Luciferian gnosticism

[orlibonurb]

The Tree of Gnosis
http://www.xrevelator.com/occult/gnosis/gnosis.htm


In the beginning, there was an evil tree, right in the garden of Eden. The tree was called the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17). It was called as such not because of knowledge but because of a coded signature of an evil entity. In this tree, there was a beast known as the serpent or Satan. Whoever eats the fruit of this tree, he shall surely die. This tree is symbolic of death.

In order to derive the code, we need to find the meaning of “knowledge” according to the context. The verb “to know” in the scriptures is often used to denote sexual union (Genesis 4:1). Therefore, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is “the tree of the union of the positive (good) and the negative (evil) aspects.” The evil tree has a dualistic nature being unified as one.

The term Gnostic comes from the Greek word “gnosis” meaning “knowledge” or to unify the opposite aspects.


“The Goal of Gnostic initiation was, likewise, to bring the lower self into union with the higher self, for, it is when they are made one that enlightenment occurs.” - Iranaues (130-202 CE) and Valentinus (100-180 CE)

“In the World of Briah, in Daath, is the union of god the mother, god the father, but of the union of the feminine aspect of the three, and the masculine aspect of the three.” – Gnostic Kabbalah

"Valentinus, Egyptian religious philosopher, founder of Roman and Alexandrian schools of Gnosticism, a system of religious dualism (belief in rival deities of good and evil) with a doctrine of salvation by gnōsis, or esoteric knowledge." - Encyclopedia Britannica

“Ophite (from Greek ophis, “serpent”), member of any of several Gnostic sects that flourished in the Roman Empire during the 2nd century ad and for several centuries thereafter. Only gnosis, the esoteric knowledge of good and evil, can redeem man from the bonds of matter and make him aware of the *unknown god who is the true source of all being.” – Encyclopedia Britannica

*serpent/Satan


Gnosticism is merely the mystical/esoteric union of the opposite aspects (dualism) which follows the biblical tree of the serpent (ophis) of the knowledge of good and evil (Gnosis). According to witchcraft, their god is what man is, male and female, a bisexual; as above, so below, as in the natural, so in the spiritual. We see the coded evil serpentine tree being the main theme of Gnosticism and witchcraft.

A graphical example can be observed in this Satanic Baphomet, the goat idol. We see a concentration of the union of the opposite aspects.

http://www.xrevelator.com/occult/gnosis/images/baphometlabel2

As in the Light, so in the Darkness
As it is Animal, so it is Human
As in your Right, so on your Left
As it is Naked, so it is Clothed
As it is Dissolve, so it is Coagulate
As it is Sky, so it is Sea
As it is Male, so it is Female
As it is Earth, so it is Air
As it is Water, so it is Fire
As it is a Fish, so it is a Bird
As it is Hot, so it is Cold
As it is the Truth, so it is the Lie
As it is Forward, so it is Backward
As it is Spirit, so it is Flesh
As in the Natural, so in the Spiritual
As Above, so Below
As in Heaven, so on Earth


In order to understand the deeper things of Satanism and its branches, we must familiarize ourselves with this simple Gnostic formula as indicated above. Once you have grasped this simple concept, you are now able to see how evil works and perceive the hidden things of witchcraft. All things pertaining to the coming future can be known and secret codes broken, as I will demonstrate later.

The scripture is very familiar with this ancient Gnostic concept. As it is written:


Exodus 20:4 (Revised Standard Version)

"You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath”

In its simplicity, idolatry is the worship of Satan, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - the tree of Gnosis.

http://www.xrevelator.com/occult/gnosis/images/serpenttree.jpg

[thereisonlywe]

"As in the Light, so in the Darkness
As it is Animal, so it is Human
As in your Right, so on your Left
As it is Naked, so it is Clothed
As it is Dissolve, so it is Coagulate
As it is Sky, so it is Sea
As it is Male, so it is Female
As it is Earth, so it is Air
As it is Water, so it is Fire
As it is a Fish, so it is a Bird
As it is Hot, so it is Cold
As it is the Truth, so it is the Lie
As it is Forward, so it is Backward
As it is Spirit, so it is Flesh
As in the Natural, so in the Spiritual
As Above, so Below
As in Heaven, so on Earth"

This is information that helps you understand God. If you deny this, you deny everything you claim to be guarding. We don't expect everyone to understand "The Union Of The Opposites". But for your own benefit, stay away from what you can't understand.

Gnosticism, like many other belief systems was built on Oneness. Thus, making its original form the truth. However, like any other belief system it had been corrupted by people who think they could achieve some kind of a power.

Love&Peace

[dunadan]

The Tree of Gnosis
http://www.xrevelator.com/occult/gnosis/gnosis.htm


In the beginning, there was an evil tree, right in the garden of Eden. The tree was called the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17). It was called as such not because of knowledge but because of a coded signature of an evil entity. In this tree, there was a beast known as the serpent or Satan. Whoever eats the fruit of this tree, he shall surely die. This tree is symbolic of death.

In order to derive the code, we need to find the meaning of “knowledge” according to the context. The verb “to know” in the scriptures is often used to denote sexual union (Genesis 4:1). Therefore, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is “the tree of the union of the positive (good) and the negative (evil) aspects.” The evil tree has a dualistic nature being unified as one.

The term Gnostic comes from the Greek word “gnosis” meaning “knowledge” or to unify the opposite aspects.


“The Goal of Gnostic initiation was, likewise, to bring the lower self into union with the higher self, for, it is when they are made one that enlightenment occurs.” - Iranaues (130-202 CE) and Valentinus (100-180 CE)

“In the World of Briah, in Daath, is the union of god the mother, god the father, but of the union of the feminine aspect of the three, and the masculine aspect of the three.” – Gnostic Kabbalah

"Valentinus, Egyptian religious philosopher, founder of Roman and Alexandrian schools of Gnosticism, a system of religious dualism (belief in rival deities of good and evil) with a doctrine of salvation by gnōsis, or esoteric knowledge." - Encyclopedia Britannica

“Ophite (from Greek ophis, “serpent”), member of any of several Gnostic sects that flourished in the Roman Empire during the 2nd century ad and for several centuries thereafter. Only gnosis, the esoteric knowledge of good and evil, can redeem man from the bonds of matter and make him aware of the *unknown god who is the true source of all being.” – Encyclopedia Britannica

*serpent/Satan


Gnosticism is merely the mystical/esoteric union of the opposite aspects (dualism) which follows the biblical tree of the serpent (ophis) of the knowledge of good and evil (Gnosis). According to witchcraft, their god is what man is, male and female, a bisexual; as above, so below, as in the natural, so in the spiritual. We see the coded evil serpentine tree being the main theme of Gnosticism and witchcraft.

A graphical example can be observed in this Satanic Baphomet, the goat idol. We see a concentration of the union of the opposite aspects.

http://www.xrevelator.com/occult/gnosis/images/baphometlabel2

As in the Light, so in the Darkness
As it is Animal, so it is Human
As in your Right, so on your Left
As it is Naked, so it is Clothed
As it is Dissolve, so it is Coagulate
As it is Sky, so it is Sea
As it is Male, so it is Female
As it is Earth, so it is Air
As it is Water, so it is Fire
As it is a Fish, so it is a Bird
As it is Hot, so it is Cold
As it is the Truth, so it is the Lie
As it is Forward, so it is Backward
As it is Spirit, so it is Flesh
As in the Natural, so in the Spiritual
As Above, so Below
As in Heaven, so on Earth


In order to understand the deeper things of Satanism and its branches, we must familiarize ourselves with this simple Gnostic formula as indicated above. Once you have grasped this simple concept, you are now able to see how evil works and perceive the hidden things of witchcraft. All things pertaining to the coming future can be known and secret codes broken, as I will demonstrate later.

The scripture is very familiar with this ancient Gnostic concept. As it is written:


Exodus 20:4 (Revised Standard Version)

"You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath”

In its simplicity, idolatry is the worship of Satan, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - the tree of Gnosis.

http://www.xrevelator.com/occult/gnosis/images/serpenttree.jpg

Hi,

All really interesting info.

Just one question;- was'nt the tree fairly benign in that if Adama and Eve were indeed inocent they were told not to eat from it etc?
When they were tested by the serpent, that being, indicated that they could become like gods and the only way to do so was through knowledge, knowledge of both so called; 'good and evil' and so they ate from that 'tree'.

Whilst I understand some of the esoteric meanings of such I have not as yet understood how such relates to the first 'humans' who, according to many here, were effectively 'genetically modified'. :confused:

[jesusistruth]

"While living, be a dead man, thoroughly dead. Then whatever you do, just as you will, will be right."

[elirien]

In order to understand the deeper things of Satanism and its branches, we must familiarize ourselves with this simple Gnostic formula as indicated above. Once you have grasped this simple concept, you are now able to see how evil works and perceive the hidden things of witchcraft. All things pertaining to the coming future can be known and secret codes broken, as I will demonstrate later.

The scripture is very familiar with this ancient Gnostic concept. As it is written:


Exodus 20:4 (Revised Standard Version)

"You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath”

In its simplicity, idolatry is the worship of Satan, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil - the tree of Gnosis.

http://www.xrevelator.com/occult/gnosis/images/serpenttree.jpg

I don't know where you derived to that Gnostic's are satanists but the spirit has no gender. That is what is being tried to convey to a mind adept to the physical. A very bad way is to using gender to convey that which leads to what is called satanism. Although since God is spirit how can he be a he or she or hermaphrodite for that matter? People love to step over that possibility :D

Exodus portrays that quite beautifully. Although eating from the tree of knowledge means as far as can easily perceived getting into a body to experience what we are not. If it were the other (catholic/satanist) way around I couldn't imagine how many people would be having baseball bats in their hands in heaven just to 'meet' and 'converse' with Adam and Eve :D

[orlibonurb]

William Cooper (Mystery Babylon) Gnosticism 1/4
William Cooper (Mystery Babylon) Gnosticism 1/4 - YouTube

William Cooper (Mystery Babylon) Gnosticism 2/4
William Cooper (Mystery Babylon) Gnosticism 2/4 - YouTube

William Cooper (Mystery Babylon) Gnosticism 3/4
William Cooper (Mystery Babylon) Gnosticism 3/4 - YouTube

William Cooper (Mystery Babylon) Gnosticism 4/4
William Cooper (Mystery Babylon) Gnosticism 4/4 - YouTube

[orlibonurb]

Question: "What are the Gnostic gospels?"
http://www.gotquestions.org/Gnostic-gospels.html

Answer: The Gnostic gospels are writings by early "Christian" Gnostics. After the first century of Christianity, two primary divisions developed - the orthodox and the Gnostics. The orthodox Christians held to books we now have in the Bible and to what is today considered orthodox theology. The Gnostic Christians, if they can truly be described as Christians, held a distinctly different view of the Bible, of Jesus Christ, of salvation, and of virtually every other major Christian doctrine. However, they did not have any writings by the Apostles to give legitimacy to their beliefs.

That is why and how the Gnostic gospels were created. The Gnostics fraudulently attached the names of famous Christians to their writings, such as the gospel of Thomas, the gospel of Philip, the gospel of Mary, etc. The discovery of the Nag Hammadi library in northern Egypt in 1945 represented a major discovery of Gnostic gospels. These Gnostic gospels are often pointed to as supposed "lost books of the Bible."

So, what are we to make of the Gnostic gospels? Should some or all of them be in the Bible? No, they should not. First, as pointed out above, the Gnostic gospels are forgeries, fraudulently written in the names of the Apostles in order to give them a legitimacy in the early church. Thankfully, the early church fathers were nearly unanimous in recognizing the Gnostic gospels as promoting false teachings about virtually every key Christian doctrine. There are countless contradictions between the Gnostic gospels and the true Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The Gnostic gospels can be a good source for the study of early Christian heresies, but they should be rejected outright as not belonging in the Bible and not representing the genuine Christian faith.

Recommended Resource: The Missing Gospels: Unearthing the Truth Behind Alternative Christianities by Darrell Bock.

[orlibonurb]

Gnosticism Exposed
Gnosticism Exposed - YouTube

This is a clip from the DVD Hollywood's War on God, The DVD is a mind-blowing, eye-popping documentary that reveals how satanic forces are using Hollywood's most memorable movies and most popular actors to propagate an ancient lie in fulfillment of biblical prophecy. This clip deals with Gnosticism.

[nectars]

orli, do you even know anything about it other than second hand opinions?

All Gospels where seperate from each other to begin with, and all where practiced as their own form of Christianity prior to these supposed "experts" deciding what fit in with their idea of what should be included when brought together -note, "their opinion", not that of Jesus.

You should learn something about them before you go talking nonsense.

Edit: Gnostics, and I mean true ones, not those practicing more modern occult versions of it, actually practiced Christianity more faithfully than modern Christians do. They practiced going within to experience union with God, as taught by Jesus himself.

"20. When some of the Pharisees asked Jesus when the kingdom of God would come, he answered, saying to them, The kingdom of God does not come by observation.

21. Neither will they say, Behold, it is here! or, behold, it is there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

22. And he said to his disciples, The time will come when you will covet to see one of the days of the Son of man, and you will not see it.

23. And if they should say to you, Behold, he is here! and behold, he is there! do not go." - Luke 17:20-23

Can you see anything about going to church, or going within?

[octopusrex]

William Cooper (Mystery Babylon) Gnosticism 1/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_meC_o_IDs

William Cooper (Mystery Babylon) Gnosticism 2/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1AiVKTBDtE

William Cooper (Mystery Babylon) Gnosticism 3/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52tAZDI2gYc

William Cooper (Mystery Babylon) Gnosticism 4/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDo8ZIK8MJA

Y'know...

Anonymity sucks. If yer gonna make blanket statements about stuff like that, put yer face where youtube is!

[orlibonurb]

Y'know...

Anonymity sucks. If yer gonna make blanket statements about stuff like that, put yer face where youtube is!


http://underachieverapparel.com/billcooper.jpg

http://www.radionewjerusalem.com/New%20RNJ/Bill_Cooper3.jpg

[orlibonurb]

orli, do you even know anything about it other than second hand opinions?

All Gospels where seperate from each other to begin with, and all where practiced as their own form of Christianity prior to these supposed "experts" deciding what fit in with their idea of what should be included when brought together -note, "their opinion", not that of Jesus.

You should learn something about them before you go talking nonsense.

Edit: Gnostics, and I mean true ones, not those practicing more modern occult versions of it, actually practiced Christianity more faithfully than modern Christians do. They practiced going within to experience union with God, as taught by Jesus himself.

"20. When some of the Pharisees asked Jesus when the kingdom of God would come, he answered, saying to them, The kingdom of God does not come by observation.

21. Neither will they say, Behold, it is here! or, behold, it is there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

22. And he said to his disciples, The time will come when you will covet to see one of the days of the Son of man, and you will not see it.

23. And if they should say to you, Behold, he is here! and behold, he is there! do not go." - Luke 17:20-23

Can you see anything about going to church, or going within?

Gnostics are not Christians, period.

Christianity stands for the death & resurrection of Jesus Christ and the Word of the God (Holy Bible) alone (Sola Scriptura), thank you very much.

Anything that is not scriptural is not Christian.



Question: "What is Christian Gnosticism?"
http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-gnosticism.html

Answer: There is actually no such thing as Christian Gnosticism, because true Christianity and Gnosticism are mutually exclusive systems of belief. The principles of Gnosticism contradict what it means to be a Christian. Therefore, while some forms of Gnosticism may claim to be Christian, they are in fact decidedly non-Christian.

Gnosticism was perhaps the most dangerous heresy that threatened the early church during the first three centuries. Influenced by such philosophers as Plato, Gnosticism is based on two false premises. First, it espouses a dualism regarding spirit and matter. Gnostics assert that matter is inherently evil and spirit is good. As a result of this presupposition, Gnostics believe anything done in the body, even the grossest sin, has no meaning because real life exists in the spirit realm only.

Second, Gnostics claim to possess an elevated knowledge, a “higher truth” known only to a certain few. Gnosticism comes from the Greek word gnosis which means “to know.” Gnostics claim to possess a higher knowledge, not from the Bible, but acquired on some mystical higher plain of existence. Gnostics see themselves as a privileged class elevated above everybody else by their higher, deeper knowledge of God.

To discredit the idea of any compatibility between Christianity and Gnosticism, one has only to compare their teachings on the main doctrines of the faith. On the matter of salvation, Gnosticism teaches that salvation is gained through the acquisition of divine knowledge which frees one from the illusions of darkness. Although they claim to follow Jesus Christ and His original teachings, Gnostics contradict Him at every turn. Jesus said nothing about salvation through knowledge, but by faith in Him as Savior from sin. “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9). Furthermore, the salvation Christ offers is free and available to everyone (John 3:16), not just a select few who have acquired a special revelation.

Christianity asserts that there is one source of Truth and that is the Bible, the inspired, inerrant Word of the living God, the only infallible rule of faith and practice (John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Hebrews 4:12). It is God’s written revelation to mankind and is never superseded by man’s thoughts, ideas, writings, or visions. The Gnostics, on the other hand, use a variety of early heretical writings known as the Gnostic gospels, a collection of forgeries claiming to be “lost books of the Bible.” Thankfully, the early church fathers were nearly unanimous in recognizing these Gnostic scrolls as fraudulent forgeries that espouse false doctrines about Jesus Christ, salvation, God, and every other crucial Christian truth. There are countless contradictions between the Gnostic “gospels” and the Bible. Even when the so-called Christian Gnostics quote from the Bible, they rewrite verses and parts of verses to harmonize with their philosophy, a practice that is strictly forbidden and warned against by Scripture (Deuteronomy 4:2; 12:32; Proverbs 30:6; Revelation 22:18-19).

The Person of Jesus Christ is another area where Christianity and Gnosticism drastically differ. The Gnostics believe that Jesus’ physical body was not real, but only “seemed” to be physical, and that His spirit descended upon Him at His baptism, but left Him just before His crucifixion. Such views destroy not only the true humanity of Jesus, but also the atonement, for Jesus must not only have been truly God, but also the truly human (and physically real) man who actually suffered and died upon the cross in order to be the acceptable substitutionary sacrifice for sin (Hebrews 2:14-17). The biblical view of Jesus affirms His complete humanity as well as His full deity.

Gnosticism is based on a mystical, intuitive, subjective, inward, emotional approach to truth which is not new at all. It is very old, going back in some form to the Garden of Eden, where Satan questioned God and the words He spoke and convinced Adam and Eve to reject them and accept a lie. He does the same thing today as he “prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour” (1 Peter 5:8). He still calls God and the Bible into question and catches in his web those who are either naïve and scripturally uninformed or who are seeking some personal revelation to make them feel special, unique, and superior to others. Let us follow the Apostle Paul who said to “test everything. Hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21), and this we do by comparing everything to the Word of God, the only Truth.

Recommended Resource: The Gnostic Empire Strikes Back: An Old Heresy for the New Age by Peter Jones.



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Luke 17:21
http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/25673/eVerseID/25673


"Within" is translated from entos, used only twice in the New Testament. Its primary meaning is "inside," as it is rendered in Matthew 23:26: "Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also." However, when used in conjunction with a plural noun, entos means "among" or "in the midst of." In Luke 17:21, entos is used with "you," and from the context, we can see that Jesus was speaking to a crowd of Pharisees, who had come to question Him about the Kingdom of God (verse 20). "You," then, is plural. "The kingdom of God is among you" is best.

Most modern translations have recognized this grammatical error and translate entos as "among" or "in the midst of." Some texts, like the New King James and the New International versions, persist in using "within," though they note in the margin that "among" is an alternative.

Even without this technical knowledge of Greek, we could have easily understood that "within" is a poor and misleading translation. Christ was answering a question posed by the Pharisees, and He replied directly to them: "He answered them and said, . . . 'For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.'" But how could the Kingdom of God be within His most bitter enemies? How many times did He reveal them to be hyprocritical and misleading the people? Theologically, it is quite impossible to think that His Kingdom would be in the Pharisees.

It is only after He had made this remark that He turned to His disciples (verse 22) and explained what He meant. The subject of the entire section (verses 20-37) is stated most explicitly in verse 30: "Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed." All along, He had been explaining His second coming! When He returns, He will set up His Kingdom on earth (Zechariah 14:9).

If the Kingdom is still future, how could He say that "the kingdom of God is among you"? To answer this, we must return to the four common traits of a kingdom: a king, who rules by law over a number of subjects who live within a certain territory. The primary trait is that a kingdom must be ruled by a king; otherwise, the country has some other form of government. A king of any nation is the chief representative of that nation. And the King of the Kingdom of God is none other than the living Jesus Christ!

Pilate specifically asked Jesus, "'Are You a king then?' Jesus answered, 'You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth'" (John 18:37). So as the King of God's Kingdom, He could truly tell the Pharisees that the Kingdom of God was among them.






You don't even know the context of that verse & chapter, idiotic cherry picking verses to suit your own agenda without doing proper study. In your own words "You should learn something about them before you go talking nonsense."

[nectars]

I've saw others mention it but now I see for myself that your blind to what you preach. Sooner of later you will know the truth of your preachings my friend. Memorising a book does not qualify you for Truth; understanding it does.

Aim higher.

Gloria in Excelsis Deo.

[tannah]

Anything that is not scriptural is not Christian.

What a STUPID attitude. And how incorrect too. A bible freak is not the same as a Christian.

[orlibonurb]

What a STUPID attitude. And how incorrect too. A bible freak is not the same as a Christian.


Christianity stands for the death & resurrection and for the Bible alone. Therefore anything that is not Biblical is not Christian.

What part do you not understand.

To say something is "incorrect", first you have to know what you're talking about.

[nectars]

Christianity stands for the death & resurrection and for the Bible alone. Therefore anything that is not Biblical is not Christian.

What part do you not understand.

I hope for his sake all the parts that you claim to :p

[orlibonurb]

I've saw others mention it but now I see for myself that your blind to what you preach. Sooner of later you will know the truth of your preachings my friend. Memorising a book does not qualify you for Truth; understanding it does.

Aim higher.

Gloria in Excelsis Deo.

You have to be really blind not to understand. Even when your arguments are shut down you still have to give some ridiculous answer.

Sooner or later you'll know it too, no worries.

[nectars]

You have to be really blind not to understand. Even when your arguments are shut down you still have to give some ridiculous answer.

Sooner or later you'll know it too, no worries.

Nothing rediculous about it, and nothing was shut down my friend, I choose not to participate it willful sinning. As a final thought, I feel the following applies to you.

"As it is written, God has given them a stubborn spirit, eyes that cannot see, and ears that cannot hear, till this very day" - Romans 11:8

"For there is nothing hidden that will not be uncovered; and nothing in secret which will not be revealed" - Mark 4:22

"If any man has ears to hear, let him hear." - Mark 4:23

[orlibonurb]

Nothing rediculous about it, and nothing was shut down my friend, I choose not to participate it willful sinning. As a final thought, I feel the following applies to you.

"As it is written, God has given them a stubborn spirit, eyes that cannot see, and ears that cannot hear, till this very day" - Romans 11:8

"For there is nothing hidden that will not be uncovered; and nothing in secret which will not be revealed" - Mark 4:22

"If any man has ears to hear, let him hear." - Mark 4:23


The irony, got to love it.

[tannah]

Christianity stands for the death & resurrection and for the Bible alone. Therefore anything that is not Biblical is not Christian.

What part do you not understand.

To say something is "incorrect", first you have to know what you're talking about.

FFS, what is the point of running a DI forum, when idiots can just piss all over Reason like you do.??????? And end up dominating the whole proceedings.

Christianity existed well before your bible.

And if your precious belief isnt a religion, bog off to the appropriate forum.

[orlibonurb]

FFS, what is the point of running a DI forum, when idiots can just piss all over Reason like you do.??????? And end up dominating the whole proceedings.

Christianity existed well before your bible.

And if your precious belief isnt a religion, bog off to the appropriate forum.


You are in the "religion" board, and posting in my thread. Don't like it, get out, not my problem.

As for Christianity, the Bible is the Word of God, God is Jesus, who also lived among His creation as a man, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, who is also the Holy Spirit which indwells all saved souls on the face of this satanic driven world system.

The Bible is the Word of God / CHRISTianity. There would not be CHRISTianity without Jesus Christ, but then again, without God, without Jesus - we wouldn't be talking here too.

If you want your own fake version (idolatry) of God, go for it. You've been warned countless times. At least, do the world a favor and stop talking about Christianity if,

1. You don't know what it is

2. It pisses you off so much.

Romans {8:7} Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be


If you don't agree with it, then move along with your life. With your fake version of Jesus Christ. With your idolatry.

[nectars]

wait....hahahaha.....whos the guy quoting the bible.... are you a "gnostic christian"

Not sure if anyone else saw that, but why remove it oli? No, I'm not, but I do understand their teachings.

I'm not here to waste my time arguing with any fantics oli, only to have meaningful discussion with anyone whos interested.

I'm sure you cutting comments will be appreciated by your "god"(and yes the small "g" is deliberate).

Have a nice day. :)

[tannah]

You are in the "religion" board, and posting in my thread. Don't like it, get out, not my problem.

As for Christianity, the Bible is the Word of God, God is Jesus, who also lived among His creation as a man, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, who is also the Holy Spirit which indwells all saved souls on the face of this satanic driven world system.

The Bible is the Word of God / CHRISTianity. There would not be CHRISTianity without Jesus Christ, but then again, without God, without Jesus - we wouldn't be talking here too.



Romans {8:7} Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be


You're a fucking devil wanting to keep others blind . There is no Christianity with Christ, not "There would not be CHRISTianity without Jesus Christ, "

You demons are easy to spot. You treat others as only a devil would and then pretend to be offended when you're told to fuck off.

Your fantasy of seeing God reduce billions of spirits to hell is no more than a devils fantasy. May you be shown what sordity you worship by a 3 year old one day.

[tannah]

If you want your own fake version (idolatry) of God, go for it. You've been warned countless times. At least, do the world a favor and stop talking about Christianity if,

1. You don't know what it is

2. It pisses you off so much.

Romans {8:7} Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be


If you don't agree with it, then move along with your life. With your fake version of Jesus Christ. With your idolatry.


Blah blah ferking blah blah and kiss my ass. You're being the asshole who has turned Christ into a male idol you silly thing.

[orlibonurb]

Blah blah ferking blah blah and kiss my ass. You're being the asshole who has turned Christ into a male idol you silly thing.

Quite the opposite with your non existent "Christ consciousness" or "Christ within".

I posted a new thread for you called,

"RUSS DIZDAR - LUCIFER'S NEW AGE CHRIST"

[tannah]

Quite the opposite with your non existent "Christ consciousness" or "Christ within".

I posted a new thread for you called,

"RUSS DIZDAR - LUCIFER'S NEW AGE CHRIST"

You can't be a Christian without Christ within. But you can be a bible-freak with bible quotes in place of the real thing.

There's no idol worship when praying to Christ within, no ritual.

This is how much you don't understand truth..that the Kingdom is within. You don't understand it because you've continually swapped one idol for another in life. And, thanks to Christ, I have never put my trust in idols.

don't try to destract with puny vids, I want you to finally admit you run from reason, because most of us have spotted that about you. Stay within the confines of reason and you will see what it is you worship.

[devyn]

Orli, you have no understanding of Gnosticism at all. Please read this and enlighten yourself.


http://www.gnosis.org/gnintro.htm


The Gnostic World View:
A Brief Summary of Gnosticism


GNOSTICISM IS THE TEACHING based on Gnosis, the knowledge of transcendence arrived at by way of interior, intuitive means. Although Gnosticism thus rests on personal religious experience, it is a mistake to assume all such experience results in Gnostic recognitions. It is nearer the truth to say that Gnosticism expresses a specific religious experience, an experience that does not lend itself to the language of theology or philosophy, but which is instead closely affinitized to, and expresses itself through, the medium of myth. Indeed, one finds that most Gnostic scriptures take the forms of myths. The term “myth” should not here be taken to mean “stories that are not true”, but rather, that the truths embodied in these myths are of a different order from the dogmas of theology or the statements of philosophy.

In the following summary, we will attempt to encapsulate in prose what the Gnostic myths express in their distinctively poetic and imaginative language.


The Cosmos

All religious traditions acknowledge that the world is imperfect. Where they differ is in the explanations which they offer to account for this imperfection and in what they suggest might be done about it. Gnostics have their own -- perhaps quite startling -- view of these matters: they hold that the world is flawed because it was created in a flawed manner.

Like Buddhism, Gnosticism begins with the fundamental recognition that earthly life is filled with suffering. In order to nourish themselves, all forms of life consume each other, thereby visiting pain, fear, and death upon one another (even herbivorous animals live by destroying the life of plants). In addition, so-called natural catastrophes -- earthquakes, floods, fires, drought, volcanic eruptions -- bring further suffering and death in their wake. Human beings, with their complex physiology and psychology, are aware not only of these painful features of earthly existence. They also suffer from the frequent recognition that they are strangers living in a world that is flawed and absurd.

Many religions advocate that humans are to be blamed for the imperfections of the world. Supporting this view, they interpret the Genesis myth as declaring that transgressions committed by the first human pair brought about a “fall” of creation resulting in the present corrupt state of the world. Gnostics respond that this interpretation of the myth is false. The blame for the world’s failings lies not with humans, but with the creator. Since -- especially in the monotheistic religions -- the creator is God, this Gnostic position appears blasphemous, and is often viewed with dismay even by non-believers.

Ways of evading the recognition of the flawed creation and its flawed creator have been devised over and over, but none of these arguments have impressed Gnostics. The ancient Greeks, especially the Platonists, advised people to look to the harmony of the universe, so that by venerating its grandeur they might forget their immediate afflictions. But since this harmony still contains the cruel flaws, forlornness and alienation of existence, this advice is considered of little value by Gnostics. Nor is the Eastern idea of Karma regarded by Gnostics as an adequate explanation of creation’s imperfection and suffering. Karma at best can only explain how the chain of suffering and imperfection works. It does not inform us in the first place why such a sorrowful and malign system should exist.

Once the initial shock of the “unusual” or “blasphemous” nature of the Gnostic explanation for suffering and imperfection of the world wears off, one may begin to recognize that it is in fact the most sensible of all explanations. To appreciate it fully, however, a familiarity with the Gnostic conception of the Godhead is required, both in its original essence as the True God and in its debased manifestation as the false or creator God.

Deity

The Gnostic God concept is more subtle than that of most religions. In its way, it unites and reconciles the recognitions of Monotheism and Polytheism, as well as of Theism, Deism and Pantheism.

In the Gnostic view, there is a true, ultimate and transcendent God, who is beyond all created universes and who never created anything in the sense in which the word “create” is ordinarily understood. While this True God did not fashion or create anything, He (or, It) “emanated” or brought forth from within Himself the substance of all there is in all the worlds, visible and invisible. In a certain sense, it may therefore be true to say that all is God, for all consists of the substance of God. By the same token, it must also be recognized that many portions of the original divine essence have been projected so far from their source that they underwent unwholesome changes in the process. To worship the cosmos, or nature, or embodied creatures is thus tantamount to worshipping alienated and corrupt portions of the emanated divine essence.

The basic Gnostic myth has many variations, but all of these refer to Aeons, intermediate deific beings who exist between the ultimate, True God and ourselves. They, together with the True God, comprise the realm of Fullness (Pleroma) wherein the potency of divinity operates fully. The Fullness stands in contrast to our existential state, which in comparison may be called emptiness.

One of the aeonial beings who bears the name Sophia (“Wisdom”) is of great importance to the Gnostic world view. In the course of her journeyings, Sophia came to emanate from her own being a flawed consciousness, a being who became the creator of the material and psychic cosmos, all of which he created in the image of his own flaw. This being, unaware of his origins, imagined himself to be the ultimate and absolute God. Since he took the already existing divine essence and fashioned it into various forms, he is also called the Demiurgos or “half-maker” There is an authentic half, a true deific component within creation, but it is not recognized by the half-maker and by his cosmic minions, the Archons or “rulers”.

The Human Being

Human nature mirrors the duality found in the world: in part it was made by the false creator God and in part it consists of the light of the True God. Humankind contains a perishable physical and psychic component, as well as a spiritual component which is a fragment of the divine essence. This latter part is often symbolically referred to as the “divine spark”. The recognition of this dual nature of the world and of the human being has earned the Gnostic tradition the epithet of “dualist”.

Humans are generally ignorant of the divine spark resident within them. This ignorance is fostered in human nature by the influence of the false creator and his Archons, who together are intent upon keeping men and women ignorant of their true nature and destiny. Anything that causes us to remain attached to earthly things serves to keep us in enslavement to these lower cosmic rulers. Death releases the divine spark from its lowly prison, but if there has not been a substantial work of Gnosis undertaken by the soul prior to death, it becomes likely that the divine spark will be hurled back into, and then re-embodied within, the pangs and slavery of the physical world.

Not all humans are spiritual (pneumatics) and thus ready for Gnosis and liberation. Some are earthbound and materialistic beings (hyletics), who recognize only the physical reality. Others live largely in their psyche (psychics). Such people usually mistake the Demiurge for the True God and have little or no awareness of the spiritual world beyond matter and mind.

In the course of history, humans progress from materialistic sensate slavery, by way of ethical religiosity, to spiritual freedom and liberating Gnosis. As the scholar G. Quispel wrote: “The world-spirit in exile must go through the Inferno of matter and the Purgatory of morals to arrive at the spiritual Paradise.” This kind of evolution of consciousness was envisioned by the Gnostics, long before the concept of evolution was known.

Salvation

Evolutionary forces alone are insufficient, however, to bring about spiritual freedom. Humans are caught in a predicament consisting of physical existence combined with ignorance of their true origins, their essential nature and their ultimate destiny. To be liberated from this predicament, human beings require help, although they must also contribute their own efforts.

From earliest times Messengers of the Light have come forth from the True God in order to assist humans in their quest for Gnosis. Only a few of these salvific figures are mentioned in Gnostic scripture; some of the most important are Seth (the third Son of Adam), Jesus, and the Prophet Mani. The majority of Gnostics always looked to Jesus as the principal savior figure (the Soter).

Gnostics do not look to salvation from sin (original or other), but rather from the ignorance of which sin is a consequence. Ignorance -- whereby is meant ignorance of spiritual realities -- is dispelled only by Gnosis, and the decisive revelation of Gnosis is brought by the Messengers of Light, especially by Christ, the Logos of the True God. It is not by His suffering and death but by His life of teaching and His establishing of mysteries that Christ has performed His work of salvation.

The Gnostic concept of salvation, like other Gnostic concepts, is a subtle one. On the one hand, Gnostic salvation may easily be mistaken for an unmediated individual experience, a sort of spiritual do-it-yourself project. Gnostics hold that the potential for Gnosis, and thus, of salvation is present in every man and woman, and that salvation is not vicarious but individual. At the same time, they also acknowledge that Gnosis and salvation can be, indeed must be, stimulated and facilitated in order to effectively arise within consciousness. This stimulation is supplied by Messengers of Light who, in addition to their teachings, establish salvific mysteries (sacraments) which can be administered by apostles of the Messengers and their successors.

One needs also remember that knowledge of our true nature -- as well as other associated realizations -- are withheld from us by our very condition of earthly existence. The True God of transcendence is unknown in this world, in fact He is often called the Unknown Father. It is thus obvious that revelation from on High is needed to bring about salvation. The indwelling spark must be awakened from its terrestrial slumber by the saving knowledge that comes “from without”.

Conduct

If the words “ethics” or “morality” are taken to mean a system of rules, then Gnosticism is opposed to them both. Such systems usually originate with the Demiurge and are covertly designed to serve his purposes. If, on the other hand, morality is said to consist of an inner integrity arising from the illumination of the indwelling spark, then the Gnostic will embrace this spiritually informed existential ethic as ideal.

To the Gnostic, commandments and rules are not salvific; they are not substantially conducive to salvation. Rules of conduct may serve numerous ends, including the structuring of an ordered and peaceful society, and the maintenance of harmonious relations within social groups. Rules, however, are not relevant to salvation; that is brought about only by Gnosis. Morality therefore needs to be viewed primarily in temporal and secular terms; it is ever subject to changes and modifications in accordance with the spiritual development of the individual.

As noted in the discussion above, “hyletic materialists” usually have little interest in morality, while “psychic disciplinarians” often grant to it a great importance. In contrast, “Pneumatic spiritual” persons are generally more concerned with other, higher matters. Different historical periods also require variant attitudes regarding human conduct. Thus both the Manichaean and Cathar Gnostic movements, which functioned in times where purity of conduct was regarded as an issue of high import, responded in kind. The present period of Western culture perhaps resembles in more ways that of second and third century Alexandria. It seems therefore appropriate that Gnostics in our age adopt the attitudes of classical Alexandrian Gnosticism, wherein matters of conduct were largely left to the insight of the individual.

Gnosticism embraces numerous general attitudes toward life: it encourages non-attachment and non-conformity to the world, a “being in the world, but not of the world”; a lack of egotism; and a respect for the freedom and dignity of other beings. Nonetheless, it appertains to the intuition and wisdom of every individual “Gnostic” to distill from these principles individual guidelines for their personal application.

Destiny

When Confucius was asked about death, he replied: “Why do you ask me about death when you do not know how to live?” This answer might easily have been given by a Gnostic. To a similar question posed in the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas, Jesus answered that human beings must come by Gnosis to know the ineffable, divine reality from whence they have originated, and whither they will return. This transcendental knowledge must come to them while they are still embodied on earth.

Death does not automatically bring about liberation from bondage in the realms of the Demiurge. Those who have not attained to a liberating Gnosis while they were in embodiment may become trapped in existence once more. It is quite likely that this might occur by way of the cycle of rebirths. Gnosticism does not emphasize the doctrine of reincarnation prominently, but it is implicitly understood in most Gnostic teachings that those who have not made effective contact with their transcendental origins while they were in embodiment would have to return into the sorrowful condition of earthly life.

In regard to salvation, or the fate of the spirit and soul after death, one needs to be aware that help is available. Valentinus, the greatest of Gnostic teachers, taught that Christ and Sophia await the spiritual man -- the pneumatic Gnostic -- at the entrance of the Pleroma, and help him to enter the bridechamber of final reunion. Ptolemaeus, disciple of Valentinus, taught that even those not of pneumatic status, the psychics, could be redeemed and live in a heavenworld at the entrance of the Pleroma. In the fullness of time, every spiritual being will receive Gnosis and will be united with its higher Self -- the angelic Twin -- thus becoming qualified to enter the Pleroma. None of this is possible, however, without earnest striving for Gnosis.

Gnosis and Psyche: The Depth Psychological Connection

Throughout the twentieth Century the new scientific discipline of depth psychology has gained much prominence. Among the depth psychologists who have shown a pronounced and informed interest in Gnosticism, a place of signal distinction belongs to C. G. Jung. Jung was instrumental in calling attention to the Nag Hammadi library of Gnostic writings in the 1950's because he perceived the outstanding psychological relevance of Gnostic insights.

The noted scholar of Gnosticism, G. Filoramo, wrote: "Jung's reflections had long been immersed in the thought of the ancient Gnostics to such an extent that he considered them the virtual discoverers of 'depth psychology' . . . ancient Gnosis, albeit in its form of universal religion, in a certain sense prefigured, and at the same time helped to clarify, the nature of Jungian spiritual therapy." In the light of such recognitions one may ask: "Is Gnosticism a religion or a psychology?" The answer is that it may very-well be both. Most mythologems found in Gnostic scriptures possess psychological relevance and applicability. For instance the blind and arrogant creator-demiurge bears a close resemblance to the alienated human ego that has lost contact with the ontological Self. Also, the myth of Sophia resembles closely the story of the human psyche that loses its connection with the collective unconscious and needs to be rescued by the Self. Analogies of this sort exist in great profusion.

Many esoteric teachings have proclaimed, "As it is above, so it is below." Our psychological nature (the microcosm) mirrors metaphysical nature (the macrocosm), thus Gnosticism may possess both a psychological and a religious authenticity. Gnostic psychology and Gnostic religion need not be exclusive of one another but may complement each other within an implicit order of wholeness. Gnostics have always held that divinity is immanent within the human spirit, although it is not limited to it. The convergence of Gnostic religious teaching with psychological insight is thus quite understandable in terms of time-honored Gnostic principles.

Conclusion

Some writers make a distinction between “Gnosis” and “Gnosticism”. Such distinctions are both helpful and misleading. Gnosis is undoubtedly an experience based not in concepts and precepts, but in the sensibility of the heart. Gnosticism, on the other hand, is the world-view based on the experience of Gnosis. For this reason, in languages other than English, the word Gnosis is often used to denote both the experience and the world view (die Gnosis in German, la Gnose in French).

In a sense, there is no Gnosis without Gnosticism, for the experience of Gnosis inevitably calls forth a world view wherein it finds its place. The Gnostic world view is experiential, it is based on a certain kind of spiritual experience of Gnosis. Therefore, it will not do to omit, or to dilute, various parts of the Gnostic world view, for were one to do this, the world view would no longer conform to experience.

Theology has been called an intellectual wrapping around the spiritual kernel of a religion. If this is true, then it is also true that most religions are being strangled and stifled by their wrappings. Gnosticism does not run this danger, because its world view is stated in myth rather than in theology. Myths, including the Gnostic myths, may be interpreted in diverse ways. Transcendence, numinosity, as well as psychological archetypes along with other elements, play a role in such interpretation. Still, such mythic statements tell of profound truths that will not be denied.

Gnosticism can bring us such truths with a high authority, for it speaks with the voice of the highest part of the human -- the spirit. Of this spirit, it has been said, “it bloweth where it listeth”. This then is the reason why the Gnostic world view could not be extirpated in spite of many centuries of persecution.

The Gnostic world view has always been timely, for it always responded best to the “knowledge of the heart” that is true Gnosis. Yet today, its timeliness is increasing, for the end of the second millennium has seen the radical deterioration of many ideologies which evaded the great questions and answers addressed by Gnosticism. The clarity, frankness, and authenticity of the Gnostic answer to the questions of the human predicament cannot fail to impress and (in time) to convince. If your reactions to this summary have been of a similarly positive order, then perhaps you are a Gnostic yourself!

+ Stephan A. Hoeller (Tau Stephanus, Gnostic Bishop)

[orlibonurb]

You can't be a Christian without Christ within.

hahahahah

New Ager tannah. You've been so had, it's not even funny.

You can't be a Christian without the Holy Spirit of God (which indwells all true born-again Christians), not without "Christ within". Drop the New Age luciferian teachings, seriously.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104592

also youtube for "Doctrines of Demons - John Ankerberg"

or just google "New Age movement exposed" (16,300,000 results). This is exactly what you're talking about without even realizing it !!!

[orlibonurb]

Many esoteric teachings have proclaimed, "As it is above, so it is below."

Thank you, now read my 1st post again, it's a shame that the picture is gone thou.


http://theformofmoney.blogharbor.com/WitchBaphomet.gif

As above, as below. Gnosticism are doctrines of demons.

In case you missed it, I'll quote again,

“The Goal of Gnostic initiation was, likewise, to bring the lower self into union with the higher self, for, it is when they are made one that enlightenment occurs.” - Iranaues (130-202 CE) and Valentinus (100-180 CE)

“In the World of Briah, in Daath, is the union of god the mother, god the father, but of the union of the feminine aspect of the three, and the masculine aspect of the three.” – Gnostic Kabbalah

"Valentinus, Egyptian religious philosopher, founder of Roman and Alexandrian schools of Gnosticism, a system of religious dualism (belief in rival deities of good and evil) with a doctrine of salvation by gnōsis, or esoteric knowledge." - Encyclopedia Britannica

“Ophite (from Greek ophis, “serpent”), member of any of several Gnostic sects that flourished in the Roman Empire during the 2nd century ad and for several centuries thereafter. Only gnosis, the esoteric knowledge of good and evil, can redeem man from the bonds of matter and make him aware of the *unknown god who is the true source of all being.” – Encyclopedia Britannica

*serpent/Satan

[devyn]

Thank you, now read my 1st post again, it's a shame that the picture is gone thou.


http://theformofmoney.blogharbor.com/WitchBaphomet.gif

As above, as below. Gnosticism are doctrines of demons.

In case you missed it, I'll quote again,

Did you actually read the whole thing or cherry pick that one part?

[orlibonurb]

Doctrines of demons.

Gnosticism even denies SIN hahaha. Love it ! (sarcasm).


1 John {1:10} If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 Corinthians {15:1} Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; {15:2} By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. {15:3} For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; {15:4} And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Of course the Devil and his minions bring these seductive teachings in order to deceive mankind. He's a tricky one, but blatantly obvious since everything he presents is against the Holy Word of the living God. God says we are sinners, God comes down in human form (Jesus Christ) to die for our sins, then what does the Devil brings up ? The denial of sin with occult / esoteric teachings such as gnosticism. SIN IS JUST A MYTH YOU KNOW.

It just goes on and on.

When you know the truth you can't be deceived. Until then, being deceived is in the order of the day.


edit: by the way, that Luciferian / occultic esoteric statement alone (as above, as below - BAPHOMET / SATAN) was enough to give validity to everything I posted in the first page - which was already carefully quoted / sourced in any case (ie. Encyclopedia Britannica / Gnostic Kabbalah). Unless of course you want to argue with those sources, then well - I surrender !

[devyn]

Doctrines of demons.

Gnosticism even denies SIN hahaha. Love it ! (sarcasm).


1 John {1:10} If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


edit: by the way, that Luciferian esoteric statement alone (as above, as below - BAPHOMET / SATAN) was enough to give validity to everything I posted in the first page - which was already carefully quoted / sourced in any case (ie. Encyclopedia Britannica / Gnostic Kabbalah). Unless of course you want to argue with those sources, then well - I surrender !

As above, so below is the same as saying on earth as it is in heaven just like in the Lord's prayer. Does that make the Lord's Prayer a Luciferian esoteric statement too?

[thereisonlywe]

He is praying to an imaginary god. Unfortunately, he is not aware of it yet. We hope he leaves prejudice aside and prays with intimacy.

We don't know what priests told you orli, but it is clear they didn't tell you the truth. Stop guarding them, guard your connection to God. It is the only thing that matters, both for you and for us.

Love&Peace

[tannah]

[QUOTE]hahahahah

New Ager tannah. You've been so had, it's not even funny.

Ha ha ha, dumbo Orli, you still haven't explained how Christ can be a "He". Get to it demon.


You can't be a Christian without the Holy Spirit of God (which indwells all true born-again Christians), not without "Christ within". Drop the New Age luciferian teachings, seriously.

Actually you worship idols, the sun/moon ritual and your sordid ego.




or just google "New Age movement exposed" (16,300,000 results). This is exactly what you're talking about without even realizing it !!!


Why don't you look up "common sense"?

Again, you represent the wishes of those in prideful illusion.

Quit the BS and let's discuss the sexuality of Christ.

[tannah]

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; {15:4} And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

How about that, just like the Inanna(Ishtar)/Dumazi ritual. You worship the ritual of the sun/moon mate.

Christ dies eh? Yeah, you really are so filled with the unholy BS dude. If Christ dies all things cease to exist.

Orli comes onto the shoreline as a "man of Peace" (or wolf in sheeps clothing), the natives say "fuck off idiot", and in come the next wave of murderers. This is for the pregnant women you slaughtered in the bible's name you infertile piece of dried semen.:)

[primordialman]

This is information that helps you understand God. If you deny this, you deny everything you claim to be guarding. We don't expect everyone to understand "The Union Of The Opposites". But for your own benefit, stay away from what you can't understand.


In that case may be we should all stay from conspiracy forums cause it might be to much for us mere plebes, gee i love your elitism mate!

I really dont think you say anything profound at all. Seems you are simply talking about the superficial process of Globalisation and World gov same old same.
Some of us for various reasons will never be part of this oness, you know the poor the homeless the mentallly Ill, the aged, the conspired against by powerfull forces, I suppose you could say i fit into one of these categories. My Indviduality is assured whether I like it or not ONESS doesnt wont me they will either imprison or kill me.:cool:

[orlibonurb]

How about that, just like the Inanna(Ishtar)/Dumazi ritual. You worship the ritual of the sun/moon mate.

Christ dies eh? Yeah, you really are so filled with the unholy BS dude. If Christ dies all things cease to exist.

Orli comes onto the shoreline as a "man of Peace" (or wolf in sheeps clothing), the natives say "fuck off idiot", and in come the next wave of murderers. This is for the pregnant women you slaughtered in the bible's name you infertile piece of dried semen.:)

Yes, He rose again, and He would gladly take your sins and give you a new heart and a new life with the tremendous regenerating help of the Holy Spirit, but if you want to go to hell, that's your choice. Maybe then you'll be able to watch some more "Zeitgeist" with your Father, the Devil while eating some hot & spicey popcorn.

[torus]

It was a hard thing to undo this knot.
The rainbow shines but only in the thought
Of him that looks. Yet not in that alone,
For who makes rainbows by invention?
And many standing round a waterfall
See one bow each, yet not the same to all,
But each a hand's breadth further than the next.
The sun on falling waters writes the text
Which yet is in the eye or in the thought.
It was a hard thing to undo this knot.

Gerard Manley Hopkins, 1862

[measle_weasel]

Gnosticism Exposed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pqx99kTVoo

Wow, thats not a biased video at all, completely objective and neutral :rolleyes:

[devyn]

Orli, why don't you answer post #32?

[tannah]

Yes, He rose again,

And again and again, every 6 months since the ritual was started. But why is the Sun male and the Moon female according to this myth?



and He would gladly take your sins and give you a new heart and a new life with the tremendous regenerating help of the Holy Spirit, but if you want to go to hell, that's your choice.


ooooooooooooh HELL!!! Anyone that knows me knows I didn't live my ego life, and I'm living the life of sharing and putting others before me. In my everyday life you haven't a clue, so why don't you take your hell and petrude it like a turd against your fragilistic ego?

Think language can judge a spirit?



Maybe then you'll be able to watch some more "Zeitgeist" with your Father, the Devil while eating some hot & spicey popcorn.



Pffft. Shallow words from a man whose real resentments are about to explode.

This is what you live for, pronouncing the judgment of hell on people.

Dream on fool. When you get to open up your treasure box in heaven, a jack-in-the-box will pop up and and say "wanker".:D

[tannah]

It was a hard thing to undo this knot.
The rainbow shines but only in the thought
Of him that looks. Yet not in that alone,
For who makes rainbows by invention?
And many standing round a waterfall
See one bow each, yet not the same to all,
But each a hand's breadth further than the next.
The sun on falling waters writes the text
Which yet is in the eye or in the thought.
It was a hard thing to undo this knot.

Gerard Manley Hopkins, 1862

Wow, that's a proper poem.

[kguk]

Christianity stands for the death & resurrection and for the Bible alone. Therefore anything that is not Biblical is not Christian.

What part do you not understand.

To say something is "incorrect", first you have to know what you're talking about.
No offence but your an idiot. The bible was decided by the Council of Nicea, where a group of men decided on the nature of Jesus and the adoption of canon. Athanasius, in his Easter letter drew up a list of 27 Books to be considered canon, other biblical books, which could be considered harmful to the aims and power of the institution known as the church, were to be considered apochrypa. Your bible is based on the intentions of these groups of men. I.e. a man-made decision and not divinely revealed.

[orlibonurb]

No offence but your an idiot. The bible was decided by the Council of Nicea, where a group of men decided on the nature of Jesus and the adoption of canon. Athanasius, in his Easter letter drew up a list of 27 Books to be considered canon, other biblical books, which could be considered harmful to the aims and power of the institution known as the church, were to be considered apochrypa. Your bible is based on the intentions of these groups of men. I.e. a man-made decision and not divinely revealed.


No offence taken coming from an ignorant view on the Council of Nicea or what even happened there.



The Council of Nicea and the canon of scripture
The Council of Nicea and the canon of scripture - YouTube


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Question: "What occurred at the Council of Nicea?"
http://www.gotquestions.org/council-of-Nicea.html

Answer: The Council of Nicea took place in 325 A.D. by the order of the Roman Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine. Nicea was located in Asia Minor, east of Constantinople. At the Council of Nicea, Emperor Constantine presided over a group of Church bishops and leaders with the purpose of defining the true God for all of Christianity and eliminating all the confusion, controversy, and contention within Christ’s church. The Council of Nicea affirmed the deity of Jesus Christ and established an official definition of the Trinity—the deity of The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit under one Godhead, in three co-equal and co-eternal Persons.

Constantine, a converted Christian (debatably), called for a council meeting to be held in Nicea with the bishops of the Christian church to resolve escalating quarrels and controversy mounting to a bitter degree of disunity among the church leadership concerning theological issues. The failing Roman Empire, now under Constantine’s rule, could not withstand the division caused by years of hard-fought, “out of hand” arguing over doctrinal differences. He saw it not only as a threat to Christianity but as a threat to society as well. Therefore, at the Council of Nicea, Constantine demanded that the Christians settle their internal disagreements and become Christ-like agents who could bring new life into a troubled, beaten-down empire. Constantine felt “called” to use his authority to help bring about the unity, peace, and love, all for which Christ stands. He and the bishops had reason to worry about the future survival of Christianity within the Roman world empire, let alone the survival of his world empire. The Council of Nicea, led by Emperor Constantine, was the meeting to settle differences, to become like-minded, all to the glory of Christ.

The main theological issue and focus had always been about Christ. Since the end of the Apostolic Age and beginning of the Church Age, saints began questioning, debating, fighting, and separating over the question, “Who is the Christ?” Is He more divine than human or more human than divine? Was Jesus created / made or begotten? Being the Son of God, is He co-equal and co-eternal with Father God, or less and lower in status than the Father? Is the Father the One and only True God, or are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit the One true God? “True God of True God,” “One Being, Three Persons”, a tri-unity called “Trinity”? Jesus said, “Who do you say that I am?” (Matthew 16:15).

Once the Nicea Council meeting was underway Constantine demanded that the 300 bishops make a decision by majority vote defining who Jesus Christ is. Constantine commanded them to create a “creed” doctrine that all of Christianity would follow and obey, a doctrine that would be called the “Nicene Creed,” upheld by the Church and enforced by the Emperor. The bishops voted to make the full deity of Christ the accepted position for the church. The Council of Nicea voted to make the Trinity the official doctrine of the church. However, the Council of Nicea did not invent these doctrines. Rather, it only recognized what the Bible taught, and systematized the doctrines.

The New Testament taught that Jesus the Messiah should be worshipped and trusted, which was/is to say He is co-equally God and man. The New Testament forbids the worship of angels (Colossians 2:18; Revelation 22:8, 9) but commands worship of Jesus. The Apostle Paul tells us that “in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form” (Colossians 2:9; 1:19). Paul declares Jesus as Lord and the One to whom a person must pray for salvation just as one calls on Jehovah, Yahweh (Joel 2:32; Romans 10:9-13). “Jesus is God overall” (Romans 9:5), and our God and Savior (Titus 2:13). Faith in Jesus’ Deity is basic to Paul’s testimony and theology.

John’s Gospel declares Jesus the be the Divine eternal Logos, agent of creation and source of life and light (John 1:1-5, 9); the "the Way, the Truth, and the Life" (John 14:6); an advocate with heavenly Father (1 John 2:1-2); sovereign (Revelation 1:5); the Rider on a white horse (Revelation 19:11-16); and the totality of the Son of God from the beginning to the end (Revelation 22:13). The author of Hebrews reveals the full deity of Jesus through His perfection as the most high priest, Melchizedek (Hebrews 1; Hebrews 7:1-3), and the full humanity (Hebrews 2). The Divine-human Savior is the Christian's object of faith, hope, and love.

The Council of Nicea did not invent the doctrine of the deity of Christ. Rather, the Council of Nicea affirmed the Apostles' teaching of who Christ is—the One true God in Deity and Trinity with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Recommended Resource: Christianity Through the Centuries by Earle Cairns.


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Question: "Did Constantine decide what books belonged in the Bible?"
http://www.gotquestions.org/constantine-bible.html

Answer: It is very important to clarify exactly what role the Emperor Constantine played in the Council of Nicea, what the purpose for the council was, what happened at Nicea, and briefly how the canon—the Bible as we know it—was formed. Constantine was a Roman Emperor who lived from 274 to 337 A.D. He is most famous for becoming the single ruler of the Roman Empire (after deceiving and defeating Licinius, his brother-in-law) and supposedly converting to Christianity. It is debated whether or not Constantine was actually a believer (according to his confessions and understanding of the faith) or just someone trying to use the church and the faith to his own advantage. Constantine called the Council of Nicea—the first general council of the Christian church, 325 A.D.—primarily because he feared that disputes within the church would cause disorder within the empire. The dispute in mind was Arianism, which was the belief that Jesus was a created being. The famous phrase they were disputing was, "There was when He was not." This was in reference to Jesus and was declared heretical by the council and thus resulted in the following words about Christ in the Nicene Creed: "God from true God…from the Father…not made." It was determined by the council that Christ was homoousia, meaning, one substance with the Father.

Concerning manuscripts that were burned at the order of Constantine, there is really no mention of such a thing actually happening at the order of Constantine or at the Council of Nicea. The Arian party's document claiming Christ to be a created being, was abandoned by them because of the strong resistance to it and was torn to shreds in the sight of everyone present at the council. Constantine, and the Council of Nicea, for that matter, had virtually nothing to do with the forming of the canon. It was not even discussed at Nicea. The council that formed an undisputed decision on the canon took place at Carthage in 397, sixty years after Constantine's death. However, long before Constantine, 21 books were acknowledged by all Christians (the 4 Gospels, Acts, 13 Paul, 1 Peter, 1 John, Revelation). There were 10 disputed books (Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2-3 John, Jude, Ps-Barnabas, Hermas, Didache, Gospel of Hebrews) and several that most all considered heretical—Gospels of Peter, Thomas, Matthaias, Acts of Andrew, John, etc.

Liberal scholars and fictional authors like to purport the idea that the gospels of Thomas and Peter (and other long-disputed books) contain truths that the church vehemently stomped out, but that simply has no basis historically. It is closer to the truth to say that no serious theologians really cared about these books because they were obviously written by people lying about authorship and had little basis in reality. That is one reason why a council declaring the canon was so late in coming (397 AD), because the books that were trusted and the ones that had been handed down were already widely known.

Recommended Resource: Christianity Through the Centuries by Earle Cairns.


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First Council of Nicæa (A.D. 325)
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3801.htm

The Council of Nicaea and the Bible
http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html

[kguk]

Isn't your copy and paste job just reaffirming what i said? Just adding a nice pro-church spin to it.

[kguk]

Apocrypha means hidden. These books were made hidden by the church because they don't fit into their version of Jesus. The fact that some books were included into the canon and others weren't only brings to light that the bible only tells some of the story.
Or just the story the church wants you to know about.

[kguk]

Imagine if Mary Magdalene was the first pope, she who knew Jesus best.

5) Peter said to Mary, Sister we know that the Savior loved you more than the rest of woman.
6) Tell us the words of the Savior which you remember which you know, but we do not, nor have we heard them.
7) Mary answered and said, What is hidden from you I will proclaim to you.
8) And she began to speak to them these words: I, she said, I saw the Lord in a vision and I said to Him, Lord I saw you today in a vision. He answered and said to me,
9) Blessed are you that you did not waver at the sight of Me. For where the mind is there is the treasure.
-the Gospel according to Mary ch.5 5-9

They said to him "Why do you love her more than all of us?" The Savior answered and said to them,"Why do I not love you like her? When a blind man and one who sees are both together in darkness, they are no different from one another. When the light comes, then he who sees will see the light, and he who is blind will remain in darkness." - The Gospel of Philip

Now you see why these books were made Apocrypha (hidden)? Mary saw the light. The church uses Jesus, which is a form of blasphemy right?

[orlibonurb]

Isn't your copy and paste job just reaffirming what i said? Just adding a nice pro-church spin to it.

Quite the opposite, it's showing you factual history how the Council of Nicea did not "decide the Bible" as you so eloquently stated.

It is the Word of the living God whether you aknowledge it or not. Want prove ? Repent (turn away from) of your sins and ask Jesus into your heart. He'll give a completely new life free from the bondage of sin, as we see below,

2 Corinthians {5:17} Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. {5:18} And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Then you can check the fact that the Bible is ~25% prophetic stating everything before it happens (thousands of years before alot of times). It's quite interesting since it has more to say about our specific generation than everything else combined ! But that is up to you of course.

End of the day, Jesus absolutely adores you more than everyone else in your life combined.

[thereisonlywe]

End of the day, Jesus absolutely adores you more than everyone else in your life combined.

He can't without the will of God.

Love&Peace

[orlibonurb]

He can't without the will of God.

Love&Peace

Jesus is God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit.

Not a prophet as the devilish quran states.