Freeman as religeous status is the answer

[scottmurray]

IT TAKES TEN THOUSAND signed up members of any old shit and a wee bit of paperwork to become an official religeon,then when they fuck with you its persecution...OFFICIALY with the international community .
DID YOU KNOW THAT THE AUTHORITIES HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO OPEN UP STONEHENGE ON SOLSTICE.
I think its about time for some new blood and new ideas in the movemnet dont you .......

[tien an]

IT TAKES TEN THOUSAND signed up members of any old shit and a wee bit of paperwork to become an official religeon,then when they fuck with you its persecution...OFFICIALY with the international community .
DID YOU KNOW THAT THE AUTHORITIES HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO OPEN UP STONEHENGE ON SOLSTICE.
I think its about time for some new blood and new ideas in the movemnet dont you .......

I would agree with you, but at the moment the movement is open to any and all, of religious denomination or atheist...the potential to block the membership of many, many men and women is there if the movement becomes a religion.

Besides, in my experience, as soon as religion becomes organised, the whole shebang is open to interpretation and corruption of ideals.

Shouldn't religion be a personal matter?

You're quite right though...it would solve a lot of problems.

tian an.

[yozhik]

Always good to think outside the box!

Hmmm ... two issues spring immediately to mind;
1. by subscribing to this definition, does it mean you validate the authority?
2. would this then risk the vehement opponents labelling it a 'religious cult'? ... which takes me immediately to the travesty of Waco.

It is certainly worthy of exploration, but is it achieving the desired goals?
Or merely avoiding some obstacles by exchanging them for others?

... but at least some one is thinking outside the box :)

[scottmurray]

nonsense freemasonry welcomes from all denominations
it dont matter who says what about you if you got ten k members then you can ONLY be touched by common laws.

[merlincove]

Nice idea scott, have you a link that says for certain that to make a religion all that is needed is for 10,000 people?

i seem to recall at the the last census that there was some talk of people putting 'Jedi' into the 'religion' section of the document and that 'Jedid' could become an actual religion if 10k people said they were Jedi's..... and that such was an urban myth.

i feel that there would perhaps need to be a common goal and set perameters in place to begin with, and that a belief in a 'blessed soul' at the very least, if not 'A' God, would need to be a requisite - religion needs a fugure head, a focal point, a core and essential belief.

[britishnick]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/10/09/jedi_knights_achieve_official_recognition/

"Jedi Knight is not officially recognised as a religion.

However, looking at it another way, neither is any other religion. We imagine there are a few followers of Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism but the National Statistics office will not provide recognition of them officially. It's job is simply to identify the number of people in the UK that have given a particular answer to a particular question."

Good idea, but I don't think it'[s suitable. I thought the whole idea was to be a FREE MAN, not subscribing to particular beief system.

FREEMAN to me is about educating myself as to the workings of various external systems that I find myself having to operate in, in order that I can make informed choices with a full understanding of their consequences.


re⋅li⋅gion
  /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

[entheogen]

Do organised religions not need to 'register' with the government in order to be eligible for tax exemption ? :rolleyes:

On a serious note ;

I believe that very act of registration hands over control to the PTB

Which is probably the reason why organised religion is towing the line

Christian churches register with the diocese for example - who pull the strings

Basically the community pay for the churches to be built and for the upkeep of them

If any structural work or repair needs doing to the church - the diocese must evaluate (at a cost) and then they decide who gets the contract for the work

The community also pay the vicar and his fat pension

Then the diocese can decide not to replace a vicar in a parish and then they claim ownership of the church / vicarage etc and very often sell them off - keeping all of the proceeds for themselves and the community get diddly squat in return

All sounds a bit familiar this doesnt it ?

[scottmurray]

this is how put on huge parties here in west wales as"pagans"on pagan festivals unobstructed and above the statutes,its a human right you know
its been going on for years and years. the biggest problem is the self interest type people that in truth dont really want change they just want reasons to fight for the "next cause" and im afraid i suspect THIS MOVEMENT has plenty of those.

[tien an]

this is how put on huge parties here in west wales as"pagans"on pagan festivals unobstructed and above the statutes,its a human right you know
its been going on for years and years. the biggest problem is the self interest type people that in truth dont really want change they just want reasons to fight for the "next cause" and im afraid i suspect THIS MOVEMENT has plenty of those.

No; now I disagree with you, scottmurray.
I see your point and I think I know the type you mean, but I don't see any here.

If this 'fight' gets out into the open, it risks tearing modern civilisation, as we know it, to shreds.
The movement seems to be growing slowly (it's no wonder; it's not a pretty prospect, tearing what we know apart and starting again) and there are many with a vested interest in keeping things just the way they are.

This particular movement, in my humble opinion is not / will not fight the 'next cause' but the cause.

All the more reason to remain honourable, and stick to the immutable, (God-given, if you wish), fundamentals of law.

tian an.

[max6674]

Isnt this where the Census comes into play?

If they get 10,000 or more people saying that they are FMOTL as a religion then it will have to be recognised as one, the only thing is... who is going to be the leader :D

[h2pogo]

Are religions obliged to have leaders?

[yozhik]

In my opinion, even considering FOTL as a 'religion' is erroneous.

[h2pogo]

In my opinion, even considering FOTL as a 'religion' is erronoeus.

completely agree..i had to look up erronoeus though..
thanks i learnt a new word this morning..

[yozhik]

completely agree..i had to look up erronoeus though..
thanks i learnt a new word this morning..

Errr ... erroneous.

Sorry for the typo. :)

[max6674]

Are religions obliged to have leaders?

Then who do you worship? Thats the idea of a religion.

[h2pogo]

Then who do you worship? Thats the idea of a religion.

I worship every thing that is and what intended it to be and the intent that intended that intent..
so i suppose conciseness is my leader.
how can my religion have a leader if every one was intent on leading themselves..

[scottmurray]

Then who do you worship? Thats the idea of a religion.
um..............our god given freedoms?

[scottmurray]

budhhists do not worship a god do they

[scottmurray]

budhhists do not worship a god do they
and freemasons can worship any god they like

[yozhik]

This is the second time you've mentioned freemasons.
and freemasons can worship any god they like
nonsense freemasonry welcomes from all denominations
it dont matter who says what about you if you got ten k members then you can ONLY be touched by common laws.





What is the relevance?

[scottmurray]

well i thought that was self explanitory AND i categorically am not a freemason so do not go there or do i dont really care This is the second time you've mentioned freemasons.







What is the relevance?

[max6674]

budhhists do not worship a god do they


Oops.. I stand corrected. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_do_Buddhists_worship


I would join then, I just didnt like the idea of having to have to pray to someone I didnt believe in..

[scottmurray]

i only know cos i am one well sort of anyway changed my life from being a lunatic to reasonably humble.

Oops.. I stand corrected. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_do_Buddhists_worship


I would join then, I just didnt like the idea of having to have to pray to someone I didnt believe in..

[girlgye]

IT TAKES TEN THOUSAND signed up members of any old shit and a wee bit of paperwork to become an official religeon,then when they fuck with you its persecution...OFFICIALY with the international community .
DID YOU KNOW THAT THE AUTHORITIES HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO OPEN UP STONEHENGE ON SOLSTICE.
I think its about time for some new blood and new ideas in the movemnet dont you .......

Well I'd rather do battle with an old foe than a new one working for the govt.

[girlgye]

Bless you Scott.
You've got some great ideas, a way in with the Giant Reptilian Companies of this Country and all the answers.

I'd set up a non secular site. Get to it. All you have to do is give Veronica John and Dave a mention and you're cooking :D

[scottmurray]

is that it mate i spoke to verokika a few years ago and thought she was a crank.do us a favour dont patronise my intelligence with the bless you and great ideas speech.
Have you ever considered that until we start with our own business industry we will be just like the whineing hippies of the sixties doing nothing but moan and progress to fuck all and to be honest yopu could be one of the vain purveyours of such a heinous crime.


Bless you Scott.
You've got some great ideas, a way in with the Giant Reptilian Companies of this Country and all the answers.

I'd set up a non secular site. Get to it. All you have to do is give Veronica John and Dave a mention and you're cooking :D

[girlgye]

Are you from Hebden Bridge by any chance?

Is this Mike?
Hey now steady on. Your mate Justin Walker. A bloody fast and prodigious business man by the looks of things gives our vern a mention.

[scottmurray]

sorry i am lost
my name is my name its not a psuedo name
im from bristol and now live in west wales.
i am a well know publisher of business magazines
have owned 3 radio stations
and several record labels of varying sucess
and one of bristols best know pissheads now sober
thats me
what about you girl im dying to know




Are you from Hebden Bridge by any chance?

Is this Mike?
Hey now steady on. Your mate Justin Walker. A bloody fast and prodigious business man by the looks of things gives our vern a mention.

[girlgye]

Ah well you sound my type of guy!

hahahahhahahahahahahahahah,:D
I love brilly.
Shall we meet up some time?

[girlgye]

Do you know Adrian and Mark? My favourite bristolian sound machines.

[scottmurray]

Do you know Adrian and Mark? My favourite bristolian sound machines.
you are talking of mr vowles i presume ?yes?

[max6674]

sorry i am lost
my name is my name its not a psuedo name
im from bristol and now live in west wales.
i am a well know publisher of business magazines
have owned 3 radio stations
and several record labels of varying sucess
and one of bristols best know pissheads now sober
thats me
what about you girl im dying to know

She thinks that I am someone else also? Madness, pure madness :D

[asky]

just learn to ignore her

asky