Love Your Enemies (Matthew 5:43-44)

[ephilution]

http://facephil.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/love-your-enemies-matthew-543-44/

[consciousness]

I've always understood love your enemies to mean, to forgive them.

[cathar]

Trying to love your enemy sets up a psychological double bind and turns one into a sheep...This is why this absurd notion was foisted on Christians in the first place...A sociopath wants your pity first & formost...getting you to pity him is part of his stratagy to make YOU his victim...Jesus was NOT a wimp...He was a bad ass rebel & a fighter...suggest you read KING JESUS by Ralph Ellis...{unless you are happy being a sheep,then by all means buy into this love your enemy B*LL SH*T...}

[cathar]

:eek:I've always understood love your enemies to mean, to forgive them.

Some things are unforgivable...A sociopath wants you to forgive him so he can move on to another victim...Would you forgive a Ted Bundy if he had murdered someone you cared about...A sociopath does NOT have a conscience...They cannot change into a good person...They are "PASSING" as human..they are faking it 24/7...

[phildee3]

"If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head." Romans 12:20

This way, they will suffer much more from their karma than from any amount of justice or retribution we can impose upon them.

[f13ticket]

Forgiveness is paramount. But, sometimes, it's more four yourself than for the other. If we do not forgive, and punish, then we now have two wrongs instead of one. An eye for an eye thinks another band thing, another wrong, somehow equals and makes right. But another bad thing, another wrong, never makes a right.

How is the state killing a murderer not murder? One could say the murderer deserved it. Still, one could also say (such as crimes of passion) that the person the murderer killed deserved it. No one ever deserves to be killed. One killings the killer makes another wrong. It does not equal out. And, now, you're just as bad as the killer. All you have accomplished is bringing another bad into this world and tarnishing yourself.

We must forgive enemies. Even if they don't, "deserve it." Even if they don't want it. Even if it's hard. It's the right thing to do. It keeps more bad from coming into this world. And it keeps us from sinking to their level.

[cathar]

@ ticket & phildee...What planet are you guys living on???...If I might ask....just curious.Not trying to be confrontational....cathar

[f13ticket]

I find that those who choose to condemn others do not think things out to their logical end as they effectively condemn themselves.

What would your solution be? Kill the other person? How does that help? It is one more person who has died. Now you are giving the state permission to kill. That's not a good thing. And what if friends and relatives of a murderer don't feel that you are justified? And then they decide to kill you? The police are not body guards, and will not protect you. So, frankly, who is to protect you from them killing you for your hand in killing their friend/husband/son?

A death for a death? Your answer for killing is more killing? Wow... Doing something bad to a person for doing something bad. What a great way to show that you are just as bad as the person you are killing and, in your own mind and by your own standards, now deserve death yourself.

I wouldn't kill you, that's wrong.

Also, killing i frowned upon by most of spirituality and religion. So, I think that it would leave a rather large stain on yourself spiritually that would be very hard to remove. Again, because you have now sunken to the level of the original offender.

What you are talking about is not justice, it is vengeance. It is not productive, it is destructive. Those who live by the sword die by the sword. The only way out is if we all let go of the sword and stop killing.

[phildee3]

@ ticket & phildee...What planet are you guys living on???...If I might ask....just curious.Not trying to be confrontational....cathar



I'm on Earth.

[nectars]

Trying to love your enemy sets up a psychological double bind and turns one into a sheep...This is why this absurd notion was foisted on Christians in the first place...A sociopath wants your pity first & formost...getting you to pity him is part of his stratagy to make YOU his victim...Jesus was NOT a wimp...He was a bad ass rebel & a fighter...suggest you read KING JESUS by Ralph Ellis...{unless you are happy being a sheep,then by all means buy into this love your enemy B*LL SH*T...}

:eek:

Some things are unforgivable...A sociopath wants you to forgive him so he can move on to another victim...Would you forgive a Ted Bundy if he had murdered someone you cared about...A sociopath does NOT have a conscience...They cannot change into a good person...They are "PASSING" as human..they are faking it 24/7...

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@ ticket & phildee...What planet are you guys living on???...If I might ask....just curious.Not trying to be confrontational....cathar

Thats a bit rich coming from you is it not.

[phildee3]

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Thats a bit rich coming from you is it not.



Not really.
He's in Texas.
Probably never heard of Earth!
http://places2explore.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/gaylord-texan-fisheye-hdr-smallw.jpg
An hotel in Grapevine, Texas.

[ephilution]

Trying to love your enemy sets up a psychological double bind and turns one into a sheep...This is why this absurd notion was foisted on Christians in the first place...A sociopath wants your pity first & formost...getting you to pity him is part of his stratagy to make YOU his victim...Jesus was NOT a wimp...He was a bad ass rebel & a fighter...suggest you read KING JESUS by Ralph Ellis...{unless you are happy being a sheep,then by all means buy into this love your enemy B*LL SH*T...}

By advocating forgiveness I do imply abandonment of justice. If someone breaks God's laws he or she should seek penance or else face Karmic retribution. However, I do not think it is wise and expedient to become as one's perpetrator in seeking persecution of one's perpetrator. I do not think there's much benefit to be had in fighting fire with fire.

By the same token, I think the current prison system sucks donkey balls and is indeed as is mentioned in the movie Blow a crime school for all intents and purposes. I favor alternative sentencing, like mandatory apology from perpetrator to victim(s) and community service, as opposed to passing custodial sentences. Animals belong in cages, not human beings and when crime offenders are released again on the streets they are likely to have become an even bigger societal liability than they were when they got in.

If one is willing to forgive, one is willing to let go and relief oneself of a potentially formidable psychological burden that weighs heavy on the heart and soul. In effect, one is doing oneself the biggest favor by having a forgiving heart.