Michael Tsarion on reptilians v david icke

[sean~infinte]

mtsar(michael tsarion) talks about the reps in one of his videos saying that the extra terrestriels that came down werent reppies even though they were reffered to as the serpent he says somin like serpent meant discovery or suprise (somthing like tht) meaning they were more advanced beings he does say that these ETS geneticaly crossed humans and reptilians to form those hybrids he then says that anyone saying that those reps are ET is disinfo or wrong (maybe a attack on icke i dunno)

of course david icke says different such as they are interdimensional and not from earth, fair enough

but mtsar has quite a lot of research to back a lot of what he says

who do you think is right?

according to mtsar the reps arent even tht big a deal its the atlantian decendents that have takin positions of power
im keeping in mind thers a lil bit of history between jordan maxwell and icke, and jordan and mtsar seem to be close friends

whats your opinion on this?

you can compare evidence as such

[father ted]

Hi sean,
I posted a thred about this topic in the reptilian section a while back, but no one wanted to stick to the topic. The thread was called "genetic manipulation". This is what I asked:

"What type of alien race was responsible for mankind's genetic manipulation?
Where they reptillian, nordic or other.
At this point in time it is my belief that reptillians were responsible based on the concept that there were three races involved BEFORE the genetic altering of what we as humankind used to be. Reptilian and the nordic races came from other planets whilst there were natives here on earth.
Any thoughts?"

So basically, Icke believes that there were three "main" races before the genetic manipulation. Two that came from somewhere in space, the Nordics and the Reptilians. The third were natives of earth. I think that since the reptillians can hide in human bodies, there's no reason that they can't hide in Nordic bodies either, using the same methods. There have been reports of nordics working for reptilians, and their eyes shapeshifting into reptilian eyes.

It is more than probably true, that serpents should not be confused with reptilians, but that is in a way beside the point. From what Tsarion describes, the serpent people that he talks about most probably are Nordic. He suggests that the gods that originaly came down to earth were humanoid. They crossed their genes with the natives, and created the serpent race who, from what it sounds like to me, were nordics. They were called that because the DNA is like two serpents, and they had powers (which they took from the tree of life, the DNA). But that doesn't mean that there weren't actual reptoids around, and maybe they were the genetic manipulators.

There's so much more to talk about this, I'll let others post before I'll write more.

As far as I know, Tsarion and Icke have great respect for each other, just a minor difference in oppinion, that's all.

What's the history between Maxwell and Icke?

[procyon]

Has anyone ever thought that perhaps both Mikey Tsarion and David Icke were both right and both were wrong? Divided we fall, especially in regards to the search for the truth.

"What type of alien race was responsible for mankind's genetic manipulation?

Humanoid. Some say Sirian, others say Pleiadian. I myself do not think that most reptilians are ET. I do agree that Draco is an empire and there may be ties between the earth reptilians and them, perhaps an identical bible story of creation is told to the earth reptilians in much the same fashion as humans were told of their humanoid creators. Of course politics can muddy the waters.

In any instance no one researcher ever has all the answers. The good ones have a good piece, but everyone has a piece of the puzzle. It will take co operation to get to the bottom of it and disseminate the BS from the truthful info. Not allegience to one opinion. Look at all of them and cross reference. You will start to find ties and you will start to recognize the lies.

Google the Lacerta files. According my own research I have little reason to doubt that the entity being contacted is what she claims to be. Also look into the unseen ones of Atlantis. As war progressed more and more unseen ones were able to manifest as the global vibe dropped to a lower density where these primal beings exist under us. With such vibrational energy we literally open a gate for them. The two worlds mix and share the same space and time. the rise in sightings of shapeshifting is partly due to this. As they manifest in stronger physical sense and form, the ability to hide is weakened. Hence they are caught holding then losing form for a brief moment. What do you think Y2K was all about? Why would the governments of the world want to put everyone on the planet in a state of panic and fear? Unless you knew what kind of energy you were manipulating with fear. It is like making spiritual contact on a global level. The same principles and methods are employed.

Just my two cents.

[limelady]

Hi procyon. I think you're right about these guys having to get together and compare notes!

Its been my dream for a while now to organise a get-together of all the minds working on exposing the agenda.....sort of have a summit or whatever you want to call it. I'd like them to leave their egos at the door, and sit round in a comfortable atmoshphere, put all their theories and ideas on the table and work out a plan of attack to beat the Illuminati!. Many of these people are REALLY smart people, so I'm sure they couild do it if they all worked together.

I think I might even have the ideal place for them to do this where they would not be bothered by media or 'other' influences....a nice tranquil place. I'd like to be their host (of course) :) , and I wouldn't let them leave until they'd formed a concensus of sorts on what we are facing and what to do about it. Could take a while for them to work it out, but think of the lovely holiday courtesy of limelady they'd all have while they were working on this? Sort of like a "truth-seekers" Bohemian Grove........without the ritual and nasty satanic stuff ....or the prostitutes of course! :)

Should I send out the invites?

Who should I invite?

[father ted]

So what's the history between Maxwell and Icke. Two other researchers into these kinds of stuff are Sitchin and Lawrence Gardner. They're both shapeshifting reptiles and contribute a lot to other researcher's info, I beleive they're both dis-informers (mixed with truth).
The types of accusations like "dis-informer", get thrown around a lot, especially when people talk about reptilians. Who are the real dis-informers of this world? So what's the history behind Maxwell and Icke?

[sean~infinte]

hey father ted thx for ur replys
the history between icke and maxwell is like this/ apperently maxwell shared some info with icke and well he sorta gave no credit to maxwell in his books. some people would go as far as to say he "plagiarized" maxwell all you have to do is type icke and maxwell in google and ull find articles on the subject

and here is a quote taken from an icke interview

Georgie asks:
what's your thoughts on Jordan Maxwell?

David Icke:
Very good information on symbolism. I think I'll leave it at that.

now icke seems a bit iffy there at the end could be nothing but clearly some form of spat has happened and it wouldnt be the first time icke and other conspiracy researchers have had a slagging off match **cough**alan watt**cough**

you see it seems quite childish that they somtimes have to bullshit each other becuase as soon as they do that i think people are (or would be) put off by that

interview can be found here: http://www.rinf.com/articles/david-icke-interview.html

[b1663r]

im not saying you shouldnt spend 320 on the origin and oracles series michael tsarion put out in 2006 i myself havent finished watching all 6 programs in the series all 22 dvdz but you have to give alot of credit to tsarion because he is so versed in SO many different fields ICKE wont or maybe cant touch

im not saying tsarion is better or worse than icke BUT I PERSONALLY would love to see tsarion and alex jones toghter maybe some icke in their we needa get fritez springmeier outa jail and in on this " gather of great thinkers / exposers "

tsarion also has alot of lectures and of couse his alex and davids content is all avaible on this great web of interconnected computers ( aka bittorrent ) not that im telling everyone to leech these guys great work but i mean im not exactly saying i shelled out the 320 for the origins and oracles but honestly i was so dissappointed with the ickes latest release even the show " was he right " should have be intergraded ( somehow ) so you could have gotten a better prepective but IMHO their all talking about spirituality and the great interworkings of our multiverse i myself would love to see more material from all the great thinkers in this " conspricay " genre but after alex jones put terrorstorm on google video i dont really know what he has up his sleeves and well springmeier is in jail we gotta sneak / break him out and well tsarion pretty much OWNS everyone with origins and oracles A MUST WATCH !!!! anyone else already ahead of mean and diegested his material ?????

[father ted]

Oh yes, I learned a lot from MTsarion. I'll mention a few others, William Henry, Drunvalo Melchizedek, Ian Lunghold, Gregg Braden, Credo Mutwa, Arizona Wilder.
You've got to remember, Icke traveled the world, talked to people, lifted things, affected by paranormal, has been manipulated, has had coincidences etc. There is more to info than just reading. It's expensive, but I think that he knows a lot more than he's willing to tell.
I'm not saying that the guys above haven't done any of these thing, not by a long shot, but there's more to info than just following other's works. The main thing is that he stepped outside the square, so to speak, more than anyone else.

Also, there are a lot of researchers into these subjects who are trying dismiss the reptilian theory. Shouldn't that be left as a difference of opinion and left to the audience to make up their own mind? It's almost as if there's an "discredit Icke campaign" going on and it seems to be coming from "lizard as hell" Sitchin, as well as a few others. Guys like Sitchin have heavily influenced many of these researchers.
I'm not talking about MTsarion either, he's very much into the fact that reptilians exist (even though he's taken info from Sitchin but, he has said that he doesn't agree with about half his work). A lot of these guys are trying vehemently to dismiss the reptilian researchers like MTsarion and Icke, especially Icke, because he points them out as the original culprit. Once again, shouldn't difference of opinion be left to the "audience" at hand, to decide? and not be reason to target an individual?

[sean~infinte]

yh i agree with ya father ted (great show)

being a fellow irishmen i quite like MTsarion but as with many conspiracy researchers they presume they are right or have got the secrets of the universe

at least icke says u kno u dont have to believe anithing and he says hes probably got some things wrong ect ect as for the other researchers they have ego trips and get jealouse and half of em descredit him for the reptilian agenda thing like alex jones becuase its so out of there box of reality and they go even further by saying that david icke is a conman becuase he belives in the reptlilian thing but being icke he rises above it and doesnt give a shit thats what i love about icke balls of steel

but one thing about icke is he mixes the reptilian theory with spirituality such as the 4th dimension as such and the fact that we have lots of repi genes and even a repi brain

[b1663r]

your right a lot of people are so scared of what the implications of the secret reptilian agenda holds for us but.... Ian Lunghold DEFIANTLY has some great stuff to say about spirituality and 2012 and Mayan calender and how they were able to for see and chart human and spiritual evolution.... i don't think tsarion has an ego i don't think he clams to know everything but in this field their are so many scared humans looking for any source of the main fundamental ideals that these " information bringers " could easily and favoring the reptilian agenda create egos and feed the negative evil vibrations the Draconian feed off of.... that is another point

i only am great full that tsarion brings MORE to the table then icke he has ALWAYS left me desiring more and thrust for knowledge he never seemed to quench i even have icke older videos robot rebellion and his earlier works his message hasnt change ( except for the whole reptilian agenda that he came to know later ) which IS WONDERFUL that he is true to the information he finds but honestly anyone who gets into the whole conspiracy genre will always lust for more information and hopefully end up with the great thinkers we have all come to learn and love

[procyon]

Divided we fall....it is that simple....it's why we are still in the dark. Like I said if you take the root of what many are saying they really aren't saying anything different. There is a general theme and many commonalitites, but you can always argue the details and over analyze them till the cows come home...if you don't live on the country this might be longer than you think!

:D

[shenoma]

He is right about those darn atlanteans. There are the ONES in power. They never truly lost it, even after their home sunk to the bottom of the ocean. I know for a fact, that even when they die or get kill. They can and do come back in a new body. They may not have all of their old memories at first, but over time they might and can get most of them back. It's truly scaring if you think about it. Even if every single was done away with now, they would just be reborn, really think about that one for a few moments.

[shenoma]

They are a scary bunch that is curse with being awake to much on this planet of sleepers.

[shenoma]

Look, they simply know more then us is all. I bet if we knew what they did we be powerful has welll.

[ho1ogram]

according to mtsar the reps arent even tht big a deal its the atlantian decendents that have takin positions of power


Jon Peniel in his book 'The Children of the Law of One and The Lost Teachings of Atlantis' says that the position holders on earth are atlantean. From his descriptions they are the same vibration as reptilians. He also makes the point that we can argue for ever over who is in charge, who is the real 'enemy', who is worse, etc., but only unselfish love, and the realisation that the world is bullshit at this level of experience, is what is important.

Personally, I don't know think we can be conclusive as to all the rep and Atlantean stuff. There is much we don't know, so much muddled up, plus you have to factor in human nature, the ego's filter and all that. The important info is that we are manipulated and most of that manipulation works through our ignorance of our true potential. Hence others, whether interdimensional, extraterrestrial or earthly, have been able to steer the world.

also, I feel life is a paradox, a greeat big parodox consisting of litlle ones and therefore that accounts for infinite possibility. Everyone is right. The choice is ours as to who we want to believe or how much we want to believe from someone's info. We also have the choice of putting it all togethor and forming our own conclusions based on our intuition and experiences.

I know for a fact, that even when they die or get kill. They can and do come back in a new body. They may not have all of their old memories at first, but over time they might and can get most of them back.

Sounds interesting shenoma, can you elaborate on how you know for a fact? (It doesn't surprise me, that's how they run things through the thread of time) If you have an interesting story or encounter I'd love to hear it.

BTW - could we do the same? Is that what reincarnation is?

[tru3]

Google the Lacerta files. According my own research I have little reason to doubt that the entity being contacted is what she claims to be. Also look into the unseen ones of Atlantis. As war progressed more and more unseen ones were able to manifest as the global vibe dropped to a lower density where these primal beings exist under us. With such vibrational energy we literally open a gate for them. The two worlds mix and share the same space and time. the rise in sightings of shapeshifting is partly due to this. As they manifest in stronger physical sense and form, the ability to hide is weakened. Hence they are caught holding then losing form for a brief moment. What do you think Y2K was all about? Why would the governments of the world want to put everyone on the planet in a state of panic and fear? Unless you knew what kind of energy you were manipulating with fear. It is like making spiritual contact on a global level. The same principles and methods are employed.

thanks for the lacerta reference.

i'm starting to make the atlantis connection too, more and more. and don't forget mu; all sorts of material indicates that the mayans, as well as the polynesian cultures on the periphery, escaped lemuria. before it was destroyed.

the way i understand it, mu was a goddess culture, and there was basically a male rebellion in the priesthood. they went on to fuck things up in atlantis, with some kind of interdimensional portal. some believe that when the portal blew up, interdimensional beings got caught in the backdraft and got stuck here. most were just harmless, but some were really nasty. the more i read about this connection, the more it resonates for me with the way energy is manipulated today: symbols, economic centralization and control, sexual abuse, it's the same story different day. i can't say definitely where it came from or how long it's been here, but it is the same dark energy that feeds today, in dozens of guises around the world.

chronologically, first it was the toltecs (goddess), then the mayans, (goddess), then the jaguar and eagle knights (the left hand and right hand orders of the rebellion), who went around basically crippling the pre-colombian civilizations.

but the earlier toltec culture survived the jaguar priests because they mastered their fear and refused to give in to the desire to be separate from the world, through a variety of customs and practises. they were the true warriors of the era, not the mayans.


http://books.google.com/books?id=ZJzNmReS-SEC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=miguel+ruiz+jaguar+priests (http://books.google.com/books?id=ZJzNmReS-SEC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=miguel+ruiz+jaguar+priests)



http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1675&highlight=apocalypto

your right a lot of people are so scared of what the implications of the secret reptilian agenda holds for us but.... Ian Lunghold DEFIANTLY has some great stuff to say about spirituality and 2012 and Mayan calender and how they were able to for see and chart human and spiritual evolution.... i don't think tsarion has an ego i don't think he clams to know everything but in this field their are so many scared humans looking for any source of the main fundamental ideals that these " information bringers " could easily and favoring the reptilian agenda create egos and feed the negative evil vibrations the Draconian feed off of.... that is another point

i felt that ian's video was like a cool breeze of sanity and optimism in a hot and sweaty world. i'll post the link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1030536695965417017

[joegum]

hello,

The Catholic Encyuclopedia online makes an obscure reference to the saurians...

"Whether we are to trace its origin to vague reminiscences of the mighty saurians which once people the earth is a moot question, but the curious reader may consult Bousett, "The Anti-Christ Legend" (tr. by Keane, London, 1896). "


http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01476d.htm

The "it" is the dragon legend.

-joegum

[tru3]

Oh yes, I learned a lot from MTsarion. I'll mention a few others, William Henry, Drunvalo Melchizedek, Ian Lunghold, Gregg Braden, Credo Mutwa, Arizona Wilder.
You've got to remember, Icke traveled the world, talked to people, lifted things, affected by paranormal, has been manipulated, has had coincidences etc. There is more to info than just reading. It's expensive, but I think that he knows a lot more than he's willing to tell.

thanks, ted. i had never heard of tsarion until you posted that first thread. i didn't even know enough to ask an intelligent question.

i agree with you about david; he's pounded the pavement for years, and he's paid the price for it with his health.

how about mtsar? how has he gathered his information, who are his sources, etc.?

look forward to your reponse. :)

[snog]

Ive been reading Tsarion's Atlantis book (Excellent so far). His interpretation of reptilians is interesting. He talks of the original Atlateans (serpent race, but not shapeshifters) making hybrids of themselves in conjunction with Earthly reptiles spawning a race of very obedient servants with superior mental and physical attributes. Although he doesn't mention them being in positions of power. In my opinion, they are. This race was only created after numerous experiments in hybridisation with humans and the serpent race which didn't work out so well.
I think that race are being used as pawns for the original serpents to carry out their agendas as they are highly intelligent and hard working.

Going on Tsarions' theory- How do we know that there wasn't another race created that could shapeshift between reptilian and human forms, thus making both Tsarion and Icke correct? What a perfect and easy way to get the dirty work done for the Serpents!

Arizona Wilder talks about the Earthly shapeshifting reptiles being incredibly frightened by their masters (the original Atlanteans, in my opinion) she calls them the 'ancient ones'

Tsarion and Icke are both right, there are just so many more connections to be made.

[father ted]

how about mtsar? how has he gathered his information, who are his sources, etc.?

Tsarion's background is the taro, and his Celtic background. He's been into this thing since he was 13, doing all sorts of other research.

Arizona Wilder talks about the Earthly shapeshifting reptiles being incredibly frightened by their masters (the original Atlanteans, in my opinion) she calls them the 'ancient ones'

Arizona says that those ancient ones are reptilian. I believe that the original manipulators were/are reptilian in form, for other reasons as well as Arizona's testimony. There's ancient texts and pictures/sculptures, patterns of info, and other things. I'm starting to think more and more, that there's a disinformation campaign against this theory and in a way, it seems to lead back to sitchin. I'd love to read his book on this, does anyone know what it's called?

Besides, as these royals and high society people are starting to claim that they're are the descendants of jesus, it's not gonna help their cause if people think that they're reptilian.

[snog]

Arizona says that those ancient ones are reptilian. I believe that the original manipulators were/are reptilian in form, for other reasons as well as Arizona's testimony. There's ancient texts and pictures/sculptures, patterns of info, and other things.

Maybe in their spiritual from they are actually reptilian, but had a human form in the 3rd dimension? Maybe they weren't just reffered to as 'serpents' solely on their DNA strands having a likeness to snakes? hmmmmm. I wonder, I just wonder (aka credo :D )

[father ted]

I think Thoth and Arizona Wilder said something like they wanted to come to our dimension and they are trying to lower the earth's vibration so that they ( the "elders" I think) can come over. I think that's one of the reasons why they needed to breed with nordics, because it's the way they can be in our world, which Arizona (or someone) mentioned. Of course, nordics are more humanoid like us, then reptilians, so nordics must have been the link/key to cross over. But being reptilian other dimensionals, they would have had to be crossbred with nordics in order to use the body as a vehicle in the first place, so that's one of the reasons why I think the original manipulators were reptilians, who created reptilian/nordic shapeshifters as a link so that they can manipulate this dimension and the native humans and other species that were on it.
Credo also says that the manipulators were reptilians, as well as other creatures, some which he describes as being nordic. He also says that the soul looks like a sphere with a blue snake and a red snake fighting each other, the female with wings. This coming from the testimony of the same shaman. It may be that people get the two things confused, ei reptilians and DNA.
Arizona also explained that the annunaki in the phoenician period to hide their form started calling/depicting themselves as snakes. She said that someone pleading for their life to a reptilian became "st george fighting the dragon".

[earthseed]

I respect both Tsarion and Icke. Not only their great work but also because they are the few out of the many that don't go after other researchers out there. They say what they have found and experienced and allow us to make up our own mind. I think they are the closest to what is going on perhaps not exact but very close in their own way. I think it's important that we as the people are the ones that finally unravel the great mystery of our existence. These people are here to push us along not do it for us.

[sean~infinte]

I respect both Tsarion and Icke. Not only their great work but also because they are the few out of the many that don't go after other researchers out there. They say what they have found and experienced and allow us to make up our own mind. I think they are the closest to what is going on perhaps not exact but very close in their own way. I think it's important that we as the people are the ones that finally unravel the great mystery of our existence. These people are here to push us along not do it for us.

very well said:)

[zircon]

I feel that both writers are speaking about a need to see that there are levels of dark control that interact with our idea of reality. Tieing this up with the recent work by graham hancock and of course philip gardiner & gary osborne, research which suggests that parallel dimensions can be accessed and that people have been doing for eons, and this access has been occulted by priestly castes or those who want to hide information from all but a "lucky" few: the gnostic tradition that can lead to layers of testing or even manipulation, or an idea that these multiple realms have forces that may hold good or bad influences for humanity. Both Icke and Tsarion suggest that the influence is mainly bad, not good as symbolically suggested by layers of mysticism. the book "Vril: The Power of the Coming Race" (a novel published in 1870 by Edward Bulwer-Lytton) suggests that any such powerful group might be very cold and destructive, as Graham Hancock's "meeting" with the crocodile-head pointed out, we are "just human beings". The Aaron Russo interview with Alex jones mentioned that Rockerfella asked him why he "should even care" about what happens to people. We should look for why such bad forces are there and what their design for us is, and also how we can access the good and obtain help from that; for there is not a lot of good about. I don't feel we need to enter the altered states if we can already feel their negative influence on our world. Interestingly David's connection with "light" in an altered state under Ayahuasca, are quite different, aren't they. If we can tell the difference between a crocodile-headed presence and a silent light presence, that may be of some significance, I feel.

[aznality]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I guess I have to check out Tsarion's works too. I am currently dl/ing his documentary titled something like....Atlantis Alien Manipulation. Hopefully I can get something new out of it.

[father ted]

Go to his website http://taroscopes.com/ too, you'll get just as much info out of it as his videos. I especially like the blog section and the astro theology, especially the aryan section.

[truthcommission]

I don't feel we need to enter the altered states if we can already feel their negative influence on our world. Interestingly David's connection with "light" in an altered state under Ayahuasca, are quite different, aren't they. If we can tell the difference between a crocodile-headed presence and a silent light presence, that may be of some significance, I feel.
Interesting perspective Zircon.

Care you expand or add any more insights along these lines?

[oneofmany]

The crocodile headed entity has been talked about by more people and earlier as well than what has been said by Graham Hancock. Terrence McKenna had extensive encounters with this entity, as well as 3/4 of the subjects in Dr Rick Strassman's experiments with pure DMT, in his book The spirit molecule. This can be a malevolent or beautific entity, depending on how you interact with it. It doesn't tolerate fools or the non humble. It seems to be the lord of the realm and it will impart wisdom to the worthy. If you ever see it in a trip, treat it with the utmost respect, or be prepared to suffer eternal consequences, because if it is the lord of the under realm, Then it holds the keys to your eternal life.

[sean~infinte]

The crocodile headed entity has been talked about by more people and earlier as well than what has been said by Graham Hancock. Terrence McKenna had extensive encounters with this entity, as well as 3/4 of the subjects in Dr Rick Strassman's experiments with pure DMT, in his book The spirit molecule. This can be a malevolent or beautific entity, depending on how you interact with it. It doesn't tolerate fools or the non humble. It seems to be the lord of the realm and it will impart wisdom to the worthy. If you ever see it in a trip, treat it with the utmost respect, or be prepared to suffer eternal consequences, because if it is the lord of the under realm, Then it holds the keys to your eternal life.

im quite intersted in this being where can i search more on this or maybe u can tell us more about it?

thks

peace

[zircon]

Interesting perspective Zircon.

Care you expand or add any more insights along these lines?

I'll give more thought (feeling) to it but what I mean basically is that when we say entered altered states, what are we saying, altered states of what? of consciousness, and we are part of that infinite consciousness.

If, as Michael Ts and David I are suggesting, this seems to have been dumbed-down by creatures whose intention has been to use us as their servants and who have no care for us, if we access altered states occupied by those powers, we are still within their domain, and not beyond it.

This is the message I get from David's book "Infinite Love is the only truth". And obviously this means that they are also "feelable" through the reality we occupy at present.

In my (quite limited admittedly) experience of altered states I was able to feel and hear powerful voices and presences that mocked me. When I was much younger i experienced fits brought about by a sensation of being closed in on by voices, shadows and presences.

Once, I met a man (a psychic dealing in Ley-line energy) whose house I was led to when travelling as a student and got caught in a storm (it was in Montgomery on the Welsh border) who told me I should protect myself from the vibrations that I felt. A message I've never forgotten.

As Oneofmany said above, many people have experienced this crocodile-head being; are we to imagine that he exists but that he never exercises his powers? When something exists, it is there, always. Only light can dispell it. Communing with it will give it more power.

The other day I met a person whose vibration chilled me. Another person i met at the same time, who is working with healing techniques (I'll hopefully write to give more details later) had the same feeling. It's not that a person is bad, only that they have given themselves over to forces that increasingly control them.

In the world, this is waht has been happening. We GIVE ourselves to these forces. We must never do that. As Michael Ts has said, Have I been sold a lie? Or have I BOUGHT a lie? If my choice, my self is in it, then I've already started to lose what is eternally mine.

The forces want to befuddle us with subterfuges, confuse us and fill our heads. We must put away our heads, and all that they pour into them and be in our spiritual selves. The forces will keep trying. How? By entering the world of course! Why seek them out in altered states when they are here already! They need to be here, but hiding. As I said, it's not that that person was bad, but that he was giving himself away to nothing. (All the madness that keeps the world spinning recklessly towards its near destruction) And when I was talking with others, i felt a hard gaze on me, maybe because whatever was inside him, knew that I sensed that it was there, I guess. That force has a life of its own and will continue to spread, but will spread more if we invite it to!! So we must spread light that even those forces can never reach us. The battle will be won, because they will have lost if we never listen to them.

There may be other ways. That's how it seems to me right now.

[oneofmany]

im quite intersted in this being where can i search more on this or maybe u can tell us more about it?

thks

peace

Download some of Terrence McKenna's lectures about DMT especially, and he talks extensively about the entities he encountered as well as the symbol language he was being taught by these entities. Also the book DMT the spirit molecule is a wealth of information about the only legal study ever held on the effects of DMT, nearly every test subject mentioned the crocodile headed entity in the questioning about their experience. I also find it amazing that the Egyptians had these entities carved into their tomb walls, It says to me that they used DMT among other substances to reach altered states and actually learned the wisdom these entities impart, that's why Egyptian temples and so forth are rife with symbology. Nobody ever asks the question of where they learned this symbology? I believe I know :D other than that, you could always take the molecule and find out for yourself, or ask a Shaman.

[zircon]

Once the mind is open - whether through mind-altering drugs or mind-altering rxperiences - it can feel and apprehend more clearly what those entities are. One knows that they are real and that they are present and immanent in our human vibration, crossing over into into it. As humans we have been controlled to a point so as not to dare to discover these facts, to ensure those entities retain their advantage. This has been sold to us as a deep mystery that only some "select" or (as Aldous Huxley, the writer said, after going through some positive mescaline and LSD experiences) that only an "elite group" of intellectuals and artists should have access to the spiritual experiences that can be gained from psychadelic drugs - he did not believe that the "common" man or woman was capable of using them in the most productive ways. Thus Huxley was in a position to conceal much of the so-called "wisdom", just as the pharoahs' priests and shamans have done. In "from the ashes of angels" (Andrew Collins) he explains how the serpentine "watchers" and shaman priests were far from beneficent towards human kind, in ancient record. It is concealed because it shows us what we can already discern, but even more clearly than is visible in the "ordinary" perception. By opening up that channel we must be able to defend ourselves, or we risk becoming its tool. In human blood is the DNA that can be controlled, and must be subliminated by the use of powerful yoga techniques and protection. I'm not saying to not open the channels and look; just, be prepared. As Lumukanda says "He who hunts monsters, must be careful that he does not become a monster himself". There IS a danger. David's very powerful message is to show us how the world is controlled by a matrix system of illusionary reality, itself just one form of a mental creation, implemented by a sign-system that allows trans-dimensional forces to drive the world in the direction they chose. It doesn't mean that there are reptilian bodies in human form, but that the human is only partly human (or not fully human in the sense that we have lost a part of humanity and have to strive to realise that full humanity) due to the fact that when the human part is not strong or is partly removed (How? by means of the control forces made up in the system as it is manipulated) then these other forces step into the breach. That is when we can "see" them protruding through the ordinary reality, and we sense their cold nature. We then perceive their character, as an inner-sight, the third eye shows us their forms clearly. First though the third eye needs to be opened!!

[sean~infinte]

ether way i think reptiles are manifestations of our fear they dont realy exist in the terms they are real but manifestations of just like this illusion we are in at the mo so it doesnt realy matter who is right

i persnolay feal a huge change i somtimes fel connected to everyone and everything sometimes i feel people waking up and thats what matters

the 100th monkey syndrom is realy in effect one of my mates is a muslim and he shared a bit from the quran that goes "falsehood by nature is destined to fall" or somthing along those lines and it sure is


thanks for all your input guys apreaciated

thks sean

much love to u

[cycle of eternity]

well, Michael Tsarion says these beings were symbolized with serpents because
of the visual structure of the DNA with the strands intertwinded. but if there is
anything to learn about symbolism, it's not as simple as, "oh, it resembles snakes,
so let's symbolize them with snakes". I personally think there is more to it than that,
but i don't think Michael is entirely wrong either.

[father ted]

well, Michael Tsarion says these beings were symbolized with serpents because
of the visual structure of the DNA with the strands intertwinded. but if there is
anything to learn about symbolism, it's not as simple as, "oh, it resembles snakes,
so let's symbolize them with snakes". I personally think there is more to it than that,
but i don't think Michael is entirely wrong either.

That's my take on things, to simplify.

[floewyz]

Both are searching for the truth, I find David Icke focused and positive, while I find Tsarion's lectures a bit disjointed.
Considering Icke's journey has been beset by difficulties not least by the media, we are rather fortunate he continues to enlighten us.
Of course there will always be contradictions and mistakes but rather than attack, point it out and do a bit of research yourselves. We are on the same side and we all need to strive to be where David Icke is.

[shenoma]

I know because I am of like. I just know it to be true. I know secrects of their power is control, what I have gotten through recall has proven to be correct. I need to gather up my thoughts and will slowly reveal all I know. People can take what I have to say for themselves.

Sounds interesting shenoma, can you elaborate on how you know for a fact? (It doesn't surprise me, that's how they run things through the thread of time) If you have an interesting story or encounter I'd love to hear it.

BTW - could we do the same? Is that what reincarnation is?

[sebastian]

http://www.sabon.org/reptiloid/index3.html

[kguk]

Ive just read the Lacerta files part one. In it she gives the interviewer permission to draw her appearance. Ive been looking for a while now but cant find any drawings and ive tried to google it as well. Did the interviewer ever draw her or make the drawings public?

[hewrote]

He is right about those darn atlanteans. There are the ONES in power. They never truly lost it, even after their home sunk to the bottom of the ocean. I know for a fact, that even when they die or get kill. They can and do come back in a new body. They may not have all of their old memories at first, but over time they might and can get most of them back. It's truly scaring if you think about it. Even if every single was done away with now, they would just be reborn, really think about that one for a few moments.




where's the love?

[shenoma]

I choose to love all parts of myself.

[QUOTE=zircon;31672 of consciousness, and we are part of that infinite consciousness.

knew that I sensed that it was there, I guess. That force has a life of its own and will continue to spread, but will spread more if we invite it to!! So we must spread light that even those forces can never reach us. The battle will be won, because they will have lost if we never listen to them.

There may be other ways. That's how it seems to me right now.[/QUOTE]

[shenoma]

How many people bother asking in the first place? EVERYONE is part of the whole, a person can find the truth if they willed it. I am monster, I have to love myself to kill it, and therefor I can slain other monster with my love by saving it.
Once the mind is open - whether through mind-altering drugs or mind-altering rxperiences - it can feel and apprehend more clearly what those entities are. One knows that they are real and that they are present and immanent in our human vibration, crossing over into into it. As humans we have been controlled to a point so as not to dare to discover these facts, to ensure those entities retain their advantage. This has been sold to us as a deep mystery that only some "select" or (as Aldous Huxley, the writer said, after going through some positive mescaline and LSD experiences) that only an "elite group" of intellectuals and artists should have access to the spiritual experiences that can be gained from psychadelic drugs - he did not believe that the "common" man or woman was capable of using them in the most productive ways. Thus Huxley was in a position to conceal much of the so-called "wisdom", just as the pharoahs' priests and shamans have done. In "from the ashes of angels" (Andrew Collins) he explains how the serpentine "watchers" and shaman priests were far from beneficent towards human kind, in ancient record. It is concealed because it shows us what we can already discern, but even more clearly than is visible in the "ordinary" perception. By opening up that channel we must be able to defend ourselves, or we risk becoming its tool. In human blood is the DNA that can be controlled, and must be subliminated by the use of powerful yoga techniques and protection. I'm not saying to not open the channels and look; just, be prepared. As Lumukanda says "He who hunts monsters, must be careful that he does not become a monster himself". There IS a danger. David's very powerful message is to show us how the world is controlled by a matrix system of illusionary reality, itself just one form of a mental creation, implemented by a sign-system that allows trans-dimensional forces to drive the world in the direction they chose. It doesn't mean that there are reptilian bodies in human form, but that the human is only partly human (or not fully human in the sense that we have lost a part of humanity and have to strive to realise that full humanity) due to the fact that when the human part is not strong or is partly removed (How? by means of the control forces made up in the system as it is manipulated) then these other forces step into the breach. That is when we can "see" them protruding through the ordinary reality, and we sense their cold nature. We then perceive their character, as an inner-sight, the third eye shows us their forms clearly. First though the third eye needs to be opened!!

[shenoma]

The snakes are us mirroring back to ourselves, love them.

well, Michael Tsarion says these beings were symbolized with serpents because
of the visual structure of the DNA with the strands intertwinded. but if there is
anything to learn about symbolism, it's not as simple as, "oh, it resembles snakes,
so let's symbolize them with snakes". I personally think there is more to it than that,
but i don't think Michael is entirely wrong either.

[shenoma]

Right here babycakes, I would love you all night long.:p:o

where's the love?

[humanswin]

Are we talking about reptilians? Ok then-I guess it is mostly speculation on any authors part.What I have found is that many different reptilain type bi-pedal creatures inhabitied earth around 100 millions years ago. Mainly I have found that pointy headed type alien/reptilian creatures were here,ranging from an inch or so tall-to perhaps 100 feet tall.Their skulls were preserved in a great flood -many have been crystalized.I have collected a few thousand of lesser quaility(I can clearly recognize them) and a hundred or so of very good quality. I would say that I have collected perhaps 10 distinct species of reptilain/alien type fossils and a few human,proto-human type.These would all be early to mid creataceous.

[guuna]

Tsarion is a fascinating speaker and I really have a great deal of respect for what he says.

He believes that the Atlanteans created the human race (Adamic man) who eventually rebelled and formed their own civilization in Lemuria, so eventually the Atlanteans decided to manufacture more reliable servants by splicing human and reptile dna, this is the real origin of the reptoids.

The reptoids, according to Tsarion are now largely extinct, although some survive in underground caverns and in isolated parts of the world.

[shenoma]

Vril, The Power of the Coming Race
by Sir Edward Bulwer-Lytton
[1871]
Chapter 1
http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/vril/vrl00.htm

Tsarion is a fascinating speaker and I really have a great deal of respect for what he says.

He believes that the Atlanteans created the human race (Adamic man) who eventually rebelled and formed their own civilization in Lemuria, so eventually the Atlanteans decided to manufacture more reliable servants by splicing human and reptile dna, this is the real origin of the reptoids.

The reptoids, according to Tsarion are now largely extinct, although some survive in underground caverns and in isolated parts of the world.

[size_of_light]

Hi procyon. I think you're right about these guys having to get together and compare notes!

Its been my dream for a while now to organise a get-together of all the minds working on exposing the agenda.....sort of have a summit or whatever you want to call it. I'd like them to leave their egos at the door, and sit round in a comfortable atmoshphere, put all their theories and ideas on the table and work out a plan of attack to beat the Illuminati!. Many of these people are REALLY smart people, so I'm sure they couild do it if they all worked together.

I think I might even have the ideal place for them to do this where they would not be bothered by media or 'other' influences....a nice tranquil place. I'd like to be their host (of course) :) , and I wouldn't let them leave until they'd formed a concensus of sorts on what we are facing and what to do about it. Could take a while for them to work it out, but think of the lovely holiday courtesy of limelady they'd all have while they were working on this? Sort of like a "truth-seekers" Bohemian Grove........without the ritual and nasty satanic stuff ....or the prostitutes of course! :)

Should I send out the invites?

Who should I invite?

David Icke, Michael Tsarion, Alex Jones...

...and Rodney Rude.

Coz the first three guys would probably get a bit heavy, wouldn't they?

Rude could take the piss out of them and sing a few tunes around the campfire at night to lighten the mood.

Sounds like a great idea Lady Lime. I know of a way to contact Noam Chomsky via email, and I've always thought it would be cool for Icke or Tsarion and him to have an in-depth discussion on certain matters that they disagree on.

There is a subscriber forum I wont name where Noam interacts on a semi-daily basis and always responds to points, often for days and weeks, like a long thread here. He's very obsessive about his mail and never fails to reply. An interesting thought too, isn't it?

[limelady]

Hi Size.....well its a fair while since I made the post you quoted, but I meant what I said. Would still love to get a gang of them together to thrash things out.

If you have an email addy for Norm, then why not send him the idea you've suggested above? Would make a great show!

Time is ticking along....and...

...its time for together-ness rather than separate-ness...

...tick, tick, tick :)

[size_of_light]

Hi Size.....well its a fair while since I made the post you quoted,

Didn't realise. I thought you wrote it yesterday :o

It's two years old! :p