Will Disclosure Mean the End of Religion?

[jamesc]

Will Disclosure Mean the End of Religion?
19-Feb-2010


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UPDATE: More disclosure from the UK! -

It's an ongoing controversy: Could the world's religions survive the discovery of extraterres trial life? The Vatican is actively concerned about this: Aside from having their own array of telescopes in Arizona that are constantly searching the skies, they recently held a conference in Rome on UFOs. A lot of this revolves around a central question: Is there life after death? A doctor who treats cancer patients says that according to the scientific evidence, the answer is "yes."

A recent survey of religious leaders in the UK and US found that few of them are concerned. None of the 70 Buddhists questioned thought that the discovery of ET would undercut their belief systems, although 40% thought it could pose problems for other religions.

Maybe they're right: Many Catholics said that disclosure would cause them problems. But just like the Buddhists, many of them (in this case 30%) thought it would cause problems for OTHER religions. This held true for other Christian sects as well, and there wasn't enough data on Hindus and Muslims. Astrobiologist Paul Davies was one of the first people to suggest that the world's religions might not be able to cope with the discovery of aliens. In New Scientist, Jessica Griggs quotes him as saying, "They believe that Jesus came down to earth to save humankind, not dolphins, Neanderthals or extraterrestrials. To make sense of this, either you need multiple incarnations [of Jesus on other planets] or a reason why this planet and this species was singled out for special attention.":D

In contrast to this, Griggs quotes a fundamentalist Christian's reply to the survey: "There is nothing in Christianity that excludes other intelligent life.":eek:

Dr. Jeffrey Long is one scientist who isn't concerned: His experience treating cancer patients has led him to the conclusion that there is definitely life after death. He bases his opinion on the near-death experience (NDE). In Time Magazine, Laura Fitzpatrick quotes him as saying, "There have been over 20 alternative, skeptical 'explanations' for near-death experience. The reason is very clear: no one or several skeptical explanations make sense, even to the skeptics themselves. Or [else] there wouldn't be so many.

"Literally hundreds of scholarly articles have been written over the last 35 years about near-death experience. In addition to that, the media continues to present [evidence of] near-death experience.

"What happens after permanent death, after we're no longer able to interview people, is an absolute. To that extent, the work I do may always require some element of faith. But by the time you look at [the] evidence, the amount of faith you need to have [to believe in] life after death is substantially reduced.":cool: http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=8167


I see big problems for ALL major religions, for do they not all portray GOD as a male dominant figure, "God made man in HIS image".;):rolleyes:

[romas]

In my opinion majority of large fundamentalist religions would see large slump in their congregation and then gradually just die off with the last, the most stoic idiots(from old age), who would view this new discovery as an actual confirmation of their beliefs in a form of negative agency, like demons and such.

It's possible that new religions would arise, for those who still seek to worship, the new gods would be perfect subject. Also I can see sort of study groups would be popular, for people who are curious(but not irrational) about otherworldly culture, perhaps a process of their cultural adoption as they probably be seen as superior culture(since they obviously survived what we call certain crucial points in their development and haven't annihilated themselves in the process).

[jamesc]

In my opinion majority of large fundamentalist religions would see large slump in their congregation and then gradually just die off with the last, the most stoic idiots(from old age), who would view this new discovery as an actual confirmation of their beliefs in a form of negative agency, like demons and such.

It's possible that new religions would arise, for those who still seek to worship, the new gods would be perfect subject. Also I can see sort of study groups would be popular, for people who are curious(but not irrational) about otherworldly culture, perhaps a process of their cultural adoption as they probably be seen as superior culture(since they obviously survived what we call certain crucial points in their development and haven't annihilated themselves in the process).



Good points raised , the perceptions of the main stream religions are in my view crucial here.As we know its the perceptions that heavily influence any finale belief systems , we could see a significant change and shift in the public's perceptions of either their own personal religious beliefs or on religion in general.If this every came about then this could blow the whole religious game out of the water and awake people from the centuries old manipulated prison cell.:cool:

[sexi_co]

I suspect the Vatican have a plan already in place as the pope has said in a speech a year or so ago, something about our brothers from the stars!!
I really wish I could find the speech and post it up, but I can't. I remember at the time there was a big fuss made on the radio about this speech for the very reason we're discussing.

Do you remember hearing about it? Obama did the same thing too, refering to our brothers from the stars.

[jamesc]

I suspect the Vatican have a plan already in place as the pope has said in a speech a year or so ago, something about our brothers from the stars!!
I really wish I could find the speech and post it up, but I can't. I remember at the time there was a big fuss made on the radio about this speech for the very reason we're discussing.

Do you remember hearing about it? Obama did the same thing too, refering to our brothers from the stars.

Yes i remember the Vatican saying something alone these lines , they are in fact trying to stay ahead of any official disclosure, the term they used, our brothers from the stars"!!, confirms this reality to me any way.I will look for that Vatican statement and post any information i can dig out.:)

[jamesc]

I suspect the Vatican have a plan already in place as the pope has said in a speech a year or so ago, something about our brothers from the stars!!
I really wish I could find the speech and post it up, but I can't. I remember at the time there was a big fuss made on the radio about this speech for the very reason we're discussing.

Do you remember hearing about it? Obama did the same thing too, refering to our brothers from the stars.



"Though it may seem an unlikely location to happen upon a conference on astrobiology, the Vatican recently held a "study week" of over 30 astronomers, biologists, geologists and religious leaders to discuss the question of the existence of extraterrestrials. "

"This follows the statement made last year by the Pope's chief astronomer, Father Gabriel Funes,, http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/14/vatican-astronomer-says-its-ok-to-believe-in-et/ that the existence of extraterrestrials does not preclude a belief in God, and that it's a question to be explored by the Catholic Church. The event, put on by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, took place at the Casina Pio IV on the Vatican grounds from November 6-11."


"The conference was meant to focus on the scientific perspective on the subject of the existence of extraterrestrial life, and pulled in perspectives from atheist scientists and Catholic leaders alike. It was split into eight different segments, starting with a topics about life here on Earth such as the origins of life, the Earth's habitability through time, and the environment and genomes.

Then the detection of life elsewhere, search strategies for extrasolar planets, the formation and properties of extrasolar planets was discussed, culminating in the last segment, intelligence elsewhere and 'shadow life' – life with a biochemistry completely different than that found on Earth.


Speakers at the event included notable physicist Paul Davies and Jill C. Tarter, the Director of the Center for SETI Research. Numerous astrobiologists and astronomers researching extrasolar planets also were in attendance to give lectures. The whole series of speech abstracts and a list of participants is available in a brochure on the Vatican site, here. http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_academies/acdscien/documents/rc_pa_acdscien_doc_20020103_index_general_en.html


The event was held to mark the International Year of Astronomy, and the participants hope to collect the lectures into a book. Father Gabriel Funes, the chief astronomer of the Vatican, said in an interview to the Vatican paper, Osservatore Romano last year:


"Just like there is an abundance of creatures on earth, there could also be other beings, even intelligent ones, that were created by God. That doesn't contradict our faith, because we cannot put boundaries to God's creative freedom. As saint Francis would say, when we consider the earthly creatures to be our "brothers and sisters", why couldn't we also talk about a "extraterrestrial brother"? He would still be part of creation."


Even with the discovery of over 400 exoplanets, the question of extraterrestrial life still remains to be answered in our own Solar System. It is a pertinent question for the religious and non-religious alike. Though it wasn't answered at this most recent conference, the existence of life outside what we know here on Earth has an equal impact on the findings of science as it does the meaning of religion. This event certainly brought the two under the same roof for what were surely some interesting and fruitful conversations.
Source: Physorg, Pontifical Academy of Sciences."

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Ah, here is some information on the Vatican's responses to the question of of the existence of extraterrestrials.The below two statements seem to indicate that they are worried and are attempting to play this down.Hope you find this is what you where looking for.:)

"This follows the statement made last year by the Pope's chief astronomer, Father Gabriel Funes, that the existence of extraterrestrials does not preclude a belief in God, and that it's a question to be explored by the Catholic Church."


As saint Francis would say, when we consider the earthly creatures to be our "brothers and sisters", why couldn't we also talk about a "extraterrestrial brother"? He would still be part of creation.":cool:


link, http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/10/vatican-holds-conference-on-extraterrestrial-life/

[romas]

Vatican is a very well organised religion, it only makes sense they "just in case" prepared for an unlikely event of finding non human civilization, somehow...

[jamesc]

Vatican is a very well organised religion, it only makes sense they "just in case" prepared for an unlikely event of finding non human civilization, somehow...

Well makes sense in the scenario of them preparing a official announcement them that their belief systems will be unaffected.Their "man was made in the image of God" perceptions that they have spoon fed and cunningly manipulated into the public's perceptions would be debunked right away.If as they claim their bible is the WORD OF GOD then why is there no references to extraterrestrial brother's or even SISTERS in the same references or terms that the normal person could understand.:confused:

Their conference and the statements that emanated from it seems to suggest to me that its more than a " just in case" prepared for an unlikely event of finding non human civilization, somehow..."[/QUOTE], they are emanating that they feel its just a matter of time that this" unlikely event of finding non human civilizations is probably more likely than unlikely.;)


"And Peter did say, "what of our brother and sisters from beyond the stars master,can we abide in their reverence and fear not the ridicule that becomes inflicted on ones self for the utterance of their reverence to your flock and Rome herself.";):rolleyes::rolleyes::cool:

[romas]

Yes I get that feeling to, that they have seen some more than weird shit in the sky, with all those fancy telescopes they've stationed in various exotic places.

In many ways, Vatican is the reason where we are now, it's hard to say if we would have been better without this institution shaping and carving Europe or not, but I think their time is over, they are irrelevant.

[sexi_co]

Vatican is a very well organised religion, it only makes sense they "just in case" prepared for an unlikely event of finding non human civilization, somehow...

They know there are other world civilizations. I read somewhere that all information and pictures obtained by all observatories around the world go thru the Vatican first.
Can't remember where I read that though?! Have you heard this also?

James : Thanks for those posts. Did you stumble across the Obama speech where he reffers to our brothers from the stars?

[mrindigo]

Interesting thread. Sadly I think there would be a lot of confused people if public contact happened any time soon. I think there would be a mix of reactions. There would be folks like us who would say, "Yeah, E.T's cool, it's about time they worked up the nerve. It's long over due."
Some would probably ditch their belief systems and have their perception of reality blown apart. There might be a few suicides as a result, but for the most part I see it as a largely positive thing.
Others would see it as the rapture and flock to their religious leaders for guidance and prayer.

I don't see religion dying, but I do see it losing a lot of it's sway and hold on the populations. There will always be vulnerable people afraid to die, outcasts, and the mentally weak they can recruit.

I agree with the statements about the Vatican and the pope's statements and activities. They're trying to cover their asses in the event it does happen. They're a clever bunch, but are they clever enough to make this really work?

[kasalt]

Seen this?

Vatican Official Declares ET Contact is Real (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12444)

[leviathanstaar]

I can just picture an ancient advanced alien civ discussing how to go about the problem that each faction of the humans is trying to tell them what god and the nature of reality is.

It would be like your cat demanding you understand his views are the know all of the universe.

[jamesc]

Seen this?

Vatican Official Declares ET Contact is Real (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12444)

Yes i have read this article and i found the below comments from Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a demonology consultant to the Vatican rather trying to keep the "Christ" perceptions alive.Seems that these kind of religious academics are being more open but with the price of trying to integrate their religious beliefs into the ET debate.:cool:




Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a demonology consultant to the Vatican and insider close to the Pope, has stated publicly that Extraterrestrials(ETs) are real.

Woodland Hills, CA -- (SBWIRE) -- 10/22/2007 -- Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a demonology consultant to the Vatican and insider close to the Pope, has stated publicly that Extraterrestrials(ETs) are real.

"The existence of other inhabited planets is highly probable. Their existence might very well be correlated with the Salvation through Christ,;)" stated Balducci. Dr. Bruce Goldberg, author of Egypt: An Extraterrestrial and Time Traveler Experiment, reports that time travelers from our future utilize ETs as part of their team when traveleing back in time to ancient Egypt, for example.

[jamesc]

I can just picture an ancient advanced alien civ discussing how to go about the problem that each faction of the humans is trying to tell them what god and the nature of reality is.

It would be like your cat demanding you understand his views are the know all of the universe.

Agreed, advanced intelligences would know so much more.:cool:

[romas]

I can just picture an ancient advanced alien civ discussing how to go about the problem that each faction of the humans is trying to tell them what god and the nature of reality is.

It would be like your cat demanding you understand his views are the know all of the universe.



And that's why there is no contact, do you "contact" a pack of wolves? A group of chimpanzees? No.

What would be the point of contact if they want nothing from us? If they want to teach us, then we are assimilated, you have to teach us, to look after us that we don't fuck it all up again, etc etc.

And then there is the dark side, now what if they NEED something from us and why even bother trading if you can just "take" it? Ooh a genetic sample, just sedate one animal and tag him, I mean if you're a sensible and caring, you'll just take small bit and leave the individual unharmed, maybe even erase all his terrible memories so he can get on with his primitive life.

How many times have you heard the abductees couldn't live the same after the event? Makes whole lot of sense to me.

[jamesc]

And that's why there is no contact, do you "contact" a pack of wolves? A group of chimpanzees? No.

What would be the point of contact if they want nothing from us? If they want to teach us, then we are assimilated, you have to teach us, to look after us that we don't fuck it all up again, etc etc.

And then there is the dark side, now what if they NEED something from us and why even bother trading if you can just "take" it? Ooh a genetic sample, just sedate one animal and tag him, I mean if you're a sensible and caring, you'll just take small bit and leave the individual unharmed, maybe even erase all his terrible memories so he can get on with his primitive life.

How many times have you heard the abductees couldn't live the same after the event? Makes whole lot of sense to me.



You have to remember here that NOT ALL off earth intelligences are the same or even share the same agendas.I think it is rather dangerous to simply generalise one or more intelligences who maybe have not our real interests at heart by the genetic sampling you highlighted and label ALL other intelligences as the same as the genetic sample collecting intelligences. There have been thousands of abduction reports from people all over the world and while there are the abusive sampling abductions there have also been benevolent encounters too.

Yes contact from very higher intelligences would like be trying to explain quantum physics to a monkey but then again it depends on the agendas of these intelligences and their motives to engage in any contacts that involve communication on the terms that its not information over load and requires simplification on the information being given. Why would advanced intelligences NOT have the intelligence or understanding to contact lower intelligences in a way that young children are taught at primary school, seems very possible to me.:cool:

[romas]

Well I thought Billy Meyer aliens oversiplified pretty much everything, was an overall good message sent to bunch of retards, just an example.

[jamesc]

Well I thought Billy Meyer aliens oversiplified pretty much everything, was an overall good message sent to bunch of retards, just an example.

The below quote is significant in the formal approaches some of these intelligences can take.The following short summary taken from the late Dr John Mack from his book "Passport to the Cosmos" is his professional belief after his study of a wide range of people who although different in their mental but healthy intelligence managed to come to some understanding of their contacts and abductions.:cool:



Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.

“My own present opinion, based on two years of careful study, is that UFOs are probably extraterrestrial devices engaged in something that might very tentatively be termed ‘surveillance’.”;)


The late Dr John Mack"s short summary from his book;

“The alien encounter experience seems almost like an outreach program from the cosmos to the consciously IMPAIRED.”


What if the alien encounter phenomenon were subtle in the sense that it may manifest in the physical world but derives from a source which by its very nature could not provide the kind of hard evidence that would satisfy skeptics for whom reality is limited to the material? What if we were to acknowledge that the phenomenon is beyond our present framework of knowledge?

Might not such an attitude of humility become, paradoxically, a way to enlarge upon what could then be learned? Is it possible that adopting an open attitude toward the testimony of witnesses could enable us to learn of unseen realities now obscured by our too limited epistemology, allowing us to rediscover the sacred and the divinity in nature and in ourselves?:)

I think of these experiences as a crossing over between the material world and what in Eastern philosophy is called the subtle realm. Like a reified “mystic's journey,” experiencers describe being brought into another dimension of reality from which a new perspective on life on Earth is possible. Sensitivity to our dysfunctional ecological and social conditions emerges as many come to feel that every living system is connected to what many call “Source,” or “Home.” An awareness of this relationship must be regained, they say, if we are to create a sustainable, peaceful world.

Having listened to the similar testimony of more than 200 experiencers from the West and from indigenous cultures, I have come to feel that the phenomenon is of great importance to our evolution, regardless of its ontological status.

- JOHN E. MACK, M.D.

[h2pogo]

Will Disclosure Mean the End of Religion?
19-Feb-2010


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I see big problems for ALL major religions, for do they not all portray GOD as a male dominant figure, "God made man in HIS image".;):rolleyes:

disclosure could mean a better understanding of religion..
most religions portray the god of creation as an energy described as consciousness..
so good for good religions and bad for bad ones..may be

[jamesc]

disclosure could mean a better understanding of religion..
most religions portray the god of creation as an energy described as consciousness..
so good for good religions and bad for bad ones..may be

Well good point but i personally think SOME of these intelligences are hinting or rather trying to encourage "free will" based on certain realities or cosmic laws.To truly understand first you have to "know thy self" and knowing they self is never encouraged by most religions, they say "know they self by what we tell you and if you do not confirm then hell awaits you":rolleyes::confused:

[h2pogo]

Well good point but i personally think SOME of these intelligences are hinting or rather trying to encourage "free will" based on certain realities or cosmic laws.To truly understand first you have to "know thy self" and knowing they self is never encouraged by most religions, they say "know they self by what we tell you and if you do not confirm then hell awaits you":rolleyes::confused:

I think most religious laws are based on the same cosmic laws like the law of Carma for example.
Buddhists, Sikhs,Hindus,harry Krishnahs, Muslims and even Mormons i have spoken to are open to the existence of intelligent alien life forms.
disclosure would be the best thing that ever happened to religion...
not sure what would happen to Judaism and Christianity though...

[mrindigo]

Agreed, advanced intelligences would know so much more.:cool:

True, but would they be willing to share that information freely?

[jamesc]

True, but would they be willing to share that information freely?

Good point again.It depends on the agenda of the intelligence, if their agenda is one that is based on pointing out certain flaws in our current perceptions of reality or matrix and their intentions are one of assisting , then i see no reason why they would not.True that there is the theory that civilisations on different planets have to evolve on their own evolutionary paths and are NOT to be assisted in the way they that they would have in all handed to them on a plate. Assistance through pointers or clues could be a way, some crop formations could be an attempt or experiment along these lines, time will tell as always though.:cool:

[iwkya]

if aliens came down and said hello, religion would still be here as most religions embrace extra terrestrial life. In fact it would make many mainstream religions stronger.

[jamesc]

My main thought on this is that the ET intelligences that are far advanced than us on say technology and spiritually would have to be listened to if they choose to communicate on our religious mind sets.Some contacts have referred to certain communications where these intelligences have stated that ALL religions on earth are incorrect or wrong on many points.

So we have advanced ET intelligences saying that no regions on earth are whole or complete in their perceptions of oneness and on the other hand we have SELF appointed religious leaders who judge and condemn all if they do not conform to THEIR perceptions of oneness through dogmatic fairy tailed fabrications based on manipulation of moral perceptions.Who would i listen to with great interest, well it aint the dogmatic fairy tale manipulators that's for sure, each to their own i suppose.:cool:


Christianity = MAN IS MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD=FABRICATIONS BASED ON MANIPULATED IGNORANCE OF THE MASSES.What would the reactions be if a ET raced claimed that they are made in the image of GOD.:D

Islam=MAN IS MADE IN THE IMAGE OF..........:rolleyes:, anyone see a pattern here, different forms of manipulated MIND control through different man made creations of perception and thought control.:cool:

Icke has so brilliantly cover this aspect of manipulated perception control, now if we had a very different take on perceptions of , for want of a better word,"GOD" or oneness that emanate from advanced ET intelligences would it not be folly to dismiss or reject what they could bring,(if they ever do or would),to all our understanding of religious perceptions of oneness, i think they could offer a very good insight and i for one can see it would expose all religions as mere speculations based on manipulative slavery.:cool:

[jamesc]

Ancient astronauts

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/Ancientastronauts.jpg

Paintings from Val Camonica, Italy, c.10,000 BC, have been claimed to depict extraterrestrial visitors. It has also been posited that they show gods or other mythological persons from religions of that time.


The Dogū (土偶) has been speculated to be an Ancient astronaut that visited earth during the Jōmon period of Ancient Japan; it shows features claimed to resemble a space suit, goggles and a space helmet.

According to ancient astronaut theories, intelligent extraterrestrial beings (called ancient astronauts or ancient aliens) have visited Earth and this contact is connected with the origins or development of human cultures, technologies, and/or religions.;)

Some of these theories propose that deities from most—if not all—religions are actually extraterrestrials, and their technologies were taken as evidence of their divine status.[1][2]

These theories have been popularized, particularly in the latter half of the 20th century, by writers Erich von Däniken, Zecharia Sitchin, Robert K.G. Temple, and David Icke.[3]

Ancient astronaut theories have been widely used in science fiction. Such theories have not received support within the scientific community, and have received little or no attention in peer-reviewed studies from scientific journals.:D




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Sarcophagus lid of Pakal the great, which according to Von Däniken represents an "ancient astronaut" ascending to the stars in his spaceship.



Intelligent extraterrestrials visited the Earth in ancient times and profoundly affected the development of human civilization and RELIGION.The true meaning of the ET effecting religion was cast out and manipulated by man, this gave birth to the main stream religions we see to day. Would not be in the least bit surprised if this was the reality here, sound familiar,( A familiar= spirit or familiar (from Middle English familiar, related to family) is an animal-shaped spirit who serves for witchery, a demon, ..);), information being manipulated and taken out of context to serve those that wish humanity to remain in a spiritual,mental and physical prison.:confused:

[merla]

Religion without a spritual grounding (by which i mean the type of person that goes to church on a sunday because it's tradition, has a bit of a pray and then goes home and doesn't think about God again until next sunday. Also they type of person that says they are Christian/Hindu/Muslim/whatever because their parents were but aren't actually practising anything themselves) would probably fall by the wayside, perhaps that would be a good thing.

However, anyone that has a true spiritual faith, a connection with the Divine/the Creator would not be phased by ETs. It wouldn't change anything about their relationship with God at all. This is something that a lot of atheists and anti-religionists don't seem to understand. A classic example would be in Torchwood (written by atheist Russel T Davies), in children of earth one character told another that they had received a letter from a Christian saying they couldn't cope with aliens because 'it was like science had won' so this Christian had killed themselves.
First of all science had won what exactly? And secondly since when was science some kind of outside anti-God force that spiritual people must shun and vice versa? Science is just a word to describe our current understanding of how the universe works not an alternative 'unreligion' regardless of how much some people wish it was. :rolleyes:

[drakul]

Merla quote: However, anyone that has a true spiritual faith, a connection with the Divine/the Creator would not be phased by ETs. It wouldn't change anything about their relationship with God at all. This is something that a lot of atheists and anti-religionists don't seem to understand.

In fact, the discovery of ETs might even enhance belief in God, because it would make the Creative Power of the Universe more tangible, less imaginary and much more inspiring.

Furthermore what IF these ETs are Believers too -highly advanced spiritual practioners?

[jamesc]

Religion without a spritual grounding (by which i mean the type of person that goes to church on a sunday because it's tradition, has a bit of a pray and then goes home and doesn't think about God again until next sunday. Also they type of person that says they are Christian/Hindu/Muslim/whatever because their parents were but aren't actually practising anything themselves) would probably fall by the wayside, perhaps that would be a good thing.

However, anyone that has a true spiritual faith, a connection with the Divine/the Creator would not be phased by ETs. It wouldn't change anything about their relationship with God at all. This is something that a lot of atheists and anti-religionists don't seem to understand. A classic example would be in Torchwood (written by atheist Russel T Davies), in children of earth one character told another that they had received a letter from a Christian saying they couldn't cope with aliens because 'it was like science had won' so this Christian had killed themselves.
First of all science had won what exactly? And secondly since when was science some kind of outside anti-God force that spiritual people must shun and vice versa? Science is just a word to describe our current understanding of how the universe works not an alternative 'unreligion' regardless of how much some people wish it was. :rolleyes:



Yes i see where you are coming from but my main point is the perceptions of the Divine/creator based on main steam religious doctrines and texts.Ok there are many spiritual paths and ways to grater understanding and each is different to an individuals current sate of spiritual evolution, do any main stream religions cater for those that can see through concoctions of stories that seem to take on rather similar faces but are perceived as either Christian, Islamic or Muslim.

Science is based on so called facts , religion is based on faith, now if these two main factors came together and laid aside its prejudices then i feel greater understanding would prevail.The closet i have come to greater understanding is through the Occult and its references and teachings.I do think that the Vatican are playing it safe and are trying a counter reacting approach here.

Why the sudden revelations from them on ET brothers,(sisters too),why now, why have they remained silent on this for so many years and why is there not more references-to ET brothers and even sisters in their religious texts and teachings in the PAST.The are out to integrate any possible contact in to their belief systems.

I am trying to perceive the notion that any revelations from any highly advance ET intelligences who are also spiritually advanced too would not make a blind bit of difference to Sunday church goers and ALL religious sects ect. Surely if such spiritual revelations ever came from highly advanced ETs then how would it not be of such impact mentally and spiritually:confused: We need to get rid of any preconceived prejudices on religion and science when and if these ET intelligences ever come forward with any revelations on religious and scientific perceptions and possible truths, each to their own i suppose.


"THE EASIEST FORM OF MANIPULATION IS GENUS THAT IS NOT STREET WISE". ;)

[merla]

I am trying to perceive the notion that any revelations from any highly advance ET intelligences who are also spiritually advanced too would not make a blind bit of difference to Sunday church goers and ALL religious sects ect. Surely if such spiritual revelations ever came from highly advanced ETs then how would it not be of such impact mentally and spiritually:confused: We need to get rid of any preconceived prejudices on religion and science when and if these ET intelligences ever come forward with any revelations on religious and scientific perceptions and possible truths, each to their own i suppose.


"THE EASIEST FORM OF MANIPULATION IS GENUS THAT IS NOT STREET WISE". ;)


I think it's all down to individuals, I can't see organised religion not being changed drastically by that kind of revelation, just look at the arguing going on in the Church of England over women and gay people being made bishops(or any number of disagreements over the years and the resulting factions within each major religion). The offical reaction will be down to people like the Pope, Dr Rowan Williams, etc whether people within the congregations agree with what's decided will either cause schisms or unity. Going by what's happened in the past personally I predict schisms,.
Also, I can't see most people liking a bunch of aliens showing up and knowing more about spirituality than them, they'll feel inferior enough already ;)

[romas]

Dude religion survived the enlightenment and the industrial revolution, people saw where our atmosphere ends and endless space begins, yet they still look to the sky and think angels live there. Religion is not just organised rituals etc, it's something human psychology needs, so if one dies there will be new religions.