Antichrist propaganda

[jesusistruth]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

:)

[tannah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTBX2lTDt6E

:)


This is anti-christ propoganda to you?

[jesusistruth]

This is anti-christ propoganda to you?

According to the Bible it is, and what is to define what anitchrist is if not the Bible?

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[childofthetao]

According to the Bible it is, and what is to define what anitchrist is if not the Bible?

Please explain how the power of intention is antichrist propaganda, I'm not getting it.

Peace
Child of the Tao

[jesusistruth]

Please explain how the power of intention is antichrist propaganda, I'm not getting it.

Peace
Child of the Tao

Well first of all it doesn't acknowledge Jesus as Lord and second it encourages you to practice sorcery. Have you even read the bible?

[infidelyork]

Well first of all it doesn't acknowledge Jesus as Lord and second it encourages you to practice sorcery. Have you even read the bible?
Dr. Seuss never acknowledges Jesus as Lord in any of 'The Cat In The Hat' books either. Are we, by your way of thinking, to understand that he was pushing Antichrist propaganda on children? I'm truly shocked at him, I really am...

[jesusistruth]

Dr. Seuss never acknowledges Jesus as Lord in any of 'The Cat In The Hat' books either. Are we, by your way of thinking, to understand that he was pushing Antichrist propaganda on children? I'm truly shocked at him, I really am...

How is it propaganda in the first place? It doesn't even deal with the issue of God as far as I know.

Even denying sin and saying there is no hell would be antichrist propaganda. :)

Isn't this obvious to you?

Maybe you're concerned that 'antichrist' sounds evil, but to be quite frank it's the world and everything that is not pro-Jesus.

[knightofthegrail]

Hmmmm I wonder what the source is that he is refering to..... In some of his older stuff he appears to be speaking of Magic;
Wayne Dyer- Intention - YouTube
as if he is the creator of what happens. Has he changed his mind on this?

[infidelyork]

but to be quite frank it's the world and everything that is not pro-Jesus.
If that's the case, I'm not quite sure I understand your reasoning for the thread.

[jesusistruth]

If that's the case, I'm not quite sure I understand your reasoning for the thread.

I'm just presenting an interesting talk and giving it a christian label. :)

[nectars]

According to the Bible it is, and what is to define what anitchrist is if not the Bible?

The Bible doesn't say that -either of them.

[jesusistruth]

The Bible doesn't say that -either of them.

What does it say then?

[childofthetao]

Well first of all it doesn't acknowledge Jesus as Lord and second it encourages you to practice sorcery. Have you even read the bible?

But the power of intention is used all the time by everyone whether they know it or not, it is a fundamental factor of existence.

I think your logic is flawed.

Peace
Child of the Tao

[nectars]

What does it say then?

Depends on your convictions and understanding of what the Bible is saying. I'm not a teacher though so why dont you tell me since you claimed it.

Edit: Your thread title couldn't have been more accurate if it tried.

[jesusistruth]

Depends on your convictions and understanding of what the Bible is saying. I'm not a teacher though so why dont you tell me since you claimed it.

Edit: Your thread title couldn't have been more accurate if it tried.

I've perfectly well given you a quote that all sorcerers will take part in the lake of fire. I can give you more quotes that all who do not accept Jesus as lord and honor him as God will go to Hell. And what would be the spirit of the antichrist than to deny this?


But the power of intention is used all the time by everyone whether they know it or not, it is a fundamental factor of existence.

I think your logic is flawed.

Peace
Child of the Tao

That may be true, it may be not, and according to the Bible it isn't. Furthermore his discription of God would be considered blasphemy.

[sofa king]

Dr. Seuss never acknowledges Jesus as Lord in any of 'The Cat In The Hat' books either. Are we, by your way of thinking, to understand that he was pushing Antichrist propaganda on children? I'm truly shocked at him, I really am...

The Cat in the Hat is satanic

[childofthetao]

That may be true, it may be not, and according to the Bible it isn't.

I am writing this response under the power of my intention, you are reading it under the power of your intention, my cat is sat next to my monitor due to the power of his intention, trees grow, babies cry, people breathe, sleep and fart due to the power of intention.

Everything we all do, every aspect of our lives from what seems to be under our control down to what we consider to be out of our control is our own power of intention being used every instant of every second of every day.

The power of intention is nothing more than WILL, the life force animating us.

I HIGHLY doubt the bible says we are not using it because that's just silly.

Peace
Child of the Tao

[jesusistruth]

I am writing this response under the power of my intention, you are reading it under the power of your intention, my cat is sat next to my monitor due to the power of his intention, trees grow, babies cry, people breathe, sleep and fart due to the power of intention.

Everything we all do, every aspect of our lives from what seems to be under our control down to what we consider to be out of our control is our own power of intention being used every instant of every second of every day.

The power of intention is nothing more than WILL, the life force animating us.

I HIGHLY doubt the bible says we are not using it because that's just silly.

Peace
Child of the Tao

Perhaps not on that level but 'Contemplating your desired conditions' would be labelled as sorcery, and from the Biblical perspective I think it would be argued whether that manifesting force comes from God or demons.

Still he does not reconcile judgement and his discription of God remains blasphemous and thus fits the antichirst criteria.

[nectars]

I've perfectly well given you a quote that all sorcerers will take part in the lake of fire. I can give you more quotes that all who do not accept Jesus as lord and honor him as God will go to Hell. And what would be the spirit of the antichrist than to deny this?

No offence, but do you even understand what you just said here?

Perhaps not on that level but 'Contemplating your desired conditions' would be labelled as sorcery, and from the Biblical perspective I think it would be argued whether that manifesting force comes from God or demons.

Still he does not reconcile judgement and his discription of God remains blasphemous and thus fits the antichirst criteria.

The Bibles very explicit about whos responsible for this and its not refering to demons.

[childofthetao]

Perhaps not on that level but 'Contemplating your desired conditions' would be labelled as sorcery, and from the Biblical perspective I think it would be argued whether that manifesting force comes from God or demons.

Isn't contemplating your desired conditions just contemplation? Thinking? For someone to not even remotely be aware of how they want their conditions to improve seems like some kind of unliving robot that is incapable of even knowing that the conditions it is in are bad. To not contemplate your desired conditions, you would have to be brain dead. You would have to be a slave so mind controlled that the fear of eternal torture completely suppresses the natural act of imagination.

Are you saying that you never "contemplate your desired conditions"?

Still he does not reconcile judgement and his discription of God remains blasphemous and thus fits the antichirst criteria.

I can't argue with that.

Peace
Child of the Tao

[mind1universe]

Jesusistruth, the bible isn't all it's cracked up to be.

[jesusistruth]

Isn't contemplating your desired conditions just contemplation? Thinking? For someone to not even remotely be aware of how they want their conditions to improve seems like some kind of unliving robot that is incapable of even knowing that the conditions it is in are bad. To not contemplate your desired conditions, you would have to be brain dead. You would have to be a slave so mind controlled that the fear of eternal torture completely suppresses the natural act of imagination.

To begin with, imagining you're having a car or a house would be considered coveting. Actually it's the definition of coveting and you are certainly not aligning yourself with Gods will doing that.

"Not My Will, but Thine, Be Done"

Nor is he implying to simply day dream, but to meditate and visualize heavily on what you want, which I think crosses over to sorcery.

James 4:13-16

Come now, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we will go to such and such a city, and spend a year there and engage in business and make a profit." 14 Yet you do not know what your life will be like tomorrow. You are just a vapor that appears for a little while and then vanishes away. 15 Instead, you ought to say, "If the Lord wills, we will live and also do this or that." 16 But as it is, you boast in your arrogance; all such boasting is evil.

Are you saying that you never "contemplate your desired conditions"?

I may do that but I'm not saying I will go to heaven.

No offence, but do you even understand what you just said here?


Did I claim anything of my own?


The Bibles very explicit about whos responsible for this and its not refering to demons.

Where so? I don't see how God would aid you in your wickedness.

[orlibonurb]

Just by reading the title "power of intention", it instantly came to mind a big alert,


NEW AGE MOVEMENT, doctrines of demons here we go !

Colossians {2:8} Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Folks need to study this New Age "philosophy", and where it came from. It is very prevalent these days, even fake agents in the truth movement (ie. David Icke) blatantly portray this, leading many astray.

[nectars]

The Bibles very explicit about whos responsible for this and its not refering to demons.
Where so? I don't see how God would aid you in your wickedness.

Through out the entirety of both books; Old and New.

"As it is written, God has given them a stubborn spirit, eyes that cannot see, and ears that cannot hear, till this very day" - Romans 11:8

"For there is nothing hidden that will not be uncovered; and nothing in secret which will not be revealed" - Mark 4:22

"If any man has ears to hear, let him hear." - Mark 4:23

Selah

[tannah]

Just by reading the title "power of intention", it instantly came to mind a big alert,


NEW AGE MOVEMENT, doctrines of demons here we go !

Colossians {2:8} Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Folks need to study this New Age "philosophy", and where it came from. It is very prevalent these days, even fake agents in the truth movement (ie. David Icke) blatantly portray this, leading many astray.

Thiis thread should've been called "Why bible worshippers are braindead-agains".

JIT and Orli are just showing us what not to become, and I never had the intention of doing so, the ol "sourcerer that I AM.:)

If you don't approve of Sun/Moon worship then why do you worship the 3 day death/resurrection ritual?

Robots Rebel! You protect the Beast by trying to stop people finding the aspect of Christ within. The Sumarians managed to manipulate the masses that way and the bible took over. It's just human farming. It's the last thing Christ stands for.

[infidelyork]

The Cat in the Hat is satanic
Indeed. The bastard...

[clachan]

Just by reading the title "power of intention", it instantly came to mind a big alert,


NEW AGE MOVEMENT, doctrines of demons here we go !

Colossians {2:8} Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Folks need to study this New Age "philosophy", and where it came from. It is very prevalent these days, even fake agents in the truth movement (ie. David Icke) blatantly portray this, leading many astray.

But what if my power of intention is to feed the hungry and help the needy ?

[orlibonurb]

Robots Rebel! You protect the Beast by trying to stop people finding the aspect of Christ within. The Sumarians managed to manipulate the masses that way and the bible took over. It's just human farming. It's the last thing Christ stands for.

Noone's stopping you from finding the Christ within. Go for it, let us know how your wonderful spiritual adventure went !

Too much Oprah perhaps, tannah ? lol lol The christ within, what idolatry / blasphemy.

Oprah Winfrey's Teachings EXPOSED!
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/oprah-exposed.htm

[nectars]

Noone's stopping you from finding the Christ within. Go for it, let us know how your wonderful spiritual adventure went !

Too much Oprah perhaps, tannah ? lol lol The christ within, what idolatry / blasphemy.

Oprah Winfrey's Teachings EXPOSED!
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/oprah-exposed.htm

Thats actually got nothing to do with what hes talking about which just goes to further show your "Sin"(ignorance).

[thereisonlywe]

The thing I don't understand is, what does Jesus save us from exactly? Does he save us from God, because he is more merciful?

Love&Peace

[infidelyork]

The thing I don't understand is, what does Jesus save us from exactly?
Love&Peace
Apparently he saves us from Orlibonurb's constant Bible quotes...

[nectars]

The thing I don't understand is, what does Jesus save us from exactly? Does he save us from God, because he is more merciful?

Love&Peace

Nothing unless we understand what he is and no, not the Father.

Apparently he saves us from Orlibonurb's constant Bible quotes...

lol

[dedicate]

Like begets like. What one believes one attracts and one sees.

"Skim the wide ocean, split the deep sky... Relentlessly bound on a meeting with thee" -- annoymous poem.

"Whether we like analogy or not, we are literally praying every minute of our lives.." ibid. Sending out our thoughts and prayers they come back to us, unsounding unending "You attact what you think; your life is aproduct of your thought and belief; and nothing in the world can change this fact".

[tannah]

Like begets like. What one believes one attracts and one sees.

"Skim the wide ocean, split the deep sky... Relentlessly bound on a meeting with thee" -- annoymous poem.

"Whether we like analogy or not, we are literally praying every minute of our lives.." ibid. Sending out our thoughts and prayers they come back to us, unsounding unending "You attact what you think; your life is aproduct of your thought and belief; and nothing in the world can change this fact".

Yes, and every soul has a song that they are weaving. Harmony isn' just the sweet sounds, but a gamut of consonance and dissonance, just like our experiences tend to be. These "tones" are how God would read and listen to us. And they have immediate consequences inside and "outside".

[michael christopher]

Well first of all it doesn't acknowledge Jesus as Lord and second it encourages you to practice sorcery. Have you even read the bible?

Why would Yahweh even allow sorcery to be possible if it's so evil? :confused::o

[clachan]

Why would Yahweh even allow sorcery to be possible if it's so evil? :confused::o

Anything you can imagine can be made real,imagination and the ability to manifest imaginings on the materal plane is what makes us capable of reaching upward to ever higher,or lower,levels.
we are natural beings with super natural potential.

[michael christopher]

Anything you can imagine can be made real,imagination and the ability to manifest imaginings on the materal plane is what makes us capable of reaching upward to ever higher,or lower,levels.
we are natural beings with super natural potential.

So where and why and how does God draw the line? "Oh, it's okay to effect the will of others using black magic, although I decreed Free Will. But maybe I shouldn't let humans fly... that's just immoral."

It's all so arbitrary. Sorcery is "immoral" because it takes power away from the sorcerers who created the binding religions to control the masses. That's the ONLY reason.

[clachan]

So where and why and how does God draw the line? "Oh, it's okay to effect the will of others using black magic, although I decreed Free Will. But maybe I shouldn't let humans fly... that's just immoral."

It's all so arbitrary. Sorcery is "immoral" because it takes power away from the sorcerers who created the binding religions to control the masses. That's the ONLY reason.

I,d say the line is clearly marked re. "love your neighbour" ect.

If you define sorcery as dark magick that has a negative effect upon others, for WHATEVER REASON, then that is immoral and nothing to do with control.

To conduct magickal ritual is to medal with higher realms in order to manifest a desired effect.....I see this as tinkering with the natural order of things without fully understanding the process you have initiated,or how things might work through,the sorcerers apprentice effect.

these days i tend to go with the flow,not trying to force my own will if it goes against the grain,my life has been much better since adopting this attitude.

"When a man finds his true will,a light is switched on and he has the inertia of the universe/God to assist him".......no need for sorcery of magickal assertion.

[michael christopher]

I,d say the line is clearly marked re. "love your neighbour" ect.

If you define sorcery as dark magick that has a negative effect upon others, for WHATEVER REASON, then that is immoral and nothing to do with control.

I'm talking about all magic - most Christians would not define sorcery as only "dark magic" but would define all magic as dark magic and sorcery. Christianity does not allow for witchcraft of any kind, although a great deal of it is useful and light-sided in nature.

To conduct magickal ritual is to medal with higher realms in order to manifest a desired effect.....I see this as tinkering with the natural order of things without fully understanding the process you have initiated,or how things might work through,the sorcerers apprentice effect.

But your fundamental assumption is flawed, because nature is whatever nature allows. If nature allows one to "meddle with the higher realms" then it is entire natural to do so. Natural is not simply that which one is not afraid to do, natural is that which nature manifests. Nature has manifested magic/sorcery and thus it is entirely logical to assume it is a natural process for humans to engage in.

these days i tend to go with the flow,not trying to force my own will if it goes against the grain,my life has been much better since adopting this attitude.

"When a man finds his true will,a light is switched on and he has the inertia of the universe/God to assist him".......no need for sorcery of magickal assertion.

What if sorcery/magickal assertion is exactly what happens when God/the Universe is assisting an individual? What if God only assists those who actually ask for help directly?

[nectars]

To conduct magickal ritual is to medal with higher realms in order to manifest a desired effect.....I see this as tinkering with the natural order of things without fully understanding the process you have initiated,or how things might work through,the sorcerers apprentice effect.

Not having a go here, but carefully read the following.

"19. And he saw a fig tree on the roadside, and he came to it and found nothing on it except leaves; and he said to it, Let there be no fruit on you again for ever. And shortly the fig tree withered

20. When the disciples saw it, they were amazed and said, How is it that the fig tree has withered so soon?

21. Jesus answered and said to them, Truly I say to you, If you have faith, and do not doubt, you will perform a deed not only like this of the fig tree, but should you say even to this mountain, Be removed and fall into the sea, it shall be done.

22. And everything that you will ask in prayer and believe, you shall receive. - Matthew 21:19-22"

That would be a description of the highest form of "magick" possible. Just something for contemplation.

[octopusrex]

The ONLY important question abut Jesus is: Did he REINCARNATE:confused: or is he IMMORTAL and living up in some spaceship?

Or both?

[thereisonlywe]

But your fundamental assumption is flawed, because nature is whatever nature allows. If nature allows one to "meddle with the higher realms" then it is entire natural to do so. Natural is not simply that which one is not afraid to do, natural is that which nature manifests. Nature has manifested magic/sorcery and thus it is entirely logical to assume it is a natural process for humans to engage in.

What if sorcery/magickal assertion is exactly what happens when God/the Universe is assisting an individual? What if God only assists those who actually ask for help directly?

The differences between magic, energy work and God's forces (*) is, in the first case you ask for power for something that "YOU" want to do from any other forces than Him (like djinns, demons..etc). In the second case you ask for power for something that "YOU" want to do from only the One. In the third case, you ask for power for something that should/must be done (In the Name Of "Haqq") from only the One.

*God's forces is a symbolism used in Quran. It is everything that can be manipulated, altered, transformed by someone (by the will and power of God) to be used according to God's will.
"...Thus doth Allah leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He. And this is no other than a warning to mankind." (74:31)

Love&Peace

[nectars]

The differences between magic, energy work and God's forces (*) is, in the first case you ask for power for something that "YOU" want to do from any other forces than Him (like djinns, demons..etc).

Thats not entirely accurate, there are several forms of magick like Franz Bardons Hermetic system(not Golden dawn nonsense) and Psionics(depending on the user) that are done through the operator in accordance with Devine Providence(Gods will). This question is really all about intent, motive and devotion.

The one thing I will say regarding the type of invocation or evocational magick you speak of though, is that in doing so with the use of entities, egregores etc. it essentially asserts a lack of conviction in Gods will or ability to produce. Hence the feeling of a need to go through a third party.

There is nothing outside of God, all is inclusive or the God being spoken of is not a God at all, but instead a "god".

[thereisonlywe]

"Bardon's second work, dealing with the evocation of spirits, outlined first the symbolic meaning of the traditional ritual tools and temple designs, then goes on to describe a method of evoking spirits. In essence, the magician creates an environment hospitable to the entity in the temple or other medium of contact. They then enter a trance, projecting their consciousness into the sphere of the entity in question, and call it back." -from Wikipedia

Man, trust me you wouldn't want to be a part of this.

Love&Peace

[thereisonlywe]

Thats not entirely accurate, there are several forms of magick like Franz Bardons Hermetic system(not Golden dawn nonsense) and Psionics(depending on the user) that are done through the operator in accordance with Devine Providence(Gods will). This question is really all about intent, motive and devotion.

The one thing I will say regarding the type of invocation or evocational magick you speak of though, is that in doing so with the use of entities, egregores etc. it essentially asserts a lack of conviction in Gods will or ability to produce. Hence the feeling of a need to go through a third party.

There is nothing outside of God, all is inclusive or the God being spoken of is not a God at all, but instead a "god".

We got your point though, however there is a very fine line on this concept. First, we need to make this clear:

Only last two are absolutely okay (in terms of Oneness). Call it whatever you want, when one turns to other creatures for help, then it is not right (in terms of Oneness).

Now, what you say is possible. We included that in the first choice we mentioned, because most of the time (>=95%) people start dealing with these things on a purpose, then became a slave of their ego. They lose their purpose, and keep doing it until they own anything they want.

As we said, there is a fine line and most people can't see it. The best way is to have patience and stick with either 2 or 3 (preferably 3).

Love&Patience

[nectars]

"Bardon's second work, dealing with the evocation of spirits, outlined first the symbolic meaning of the traditional ritual tools and temple designs, then goes on to describe a method of evoking spirits. In essence, the magician creates an environment hospitable to the entity in the temple or other medium of contact. They then enter a trance, projecting their consciousness into the sphere of the entity in question, and call it back." -from Wikipedia

Man, trust me you wouldn't want to be a part of this.

Love&Peace

Indeed, which is why I never got into his second work. Besides which his work takes a lot of devotion to actually accomplish which is why most shy away from it.



We got your point though, however there is a very fine line on this concept. First, we need to make this clear:

Only last two are absolutely okay (in terms of Oneness). Call it whatever you want, when one turns to other creatures for help, then it is not right (in terms of Oneness).

Now, what you say is possible. We included that in the first choice we mentioned, because most of the time (>=95%) people start dealing with these things on a purpose, then became a slave of their ego. They lose their purpose, and keep doing it until they own anything they want.

As we said, there is a fine line and most people can't see it. The best way is to have patience and stick with either 2 or 3 (preferably 3).

Love&Patience


Couldn't agree more. This is the whole reason I turned my back on Occult work altogether. Its actually a play of the ego to keep us caught up in the game, much of which is initiated by influences which appear as being outside of ourselves. A good analogy of the egos game is mentioned in the movie Revolver.

Rules of the Game:

Rule 1. The only way you get smarter is by playing a smarter opponent.

Rule 2. The more sophisticated the game, the more sophisticated the opponent.

The amount of people who get caught out by this is staggering, and like I mentioned above, I've been pulled of course myself more than once. This is generally initiated when ever a seeker is making Quick and True progres I've found, at least in my own experience.

"Straight and narrow is the path, waste no time" - David R.Hawkins.

"Gloria in Excelsis Deo"

[thereisonlywe]

You are very lucky actually. People underestimate how dangerous these things can get.

We are happy for you : )

Love&Peace

[michael christopher]

The differences between magic, energy work and God's forces (*) is, in the first case you ask for power for something that "YOU" want to do from any other forces than Him (like djinns, demons..etc). In the second case you ask for power for something that "YOU" want to do from only the One. In the third case, you ask for power for something that should/must be done (In the Name Of "Haqq") from only the One.

Here is the problem. In one thread, you told me I was segmenting (I can't remember the exact word) in that I was seeing that there are things separate from God. But here you are doing exactly that, assuming that djinns/demons/etc. can be separate from God. If we are all one and all a reflection of God, then is not literally everything in existence also a reflection of God?

*God's forces is a symbolism used in Quran. It is everything that can be manipulated, altered, transformed by someone (by the will and power of God) to be used according to God's will.
"...Thus doth Allah leave to stray whom He pleaseth, and guide whom He pleaseth: and none can know the forces of thy Lord, except He. And this is no other than a warning to mankind." (74:31)

Love&Peace

But all things that happen must be altered by the will of God if God is omniscient and all encompassing. It would mean that literally nothing can happen without the consent of God.

[clachan]

I'm talking about all magic - most Christians would not define sorcery as only "dark magic" but would define all magic as dark magic and sorcery. Christianity does not allow for witchcraft of any kind, although a great deal of it is useful and light-sided in nature.



But your fundamental assumption is flawed, because nature is whatever nature allows. If nature allows one to "meddle with the higher realms" then it is entire natural to do so. Natural is not simply that which one is not afraid to do, natural is that which nature manifests. Nature has manifested magic/sorcery and thus it is entirely logical to assume it is a natural process for humans to engage in.



What if sorcery/magickal assertion is exactly what happens when God/the Universe is assisting an individual? What if God only assists those who actually ask for help directly?

Nature is whatever nature allows ?:confused:
Were the German nazi,s or the KKK not a natural product of nature ?
So the genocide of millions of people is natural then ? Does that make it right ?

If you want to talk about logic then let us consider all things as a natural product,because by your definition, if nature allows one to indulge in mass murder then it is entirely natural to do so.

[thereisonlywe]

Here is the problem. In one thread, you told me I was segmenting (I can't remember the exact word) in that I was seeing that there are things separate from God. But here you are doing exactly that, assuming that djinns/demons/etc. can be separate from God. If we are all one and all a reflection of God, then is not literally everything in existence also a reflection of God?



But all things that happen must be altered by the will of God if God is omniscient and all encompassing. It would mean that literally nothing can happen without the consent of God.

Michael it is not easy to understand we know. We will try to make it clear.

This is something that must be explained in detail. But briefly, when we look at you, all we see is God's manifestations with different names. When someone else on the street looks at you, all (s)he probably see will be matter. When (s)he asks your help, (s)he will thank you. When we ask your help, you will hear us thanking you, but we would be actually thanking Him.

So, what we are saying is, it is relative to the person and depends on how (s)he sees things. When ego is present, it is impossible to see things as they truly are. One more thing, magic feeds ego.

When most people acquire power they don't know how to deal with it. When we see power on ourselves, we know it is God's and none of it belongs to us.

Hope this helps,
Love&Peace

[michael christopher]

Michael it is not easy to understand we know. We will try to make it clear.

This is something that must be explained in detail. But briefly, when we look at you, all we see is God's manifestations with different names. When someone else on the street looks at you, all (s)he probably see will be matter. When (s)he asks your help, (s)he will thank you. When we ask your help, you will hear us thanking you, but we would be actually thanking Him.

So, what we are saying is, it is relative to the person and depends on how (s)he sees things. When ego is present, it is impossible to see things as they truly are. One more thing, magic feeds ego.

When most people acquire power they don't know how to deal with it. When we see power on ourselves, we know it is God's and none of it belongs to us.

Hope this helps,
Love&Peace

I really like your posts but I have to be honest, I feel like this is a non-answer. You say magic feeds ego, but that isn't always true. It depends on the reason why magic is being used. If one is using reiki to heal another person, does that feed ego? If so, does God actually penalize behaviors that have real benefits for human spirits? Are all spirits/djinn evil? You yourself have stated that they are not all evil, but even if they were, you also have stated that God is manifested in both good and evil and thus they cannot be separate from God and equally the will of God (which some might say actually is God). As for whether or not ego is present, I would put forward that it is not that ego is inherently unhealthy, since existing in a single body will produce a single viewpoint and thus an ego will always exist. It is the state of the ego that determines whether or not the spirit that is operating it is healthy.

[thereisonlywe]

I really like your posts but I have to be honest, I feel like this is a non-answer. You say magic feeds ego, but that isn't always true. It depends on the reason why magic is being used. If one is using reiki to heal another person, does that feed ego? If so, does God actually penalize behaviors that have real benefits for human spirits? Are all spirits/djinn evil? You yourself have stated that they are not all evil, but even if they were, you also have stated that God is manifested in both good and evil and thus they cannot be separate from God and equally the will of God (which some might say actually is God). As for whether or not ego is present, I would put forward that it is not that ego is inherently unhealthy, since existing in a single body will produce a single viewpoint and thus an ego will always exist. It is the state of the ego that determines whether or not the spirit that is operating it is healthy.

All these misunderstandings are due to lack of information. We will prepare some lectures on Oneness if God wills.

"If one is using reiki to heal another person, does that feed ego?" No. That falls in to the second category we mentioned. We don't count that as magic.

"Are all spirits/djinn evil?" No. But, even if they are not, it is not right to call upon them for help. This type of behavior is a barrier on the path to Oneness.

"I would put forward that it is not that ego is inherently unhealthy, since existing in a single body will produce a single viewpoint and thus an ego will always exist. It is the state of the ego that determines whether or not the spirit that is operating it is healthy." That is "nafs". What we meant by ego was "desires that don't lead to Oneness", which is a part of nafs. Nafs can be tamed. Ego can't. Ego has to be destroyed, but nafs has to survive in order for "servant-Lord" relationship to survive, which is duality.

P.S: Hell is the hard way of killing ego, religion (Path To Oneness) is the easy and beautiful one.

Notice: Nafs is not the true separator that makes you different than me. It is "'ayn thâbitah" (we don't know how this is exactly written in english, but it is everything's only fixed part that doesn't transform). We will probably explain this later on somewhere.


Love&Peace