Police demand my film - but I resist - in progress

[dondaz]

Just filmed some horrible shit and now the police have tried to get my film from me but I wouldn't let them have it. I offered to give them a copy no probs but not the original, I've got other copyrighted stuff on it.

Good job there were loads of witnesses. They are comming round my house any minute to sieze the tape.

Bollocks, they're not getting it. They can have a copy of the incedent.

Update soon as:eek:

[thetonic]

HOLY SHIT ON A STICK - GO DONDAZ!!! DONT LETEM HAVE ITS!!! GET OUTA THERE QWIK!
:eek:

[lightbeing]

I await to hear with interest what happens:eek:
The old bill have no right to take the original, as if you would see it again!:rolleyes:

[notaslave]

Haven't they got anything better to do? What a bunch of jackbooted pricks.

Tell em you smoke and can't let them in without them signing a waiver - in triplicate. :D:D:D

[soglad]

Just filmed some horrible shit and now the police have tried to get my film from me but I wouldn't let them have it. I offered to give them a copy no probs but not the original, I've got other copyrighted stuff on it.

Good job there were loads of witnesses. They are comming round my house any minute to sieze the tape.

Bollocks, they're not getting it. They can have a copy of the incedent.

Update soon as:eek:

Play it cool mate! You know your rights!! :mad:

[dondaz]

They've just arrested a guy for beating a woman up outside my kids school. He also kissed a 4 year old girl and the mother slpaaed him and he attacked her and hit the little girl to.

I run down with my camera and get all the cops turning up and then the little girls dad turned up and attacked the bloke and all shit broke loose when the police arrested the dad.

Malvern is on his way over with his camera to film them if they get out of hand, but it'll be about an hour before he gets here.

They keep driving past my house giving me the evil eye.

My batteries are flat so I'm just charging up right now. I hope they take thier time before they come round.

They love upsetting people round here.

[soglad]

Fuck........rough area you live??

That sounds fucked up.....why do police assume you're not allowed record public events? It confuses me no end....

[lilly555]

Do they want the footage for evidence in this man's case or is it to take it from you to supress you?

Be sure to get the footage of them giving you the evil eye too.

Make a copy before they get to your house. If you don't have a copy they will try to take the original. :eek:

[anoninnyc]

best of luck dondaz. no fear. do not be intimidated. document it all and if they do anything outrageous sue them!

don't know the laws over there, but wouldn't they need a warrant and also some kind of legal papers to take that tape?

[cf24]

Stand your ground fella, as usual!

Obviously you'll make a copy of the incident just in case they come up with some bullshit to take it from you.....

[revolutionary_jam]

film them ceasing it!!! :D:D:D

[anoninnyc]

ask For Legal Documents............

I Do Not Know The Law But Assume That Cops Can't Just Confiscate Your Stuff Without Some Type Of Legal Documents From A Court Of Law.

[dondaz]

Cops are here now...

[chris]

Upload it to youtube asap, make a copy and hide at least a copy. Right up notes and send it into prisonplanet. Also video them coming around asking for the film and try to hold onto that also.

Then cut it and make a full presentation out of it (after it blows over). Prisonplanet have released a 'policewatch' youtube channel and they will love to add this to it.

Great stuff mate!

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

ask For Legal Documents............

I Do Not Know The Law But Assume That Cops Can't Just Confiscate Your Stuff Without Some Type Of Legal Documents From A Court Of Law.

Why do you think they are taking so long?

[lilly555]

film them ceasing it!!! :D:D:D

Also video them coming around asking for the film and try to hold onto that also.


Yes, film them talking to you and trying to enter and stuff. :D

Why do you think they are taking so long?

Good point, maybe had to get judge's approval and "proper" paperwork.

This is getting juicy.:eek:

[soglad]

Cops are here now...

Stand your ground mate!!!

These guys are bloody insane!! Trying to take footage from someone....

[peachped]

Stand your ground mate!!!

These guys are bloody insane!! Trying to take footage from someone....

Hardly insane wanting someone to hand over footage of a man beating a woman up and assaulting a 4 year old girl outside a kids school.

[bennett211085]

Hardly insane wanting someone to hand over footage of a man beating a woman up and assaulting a 4 year old girl outside a kids school.

Its his right to film whatever he likes is it not?

[soglad]

Hardly insane wanting someone to hand over footage of a man beating a woman up and assaulting a 4 year old girl outside a kids school.

They don't want it for those reasons, they just don't want to be recorded.

[lilly555]

Hardly insane wanting someone to hand over footage of a man beating a woman up and assaulting a 4 year old girl outside a kids school.

Yes, hardly insane if it is only being taken for evidence and they agree to only take a copy. But is that what is happening here? I don't know. :eek:

[peachped]

Its his right to film whatever he likes is it not?

I'm not sure what that has got to do with it.

A man has assaulted a woman and 4 year old girl outside a kids school.

Another person has filmed it.

The police want the film.

[dondaz]

Two female officers came around. They were ok about it. They did ask for the original tape but I insisted that I would provide them with a copy. They've left empty handed but said they would be back.

[lilly555]

Seems fair enough to me.:D

[strider]

I'm not sure what that has got to do with it.

A man has assaulted a woman and 4 year old girl outside a kids school.

Another person has filmed it.

The police want the film.

The point is, is that it's his equipment, despite what is on it.

[dondaz]

A police sergeant just came around now telling me because there is an ongoing investigation I'm not allowed to show the film to anyone.

Not sure this is legal, I'll have to check.

He said the same two female police will come around to collect a 'Copy.'

I'm glad they chose this option because I haven't got my anti-Tasar suit ready yet;)

Malvern has just landed with his cam, we'll see what happens...

They are still driving past my house like I am a suspect!

[cf24]

Should have told them you've already distributed copies and they are currently being uploaded for the world to see....:D

[anoninnyc]

that is good news. i was a bit worried.

[strider]

Man I can't stand the police in the u.k.. In Spain they've got 3 levels. First you've got the traffic cops who deal with the traffic, then you have what's called the local police who are sort of bobby's, and then you have the big boys, the guardia civil who carry the guns n stuff.

They're not in your face like the english cops and actually come out and mix with the rest of us.. I've even got stoned with one and had a few drinks bought for me by a one who used to patrol the beach I worked on..

[lilly555]

They are still driving past my house like I am a suspect!

Tape it! They can't supress that. Also when the investigation is over it will be legal to spread it, yes?

A police sergeant just came around now telling me because there is an ongoing investigation I'm not allowed to show the film to anyone. Not sure this is legal, I'll have to check.

[peachped]

The point is, is that it's his equipment, despite what is on it.

Yes but he may have filmed a crime being commited, and not any old crime but a woman and child being assaulted.

It's hardly surprising that the cops are after the footage is it?

[peachped]

Should have told them you've already distributed copies and they are currently being uploaded for the world to see....:D


Interesting , what could they say to that! Sorry officer it's already on youtube!

[dondaz]

Yes but he may have filmed a crime being commited, and not any old crime but a woman and child being assaulted.

It's hardly surprising that the cops are after the footage is it?

Re-read the post and you'll know what I filmed.

Stop being a pain.

[lilly555]

I'm suprised that they were willing to come back for the copy. I was expecting, "We need the original for the investigation, a copy might be altered by you... blah blah blah blah," :eek:

One other thing I thought of...since you agreed to give them a copy, shouldn't they be providing you with a blank tape to make the copy since it is for thier evidence. Whether orginal or copy they are trying to take your property. :eek:

[anoninnyc]

Re-read the post and you'll know what I filmed.

Stop being a pain.

i just re-read it myself. i feel terrible for the father. i mean, his wife and child were attacked and he gets arrested for what? what exactly did he do? just punch the guy or what?

[peachped]

Re-read the post and you'll know what I filmed.

Stop being a pain.

Yes but the cops don't know precisely what you have filmed do they?

From their point of view they've turned up to an incedent where a woman and child have been assaulted and there is a chap there filming with a camera.

[strider]

Yes but he may have filmed a crime being commited, and not any old crime but a woman and child being assaulted.

It's hardly surprising that the cops are after the footage is it?

Yes and he (dondaz) said that he will willingly give them a copy..

What ever is on the tape it doesn't matter. He caused no crime by filming an incident. I don't see the police confiscating videos from the news channels after they've filmed someone getting blown to bits..

Even if I was against what is on the tape, or what ever, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is, is it's getting closer to the time when they will have the right to come into your house and take what ever they want, including your children. That's what bothers me..

[dondaz]

Yes but the cops don't know precisely what you have filmed do they?

They asked me and I told them what I filmed and also told them I would provide them with a copy as proof. I told them I have other private footage on that tape which is copyrighted to me.

They just don't want their faces show, as Soglad pointed out.

Stop being a pain.

[dondaz]

The fact of the matter is, is it's getting closer to the time when they will have the right to come into your house and take what ever they want, including your children. That's what bothers me..

Too true mate, well said!;)

[peachped]

Yes and he (dondaz) said that he will willingly give them a copy..

What ever is on the tape it doesn't matter. He caused no crime by filming an incident. I don't see the police confiscating videos from the news channels after they've filmed someone getting blown to bits..

Even if I was against what is on the tape, or what ever, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is, is it's getting closer to the time when they will have the right to come into your house and take what ever they want, including your children. That's what bothers me..

Yes thats a fair point.

[strider]

I wasn't trying to sound arsey towards you, it just riles the shit out of me..

[edelweiss pirate]

I'm probably the worst person to give you this advice...

But whatever happens Dondaz, stay calm..... and try to film everything... get some webcams set up around your place and even get something going on to film outside...

You'll know you're being watched, they won't!

If I were you I'd go round the station asking why a copper said it was illegal to film and it wasn't. Also write some letters to Mp's and coucillors...

Express concerns about the new tazer and shit....

Make a big noise!

Ps You're the man and your black country brogue just rocks my pc!

[baron von lotsov]

They've just arrested a guy for beating a woman up outside my kids school. He also kissed a 4 year old girl and the mother slpaaed him and he attacked her and hit the little girl to.

I run down with my camera and get all the cops turning up and then the little girls dad turned up and attacked the bloke and all shit broke loose when the police arrested the dad.

Malvern is on his way over with his camera to film them if they get out of hand, but it'll be about an hour before he gets here.

They keep driving past my house giving me the evil eye.

My batteries are flat so I'm just charging up right now. I hope they take thier time before they come round.

They love upsetting people round here.


Give a copy to the police complaints people. It will give the masons more work to do covering up their shit.

[dondaz]

What a mad six hours it has been:eek:

Well, they haven't been back yet for the 'Copy', which I now have waiting for them on a fresh tape:rolleyes:, bloody 5 quid they are too.

I still have the originals and a back-up copy, all now at a safe location;)

You should have seen the bullshit they were trying on me to get the tape. My missus was rushing back to the house to grab me a fresh tape so I didn't get the intimidation and lies on film this time.

When I got the fresh tape and put it in my cam the sergeant changed his attitude real quick. I got him on film saying he knows all about me and what I do and for the last time hand over the tape. But I wouldn't and again offered to help with a copy, which he then accepted on camera.

This is why he came around my house on his own a bit later, saying I can't use the footage for broadcast whilst there is an ongoing investigation.

I'm probably the worst person to give you this advice...

But whatever happens Dondaz, stay calm.....

Yeah, I know what you mean EP. I managed to hold my cool with them but I am sick and tired of the constant harassment over me filming in public. I would have lost my nut a few years ago at them, told them to fuckoff and everything, as I have done many moons ago. Now I know the agenda and I keep my cool and they have no reason to tasar me, yet:eek:

Give a copy to the police complaints people. It will give the masons more work to do covering up their shit.

This is what malvern said too. What do you think I would be up against if I make a formal complaint? I just don't want them kicking my front door in with my kids here.

The missus is a witness to this so they will come back for a statement from her anyway.

I just thought, the footage I have of the copper telling me to hand over the tape isn't part of the investigation, it happened after the event, as it were and has no baring on the actual case does it?

I really would like to get this part posted now. Any advise?

Darren

[cf24]

Get fucking posting mate, do it now, I can't stand the suspense!

Thats my advice anyway....;):D

[edelweiss pirate]

That's a tough one. That is the law though. I don't think you can publish anything that will have a bearing on a case. Sub-judicea or something...

Will you recorded footage clear the guy of the assualt charge or what... since you've got the footage you ought to find out if that guy will be cleared...

Maybe you will be a hero and save an innocent man...

[lilly555]

In this instance all of your footage might be part of the case. Even the part where the seargant is "pleading" with you. The defense might argue that your tape is not credible. Therefore bringing you and all of your footage into the case as evidence.

[dondaz]

since you've got the footage you ought to find out if that guy will be cleared...

I got the dad smacking the perv right on the jaw, he would have hit the deck had the police not been holding him, then the dad moved in to head butt him and the cops stopped him and pulled him away. But the perv was handcuffed at the time so it don't look to good for him right now. There was loads of cops that saw it so there's witnesses too.

It was a spontainious reaction from the dad. I would would have done alot more than he did before the police got me away, that's for sure. He was fucking punching this woman if the face. I Roger Cook him and have him on film trying to blag his way out to the camera. He said four women attacked him and everyone there is telling lies (at least 20 witnesses) and loads of kids. My three kids were there too.

He done this in front of his own kids too! Bloody shame! Got some great footage for my documentary though:rolleyes:

Can they do me for posting the footage of him demanding my tape?

[dondaz]

The defense might argue that your tape is not credible. Therefore bringing you and all of your footage into the case as evidence.

Sure, I know what you mean! So do I have to give the police a copy of this last part, which is, in fact, on a brand new tape on it's own. I had finished filming the incident by then?

[cf24]

Can they do me for posting the footage of him demanding my tape?

I would have thought that the footage of him demanding the tape is totally separate, as this is hours after the incident took place.....

[malvern]

Just got back from dondaz, NO High Viz......:(
Maybe they will return in the night, or early mornig just before day light,,,
OH how those yellow jackets sparkle in the blue lights...:D


freedom for all

[klinker]

So why are the Police so keen on having the original tape? If all you have done is record a crime taking place then any extra evidence they could use is a good thing right? Their eagerness does not make sense unless their behaviour during the assault on the mother and child also included poor behaviour on their part which there is no mention of in earlier posts unless I have missed it.

I understand that the tape has other recordings you might not wish them to see but do they know what else is on the tape? This would help me understand their desire to get hold of the original tape. From what I have read so far it seems that their behaviour does not tie up with what so far amounts to recorded evidence of a crime.

[strider]

Yeah come on dondaz, post a bit up.. Am intruiged now :D

[baron von lotsov]

This is what malvern said too. What do you think I would be up against if I make a formal complaint? I just don't want them kicking my front door in with my kids here.



Attack is the best form of defence. Seriously, it works everytime. Police are just big bullies, but we all know that a bully never attacks someone their own size. By refusing to give into them will put them on the defensive and they will most likely take the hit. None will touch you after that.

[lilly555]

Sure, I know what you mean! So do I have to give the police a copy of this last part, which is, in fact, on a brand new tape on it's own. I had finished filming the incident by then?


From my understanding of US law, you would not have to give the footage of the Seargent to the police because it is not part of thier investigation agianst the suspects. You would only have to provide the last part into court if the judge or lawyers subpoenaed all of your footage with police. I believe they could do this because your footage will play a major role in this case as it is irrefutable evidence. The lawyers may ask for all footage with police to determine the quality of your work (credibility of witness) and quality your tapes (credibility of the evidence) since it pertains to evidence in the investigation. Since the footage of the Seargent doesn't have to do with the suspect, the police could not get a warrant for it. You could only be subpoenaed to provide the Seargant bit to the court for the lawyers, not the police. So when I said that all of your footage could possibly be part of the case, I meant the court case. Not the police's investigation agaisnt the suspects. This is how it is in the US, I'm not an expert on British Criminal Law.

[dondaz]

I would have thought that the footage of him demanding the tape is totally separate, as this is hours after the incident took place.....

A couple of minutes after I stopped filming mate, when my tape ran out:eek: Otherwise I would have had some right good footage of them bullshitting me again.

Plod, 'You can keep your camera but I'm seizing the tape as evidence.'

Me, 'Seizing me tape mate, april fools day was months ago. I'll run a copy off for you no problem but you can't have me original footage.'

Plod holds out his hand and says, 'It's evidence of a crime, I'm taking the tape.'

Me, 'You ain't having it mate, it's mine and it's staying mine. I've got other footage on there, copyrighted material mate. All rights reserved, by me.'

Plod, 'It's an offence to refuse to hand over evidence of a crime.'

Me, 'Ok, let's break this down. What section is it that says you can seize my tape?'

Plod, in a fluster, '...erm.. it's er... er... section 19.'

Me, 'And what does it say in section 19 about seizing the film from a camerman who is willing to give you a copy?'

Plod, 'I know the law, I'm a policeman!' (A sergeant actually)

Me, 'Have you been to film school and studed public film law?

Plod, 'I know the law.'

Me, 'So you must know you're entitled to a copy of my footage and not the original?'

Plod holds his hand out again, 'Just give me the tape before we have to seize it from you.'

It went on. Done my head in actually, sick of them pulling these stunts.

So why are the Police so keen on having the original tape?

Because it's me. Someone higher up has told them to try get the tape, I know. These coppers did no wrong and were doing a good job of calming the situation down, untill the dad of the little girl arrived, which was only natural for him to have a go at the perv.

There is nothing on that tape apart from my daughters birthday monday, and some footage of a few chemtrails. They will always try it on as far as they can take it.

The word is out on me for sure. But I am doing no wrong at all and they know this!

Attack is the best form of defence. Seriously, it works everytime. Police are just big bullies, but we all know that a bully never attacks someone their own size. By refusing to give into them will put them on the defensive and they will most likely take the hit. None will touch you after that.

Yeah, I agree with you baron. I'm going to bring it up at the next local police meeting at the school on monday. See what the chief inspector has to say. Of course I'm going to film it:rolleyes:

Then I'll go seek legal advise:D

[dondaz]

From my understanding of US law, in this instance, you would not have to give it (the last part) to the police because it is not part of thier investigation agianst the suspects (unless you are a suspect). You would only have to provide the last part into court if the judge subpoenaed all of your footage which I believe they could do because your footage will play a major role in this case as it is irrefutable evidence. They (lawyers) may ask for all of it to determine the quality of your work (credibility of witness) and your tape, questioning the credibility of the evidence. Since the footage of the seargent doesn't have to do with the suspect's investigation, they (cops) could not get a warrant for it for thier investigation unless you were a suspect in the case also. You could only be subpoenaed to provide it to the court for the lawyers. So when I said that all of your take could possibly be part of the case, I meant the court case, not the police's investigation agaisnt the suspects. This is how it is in the US, I'm not an expert on British Criminal Law.

That's very interesting Lilly, be great if it's like that over here. I will call a human rights lawyer I know tomorrow and find out for sure. I'll bring some of your pointers up in the conversation.

I'm off to bed, got some seriouse editing to be done 'on the morrow'. The Glastenbury Affair will be released tomorrow for sure.

[auron]

Bloody hell, I've just read this thread! :D

Stick it to em Dondaz! Make loads of copies, and hide them! :cool:

[dondaz]

Stick it to em Dondaz! Make loads of copies, and hide them! :cool:

Job done mate:D

They didn't come back last night for the 'copy', or this morning? What are they up to now?

They love their games of bluff and double bluff.:eek:

[vienna]

Job done mate:D

They didn't come back last night for the 'copy', or this morning? What are they up to now?

They love their games of bluff and double bluff.:eek:


suppose you post a copy to someone on here and they put it on youtube, against your wishes, of course - i'm just supposing..not this this would ever happen, of course;)

technically that wouldn't land you in hot water, would it?

[dondaz]

Unless this thread was brought in as evidence against me:eek:

They still haven't been back, even for a statement from me missus.

[anoninnyc]

suppose you post a copy to someone on here and they put it on youtube, against your wishes, of course - i'm just supposing..not this this would ever happen, of course;)

technically that wouldn't land you in hot water, would it?

yes it would. if you post something like that on the internet you should know that someone could do that.