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jagalman

24-09-2007, 08:13 PM

By Henry Makow Ph.D.

A Chicago-area scholar, Christopher Jon Bjerknes, 42, thinks he knows what plagues mankind and believes his knowledge is necessary to stop Armageddon.

He says a heretical cult, the "Shabataian Frankists," controls organized Jewry, including Zionism and Freemasonry. They began as followers of Shabatai Zvi (1626-1676) and later Jacob Frank (1726-1791.) They believe Shabatai was the Messiah (God) and his soul has transmigrated down to the Rothschild dynasty, who are now the "king of the Jews."

According to their messianic system, Redemption requires that the Rothschilds become God, i.e. king of the world. This will see the sacrifice of 2/3 of all Jews and the destruction and enslavement of the rest of mankind. Bjerknes believes this demented creed actually is the motive force behind history, including all wars, and "world government."

Bjerknes (B-YERK-NES) is proud of his Norwegian Jewish heritage, ( maternal grandfather, a famous musician, was Jewish.) He has written two massive books-- one about Albert Einstein as a plagiarist, and another about the Shabataian inspired Armenian Genocide -- that include hundreds of pages of suppressed Jewish history. They can be found as PDFs at his web site http://www.jewishracism.com/

I think he exaggerates the importance of Jewish messianism but I may be wrong. His message is compelling and consistent with the Protocols of Zion where the author (whom I believe is Lionel Rothschild) talks about coming into his "kingdom."

The Shabataians believe their king is duty bound to restore the Jews to Israel and exterminate the Gentiles. They believe the Messiah won’t appear until the world succumbs to evil and are determined to make this prophecy self-fulfilling. Thus evil is good. In Bjerknes' view, this constitutes a "Jewish war against humanity." When Bjerknes refers to Jewish, he means "Shabataian."

The Shabataians are often sexual degenerates who engage in wife swapping, orgies and incest. They often pretend to be Christians or Moslems to worm their way into Gentile society in order to destroy it. (Jewish Genocide of Armenian Christians, pp.64-65.)

Bjerknes cites Deuteronomy as an example of this Jewish supremacism: "the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. " (7-16) "And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of you." (28:10)

He points to Zachariah [13;8-9] as evidence that Jews will be slaughtered: "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein."

[9] "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God." (He also cites Ezekiel 5:12-13 to this effect.)

On pp. 43-46 of Jewish Genocide, Bjerknes cites references from the Talmud and the Old Testament to the plan to exterminate and enslave Gentiles.

For example ,Genesis 25;23, and 27;38-41 promises the Gentiles to the Jews as their slaves and slave soldiers, and gives an incentive to exterminate the Gentiles simply because they dare resent their fate.

ROTHSCHILDS FOLLOW BIBLICAL BLUEPRINT

At the beginning of the 19th century the Rothschilds started campaigning to return the Jews to Israel, purchasing land there and scheming to breakup the Ottoman Empire. They later bought the Suez Canal to project their power into the Middle East. Bjerknes writes:

"The ruin of the Turkish Empire and the mass murder of the Armenian Christians were one step on the long and tumultuous Jewish march toward the death of mankind. The ruin of the Russian empire was another, followed by the repeated destruction of Europe, particularly Germany in the World Wars this Jewish cult created in an attempt to artificially fulfill Messianic prophecy and force the Jews of Europe against their will to flee to Palestine." (66)

According to Bjerknes, Jewish support was the only thing lacking in the the Rothschilds' plan to establish a world government in Jerusalem, with them as king:

"They could bankrupt Egypt and Turkey. They could bring Russia to ruins. They could buy Jewish ne'er-do-wells. They could even buy the Pope but the only way to force Jews in large numbers to Palestine was to put Hitler and Stalin in power and persecute Jews on a massive and unprecedented scale." (291)

CHRISTIANS ARE BEING DUPED

Bjerknes has a poignant warning to Christians:

"In the Jewish dominated media of today, we find many Jews preaching to the public that the end times are coming and that Christians ought to view their own destruction in a positive light as if it were the divine fulfillment of Christian and Jewish prophecy. Many Christians have been duped by these charlatan...the destruction of the world and its nations is occurring as the result of the deliberate intervention of immensely wealthy Jews and not as the result of God's will. These Jewish leaders view the Hebrew Bible as a plan, which they are deliberately fulfilling.... (327)

WHERE BJERKNES AND I DIFFER

As my readers know I see the New World Order as an elite conspiracy driven primarily by the central bankers' desire to consolidate their monopoly on credit and power. I believe there is a strong "Jewish" element but that they have co-opted all gentile elites using intermarriage, Freemasonry (run by the Illuminati), and Aryanism. Look at the Gentile membership of the Illuminati Skull and Bones for example. Bjerknes doesn't think the Illuminati is still in business and downplays the Gentile role.

In an email, Bjerknes writes that intermarriage is part of the "Jewish" strategy:

"I believe that powerful Jewish interests have been deliberately attempting to fulfill Jewish messianic prophecy for 2,500 years and have duped many Gentiles into helping them obtain their objectives. They have also recruited many Gentiles through intermarriage, friendship and selfish interests, who are not dupes, but commit inhuman acts out of greed, vanity, or for other immoral reasons. Do they believe that what they are doing is evil? I suspect some do.

I am not opposed to identifying secret societies and the ties among the elite. I simply do not see any justification for calling them Illuminati. As for the overall path of politics and the faces of those who are pushing the cart toward WW III, I think I and countless others have proven that it is a Jewish movement, and that the Illuminati were nothing but a small part of this Jewish movement to gin up an apocalypse, which dates back at least 2,500 years. Of course not everything happening today has a Jewish hand steering its course. But I do believe that powerful Jewish interests ...have the ability to exert more influence than all other groups combined, for the very reason that they have infiltrated so many organizations, religions and governments, and have such disproportionate influence in the media."

CONCLUSION

I wouldn’t be presenting this material if I didn’t think it important to examine Jewish messianism. If world events indeed are driven by the Rothschild's megalomania propped up by Shabataian ,Old Testament and Talmudic fanaticism, I think Jews and non-Jews alike would want to know, and take exception.

Certainly the role of Jewish Rothschild agents in advocating for the Iraq war and an attack on Iran is consistent with the profile above.

If Bjerknes is right, "anti-Semitism" is exposed as psychological warfare designed to disarm opposition to an insidious agenda by portraying this opposition as racist. It is also used to manipulate Jews who have been opposed to the Rothschild's insane agenda, and victims of it.

28th kingdom

24-09-2007, 08:47 PM

I defy anyone to read all of that. :P Seriously... anyone who makes it all the way through - raise yer hand.

mr jones

24-09-2007, 09:01 PM

that may be the case. but for now lets just be pc about it.
the "illuminati" are the bad guys, not the *hushed voice* jews. erm.. the good folk of judea

december

24-09-2007, 09:03 PM

Here's one good book whitten by a Jew:

:)

Jewish History, Jewish Religion:
The Weight of Three Thousand Years

by Professor Israel Shahak

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis1.htm

Foreword:
Sometime in the late 1950s, that world-class gossip and occasional historian, John F. Kennedy, told me how, in 1948, Harry S. Truman had been pretty much abandoned by everyone when he came to run for president. Then an American Zionist brought him two million dollars in cash, in a suitcase, aboard his whistle-stop campaign train. 'That's why our recognition of Israel was rushed through so fast.' As neither Jack nor I was an antisemite (unlike his father and my grandfather) we took this to be just another funny story about Truman and the serene corruption of American politics.

Unfortunately, the hurried recognition of Israel as a state has resulted in forty-five years of murderous confusion, and the destruction of what Zionist fellow travellers thought would be a pluralistic state - home to its native population of Muslims, Christians and Jews, as well as a future home to peaceful European and American Jewish immigrants, even the ones who affected to believe that the great realtor in the sky had given them, in perpetuity, the lands of Judea and Sameria. Since many of the immigrants were good socialists in Europe, we assumed that they would not allow the new state to become a theocracy, and that the native Palestinians could live with them as equals. This was not meant to be. I shall not rehearse the wars and alarms of that unhappy region. But I will say that the hasty invention of Israel has poisoned the political and intellectual life of the USA, Israel's unlikely patron.

Unlikely, because no other minority in American history has ever hijacked so much money from the American taxpayers in order to invest in a 'homeland'. It is as if the American taxpayer had been obliged to support the Pope in his reconquest of the Papal States simply because one third of our people are Roman Catholic. Had this been attempted, there would have been a great uproar and Congress would have said no. But a religious minority of less than two per cent has bought or intimidated seventy senators (the necessary two thirds to overcome an unlikely presidential veto) while enjoying support of the media.

In a sense, I rather admire the way that the Israel lobby has gone about its business of seeing that billions of dollars, year after year, go to make Israel a 'bulwark against communism'. Actually, neither the USSR nor communism was ever much of a presence in the region. What America did manage to do was to turn the once friendly Arab world against us. Meanwhile, the misinformation about what is going on in the Middle East has got even greater and the principal victim of these gaudy lies - the American taxpayer to one side - is American Jewry, as it is constantly bullied by such professional terrorists as Begin and Shamir. Worse, with a few honorable exceptions, Jewish-American intellectuals abandoned liberalism for a series of demented alliances with the Christian (antisemtic) right and with the Pentagon-industrial complex. In 1985 one of them blithely wrote that when Jews arrived on the American scene they 'found liberal opinion and liberal politicians more congenial in their attitudes, more sensitive to Jewish concerns' but now it is in the Jewish interest to ally with the Protestant fundamentalists because, after all, "is there any point in Jews hanging on dogmatically, hypocritically, to their opinions of yesteryear?' At this point the American left split and those of us who criticised our onetime Jewish allies for misguided opportunism, were promptly rewarded with the ritual epithet 'antisemite' or 'self-hating Jew'.

Fortunately, the voice of reason is alive and well, and in Israel, of all places. From Jerusalem, Israel Shahak never ceases to analyse not only the dismal politics of Israel today but the Talmud itself, and the effect of the entire rabbinical tradition on a small state that the right-wing rabbinate means to turn into a theocracy for Jews only. I have been reading Shahak for years. He has a satirist's eye for the confusions to be found in any religion that tries to rationalise the irrational. He has a scholar's sharp eye for textual contradictions. He is a joy to read on the great Gentile-hating Dr Maimonides.

Needless to say, Israel's authorities deplore Shahak. But there is not much to be done with a retired professor of chemistry who was born in Warsaw in 1933 and spent his childhood in the concentration camp at Belsen. In 1945, he came to Israel; served in the Israeli military; did not become a Marxist in the years when it was fashionable. He was - and still is - a humanist who detests imperialism whether in the names of the God of Abraham or of George Bush. Equally, he opposes with great wit and learning the totalitarian strain in Judaism. Like a highly learned Thomas Paine, Shahank illustrates the prospect before us, as well as the long history behind us, and thus he continues to reason, year after year. Those who heed him will certainly be wiser and - dare I say? - better. He is the latest, if not the last, of the great prophets.

- Gore Vidal

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soglad

24-09-2007, 09:04 PM

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Z2MNVKVVL._SS500_.jpg

HAHAHAHAH!!

Are those little hats they're wearing???

Religion makes people do funny things! :D:D:D

hehehe

serpentoffire

24-09-2007, 09:09 PM

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/134250/2/istockphoto_134250_jewish_emblem_on_white_backgrou nd.jpg

december

24-09-2007, 09:09 PM

I defy anyone to read all of that. :P Seriously... anyone who makes it all the way through - raise yer hand.

Wow!...
This statement reminds of the Soviet Union and its comminists...

28th kingdom, have you ever heard of Andrei Sakharov?
He was not allowed to speak...

(Russian: Андре́й Дми́триевич Са́харов) (May 21, 1921 – December 14, 1989) was an eminent Soviet nuclear physicist, dissident and human rights activist. Sakharov was an advocate of civil liberties and reforms in the Soviet Union. He was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1975.

Between 1980 to 1986, Sakharov was kept under tight Soviet police surveillance. In his memoirs he mentions that their apartment in Gorky was repeatedly subjected to searches and heists. He remained isolated but unrepentant until December 1986 when he was allowed to return to Moscow as Mikhail Gorbachev initiated the policies of perestroika and glasnost.

Andrei Sakharov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/200212/images/120216a.jpg

december

24-09-2007, 09:12 PM

HAHAHAHAH!!

Are those little hats they're wearing???

Religion makes people do funny things! :D:D:D

hehehe

Yeah... I know...
Please, read this book by professor Israel Shahak -

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis1.htm

soglad

24-09-2007, 09:13 PM

Yeah... I know...
Please, read this book by professor Israel Shahak -

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis1.htm

Erm, no. I'm afraid I couldn't care in the slightest. I just found the hats funny.

People are STRANGE. :confused:

december

24-09-2007, 09:15 PM

Erm, no. I'm afraid I couldn't care in the slightest.

But how can you learn about the subject without reading the book?

nickatnoon61

26-09-2007, 05:22 AM

But how can you learn about the subject without reading the book?

Thanx December,:) I saved all 6 chapters to my computer.

father ted

26-09-2007, 07:26 AM

I defy anyone to read all of that. :P Seriously... anyone who makes it all the way through - raise yer hand.

Yeah, I hate long posts, what's more, I feel stupid for replying to this.

nickatnoon61

26-09-2007, 07:55 AM

0I defy anyone to read all of that. :P Seriously... anyone who makes it all the way through - raise yer hand.

My hand is raised 28th K! I want to know the truth and sitting watching the TV, which also reduces one's attention span, is a BIG lie!!!! I have read many "non-mainstream" articles and books, and along with my experience and discernment, it has given me more than a few pieces of the puzzle, and thus not as controllable!:)

albie

26-09-2007, 11:59 AM

It doesn't matter what is in those books. They will be only half the story and a manipulative one as well.

nickatnoon61

26-09-2007, 08:27 PM

It doesn't matter what is in those books. They will be only half the story and a manipulative one as well.

Yes Albie and your credibility is impeccable!!!! ha ha Do you ever post anything that has any value, and might help someone??? :confused:

nickatnoon61

27-09-2007, 08:19 AM

[QUOTE=nickatnoon61;137587]0

My hand is raised 28th K! I want to know the truth and sitting watching the TV, which also reduces one's attention span, is a BIG lie!!!! I have read many "non-mainstream" articles and books, and along with my experience and discernment, it has given me more than a few pieces of the puzzle, and thus, I am not as controllable!:)

damagedbrainn

27-09-2007, 08:48 PM

All I can think to say is Fuck you for trying to use Gore Vidal to endorse paranoid, anti-semitic White Nationalism.

eternal_spirit

27-09-2007, 11:43 PM

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

eternal_spirit

28-09-2007, 12:12 AM

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

nickatnoon61

28-09-2007, 12:52 AM

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. Part One
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. Part Two
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. Part Three

soglad

28-09-2007, 12:55 AM

I love Jews.

peachped

28-09-2007, 01:31 AM

I love Jews.

They're a great set of lads! :)

C',mon let's have your favourite Jews, mine are Iggy Pop, Aaron Russo, and Woody Allen. Any more?

eternal_spirit

28-09-2007, 01:36 AM

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=9120049186277444285&q=Jewish+circumcision&total=58&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=01 min vid

Videos not working! google video search for Jewish circumcision this vids on the first results page.

eternal_spirit

28-09-2007, 01:38 AM

Eliphas Levi, Anton La Vey, Michael Aquino..... Three famous satanists.

snoopsnuffleopagus

28-09-2007, 06:57 AM

Ladies & Gentlemen, Cordial Felicitations:

My Favourite Jew?: Yahshua Messiah.

for: 'Shits & Giggles': Kinky Friedman and his Band, The Texas Jewboys.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

damagedbrainn

28-09-2007, 08:53 AM

Eliphas Levi, Anton La Vey, Michael Aquino..... Three famous satanists.

Eliphas Levi was a catholic.

eternal_spirit

28-09-2007, 12:25 PM

Eliphas Levi was a catholic.

...........

He was a catholic priest for sometime. Many satanists infiltrate the Church. Much of Levi's work originated from the Kabbalah.

eternal_spirit

28-09-2007, 01:35 PM

http://www.davidicke.com/content/blogcategory/30/82/ (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/../content/blogcategory/30/82/)

Thursday, 27 September 2007 The Imperialism of Jewish Capital

By Henry Makow

'A recent UN study says 2% of the world's population own 50% of the wealth, while half own barely 1% of the wealth. Needless to say, the richest 2% are mainly the London-based bankers and people associated with them. Today, British, American and Zionist imperialism manifest the banker agenda for "world government" through the destruction of religion, nation, race and family. This imperialism does not express the interests or wishes of ordinary English, American or Jewish people.'

Read more ... (http://www.henrymakow.com/the_imperialism_of_jewish_capi.html)

synergy777

28-09-2007, 01:49 PM

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7246

Calls for True Dialogue With Ahmadinejad
Neturei Karta International – Press Release September 24, 2007

Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, spokesman of Neturei Karta International, issued the following statement on the eve of the group's meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

"It is always our pleasure to visit with President Ahmadinejad. This will be the third such meeting, in addition to our many visits to Iran in the past. We have each time emphasized to the Iranian leadership that, despite media hysteria and the statements of some misinformed Jews, we have found the Iranian people and their leaders to be friendly and respectful.

"Likewise, although we as Jews are not to be involved in politics, (According to Jewish law, Jewish people are required to be loyal citizens to the countries wherein they reside), We have found the Iranian President to be a deeply religious man, dedicated to a peaceful world, based on mutual respect, fairness and dialogue.

"Judaism seeks peace. Unfortunately, there are some Jews today, influenced by the barely century old, philosophy of Zionism, who feel that the proper Jewish response to enemies, be they real or fantasized, is aggression and calls for violence and unfortunately attempts to drag other nations down the path of war.

"It is sad that so few have actually attempted to speak to the Iranian President or seek the true opinion of Iranian Jewry who live in peace and practice their faith throughout that nation. We have met this man who has demonstrated time and again that he is sincerely interested in the well being of Iran's Jewish community and has deep respect for world Jewry and their Torah faith, The Zionist attempt to socially isolate this man and his people is immoral and disastrous.

"Zionism is antithetical to Torah beliefs. It believes in creating our own sovereign entity which is expressly forbidden due to the Divine decree of exile. This ideology leads to aggression against nations and is incarnated in the State of 'Israel.' This State continually oppresses other people in the name of Judaism and the entire Jewish people. This movement has exacerbated anti Semitism throughout the world. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad understands this distinction between traditional Judaism and Zionist distortion.

"We view our approach to Iran as a model for all Jews and all mankind. The Torah is the Almighty's blueprint of mercy and justice for all creation. We have followed this modal in our dealings with the Iranian President and found in him an individual dedicated to these same ideals. There is much to be gained by talking and listening and everything to be lost by raising the rhetoric in the direction of war. The grave tragedy of our era is the inordinate power garnered by Zionism, whose acceptance of force as the only means to reconcile conflicts, has influenced some to abandon Torah fundamentals. We hope and pray that they too will adopt the traditional Jewish approach of dialogue, respect and reconciliation.

"War is a horrible thing. The dark clouds of a future conflict are now on the horizon in the Middle East. Torah Jewry hopes and prays that this may yet be averted."

In conclusion says rabbi Weiss, "Out of great respect to the Iranian Nation and their leadership we proudly welcome the Honorable President Ahmadinejad to New York, WELCOME!"

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...e,183456.shtml

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http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

Traditional Jews Are Not Zionists
Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews

http://www.nkusa.org/

NETUREI KARTA AROUND THE WORLD

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

Contrary to common perception, Jewish anti-Zionism is not restricted exclusively to the well know Jewish anti-Zionist movements such as Satmar and Neturei Karta.

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see jews and zionists are not the same.

zionists/wahabbis/british israelis are the elites controlled oppostion, to engineer this endgame.

all real jews, muslims, christians are people of the book, hence brothers/sisters, and if they follow their religions truthfully, they would not harm eachother.

i am glad neturei karta did this, they even did a demonstration in london. this kind of awareness/wisdom gives great hope.

nickatnoon61

28-09-2007, 04:08 PM

From:
Subject: Re: Suworow Read from bottom up......

You obviously know a great deal more about Halder than I. I only know of him mainly from one source -- his own memoirs (Russian translation thereof), which I read some forty years ago. So he, too, was one of the toffs who dispised the little Austrian corporal... However, he was also one of the very few, who had enough guts to contradict Mr Hitler to his face. However, looking at the broader picture, Mr Hitler's attempt to have his phenomenal domestic political and economic success promptly translated into a pan-European military triumph, including Barbarossa, took poor old Germany to the very limits of her capabilities. And it's those snooty Prussian toffs, who could very well see Wehrmacht's and Germany's limitations, while Mr Hitler refused to see them. And generalizing further still, not at all unlike Napoleon before him, it's Mr Hitler himself, who made the "anti-Hitler coalition" possible -- no stranger bedfellows ever crawled under one blanket. He claimed to have studied Napoleon's campaign in Russia. But did he ever bother to read Machiavelli?... Too much "fuck all" and not enough "divide and rule"! And I maintain that he didn't need to invade Russia. Stalin was a very cruel, but a very cowardly predator. He posed no threat to strong Germany -- only to weak one. The German diplomat in Moscow who described Russia as a colossus on feet of clay wasn't wrong. And while Barbarossa very nearly proved this, having ultimately failed, it also forced a radical change of the Soviet military from Stalin's Potemkin village political appendage capable of gross intimidation, but little else, into a modern war machine to be counted with on the battlefield. And, as they took to saying in Russia after the war, nobody puts on trial the winners. Though, of course, the only true WW2 winners are the Jews, not the poor old Russians and not even the not-so-rich "rich" Yanks, who don't own their own streets, let alone their country.

You don't mention General Vlasov and other Soviet officers who stated that Hitler was right to attack when he did as Stalin was getting ready to attack him. No one tortured them into saying these things. As for Franz Halder being a credible source, surely you must be joking? He was an early anti Hitler general and was privy to the bomb plot of July 1944. After this he was imprisoned but his dislike of Hitler was because of him coming from a working class background while he came from the officer aristocracy class who thought they had all the answers. Halder was one of the generals who had to be talked into the blitzkrieg against France in 1940 because he and the other fossils wanted to replicate the Schlieffen Plan of 1914. He was forcibly retired by Hitler after Operation Barbarossa because of his inadequacies as a general. Halder seethed over this and joined the anti Hitler plotters for personal revenge. It didn't matter that the Anglo-Americans whom he wanted to m! ake peace with were busy incinerating hundreds of thousands of German women and children. Halder also made the dubious statement that Hermann Goering told him "I am the only one who knows about the Reichstag fire because I am the one who lit it". This turncoat Halder testified at the Nuremberg trials I believe or at least his testimony was read to the kangaroo court.

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Subject : Re: Suworow

Date : Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:35:33 +1000 (EST)

From :
To : "Dr. Gunther Kümel"
Cc :

Dear Dr Kümel,

to my own surprize, I completely understood your letter. Even though, many words are unfamiliar to me, most can be understood from the context. The general familiarity of the subject was also helpful.

While Victor "Suvorov" is a very able writer, his interpretations could be somewhat difficult to vouch for. I haven't heard yet of him as being a general, but his chosen pseudonym is a bit presumptuous. You could translate it into German as "von Klausewitz" -- or as "Wellington" in English.

Stalin was wholly in the business of staying at the top of the power pyramid in Russia. Some paper plans in the safe of the General Staff of the Red Army were nothing but rubbish to him, if they could shake the foundations of his (usurped) throne -- and that's about all that they could do.

Another thing to know about Stalin is that he was among the great admirers of Hitler in a way not entirely dissimilar to that in which Hitler was a closet Anglophile. Of course, he would have gladly swollowed him, if he could. But he was pretty sure that he couldn't -- and that's precisely why he admired him -- as, supposedly, a more powerful predator. And, ever since the Blitzkrieg in France, he was positively in awe of him -- and, quite literally, behaved as a rabbit "hypnotized" by a large snake. Yes, Barbarossa was able to progress as far as it did mainly due to Stalin's total neglect to prepare for war. He put his total trust into that lousy piece of paper co-signed by Molotov and Ribbentrop -- and shot or sent to concentration camps anyone who tried to tell him that Mr Hitler means war, as far as he is concerned. As the Russian war historian General Volkogonov put it, "the war was won despite Stalin, not because of him". And, of course, Gen. Volkogono! v is a

far more reliable source than Victor "Suvorov". (Gen-oberst Franz Halder is also a good source.) As to some three million Soviet POWs taken by the Wehrmacht within the first few months of Barbarossa, the Red Army was the largest system of concentration camps in the Soviet Empire and nearly all between 18 and 21 were its prisoners, hence such numbers as there were. As you may have heard, some two decades earlier, Comrade Trotzky threatened to shoot whole families of the Red Army deserters. Just as well, Stalin gave him the taste of his own medicine -- for his own reasons, of course.

Regards,

Jack Selzer

"Dr. Gunther Kümel" wrote:

Liebe Leute,

Obwohl ihr aus Australien schreibt, nehme ich doch an, daß wir deutsch miteinander reden können.

Was ihr über Zündel-Stauffenberg schreibt, findet zum großen Teil meine Zustimmung, aber in einem Punkt seid ihr von gewaltigen Irrtümern befangen: der Frage, warum Hitler den Feldzug "Barabarossa" ausgelöst hat.

Eine ganze Kohorte von Forschern hat dargelegt, was dahinter steckte: Helmdach, Post, Hoffmann, Thadden, Strauss, Topitsch, um nur eine Auswahl zu nennen, die mir gerade einfällt. Zuletzt hat ein sowjetischer General, der unter dem Namen Suworow schreibt, präzise dargelegt, daß Hitler die Pläne Stalins zum großen Schlag gegen Mittel- und Westeuropa bekannt geworden sind. Die Sowjets hatten seit 1925 (!!!) auf diesen Plan energisch hingearbeitet, am 22.06.1941 stand der sowjetische Angriff kurz bevor. Die deutschen Truppen stießen in einen fast fertigen Aufmarsch allergrößten Ausmaßes hinein. Anders wären die Millionen Kriegsgefangenen der ersten Monate auch gar nicht erklärbar, diese Massen von Soldaten, die an der Grenze bereitstanden, standen nicht zur Defensive dort.

freundliche Grüße

Gunther Kümel

(if contrary to my guess you do not understand German, tell me, I will repeat my argument in English)

nickatnoon61

28-09-2007, 04:25 PM

gin forwarded message:

From:
Subject: Re: Suworow READ FROM BOTTOM UP......

Paul,
you are obviously getting a very strong signal from your local radio station to the point where all other signals are drowned out. "Roosevelt and Stalin had already divided Germany up into two zones BEFORE Hitler came to power" is especially doubtful. Have a look at the dates. There is no doubt that the Third Reich was the highest point in the modern history just as Athens and Rome were the highest points in the ancient one. There is no doubt, either, that, while crossing the Rubicon was the right decision for Caesar, it was wrong for Mr Hitler. He created casus belli, which could and probably would have killed him -- and the Third Reich -- even if he had overrun Russia. Had Germany not capitulated before August 1945, Hiroshima and Nagasaki may well have had German names. Please, allow me to plagiarize myself: "And it might be also worth recalling just how the Manhattan Project – and the first A-bombs that holocausted Hiroshima and Nagasaki came about – as a result of the three mass murder-minded Jews writing a letter to the part-Jew Roosevelt (Rosenfeld) and getting it endorsed by the Relativity Jew Einstein. WW2 was yet to begin, but the Jews were actively planning a deadly and destructive racial revenge against the “evil Germany” well beforehand!" On the other hand, had Mr Hitler not bothered invading Poland, despite the Poles holding on fast to every inch of Eastern Prussia that fell into their hands at Versailles, just how far the extremely costly and (at the time) scientifically doubtful Manhattan Project would have got? Though, of course, you might say that Mr Hitler was in no position to benefit from the wisdom of the hind sight. No, he wasn't, but that doesn't change anything, does it?
Jack

wrote:
Gents,
Let me first say I knew Gross-Admiral Dönitz personally and I had contact to a number of officers that worked in the highest echelons of the OKW. I knew men in the AH Leibstandarte and Officers who worked in the Bendler Str.
This following statement And it's those snooty Prussian toffs, who could very well see Wehrmacht's and Germany's limitations, while Mr Hitler refused to see them. Puts the situation back to front...ALL higher officers INCLUDING AH knew Germanys resources and manpower were limited...I agree with Dr Kümel and add that Germany was SURROUNDED by countries that wanted their piece of Germany. Poland had not only grabbed large areas of Germany after WW1 but was demanding more. Stalin had sent out dozens of Agitators to stir up the Communist 'Workers' preparing the way for his takeover. After WW1 there was fighting on the streets in most major German cities as the Reds tried to take over.
Those 'snooty Prussian Toffs' as you call them merely thought they could run things more successfully but not one of them had AHs charisma NOR DID they have his overview of the situation.
Hitler DID NOT start WW2. Roosevelt & Stalin had already divided Germany up into two zones BEFORE Hitler came to power.
Hitler did not have a massive army, When the war really got going the German military was Outnumbered by over 1000: 1. The UK and France had more aircraft, ships and men (even without the Br Commonwealth) than Hitler ever did and when the US & Soviets opted in the ONLY thing that caused the war to go on for such a long time was the committment of every German soldier.
I would say SUWOROW actually probably UNDERestimated the situation.
One German Landser I spoke to who was in Barbarossa said his unit visited a Russian school and the kids could all speak some German....when he asked WHY they were learning German...the answer was 'Comrade Stalin says we are all going to live there soon'.
Nobody knew better than Hitler what forces he was up against, his letters to friends illustrate his apprehension about Op Barbarossa...but if you have to King Hit someone you have to do it. In Nth Germany we say Wat Mutt, dat Mutt (What has to happen, has to happen)

Paul

malvern

28-09-2007, 04:49 PM

ALL GROUPS bullshit that there believes are the Best and that you are the chosen few,,,, brainwash bullshit for the sheeple... you are your goodness, you are your god only you and you alone chose what you do, good or bad,,, remember it's you who sleeps with what you have done , no one else. Also all these chosen ones,sheeplewould be killed when the course nolonger needs them.
Do not waste your time, find your own inner spirt, be grounded and be free.

freedom for all:)

eternal_spirit

28-09-2007, 04:57 PM

eternal_spirit

28-09-2007, 06:11 PM

Allegations of anti-Semitism

Icke's theories have been attacked as anti-Semitic because of his references to a secret elite that rules the world, which includes prominent Jewish banking families, who he says planned the Holocaust and financed Adolf Hitler, and his use of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. In ... And the Truth Shall Set You Free he wrote:

I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War. This Jewish/non-Jewish Elite used the First World War to secure the Balfour Declaration and the principle of the Jewish State of Israel. They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament." [3]

In 1995, Alick Bartholomew of Gateway, at that time Icke's publisher, told the London Evening Standard that an early draft of ... And the Truth Shall Set You Free contained "revisionist Holocaust material." [4]

Icke has cited white supremacist, neo-Nazi and other far-right publications in his books. British journalist Simon Jones notes that the bibliography of ... And the Truth Shall Set You Free lists The Spotlight, formerly published by the now-defunct Liberty Lobby, and which Icke calls "excellent," and On Target, published by the Australian League of Rights, which has organized speaking tours for Holocaust denier David Irving. Jones writes: "It's tempting to dismiss David Icke as a confused and ignorant man, manipulated by extremists in order to present their philosophy in a socially acceptable format. But Icke clearly understands the implications of his words." [22]

Mark Honigsbaum has written about the apparent link between the more extreme New Age proponents and the far-right armed militia movement in the U.S. [4] Icke's books contain multiple references to the "Illuminati," which Icke and the militia movement believe constitutes the secret government they call the "New World Order". In 1995, Honigsbaum wrote in the London Evening Standard that Combat 18, the British neo-Nazi group, was publicizing Icke's speaking tour of the UK in its internal magazine, Putsch. The magazine wrote that Icke spoke about "'the sheep' and how the 'illuminati', uses them for its own ends". [4] The story continued: "[Icke] began to talk about the big conspiracy by a group of bankers, media moguls etc. — always being clever enough not to mention what all these had in common." [4]

Icke believes that Combat 18 is a front for the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which in turn is an "Illuminati front." [14] The role of the ADL, he says, is to "brand as anti-Semitic" anyone who gets close to "the truth." [14] In ... And the Truth Shall Set You Free, he wrote: "In Britain, I am told by an extremely reliable source very close to the intelligence organisations that the "far-right" group, Combat 18, is a front for the sinister Anti-Defamation League, the United States arm of the Israeli/Rothschild secret service, Mossad. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has been operating in Britain and Europe since at least 1991 and its role is to brand as anti-Semitic anyone who is getting close to the truth of what is going on. What better way to discredit an investigator than to have a "far-Right" group like Combat 18 to praise them?" [28]

Icke has strongly denied that his reptiles represent Jews, calling it "friggin' nonsense." [14] "I am not an anti-Semite!", he told The Guardian, "I have a great respect for the Jewish people." [5] He maintains that the reptilians are not human, and therefore not Jewish, but are "extra-dimensional entities" that enter and control human minds. "This is not a Jewish plot. This is not a plot on the world by Jewish people," he told Jon Ronson. [14]

During a question-and-answer session after one of his lectures, Icke told Jones: "I believe that people have a right to believe, to read, and have access to all information, so that they can then make up their own minds what to think. If something is a nonsense, and if something doesn't stand up, it will be shown to be a nonsense in the spotlight of the public arena." [22]

British journalist Louis Theroux, reviewing Jon Ronson's Them: Adventures with Extremists, cautioned against accusing Icke of anti-Semitism: "Icke's 'theory' is basically The Protocols of the Elders of Zion with a new cast and a few script changes. Not surprisingly, Icke has come under suspicion of anti-Semitism.... Not only might it be unfair to Icke, but by implying that he is so dangerous that he has to be censored, the watchdogs are giving a patina of seriousness to ideas that are — let's face it — very, very silly." [29]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_ickeAllegations_of_anti-Semitism

nickatnoon61

28-09-2007, 06:53 PM

Good posts Nick. Like I've been saying for sometime now. The German's where forced into War.

The word Holocaust means (burnt offering) Which originates from the Jewish Human ritual sacrafice to the demon god Bal, bel.

Thanx ES, I read that also. It figures, the meaning of "holocaust" is the opposite of what we have been taught! Show me anything mainstream...(see Jewish/Zionist produced), that isn't!!!Paul is my email buddy who has spent 38 years investigating the camps in Germany and Poland, but the "fluoridated brains" have their own TV-minds made up already! There is no room for a second opinion. "There's one born every day...and they let them live!!!" ha ha :D Just read the detractor's other posts, to find out how limited(ignorant) and addicted(porn) they are!

eternal_spirit

28-09-2007, 08:21 PM

Thanx ES, I read that also. It figures, the meaning of "holocaust" is the opposite of what we have been taught! Show me anything mainstream...(see Jewish/Zionist produced), that isn't!!!Paul is my email buddy who has spent 38 years investigating the camps in Germany and Poland, but the "fluoridated brains" have their own TV-minds made up already! There is no room for a second opinion. "There's one born every day...and they let them live!!!" ha ha :D Just read the detactor's other posts, to find out how limited(ignorant) and addicted(porn) they are!

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Paul nice one. The video I posted about how 100 million non jews where slaughtered by the Communist jews didn't seem to bat an eyelid. ( that should be a real WAKE UP CALL! ) Some are probably to busy watching that mostly Jewish run porn crap. I'd like to hear the counter argument but all they come up with is comments like Nazi etc LOL!

nickatnoon61

29-09-2007, 12:02 AM

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Paul nice one. The video I posted about how 100 million non jews where slaughtered by the Communist jews didn't seem to bat an eyelid. ( that should be a real WAKE UP CALL! ) Some are probably to busy watching that mostly Jewish run porn crap. I'd like to hear the counter argument but all they come up with is comments like Nazi etc LOL! It is much easier to name-call, than think outside the box,and READ/research!!!! Icky must have gone thru hell in the beginning.(the son of god stage) Who is more brainwashed...the limeys or yanks????? :confused:

damagedbrainn

29-09-2007, 12:19 AM

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He was a catholic priest for sometime. Many satanists infiltrate the Church. Much of Levi's work originated from the Kabbalah.

I don't believe that Eliphas Levi was a Satanist, but that wasn't what I was trying to point out. What I WAS trying to point out to you was that he was NOT Jewish.

There were more gentiles involved in the occult than jews.

nickatnoon61

29-09-2007, 12:34 AM

nickatnoon61

29-09-2007, 12:37 AM

I love Jews.
Yah Soggy, me too! Do you prefer them toasted or baked??? Into ze ovens mit you!!! Get a shave wilya!!!!(avatar) :D

damagedbrainn

29-09-2007, 12:41 AM

BRAIN DAMAGE ha ha The surname Levi, is as Jewish as Matzah Ball soup!!!!

I'm not sure that it is (likely all "funny" names sound "jewish" to nazis), but that doesn't really matter because "Eliphas Levi" wasn't his real name anyway. For fuck sake, you could've found that out by spending 30 seconds on google.

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 12:45 AM

I don't believe that Eliphas Levi was a Satanist, but that wasn't what I was trying to point out. What I WAS trying to point out to you was that he was NOT Jewish.

There were more gentiles involved in the occult than jews.

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And bears don't shit in the woods!
Maybe Santa Claus is Jesus or Satan?
There are more gentiles on the Planet could this be why?
Christianity came from Judaism ( Old Testament) Satanism wouldn't exist without the Bible. But there was other forms of Demon worship before that for sure. The Egyptians worshipped SET ....See the connection Temple of Set, Satanic group.

nickatnoon61

29-09-2007, 12:58 AM

you could've found that out by spending 30 seconds on google. Why should I waste my time, when I already know??? Great username,BTW!!! :D

damagedbrainn

29-09-2007, 01:07 AM

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And bears don't shit in the woods!
Maybe Santa Claus is Jesus or Satan?
There are more gentiles on the Planet could this be why?
Christianity came from Judaism ( Old Testament) Satanism wouldn't exist without the Bible. But there was other forms of Demon worship before that for sure. The Egyptians worshipped SET ....See the connection Temple of Set, Satanic group.

And that proves that Eliphas Levi was a satanist (or a Jew)....how exactly?

Anyway....you're exactly right, "Satanism" would not exist without the Bible, or most notably, Christianity, which is why "Satanism" as people discuss it most often in this forum is a flat-out myth. Using the occult for negative purposes? Absolutely. That's been around for quite some time, and some of these "satanists" that you're pointing out (Eliphas Levi, Aleister Crowley) discuss such things in a negative light. Is that the only way in which the occult can be used? No, it's a fairly nuetral discipline. However, you've chosen to label anything and everything (and anyone and everyone) that has anything to do with the occult (ie, anything non-christian) as "Satanism", which is just childish and stupid.

lifeofbrian

29-09-2007, 01:10 AM

You've all disappeared up your own backsides at this point so -

for tomorrow -

you can choose between

a) rugby

b) cricket

c) wrestling

Har Har.

May the funniest bloke win. :)

damagedbrainn

29-09-2007, 01:12 AM

Why should I waste my time, when I already know??? Great username,BTW!!! :D

Yeah, I'm sure you knew that already, you were just checking to see if I knew it.

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 01:18 AM

You've all disappeared up your own backsides at this point so -

for tomorrow -

you can choose between

a) rugby

b) cricket

c) wrestling

Har Har.

May the funniest bloke win. :)

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http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/4929/nurpassheadjf8.gif

:D

Sundays the main event.....Womens world cup
Football final. :)
make sure you walk the dogs before kick off. ;)

damagedbrainn

29-09-2007, 01:27 AM

Eliphas Levi, Anton La Vey, Michael Aquino..... Three famous satanists.

Also: Michael Aquino is Italian, as should be obvious by his last name.

I overlooked that first time around.

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 01:30 AM

http://judicial-inc.biz/marc_dutroux.htm full story here

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 01:34 AM

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/jewish_sacrifice.htm

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 01:36 AM

damagedbrainn

29-09-2007, 01:38 AM

http://judicial-inc.biz/marc_dutroux.htm full story here

Yeah, I've read that story before. Don't see your point though.

damagedbrainn

29-09-2007, 01:40 AM

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/jewish_sacrifice.htm

Then you should like Aleister Crowley....he believed the same thing.

Do you have any sources which are not Neo-Nazi propoganda?

damagedbrainn

29-09-2007, 01:46 AM

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Illuminati/lavey_and_mansfield666.jpg As far as Satan was concerned, '66 was a very good year. Anton LaVey, a Christ-hating Jew, shown here performing a ritual with disciple, actress Jayne Mansfield, founded the Church of Satan in '66. Meanwhile, John Kerry (Yale, Class of '66) was enjoying the benefits of residence at The Tomb, headquarters of the Order of Skull & Bones.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False...inati/1966.htm (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Illuminati/1966.htm)

To believe that Anton Lavey was a major player in anything is to fall for his own propoganda and lies. He wanted people to believe that he was this big, sinister figure who enjoyed high influence in Hollywood, politics, and among the common man. Unfortunately, none of his grandiose claims check out, and the more you read about him, the more you realize how full of shit he was.

damagedbrainn

29-09-2007, 01:56 AM

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 01:57 AM

Also: Michael Aquino is Italian, as should be obvious by his last name.

I overlooked that first time around.
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http://www.skepticfiles.org/mys4/ntdisclm.htm

Further more, four persons, Dr. Michael
Aquino--High Priest of the Temple of Set, one Balanone--a high
Initiate of the Temple of Set (and of Jewish descent) and member for
over 10 years, one Oz Tech, a black Priestess (III' degree) and
Knight of the Order of the Trapezoid, and Ammond Shadowcraft, a

Setian

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 01:58 AM

Yeah, I've read that story before. Don't see your point though.

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You don't find it strange that mostly jews where involved in this.

peachped

29-09-2007, 02:01 AM

To believe that Anton Lavey was a major player in anything is to fall for his own propoganda and lies. He wanted people to believe that he was this big, sinister figure who enjoyed high influence in Hollywood, politics, and among the common man. Unfortunately, none of his grandiose claims check out, and the more you read about him, the more you realize how full of shit he was.

Agree about La Vey, a comedy figure, at least compared to real genocidal monsters such as Harvard academic Dr. Noel Ignatiev.
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/harvard_genocide.htm

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 02:05 AM

Then you should like Aleister Crowley....he believed the same thing.

Do you have any sources which are not Neo-Nazi propoganda?

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LOL good little Jew everythings nazi propaganda to you.

Thers more propaganda out there by the ADL and the likes.

damagedbrainn

29-09-2007, 02:06 AM

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http://www.skepticfiles.org/mys4/ntdisclm.htm

Further more, four persons, Dr. Michael
Aquino--High Priest of the Temple of Set, one Balanone--a high
Initiate of the Temple of Set (and of Jewish descent) and member for
over 10 years, one Oz Tech, a black Priestess (III' degree) and
Knight of the Order of the Trapezoid, and Ammond Shadowcraft, a

Setian

That doesn't say that Michael Aquino is jewish.

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 02:07 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnR3yCLAE3w&mode=related&search=

To Peachped I think the Jews still hold the record for mass murder.

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 02:11 AM

That doesn't say that Michael Aquino is jewish.

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I've provide enough links and if you need more...go do a search I think you'll find out much evidence that Aquino is a Jew as are may of his bretheren What do you think about the Zionist created Communists? have you watched the videos.

You're just here to shout Nazi. I'm here to produce links and evidence.

damagedbrainn

29-09-2007, 02:16 AM

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You don't find it strange that mostly jews where involved in this.

And I suppose that there are very few similar crimes which are committed by white people, right?

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 02:20 AM

And I suppose that there are very few similar crimes which are committed by white people, right?

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Look you can't turn this one around. I know how you lot work. :) Evil is evil just admit it.

Have you watched the video yet about how the jews slaughtered and starved to death 100 million? non jews under Stalin ( jew)

megafish33

29-09-2007, 02:20 AM

Anyone who actually does research will find out that last names are pretty recent in Jewish history. For a long time it was Jew ben McJewysdad, not Jew Jewystein. They were given many names in Europe so Jews could be kept track of. A Jewish last name doesn't automatically make one Jewish, nor does a Gentile last name mean the individual doesn't have Jewish blood in their family.
In the late 1700's the Austrian Empire issued an order which compelled the Jews to adopt surnames, some of them derogatory.

Peace.

lifeofbrian

29-09-2007, 02:23 AM

Personally I feel all you jews need to get over yourselves.

All think wankistration can't be healthy.

Skydiving, now that's bound to be healthy. Fresh air and all that.

damagedbrainn

29-09-2007, 02:24 AM

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I've provide enough links and if you need more...go do a search I think you'll find out much evidence that Aquino is a Jew as are may of his bretheren What do you think about the Zionist created Communists? have you watched the videos.

You're just here to shout Nazi. I'm here to produce links and evidence.

You haven't provided any links which show that Michael Aquino is jewish, only a link which shows that The Temple of Set has had a jewish member. So what?

You can however do a search and find out that Michael Aquino is, as I've said, Italian. Or you can look up the surname "Aquino" and see that it is of Italian origin. But you won't because it's a lot easier just to make shit up.

peachped

29-09-2007, 02:25 AM

lifeofbrian

29-09-2007, 02:27 AM

You haven't provided any links which show that Michael Aquino is jewish, only a link which shows that The Temple of Set has had a jewish member. So what?

You can however do a search and find out that Michael Aquino is, as I've said, Italian. Or you can look up the surname "Aquino" and see that it is of Italian origin. But you won't because it's a lot easier just to make shit up.

You're odd. Do you realise it's the weekend and nobody can produce the kind of evidence you want.

How was your Friday night. Mine was very long. Not bad, just long.

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 02:29 AM

For the record:

Aleister Crowley also believed that certain Greek sects, Russian sects, subversive groups in the Roman Catholic Church, and the Knights Templar killed infants and ate their blood and flesh. However, for some hypocritical reason, Crowley openly criticised and condemned the Jews for this, while remaining relatively silent about these other groups whom he believed were guilty of the same.

Correction: He believed that the subversive groups in the Roman Catholic Church made a Eucharist by mixing "bread" with ejaculate.
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Read my Crowley post I have a pic of biscuits that contain bodily fluids, and stop apologising for Anton the gay I don't dig satanists.

Go read the jewish human sacrafice link and see how they mix the blood of non jewish children with the unleaven bread and the Purim festival.... The story in the Bible about King Herrod the Jew murdered all the baby boys hoping he'd kill Jesus...sounds a bit dodgy
Passover etc.

I know all about other cultures and sacrafice etc.... but that's been covered in other threads, and we don't get people moaning about that. So why do you jews presuming you are one take it to such extremes to blame other cultures and races. Don't shift the blame I'm not playing that game.

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 02:47 AM

http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/elixir.jpg

Here damaged, Crowley's cakes seeing as though he crept into the convo. I've exposed the bad in other races/peoples etc apart from Jews on the forum so don't take it so personal.

damagedbrainn

29-09-2007, 02:54 AM

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Read my Crowley post I have a pic of biscuits that contain bodily fluids, and stop apologising for Anton the gay I don't dig satanists.

I have read that post and much (though not all) of the information you provided about the beliefs of Thelema and the practices of the OTO were correct (though a lot was also left out). However, whether or not such beliefs and practices qualify as "Satanic" is a matter of opinion and not fact. As I've already said, you're intent on generalising and categorizing everything non-christian as "satanism" and that's nothing short of ignorant.

Go read the jewish human sacrafice link and see how they mix the blood of non jewish children with the unleaven bread and the Purim festival.... The story in the Bible about King Herrod the Jew murdered all the baby boys hoping he'd kill Jesus...sounds a bit dodgy
Passover etc.

I've heard all that tripe before. A lot of people have. It's known as the "blood libel of the jews".
And just so you know: The jews didn't kill Jesus because you can't kill somebody who never existed.

So why do you jews presuming you are one take it to such extremes to blame other cultures and races. Don't shift the blame I'm not playing that game.

I'm not jewish, though I am circumcised if that counts for anything.
And who's shifting the blame? Yes, Russian Jews were heavily involved in the Bolshevik Revolution (not a big secret), and many Soviets were killed during the reign of Communism in Russia (though 100 Million sounds very inflated, intentionally so). And you're choosing to fixate and obsess on that one event, whilst either ignoring or denying the various other atrocities which have occured throughout history, across the globe. For example, there was this one thing which happened in Europe where this guy named Hitler, with the assistance of numerous white Germans and other Europeans and even some Americans, tried to exterminate.....No, wait, that never happened. I forgot.

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 02:54 AM

Agree about La Vey, a comedy figure, at least compared to real genocidal monsters such as Harvard academic Dr. Noel Ignatiev.
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/harvard_genocide.htm

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I didn't realise there where so many Jews involved in British politics. interesting read. Mind you isn't the royality Rothschild
too.

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 03:03 AM

Forget it damaged you're just spinning the usual Jew escapologist spiel. If you have read as much Icke as I, you wouldn't be promoting Satanism. I knew you'd deny anything about Jewish Sacrafice and blame it on the Christians. Blood libel I know all about that. It's something the rabbis/lawyers created to turn the tables on the accusers ( the ones that seen/witnessed the blood sacrafices of the innocent children and adults) by the mad rabid Rabbis.

You know how they usually get/got caught? The texts on sacrafice state that the victim being a Goy ( goyim = cattle ) aren't worthy of a burial like a Jew, so they leave the blood drained bodies above ground. Circumcison if they can do that to their own babies then as history has shown what they can do to non jews.

megafish33

29-09-2007, 03:05 AM

Mind you isn't the royality Rothschild
too.

No, but the Rothschild dynasty has been ennobled by the British and Austrian governments.

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 03:07 AM

An Imperium in Imperio is a state within a state, and such a body is illegal under the British Constitution. The most powerful Imperium in Imperio in Britain today is the Board of Deputies of British Jews. This is effectively a parliament of Jews and it actively influences our laws, not least because it has bought our government.

TONY BLAIR and his freshly packaged Labour Party is hugely Jewish financed. £500,000 has just been given to him by leading Jewish business men including Sir Trevor Chinn, Britain's biggest motor dealer (Lex Service); Alex Bernstein, former Granada TV chairman; Bob Gavron, publishing millionaire who himself recently gave £500,000 to the party; Sir Emmanuel Kaye, chairman of Lansing Bagnall; and Michael Levy, head of N & G Records. Michael Levy's Blind Trust thus helped Tony Blair raise £22 million for his election campaign.
Other major benefactors to the Labour Party apart from Levy, Gavron et al are the Jews Maurice Hatter, David Sainsbury and Robert Earl, each of whom contributed at least one million pounds.
Michael Levy, Bob Gavron and Maurice Hatter are now known as "Lord Levy", "Lord Gavron" and "Sir Maurice".
http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/jewishp/britain/jackstraw.jpg
Jack Straw.

The Jewish influence in the media, in law and in government far exceeds their numbers in the population. There have been several Jewish Home Secretaries who in this position are able to control immigration and the police. Examples of Jewish Home Secretaries are Jack Straw, Michael Howard (real name Michael Hecht) and Leon Brittan (real name Leon Brittanisky).
Almost all of these influential Jews are Zionists: they believe in a sovereign Israeli state which will ultimately be the centre of a world government. It is a combination of Israeli nationalism and their conviction that they are "God's Chosen People." We quote a letter from Baruch Levy to Karl Marx:
‘The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will obtain world dominion by the dissolution of other races, by the abolition of frontiers, the annihilation of monarchy and the establishment of a World Republic.’ (Baruch Levy writing to Karl Marx). We could have gathered many more quotes saying the same thing. However there is one example of especial importance because it not only illustrates the Jewish Imperium in Imperio but also the magnitude of the wrong we are attempting to reveal. We show the front page of the Daily Express of 24th March 1933. The real start of the Second World War, when the hidden hands started their work, was reported here in 1933. The accompanying text reads:
‘Fourteen million Jews stand together as one man, to declare war against Germany. The Jewish wholesaler will forsake his firm, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his commerce, and the pauper his pitiful shed in order to join together in a holy war against Hitler's people.’ Between 40 and 50 million people died in that war. Note that "Judea" is a distinct entity, despite the fact that the state of Israel did not exist until 1948, fifteen years later. In other words the Jews are a state within a state, an Imperium in Imperio.
The Jews' strategy is disguised invasion: to invade a country and take it over, but to keep it hidden.

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 03:08 AM

THE OLD PARTIES are but variations, bogus alternatives, within the same system. They put on an act of combat, but really they are a consensus committed to the course of Britain's decline and downfall. The system sets up from time to time, when it seems advantageous, bogus options such as currently the Referendum Party of the billionaire financier, the Jew Sir James Goldsmith, to side-track and dissipate discontent.
This fake puts on an act of standing for British sovereignty against foreign regulation from Brussels, but has nothing to say about and against foreign, including Jewish, influence in London conceived by him and his followers as compatible with British sovereignty.

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 03:37 AM

It's like Icke and others have said....there are evil, reps, demons, vampires what ever name you want to give them in all cultures. If you dig deep enough the stories/theories/evidence is there to be found. Including strange rituals of blood and sacrafice.

I think much of these roots are to be found in religion. I don't believe it was some good Gods, more likely some demons who invented all this stuff. Or the religous books where written by some strange people their own words ( not God)..... or by channeling and possession.

damagedbrainn

29-09-2007, 03:53 AM

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 01:37 PM

And yet you seem primarily obsessed with placing the blame for these things on "The Jews". Why?
...........

This thread is about Jews. Did you not read my post. I've made other posts/threads about other peoples apart from Jews.

So you'd be happy to discuss British American non Jews? That's okay because it's politically correct. Put all the blame on them?

If us non Jews circumcised baby boys we'd never here the last of it. I can just see it now. Face facts this is what these people do. It's one of the most sickest practices known to man.

Why are you so offended? You wouldn't have this reaction if we where discussing other races/peoples!

I might even have some Jew in me, it's a rumor in my family nothing certain. Some people hide the fact, the same as some German people don't let on either. For fear of persecution and the amount of stupid comments on here proves that us whites can be called names it's fuckin hypocritical behaviour in it's most blatant form.

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 02:00 PM

Jews Who Control UK Broadcasting (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-uk-media.html#anchor5253)
Jews Who Control UK Entertainment (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-uk-media.html#anchor11119)
Jews In Control of UK Advertising (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-uk-media.html#anchor17037)
Jews Who Control What UK Reads (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-uk-media.html#anchor40333)
Jews Who Control Hollywood (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-uk-media.html#anchor45030)
Jews Who Make Deals With UK Royalty (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-uk-british-royalty.htm)

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 02:07 PM

The Six Jewish Companies Who Own 96% of the World's Media (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-6-jewish-companies-96-percent-of-all-media.html)
Current Event Lies and Spin (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-current-event-lies.html)
Your TV News Networks (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-tvnetworks.html#anchor63475)
Your Local Newspaper (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-newspapers.html)
National Public Radio NPR (http://www.wrmea.com/archives/December_2005/0512027.html)
Your Favorite News Magazines (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-publishers.html)
Your Favorite Publishing Houses (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-publishers.html)
Jewish Film Studio Companies (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-movies.html)
Jewish TV Studio Companies (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-movies.html)
General Overview (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-folder.html#anchor13742)
Reports by Many Authors (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-controlledpress-reports.html)
Jews Who Run Hollywood (http://www.eonline.com/Hot/Specials/Jews/)
Actors (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-folder.html#anchor436002)
Actresses (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-folder.html#anchor436002)
Producers (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-folder.html#anchor436002)
Directors (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-folder.html#anchor436002)
Who Rules America? (http://www.nationalvanguard.org/printer.php?id=9910)
NEWS Monopoly (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-entertainment-news-monopoly.html)Any wonder Icke and others are though of as mad by many. With the one sided media coverage.

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 02:09 PM

JEWISH COLUMNISTS LIKELY TO CRITICIZE BOTH ISRAEL AND THE PALESTINIANS, BUT VIEW THEMSELVES TO BE CRITICALLY SUPPORTERS OF ISRAEL, AND ULTIMATELY, WOULD SUPPORT ISRAELI SECURITY OVER PALESTINIAN RIGHTS:
Thomas Friedman, The New York Times,
Richard Cohen, The Washington Post and New York Daily News
Avishai Margolit, The New York Review of Books
David Remnick, The New Yorker
Eric Alterman, The Nation and MSNBC.com
The New York Times Editorial Board The Washington Post Editorial Board

http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/jewishp/usa/columnists.htm

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 02:15 PM

National Prayer Network

JEWS CONFIRM BIG MEDIA IS JEWISH

By Rev. Ted Pike
28 Jun 06

Jewish control of the media is a taboo topic. In Congress, among evangelicals and mainline conservative talk radio, it is never mentioned. It is discussed only in snatches on far Right alternative talk radio.
This is astonishing, considering that almost every substantial library in America contains a number of books confirming such Jewish control. These include Neil Gabler’s An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood and Hoberman and Shandler’s Entertaining America: Jews, Movies, and Broadcasting.
These encyclopedic histories of Jewish control of the American media outdo any efforts by so-called “anti-Semites” to document an astonishing, frightening fact: The majority of media news and information to the American public comes from Jews.

http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/jewsconfirmbigmedia.html

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 06:05 PM

Re educate yourself. :)

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 06:15 PM

Come and Hear (http://www.come-and-hear.com/) website contains resources that explain the Talmud, including the authoritative Babylonian Talmud (http://www.come-and-hear.com/talmud/index.html) itself, Rabbinic commentary on the Talmud (http://www.come-and-hear.com/talmud/rabbis.html), and other invaluable resource material (http://www.come-and-hear.com/supplement/index.html). Carol Valentine, who has amassed the materials on her Come and Hear website, has graciously allowed all who visit her website to download (http://www.come-and-hear.com/download.html) and preserve her entire website of resources, free of charge. She understands that the powerful forces behind those who adhere to the doctrines of the Talmud will likely seek to suppress this information.

http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/synagogue_of_satan.htm

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 06:16 PM

Jewish History (http://www.abbc.net/historia/shahak/english.htm) Professor Israel Shahak, a Jewish scholar, explains the Jewish religion and history. Radical Truth in History (http://www.hoffman-info.com/) In a world controlled by lies, the truth is radical. This is Michael Hoffman II's website. He is the author of several books, including the superb book, Judaism's Strange gods (http://www.hoffman-info.com/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi?item=83). In his book Hoffman proves beyond a doubt that Judaism is not the religion of the Old Testament, but is rather the evil Babylonian belief system of the Pharisees. His other books reveal much valuable but suppressed information. One radical suppressed truth is that the Jewish Talmud is the source for communism; Judaism is communism (http://www.hoffman-info.com/communist.html). The Abominable Talmud (http://www.fixedearth.com/talmud.html) Excerpts directly from the Jewish Talmud that prove that Judaism is a Satanic Antichrist religion. Talmud and Judaism Exposed (http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudic.html) Information exposing Jewish racism and what the Jews really believe. Beware The Mark (http://www.samliquidation.com/beware.htm) This website explains the treasonous conduct of the Jews in the suppressed history of the United States and exposes their conspiracy to rule the world.

razed1

29-09-2007, 08:01 PM

man i wasted all this time before making a nice post about the jewish question in another thread before, only for it to be locked in the end

so i will just say this, i do beleive the ppl who really controlling things on a human level, are not jewish, but they have so expertly used jew and their traditions to 'manage' their conspiracy for them, keeping the knowledge of freemasonry along these many centuries

jews have thus enjoyed priveleged postion in the worlds society, theyre essentially running the banking systems

the Talmud book, was created as a instruction manual on how to keep this power withing the jewish society,

but ultimately jewish population and the STATE of israel, is up on the sacrificial block for the real controllers

tinmenace

29-09-2007, 08:05 PM

eternal_spirit

29-09-2007, 10:22 PM

Good luck to all the good Jews out there, you're gong to need it..... ..with the mad Zionist Rabbi's Babylonian Talmud belief systems in control.

father ted

30-09-2007, 12:15 AM

Good luck to anyone who's religious...
It's funny how the word jew(s) gets used in the media when it should be zionist(s), for most occasions.

tinmenace

30-09-2007, 12:46 AM

It's funny how the word jew(s) gets used in the media when it should be zionist(s), for most occasions.

Correctomundo!

mountain

30-09-2007, 12:50 AM

Good luck to anyone who's religious...
It's funny how the word jew(s) gets used in the media when it should be zionist(s), for most occasions.

I know that there are about 15% people that are originally from the Middle East calling themselves Jews. They are Sephardic Jews.

damagedbrainn

30-09-2007, 01:21 AM

...........

This thread is about Jews. Did you not read my post. I've made other posts/threads about other peoples apart from Jews.

So you'd be happy to discuss British American non Jews? That's okay because it's politically correct. Put all the blame on them?

I know this thread is about Jews. I was just wondering why you are so personally obsessed with demonising to the point that you're willing to neglect the roles that other people of other races have played in historical atrocities. You make and post these silly list of supposed "Jews" who are involved in politics, the occult, entertainment, and so on; when you could just as easily go about and make a list of all the white non-jews involved in the same things. So why are your lists proof of a "Jewish Conspiracy" while the other list would likely be viewed as irrelevant to you? (And the accuracy of your lists are highly questionable considering that among the three supposed "Jewish" occultists you named, only ONE of them, Anton Lavey, is actually Jewish.)

If us non Jews circumcised baby boys we'd never here the last of it. I can just see it now. Face facts this is what these people do. It's one of the most sickest practices known to man.

What the hell are you talking about? Non-jews DO practice circumcision. I'm circumcised myself. Most non-jewish American males are. It's the common rule here. It was also very common in countries like Britian and Ireland until the 70's when it was determined that it had no medical benefits whatsoever.

eternal_spirit

30-09-2007, 01:29 AM

No we don't circumcise here in the UK. It's a Jewish African thing.

eternal_spirit

30-09-2007, 01:30 AM

You're just here to deny reality.

eternal_spirit

30-09-2007, 01:38 AM

As for Aquino being jew I agree that is debatable. There are differing stories. So I can't be sure either way to be honest.

damagedbrainn

30-09-2007, 01:42 AM

No we don't circumcise here in the UK. It's a Jewish African thing.

Not anymore, no. But the UK did in the early half of the 20th centurty. And it's still commonly practised here in America. In fact, it's considered normal. Feel free to ask any other American on this forum, and they'll tell you the same (or you could *gasp* actually look it up!).

So your statement that if non-jews practiced circumcision, we would never hear the end of it is blatantly false. Non-jews do practice circumcision, and you apparently haven't heard anything about it at all.

eternal_spirit

30-09-2007, 01:55 AM

Not anymore, no. But the UK did in the early half of the 20th centurty. And it's still commonly practised here in America. In fact, it's considered normal. Feel free to ask any other American on this forum, and they'll tell you the same (or you could *gasp* actually look it up!).

So your statement that if non-jews practiced circumcision, we would never hear the end of it is blatantly false. Non-jews do practice circumcision, and you apparently haven't heard anything about it at all.
..........

Wrong again. I was born in the 70's in the UK and no they did not Circumcise none Jews here then. And never have done. Only for certain medical conditions and certainly not week old babys.

Tells you who runs the medical profession then and makes Government policies, if that's the case in the US. But I don't believe it was ever compulsary?

Face the fact Jews still do it Today. Go on google video type in Jewish Circumcision....There is a 49 second Video first page, and I think in that one the Rabbi actually sucks the blood from the baby penis. There are more videos that claim it's serves no purpose other than cause the child pain and when they're older many suffer psychological problems, some men have an operation to strech the skin to try to get back what they lost.

tinmenace

30-09-2007, 02:02 AM

Yeah, it's forcing something on a child that is too young to have a say.

The body was created that way, why change it?

damagedbrainn

30-09-2007, 03:56 AM

..........

Wrong again. I was born in the 70's in the UK and no they did not Circumcise none Jews here then. And never have done. Only for certain medical conditions and certainly not week old babys.

Tells you who runs the medical profession then and makes Government policies, if that's the case in the US. But I don't believe it was ever compulsary?

Face the fact Jews still do it Today. Go on google video type in Jewish Circumcision....There is a 49 second Video first page, and I think in that one the Rabbi actually sucks the blood from the baby penis. There are more videos that claim it's serves no purpose other than cause the child pain and when they're older many suffer psychological problems, some men have an operation to strech the skin to try to get back what they lost.

Correction: Circumcision generally dropped to less than 1% in the UK by the 50's, not the 70's. It's also practised in Austrailia and South Korea. Though nowhere has it become more prevalent than in America where it's become the norm. Here, uncircumcised penises are considered weird looking or even "gross". And I don't really know what you mean by "compulsory", but most parents have their boys circumcised in this country simply because they feel it's what you're supposed to do.

So no, people would not freak-out if non-jews practised circumcision because they already do and nobody cares. And, of course, now that's it's been pointed out to you that non-jews practice circumcision too....well, that must be the Jews' fault too. You always circle right back around to that. So no matter what anyone else says, no matter what facts people present to you, you are still going to believe in The Jewish Conspiracy. If you find a Jewish name involved in something that you don't like: That's proof of a Jewish Conspiracy. If you find non-jews involved in something you don't like: Well, that's also somehow proof of a Jewish Conspiracy. Explain to me again how you are not an anti-semite?

Most Jewish circumcisions do not involve the blood-sucking (mezizah) thing you're referring to. It's only practiced in some groups of Haredi and Hasidic Jews. It's an old and long since outdated method of cleaning a wound, and its continued use is considered controversial even to Jews.

nickatnoon61

30-09-2007, 04:34 AM

Correction: Circumcision generally dropped to less than 1% in the UK by the 50's, not the 70's. It's also practised in Austrailia and South Korea. Though nowhere has it become more prevalent than in America where it's become the norm. Here, uncircumcised penises are considered weird looking or even "gross". And I don't really know what you mean by "compulsory", but most parents have their boys circumcised in this country simply because they feel it's what you're supposed to do.

So no, people would not freak-out if non-jews practised circumcision because they already do and nobody cares. And, of course, now that's it's been pointed out to you that non-jews practice circumcision too....well, that must be the Jews' fault too. You always circle right back around to that. So no matter what anyone else says, no matter what facts people present to you, you are still going to believe in The Jewish Conspiracy. If you find a Jewish name involved in something that you don't like: That's proof of a Jewish Conspiracy. If you find non-jews involved in something you don't like: Well, that's also somehow proof of a Jewish Conspiracy. Explain to me again how you are not an anti-semite?

Most Jewish circumcisions do not involve the blood-sucking (mezizah) thing you're referring to. It's only practiced in some groups of Haredi and Hasidic Jews. It's an old and long since outdated method of cleaning a wound, and its continued use is considered controversial even to Jews.
DB, the point is, circumcision is totally unnecessary and barbaric behavior, not unlike vaccinating babies!!!!

father ted

30-09-2007, 07:27 AM

I know that there are about 15% people that are originally from the Middle East calling themselves Jews. They are Sephardic Jews.

Aren't most of the illuminati sephardic jews in the first place? Given that is where they trace back their lineage, as well as ashkanazim jews. The fact that most illuminati calling themselves jews, are both, confuses the situation and technicality.

sunyatta60

30-09-2007, 12:27 PM

* Jews Who Control UK Broadcasting
* Jews Who Control UK Entertainment
* Jews In Control of UK Advertising
* Jews Who Control What UK Reads
* Jews Who Control Hollywood
* Jews Who Make Deals With UK Royalty

Not all who claim to be Jews are Jews to paraphrase Revelation it is a Zionist agenda niot a Jewish one. Blaming it all on the Jews means you run the risk of WW2 all over again

eternal_spirit

30-09-2007, 12:29 PM

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

Some Teachings of the Jewish Talmud

Where a Jew Should Do Evil
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/images/moed_kattan%2017a.JPG
Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.
O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Jews Have Superior Legal Status
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."
Jews May Steal from Non-Jews
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."
Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
Jews May Lie to Non-Jews
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Insults Against Blessed Mary
Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.
Gloats over Christ Dying Young
A passage from Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: "Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was?--He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old."
Jesus in the Talmud:
Horrible Blasphemies Against Jesus Christ
While it is the standard disinformation practice of apologists for the Talmud to deny that it contains any scurrilous references to Jesus Christ, certain Orthodox Jewish organizations are more forthcoming and admit that the Talmud not only mentions Jesus but disparages him (as a sorcerer and a demented sex freak). These orthodox Jewish organizations make this admission perhaps out of the belief that Jewish supremacy is so well-established in the modern world that they need not concern themselves with adverse reactions.
For example, on the website of the Orthodox Jewish Hasidic Lubavitch group--one of the largest in the world--we find the following statement, complete with Talmudic citations:
"The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of 'Jesus the Nazarene':
1) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh, which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).
End quote from http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm (Lubavitch website (http://www.noahide.com/yeshu.htm)) June 20, 2000.
[Note: we have printed and preserved in our files a hard copy of this statement from the Lubavitch"Noah's Covenant Website," as it appeared on their website at http://www.noahide.com on June 20, 2000, in the event that denials are later issued and the statement itself suppressed].
Let us examine further some of these anti-Christ Talmud passages:
Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."
Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in Soncino footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery: "It is taught that on the eve of Passover Jesus was hung, and forty days before this the proclamation was made: Jesus is to be stoned to death because he has practiced sorcery and has lured the people to idolatry...He was an enticer and of such thou shalt not pity or condone."
Kallah 51a."The elders were once sitting in the gate when two young lads passed by; one covered his head and the other uncovered his head. Of him who uncovered his head Rabbi Eliezer remarked that he is a bastard. Rabbi Joshua remarked that he is the son of a niddah (a child conceived during a woman's menstrual period). Rabbi Akiba said that he is both a bastard and a son of a niddah.
"They said, 'What induced you to contradict the opinion of your colleagues?' He replied, "I will prove it concerning him." He went to the lad's mother and found her sitting in the market selling beans.
"He said to her, 'My daughter, if you will answer the question I will put to you, I will bring you to the world to come.' (eternal life). She said to him, 'Swear it to me.'
"Rabbi Akiba, taking the oath with his lips but annulling it in his heart, said to her, 'What is the status of your son?' She replied, 'When I entered the bridal chamber I was niddah (menstruating) and my husband kept away from me; but my best man had intercourse with me and this son was born to me.' Consequently the child was both a bastard and the son of a niddah.
"It was declared, '..Blessed be the God of Israel Who Revealed His Secret to Rabbi Akiba..."
In addition to the theme that God rewards clever liars, the preceding Talmud discussion is actually about Jesus Christ (the bastard boy who "uncovered his head" and was conceived in the filth of menstruation). The boy's adulterous mother in this Talmud story is the mother of Christ, Blessed Mary (called Miriam and sometimes, Miriam the hairdresser, in the Talmud).

"The Editio Princeps of the complete Code of Talmudic Law, Maimonides' Mishneh Torah -- replete not only with the most offensive precepts against all Gentiles but also with explicit attacks on Christianity and on Jesus (after whose name the author adds piously, 'May the name of the wicked perish')... --Dr. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21.
"The Talmud contains a few explicit references to Jesus...These references are certainly not complimentary...There seems little doubt that the account of the execution of Jesus on the eve of Passover does refer to the Christian Jesus...The passage in which Jesus' punishment in hell is described also seems to refer to the Christian Jesus. It is a piece of anti-Christian polemic dating from the post-70 CE period..." --Hyam Maccoby, Judaism on Trial, pp. 26-27.
"According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.
"The more popular accounts--which were nevertheless taken quite seriously--such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name 'Jesus' was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable and this popular tradition still persists...
"The Hebrew form of the name Jesus--Yeshu--was interpreted as an acronym for the curse, 'may his name and memory be wiped out,' which is used as an extreme form of abuse. In fact, anti-zionist Orthodox Jews (such as Neturey Qarta) sometimes refer to Herzl as 'Herzl Jesus' and I have found in religious zionist writings expressions such as "Nasser Jesus" and more recently 'Arafat Jesus." --Dr. Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion, pp. 97- 98, 118.
Talmud Attacks Christians and Christian Books
Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.
Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books") will have no portion in the world to come.
Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.
Dr. Israel Shahak of Hebrew University reports that the Israelis burned hundreds of New Testament Bibles in occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).
Sick and Insane Teachings of the Talmud
Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix with honey and eat it.
Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.
Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.
Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).
Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.
Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."
Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.
Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.On one of his whorehouse romps, Rabbi Eleazar leanred that there was one particular prostitute residing in a whorehouse near the sea, who would receive a bag of money for her services. He took a bag of money and went to her, crossing seven rivers to do so. During their intercourse the prostitute farted. After this the whore told Rabbi Eleazar: "Just as this gas will never return to my anus, Rabbi Eleazar will never get to heaven."
Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.
Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."
Gittin 69b. To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it loosens the limbs."
Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.
Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.
Tall Tales of a Roman Holocaust
Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b. Claims that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans. (Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the entire world at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four billion Jews).
A Revealing Admission
Abodah Zarah 70a. The question was asked of the rabbi whether wine stolen in Pumbeditha might be used or if it was defiled, due to the fact that the thieves might have been gentiles (a gentile touching wine would make the wine unclean). The rabbi says not to worry, that the wine is permissible for Jewish use because the majority of the thieves in Pumbeditha, the place where the wine was stolen, are Jews. (Also cf. Gemara Rosh Hashanah 25b).
Pharisaic Rituals
Erubin 21b. "Rabbi Akiba said to him, "Give me some water to wash my hands."
"It will not suffice for drinking," the other complained, "will it suffice for washing your hands?"
"What can I do?' the former replied, "when for neglecting the words of the Rabbis one deserves death? It is better that I myself should die than that I transgress against the opinion of my colleagues." [This is the ritual hand washing condemned by Jesus in Matthew 15: 1-9].
Genocide Advocated by the Talmud
Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed").
This passage is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, "Gentile," (p. 617).
This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the reading has been altered, 'The best among the Egyptians' being generally substituted." In the Soncino version: "the best of the heathens" (Minor Tractates, Soferim 41a-b].
Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press, June 9, 1989, p. 56B).
On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Jew from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Brooklyn Rabbi Meir Kahane, who told CBS News that his teaching that Arabs are "dogs" is derived "from the Talmud." (CBS 60 Minutes, "Kahane").
University of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldstein's philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence against goyim, a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).
Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5).
Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).
Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are not Human
The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals, and specifically dehumanizes Gentiles as not being descendants of Adam. Here are some of the Talmud passages which relate to this topic.
Kerithoth 6b: Uses of Oil of Anointing. "Our Rabbis have taught: He who pours the oil of anointing over cattle or vessels is not guilty; if over gentiles (goyim) or the dead, he is not guilty. The law relating to cattle and vessels is right, for it is written: "Upon the flesh of man (Adam), shall it not be poured (Exodus 30:32]); and cattle and vessels are not man (Adam).
"Also with regard to the dead, that he is exempt, since after death one is called corpse and not a man (Adam). But why is one exempt in the case of gentiles (goyim); are they not in the category of man (Adam)? No, it is written: 'And ye my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are man" (Adam); [Ezekiel 34:31]: Ye are called man (Adam) but gentiles (goyim) are not called man (Adam)."
In the preceding passage, the rabbis are discussing the portion of the Mosaic law which forbids applying the holy oil to men.
The Talmud states that it is not a sin to apply the holy oil to Gentiles, because Gentiles are not human beings (i.e. are not of Adam).
Another example from tractate Yebamoth 61a: "It was taught: And so did R. Simeon ben Yohai state (61a) that the graves of gentiles (goyim) do not impart levitical uncleanness by an [I]ohel [standing or bending over a grave], for it is said, 'And ye my sheep the sheep of my pasture, are men (Adam), [Ezekiel 34:31]; you are called men (Adam) but the idolaters are not called men (Adam)."
The Old Testament Mosaic law states that touching a human corpse or the grave of a human imparts uncleanness to those who touch it. But the Talmud teaches that if a Jew touches the grave of a Gentile, the Jew is not rendered unclean, since Gentiles are not human (not of Adam).
From Baba Mezia 114b: ""A Jewish priest was standing in a graveyard. When asked why he was standing there in apparent violation of the Mosaic law, he replied that it was permissible, since the law only prohibits Jews from coming into contact with the graves of humans (Adamites), and he was standing in a gentile graveyard. For it has been taught by Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: 'The graves of gentiles [goyim] do not defile. For it is written, 'And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men (Adam)' (Ezekiel 34:31); only ye are designated men (Adam)."
Ezekiel 34:31 is the alleged Biblical proof text repeatedly cited in the preceding three Talmud passages. But Ezekiel 34:31 does not in fact support the Talmudic notion that only Israelites are human. What these rabbinical, anti-Gentile racists and ideologues have done in asserting the preceding absurdities about Gentiles is distort an Old Testament passage in order to justify their bigotry.
In Berakoth 58a the Talmud uses Ezekiel 23:20 as proof of the sub-human status of gentiles. It also teaches that anyone (even a Jewish man) who reveals this Talmudic teaching about non-Jews deserves death, since revealing it makes Gentiles wrathful and causes the repression of Judaism.
The Talmudic citation of this scripture from Ezekiel as a "proof-text" is specious, since the passage does not prove that Gentiles are animals. The passage from Ezekiel only says that some Egyptians had large genital organs and copious emissions. This does not in any way prove or even connote that the Egyptians being referred to in the Bible were considered animals. Once again, the Talmud has falsified the Bible by means of distorted interpretation.
Other Talmud passages which expound on Ezekiel 23:20 in this racist fashion are: Arakin 19b, Berakoth 25b, Niddah 45a, Shabbath 150a, Yebamoth 98a. Moreover, the original text of Sanhedrin 37a applies God's approval only to the saving of Jewish lives (cf. the Hesronot Ha-shas, Cracow, 1894).
Moses Maimonides: Advocate of Extermination
We will now examine the post-Talmudic commentator Rambam (Moses Maimonides). This revered "sage" taught that Christians should be exterminated. He has the highest stature in Judaism:
"Moses Maimonides is considered the greatest codifier and philosopher in Jewish history. He is often affectionately referred to as the Rambam, after the initials of his name and title, Rabenu Moshe Ben Maimon, "Our Rabbi, Moses son of Maimon." [Maimonides' Principles, edited by Aryeh Kaplan, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America,, p. 3].
Here is what Maimonides (Rambam) taught concerning saving people's lives, especially concerning saving the lives of gentiles and Christians, or even Jews who dared to deny the "divine inspiration" of the Talmud:
Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, (Moznaim Publishing Corporation, Brooklyn, New York, 1990, Chapter 10, English Translation), p. 184: "Accordingly, if we see an idolater (gentile) being swept away or drowning in the river, we should not help him. If we see that his life is in danger, we should not save him." The Hebrew text of the Feldheim 1981 edition of Mishnah Torah states this as well.
Immediately after Maimonides' admonition that it is a duty for Jews not to save a drowning or perishing gentile, he informs us of the Talmudic duty of Jews towards Christians, and also towards Jews who deny the Talmud. Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, (Chapter 10), p. 184:
"It is a mitzvah [religious duty], however, to eradicate Jewish traitors, minnim, and apikorsim, and to cause them to descend to the pit of destruction, since they cause difficulty to the Jews and sway the people away from God, as did Jesus of Nazareth and his students, and Tzadok, Baithos, and their students. May the name of the wicked rot."
The Jewish publisher's commentary accompanying the preceding statement of Maimonides states that Jesus was an example of a min (plural: minnim).
The commentary also states that the students of Tzadok were defined as those Jews who deny the truth of the Talmud and who uphold only the written law (i.e. the Old Testament).
According to Maimonides' Principles, p. 5, Maimonides "spent twelve years extracting every decision and law from the Talmud, and arranging them all into 14 systematic volumes. The work was finally completed in 1180, and was called Mishnah Torah, or "Code of the Torah."
Maimonides taught in another part of the Mishnah Torah that gentiles are not human: "Man alone, and not vessels, can contract uncleanness by carriage. ...The corpse of a gentile, however, does not convey uncleanness by overshadowing. ...a gentile does not contract corpse uncleanness; and if a gentile touches, carries, or overshadows a corpse he is as one who did not touch it.
"To what is this like? It is like a beast which touches a corpse or overshadows it. And this applies not to corpse uncleanness only but to any other kind of uncleanness: neither gentiles nor cattle are susceptible to any uncleanness." (The Code of Maimonides, vol. 10, translated by Herbert Danby, Yale University Press, New Haven, 1954, pp. 8-9).
Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Rotze'ach 2:11: "A Jew who killed a righteous gentile is not executed in a court of law. It says in Exodus 21:14, 'If a man schemes against his fellow man and kills the man deliberately, take him away from the altar and put him to death.' But a gentile is not considered a man, and even more so, a Jew is not executed for killing an unrighteous gentile."

eternal_spirit

30-09-2007, 12:31 PM

A Documented Exposé of Supremacist Rabbinic Hate Literature

By Warrant of John 18:37, Galatians 4:16
Copyright ©2000-2006 by Michael A. Hoffman II All Rights Reserved
Introduction

The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."
The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also be seen in the case of the black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians are very knowledgeable of the Old Testament. However, their religion is so ancient it pre-dates the Scribes' Talmud, of which the Ethiopians have no knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept. 29, 1992, p.4:
"The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further than the Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the basis of modern traditions never came their way."
Because they are not traffickers in Talmudic tradition, the black Ethiopian Jews are discriminated against and have been forbidden by the Zionists to perform marriages, funerals and other services in the Israeli state.
Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik is regarded as one of the most influential rabbis of the 20th century, the "unchallenged leader" of Orthodox Judaism and the top international authority on halakha (Jewish religious law). Soloveitchik was responsible for instructing and ordaining more than 2,000 rabbis, "an entire generation" of Jewish leadership.
N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of the rabbi's authority:
"Soloveitchik came from a long line of distinguished Talmudic scholars...Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost exclusively to the study of the Talmud...He came to Yeshiva University's Elchanan Theological Seminary where he remained the pre-eminent teacher in the Talmud...He held the title of Leib Merkin professor of Talmud...sitting with his feet crossed in front of a table bearing an open volume of the Talmud." (N.Y. Times, April 10, 1993, p. 38).
Nowhere does Goldman refer to Soloveitchik's knowledge of the Bible as the basis for being one of the leading authorities on Jewish law.
The rabbi's credentials are all predicated upon his mastery of the Talmud. Other studies are clearly secondary. Britain's Jewish Chronicle of March 26, 1993 states that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are "devoted to the Talmud to the exclusion of everything else."
The Talmud Nullifies the Bible
The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus' time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.
Shmuel Safrai in The Literature of the Sages Part One (p.164), points out that in chapters 4 and 5 of the Talmud's Gittin Tractate, the Talmud nullifies the Biblical teaching concerning money-lending: "Hillel decreed the prozbul for the betterment of the world. The prozbul is a legal fiction which allows debts to be collected after the Sabbatical year and it was Hillel's intention thereby to overcome the fear that money-lenders had of losing their money."
The famous warning of Jesus Christ about the tradition of men that voids Scripture (Mark 7:1-13), is in fact, a direct reference to the Talmud, or more specifically, the forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during Christ's lifetime, before being committed to writing. Mark chapter 7, from verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord's pointed condemnation of the Mishnah.
Unfortunately, due to the abysmal ignorance of our day, the widespread "Judeo-Christian" notion is that the Old Testament is the supreme book of Judaism. But this is not so. The Pharisees teach for doctrine the commandments of rabbis, not God.
The Talmudic commentary on the Bible is their supreme law, and not the Bible itself. That commentary does indeed, as Jesus said, void the laws of God, not uphold them. As students of the Talmud, we know this to be true.
Jewish scholar Hyam Maccoby, in Judaism on Trial, quotes Rabbi Yehiel ben Joseph: "Further, without the Talmud, we would not be able to understand passages in the Bible...God has handed this authority to the sages and tradition is a necessity as well as scripture. The Sages also made enactments of their own...anyone who does not study the Talmud cannot understand Scripture."
There is a tiny Jewish sect which makes considerable effort to eschew Talmud and adhere to the Old Testament alone. These are the Karaites, a group which, historically, has been most hated and severely persecuted by orthodox Jewish rabbinate.
To the Mishnah the rabbis later added the Gemara (rabbinical commentaries). Together these comprise the Talmud. There are two versions, the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud.
The Babylonian Talmud is regarded as the authoritative version: "The authority of the Babylonian Talmud is also greater than that of the Jerusalem Talmud. In cases of doubt the former is decisive." (R.C. Musaph-Andriesse, From Torah to Kabbalah: A Basic Introduction to the Writings of Judaism, p. 40).
This study is based on the Jewish-authorized Babylonian Talmud. We have published herein the authenticated sayings of the Jewish Talmud. Look them up for yourself.
We publish the following irrefutable documentation in the hope of liberating all people, including Jewish people, from the corrosive delusions and racism of this Talmudic hate literature, which is the manual of Orthodox and Hasidic Jews the world over.
The implementation by Jewish supremacists of Talmudic hate literature has caused untold suffering throughout history and now, in occupied Palestine, it is used as a justification for the mass murder of Palestinian civilians. The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.

eternal_spirit

30-09-2007, 12:32 PM

The Schindler's List Quote
The Talmud (i.e., the Babylonian Talmud) text of Sanhedrin 37a restricts the duty to save life to saving only Jewish lives.
The book on Hebrew censorship, written by Jews themselves (Hesronot Ha-shas), notes that some Talmud texts use the universalist phrase:
"Whoever destroys the life of a single human being...it is as if he had destroyed an entire world; and whoever preserves the life of a single human being ...it is as if he had preserved an entire world."
However, Hesronot Ha-shas points out that these are not the authentic words of the original Talmud.
In other words, the preceding universalist rendering is not the authentic text of the Talmud and thus, for example, this universalist version which Steven Spielberg in his famous movie, Schindler's List attributed to the Talmud (and which became the motto of the movie on posters and in advertisements), is a hoax and constitutes propaganda intended to give a humanistic gloss to a Talmud which is, in its essence, racist and chauvinist hate literature.
In the authentic, original Talmud text it states that "whoever preserves a single soul of Israel, it is as if he had preserved an entire world" (emphasis supplied). The authentic Talmud text sanctions only the saving of Jewish lives.
Jewish Deception and Dissimulation
The response of the orthodox rabbis to documentation regarding the racism and hatred in their sacred texts is simply to brazenly lie, in keeping with the Talmud's Baba Kamma 113a which states that Jews may use lies ("subterfuge") to circumvent a Gentile.
The Simon Wiesenthal Center, a multi-million dollar rabbinical propaganda center dispatched Rabbi Daniel Landes in 1995 to deny that the Talmud dehumanizes non-Jews. "This is utter rot," he said. His proof? Why, his word, of course.
Lying to "circumvent a Gentile" has a long patrimony in Judaism. Take for example the 13th century Talmud debate in Paris between Nicholas of Donin, a Jewish convert to Christianity, whom Hyam Maccoby admits had "a good knowledge of the Talmud" ( "The Jews on Trial," p. 26) and Rabbi Yehiel. Yehiel was not under threat of death, bodily injury, imprisonment or fine. Yet he brazenly lied during the course of the debate.
When asked by Donin whether there were attacks on Jesus in the Talmud, Yehiel denied that there were any. Donin, a Hebrew and Aramaic scholar, knew this to be false. Hyam Maccoby, a 20th century Jewish commentator on the debate, defends Rabbi Yehiel's lying in this way:
"The question may be asked, however, whether Yehiel really believed that Jesus was not mentioned in the Talmud, or whether he put this forward as an ingenious ploy in the desperate situation in which he found himself...It would certainly have been pardonable of the rabbi to attempt some condonation in which he did not fully believe, to prevent such tyrannical proceedings by one religious culture against another." ( Maccoby, "The Jews on Trial," p. 28).
This is how Jewish denial of the existence of hateful Talmud texts is justified to this day. A fanciful word for Jewish lying is conjured ("condonation") and deemed "pardonable," while any scrutiny of Jewish holy books by Christian investigators is characterized as a "tyrannical proceeding."
In 1994, Rabbi Tzvi Marx, director of Applied Education at the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem, made a remarkable admission concerning how Jewish rabbis in the past have issued two sets of texts: the authentic Talmudic texts with which they instruct their own youth in the Talmud schools (yeshiviot) and "censured and amended" versions which they disseminate to gullible non-Jews for public consumption.
Rabbi Marx states that in the version of Maimonides' teachings published for public consumption, Maimonides is made to say that whoever kills a human being transgresses the law.
But, Rabbi Marx points out "...this only reflects the censured and amended printed text, whereas the original manuscripts have it only as 'whoever kills an Israelite."(Tikkun: A Bi-Monthly Jewish Critique May-June, 1994).
The Jewish book, Hesronot Ha-shas ("that which is removed from the Talmud"), is important in this regard. (Cf. William Popper, The Censorship of Hebrew Books p. 59).
Hesronot Ha-shas was reprinted in 1989 by Sinai Publishing of Tel-Aviv. Hesronot Ha-shas is valuable because it lists both the original Talmud texts that were later changed or omitted, and the falsified texts cited for Gentile consumption as authentic.
Historian William Popper states: "It was not always that long passages...were censored...but often single words alone were omitted...Often, in these cases, another method of correction was used in place of omission--substitution." (Cf. William Popper, The Censorship of Hebrew Books pp. 58-59).
For example, the translators of the English Soncino version of the Talmud sometimes render the Hebrew word goyim (Gentiles) under any number of disguise words such as "heathen, Cuthean, Kushite, Egyptian, idolater" etc. But these are actually references to Gentiles (all non-Jews). Footnotes for certain passages in the Soncino Talmud translation state: "Cuthean (Samaritan) was here substituted for the original goy..."
The heirs of the Pharisees often deny the existence of the Talmud passages here cited, in order to brazenly claim that such passages are the "fabrications of anti-Semites."
In 1994, the 80 year old Lady Jane Birdwood was arrested and prosecuted in a criminal court in London, England for the "crime" of publishing in her pamphlet, The Longest Hatred, the truthful statement that the Talmud contains anti-Gentile and anti-Christian passages. (She was accused of violating the Public Order Act of 1986).
In the course of her Orwellian thought-crime trial, which was ignored by the U.S. media, a rabbi was called as a prosecution witness. The rabbi proceeded to flatly deny that the Talmud contained anti-Gentile or anti-Christian passages and on the basis of the rabbi's "prestige," this elderly and ailing woman was sentenced to three months in jail and fined the equivalent of $1,000.
"Judeo-Christian" Response to the Talmud
Neither the modern popes or the modern heads of Protestantism, have ever insisted that the rabbis of Judaism repudiate or condemn the racism in the Talmud or the murderous hate for Christians and gentiles expressed within it. On the contrary, the heads of Churchianity have urged the followers of Christ to obey, honor and support the followers of the Talmud. Therefore, it should be obvious that these Catholic and Protestant leaders are the worst betrayers of Jesus Christ on earth today. (Cf. Matthew 23:13-15; I Thess. 2:14-16; Titus 1:14; Luke 3:8-9; Rev. 3:9).
Non-Jews are "Supernal Refuse"
Moreover, not only Christians but non-Christians of all races are regarded as "supernal refuse" (garbage) by Talmud teachers such as the founder of Habad-Lubavitch, Rabbi Shneur Zalman.
This was analyzed in the Jewish magazine, New Republic: "...there are some powerful ironies in Habad's new messianic universalism, in its mission to the gentiles; and surely the most unpleasant of them concerns Habad's otherwise undisguised and even racial contempt for the goyim.
"...medieval Jewish theologians--most notably the poet and philosopher Judah Ha-Levi in twelfth-century Spain and the mystic Judah Loewe in sixteenth-century Prague--sought to define the Jewish distinction racially rather than spiritually...this...view, according to which there is something innately superior about the Jews, was rehabilitated in its most extreme form by Shneur Zalman of Lyady. The founder of Lubavitcher Hasidism taught that there is a difference of essence between the souls of Jews and the souls of gentiles, that only in the Jewish soul does there reside a spark of divine vitality.
"As for the goyim...Zalman's attitude (was): 'Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.'
"Consequently, references to gentiles in Rabbi Shneur Zalman's teachings are invariably invidious. Their (non-Jews) material abundance derives from supernal refuse. Indeed, they themselves derive from refuse, which is why they are more numerous than the Jews, as the pieces of chaff outnumber the kernels...All Jews were innately good, all gentiles innately evil.
"...Moreover, this characterization of gentiles as being inherently evil, as being spiritually as well as biologically inferior to Jews, has not in any way been revised in later Habad writing." --The New Republic, May 4, 1992. Also cf. Roman A. Foxbrunner, Habad: The Hasidism of Shneur Zalman of Lyady (Northvale, New Jersey, Jason Aronson, Inc., 1993) pp. 108-109.
U.S. Government Lays Groundwork for Talmudic Courts
"Our" government under Presidents Reagan, Bush and Clinton, has provided, under the euphemism of education (for example, House Joint Resolution 173 and Public Law 102-14), a groundwork for the establishment of Talmudic "courts of justice" to be administered by disciples of Shneur Zalman's Chabad successor, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson.
Maimonides ruled that it is a Jewish court -- or a court appointed by Jewish authority --that enforces obedience and passes judgment on Gentiles, as well as promulgating legislation by court order for that purpose. Maimonides further decreed that any non-Jewish nation "not subject to our jurisdiction" (tahaht yadeinu) will be the target of Jewish holy war. (Cf. Hilkhot Melakhim 8:9-10; 10:11. Also cf. Gerald J. Blidstein, "Holy War in Maimonidean Law," in Perspectives on Maimonides [Oxford, England: Oxford Univ. Press, 1991].
These courts are to be convened allegedly under the "Noahide Laws" (proscriptions against idolatry supposedly based on the covenant with Noah). The U.S. presidents and Congress urged the adoption of the "Noahide" Laws as interpreted by Chabad-Lubavitch Grand Rabbi Schneerson.
Prof. Easterly of the Southern University Law Center, a Jewish legal expert, has compared this Public law 102-14 to the "first rays of dawn" which "evidence the rising of a still unseen sun."
The Jewish Encyclopedia envisages a Noahide regime as a possible world order immediately preceding the universal reign of the Talmud.
It has to be understood that we are not dealing with the Noah of the Bible when the religion of Judaism refers to "Noahide law," but the Noahide law as understood and interpreted by the absolute system of falsification that constitutes the Talmud.
Under the Talmud's counterfeit Noahide Laws, the worship of Jesus is forbidden under penalty of death, since such worship of Christ is condemned by Judaism as idolatry. Meanwhile various forms of incest are permitted under the Talmudic understanding of the Noahide code. (Enziklopediya Talmudit, note 1, pp. 351-352).
Furthermore, all non-Jews would have the legal status of ger toshav ("resident alien," cf. Alan Unterman, Dictionary of Jewish Lore and Legend [London: Thames and Hudson, 1991], p. 148), even in their own land; as for example in occupied Palestine where newly arrived Khazars from Russia have an automatic right to housing and citizenship, while two million Palestinian refugees who either fled or were expelled by the Israelis, are forbidden the right of return.
Resident alien status has been clearly delineated in scholarly articles in leading Jewish publications. For example, Hebrew University Professor Mordechai Nisan, basing his exposition on Maimonides, stated that a non-Jew permitted to reside in a land ruled by Jewish law "must accept paying a tax and suffering the humiliation of servitude."
If Gentiles refuse to live a life of inferiority, then this signals their rebellion and the unavoidable necessity of Jewish warfare against their very presence. [Cf. Mordechai Nisan, Kivunim (official publication of the World Zionist Organization), August, 1984, pp. 151-156].
At a symposium ("Is Autonomy for Resident Aliens Feasible?") organized by Israeli Minister of Education Shulamit Aloni, the Israeli Chief Rabbi Shlomo Goren repeated the Talmudic teaching on resident aliens: that Judaism forbids "granting any national rights" to them. He ruled that such "Autonomy is tantamount to a denial of the Jewish religion." (Nadav Shraggai, Ha'aretz, Oct. 14, 1992).
American taxpayers' subsidy of the so-called "U.S. Holocaust Museum" in Washington, D.C., is yet another indicator of the gradual establishment of a Jewish state religion in the U.S. This "Holocaust museum" excludes any reference to holocausts perpetrated by Jewish Communists against Christians in Russia and Eastern Europe, from 1917 onward.
The focus of the museum is almost entirely on Jewish suffering. Holocausts perpetrated by Israelis against Arabs in Lebanon and Palestine since 1948 are nowhere to be found in the exhibits of the U.S. "Holocaust Museum," which functions more like a synagogue than a repository of objective historical information.

eternal_spirit

30-09-2007, 12:33 PM

It is through the rapid emergence of this ostensibly secular but all-pervasive "Holocaustianity" -- whereby the religion of Judaism is gaining enormous power and influence as mankind's supreme ethos and the creed of God's Holy People.
Jewish Law Requires Christians be Executed
Israeli "Torah scholars" have ruled that:
"The Torah maintains that the righteous of all nations have a place in the World to Come. But not all religious Gentiles earn eternal life by virtue of observing their religion...And while the Christians do generally accept the Hebrew Bible as truly from God, many of them (those who accept the so-called divinity of Jesus) are idolaters according to the Torah, punishable by death, and certainly will not enjoy the World to Come."
--Israeli Mechon-Mamre website (http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/gentiles.htm), June 26, 2000; 12 Hayyim Vital St., Jerusalem, Occupied Palestine. ("Mechon Mamre is a small group of Torah scholars in Israel...").
[Note: we have printed and preserved in our files a hard copy of this statement from the Israeli "Mechon-Mamre Torah Scholars," as it appeared on their website at http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/gentiles.htm on June 26, 2000, in the event that denials are later issued and the statement itself suppressed].
Jewish Superstitions
It is not for nothing that the authoritative edition of the Talmud is known as the Babylonian Talmud. As Christians misled by their Judaizing preachers and popes are increasingly consulting Jewish rabbinical sources for a "pure" understanding of the Old Testament, they are unknowingly consulting the occult.
Judaism is the religion of the Pharisees and the patrimony of Babylon, from whence the Talmudic and Kabbalistic traditions of Judaism ultimately derive. Orthodox Judaism's other sacred book, the Kabbalah, is filled with astrological teachings, fortune-telling, gematria, necromancy and demonology.
The photograph on the cover of this publication's hard copy version shows an orthodox Jew performing a ritual to transfer his sins to the chicken he is waving over his head. This is pernicious superstition.
Furthermore, the Israeli "Star of David," is actually nothing of the kind, but rather an occult hexagram, a yantra of the androgyne, which became associated with the Khazars in 14th century Bohemia. (The misnamed "state of Israel" was founded in 1948 in an alliance between Jewish Communists and atheistic Zionists, with crucial U.N. recognition provided by Soviet Communist dictator Joseph Stalin).
Christians might find it eye-opening to visit a Hasidic Jewish area during "Purim" and observe the grotesque, Halloween-like cavorting. Though the Purim festival uses the Book of Esther as its supposed proof-text, in practice the Jewish celebration of Purim is little more than a Bacchanal (cf. "Superstitions said legacy from Jewish ancestors," Canadian Jewish News, Nov. 16, 1989, p. 58).
Orthodox rabbis place curses, cast spells and imagine they have powers greater than God, derived from their study of the Sefer Yezriah, (a book of Kabbalistic magic). Christians are trafficking in Babylonian paganism when they defer to the rabbis of Judaism.

eternal_spirit

30-09-2007, 12:34 PM

Sodomy in the synagogue
From a report published in the Hebrew language Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/images/haaretz1.GIF
"...for many years, (Talmud scribe) Yaakov Yitzhak Brizel...sodomized ultra-Orthodox boys. The greatest rabbis knew - and did nothing...
"At the age of 11, Moisheleh, the strongest fellow in the talmud torah (school for ultra-Orthodox boys), went up to Shaiya Brizel and said to him: 'Kid, I want you know that your father is not the holy man you think he is. He is a homo.' ...Brizel was a scion of the Brizel family, which founded ...the mysterious organization that imposes moral order on the ultra-Orthodox ghetto...
"Had the father, Yaakov Yitzhak Brizel ...contented himself with homosexual relations with adults, it is reasonable to suppose that we would never have heard his son's story.
"However, in his book, The Silence of the Ultra-Orthodox, published a few weeks ago, the son claims that for decades his father ...sodomized yeshiva students. He committed the act in empty synagogues during the hours between prayers and in other places.
"The greatest of the ultra-Orthodox rabbis...like Rabbi Landau and the halachic sage Shmuel Halevi Hausner of Bnei Brak, knew and kept silent. The father was a Hasid heart and soul, and went to a number of rebbes.... the twin brother of the rebbe from Rehovot, the Rebbe of Kretschnif in Kiryat Gat, was happy to accept the father among his followers. Ultimately, claims Brizel, it was not easy for the Rebbe from Kiryat Gat to be picky when he could win such a respected adherent.
"...The proud father with the look of an honored rebbe, who observed all the commandments from the slightest to the most important, used to pray at a certain yeshiva with the young boys. There, claims Shaiya Brizel, he hunted his victims. When the head of the yeshiva discovered the true reason that the respected Torah scribe was praying fervently at his yeshiva, he did not contact the police...
"Before the publication of his book, Shaiya Brizel met with the yeshiva head. 'You are right that we covered up for him,' admitted the man. 'I and a few other rabbis...I was busy trying to calm things down and hushing up the affair so that it would not get publicized.'
"(The son) published the book using real names. His entire family and almost all the rabbis appear under their own names. Only the names of some of the localities and the head of the yeshiva are disguised. To protect himself from a legal point of view, Brizel held a series of conversations with members of his family and rabbis, in which he demanded explanations of why they had covered up for his father's misbehavior. He secretly recorded all these conversations, even with his mother.
"If I had written without the names it would have been fiction and this certainly did not suit me," he explained. 'I wanted things to change, for ultra-Orthodox society to know that it can attempt to hide things and be hidden, but even if it takes 30 years, a Golem will always rise up against its creator and reveal everything. In this case, I was the Golem.'
"When Rachel Brizel, the daughter of a good Bnei Brak family, married an arranged match from the glorious Brizel family, she had no idea that she was destroying her own life. After six months, she caught her husband having sex with another man. In that case, at least it was with an adult.
"Shaiya Brizel relates that some of the boys with whom his father had relations sent letters of complaint to their own fathers; in the discreet ultra-Orthodox society they had no one else to whom they could complain.
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/images/shaiyabrizel.GIF
Shaiya Brizel: author of a book telling of sodomy in the synagogue

"When she read these letters, my mother went out of her mind,' writes Brizel. 'Every such letter made her want to demand a divorce. Again and again batteries of mediators, the Brizel rabbis, would show up, whose job it was to calm her down so that, heaven forbid, she would not destroy the good name of the Brizel family.
"They could live with the fact that one of their own had raped minors, but for them divorce was an impossible situation.'
"...Twice, once during prayers in a synagogue, and once during a Gemara (Talmud) study hour at Rabbi Eliezer Shach's Ponevezh Yeshiva, ultra-Orthodox men who were strangers to him touched his sexual organ, presumably on the assumption that he followed in his father's footsteps. The first time, he made a fuss, only to discover that the only thing that interested the people there was to hush the whole thing up. The second time, he made do with a whispered warning to the man.
"Shaiya Brizel is now 36 and the father of three; he works as an accountant.
"His father, 65, was forced to leave home several years ago and return to his elderly parents' apartment. Shaiya wrote this book after a suicide attempt in June.
'For all those years I was half dead. For the past five years I have been getting psychological treatment. During my talks with the psychologist I decided that I was going to spew out all this ugliness in the form of a book.'
"He took into account that there would be violent reactions to the book...which only came out a few weeks ago...Brizel suffers from a serious heart defect, which could cause his death. As a way of protecting himself, he has deposited a letter with three lawyers that contains serious allegations about the Eda Haredit, and he has informed the relevant people.
"Recently, he has moved to a new apartment, and he lives in the National Religious sector of a mixed community of National Religious and ultra-Orthodox families. Naturally, he started praying at the only Hasidic synagogue in the settlement. After the book came out, associates of the local rebbe (rabbi) informed him that he was persona non grata.
"Ironically, this same rebbe had come to the area after being compelled to leave several other communities on suspicion of having sodomized his pupils. In ultra-Orthodox society, revealing that acts of sodomy have been committed is a far graver offense than committing them.
"On the day the book was published, Brizel met with the head of the Hachemei Lublin Yeshiva, Rabbi Avraham Vazner. 'He told me that publishing the book was a million times worse than what my father had done...'
"Ha'aretz has been unable to obtain a response from Rabbi Yaakov Yitzhak Brizel. At his parents' home, a woman replied: "We don't care. Shaiya is a liar and there is nothing more to be said."
"Ha'aretz also requested the Brizels' response through the Eda Haredit activist Yehuda Meshi- Zahav. By the time the article went to press, there was no response through this channel either.
"Several weeks ago the father responded to the women's magazine La'isha, saying that he would sue the publishers, which has not yet happened. It is unlikely that it will happen.
"Shaiya Brizel was ready to put off publication of the book, on condition that the family sue him in a rabbinical court, in which the affair would be aired. He has said that no one in the family was prepared to take up the challenge.
"In the conversation with La'isha, the father said that he was indeed a homosexual, 'But I have had treatment and today I am no longer like that. All this is behind me.'
"In reply to a question as to whether he had sexual relations with minors, he replied: 'Perhaps I will talk about that some other time.' He accused his son Shaiya of being 'the only one who is after me. He has destroyed my life...He wrote this only for the money. He wanted money from me...Because of him I separated from my wife.'
"Shaiya's sister, Rivka Hubert, spoke with great anger to the La'isha reporter about the fact that her brother had revealed the names of the persons involved, and declared: 'We deny everything it says in the book."
[End quote]
Source: Ha'aretz, "Israel's Leading Daily Newspaper," Shevat 25, 5760 (Feb. 1, 2000).
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damagedbrainn

30-09-2007, 02:03 PM

nickatnoon61

30-09-2007, 06:09 PM

Aren't most of the illuminati sephardic jews in the first place? Given that is where they trace back their lineage, as well as ashkanazim jews. The fact that most illuminati calling themselves jews, are both, confuses the situation and technicality.
CONFUSION is the key word here,FT!!! That is why I would like to sort it out.There is so much deception when it comes to investigating the Jew/Zionism.

nickatnoon61

30-09-2007, 06:30 PM

[QUOTE=damagedbrainn;141789]I know this thread is about Jews. I was just wondering why you are so personally obsessed with demonising to the point that you're willing to neglect the roles that other people of other races have played in historical atrocities.

QUOTE] It is more than a little curious how those who "disagree" with ES, myself, and others, use these key words to create innuendo, like we are on a mission of anti semitism! Being ,partly of German blood, myself,like ES, I DO NOT appreciate the stigma attached to the word Naz/Germani,(as in Ashkenazi) which wasn't created until years after WWII, was over! I wonder who created that term,(nazi), which is ingrained in all of our psyches, also???????? 3 guesses, and the first 2 don't count.

eternal_spirit

30-09-2007, 09:45 PM

Like Nickatnoon said about Vaccinations. I imagine the reason for Circumcision for none religous reasons would of been a campaign of scare mongering...Such as You will get cancer of the penis, sexually transmitted disease and a whole host of other nasty things happening to you if you remain uncut! And many must of believed the lies

.Circumcised men are more at risk from penile warts than uncircumcised men, and the risk of developing penile cancer is now almost equal in the two groups. Therefore, routine circumcision cannot be recommended to prevent penile cancer.

The first evidence of circumcision comes from early Egyptian wall paintings that are more than 5000 years old.
About one-fifth of men worldwide have been circumcised, mostly for religious and cultural reasons when the procedure is commonly performed shortly after birth or around puberty.

By 1975, only 6 per cent of boys born in the UK were circumcised. A recent review in the British Journal of Urology concluded that there is no link between having an intact foreskin and HIV infection, whereas another paper in the British Medical Journal takes exactly the opposite view.

Circumcision may be appropriate as a routine preventive measure only in regions that have a high rate of HIV infection, such as sub-Saharan Africa. The existing evidence is inadequate to recommend circumcision as an HIV-preventive measure in the UK.

The circumcision of male children is a central feature of both Judaism and Islam. It is also important in many African and New World cultures.

An increasing number of committed Jewish and Muslim people reject circumcision on ethical grounds, although they are certainly the minority at present. Attitudes to circumcision may provoke fierce hostility within families and among communities. In the past, wars have been fought, and thousands have died, to preserve the right to circumcise when rulers from other cultures forbade it.

So why do they still do this?

eternal_spirit

30-09-2007, 10:05 PM

"The Kabbalah" isn't a book. That's like saying that "The Yoga" is a sacred book of the Hindus. It also has nothing to do with "fortune telling" or "necromancy"....you're mistaking Kabbalah for the Qabalah as it has been interpreted and practiced by occultists. They're not the same thing.

As for the rest of that painfully long garbage, all that it really proves with any sort of genuine accuracy is that Jews are definitely not Christians. I know it probably took you a lot of time and effort to reach that profound conclusion and I congratulate you on it.

Have you ever read the parts of David Icke's, not to mention the volumuous amount of other works which clearly show that Christianity and the whole Jesus thing are also derived from paganism? Probably not.

Good job in cutting and pasting all that though. I mean, you could have just linked to it, but that wouldn't have been annoying enough....or enough of a distraction from your earlier factual fuck-ups.

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Well if you wan't to quibble over the Kabbalah fine carry on typing to yourself.:rolleyes: That's not the point of the post! To me and anyone with an ounce of intelligence, it's clear to see this is the most racist of Books!

Jews are nor Christians LOL A 5 year old knows that. Or are you meaning it proves these religions may originate from different books/sources....After all the Jews helped kill Christ, if indeed there was a flesh and blood man known as Christ. Jesus was a rebel ( a human rights activist ) he spoke out against the Pharisees, Rabbis. He didn't like the sacrafices in the synagogues or the Ursury charged by Jews to none Jews.

I've been reading Icke since he published his first book sonny boy, you where probably still in diapers :) Did you're mother drop you on you're head when you was a baby? hence the username...So I am fully aware of the theories about Christ and paganism etc.

Are you anti German? You come across as being so.

damagedbrainn

30-09-2007, 11:52 PM

I DO NOT appreciate the stigma attached to the word Naz/Germani,(as in Ashkenazi) which wasn't created until years after WWII, was over! I wonder who created that term,(nazi), which is ingrained in all of our psyches, also???????? 3 guesses, and the first 2 don't count.

Just a wild shot in the dark here, but I would guess that the answer you're looking for would be THE JEWS!

megafish33

01-10-2007, 01:44 AM

Just a wild shot in the dark here, but I would guess that the answer you're looking for would be THE JEWS!

lol It's official then...

eternal_spirit

01-10-2007, 02:26 AM

eternal_spirit

01-10-2007, 02:29 AM

'One Of History's Cruelest Nazi (http://judicial-inc.biz/frank_collins.htm)' - this man's got some interesting Khazarian features... !

megafish33

01-10-2007, 02:36 AM

So damgedbrainn what are you ? Be honest You seem to enjoy calling us names...and judging by the way you use the word whiteracist. Is it cos u is black? megafish has the balls and honesty to say he's Jew.

What does it matter what he is? I don't need "balls" to announce that I'm a Jew because I don't care. If I was Dutch I'd say the same thing, French, Japanese, etc.

damagedbrainn

01-10-2007, 02:43 AM

So damgedbrainn what are you ? Be honest You seem to enjoy calling us names...and judging by the way you use the word whiteracist. Is it cos u is black? megafish has the balls and honesty to say he's Jew.

Why do you assume that I must be jewish or black or anything else? Do you believe that I secretly know you're right, but am only disagreeing with you to intentionally hide the "truth"? Which would mean that I would have to be jewish or something because that's what jews do?

eternal_spirit

01-10-2007, 03:03 AM

Because they are not traffickers in Talmudic tradition, the black Ethiopian Jews are discriminated against and have been forbidden by the Zionists to perform marriages, funerals and other services in the Israeli state.

Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

There is a tiny Jewish sect which makes considerable effort to eschew Talmud and adhere to the Old Testament alone. These are the Karaites, a group which, historically, has been most hated and severely persecuted by orthodox Jewish rabbinate.
To the Mishnah the rabbis later added the Gemara (rabbinical commentaries). Together these comprise the Talmud. There are two versions, the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud.
The Babylonian Talmud is regarded as the authoritative version: "The authority of the Babylonian Talmud is also greater than that of the Jerusalem Talmud. In cases of doubt the former is decisive." (R.C. Musaph-Andriesse, From Torah to Kabbalah: A Basic Introduction to the Writings of Judaism, p. 40).

We publish the following irrefutable documentation in the hope of liberating all people, including Jewish people, from the corrosive delusions and racism of this Talmudic hate literature, which is the manual of Orthodox and Hasidic Jews the world over.
The implementation by Jewish supremacists of Talmudic hate literature has caused untold suffering throughout history and now

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So the Babylonian Talmud is what the bad guys preach and follow they even hate other Jews. Hope this makes the issue a little clearer. Another example of an Elite mentality.

eternal_spirit

01-10-2007, 03:07 AM

Why do you assume that I must be jewish or black or anything else? Do you believe that I secretly know you're right, but am only disagreeing with you to intentionally hide the "truth"? Which would mean that I would have to be jewish or something because that's what jews do?

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Just answer the question.....

damagedbrainn

01-10-2007, 03:19 AM

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Just answer the question.....

No.

tinmenace

01-10-2007, 03:22 AM

C'mon now ES, you're just splitting hairs, darlin' ;)

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/trolls/whatever.jpg

Just kidding. Actually it's very obvious that there are Zionists here. Kinda easy to sniff out, right?

eternal_spirit

01-10-2007, 03:22 AM

No.
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Okay no more debate.........

tinmenace

01-10-2007, 03:24 AM

Did he answer your question or was he saying he would not answer your question?

eternal_spirit

01-10-2007, 03:25 AM

Did he answer your question or was he saying he would not answer your question?

.............

I don't know.....

damagedbrainn

01-10-2007, 03:35 AM

Did he answer your question or was he saying he would not answer your question?

Exactly.

Satanic occultists often use riddles to confuse and brainwash their enemies.

tinmenace

01-10-2007, 03:43 AM

Exactly.

Satanic occultists often use riddles to confuse and brainwash their enemies.

So, what are you saying?

mountain

01-10-2007, 01:08 PM

Aren't most of the illuminati sephardic jews in the first place? Given that is where they trace back their lineage, as well as ashkanazim jews. The fact that most illuminati calling themselves jews, are both, confuses the situation and technicality.

No. The Sephardic Jews are blood Jews, they tend to be Arab and African and are the Jews that are referred to in the Bible.. Ashkenazi Jews are white and originally from Russia and Germany. This was admitted to me by an Ashkenazi Jew that I used to work for, also David Icke states this in a few of his books where he says that Ashkenazi are possibly descended from Khazaria.
Not saying I totally agree but deserves some looking into.

The Khazars
By: Kevin Brook

A thousand years before the establishment of the Modern State of Israel, there existed a Jewish kingdom in the eastern fringes of Europe, astride the Don and Volga rivers, presided over by two Jewish monarchs and inhabited by a mixed population that included many Jews.

A thousand years before the establishment of the Modern State of Israel, there existed a Jewish kingdom in the eastern fringes of Europe, astride the Don and Volga rivers, presided over by two Jewish monarchs and inhabited by a mixed population that included many Jews. Their kings had names like Yosef and Aharon and one of their generals was named Pesach after the Jewish holiday that was celebrated around his birth. This kingdom, called Khazaria, was one of the most interesting and influential countries of the medieval world, wielding great power over economic and diplomatic affairs. Its influence was so great that a 10th-century emperor of the Byzantines, Constantine Porphyrogenitus, sent correspondence to the Khazars marked with a gold seal worth 3 solidi - more than the 2 solidi that always accompanied letters to the Pope of Rome, the Prince of the Rus, and the Prince of the Hungarians. Its power was so great that it had the ability to finance a permanent paid army. Khazaria was "the most significant attempt at the establishment of an independent Jewish state in the Diaspora", according to former Israeli President Itzhak Ben-Zvi in his book The Exiled and the Redeemed.

The Khazars played a major role in principal wars in the Caucasus region. First, in the early 7th century, they joined with Turks and Byzantines to defeat the Persian state. Then, in the 7th and 8th centuries, they defended the southeastern frontier of Europe from invasion by the Arabs, indirectly allowing Christianity to survive in Byzantium and subsequently thrive in Ukraine. As one of the principal authorities on the Khazars, Professor Peter Golden of Rutgers University, wrote in his book Khazar Studies: "Every schoolchild in the West has been told that if not for Charles Martel and the battle of Poitiers there might be a mosque where Notre Dame now stands. What few schoolchildren are aware of is that if not for the Khazars... Eastern Europe might well have become a province of Islam." The subsequent peaceful period in the eastern European steppes has been named the "pax khazarica" since it was the Khazars who enabled various tribes, like Slavs, to expand their settlements and engage in productive activities, free from the threat of warfare and strife.

The remarkable country of the Khazars first entered the Jewish orbit when it allowed Jews to settle in their land free from persecution. Jewish refugees from Byzantium, Persia, Mesopotamia, and elsewhere flooded into the Khazar realm from the 8th through the 10th centuries, bringing with them Hebrew literacy, a love for Israel, the Jewish religion, and technological skill. The Cambridge Document, translated by Norman Golb in his co-authored book Khazarian Hebrew Documents of the Tenth Century, stated that immigrant Armenian Jews "intermarried with the inhabitants of the land, intermingled with the gentiles, learned their practices, and would continually go out with them to war; [and] they [Mideastern Jews and Khazarians] became one people...."

Remarkably, the Khazars, a people of Turkic origin, converted to the Jewish religion sometime in the 9th century, beginning with the royal house and spreading gradually among the general populace. Judaism is now known to have been more widespread among the Khazar inhabitants of the Khazar kingdom than was previously thought. In 1999, Russian archaeologists announced that they had successfully reconstructed a Khazarian vessel from the Don River region, revealing 4 inscriptions of the word "Israel" in Hebrew lettering. It is now the accepted opinion among most scholars in the field that the conversion of the Khazars to Judaism was widespread, and not limited merely to the royal house and nobility. Ibn al-Faqih, in fact, wrote "All of the Khazars are Jews." Christian of Stavelot wrote in 864 that "all of them profess the Jewish faith in its entirety." A Persian work, Denkart, represented Judaism as the principal religion of the Khazars. How sincere was their Judaism? Abd al-Jabbar ibn Muhammad al-Hamdani, writing in the early 11th century, pointed out that "they took upon themselves the difficult obligations enjoined by the law of the Torah, such as circumcision, the ritual ablutions, washing after a discharge of the semen, the prohibition of work on the Sabbath and during the feasts, the prohibition of eating the flesh of forbidden animals according to this religion, and so on." (translation by Shlomo Pines) The common writing system among the Khazars was Hebrew script, according to Muhammad ibn Ishaq an-Nadim, writing in 987 or 988. A large portion of those Khazars who later adopted a script related to the Cyrillic of the Rus were Jews, according to Tárikh-i Fakhr ad-Din Mubarak Shah, a Persian work composed in 1206.

In the early 10th century, the Khazarian Jews of Kiev wrote a Hebrew-language letter of recommendation on behalf of one of the members of their community, whose name was Yaakov bar Hanukkah. The letter is known as the Kievan Letter and was discovered in 1962 by Norman Golb of the University of Chicago. The names of the Kievan Jews are of Turkic, Slavic, and Hebrew origins, such as Hanukkah, Yehudah, Gostata, and Kiabar. Scholars disagree as to whether these Jews were Israelites who had merely adopted local names, or whether their local names were a sign of their Turkic Khazarian origin. But we do know that there was an entire district in Kievan Podol named after the Khazars, called "Kozare", which points to the residency of Turkic Khazars in Kiev. The Khazars apparently played an important role in the economic vitality of the city, importing caviar, fish, and salt into Kiev. The Khazars also traded in silverware, wine, coins, glassware, and other useful goods throughout Europe and Asia, reaching as far northwest as Sweden and as far southeast as what is now Uzbekistan. There is no doubt that Khazaria exhibited a high level of civilization and that Jews contributed to its success.

In the capital city, the Khazars established a supreme court composed of 7 members, and every major religion (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and Slavic paganism) was represented on this judicial panel. The Khazars thus sponsored religious tolerance in a time when surrounding countries persecuted those who refused to follow the faith of the rulers.

The story of the Khazars came to the attention of a famous Spanish Jewish diplomat and physician named Hasdai ibn Shaprut. He was amazed and inspired by what he learned about this people. Upon learning from Byzantine messengers that Khazaria was ruled by a king named Yosef and that they are a powerful military and commercial center, Hasdai ibn Shaprut wrote "...I was filled with power, my hands became strong, and my hope gained courage." Seeking contact with Yosef, Hasdai had his literary secretary pen a special letter to be delivered to the Khazar king himself. Towards the end of Hasdai's letter, he remarked: "We live in the Diaspora and there is no power in our hands. They say to us every day, 'Every nation has a kingdom, but you have no memory of such in all the land.' But when we heard about our master the King, the might of his monarchy, and his mighty army, we were amazed. We lifted our heads, our spirits returned, our hands were strengthened, and my master's kingdom was our response in defense. Were it that this news would gain added strength, for through it we will be elevated further." (translation by Rabbi N. Daniel Korobkin in the 1998 edition of The Kuzari) As Raymond Scheindlin remarked in his book The Chronicles of the Jewish People: "To the oppressed Jews of the world, the Khazars were a source of pride and hope, for their existence seemed to prove that God had not completely abandoned His people."

Hasdai's letter, and Yosef's reply to it, were preserved due in large part to the work of the scholar Yitzhak Aqrish (1489-1578?), a Spanish Jew who later lived in Egypt. Aqrish discovered copies of the Hasdai and Yosef letters in Cairo. In 1577 he published these letters in Constantinople in a Hebrew pamplet called Kol Mebasser ("Voice of the Messenger of Good News"). Aqrish's publication of these valuable letters was designed to raise the spirits of oppressed Jews around the world.

But Hasdai wrote to Yosef just before events began to unfold that ultimately crushed the Khazar kingdom. The Pechenegs, Rus, Oghuz, and Byzantines descended upon the kingdom from the 960s to the 1010s and overwhelmed them. After the fall of Khazaria references to the Judaized Turkic Khazars become much more sparse. But even after the final fall of Khazaria in the 11th century, there remained many Khazars who remained Jews. Abraham Ibn Daud, writing Sefer ha-Qabbalah in the year 1161, said that he met Khazar students in person while in Toledo, Spain and that they were rabbinical Jews.

The ultimate fate of the Khazars is still somewhat of a mystery, even though some clues point to their continuance among various Jewish, Muslim, and Christian communities. Some have speculated that the Mountain Jews of the eastern Caucasus are descended in part from the Khazars. Various Turkic groups living in the North Caucasus today may be descended from Khazars who adopted Islam. Abba Eban, Israel's foreign minister from 1966 to 1974, argued in his 1968 book My People that it is likely that "...Khazar progeny reached the various Slavic lands where they helped to build the great Jewish centers of Eastern Europe."

Serious scholarship into the Khazars only began in the 19th century, and throughout the 20th century many important discoveries were made. In modern Israel, there is considerable interest in the grand history of the Khazar Jewish people. Several Israeli novels include Khazarian themes and characters. In 1997 the Israeli journalist Ehud Ya'ari broadcast a fascinating 3-part documentary on the Khazars entitled Memlekhet ha-Kuzarim. Israeli media such as The Jerusalem Report and The Jerusalem Post have covered Khazarian history from time to time. In 1999 the first international Khazar Symposium was held in Jerusalem, bringing together many of the brightest scholars in modern Khazar studies from Russia, the United States, and Israel.

father ted

01-10-2007, 02:21 PM

mountain

01-10-2007, 05:28 PM

I dunno. but I do have a few Arab friends from Kuwait, Jordan and Israel and they all have a tension with Ashkenzai Jews. They express to me that they are "white" blond haired and blue-eyed, and that they are causing tremendous problems with the Arab peoples of their regions. Basically, not belonging there and having no heritage except claiming the "Jewish" faith.
I get that they are very uncomfortable with this idea.

albiee

01-10-2007, 06:45 PM

I am holocaust denier!!!

Well allow me to explain. First off, I don ‘t deny that Jews were ostracized and persecuted by the National Socialists in the 1930s and 1940s, I freely acknowledge that fact. I don’t deny that hundreds of thousands were sent to “concentration camps,” in Germany, Austria, France and Poland.

I don’t deny that International Jewry was viewed as problematic and parasitic by many Europeans in the 1930s and 1940s and I don’t deny that many Jews lost their lives during the Second World War.

What I do deny is that six million died, I refuse to accept that number, primarily because that is what I am suppose to believe.

I am holocaust denier, because many cowardly European governments throw their own people in prison for questioning [not denying] the holocaust - none of them [not one] deny that the Nazis persecuted and excluded Jews prior to and during the Second World War, they do however question some of the more unlikely stories associated with the so called holocaust and for that reason, the media, which as you know [and you know you know] is disproportionately under the thumb of Zionist Jews.

Canada, and many European countries, including France, Germany, and Austria throw their own people in prison for questioning some of the most improbable assertions associated with the holocaust from some of the most dubious witnesses and sources.

A few examples are listed below - bear in mind as you read them that some of these examples were entered into the court record, provided by alleged “eyewitnesses” used to convict [and thus justify the execution of] Nazi leaders for crimes against humanity during the Nuremberg Trials immediately following WWII.

http://pcapostate.blogspot.com/2006/12/i-am-holocaust-denier-and-i-am.html

nickatnoon61

01-10-2007, 09:05 PM

Most (educated) modern day Jews are familiar about being ashkanazim.

What you wrote about the sephardic jews I agree with, that is why I believe that most of the illuminati are geneologically sephardic, and can trace their lineage back to them. Sephardics seem to be the true hebrews, as you said, the jews that the bible talks about. I believe that they were one of the first races of the illuminati, or one of the first races that the reptillians inter bread with, to create the illuminati (as illuminati mainly reffers to shapeshifters and their descendents), as with phoenicians, egyptians ect. FT, I think you are on to something, as I have read tons of info about Genetic Mixing between the Annunaki and humans. That is why I believe the Ashkenazi Jews have stronger Reppie DNA, and are more "cold-blooded". They call themselves God's chosen ones! God being the Annunaki! They even have the Purim Festival where they kill a gentile and drink his blood!!!!

nickatnoon61

01-10-2007, 09:20 PM

cheeb

01-10-2007, 09:22 PM

FT, I think you are on to something, as I have read tons of info about Genetic Mixing between the Annunaki and humans. That is why I believe the Ashkenazi Jews have stronger Reppie DNA, and are more "cold-blooded" They even have the Purim Festival where they kill a gentile and drink his blood!!!!

You are almost funny Nick:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo

Your use of irony,
Is quite sublime!!!

:D

albiee

01-10-2007, 09:46 PM

You are almost funny Nick:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo

Your use of irony,
Is quite sublime!!!

:D

Yeah he is funny singing this song! But in reality! these are the people whos getting wiped out by ZIONISM!

Political Ponerology: Evil is Real - YouTube

nickatnoon61

01-10-2007, 09:57 PM

Yeah he is funny singing this song! But in reality! these are the people whos getting wiped out by ZIONISM!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfHeYsI3UXc This movie uses comedy to instill the message into the masses! Anyone who puts any stock into this tripe is an idiot!!! You notice Cohen(Borat) makes refererence to a 7 year-old's asshole, in the movie! These pedophiles should know!!!! Before the masses(us) were compromised, and dumbed-down with satanic pornography and heavy metal/rap music, we would never allow this to be shown anywhere, let alone on mainstream movie screens and Zio-TV!!!! We've come a long way,baby!!!!! NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!

cheeb

01-10-2007, 10:06 PM

[QUOTE=albiee;143762]Yeah he is funny singing this song! But in reality! these are the people whos getting wiped out by ZIONISM!

Which people,
Names,
Dates,
Adresses,
Where are they buried,

Names of assisins,
Numbers etc..........

I want a bit of proof please,
Not just supposition and speculation!!!

damagedbrainn

01-10-2007, 10:07 PM

This movie uses comedy to instill the message into the masses! Anyone who puts any stock into this tripe is an idiot!!! You notice Cohen(Borat) makes refererence to a 7 year-old's asshole, in the movie! These pedophiles should know!!!! Before the masses(us) were compromised, and dumbed-down with satanic pornography and heavy metal/rap music, we would never allow this to be shown anywhere, let alone on mainstream movie screens and Zio-TV!!!! We've come a long way,baby!!!!! NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!

He also shows a woman pictures of his "son's" penis in order to brag about how much it's grown. Which was one of the funniest scenes in the movie.

There's also a scene involving the Jews ability to "shapeshift" (though it was into roaches, not reptiles). Also funny.

Oh, and the guy that plays Borat is JEWISH! It all adds up. We are through the looking glass!

father ted

01-10-2007, 11:12 PM

FT, I think you are on to something, as I have read tons of info about Genetic Mixing between the Annunaki and humans. That is why I believe the Ashkenazi Jews have stronger Reppie DNA, and are more "cold-blooded". They call themselves God's chosen ones! God being the Annunaki! They even have the Purim Festival where they kill a gentile and drink his blood!!!!

Seriously, that's (probably) where the term kid regarding children, comes from.

father ted

01-10-2007, 11:19 PM

He also shows a woman pictures of his "son's" penis in order to brag about how much it's grown. Which was one of the funniest scenes in the movie.

There's also a scene involving the Jews ability to "shapeshift" (though it was into roaches, not reptiles). Also funny.

Oh, and the guy that plays Borat is JEWISH! It all adds up. We are through the looking glass!

That's what I've always said, Cohen is a khazar, so is borat. The khazar empire streched into what is now western kazakhstan, and probably further. Getting further in though, the people look more asian/mongolian. The word kazakh I would think comes from the word khazar. Kazakhstan means the land of the kazakhs. Cohen is making fun of his own race, and as much as I love the humour of borat, that is the biggest joke of all!

sunyatta60

03-10-2007, 12:07 PM

The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books).

I have taken the liberty of posting some of these post to this board

http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=212639&func=3&channel=People%20Connection&refresh=true

The Jews there are all Zionist and I am now being called Everything from a Nazi to an Anti Semite. LOL
I suggest Nick the goon and Eternal Spit get over there and take these Rabid Zionist on I will then just sit back and Laugh.

eternal_spirit

03-10-2007, 12:12 PM

eternal_spirit

03-10-2007, 12:14 PM

Seriously, that's (probably) where the term kid regarding children, comes from.

...........

Yes a kid is a young goat as in scapegoat.

father ted

03-10-2007, 12:19 PM

...........

Yes a kid is a young goat as in scapegoat.

Kid as in sacrifice.

nickatnoon61

03-10-2007, 11:41 PM

nickatnoon61

04-10-2007, 06:33 AM

Who supports "Hate laws"?! This is straight from the ADL site. In view of it's connection to the Jewish-Russian mob organisation, it should be investigated as a Criminal Organisation (which it has always been) and for it's Anti-Americanism (see it's thoughts of moving onside to Russia rather than the USA....what could this mean...hmmm?).

One may think all that money from Arabs in financing their Islamisation of the west is an isolationist act, but you can be assured that their "oil-money" would be cut-short if the Zionist Banksters wanted it so (as with immigration policies over the decades). The Muslim leaders are the collaberationists of the Jude0-Zionist-Bolshevik Talmudists. If it were not for the financing of the Banksters and their creation of the OPEC cartel, the Muslims with the money wouldn't exist as they do today.

Was the need for oil the reason to empower this bloc of countries under Khazar Muslim domination? Think what you may, but this is controlled politics and economics geared toward the Judaisation of the world under their _EW WORLD ORDER. Behind "Islamisation" is the same Judeo-Talmudic elder brother. All the Jewish organisations worldwide, such as the powerful ADL-B'nai B'rith, play their subversive roles in undermining anything good and implementing their Imperialist aims, through every twisted distortion and clash of ideas they can dutably pervert toward their own ends.

Do not be fooled by the Jewish proclamations against Islam, the clash of Islam with Judeo-Zionist Israel (and it's Khosar character) or any notion that either is separate and only the Judaist is the friend of Freedom in the West. That is sheer posturing. Of course, I don't want to leave the "Judeo-Christians" out of this either, as they are tools in the rank and file as much as the Muslims....but it is in the leadership levels of the various groups (with few exceptions) that are the subversive element that control's each of these societies and institutions. Look behind the curtain going waaaay back and there you will find that subversive element that today goes by the name of Judaism and calling themselves Jews.

Anyhow, read on about what the ADL thinks. It is always good to go to the source for what any people thinks or what attitude prevails when trying to understand what is going on. If you want to know what Jewish prevailing attitude is, try and get to their own publications.

ADL Hails House Approval Of Federal Hate Crimes Legislation

New York, NY, May 3, 2007 -- The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today hailed the approval of long delayed legislation to update and expand federal hate crimes laws by the U.S. House of Representatives. The measure, H.R. 1592, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007, was approved by a vote of 237-180.

ADL expressed disappointment, however, that senior advisors in the Administration have recommended that the President veto the legislation should it come to his desk for signature.

Glen S. Lewy, ADL National Chair, and Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, issued the following statement:

We welcome the House vote as the next step in the long campaign to enact this essential legislation. This important action continues the history of bipartisan, majority support for enactment of a federal hate crimes law.
The Administration has wrongly called this legislation "unnecessary and constitutionally questionable." In fact, this measure, for the first time, permits the Justice Department to assist local hate crime prosecutions and, where appropriate, to investigate and prosecute cases in which bias violence occurs because of the victim's race, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, or disability. Furthermore, since similar federal hate crime laws have never been successfully challenged – and the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of hate crimes laws in 1993 – we are confident that this law will pass constitutional muster.

We have been privileged to help lead an extraordinarily broad coalition of civil rights, education, law enforcement, civic, and religious communities working in support of this legislation, which will promote federal and state partnership efforts to combat hate violence. We urge the Senate to promptly follow the House in approving this bill.

Forty-five states and the District of Columbia have passed hate crime statutes, many based on model legislation drafted by ADL. The League has been a pioneer in drafting and promoting tough and effective hate crimes laws across the country.

ADL Responds to Hate Crime at Los Angeles City Council Member's Office

nickatnoon61

05-10-2007, 06:05 AM

'Having only one Israeli casualty among the 4,500 dead at the WTC is simply a statistical impossibility."
The one who 'stayed' and got it, was probably trying to steal some of the gold at the basement, eh??

From: Glenn Welker
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: Officials Say Number of Those Still Missing May Be Overstated

Of the 130 Israelis President Bush claimed had died in the World Trade
Center, it turned out that 129 of them were still alive. Only one
Israeli had actually died in the catastrophe of the World Trade Center.
I was incredulous. "Good God," I said out loud to myself, "only one Israeli!"

The New York Times
September 22, 2001

THE TALLY

Officials Say Number of Those Still Missing May Be Overstated

[...] But interviews with many consulate officials yesterday suggested
that the lists of people they were collecting varied widely in their
usefulness.

For example, the city had somehow received reports of many Israelis
feared missing at the site, and President Bush in his address to the country
on Thursday night mentioned that about 130 Israelis had died in the
attacks. But today, Alon Pinkas, Israel's consul general here, said that lists
of the missing included reports from people who had called in because, for
instance, relatives in New York had not returned their phone calls from
Israel. There were, in fact, only three Israelis who had been confirmed as
dead: two on the planes and another who had been visiting the towers
on business and who was identified and buried.
After searching through dozens of articles trying to track down the
true Israeli death toll, I finally found a New York Times piece that clarified
the precise number of Israelis who died in the World Trade Center
attack.

Of the 130 Israelis President Bush claimed had died in the World Trade
Center, it turned out that 129 of them were still alive. Only one
Israeli had actually died in the catastrophe of the World Trade Center.
I was incredulous. "Good God," I said out loud to myself, "only one Israeli!"
Here is the pertinent excerpt from the NY Times:

But interviews with many consulate officials Friday suggested that the
lists of people they were collecting varied widely in their usefulness.

For example, the city had somehow received reports of many Israelis
feared missing at the site, and President Bush in his address to the country
on Thursday night mentioned that about 130 Israelis had died in the
attacks.But Friday, Alon Pinkas, Israel's consul general here, said that lists of
the missing included reports from people who had called in because, for
instance, relatives in New York had not returned their phone calls from
Israel.

There were, in fact, only three Israelis who had been confirmed as
dead: two on the planes and another who had been visiting the towers on
business and who was identified and buried. (New York Times, Sept. 22)
The very low death toll of 130 suggested that a number of Israelis at
the Trade Center had been warned before the attack.

When I found out the truth that only one Israeli had died, there could
be no doubt that there had been a prior warning for many Israelis.

Having only one Israeli casualty among the 4,500 dead at the WTC is
simply a statistical impossibility.

Even if the Israeli Foreign Ministry and the Jerusalem Post had grossly
overestimated the number of Israelis in the World Trade Center by 3,000
(400 percent), there still should have still been one thousand Israelis
there at the time of the attacks. Again, even if only a few hundred Israelis
were present at the time of the attack, only one Israeli death occurring there
is statistically absurd.

Either September 11 had to be a big Israeli holiday, or a number of
Israeli citizens had some advance warning of the impending attack.
The fact is that no Israeli or Jewish holiday falls on September 11.

Prior Warning to Israelis.

The next thing I researched was to see if there were any confirmed
warnings to Israelis prior to the attack. I quickly found an article in Newsbytes,
a news service of the Washington Post, titled "Instant Messages To Israel
Warned Of WTC Attack." The Israeli daily, Ha'aretz, also confirmed the
prior warnings to Israel and confirmed that the FBI is investigating the warnings.

The articles detailed that an Israeli messaging firm, Odigo, with
offices in both the World Trade Center and in Israel, received a
number of warnings just two hours before the attack. [...]
Now, who would have warned Israelis of the impending attack,
if not Israel's Mossad?

nickatnoon61

05-10-2007, 07:20 AM

http://josephcortina.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/

sunyatta60

05-10-2007, 09:20 AM

Thanx Sonnyboy, that is a compliment!

It was said tongue firmly in cheek honest guv LOL I am in touch with researcher Robert Bird and posted some of your and Eternals comments onto him here is his reply :)

Sephardim (those in the varied diasporas) are not necessarily arab or african (and what does that mean - is it Egyptian Hyksos?).

The Ashkenazi are indeed Khazars. In any event I disagree with the racial overtones expressed here. Jews are NOT just a religious affiliation and there are black Jews etc? And I warn you about asuming the elite Jews are in any way interested in the welfare of the Ashkenazi or their Khazar brothers. Read the Halakah when you are sure you won't throw up or have not recently ingested too much food.

History is a set of lies agreed upon.
Napoleon
For example - was Moses (founder of the House of Judah) a Jew? NO- He was an Egyptian Prince and the half-brother of Aaron (Smenkhare) and most likely he was Akhenaten himself. Freud said he was no Jew but Freud did not know what a Jew was even though he was one of those called Jewish. The rulers of Egypt from the 18th C to the 12th BCE were 'foreigners' and this is what Hyksos translates to.

Start with the Hebrew and who developed the language. There is no one who has explained these things or done the research other than myself. But since no one cares to know or read - start with WF Albright, Linguistics, and the Hyksos to Gaedhil connection that became Gnostic Cathars and Merovingians since the time of Sargon the Great through ML-chi-Zadok. nI have free articles connecting some of the dots including one on ML-chi-zadok.

nickatnoon61

05-10-2007, 09:27 PM