Jesus?

[gods sun]

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/eit_171/512/latest.jpg

[quetzalcoatl]

Or false idol???

[dragond]

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/eit_171/512/latest.jpg

eh? where? am i missing something here??


D

[actaeons_revenge]

Pretty....

[exclamatio]

very pretty picture, but i've got no idea what it is :)

[newworldengineer]

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/eit_171/512/latest.jpg

Just wondering if this will bring up the picture link again...

[newworldengineer]

I can see it now :)

I think we're looking at my new desktop background :cool:

[dragond]

isnt that the sun pictured with a blue lens?


D

[oioioi]

What's his user name on here?

[gods sun]

nobody see the crown thrones and nose? :)

[flickflack]

nobody see the crown thrones and nose? :)

It seems to look more like a woman's face. I see femininity.

[Mo0n5tar]

I see a giant ball of gas?

http://www.crystalrider.com/randomcrap/j1.jpg

[nectars]

nobody see the crown thrones and nose? :)

You know those funny looking little perforated peices of paper you found and ate this morning -the ones with the *cute* little pictures on them.... :D

[ronisron]

That is exactly what Jesus represents... the Sun, of God.

A long time ago, ancient cultures thought the sun died on Winter Solstice, and was reborn after three days of praying and partying, to begin it's ascent again, until it was it's strongest, on the day of the Summer Solstice. Three days after Winter Solstice, they prayed for the birth of the Sun, their God.

Jesus is a humanization of the Sun.

[edelweiss pirate]

Actually you're looking at God.

[nectars]

Actually you're looking at God.

http://lolthulhu.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/thecubist-i_see_what_you.gif

[Mo0n5tar]

Actually you're looking at God.

You a sun worshipper then?

[Mo0n5tar]

http://lolthulhu.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/thecubist-i_see_what_you.gif

Is that Gods arsehole?

[bones]

Is that Gods arsehole?

puckered starfish? rusty sheriffs badge? brown nut? i can think of more.

[edelweiss pirate]

You a sun worshipper then?

I'm a God worshipper.

The sun is the visible embodiment of God. It gives life, light and energy.

Light is the divine medium.

There's much more to the electromagnetic spectrum than is told in school science books.

[fekdemasons]

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/eit_171/512/latest.jpg

yes I can see it , I also see some greys in there toward the south...

[Mo0n5tar]

I'm a God worshipper.

The sun is the visible embodiment of God. It gives life, light and energy.

Light is the divine medium.


Does the sun bring light to all these Galaxies and Solar systems?:
http://www.centauri-dreams.org/wp-content/images/thumb-hubble_galaxies.jpg

Some simplistic tribes in the gobi desert or something might still think the Sun is god but how can God be born and die? From Mum God and Dad God?

[edelweiss pirate]

Does the sun bring light to all these Galaxies and Solar systems?:
http://www.centauri-dreams.org/wp-content/images/thumb-hubble_galaxies.jpg

Some simplistic tribes in the gobi desert or something might still think the Sun is god but how can God be born and die? From Mum God and Dad God?

Light exists in a quantum paradigm. It only exists if it is perceived. Light is the motor of all life and all energy.

By the way you're asking the wrong questions. Change your preconceptions and open your mind and the truth will be waiting for you.

[nectars]

Does the sun bring light to all these Galaxies and Solar systems?:
http://www.centauri-dreams.org/wp-content/images/thumb-hubble_galaxies.jpg

Some simplistic tribes in the gobi desert or something might still think the Sun is god but how can God be born and die? From Mum God and Dad God?

Look into Nassim Harameins work for the scientific side. Its something I suspected before I even heard of the guy, but if his(and others) work in the newer advanced physics is correct, in that theres a singularity at the centre of this Galaxy(which there is) and also the Sun, this Planet and the Human Heart,(Edit: should have mentioned this continues through atoms, subatomic particles etc) then yes, those Galaxies are not only interconnected but could exist and occupy the same space as every other one in existence.

As above so Below.

In a sense, God dies for and is resurected through man(His creation) that man might know himself to be God. Man curcifies himself on the World that he may know his inherent Christ consciousness and become one with His Living Father. The rememberance of Who He Really Is.

Consider space to be the mother(that which gives birth) and matter(which inpregnates the mother/space) to be the Father(not the "Living Father" or God). God is the essence of both; the masculine and feminine unity.

This is not exactly how I see it but as far as articulation goes it will suffice for now.

[innerlight]

Light exists in a quantum paradigm. It only exists if it is perceived. Light is the motor of all life and all energy.

By the way you're asking the wrong questions. Change your preconceptions and open your mind and the truth will be waiting for you.

so, that means "darkness" only exists if percieved then?

[radio illuminati]

I have seen God and felt true love. The strange thing is that God looks like the sun and the beams of light was shining with True love.

I don't know why?

like this without the orange and yellow. It came out of total darkness and first it was a tiny dot that became bigger and bigger and the true love felt strong and stronger till I had to stop looking. To much true love for me to handle:
http://www.psy.ritsumei.ac.jp/~akitaoka/sun.jpg

[edelweiss pirate]

so, that means "darkness" only exists if percieved then?

Why do some people insist on saying stupid things?

I didn't say that did I? I said the 'light'.

Darkness exists as the background to this cosmos, the light comes into it from another source. As energy is locked into atoms but exists as limitless energetic potential, this energy only materialises when atoms are split. Otherwise the energy exists in order to maintain the form of the object. Eg the wooden table.

Everything is energy. Everything. This is what Jesus meant when he said 'pick up a stone and you will find me there'.

[innerlight]

Why do some people insist on saying stupid things?

I didn't say that did I? I said the 'light'.

Darkness exists as the background to this cosmos, the light comes into it from another source. As energy is locked into atoms but exists as limitless energetic potential, this energy only materialises when atoms are split. Otherwise the energy exists in order to maintain the form of the object. Eg the wooden table.

Everything is energy. Everything. This is what Jesus meant when he said 'pick up a stone and you will find me there'.

please forgive me errr "us" for not speaking up to your highly educated level of understanding Professor Pirate. I will certainly try harder next time :)

Didn't this Jesus you often quote to make various points say something about "throwing stones"? Surely you, as the most educated of sages on this Forum, can quickly refer everyone to that story?

[darkman]

at the end of the day the sun is the sun, man are the gods of it and the earth is the goddess , this is the trinity the sun of god on earth , simples, its just bin labled up so meny different ways over the 2000yr of religious history, yes the sun give us light and energy , we chose our of divine path in life and we live from the earth energy, ( holy spirit if you like )
if you want to live in darkness of your fear than that your ego thats been conditioned to by the mass

[edelweiss pirate]

at the end of the day the sun is the sun, man are the gods of it and the earth is the goddess , this is the trinity the sun of god on earth , simples, its just bin labled up so meny different ways over the 2000yr of religious history, yes the sun give us light and energy , we chose our of divine path in life and we live from the earth energy, ( holy spirit if you like )
if you want to live in darkness of your fear than that your ego thats been conditioned to by the mass

Hi Darkman

Man is not God of the sun, it is the other way around.

The sun is where our souls return to when we die, that is if we're lucky, otherwise we end up stuck here without the energy and insight to return and our memory is eventually dissolved until we find our energy recyled in another incarnation and we experience a second death and great forgetfulness.

[anthony1965]

This thread fits very, very well with something I posted today. Bear in mind that I had not seen this thread. I just "happen" to be reading a lot about aetheric energy recently and I think it was yesterday I thought of the description of Jesus as snow white with hair like wool.

Here is my post in the original context.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058642949&postcount=72

Quote:
Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate
Lucifer has fire but not light. It's a kind of force and brightness, but it lacks the healing nourishing and subtle energetic properties of light.

It's a false enlightenment. It's all mentioned in the Gnostic gospels.

BTW Third wave is confused because he sees things only from the traditional Christian viewpoint. So we always get this Christian centric viewpoint from him, which is ironic considering he utterly rejects it.... However his thoughts are still moulded by the Christian paradigm, more particularly the Old Testament. He hasn't actually read enough to know that Jahweh, the devil, the archons, the watchers and the whole crew are false Gods.

The only true God has no name. It just IS. It is goodness, light, peace, forgiveness, grace, hope. It is more like a feeling than a bearded man. It is Light.

Close your eyes, still your thoughts and look up into the sun....

How do you feel? Something 'washes' into you.... Free of fear, pain, feeling only love and gratitude for the god given gift of life and consciousness.

Rudolf Steiner distinguishes between Lucifer on one extreme and Ahriman/Satan on the other. My understanding of Lucifer as defined by Steiner is very much in the way you describe here:

Lucifer has fire but not light. It's a kind of force and brightness, but it lacks the healing nourishing and subtle energetic properties of light. It's a false enlightenment.

And Ahriman / Satan on the other, which I would summarize as excessive focus on materialism and a negation of the spirit.

Luciferians want to play God. Satanists want to deny God. ** Not all satanists/materialists are truly satanists. They may be deceiptful luciferians

In the middle is Christ. A balance between these two forces.

What you write here is very interesting:

The only true God has no name. It just IS. It is goodness, light, peace, forgiveness, grace, hope. It is more like a feeling than a bearded man. It is Light. Close your eyes, still your thoughts and look up into the sun....
How do you feel? Something 'washes' into you.... Free of fear, pain, feeling only love and gratitude for the god given gift of life and consciousness

What you describe here as light is the aether!

Steiner spoke of Jesus Christ returning not as a reincarnated being, but as an aetheric force. ** I'm not here to promote Rudolf Steiner, but his work contains some amazing insights.

I'm currently reading Nikola Tesla's description of the aether and aetheric physics. Incredible stuff. Superluminal, filled with energy, information and coming from not just the sun, but all planets, stars and God knows what.

Matter from consciousness?

Matter as the lowest from of vibration?

And the aether as the highest?

Is the aether, chi, prana, orgone the Holy Spirit?

Jesus said that blaspheming the Holy Spirit / Aether was the worst sin. I would interpret this as rejecting the natural order, the natural power of creation. ** I often say that simple, natural, uncomplicated people are closest to God.

The amazing discoveries of Nikola Tesla regarding the aether are for me another confirmation that our official definition of physics is intentionally limited. Anyone who has understanding of and control of the aether would have incredible, unbelievable powers, including the transformation of matter. See HAARP, chemtrails, the Norwegian Spiral, CERN, vaccines, fluoride, etc. in this context.

We, the masses, the cattle, are to be denied the light (holy spirit, aether) while the elite try to tap it for themselves.

** Jesus is described as being white as snow. Tesla described pure aether as white. Steiner described the aetheric Christ.

** Steiner links Lucifer to technology, especially electricity. We are living in an electromagnetic age. The phoney light, not the true aetheric light.

[edelweiss pirate]

This thread fits very, very well with something I posted today. Bear in mind that I had not seen this thread. I just "happen" to be reading a lot about aetheric energy recently and I think it was yesterday I thought of the description of Jesus as snow white with hair like wool.

Here is my post in the original context.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058642949&postcount=72

Quote:
Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate
Lucifer has fire but not light. It's a kind of force and brightness, but it lacks the healing nourishing and subtle energetic properties of light.

It's a false enlightenment. It's all mentioned in the Gnostic gospels.

BTW Third wave is confused because he sees things only from the traditional Christian viewpoint. So we always get this Christian centric viewpoint from him, which is ironic considering he utterly rejects it.... However his thoughts are still moulded by the Christian paradigm, more particularly the Old Testament. He hasn't actually read enough to know that Jahweh, the devil, the archons, the watchers and the whole crew are false Gods.

The only true God has no name. It just IS. It is goodness, light, peace, forgiveness, grace, hope. It is more like a feeling than a bearded man. It is Light.

Close your eyes, still your thoughts and look up into the sun....

How do you feel? Something 'washes' into you.... Free of fear, pain, feeling only love and gratitude for the god given gift of life and consciousness.

Rudolf Steiner distinguishes between Lucifer on one extreme and Ahriman/Satan on the other. My understanding of Lucifer as defined by Steiner is very much in the way you describe here:

Lucifer has fire but not light. It's a kind of force and brightness, but it lacks the healing nourishing and subtle energetic properties of light. It's a false enlightenment.

And Ahriman / Satan on the other, which I would summarize as excessive focus on materialism and a negation of the spirit.

Luciferians want to play God. Satanists want to deny God. ** Not all satanists/materialists are truly satanists. They may be deceiptful luciferians

In the middle is Christ. A balance between these two forces.

What you write here is very interesting:

The only true God has no name. It just IS. It is goodness, light, peace, forgiveness, grace, hope. It is more like a feeling than a bearded man. It is Light. Close your eyes, still your thoughts and look up into the sun....
How do you feel? Something 'washes' into you.... Free of fear, pain, feeling only love and gratitude for the god given gift of life and consciousness

What you describe here as light is the aether!

Steiner spoke of Jesus Christ returning not as a reinarnated being, but as an aetheric force. ** I'm not here to promote Rudolf Steiner, but work contains some amazing insights.

I'm currently reading Nikola Tesla's description of the aether and aetheric physics. Incredible stuff. Superluminal, filled with energy, information and coming from not just the sun, but all planets, stars and God knows what.

Matter from consciousness?

Matter as the lowest from of vibration?

And the aether as the highest?

Is the aether, chi, prana, orgone the Holy Spirit?

Jesus said that blaspheming the Holy Spirit / Aether was the worst sin. I would interpret this as rejecting the natural order, the natural power of creation. ** I often say that simple, natural, uncomplicated people are closest to God.

The amazing discoveries of Nikola Tesla regarding the aether are for me another confirmation that our official definition of physics is intentionally limited. Anyone who has understanding of and control of the aether would have incredible, unbelievable powers, including the transformation of matter. See HAARP, chemtrails, the Norwegian Spiral, CERN, vaccines, fluoride, etc. in this context.

We, the masses, the cattle, are to be denied the light (holy spirit, aether) while the elite try to tap it for themselves.

** Jesus is described as being white as snow. Tesla described pure aether as white. Steiner described the aetheric Christ.

** Steiner links Lucifer to technology, especially electricity. We are living in an electromagnetic age. The phoney light, not the true aetheric light.

Awesome post. You have tied up many loose ends and connected the dots in an admirable fashion.... I've never really heard if Rudolf Steiner, thanks for alerting me to their knowledge.

[beldazar]

I think Jesus is the pineal gland, "through the son/sun to the father", the gateway, the inner sun.

[edelweiss pirate]

I think Jesus is the pineal gland, "through the son/sun to the father", the gateway, the inner sun.

You're right and wrong at the same time.

How do you pull that off.

It's a shame about you pagan types, you're so close to the truth but you always spoil it by saying something daft like: Jesus is a mushroom, or Jesus is the pineal gland, or Jesus didn't exist.

[beldazar]

You're right and wrong at the same time.

How do you pull that off.

It's a shame about you pagan types, you're so close to the truth but you always spoil it by saying something daft like: Jesus is a mushroom, or Jesus is the pineal gland, or Jesus didn't exist.

Pagan types? Who says Im a pagan?
And anyway..Jesus is a mushroom.......this opens up the pineal gland, the way to jesus

Excuse me for having my own point of view :rolleyes:

[edelweiss pirate]

Pagan types? Who says Im a pagan?
And anyway..Jesus is a mushroom.......this opens up the pineal gland, the way to jesus

Excuse me for having my own point of view :rolleyes:

I find that comments like that lead people to deny the existence of Jesus as a real man.

Those people should have more faith in human potential.

[marpat]

I think Jesus is the pineal gland, "through the son/sun to the father", the gateway, the inner sun.

In modern kabbalah that is actually the heart, tipareth, beauty

[beldazar]

In modern kabbalah that is actually the heart, tipareth, beauty

not long back I read somewhere about the merging together of all the chakra's, that makes a bit more sense :)

[eternal1stparty]

This thread fits very, very well with something I posted today. Bear in mind that I had not seen this thread. I just "happen" to be reading a lot about aetheric energy recently and I think it was yesterday I thought of the description of Jesus as snow white with hair like wool.

Here is my post in the original context.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058642949&postcount=72

Quote:
Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate
Lucifer has fire but not light. It's a kind of force and brightness, but it lacks the healing nourishing and subtle energetic properties of light.

It's a false enlightenment. It's all mentioned in the Gnostic gospels.

BTW Third wave is confused because he sees things only from the traditional Christian viewpoint. So we always get this Christian centric viewpoint from him, which is ironic considering he utterly rejects it.... However his thoughts are still moulded by the Christian paradigm, more particularly the Old Testament. He hasn't actually read enough to know that Jahweh, the devil, the archons, the watchers and the whole crew are false Gods.

The only true God has no name. It just IS. It is goodness, light, peace, forgiveness, grace, hope. It is more like a feeling than a bearded man. It is Light.

Close your eyes, still your thoughts and look up into the sun....

How do you feel? Something 'washes' into you.... Free of fear, pain, feeling only love and gratitude for the god given gift of life and consciousness.

Rudolf Steiner distinguishes between Lucifer on one extreme and Ahriman/Satan on the other. My understanding of Lucifer as defined by Steiner is very much in the way you describe here:

Lucifer has fire but not light. It's a kind of force and brightness, but it lacks the healing nourishing and subtle energetic properties of light. It's a false enlightenment.

And Ahriman / Satan on the other, which I would summarize as excessive focus on materialism and a negation of the spirit.

Luciferians want to play God. Satanists want to deny God. ** Not all satanists/materialists are truly satanists. They may be deceiptful luciferians

In the middle is Christ. A balance between these two forces.

What you write here is very interesting:

The only true God has no name. It just IS. It is goodness, light, peace, forgiveness, grace, hope. It is more like a feeling than a bearded man. It is Light. Close your eyes, still your thoughts and look up into the sun....
How do you feel? Something 'washes' into you.... Free of fear, pain, feeling only love and gratitude for the god given gift of life and consciousness

What you describe here as light is the aether!

Steiner spoke of Jesus Christ returning not as a reinarnated being, but as an aetheric force. ** I'm not here to promote Rudolf Steiner, but work contains some amazing insights.

I'm currently reading Nikola Tesla's description of the aether and aetheric physics. Incredible stuff. Superluminal, filled with energy, information and coming from not just the sun, but all planets, stars and God knows what.

Matter from consciousness?

Matter as the lowest from of vibration?

And the aether as the highest?

Is the aether, chi, prana, orgone the Holy Spirit?

Jesus said that blaspheming the Holy Spirit / Aether was the worst sin. I would interpret this as rejecting the natural order, the natural power of creation. ** I often say that simple, natural, uncomplicated people are closest to God.

The amazing discoveries of Nikola Tesla regarding the aether are for me another confirmation that our official definition of physics is intentionally limited. Anyone who has understanding of and control of the aether would have incredible, unbelievable powers, including the transformation of matter. See HAARP, chemtrails, the Norwegian Spiral, CERN, vaccines, fluoride, etc. in this context.

We, the masses, the cattle, are to be denied the light (holy spirit, aether) while the elite try to tap it for themselves.

** Jesus is described as being white as snow. Tesla described pure aether as white. Steiner described the aetheric Christ.

** Steiner links Lucifer to technology, especially electricity. We are living in an electromagnetic age. The phoney light, not the true aetheric light.


What an great great post, it ties up many loose ends and answers many questions that I've been pondering for quite some time.


Good day and go with god my friend.


Sincerely, Michael

[michael christopher]

I see Satan's face. :(

[marpat]

not long back I read somewhere about the merging together of all the chakra's, that makes a bit more sense :)

There are different methods. Some invovle imagining them shattering so that you dont become limited by them

In kabbalah there is a direct link between the heart centre and the highest spirit. In christian terms you could see the highest point as God the father, the heart being jesus, and the path that carries the light into jesus as being the holy spirit.

[magenta_moonshadow]

Light exists in a quantum paradigm. It only exists if it is perceived.

.

Nope. Switch a torch on and leave it in a cupboard for a few days. Your batteries will be dead, whether you perceived the light or not...:D

[beldazar]

There are different methods. Some invovle imagining them shattering so that you dont become limited by them
In kabbalah there is a direct link between the heart centre and the highest spirit. In christian terms you could see the highest point as God the father, the heart being jesus, and the path that carries the light into jesus as being the holy spirit.

Interesting post, thanks Marpat :)

[magenta_moonshadow]

Does the sun bring light to all these Galaxies and Solar systems?:
http://www.centauri-dreams.org/wp-content/images/thumb-hubble_galaxies.jpg

No, each of those galaxies is made from millions of suns of their own.

[edelweiss pirate]

Nope. Switch a torch on and leave it in a cupboard for a few days. Your batteries will be dead, whether you perceived the light or not...:D


You've set an eletrical connection, therefore electricity will run in the circuit. But the light itself will not travel anywhere because nobody is there to perceive it.


Open your mind a little wider and remember the holographic nature of the universe.

How can something be seen when noone is there to see it?


You should have learned this in school to be honest.

Every school kid does the defraction grating experiment, this experiment actually proves that light behaves how it is measured to behave. Measure light in a different way and it will change its behaviour to conform to the observer. Wave particle duality etc.

The battery will be dead but noone saw the light! So it won't exist, only, as you say, as a flat battery. This is what Quantumn physics is all about. The Schroedinger's cat paradigm which exists in two states simultaneously, both alive and dead. It is only the fact of observing that makes something real. When the box is opened and the cat is perceived to be either dead or definitely alive. It's screwy science but I like it.

[flickflack]

How can something be seen when noone is there to see it?



Good point. Just because there wasn't anyone there to see it, doesn't mean that it wasn't visible. ;)

[magenta_moonshadow]

You've set an eletrical connection, therefore electricity will run in the circuit. But the light itself will not travel anywhere because nobody is there to perceive it.


Open your mind a little wider and remember the holographic nature of the universe.

How can something be seen when noone is there to see it?


You should have learned this in school to be honest.

Every school kid does the defraction grating experiment, this experiment actually proves that light behaves how it is measured to behave. Measure light in a different way and it will change its behaviour to conform to the observer. Wave particle duality etc.

The battery will be dead but noone saw the light! So it won't exist, only, as you say, as a flat battery. This is what Quantumn physics is all about. The Schroedinger's cat paradigm which exists in two states simultaneously, both alive and dead. It is only the fact of observing that makes something real. When the box is opened and the cat is perceived to be either dead or definitely alive. It's screwy science but I like it.

Yeah, I know the Schroedinger's cat stuff, and I've always liked the 'screwy science', too ...:D But I'm not sure about the 'nothing can exist if nobody can see it' stuff. It's a metaphysical exercise. If you leave your telly on and nip out to the shops, do you believe that your screen goes blank when you close the door behind you, just because you're not there to see it?:)

[michael christopher]

How can something be seen when noone is there to see it?

This reasoning is silly. It's kind of annoying to see people take this question and act like there is no answer to it except that it's not really there.

A tree exists whether I'm looking at it or not. The tree has a conscious aspect that is it's own and it does not need my attention in order to exist. You might say that a tree is different than light, but all matter is just crystalised light anyway.

Things do not need to be observed in order to exist.

[edelweiss pirate]

Yeah, I know the Schroedinger's cat stuff, and I've always liked the 'screwy science', too ...:D But I'm not sure about the 'nothing can exist if nobody can see it' stuff. It's a metaphysical exercise. If you leave your telly on and nip out to the shops, do you believe that your screen goes blank when you close the door behind you, just because you're not there to see it?:)

No, when you leave the room it ceases to exist, assuming there is no one else in the room.

It enters a state of flux, with noone to perceive the room or the television, the illusion of it vanishes.

I've actually seen this flux state. Ironically.

You have to enter an OOBE state to percieve the flux which only becomes ordered by the strength of perception.

[nectars]

In regards to the phenomena of the "observer" and "Schrödinger's cat" experiment, I have to disagree on several instances as outlined on this page here: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89053&highlight=observer&page=4

It quite glaringly ignores several major influencing factors.

[bealert]

its the sun

[edelweiss pirate]

In regards to the phenomena of the "observer" and "Schrödinger's cat" experiment, I have to disagree on several instances as outlined on this page here: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89053&highlight=observer&page=4

It quite glaringly ignores several major influencing factors.

Better get used to it because the next technological leap will be quantum computers.

We already have imaginary numbers in maths btw. Numbers which can't exist but are used anyway.

Science is actually much looser than we think.

[nectars]

Better get used to it because the next technological leap will be quantum computers.

We already have imaginary numbers in maths btw. Numbers which can't exist but are used anyway.

Science is actually much looser than we think.

Yehh I know... buggers just bury it if it doesn't agree with what their personally trying to do :rolleyes:

As the man points out...

Bill Hicks - It's Just A Ride - YouTube

Every schoolkid(including my own) should have to watch that at least 10 times per day until it sinks in lol

[flickflack]

Better get used to it because the next technological leap will be quantum computers.

We already have imaginary numbers in maths btw. Numbers which can't exist but are used anyway.

Science is actually much looser than we think.

The problem with quantum computers is that they may be too good with numbers, imposing some serious issues against RSA encryption when the numbers are supposed to be outnumbered.

[edelweiss pirate]

The problem with quantum computers is that they may be too good with numbers, imposing some serious issues against RSA encryption when the numbers are supposed to be outnumbered.

Interesting.....

[magenta_moonshadow]

No, when you leave the room it ceases to exist, assuming there is no one else in the room.

It enters a state of flux, with noone to perceive the room or the television, the illusion of it vanishes.

I've actually seen this flux state. Ironically.

You have to enter an OOBE state to percieve the flux which only becomes ordered by the strength of perception.

Right - hypothetically, then, at what level of perception by another party does it vanish? If your dog is in the room with the telly, does the dog vanish, too? Or does the dog count as an observer? What about a pet goldfish, hamster or stick insect? Would a stick insect count as an observer, or does our twiggy-looking friend get fluxed, too?:D

What if you set up a cctv in your living room, go out, nobody is watching the footage 'live', and you don't watch the recording until you get back home...d'you really think your tv, etc, is going to vanish on the recording? :p

Don't tell me the flux doesn't work if there's a webcam / cctv there...that's just a cop-out. :D

[nectars]

Yehh I know... buggers just bury it if it doesn't agree with what their personally trying to do :rolleyes:

As the man points out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUiwTubYu0

Every schoolkid(including my own) should have to watch that at least 10 times per day until it sinks in lol

The amazing disappearing videos again eh.

Edit: Interesting. Its there when quoted :confused:


Bill Hicks - Its just a ride!

[edelweiss pirate]

Right - hypothetically, then, at what level of perception by another party does it vanish? If your dog is in the room with the telly, does the dog vanish, too?

Don't be silly. The dog won't disappear because he has consciousness and perception.

If you have an issue with this science take it up with Einstein.

He did say only 12 people in the world would really understand quantum physics.


If there is no perceptor of a certain reality then there is no reality. It's kind of obvious really.

Remember it is only our brains which create the flux around us into a rational ordered system. Without our brains to perceive something then it simply isn't there, or at least exists in a different, disordered state.


Would a stick insect count as an observer

Yes, but a much more limited observer than the human or the dog. Indeed the dog will perceive things which will have no reality for us, like scents and odours we are not aware of.



What if you set up a cctv in your living room, go out, nobody is watching the footage 'live', and you don't watch the recording until you get back home...d'you really think your tv, etc, is going to vanish on the recording?

The CCTV isn't perceiving anything directly so yes it enters flux until you actually unsramble the digital signal and have it put through your TV so you can watch it.

Your line of questioning is very good but you seem reluctant to allow for the fact that without an observer there is nothing to observe.
Literally. How can there be? For a start different creatures perceive time and light and reality itself totally differently. Flies as we know have a very rapid perception and for them we appear very slow creatures which is why it's so damn hard to squash a fly when it's flying around.

It allways seems to elude you, because we lumber like slow motion video and they just get out of the way.

Birds and insects perceive colours totally differently to us. They see what we don't see.

And so on.

The world of so called reality is only a collection of signals of light which are vibrating, nothing more, it is only when we use our eyes to perceive those signals that we create the illusion of a room or a tv or whatever.

Take the example of the TV. There are TV signals constantly flowing through the air, however it is only when we turn on the TV (which perceives the signals) that we actually get a picture. Without the ability to perceive the signal there are only invisible electromagnetic waves, or dissordered flux.