE are creating our prison?

[king]

I might add this which may sound contrary to what I said but read carefully:
When masses are made to believe something negative, they may create what they did not want,
which is how for instance the "NWO" like you people name it, works.
You are believing it is taking shape, so it will take shape and theorists are major players in
helping this taking shape by bombarding you with "facts" that it is taking shape.
Claiming you are giving in power everyday, and they control you more...while in reality you are
in full control.
So the people who are "waking up" to it are the ones who are creating it.
Visualization also works that way around.


many times i wondered WHY we are given all of that "secret information" now, same exact information that was suppressed for centuries. and, I wondered why no one got whacked out for exposing the "secrets".

i mean, all of the conspiracy reserchers are still walking without a single hair missing?!
Alex Jones? David Icke? Jordan Maxwell? Michael Tsarion?
Why are they still alive if they are exposing such "grave secrets"?
How about those that are talking about SRA? Or "Illuminati slaves" like Arizona Wilder?
Why are they not whacked out? Why are we told about B.G. rituals by Alex Jones and no one is whacked out?

above quote was from "insider's" post and it made me realize that my suspicions about the matter in question must be right.
See, when you are really going against the system, exposing real secrets or trying to make a real change or organize resistance you do get whacked out, no matter if you are J.F.Kennedy or Bill Cooper you will get snuffed out.

I think that conspiracy reserchers are allowed to "expose" NWO! because by us believing in omnipotent NWO we are creating our own prison (hell) and we will materialize it for PTBs.

they spread the rumor/information and we believe it!
what sheep we are!

isn't this how we are creating what PTBs wants us to create -- NWO, and we are doing it by giving our minds and our energies to the idea that they are feeding us in first place?

very often i think that major "reserchers" are just playing their part in grand plan, kind of like actors in a movie.

more i think about it -- more i am positive that THIS IS HOW it has to be done!
we have to BELIEVE and then by that BELIEF we will create our own prison
that was drafted by PTBs!!!

could it be THAT simple?

IMO, that will be the only way to do it, because such small group of people (PTBs) cannot possibly do it by themselves, they need our buy-in and our energy will be used to create their dream!!! if we allow it, that is.


please read the "insider" thread

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10401

and download the pdf doc, then read it carefully.
do not think of him as the "elitist" but think of him someone who is trying to tech you something by pointing out what you already know but you are unwilling to see, for whatever reson.

NOTICE

you'll be glad you did!

[megafish33]

could it be THAT simple?


It could... but then there would be no group to bitch and complain about... ;)

[king]

It could... but then there would be no group to bitch and complain about... ;)

i do not see how that would fit?!
please elaborate

[megafish33]

i do not see how that would fit?!
please elaborate

No matter who exposes what, people with tendencies that the new world order moment capitalizes on, will still be prejudices towards one group or another, placing them at the top of the pyramid if you will, in their own minds. This is creates division on many levels.

David Icke, Alex Jones, or whomever can say one thing, and to the majority, who is still uneducated, will take that information and fit it into their own belief system, which comes with it's very own prejudice, racist, and hateful programming "right outta the box." This was once vital to our survival as a species, but isn't needed for a truly global society. If, however, you would like to develop your very own global society, where you set the rules, and humanity is in a transitional period, you can profit from humanities' shortfalls. These researches are very much "main stream" IMHO, even if say, Fox News, would question them. They're on "the street," and people, including famous celebrities, talk about them. Also, much of their "research" which "exposes" the elites is considered, in many circles, very inaccurate. So the question arises, why are they allowed to tell lies, just like Fox News?

If you are conditioned for a particular type of world order, the transition to it will be less bumpy, because you'll think you have an actual clue as to what is occurring. The NWO may very well be entirely different to the police state many claim it will be. Armed with this knowledge, people will protest against it, in the typical hippy fashion, and present their own ideas to their various governments democratically. These ideas though, may not necessarily be their own entirely. When the time comes, what they ask for will be what they've been conditioned to ask for, based on their knowledge, which by then will have included theories of conspiracy by various researchers.

[purple is a fruit]

many times i wondered WHY we are given all of that "secret information" now, same exact information that was suppressed for centuries. and, I wondered why no one got whacked out for exposing the "secrets".

i mean, all of the conspiracy reserchers are still walking without a single hair missing?!
Alex Jones? David Icke? Jordan Maxwell? Michael Tsarion?
Why are they still alive if they are exposing such "grave secrets"?
How about those that are talking about SRA? Or "Illuminati slaves" like Arizona Wilder?
Why are they not whacked out? Why are we told about B.G. rituals by Alex Jones and no one is whacked out?

above quote was from "insider's" post and it made me realize that my suspicions about the matter in question must be right.
See, when you are really going against the system, exposing real secrets or trying to make a real change or organize resistance you do get whacked out, no matter if you are J.F.Kennedy or Bill Cooper you will get snuffed out.

I think that conspiracy reserchers are allowed to "expose" NWO! because by us believing in omnipotent NWO we are creating our own prison (hell) and we will materialize it for PTBs.

they spread the rumor/information and we believe it!
what sheep we are!

isn't this how we are creating what PTBs wants us to create -- NWO, and we are doing it by giving our minds and our energies to the idea that they are feeding us in first place?

very often i think that major "reserchers" are just playing their part in grand plan, kind of like actors in a movie.

more i think about it -- more i am positive that THIS IS HOW it has to be done!
we have to BELIEVE and then by that BELIEF we will create our own prison
that was drafted by PTBs!!!

could it be THAT simple?

IMO, that will be the only way to do it, because such small group of people (PTBs) cannot possibly do it by themselves, they need our buy-in and our energy will be used to create their dream!!! if we allow it, that is.


please read the "insider" thread

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10401

and download the pdf doc, then read it carefully.
do not think of him as the "elitist" but think of him someone who is trying to tech you something by pointing out what you already know but you are unwilling to see, for whatever reson.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DUFJ9A3P

you'll be glad you did!

BINGO

Great post King......

I feel the trick is to understand what is going on, pull it apart and examine inwardly the part of us which has allowed this to happen, (not fun but necessary) and then make the choice.....Love or Fear.
By fixating on it all and becoming swamped under you are indeed playing into the hands of the very thing you do not wish to be a part of. i have spent years of my life being angry, resentful, and countless other things after 'waking up' so to speak. this was all necessary to reach the next point, which many are now beginning to understand

Many become so buried in what is going on that the natural urge is to fight it OUT There. Exposing it and FIGHTING it are two different things. After all how do we know what urgent necessary changes are needed within us all if we have no mirror reflecting it back at us?

The 'controlling' will continue and escalate for as long as each and every person refuses to inwardly address the 'controlling' part of them.

this goes for all we see 'out there' the pain, the hate, the murder, the torture and so on.

So yes I can agree with the point about these people exposing this stuff not being bopped off because they are necessary.... IMO if they wernt around all the very questions you have posed above would not have even been asked.

This I feel is the next step.....as david has mentioned in his recent newsletter

QUOTED

It is vital that we know how we are daily manipulated, but without the greater understanding of life itself and the reality we are experiencing it can merely become a quest to know more about your prison cell.

We surely need to change our experience by understanding how we create it and not just focus on our current experience and how bad it is. I am beginning to see what you might call the 'conspiracy research movement' going around and around in a circular motion and it needs to move on, too.

I hope this post makes sense, I have written it whilst a 3 year old is tugging on my foot:eek:

Love to all
Purple

[freedomnonfighter]

Yes, indeed, this is the Truth right here.

WE ARE DOING THIS. ALL OF US.

Of course we are!

The world is a reflection of ourselves as a whole.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "US & THEM"

I see a lot of people who know about all this, even Oneness...
...who are still stuck BLAMING "Them" for everything.

I see even more trying to "FIGHT" this NWO.

I wish they'd take a step back, and realize YOU BECOME WHAT YOU FIGHT.

Yes, EXPOSE what's been going on, and WHY...

...But do not FIGHT it, it cannot be fought.

If it is fought, it will only increase.

Yes 'They' are the ones physically doing it all (so we perceive),
but WE ALL are RESPONSIBLE for it.

Governments were created as a manifestation of people refusing to accept responsibility...
...we are witnessing and manifesting THE EXTREME of that.

We have continually and increasingly been doing this, and we haven't realized or faced that fact.

How could we finally see what we are doing? Well.. BY SEEING IT.

We refuse to accept responsibility for the world we have created,
a result of what we have allowed ourselves to become.

THEREFORE, we have to experience the finest and most extreme case of it,
to finally realize it and address it (it = ourselves).

We are being forced to reject this in the only way it can be cast aside.

And we are all doing our parts in this process of uncovering and awakening.

[oceanwave]

I feel the trick is to understand what is going on, pull it apart and examine inwardly the part of us which has allowed this to happen, (not fun but necessary) and then make the choice.....Love or Fear.


kinda reminds me of a quote by the late great bill hicks

It's just a ride, and we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money, a choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one

[freedomnonfighter]

And what's funny is.. I remember when I used to listen to Alex Jones all the time.. he would repeatedly state that 'they' act just like common criminals. He'd go into the psychology of criminals, and illustrate/highlight the fact that they usually have a subconscious desire to get caught, and act accordingly (knowingly or unknowingly).

Yes, 'they' want to get caught - don't we want to catch ourselves??? :)

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

:)

Just reading these posts seems to give me a feeling of more energy to continue.

[purple is a fruit]

Yes, indeed, this is the Truth right here.

WE ARE DOING THIS. ALL OF US.

Of course we are!

The world is a reflection of ourselves as a whole.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "US & THEM"

I see a lot of people who know about all this, even Oneness...
...who are still stuck BLAMING "Them" for everything.

I see even more trying to "FIGHT" this NWO.

I wish they'd take a step back, and realize YOU BECOME WHAT YOU FIGHT.

Yes, EXPOSE what's been going on, and WHY...

...But do not FIGHT it, it cannot be fought.

If it is fought, it will only increase.

Yes 'They' are the ones physically doing it all (so we perceive),
but WE ALL are RESPONSIBLE for it.

Governments were created as a manifestation of people refusing to accept responsibility...
...we are witnessing and manifesting THE EXTREME of that.

We have continually and increasingly been doing this, and we haven't realized or faced that fact.

How could we finally see what we are doing? Well.. BY SEEING IT.

We refuse to accept responsibility for the world we have created,
a result of what we have allowed ourselves to become.

THEREFORE, we have to experience the finest and most extreme case of it,
to finally realize it and address it (it = ourselves).

We are being forced to reject this in the only way it can be cast aside.

And we are all doing our parts in this process of uncovering and awakening.


BRILLIANT POST

What exactly is it one is fighting? This is the ultimate question huh....After all its us who created it so we are simply having a fight with ourselves.
Not overly productive. Time for every single person to take responsibility for what they have played a role in creating.....many will still remain in denial, It is not easy at first to see your own reflection in this way.

Love purps

[purple is a fruit]

:)

Just reading these posts seems to give me a feeling of more energy to continue.

;):D

[purple is a fruit]

kinda reminds me of a quote by the late great bill hicks

It's just a ride, and we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money, a choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one


One of the best quotes ever
Love ya Bill:p

[father_pyramid]

I don't agree with you at all king, but I think you have a decent argument, that we all think about sometimes.

Why are they not whacked out?

I don't understand how this is not understood. the 'nwo' isn't a bunch of men in black agents that secretly meet every night around a table to decide 'how to take over the world today'. Who to get rid of etc. We are the nwo. You, me, anyone making immoral selfish decisions, People like us who get into power and make bad decisions and are selfish. Eventually, the ppl with the most power, a bunch of competing corperate billionaire powerhouses, fuck the world up with negativity and direct it where it goes the most because of their influence. We could fall prey to the same mistakes at times. In this world it is difficult to be perfect. Thats why changing the world is just about every person trying to be a better person. You can believe whatever you want, if each person tries harder to be a 'good person' the world will change. There can be as many preachers and liars as you want, if no one's going to listen, there will be no war etc., and no one to push negative agendas, etc. There no specific belief system that can lead you to being a good person. It's something we all know how to do inside.

As for there being a higher alien intelligence or w/e guiding or controlling us - I think because of our limited perception of reality, we cannot understand these forces even if they are there. If it's some alien reptilian bloodlines that causes the dna of those bloodlines to be evil and control the world or w/e, it does not really matter because eventually, any 'evil' or reptilians are just us, as we are everything. Just a different representation of the whole. Everything is a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.

So anyway theres also no need to whack anyone out, because we do it ourselves with ridicule and disbelief - which is far more powerful than any gun - it would take many armies to amount to the power of ridule and disbelief. So it doesn't matter who speaks the truth, hardly anyone gonna listen anyway. And I'm sure there are many who have actually been whacked out as well, but it's not so easy to do to someone who's in the public eye. Icke, Tsarion, Jones, Maxwell, etc. are not masonic stooges. They are people who believe what they are talking about. Like any human they are prone to human error and make many mistakes, and cannot completely escape the ego so I'm sure they all have their own agenda's but I feel they are searching for answers just like any of us. It's not really 'secret knowledge', that's being exposed, it's just a different perspective, and asking not to ignore knowledge.

There's no safe belief system, because having any sort of belief system relies on faith. In fact, anything that cannot be proven with 100% certainly, requires faith.So eventually we're all going to choose to put our faith somewhere, for the sake of hope for better - whether it be for ourselves, for others, for everyone, or whatever. Sure Tsarion flip-flops - how can someone pretend to know for sure what it's all about. It's a puzzle with many peices that can be interpreted in many ways.

You say you think it's all allowed to be exposed, because it's making us create our own prison once we know about it. Except that we already are in a prison, and the only way to get out, is to find out where we are. If we're born into captivity, how can we ever become free if we never relize we're in prison.

You're theory about oneness/infinite consciousness being a masonic idea to program us for the microship is bullshit in my honest opinion as well. Infinite Consciousness has nothing to do with having our minds connected so we can read each others thoughts and all this physic power stuff. We already are one, and are connected, having a microchip would seperate us not free us. Our individual thoughts are our freedom, this is the beauty of the experience of life - freedom - and what ultimately I think is nearly as important as the most important "thing" - love. The Microchip = Security and Isolation. Where as 'Infinite Consciousness' = Freedom.
We are all one, but the creation of a phsyical life to live is meant for the purpose of experiencing freedom and love, being one forever would be lonely don't you think?

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

I think you need to re-read what was said.

[father_pyramid]

I think you need to re-read what was said.

it's not really a response just specifically to this thread. It's just a response in general to king, all he seems to do bash conspiracy research. I understand theres going to be disinformation out there, most of it is infact, but how about just present your information instead of just bashing others information.

"I think that conspiracy reserchers are allowed to "expose" NWO! because by us believing in omnipotent NWO we are creating our own prison (hell) and we will materialize it for PTBs.they spread the rumor/information and we believe it!
what sheep we are!"

is rubbish, i mean, It's already being exposed through news, and every other media, why get conspiracy researchers, people who hardly have any credibility to push it. The whole point is to question the rumor and information that is being spread. David Icke etc are just asking people to question things and not believe everything they are told - including by them. Information is just information and it's up to us to interpret it. Learning about 'occult' knowledge in no way materializes a prison because we know about it, because we've always known it and have just ignored it. Like I said in my previous post, you won't try to break free from prison if you do not know you are in one.

King's message to me is - 'if we don't find out we're in prison, we won't be in one and can be happy' - ie 'be a happy slave, doesn't question you're freedom, and everything will be ok' - sorry if i'm interpreting it wrong, i'm not claiming to know everything, these are just my observations and opinions.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

it's not really a response just specifically to this thread. It's just a responae in general to king, all he seems to do bash conspiracy research. I understand theres going to be disinformation out there, most of it is infact, but how about just present your information instead of just bashing others information.

No, he was not just simply "bashing conspiracy research". He was making the point that although they speak truth, there is disinfo in there. Even if the author doesn't realize it.

But you are right. Like religious people follow the bible, we too follow conspiracy research in the same manner.
Perhaps we should do our own "research" into it.

I'm making it a goal to find this "Insider", to find out who they were.
I have a strange feeling they are either Italian or Arabic.
Probably a mix of both, for all I know.
But my "gut" tells me one of these two.

[father_pyramid]

No, he was not just simply "bashing conspiracy research". He was making the point that although they speak truth, there is disinfo in there. Even if the author doesn't realize it.


Yes for sure. to know the 100% truth is to be able to percieve reality from the viewpoint of infinite consciousness. If that makes sense. Like, to me, we must understand that we are all connected as one infinite consciousness and know everything and are everything that exists in order truly unite and postively progress as a species - but yet we must understanding that as physical beings we cannot percieve infinite consciousness - so basically, to know that we are something we cannot percieve will help us to improve ourselves, because if we think this is who we are, these colors, these physical bodies, we get trapped in the matrix. Infinite consciousness = reality. Our perceived reality = illusion. Only illusions can be percieved, but reality cannot.

But at least these conspiracy researchers are brave enough to dive into the areas that need to be explorered and publicly associate themselves with such beliefs, whether or not they are right or wrong. Most people are scared into doing and saying nothing by the status quo.

[28th kingdom]

I've been wanting to post bout this very topic for a long time now... Alex Jones is helping manifest this so-called, "Prison Planet" more than any other single individual I know in the US.

I have a strong opinion about this... I'll be back later. Yes, it's all about beliefs...

[father_pyramid]

But you are right. Like religious people follow the bible, we too follow conspiracy research in the same manner.
Perhaps we should do our own "research" into it.


Anyone who is looking for answers is prone to believing answers from people offer them. Thats why people subscribe to religions.
The idea of conspiracy research is to do you're own research, so If people are just sheeping to any offered conspiracy ideas, well of course that's retarded.
The idea is to get people to do research, not to just parrot it. David Icke etc know they aren't right with every idea, they are just trying to get the ball rolling.
The greatest teachers are those who can teach you how to teach yourself, not teachers who teach you what know.
Thats why there is so much contraversy over conspiracy people trying to 'wake' others up. How it's done isnt the most effective from those like Alex Jones. But those who ask questions, for you to ask youself, so that you find that answer on your own, are the ones who are most effective.

[father_pyramid]

I've been wanting to post bout this very topic for a long time now... Alex Jones is helping manifest this so-called, "Prison Planet" more than any other single individual I know in the US.


Strongly disagree, although I don't think he is nearly the most effective or honest researcher in the field. Theres many pros and cons with Alex, but eventually I'd say his work is much more good than bad. Tonnes of disinformation as expected, but he's trying hard and doing a good job to simply get the ball rolling and the average person to relize there's something going on and to maybe think about things a little more.

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Yes for sure. to know the 100% truth is to be able to percieve reality from the viewpoint of infinite consciousness. If that makes sense. Like, to me, we must understand that we are all connected as one infinite consciousness and know everything and are everything that exists in order truly unite and postively progress as a species - but yet we must understanding that as physical beings we cannot percieve infinite consciousness - so basically, to know that we are something we cannot percieve will help us to improve ourselves, because if we think this is who we are, these colors, these physical bodies, we get trapped in the matrix. Infinite consciousness = reality. Our perceived reality = illusion. Only illusions can be percieved, but reality cannot.

But at least these conspiracy researchers are brave enough to dive into the areas that need to be explorered and publicly associate themselves with such beliefs, whether or not they are right or wrong. Most people are scared into doing and saying nothing by the status quo.

I fully comprehend what you are saying.
And I agree with some of it. Researchers do try their best, but there is no way of truely knowing if you are being given disinformation unless you search even deeper, and be ready to contratict your original beliefs.

But I also think we are using the wrong word to explain phsycial reality. "Illusion" just makes it seem pointless, when infact, we are here for a purpose. We must learn or do a specific thing while here. So this "illusion" does have a point. And if understand that it is only waves that create everything, than we can say "Ok, so why am I here."

That's one thing no researcher is telling us. And why?
Because we must find out for ourselves.

[thirdwave]

the thing is...

when somone comes to me and says that this person is disinfo and that person is disinfo.... and then they tell me why....

say "because they are fearnmongering" or "promoting new age" ...bla bla...

When that person does not fill me with fear...and I dont feel I am being erged to become a new ages person... what is one suposed to think??

in acusing these people of being fauls you are having to asume all think the same way as your self.... which is not a solid platform to base an asumption on IMO.


now most people who are still very brainwashed by the system, if listened to Tsarion would become an awful lot more enlightened than if they do not listen to him....

and there is no "right way" to spiritually educate people...there is no right way to warn people of the evil that is going on in the world... this is just views, everyone reacts diforent, its like trying to state a good song as a fact.....

for me subjects like this just show why they don't have to take people like Icke and Tasrion out.... they don't need to.... just as long as there is confusion among it, then it should stay under water... when the info is quite black and white.

if too many people really start understanding it, then there is a problem for them...

whats more important?.. that people are aware of the Bush administrations agenda? and there companions...or of an agenda that some think M Tsarion has?

IMO anyone who may be "sucked in by Tsarion and his agenda" would be better of staying in the matrix anyway and not bothering reading anything up... as i don't really see how they can understand more if they are not prepared to understand it all.

I dont think exposing Tsarion is going to save the word put it that way.

[thirdwave]

King

Another question

do you believe in the 2012 theory? ...do you think man kind is going through an awakening that will change the world?

[horus21]

many times i wondered WHY we are given all of that "secret information" now, same exact information that was suppressed for centuries. and, I wondered why no one got whacked out for exposing the "secrets".

i mean, all of the conspiracy reserchers are still walking without a single hair missing?!
Alex Jones? David Icke? Jordan Maxwell? Michael Tsarion?
Why are they still alive if they are exposing such "grave secrets"?
How about those that are talking about SRA? Or "Illuminati slaves" like Arizona Wilder?
Why are they not whacked out? Why are we told about B.G. rituals by Alex Jones and no one is whacked out?

above quote was from "insider's" post and it made me realize that my suspicions about the matter in question must be right.
See, when you are really going against the system, exposing real secrets or trying to make a real change or organize resistance you do get whacked out, no matter if you are J.F.Kennedy or Bill Cooper you will get snuffed out.

I think that conspiracy reserchers are allowed to "expose" NWO! because by us believing in omnipotent NWO we are creating our own prison (hell) and we will materialize it for PTBs.

they spread the rumor/information and we believe it!
what sheep we are!

isn't this how we are creating what PTBs wants us to create -- NWO, and we are doing it by giving our minds and our energies to the idea that they are feeding us in first place?

very often i think that major "reserchers" are just playing their part in grand plan, kind of like actors in a movie.

more i think about it -- more i am positive that THIS IS HOW it has to be done!
we have to BELIEVE and then by that BELIEF we will create our own prison
that was drafted by PTBs!!!

could it be THAT simple?

IMO, that will be the only way to do it, because such small group of people (PTBs) cannot possibly do it by themselves, they need our buy-in and our energy will be used to create their dream!!! if we allow it, that is.


please read the "insider" thread

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10401

and download the pdf doc, then read it carefully.
do not think of him as the "elitist" but think of him someone who is trying to tech you something by pointing out what you already know but you are unwilling to see, for whatever reson.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DUFJ9A3P

you'll be glad you did!

great. I will be reading every post from u from now on. I understand what your saying, your on the right track keep it up please

[phoebe]

Great thread
Absolutely spot on King.
I have been thinking this way for
Quite some time now.
The slave is released from bondage
Only to find a stronger set of chains.
That is... your own mind.
Fact is - everyone is already free.
But you are led to believe you are not.
Freedom is a state of mind
But you are led to believe it can be
Given or taken away.
The Kingdom of Heaven is within you
But you are led to believe it's a place on earth.
Conspiracy theory is the conspiracy
Why else would we be 'allowed' access to this
Damning information?

However...
It is a NECESSARY part of our awakening.
How can we awaken if the sleep we sleep is
Full of wonderful, happy dreams?
We'd rather stay asleep if that were the case...
The PTB are doing what they think is right
But on an evolutionary level they are
Actually doing more good than they think.
Or maybe they KNOW they're doing good.
That's also entirely possible.
A kind of 'extreme tough love.'
Well, whether they are doing it purposefully or not
They're methods are actually helping us to awaken.

[2013]

Yes spot on i have posted on this before , if thought creates reality then they give us what they want us to create .Considering there are far more of us then them then we do all the leg work or them, thats why they allow the info out .:D

[king]

No matter who exposes what, people with tendencies that the new world order moment capitalizes on, will still be prejudices towards one group or another, placing them at the top of the pyramid if you will, in their own minds. This is creates division on many levels.

David Icke, Alex Jones, or whomever can say one thing, and to the majority, who is still uneducated, will take that information and fit it into their own belief system, which comes with it's very own prejudice, racist, and hateful programming "right outta the box." This was once vital to our survival as a species, but isn't needed for a truly global society. If, however, you would like to develop your very own global society, where you set the rules, and humanity is in a transitional period, you can profit from humanities' shortfalls. These researches are very much "main stream" IMHO, even if say, Fox News, would question them. They're on "the street," and people, including famous celebrities, talk about them. Also, much of their "research" which "exposes" the elites is considered, in many circles, very inaccurate. So the question arises, why are they allowed to tell lies, just like Fox News?

If you are conditioned for a particular type of world order, the transition to it will be less bumpy, because you'll think you have an actual clue as to what is occurring. The NWO may very well be entirely different to the police state many claim it will be. Armed with this knowledge, people will protest against it, in the typical hippy fashion, and present their own ideas to their various governments democratically. These ideas though, may not necessarily be their own entirely. When the time comes, what they ask for will be what they've been conditioned to ask for, based on their knowledge, which by then will have included theories of conspiracy by various researchers.

i see what you mean and i agree with your observation.
very nice observations, BTW.


I will read the whole thread that has some very good posts and make some comments!

[megafish33]

i see what you mean and i agree with your observation.
very nice observations, BTW.


I will read the whole thread that has some very good posts and make some comments!

Thanks King,

Yup I spent time reading it all, good posts back and forth.

[lemonique]

Great thread!! and thanks for making me think King.

Alex Jones, Tsarion, Alan, Maxwell, DI. and all the others are doing a great job IMO. But lets not forget that they too rely on the monetary system that we have all had to adhere to for survival. They too need to eat and buy things, and they rely on the proceeds from the work they do, eg. writing books, radio hosting, the sale of their CD's and DVD's etc etc
Coming up with new and interesting topics that are relevant to their 'followers', that not only informs but also has an entertainment value would not be an easy thing at times, and I would imagine that it would be tempting to slip in a few clangers along the way, to 'beef out' their books and such.

They are just as much 'slaves' to the monetary system as we all are. Until we have a new system of energy exchange we must make allowances (without being condescending) for the disinfo and what-have-you. So long as we have our bullshit detectors on full, carry on regardless.

I'm personally grateful to these teachers to have made me sit up and think! I appreciate their input to inform us of the system we live under......and IMO not much will change until we have a new system.

Maintaining a personal 'detachment' can be helpful when learning about all these things, and as others have said, the answer lies withing ourselves to making big changes, we can't be forever passing the blame to the PTB. It wasn't all that long ago that we were happy chappies with the system and poddled along......

Just a few thoughts on a very early Friday morning :D

Cheers
Lem.

[joss classey]

nothing really matters

it's what you take from it really

[thirdwave]

nothing really matters

it's what you take from it really

here here...

[kblood]

Nice post King :)

As someone else already wrote, I do not believe in oneness to be a masonic idea either, although that is a bit off-topic. Oneness is just a nice way of describing it. There is a state of mind where everything feels connected, that you yourself feel connected to everything. I guess I have tried it 10 times at most in my life time, so it is not just something that happens every day... unless you are on drugs I guess. That might make it happen more often.

So, for the current topic:
It is true that conspiracy researcers makes it more real just by telling about it. It also depends on how it is understood by those who read it, as I see it. I do not feel any more imprisoned by it. I have felt freedom, and I like this "prison". It seems to me that we are not really locked in and barred off from reality, we can experience freedom whenever we want to.

I see it like this: That David Icke and other conspiracy researchers makes us aware that there is more to the world than we are let on. That some things are kept secret, because it suits the intentions and goals of others. Most people probably do it because it seems the right thing to do.

Anyone seen Secret Space? What would happen if it became official that there are maybe hundreds of UFOs flying around in our atmosphere? Seems there is alot of evidence to it. What kind of longterm affect have they then had on us and our history? That is the kind of questions conspiracy researchers try to answer. I try to be skeptic about all sources of information there is, but it seems like an interesting hobby to research conspiracy theories, even though I do not fear them, or actually feel like doing something about it. The best thing to do is living free as I see it.

[purple is a fruit]

Great thread
Absolutely spot on King.
I have been thinking this way for
Quite some time now.
The slave is released from bondage
Only to find a stronger set of chains.
That is... your own mind.
Fact is - everyone is already free.
But you are led to believe you are not.
Freedom is a state of mind
But you are led to believe it can be
Given or taken away.
The Kingdom of Heaven is within you
But you are led to believe it's a place on earth.
Conspiracy theory is the conspiracy
Why else would we be 'allowed' access to this
Damning information?

However...
It is a NECESSARY part of our awakening.
How can we awaken if the sleep we sleep is
Full of wonderful, happy dreams?
We'd rather stay asleep if that were the case...
The PTB are doing what they think is right
But on an evolutionary level they are
Actually doing more good than they think.
Or maybe they KNOW they're doing good.
That's also entirely possible.
A kind of 'extreme tough love.'
Well, whether they are doing it purposefully or not
They're methods are actually helping us to awaken.


Great Post Phoebe...Awesome:)

[phoebe]

Great Post Phoebe...Awesome:)

*smiles back at purple*

[amercury]

king, your post is wise

True freedom is the conquest of self; our reality is only as limited as our consciousness.

[oceanwave]

Great thread
Absolutely spot on King.
I have been thinking this way for
Quite some time now.
The slave is released from bondage
Only to find a stronger set of chains.
That is... your own mind.
Fact is - everyone is already free.
But you are led to believe you are not.
Freedom is a state of mind
But you are led to believe it can be
Given or taken away.
The Kingdom of Heaven is within you
But you are led to believe it's a place on earth.
Conspiracy theory is the conspiracy
Why else would we be 'allowed' access to this
Damning information?

However...
It is a NECESSARY part of our awakening.
How can we awaken if the sleep we sleep is
Full of wonderful, happy dreams?
We'd rather stay asleep if that were the case...
The PTB are doing what they think is right
But on an evolutionary level they are
Actually doing more good than they think.
Or maybe they KNOW they're doing good.
That's also entirely possible.
A kind of 'extreme tough love.'
Well, whether they are doing it purposefully or not
They're methods are actually helping us to awaken.

i'd also like to add...

'freedom', as it were, is also...

...a state of 'being'...

btw good post

:)

[thirdwave]

Great thread
Absolutely spot on King.
I have been thinking this way for
Quite some time now.
The slave is released from bondage
Only to find a stronger set of chains.
That is... your own mind.
Fact is - everyone is already free.
But you are led to believe you are not.
Freedom is a state of mind
But you are led to believe it can be
Given or taken away.
The Kingdom of Heaven is within you
But you are led to believe it's a place on earth.
Conspiracy theory is the conspiracy
Why else would we be 'allowed' access to this
Damning information?

However...
It is a NECESSARY part of our awakening.
How can we awaken if the sleep we sleep is
Full of wonderful, happy dreams?
We'd rather stay asleep if that were the case...
The PTB are doing what they think is right
But on an evolutionary level they are
Actually doing more good than they think.
Or maybe they KNOW they're doing good.
That's also entirely possible.
A kind of 'extreme tough love.'
Well, whether they are doing it purposefully or not
They're methods are actually helping us to awaken.


I agree with some of what you say and the Dark has to be there to see the light and visa versa.... if people were happy every second they would soon do something to upset them selfs so they can get happy again.

Conspiracy theory is the conspiracy
Why else would we be 'allowed' access to this
Damning information?
I dont agree, I have never agreed with this outlook, because to me it promotes ignorence, and if you ignore somthing they you are basxcily detatching your self from having an effect on it... when you must have created it or you would not be presented with the chance to pay no attention to it.

We have the power to create and effect, there is no power in ignorance, even if it feels good sometimes.

I don't think that the conspiracy theory is the conspiracy, its just truth, or an attempt to get as close to it.... we should never forget that this info is like magic in helping change the direction of a NWO.... if it makes people afraid ...ahh well, move on let them deal with them selfs, you can but try. Like you say, in time the shit will wake people up anyway, so why does that count out info exposing the nightmare?... as long as you take on board the info on how we are creating it and how we can end it then it is not the conspiracy but the antidote...or at least the prescription..... but it will also wake lots of people up and I cant see how thats anything to do with the conspiracy.

its not the fact that people are no longer able to create reality anymore...its the fact they no longer know what they are creating and that they actually can. Now you teach this to people with out bringing up the subject of war and poverty!..good luck!

[Anders Lindman]

i mean, all of the conspiracy reserchers are still walking without a single hair missing?!
Alex Jones? David Icke? Jordan Maxwell? Michael Tsarion?
Why are they still alive if they are exposing such "grave secrets"?
How about those that are talking about SRA? Or "Illuminati slaves" like Arizona Wilder?
Why are they not whacked out? Why are we told about B.G. rituals by Alex Jones and no one is whacked out?


One reason is probably that the elite have to allow some old secrets to be revealed. If the difference between the open society and the secret organizations becomes too big, then that will create an unbearable burden for the administration of the secrets in a civilization that moves further and further into globalization and into the information age. Therefore, allowing some secrets to be revealed and researched will be beneficial for the elite.

However, being the capstone of a very old and strictly hierarchical pyramid, the elite still need to keep the most crucial secrets hidden from the cannonfodder, because that is key for maintaining their power. :mad: :D

[thirdwave]

Of course you cant just whack out anyone that pops up with info....

the fact is its not that easy... for a start if anyone that speaks about it end up being killed or dieing then they only expose them selfs more...

as King is showing... that is the evidence he thinks people should see...if they are whacked then they must have been telling the truth.... so they don't whack people and people don't trust them after that???? :confused:

people like Tsarion..so on are not a big enough name to threaten them.... and if they took someone like David Icke out can you imagine the fuss it would create... his books would start to sell like crazy!!

the only reason they whack people is when they have a direct threat to their plans .... other than that they can quite easily take care of people through the mainstream media...

and I agree with AL in that some of the info they don't mind it coming out.... the NWO is not about them hiding and ruling us... its about humanity defeated and on its knees, while they can openly rule and run the world as they see fit.... so lots of info is released in pigeon steps... this does not mean people who let the info out are working for them!, its the people who are doing stuff to make us numb to it, they are the ones working for them!...

so, we don't let the truth out encase people except it???!!! crazyness! ..Hell no, the truth must come out ..as much of it as we can!!! infact thats pretty much the excuse the "illumianti "would use if they were ever in question!

Its about how people react to the truth! and that is up to us!, not some "disinfo agent"

[Anders Lindman]

the only reason they whack people is when they have a direct threat to their plans .... other than that they can quite easily take care of people through the mainstream media...


Yes, exactly. People like Abe Lincoln and JFK for example must have been such direct threats to the elite. Interesting that you mention the power of the media. Remember, JFK directed his cryptic 'secret society' speech directly to the media. Was he trying to break through the elite's protective media wall?

[irak]

William (Bill) Cooper was a former naval officer, decorated veteran, short wave radio broadcaster and world renounced lecturer and author, he was shot and killed November 5th 2001 under suspicious circumstances. he predicted the 9/11 and named bin laden as a scapegoat; posed a direct threat to the agenda!

He would mobilize the public, thus they killed him, dozen policeman attacked him in the middle of the night on his property.. so you see they do whack some of the people if they can't be ridiculed.. Behind the pale horse is his book - highly recomended read.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10090&page=3