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norton

24-09-2007, 03:40 PM

albie

24-09-2007, 03:44 PM

Here. Here.

How arrogant people can be when they've only heard the evidence that supports their theories.

bigus_dickus

24-09-2007, 03:47 PM

How arrogant people can be when they've only heard the evidence that supports their theories.

sheepley and trolley arrogant?

synergy777

24-09-2007, 03:51 PM

its true, good frank post. we get caught up in the i am neo, claridad, awakened trap. its pride at its worst. i guess we should find a more suitable term and adopt a more humble/compassionate attutude. its just frustating, hence we vent our frustations by calling them sheep. after all, all of us were uniformed at one stage in our life.

mr_moon

24-09-2007, 03:59 PM

i haven't been on this site for long, as you can probably tell by the amount of posts i've done. But there is something that REALLY annoys me. It's the people who refer to the public as Sheeple or trolls or whatever. I mean, you sound as if you think you're superior to the public just because you've read a little bit on conspiracies or you think a little bit, in between puffs on your joint, about the afterlife. You are no better or worse than any other human being (excluding pedo's and murderers....you know what i mean). So, please can you all stop refering to the public with these derogatory terms as you are basically saying you are better than them. Which doesn't get you on to the path of enlightenment, doesn't help ANYONE spiritually and creates seperatism and divide, which i thought you/we are ALL against.

P.S. Everyone is agnostic, you can have a BELIEF in something, doesn't make it true. Even if you believe it 100% (which seems a tad weird to me) doesn't make it true.

I do agree with you here... i'm not too keen on the term 'Sheeple' or 'Trolls' either really OR 'Reptilian' for that matter. It keeps us in a state of Division and Duality but how can people be encouraged to acknowledge this?

Any answers to this question are greatly appreciated...

TRUTH as you point out is real. What is true to me- is real. What is true to you- is real. To say that we can have a 'belief' is true to you and that is fantastic but personally i don't think we 'need' beliefs to justify something that may seem SO far out to another person that it couldn't possibly be 'real' or 'true' without experiencing it...

Beliefs keep things from being 'true' and turn them into airy fairy fantasies.

Some things, i am positive, are VERY true and those are the things you experience for yourself... not what you're told is true... if you know what i mean? :D

Lots of Love,

JAy
xxx

bigus_dickus

24-09-2007, 04:03 PM

It keeps us in a state of Division and Duality but how can people be encouraged to acknowledge this?

Any answers to this question are greatly appreciated...

i don't start a sentence with a "you are" sequence, or when i have to use the "you are" sequence, i am not going to continue with saying something that i am not :)

revolutionary_jam

24-09-2007, 04:04 PM

december

24-09-2007, 04:05 PM

I mean, you sound as if you think you're superior to the public just because you've read a little bit on conspiracies or you think a little bit, in between puffs on your joint, about the afterlife.

Hello, Norton.
I think this is not the case... :)

The problem here is that there are number of people who have no culture and they never heard of the word tolerance I assume. What they usually do is explode with emotions and then post dozens of meaningless messages just to shut you up because they hate a different opinion.

John White is one of them. If you check the Rant Room then you'll see how many good threads had been moved there because of his trolling/spamming behavior.

mr_moon

24-09-2007, 04:07 PM

Hello, Norton.
I think this is not the case... :)

The problem here is that there are number of people who have no culture and they never heard of the word tolerance I assume. What they usually do is explode with emotions and then post dozens of meaningless messages just to shut you up because they hate a different opinion.

John White is one of them. If you check the Rant Room then you'll see how many good threads had been moved there because of his trolling/spamming behavior.

He does have a fantastic Avatar though :D

norton

24-09-2007, 04:12 PM

i know what you mean MrMoon, i was refering specifically to the people who are adamant that there is an afterlife, that there is an infinate conciousness. i do believe it myself, but it is just that, a belief. I'm not saying i'm right, which a lot of people on here seem to think they are, but i think everyone should accept it's just a belief, i call myself agnostic because i don't know for a fact that there is. regardless of what my mind thinks it's connected to (i have had many out of body experiences, i have communicated with, apparently, beings from 'elsewhere' but i'm not arrogant enough to say i know the truth!)

norton

24-09-2007, 04:19 PM

i agree except you aren't better than murderers or paedos either you just think you are coz you haven't done as many terrible things as they have

but just because someone does terrible things doesn't make them less human, more to be pitied, remember everything is a reflection everything else so that tiny murderous part of you locked away in the corner of your personality and mine is that tiny murderous part of society locked away in society

hang on a moment there. I AM BETTER THAN PEDO'S, I AM BETTER THAN MURDERERS. what makes me different is i haven't acted on these thoughts, sure i've been through moments in my life when i've wished people dead - not so much recently i might add- but i've never taken a human life or molested kids. I see what you're saying but to say they should be pitied.... i'm not so sure about. personally if anyone touched my kids in an inappropriate way i'd want them dead. wouldn't you? What gives them and murderers the right to life? not very enlightened, but it's what i think

phoebe

24-09-2007, 04:23 PM

i haven't been on this site for long, as you can probably tell by the amount of posts i've done. But there is something that REALLY annoys me. It's the people who refer to the public as Sheeple or trolls or whatever. I mean, you sound as if you think you're superior to the public just because you've read a little bit on conspiracies or you think a little bit, in between puffs on your joint, about the afterlife. You are no better or worse than any other human being (excluding pedo's and murderers....you know what i mean). So, please can you all stop refering to the public with these derogatory terms as you are basically saying you are better than them. Which doesn't get you on to the path of enlightenment, doesn't help ANYONE spiritually and creates seperatism and divide, which i thought you/we are ALL against.

P.S. Everyone is agnostic, you can have a BELIEF in something, doesn't make it true. Even if you believe it 100% (which seems a tad weird to me) doesn't make it true.

Fantastic post.*
It never fails to boggle me
How conspiracy people get miffed at
The 'Illuminati' thinking of 'us' as 'cattle'
And then they go and call people who
Don't know or believe in conpsiracy 'sheep' or 'sheople'.
It's more labels when we should be
Ditching the labelling and pigeon holing of things.
Yep, we're all the same
All created equal.
It's just that some are more equal than others ;)

*Apart from the ps which I disagree with.
Believing is seeing not vice versa.
Whatever you believe will become your reality.
But that's another topic, so I'll leave it there.

:)

revolutionary_jam

24-09-2007, 04:37 PM

phoebe

24-09-2007, 04:45 PM

hang on a moment there. I AM BETTER THAN PEDO'S, I AM BETTER THAN MURDERERS. what makes me different is i haven't acted on these thoughts, sure i've been through moments in my life when i've wished people dead - not so much recently i might add- but i've never taken a human life or molested kids. I see what you're saying but to say they should be pitied.... i'm not so sure about. personally if anyone touched my kids in an inappropriate way i'd want them dead. wouldn't you? What gives them and murderers the right to life? not very enlightened, but it's what i think

Duuude.
You're not better or worse than murderers.
You're just someone who hasn't murdered anyone yet.
In any case, it is only society that tells us murder is wrong
Or that having sex with children is wrong.
In fact, childhood itself is a societal invention
And in lots of cultures it simply doesn't exist.
*ducks and covers and awaits a good flaming*

As such...
If murderers have no 'right to life' (as you put it)
What makes you think you have the 'right'
To judge what is their right?
Of course, if someone murdered your children
You would want to do them harm in return.
But how does that make you any different
From the murderer?
You are driven by the same animal instincts
As the rest of us
And it is this ridiculous tit for tat
Eye for an eye crap which has got us
Where we are today.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, said Ghandi.
And I think he's 100% spot on.

norton

24-09-2007, 04:46 PM

yeah exactly you'd want them dead, so would I, just like a murderer wants someone dead

Surely you can see that a revenge attack is different to just killing someone. Why does the system help the criminals more than the victims.....the hell with this, i'm moving to texas! :D

orgo knight

24-09-2007, 04:47 PM

norton

24-09-2007, 04:49 PM

or how about just people?

norton

24-09-2007, 05:21 PM

Duuude.
You're not better or worse than murderers.
You're just someone who hasn't murdered anyone yet.
In any case, it is only society that tells us murder is wrong
Or that having sex with children is wrong.
In fact, childhood itself is a societal invention
And in lots of cultures it simply doesn't exist.
*ducks and covers and awaits a good flaming*

As such...
If murderers have no 'right to life' (as you put it)
What makes you think you have the 'right'
To judge what is their right?
Of course, if someone murdered your children
You would want to do them harm in return.
But how does that make you any different
From the murderer?
You are driven by the same animal instincts
As the rest of us
And it is this ridiculous tit for tat
Eye for an eye crap which has got us
Where we are today.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, said Ghandi.
And I think he's 100% spot on.

i seriously hope you are joking!!!

1. i haven't murdered anyone YET??? what do you mean yet? you know something i don't?
2. You think having sex with children is ok?????!!? Please do society a favour and don't breed, in fact don't leave your house....ever!! Society doesn't need to tell us peodophilia is wrong, surely you just know. if not, go to a police station or mental asylum, they can help you out. THERE IS NO CULTURE ANYWHERE THAT SAYS IT'S OK TO F**K CHILDREN!
3. ok, someone murders your child, your wife, your mother and your dog. You think 'well, let's let karma sort them out' do you? You think that person has just as much right to live as you? I'm not saying i have a RIGHT to live, i am saying i am alive, and as a human i have NO right to take it away from anyone else, but if someone does harm to my family i will be THEIR karma.
4. don't quote what other 'wiser' people have said and done, think for yourself. Just because Ghandi- who was a hypocrite anyway- said it, doesn't make it right.

phoebe

24-09-2007, 05:41 PM

i seriously hope you are joking!!!

1. i haven't murdered anyone YET??? what do you mean yet? you know something i don't?
2. You think having sex with children is ok?????!!? Please do society a favour and don't breed, in fact don't leave your house....ever!! Society doesn't need to tell us peodophilia is wrong, surely you just know. if not, go to a police station or mental asylum, they can help you out. THERE IS NO CULTURE ANYWHERE THAT SAYS IT'S OK TO F**K CHILDREN!
3. ok, someone murders your child, your wife, your mother and your dog. You think 'well, let's let karma sort them out' do you? You think that person has just as much right to live as you? I'm not saying i have a RIGHT to live, i am saying i am alive, and as a human i have NO right to take it away from anyone else, but if someone does harm to my family i will be THEIR karma.
4. don't quote what other 'wiser' people have said and done, think for yourself. Just because Ghandi- who was a hypocrite anyway- said it, doesn't make it right.

No I am not joking.

1.
You are just as capable of murder as the next person.
And given your opinion that revenge murder is ok,
The fact that you will murder someone is entirely possible.

2.
I have already reproduced
So I can't take your advice.
I don't recall saying sex with children is ok.
I said that it is society that tells us that it's bad.
In some cultures, what we define as a child
Has already gone through rites of passage
And begun producing children.
It also depends on what defines a 'child'.
This varies from country to country
And as I said, the concept of childhood
Doesn't even exist in some cultures.
The age of consent also varies across the globe
For example, here in the UK it is 16.
In Albania it is 14.
In Mexico it is 12.
In yet other countries it is 21.
Basically it varies from approx 12 to 21.

3.
You don't need to be anyone's karma.
The universe will take care of that by itself without fail.
And what of the karma that you bring upon yourself
By taking another life out of vengeance?
In an ideal world of course there wouldn't
Be such atrocities
But in order to bring about such a world
It needs to be realised, imo
That 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Of course if those things happened to me
I expect I would be overcome with the urge
To seek vengeance on the purpetrator.
I hope though, that I would be able
To keep my emotions in check
And not inflict the same pain
On another family/children.

4.
I am thinking for myself.
And look... I am getting flamed for it. ;)
That's what happens when the sheep leave the fold.
There is always a shephard waiting to get you back in line.
I like to use quotes because sometimes
They sum up what I want to say without
Using excess amounts of words to do so.
And regardless of whether or not Ghandi
Was a hypocrite (aren't we all?)
I still stand by my use of the quote.
What makes it right, is the fact that
It resonates with ME.

:)

norton

24-09-2007, 05:58 PM

No I am not joking.

1.
You are just as capable of murder as the next person.
And given your opinion that revenge murder is ok,
The fact that you will murder someone is entirely possible.

2.
I have already reproduced
So I can't take your advice.
I don't recall saying sex with children is ok.
I said that it is society that tells us that it's bad.
In some cultures, what we define as a child
Has already gone through rites of passage
And begun producing children.
It also depends on what defines a 'child'.
This varies from country to country
And as I said, the concept of childhood
Doesn't even exist in some cultures.
The age of consent also varies across the globe
For example, here in the UK it is 16.
In Albania it is 14.
In Mexico it is 12.
In yet other countries it is 21.
Basically it varies from approx 12 to 21.

3.
You don't need to be anyone's karma.
The universe will take care of that by itself without fail.
And what of the karma that you bring upon yourself
By taking another life out of vengeance?
In an ideal world of course there wouldn't
Be such atrocities
But in order to bring about such a world
It needs to be realised, imo
That 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Of course if those things happened to me
I expect I would be overcome with the urge
To seek vengeance on the purpetrator.
I hope though, that I would be able
To keep my emotions in check
And not inflict the same pain
On another family/children.

4.
I am thinking for myself.
And look... I am getting flamed for it. ;)
That's what happens when the sheep leave the fold.
There is always a shephard waiting to get you back in line.
I like to use quotes because sometimes
They sum up what I want to say without
Using excess amounts of words to do so.
And regardless of whether or not Ghandi
Was a hypocrite (aren't we all?)
I still stand by my use of the quote.
What makes it right, is the fact that
It resonates with ME.

:)

1. i wouldn't class revenge murder as murder, given the right circumstances it can be totally justified.

2. let's agree to disagree about child sex, just 'cos the age of consent is 12 in some countries, doesn't make it right. come on now, you really think 12 is ok to have sex? (rhetorical, not aimed at you) and considering what you know about 'them' you'll know why it's 12 in mexico yeah?

3. i didn't mean i was karma literally, but my first thought is to protect and help my family, ANYONE does anything to hurt them they will have to face me and to be totally honest, i couldn't care if karma goes after me, as long as my kids would never have to see the pedo's face again (or whatever the circumstances) than i'll live with it. 2 wrongs might not make a right, but they sure make me feel better.

it's easy to enlightened untill these things happen to you. when you say you hope you'd rise above the emotions etc.... all to easy to say that, not so easy to live it. so untill you've actually had to deal with it don't comment.

4. you calling me a sheep or sheppherd? you aren't very clear there.either way, you don't know me, and judging by your rather, umm, hippyish(?) or maybe clueless reply, you spend most of your time online thinking yourself to be enlightened without ever having to face any REAL hardships or any REAL pain. Therefore, i conclude you to be even more brainwashed and conditioned than the ones you call sheep

razed1

24-09-2007, 06:09 PM

i haven't been on this site for long, as you can probably tell by the amount of posts i've done. But there is something that REALLY annoys me. It's the people who refer to the public as Sheeple or trolls or whatever. I mean, you sound as if you think you're superior to the public just because you've read a little bit on conspiracies or you think a little bit, in between puffs on your joint, about the afterlife. You are no better or worse than any other human being (excluding pedo's and murderers....you know what i mean). So, please can you all stop refering to the public with these derogatory terms as you are basically saying you are better than them. Which doesn't get you on to the path of enlightenment, doesn't help ANYONE spiritually and creates seperatism and divide, which i thought you/we are ALL against.

P.S. Everyone is agnostic, you can have a BELIEF in something, doesn't make it true. Even if you believe it 100% (which seems a tad weird to me) doesn't make it true.

i think ppl who have awaken call ppl who are sheep, sheeple, becuase the truth of the situation is so far removed from what the general public understand to be real, that they are akin to sheep being controlled and herded

so all these things you say, "you can have a beleif in something" etc. etc. there still is only one truth of the situation

the reason there are so many varying views in the conspiracy forums, is because everyone (that is not a paid disinformer) has a genuine will to find the truth, and most ppl are in the process of it

so I try to wake ppl up (family/work) and the results vary, from mild curiousity to just utter disgust, and me personally I do consider those who chooose to remain asleep, because the truth will shatter their paradigms, SHEEPLE!

i think someone like winston churchill said "most ppl will stumble upon the truth at least once in their lives, but most will just get up and keep goin"

norton

24-09-2007, 06:39 PM

razed1

24-09-2007, 06:50 PM

but if people choose to remain blinkered surely that is there choice. for you to call them sheep is no different to 'them' calling you sheep. you are placing yourself on an un-justified pedastool. It's up to people to believe what they want to believe. and who are you to call them sheep? you're no better than them

you see how ppl see children or maybe teenagers, and lets say they want to watch t.v. for 8 hours staright, YOU know that it is really not healthy for them, but they dont, and they insist, but you overrule, WHY because you know they dont have certain information which they are basing their decisoins on

this is the type of attitude that ppl who have awoken have towards those asleep

you probably know those ppl who brush their teeth everyday with flouride toothpaste or give their children immunizations, but YOU knw that stuff aint good for them, you tell them that, but they dont beleive you or they say if it was bad then why would it be recommended by doctors or dental associations

waking up out of the matrix DEMANDS that one be responsible and make BIG decions for oneself

ppl who are asleep have all the big decisions made up for them, as far as health issues, govts, they are not ready for that responsibility and have a child-like mind, where big-daddy GOVT will take care of them, all they have to do is go to work, make worthless paper $$ and go buy things in stores, THAT is a real EASY life, a SHEEP's LIFE

we can call them lemmings if the thread starter has an aversion to the word sheep, but the domesicated sheep's life seems to describe the SHEEPLE's life pretty perfectly

intruder

24-09-2007, 06:54 PM

Here. Here.

How arrogant people can be when they've only heard the evidence that supports their theories.

How true!! HEAR!! HEAR!!

This is MORE than true for historical revisionists. Despite having looked at BOTH sides of a compelling issue, some end up being deported (TWICE in some cases) and imprisoned, unallowed to even SEE their accusers or the evidence being used to "convict" them. Imagine doing 7 years because you have an alternate take on historical events. An alternate take that MUST be so devastating to one's opposition that they resort to secret trials and a verdict that is NOT proportionate to the "crime."

phoebe

24-09-2007, 06:57 PM

1. i wouldn't class revenge murder as murder, given the right circumstances it can be totally justified.

2. let's agree to disagree about child sex, just 'cos the age of consent is 12 in some countries, doesn't make it right. come on now, you really think 12 is ok to have sex? (rhetorical, not aimed at you) and considering what you know about 'them' you'll know why it's 12 in mexico yeah?

3. i didn't mean i was karma literally, but my first thought is to protect and help my family, ANYONE does anything to hurt them they will have to face me and to be totally honest, i couldn't care if karma goes after me, as long as my kids would never have to see the pedo's face again (or whatever the circumstances) than i'll live with it. 2 wrongs might not make a right, but they sure make me feel better.

it's easy to enlightened untill these things happen to you. when you say you hope you'd rise above the emotions etc.... all to easy to say that, not so easy to live it. so untill you've actually had to deal with it don't comment.

4. you calling me a sheep or sheppherd? you aren't very clear there.either way, you don't know me, and judging by your rather, umm, hippyish(?) or maybe clueless reply, you spend most of your time online thinking yourself to be enlightened without ever having to face any REAL hardships or any REAL pain. Therefore, i conclude you to be even more brainwashed and conditioned than the ones you call sheep

1.
OK.
A difference of opinion.
I can live with that. :)

2.
Ditto.

3.
You are right.
It's easy to be enlightened
When sitting in the lotus position, chanting om.
Very different when faced with real life.
That's when you really have to work at it.

4.
I'm not calling you either.
I was using 'sheep' and 'shepherd' as an analogy.
And I also found it quite funny/ironic
Considering the subject of this thread.
Did you read my original post on this thread
In answer to your opening post?
If you read it you will see that I am in
Complete agreement with you regarding
The use of the terms 'sheep' and 'sheople'.
So steady on there before you get carried away
Imagining I'm a hippy or that I'm some die-hard
Icke fan who spends all day on the internet!
I have had substantial pain and hardship in my life
But I don't consider it to make me any less or more
Of a person than someone who has had an easy life.
And I don't spend most of my time online.
I spend most of my time living my life and being a parent.
But you're right in that I do consider myself enlightened.
I'm enlightenment itself just as you are. :)

norton

24-09-2007, 06:58 PM

you see how ppl see children or maybe teenagers, and lets say they want to watch t.v. for 8 hours staright, YOU know that it is really not healthy for them, but they dont, and they insist, but you overrule, WHY because you know they dont have certain information which they are basing their decisoins on

this is the type of attitude that ppl who have awoken have towards those asleep

you probably know those ppl who brush their teeth everyday with flouride toothpaste or give their children immunizations, but YOU knw that stuff aint good for them, you tell them that, but they dont beleive you or they say if it was bad then why would it be recommended by doctors or dental associations

waking up out of the matrix DEMANDS that one be responsible and make BIG decions for oneself

ppl who are asleep have all the big decisions made up for them, as far as health issues, govts, they are not ready for that responsibility and have a child-like mind, where big-daddy GOVT will take care of them, all they have to do is go to work, make worthless paper $$ and go buy things in stores, THAT is a real EASY life, a SHEEP's LIFE

we can call them lemmings if the thread starter has an aversion to the word sheep, but the domesicated sheep's life seems to describe the SHEEPLE's life pretty perfectly

wow, i wish i was as enlightened as you ! see you in nirvana

fullfathomfive

24-09-2007, 07:02 PM

ppl who are asleep have all the big decisions made up for them, as far as health issues, govts, they are not ready for that responsibility and have a child-like mind, where big-daddy GOVT will take care of them, all they have to do is go to work, make worthless paper $$ and go buy things in stores, THAT is a real EASY life, a SHEEP's LIFE

we can call them lemmings if the thread starter has an aversion to the word sheep, but the domesicated sheep's life seems to describe the SHEEPLE's life pretty perfectly

But you can make those decisions for them? Are you a shepherd?

Seriously, do you have so much contempt for your fellows that you call them 'sheep'?

See you in Hell.

norton

24-09-2007, 07:07 PM

1.
OK.
A difference of opinion.
I can live with that. :)

2.
Ditto.

3.
You are right.
It's easy to be enlightened
When sitting in the lotus position, chanting om.
Very different when faced with real life.
That's when you really have to work at it.

4.
I'm not calling you either.
I was using 'sheep' and 'shepherd' as an analogy.
And I also found it quite funny/ironic
Considering the subject of this thread.
Did you read my original post on this thread
In answer to your opening post?
If you read it you will see that I am in
Complete agreement with you regarding
The use of the terms 'sheep' and 'sheople'.
So steady on there before you get carried away
Imagining I'm a hippy or that I'm some die-hard
Icke fan who spends all day on the internet!
I have had substantial pain and hardship in my life
But I don't consider it to make me any less or more
Of a person than someone who has had an easy life.
And I don't spend most of my time online.
I spend most of my time living my life and being a parent.
But you're right in that I do consider myself enlightened.
I'm enlightenment itself just as you are. :)

i think i'm just taking my frustrations out on you. i do apologise, it's just the vast majaority of people on here think that being enlightened is knowing 'the truth' but they are not living the 'truth'. i can tell most of them spend their lives not watching tv but are glued to the internet for 25 hours a day and think it's different somehow. most of them, i can tell mostly by what they say and how they say it are weed smokers and they think that expands their mind, again, somehow. i get so frustrated with these people who think they are on the path to enlightenment simply because they read about it; and that is holding me back. so after tonight, don't think i'll be back, or if i am just every now and then to shout at the people who don't deserve it. apologies Phoebe.

Peace, love and charity

Norton

cheesedanish

24-09-2007, 07:17 PM

razed1

24-09-2007, 07:19 PM

But you can make those decisions for them? Are you a shepherd?

Seriously, do you have so much contempt for your fellows that you call them 'sheep'?

See you in Hell.

see this is what the sheeple's response was to David ICke when he got on the rogan show, like "oh YOURE gonna tell us what to do, YOu have all the answers"

no fool, i dont, theres comes a point when you have to step up and learn on your own, and ppl who take this attitude genuinely find, that what they are learning is very similar to the other reasearcher who is doing the same thing

and YES ppl who choose to remain asleep after someone has offered them another point of view, are as smart as SHEEP, it never occurs to the sheep that theres only 1 dog, and if all of them stuck TOGETHER, they can take the dog and run to FREEEDOM! but no there always some sheep who criticise amd say "oh YOURE gonna lead us to freeedom?? SCOFF"

who needs a sheep dog when theres so many sheep who are so negative and condescending to scoff at anyone trying to spread INFO

fullfathomfive

24-09-2007, 07:31 PM

see this is what the sheeple's response was to David ICke when he got on the rogan show, like "oh YOURE gonna tell us what to do, YOu have all the answers"

no fool, i dont, theres comes a point when you have to step up and learn on your own, and ppl who take this attitude genuinely find, that what they are learning is very similar to the other reasearcher who is doing the same thing

and YES ppl who choose to remain asleep after someone has offered them another point of view, are as smart as SHEEP, it never occurs to the sheep that theres only 1 dog, and if all of them stuck TOGETHER, they can take the dog and run to FREEEDOM! but no there always some sheep who criticise amd say "oh YOURE gonna lead us to freeedom?? SCOFF"

who needs a sheep dog when theres so many sheep who are so negative and condescending to scoff at anyone trying to spread INFO

Get a grip. You're not 'spreading the message' or INFO by posting on the David Icke Forum.

Show some compassion. There need be no sheep or sheepdogs. If you show contempt, you're no better than the enemy. It's not scoffing. It's asking to show respect for fellow humans. Don't be elitist.

geo2

24-09-2007, 07:32 PM

:cool: when u can re-produce, u are a adult and should be free and most are at this stage at 13years-of-age.....................

:mad: 1/3 of the babies-are-aborted/murdered in the little-madonnas-womb, now this makes a whole-lot-of-people-murderers and they will murder in thought/word/deed anyone who says that they are.....and lets not play games, it-is-a Human-Life that Abortion/Murder takes...................Mercy

:eek: the so-called Illuminati are said to be very fond of sexual-acts with young-ones and most of you know the fn stories if u have been researching for a while.............

Hail~Dora !

}}} Sheep is a 'biblical-term' 2 {{{ ok, 'Honkey' }} LOLove/Slut
{{that we are capable of great things, is 4sure }}}but $$$$$$

norton

24-09-2007, 07:37 PM

Hi Norton, so the only reason for not coming back would because
you are offended by the term sheeple or your dislike people who
smoke weed? There is much more here than that and a lot more
'offensive' stuff. I would like to add terms such as Drone and Hived
Minds being used here too. I really dont think its intended to be
Snobbish. What would you call people who are fixated with
Britney Spears? I went to a barbeque yesterday and all they could
talk about was her - someone they actually 'don't know'.
One girl was telling me how Fantastic 'Inconceivable Truth' was.
Well I guess that is their interests - just like I have mine.
I guess if you think of it with a sense of humour because some
people have really no clue - but here's me sounding like I know
better - well in my world maybe I do.

most people on here complain about the sheep but who cares? if they don't want to believe it who are you to call them sheep? all i'm saying is as humans you are no better than them. just because you've read different books and look at different internet sites, does that make you better than them? do you consider yourselves better than say doctors, physiotherapists, carers, garbage collectors or barmen simply because you know who is behind the scenes of everything? So, people believe the BS like al gores crap-umentary, who freaking cares. Look how many people know the truth, thousands go to see anything with the name 'conspiracy' still nothing changes. Even if the whole world knew the truth nothing would change. i find the whole conspiracy thing interesting and outrageous the things they get away with are shocking, but i do also know nothing will change simply because i've read about it or someone told me.

i find weed smokers pathetic morons who don't have a clue about anything, they talk b*ll*cks and can't keep a decent conversation going because their mind wanders too much. and yes, i used to be a weed smoker, a heavy smoker so i do know what i'm talking about. Done in small amounts every now and then, just like everything else, it is fine, but judging by the replies on this forum there's more than a few poeple who smoke on a regular basis. That is not good for mind, body or spirit and if you think it is it just shows you for the moron that you really are who will justify their drug abuse in any way to keep smoking 'da weed bra'. the ones who spend all day and night smoking weed and looking up internet conspiracies in-between wanks. these are the real sheep. at least the 'drones' go out, it may only be to a nightclub to get pissed and have a fight but at least they're out. To them, that is a good time. They don't care about the truth because the people telling it to them are a bunch on loner assholes who are always stoned. You are no better than the 'drones', 'sheep', 'hived minds'.

That is why i will rarely be on this site

p.s. not aimed solely at you.

cheesedanish

24-09-2007, 07:45 PM

This is true .... you are right - we are no better than anyone else.
Is is bad to call them sheep? Not tounge in cheek? Can we
use the word 'ignoramus'? Is that more polite?

I have a problem with people who don't think for themselves
and dont question logic.

Anyway maybe those nightclubbers are happier people - each
to their own.

I guess the important thing is to look around and change what
you are not happy with in your world.

norton

24-09-2007, 07:47 PM

how can you expect to evolve spiritually if you critise others for not believing what you belive............sounds a little like fascism to me

cheeb

24-09-2007, 07:49 PM

most people on here complain about the sheep but who cares? if they don't want to believe it who are you to call them sheep? all i'm saying is as humans you are no better than them. just because you've read different books and look at different internet sites, does that make you better than them? do you consider yourselves better than say doctors, physiotherapists, carers, garbage collectors or barmen simply because you know who is behind the scenes of everything? So, people believe the BS like al gores crap-umentary, who freaking cares. Look how many people know the truth, thousands go to see anything with the name 'conspiracy' still nothing changes. Even if the whole world knew the truth nothing would change. i find the whole conspiracy thing interesting and outrageous the things they get away with are shocking, but i do also know nothing will change simply because i've read about it or someone told me.

i find weed smokers pathetic morons who don't have a clue about anything, they talk b*ll*cks and can't keep a decent conversation going because their mind wanders too much. and yes, i used to be a weed smoker, a heavy smoker so i do know what i'm talking about. Done in small amounts every now and then, just like everything else, it is fine, but judging by the replies on this forum there's more than a few poeple who smoke on a regular basis. That is not good for mind, body or spirit and if you think it is it just shows you for the moron that you really are who will justify their drug abuse in any way to keep smoking 'da weed bra'. the ones who spend all day and night smoking weed and looking up internet conspiracies in-between wanks. these are the real sheep. at least the 'drones' go out, it may only be to a nightclub to get pissed and have a fight but at least they're out. To them, that is a good time. They don't care about the truth because the people telling it to them are a bunch on loner assholes who are always stoned. You are no better than the 'drones', 'sheep', 'hived minds'.

That is why i will rarely be on this site

p.s. not aimed solely at you.

I wouldn't worry about other people soo much,
You be the change you wish to see in the world!!!

Maaan!!!
:rolleyes:

cheesedanish

24-09-2007, 07:53 PM

how can you expect to evolve spiritually if you critise others for not believing what you belive............sounds a little like fascism to me

Ditto

norton

24-09-2007, 07:56 PM

Ditto

good comeback potsy

foreverspirit

24-09-2007, 08:15 PM

i think i'm just taking my frustrations out on you. i do apologise, it's just the vast majaority of people on here think that being enlightened is knowing 'the truth' but they are not living the 'truth'. i can tell most of them spend their lives not watching tv but are glued to the internet for 25 hours a day and think it's different somehow. most of them, i can tell mostly by what they say and how they say it are weed smokers and they think that expands their mind, again, somehow. i get so frustrated with these people who think they are on the path to enlightenment simply because they read about it; and that is holding me back. so after tonight, don't think i'll be back, or if i am just every now and then to shout at the people who don't deserve it. apologies Phoebe.

Peace, love and charity

Norton

Yes now is a good time for you to go. Now that you see, people were just reflecting back to you yourself. Just look at what you think about the: sheeple mockers. Who are you to get judgmentally frustrated with them, just as they are judgmentally frustrated enough to call others sheeple.

Watch - observe. Breathe out every time it arises. Everything is a reflection of how you feel about yourself. Thoughts create reality. Thats the solution offered by Icke in his Matrix video. You know nuff, redirect self. Re train mind. Re direct thoughts. Continue to create.:cool:

pollock

24-09-2007, 08:16 PM

They don't care about the truth because the people telling it to them are a bunch on loner assholes who are always stoned. You are no better than the 'drones', 'sheep', 'hived minds'.

That is why i will rarely be on this site

Ouch, what happened to you<+ A hippie stepped on your bluesuede shoes?
Why even rarely if it is that bad???

Peace
F

phoebe

24-09-2007, 08:38 PM

i think i'm just taking my frustrations out on you. i do apologise, it's just the vast majaority of people on here think that being enlightened is knowing 'the truth' but they are not living the 'truth'. i can tell most of them spend their lives not watching tv but are glued to the internet for 25 hours a day and think it's different somehow. most of them, i can tell mostly by what they say and how they say it are weed smokers and they think that expands their mind, again, somehow. i get so frustrated with these people who think they are on the path to enlightenment simply because they read about it; and that is holding me back. so after tonight, don't think i'll be back, or if i am just every now and then to shout at the people who don't deserve it. apologies Phoebe.

Peace, love and charity

Norton

No problem norton.
Sometimes when we see people on their path
We get irritated coz we think their way is wrong.
There is no wrong way, just different ways.
All roads lead to Rome.
It's all good.
:)

edit to say:
Don't leave the forum just because you're frustrated.
I think that the best lessons are learnt from
Facing our own demons/frustrations/fears.
If you turn your back on them
You turn your back on opportunities to evolve.

lenejento

24-09-2007, 11:39 PM

most people on here complain about the sheep but who cares? if they don't want to believe it who are you to call them sheep? all i'm saying is as humans you are no better than them. just because you've read different books and look at different internet sites, does that make you better than them? do you consider yourselves better than say doctors, physiotherapists, carers, garbage collectors or barmen simply because you know who is behind the scenes of everything? So, people believe the BS like al gores crap-umentary, who freaking cares. Look how many people know the truth, thousands go to see anything with the name 'conspiracy' still nothing changes. Even if the whole world knew the truth nothing would change. i find the whole conspiracy thing interesting and outrageous the things they get away with are shocking, but i do also know nothing will change simply because i've read about it or someone told me.

i find weed smokers pathetic morons who don't have a clue about anything, they talk b*ll*cks and can't keep a decent conversation going because their mind wanders too much. and yes, i used to be a weed smoker, a heavy smoker so i do know what i'm talking about. Done in small amounts every now and then, just like everything else, it is fine, but judging by the replies on this forum there's more than a few poeple who smoke on a regular basis. That is not good for mind, body or spirit and if you think it is it just shows you for the moron that you really are who will justify their drug abuse in any way to keep smoking 'da weed bra'. the ones who spend all day and night smoking weed and looking up internet conspiracies in-between wanks. these are the real sheep. at least the 'drones' go out, it may only be to a nightclub to get pissed and have a fight but at least they're out. To them, that is a good time. They don't care about the truth because the people telling it to them are a bunch on loner assholes who are always stoned. You are no better than the 'drones', 'sheep', 'hived minds'.

That is why i will rarely be on this site

p.s. not aimed solely at you.

Wow :) I think maybe you've given a few here a real eye opener. It's true, even though we sit on this information, we won't change anything, especially if we just sit on our arses, smoking pot, collecting more information like crazy, ranting about the "sheople" to others on the internet. And yes you are ranting about some people here and anger is not good, for YOU either, anger is not good for anyone.

We mustfind out WHO THE HECK WE ARE before we self-righteously rant about anyone, and I'll tell you now, WE ARE NOT WHO WE THINK WE ARE!
I've had glimpses of my true nature, and you CAN NEVER IMAGINE YOUR TRUE NATURE. It is infinitly better than anything that can be imagined.

revolutionary_jam

25-09-2007, 12:40 AM

Surely you can see that a revenge attack is different to just killing someone. Why does the system help the criminals more than the victims.....the hell with this, i'm moving to texas! :D

lol all I'm saying is, the distinction is only actually in your head,

an eye for an eye is pleasing to the ego but has no spiritual validity

it's harder to go the other way and forgive those who sleight you(plus nothing annoys them more lol)

At the end of your life you basically want to be seen as good but how are you going to do that if you don't afford the same to others as much as you possibly can?

remember not eveyone has the same circumstances, advantages, parenthood, mental health, strength of character, etc etc etc as you

razed1

25-09-2007, 06:49 AM

Get a grip. You're not 'spreading the message' or INFO by posting on the David Icke Forum.

Show some compassion. There need be no sheep or sheepdogs. If you show contempt, you're no better than the enemy. It's not scoffing. It's asking to show respect for fellow humans. Don't be elitist.

to answer this,
in a talk of jordan maxwell, he talked about how when they were taking the jews in during ww2, there were alot of jews who were praying to god for help, but none came, why, cause god, not listening..."

so its not about being elitist dude, just gotta do your homework, haha

majicdragon

25-09-2007, 07:54 AM

eternal_spirit

25-09-2007, 09:56 AM

Well thanks for the compliments Norton.

eternal_spirit

25-09-2007, 09:57 AM

http://www.1stmorecambe.net/images/hoh/Jason%20Sheep.jpg

eternal_spirit

25-09-2007, 09:58 AM

http://lonestartimes.com/images/2007/03/moore-gore-sheep.jpg

mr_moon

25-09-2007, 10:34 AM

http://lonestartimes.com/images/2007/03/moore-gore-sheep.jpg

:D:D:D:D:D:D

HAHAHAHA!!!! I nearly pissed my pants looking at this pic- quality that!!!!

mr_moon

25-09-2007, 10:37 AM

I still want to be a sheep. I just want to have a shepherd that is good.

That's an interesting way to think... are you sure this is something that would be good?

You may not want to advise or persuade or control... but to take control of your own life is the most liberating thing you could do.

I suppose that if we could replace the 'people at the top' with educators in Human Consciousness, we may see a different world.... but if we look around- it's kind of already happening...!!!

lightbeing

25-09-2007, 10:44 AM

I agree, the 'troll' word isn't right, it should be replaced by a word I first heard soglad use, FUCKTARDS is more appropriate!!LOL:D:D

i haven't been on this site for long, as you can probably tell by the amount of posts i've done. But there is something that REALLY annoys me. It's the people who refer to the public as Sheeple or trolls or whatever. I mean, you sound as if you think you're superior to the public just because you've read a little bit on conspiracies or you think a little bit, in between puffs on your joint, about the afterlife. You are no better or worse than any other human being (excluding pedo's and murderers....you know what i mean). So, please can you all stop refering to the public with these derogatory terms as you are basically saying you are better than them. Which doesn't get you on to the path of enlightenment, doesn't help ANYONE spiritually and creates seperatism and divide, which i thought you/we are ALL against.

P.S. Everyone is agnostic, you can have a BELIEF in something, doesn't make it true. Even if you believe it 100% (which seems a tad weird to me) doesn't make it true.

auron

25-09-2007, 10:55 AM

FUCKTARDS is more appropriate!!LOL:D:D

http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/28136/2005804947326905231_rs.jpg

lightbeing

25-09-2007, 11:05 AM

http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/28136/2005804947326905231_rs.jpg

I once had hair like that!!LOL:eek::D

Is that Gary Coleman, Different Strokes? Ooh, those were the days!!

lenejento

25-09-2007, 12:15 PM

And some here are wondering why other members are hesitating to post :rolleyes:

lightbeing

25-09-2007, 12:20 PM

And some here are wondering why other members are hesitating to post :rolleyes:

I wonder why, humour keeps us sane!:D

lenejento

25-09-2007, 12:28 PM

I wonder why, humour keeps us sane!:D

Yeah :)
I bet the people not posting here though are the ones doing most to change things. And doesen't care about being the one who posts the most information on a forum to gain some internet respect in an internet clique.

razed1

25-09-2007, 09:29 PM

its a funny situation

you find out about the conspiracy, and thus want to coverse with ppl who are interested teh same thing

but when you post on a forum such as this, some ppl show contempt

i take the opposite attitude than this

I bet the people not posting here though are the ones doing most to change things. And doesen't care about being the one who posts the most information on a forum to gain some internet respect in an internet clique.

i think at this point the battle with the enemy IS on a psychic/intellectual level

and posting on forums such as this is directly attacking the enemy's main vista of deception, LIES

going out there and protesting or spreading flyers around downtown about the illuminati only has a certain degreee of affectability

because the casm between the truth of reality and the sheeple's paradigm is SO IMMENSE that one can only wake up only if they themselves have a genuine need in their heart

you cant force enlightenment on somebody who is ready or simply doenst want to wake up

so if some ppl feel that ppl who are posting on a forum are really wanting to have internet friends, i think this gives insight into the state of mind of the person who is makin this accusation

dont get me wrong, there are many ppl who ppost who arent really into the truth and are all about their own internet-EGO

but those ppl become apparent to all after a while

its all about building a good knowledge base of info for those who are waking up to come into forums like this later and make their own judgements

lilly555

25-09-2007, 09:36 PM

Good post. I agree with that. I feel like being on here connects me to others who are awakeneing and it's a power by numbers sort of thing.

kerravon

25-09-2007, 09:44 PM

People that are not aware of this information certainly do "act" like sheep, but it is definatly unfair to brand them with a label. I admit, it is very easy to gain a "I know more, I understand the world and you don't" superiority complex once you come in possesion of such knowledge.

Maybe we should replace the word "Sheeple" with "The Unaware" or "The Unawakened", but even giving them a different name at all is perhaps a result of a complex?

A tricky question, but a great thread!

lenejento

25-09-2007, 10:33 PM

its a funny situation

you find out about the conspiracy, and thus want to coverse with ppl who are interested teh same thing

but when you post on a forum such as this, some ppl show contempt

i take the opposite attitude than this

i think at this point the battle with the enemy IS on a psychic/intellectual level

and posting on forums such as this is directly attacking the enemy's main vista of deception, LIES

going out there and protesting or spreading flyers around downtown about the illuminati only has a certain degreee of affectability

because the casm between the truth of reality and the sheeple's paradigm is SO IMMENSE that one can only wake up only if they themselves have a genuine need in their heart

you cant force enlightenment on somebody who is ready or simply doenst want to wake up

so if some ppl feel that ppl who are posting on a forum are really wanting to have internet friends, i think this gives insight into the state of mind of the person who is makin this accusation

dont get me wrong, there are many ppl who ppost who arent really into the truth and are all about their own internet-EGO

but those ppl become apparent to all after a while

its all about building a good knowledge base of info for those who are waking up to come into forums like this later and make their own judgements

I never said going out protesting and handing out flyers was the way to go about it either, I honestly don't know what would be the best way to go about things, so that's why I'm here. My intuition says though, that we're not meant to spend our time here on earth staring at text on a screen??:confused:

Why don't we just respectfully call them the rest of the people/population??:confused:

razed1

25-09-2007, 10:40 PM

I never said going out protesting and handing out flyers was the way to go about it either, I honestly don't know what would be the best way to go about things, so that's why I'm here. My intuition says though, that we're not meant to spend our time here on earth staring at text on a screen??:confused:

Why don't we just respectfully call them the rest of the people/population??:confused:

wel of course were not meant to

but have ya looked and seen the circumstances we live in???

to find out that the most, MOST, basic beleifs we're taught by society, have always been LIES, from our religious teachings or to the question just what we really are!

we take for granted we have access to the INTERNET where you can look up ANYTHING your mind can conjure up, and get an instant repsonse, this is like having REAL psychic powers

see these illuminati have even given us the ability to foil their plan,

its a part of that contract these ppl have with the "macrobes", like tsarion described

depserate times, call for desperate measures, the future is promised to no one

auron

26-09-2007, 02:09 AM

http://mahopa.de/bilder/funny-forum-pictures/funny-room.jpg

soglad

26-09-2007, 02:24 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

This is true!

:D

28th kingdom

26-09-2007, 02:55 AM

Not only was my last post funny... it was side-splitting... hysterical.

28th kingdom

26-09-2007, 03:00 AM

http://mahopa.de/bilder/funny-forum-pictures/funny-room.jpg

Tell that to tinmen:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=137390#post137390

auron

26-09-2007, 03:11 AM

http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/29351/2004046670637599198_rs.jpg

tinmenace

26-09-2007, 03:45 AM

http://www.globalfailure.com/images/totallywasted.jpg

razed1

29-03-2008, 08:16 PM

interesting thread, with alot of diverging views

my my how things have changed on this forum since then

ill still say that i STILL think that the SHEEPLE should be called SHEEP

cause they dont WANT to break free from their chains

they are happy with this master/slave relationship that goes on

it takes alot of courage to face the "UNKNOWN" , and when you find out that EVERYTHING you have been told is a LIE

either you go back to sleep or you face you biggest fears,

this is why, the sheep will be sheep

quelyn

29-03-2008, 10:41 PM

Humble is good/arrogance is bad,

My "humble" input is that we are all at various stages of knowledge. Be kind to those way ahead in information but supportive to those taking their first steps. Let's get this wagon train in a circle friends!

Good post

synergy777

29-03-2008, 10:49 PM

http://www.researchersoftruth.org/StoaLessons.htm

MASTERING THE MIND

(The Essenes and the One Spirit-God)

Lecture given by Daskalos on 16 OCTOBER 1989 Nicosia Cyprus

Our Father, Thou art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy Name, Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our transgressions as we forgive those who are transgressing against us. Lead us while being in temptation and deliver us from evil, for Thine is the Kingdom and the Power and the Glory, forever.

Absolute Infinite Beingness, God. Everlasting Life, Love and Mercy. Manifesting Yourself in Yourself as Your Total Wisdom and Your Almightiness in Your Omnipresence, enlighten our minds to understand You as the Truth. Clean our hearts to reflect Your Love towards You and towards all other human beings. Amen.

The Enlightened Ones for centuries taught the humanity what our most beloved Lord Joshua Emmanuel, the Godman, had confirmed. Confirmed - how? By just saying, speaking and preaching? And in this way too, but mainly by His examples and His works in wonders and miracles, proving to us that our material body and our other bodies, the so-called psychical and noetical bodies, are not our real Self, but that we are the off springs of Allaha (as Jesus used to call God), gods. That's the Reality. What He taught them, the intelligences will give us the lesson today.

Now, what we believe is that the Absolute Infinite Reality is the Absolute Infinite Be-ness, and Beingness, we call God. What we know as characteristics of this Absolute Beingness now, is that apart from its Self-Sufficiency in Him there is the Will/Pleasure of manifesting Itself in Itself. How do we know that? By just examining, learning, studying the phenomena of life in which we can see the Total Wisdom and Its Almightiness of this Infinite Beingness, and Its great Love to all of Its creation and to us human beings. What is the Absolute Be-ness, God the Father, nobody can know - as a human being.

Joshua Emmanuel the Christ, the God-man, was preaching all this to His disciple-healers. He didn't have only 12 disciples, He had thousands of Israelites and Essenes teaching them healing and preaching them the Reality. Talking about His Father and our Father, Joshua Emmanuel the Godman, used to call Him "Allaha".

Now, what you call Jesus, He and His family and most of His disciples were Essenes, they were not Jews. What were the Essenes? The Essenes appear in Egypt as descendants of the worshippers, Israelites and Greeks (in Egypt), believing in Aton, the one Spirit-God which the pharaoh Ankhenaton, breaking the idols, declared as the real God. For centuries there was a fight between the old religion of the gods, the idols, and the one God, the Spirit-God, the God of the heavens and of the earth.

So, we find the Essenes in Egypt. They included the Greek-speaking Israelites who remained in Egypt and also the Egyptians. The language the Essenes were speaking was Greek and Aramaic. The Aramaic language came from the Egyptian language. So, these Essenes were in Egypt, but also in Palestine, in Cyprus, in Asia Minor and in Mesopotamia. They existed worshipping the one God the Father, the benevolent Father.

At that time they had three religions. The Greek idolaters worshipping idols, false gods, the Greeks and Romans. Then we have the Essenes believing in a God, calling him in Greek "Theos" and in Aramaic "Allaha". They believed in a God the Father in Spirit, the merciful, loving God. And the Israelites who were worshipping and believing in one Spirit-God also, but a God of vengeance. The difference between the Essenes and the Israelites was that the Essenes believed in Allaha, a benevolent Father, while the Israelites believed in a powerful vengeful God, who was claiming blood sacrifices.

They both believed in one and the same Allaha, but, while the Essenes were considering the Israelites their brothers, the Israelites were considering the Essenes heretics. Why? Because they made reforms - no blood sacrifices. Not the God of Moses who in the old times was even claiming human sacrifices. You may find it in the Old Testament. Ibrahim or Abraham had to sacrifice Ishak or Isaac. Then later, another biblical personality had to sacrifice his only daughter by burning. Reading the Old Testament you may find such cases. So, there was a great difference between the Allaha of the Essenes and the Allaha of the Israelites.

Now, though the Essenes were loving the Israelites, the Israelites were considering them heretics. They were killing them by stoning and, as they have done to Joshua Emmanuel the Christ, by crucifying them. Of course, this crucifixion of the Godman created, after a certain time, the claim that Joshua Emmanuel the Christ was a man who lost his powers, treating the crucifixion as the weakness of a human being. Even Caiaphas was provoking Him in front of the guards. He heard all, he acknowledged the miracles that Joshua was doing, and he was not helping himself at that time. But, for the Essenes it was not the weakness of a human being, of the Son of Man, it was the triumph of the Godman.

If you read the New Testament you'll find in many cases that He spoke about His crucifixion. In one case, when Petros asked Him, "Why do you not go to Syria not to be in the power of the Jews, of the Sanhedrin?", He said, "It is for this hour that I have come, to prove that what I am teaching is true. The material body is not me. Your material body is not you. Don't be afraid of those who can kill your material body, they can do nothing to your Soul Ego-Self. Here is this body. They'll crucify it." They wounded His body very badly as he had foreseen and foretold. "In three days I will heal it and raise it up". Which he did. So, he had proved practically the truth of His saying and He remained with His disciples and those believing in Him for another fifty days, showing the signs from the wounds on the legs and eating with them. "Here is my material body. They have crucified it, but that is not myself."

Do the Christians nowadays know the truth about that great, very great lesson given to the human beings? Did He not value His material body in claiming its right value? He had called the material body the temple of God. A great honor, for God the Father is in your body (also) and in your personality as your Ego-Self, as your Soul. So, He had preached the whole Truth.

I'll give a lesson which He gave to his disciple-healers, both Israelites and Essenes. He said, "My most beloved ones, offsprings of Allaha, of our heavenly Father." He was preaching in Greek for the Essenes and in Aramaic for the Israelites at the same time, saying "Tekhnateu", God in the Heavens in Greek, and in Aramaic, "Ben ai Allaha abri batishmaya". He said, "God the Father had sent you as Spirit-Soul Egos, part of your real Self, as a ray of light, to live as human beings. And an egofied Metathrone became your Guardian Archangel." Everyone of you, all of us, have a Guardian Archangel. This we should have in mind. And then, "Allaha, expressing and manifesting Its Will/Pleasure to create a human being, said to the Holy Archangels of the Elements, to the seven orders of the Archangels, 'Let us create man,'" Create? So, the human being is a creature, but, with a particularity now, "'to our image and according to our likeness.'" - being God himself.

And so, these Holy Archangels co-vibrated the Will/Pleasure of God and created the human being. I repeat, "to the image and according to the likeness of Allaha" - not less. And what did the Godman gave us as an instruction and a persuasion? "Be ye perfect as perfect is your Heavenly Father." Very enlightening words.

Now, God said to the Holy Archangels, "Materialize the human form", by using the Mind vitality, as matter, as ether, as substance, as Super substance, and another three divine states, creating the material body of man, its etheric double, the psychical body or the emotional body, with its etheric double, the noetical body with its etheric double. These five bodies are mortal. They are changing all the time in the Worlds of Existence. But, the other two are imperishable, it is our Spirit Ego body, with its etheric double. Our Soul Self.

So, a human being is a Spirit Ego-Self, but he or she is also a Soul Ego-Self, God again, immortal, never changing. What's the difference between the Spirit Ego-Self and the Soul Ego-Self? I'll give an example, but a very poor one since we cannot have any better. Say we have a window, without anything on it. The Sun rays are coming, passing through the window, and leaving the shape of the window on the floor. The light of the Sun coming to the window is the same as the light passing through the window. There is nothing on the window to change it. Yet, the light from the window to the floor is getting the form of the window now. The light from the Sun to the window is our Spirit Ego-Self, God. The light from the window to the floor is our Soul Ego-Self. And the light on the floor? Our personality self. The personality self is always changing.

The law governing the Worlds of Existence (the noetical world, our noetical body, the psychical worlds, our so-called psychical body, the etheric doubles and the material body) are dual. This is the law of the Worlds of Existence. Continuously changing, it is giving us the sense of death, because our material body will not continue for a long time. But, our material body is dying every day and is regenerated, as our human body. The material body began from the spermatozoa, a baby in the belly of our mother, a girl or a boy, growing, growing, growing, to an adult, to a young man or a young woman, a middle aged man or woman, then to an old man or an old woman. We just have to go along the way of our human possibilities. To go that way is our possibility. We have to go through it. And so, St Paul said, "Every day I am dying." And every day the Holy Archangels of the Elements are regenerating us. What does the orthodox science say today? That nothing remains in a material body - in every seven years everything is changed till the material body gets old. But, our material body is not our Self, it is not even our personality self.

I said in many lessons, as matter and substance the material bodies of all human beings are the same. Studying the body of a woman or the body of a man, I know what is the body of every woman and every man. And if the personality of a human being was the product of the material body, all women and all men would be the same and this is not so. I said, studying the bodies of a man or of a woman, you know the bodies of every man and every woman, but each man and each woman have a different personality, are expressing in the phenomena of life a different self.

Is that time-and-place self, our personality, our real Self? Yes and no. What is in our personal self is changing all the time, our emotions, our desires, our weaknesses, and our thoughts. Unceasingly changing. And that is not our real Self. All that is composing our personality's egoism, because the egoism (and the personality) is the sum-total of elementals we are making, and these elementals are not ourselves. In order to live, this personal self is in need of our real Self, which is in it.

How can we distinguish between our Self and that which is not our Self, to know who and what we are? In our system for the Research of the Truth we give certain exercises: introspection, looking within, and using the Mind vitality in the proper way, exercising our divine nature which is observation and will power. Is there no will power in the personality of a man? No! The personality of a man is showing his obstinacy and stupidity only, not the divine will power. No one, using the obstinacy of his personality, can do anything. Yet, the Godman, using His divine will power, could materialize the Mind vitality into fish and bread and feed five thousand men (women and children not counted). On another occasion He fed four thousand. These two cases are in the Bible, in the New Testament. And I am telling you that He had done that many, many times. This is the will power, the divine will power. It has nothing to do with human obstinacy.

Now, somebody may say, "We have this human obstinacy, but don't we have the will power also?" We as a personality? No! When you unfold your Ego-Self, your Soul Ego-Self you can express and manifest this will power, which is the characteristic of your Spirit-Soul Ego-Self. Can we do what Joshua Emmanuel the Christ had done? What did He say? "Yes, He who believes in me, in what I am teaching, can do what I am doing and even greater things than what I am doing," because - all of us are the offspring of God, of His Father and our Father.

Coming again to what Joshua Emmanuel the Christ said to His disciples and healers. Some of you hearing the word Allaha don't like it. But that is wrong. Why? Because the word Allaha in the Old Egyptian and in the Aramaic language is a whole sentence. Al means God, la means the Will/Pleasure of God, and kha means the Divine Plan and God's Will/Pleasure. In what language can you find all those meanings in just one word? So, the Essenes were calling God Theos or Allaha. Now, Elohim means God in Its Plurality. Why? Why one word, elohim? Because in Its Plurality God is still in Its Oneness. Everything has its own meaning.

Now Joshua said, that God or Allaha is Life - the Inextinguishable Light. But what's Light? That is not what we see with these two balls full of water, our eyes. It's much, much, much more. So, He spoke about Life-Light, and He said that all the seven heavens or the Worlds of Existence had been created by the Holy Archangels of the Elements (I said all the Worlds of Existence and what is in them) by the Mind vitality, Life-Light. And He said that this Inextinguishable divine Life-Light has a luminosity of various degrees of brightness. And each variety of this luminosity-brightness gives us one of the seven Worlds of Existence.

One variety of this luminosity-brightness is giving us the vegetable kingdom, with all its beauty, trees and flowers. Another variety of luminosity-brightness (Life), is giving us the animal kingdom, rich in the phenomena of life. Yet another variety of this Light, luminosity-brightness, is giving us other things in nature, the ethereal and the psychical worlds, and then another, giving us the noetical world and whatever is in it. So, this variety of luminosity of Life-Light is giving us the seven heavens.

Now, we have spoken about matter and we talked about the vegetable kingdom, the different varieties of luminosity of Light, we spoke about the animal kingdom, again another degree of luminosity of Light, about things in the ethereal and in the psychical kingdoms, and in the noetical world. What about the human beings now? What kind of Life-Light is in a human being? He said, "I say to you, you are Gods. All of you are sons of the Almighty," and, "the kingdom of the heavens is in you," in your Spirit-Soul Ego-Self. That's why we are gods.

This is a great, great theory, yet, Joshua Emmanuel the Christ, the Godman, gave it practically. "You are now my disciples, my healers and you should know that all the degrees of brightnesses, of luminosity, are manifested in you in what we call consciousness." He spoke about sensitivity and sensibility, in the material things - they are sensitive to cold and to light. We have the sensitivity and the sensibility, in our bodies, in our muscles. He spoke about our subconsciousness. And in-between the sensitivity and the sensibility and our subconsciousness He spoke about the instinct.

So, we have the sensitivity and the sensibility in matter and in the vegetable kingdom. And He spoke about the subconsciousness. Now, the animal kingdom has the instinct and something we cannot say is even the subconsciousness. The human beings have the subconsciousness and I am telling you that ninety percent of the human beings living on the planet today are living subconsciously. Yet, there is the waking conscious-ness. How many are expressing this waking consciousness and know what they are doing? How many? Very few. Joshua Emmanuel showed us the way to unfold this waking consciousness in us and reach the self-consciousness. (Concerning our personality-self we have the false luminosity and brightness.) We have to unfold in us our real Self, which means the real self-consciousness. And He said that we should develop, unfold in us, the Self-Superconsciousness. How?

Yes, Allaha, God the Father, has given the five senses to our body, to us. These five senses are giving the awareness, taking in us the presentations from what the Holy Archangels have created around us, the material world, though - we are living in this material world instinctively and subconsciously. Apart from these five senses, do we have other senses? Seeing but not with these two little balls full of water which are our eyes? To put it more plain, can we expand our self-consciousness in space? He was doing it, and He even taught Philipos. Some of the listeners today know about this spirit-power, call it out-of-the-material-body experience or exosomatosis (a Greek word). When He was in Jerusalem, Philipos and Nathanael, His first cousin, were in Bethsaida, where their home was. And Philipos said to Nathanael, "We found the Meshaha," the Messiah, and so they Went to Jerushalaim. There, Joshua said to Philipos, "When you were under the fig tree with Nathanael I have seen you and I have heard you," though, many kilometers far away. Which means expansion, extension of self-consciousness in place-space.

He taught that to Philipos and to the other disciples also. Only that? Reading the actions of the apostles you read that Philipos, while being in Jerusalem, had left his material body there, materialized a body many kilometers far away from Jerusalem, under the border with Egypt, and sat near the carriage of the bodyguard of the Queen of Sheba, who was reading the chapter of Isaiah from the Old Testament. He materialized himself by the side of the Queen's bodyguard and then, self-consciously, asked him, "Do you understand what you are reading?" Just think of that Negro Ethiopian seeing a human being materialized near him on his cart. He answered Philipos, "How can I understand, master, without somebody explaining it to me?" Then Philipos spoke to him about Joshua Emmanuel the Christ and told him that to save himself he should be baptized in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. (This is what the master had instructed us.) And then, Philipos came down from the cart, baptized the Ethiopian in the nearby water, and dematerialized his body.

This means, we have to unfold, what I call, the Superconsciousness in our personal self in order to enter the fifth heaven. And then, what more? Expanding yourself and concentrating self-consciously, to be able to see and know, not by learning now, but by at-one-ment with what is there. Can you imagine what kind of self-consciousness is that? Let us call it Self-Superconsciousness. This means that in this heaven you have to be able to know things by attunement. What's attunement? Being in the Worlds of Existence, properly co-vibrating yet being two.

What are the next two heavens of our Spirit-Soul Ego-Self? What did Joshua Emmanuel the Christ say? "You must unfold your real Self to enter the state of the divine Oneness, by oneness or attunement, But, this state is not mundane or worldly. It's divine, which means, you have returned back home. Yes."

Have human beings since Joshua Emmanuel the Christ reached this state? Yes, many, but ... There is a burning "but". There are certain Spirit-Soul Egos who can be in at-one-ment with God and with the Godman, but - what is the Will/Pleasure of the Godman, of the beloved One (for me, the most beloved One)? This paradise is not for us. What did he say? "He who wants to follow me should shoulder his cross and follow me."

So, those who reached there, some of them who gave themselves to Him, have come down to the material plane, even in the darkest hell, to serve their brethren, the human beings. Is that sacrifice? No! Because, even in the darkest hell there is Light. They are not far away from Him, because, they are self-consciously in the Omnipresence of the Father. Everything is in God the Father. Can you do that? Can you unfold within yourself this kind of self-consciousness? Yes, why not - all of you are offsprings of God.

So, human beings are living subconsciously now. But, whether we want it or not, according to the parable of the Prodigal Son, sooner or later we have to be back home, to our divine nature as Spirit-Soul Ego-Selves, and - we have to work on it. How? God has given us a perfect human body, built up and sustained by the Holy Archangels of the Elements. Yet, you know very little about that material body unless you open a book of anatomy. That body is under the supervision of the Holy Archangels of the Elements. A ray of our Spirit-Soul Ego-Self created our time-and-place mortal self and we have been given the psychical substance and the noetical substance and Super substance, the Mind vitality. What have we done with that? Unbridled desires, unbridled and uncontrolled emotions, making dirty what you call love with that stupid expression of what you call life, having in it fighting, jealousies and all that. We have made a great misuse of this Mind substance by creating bad elementals, human demons composing our personality. Yet, the heart, the pulse of Life of our personality, is our Soul Being. Now, we have been given the Mind vitality as thought to work with it, to reach understanding, knowing and wisdom, but - what have we done with it? We have made the thought a slave of unbridled emotions.

So, it's our duty to do what? To try to make a proper psychical body and unfold our self-consciousness in it. But first of all, we have to unfold our self-consciousness on the material plane in the material body and to form our noetical body, control our thoughts, become masters of our thoughts. Now, by unfolding more of our Soul self-consciousness, manifesting our divine power we call attunement, unfolding our Self-Superconsciousness in at-one-ment with the divine - what do we find? That we are all gods, sons of the Almighty.

We have the means of knowing the truth and there is no excuse. We have it in our nature - observation and the capacity for knowing. A human being is not an animal. Every human being is a Spirit-Soul Being, a God.

I get from the minds of some of you, "Do I have to sacrifice my personality? It's painful but I like it." You are going to lose nothing, because every incarnation with the virtues and the vices, with the good actions and the wickedness, that total collection of the elementals, is living, is a living form. Behind you, in all your past lives, nothing is lost. There is a living total of all your experiences (elementals) in the Cosmic Memory. Living? Of course, because it is made of the Mind vitality.

And when you reach that state of "Be ye perfect as perfect is your Heavenly Father," you will see that in every incarnation you have written, say, a book. You have it in the Cosmic Memory like in a library on its shelves. You are like a writer who is writing books. Who is preventing you to get a volume and go through it again? And reading it, you can enjoy what is enjoyable and what is painful, by the grace of God now, it will not affect you any more, because - you have got rid of those vices.

So, when you reach perfection, you are not going to lose anything. You are not going to lose your Present-Day Personality that is so precious to you now. You will find, inside you, all the volumes you have written in all your past incarnations. In perfection you are gaining, not losing. You are gaining, because, nothing made of the Mind vitality, no thoughts, no emotions, no desires are lost.

When you reach the attunement, you can attune yourself to any one of your incarnations. Can we, by at-one-ment, enter into that living total elemental of our past personality? If you wish to, you can. But, why would you? Is not the attunement seeing and knowing? Anyhow, it's nothing that I wish to do myself. Attunement is worthwhile with Joshua Emmanuel the Christ and with God and not with past elementals. And then, you can use the at-one-ment for God and the attunement for anything you like. But, you can never do that unless you reach the highest level of Self-Superconsciousness. You can do it. You can become the master of visualization, in introspection, and of the right meditation, manifesting your divine state of observation. The Mind vitality is given to you as your daily bread. Use it properly to feed yourself and to make your psychical and noetical body, just as you are making with it (by eating and drinking) your material body. And Joshua Emmanuel said that it is not only with bread that a man should be fed, but with the Mind vitality from our Heavenly Father. Who is where? Everywhere and inside your Spirit-Soul Ego-Self. So, stop living as the animal life around you. The Seekers of the Truth should live as human beings, as Archangels, and as gods.

Now, we'll make an exercise.

I'll use the English words for that which Joshua Emmanuel the Christ, our beloved master, said in Greek and in Aramaic.

Relax completely. The body is yours, but not you. The Holy Archangels and the Holy Spirit are sustaining it now and they give you the right to use it as your own. It is your own. It is the temple of God, of God and your Self Being. Make this temple of God a congregation of angelic elementals. Take away from this temple all human demons as evil elementals, jealousy, evil behavior, weaknesses, unbridled desires and emotions. Keep as a congregation in the temple of this body the human angels, good elementals. Create good elementals in the light of love. In every temple there is the holy of the hollies. Make your heart the holy of the hollies of God. In the holy of the hollies, there is also the altar. Make it in your heart. The Inextinguishable Light-Life is burning on the altar. The Holy Archangels are living in your heart. You are living too. It is the pulse of Life. Now, light another lamp, your personality's love to God and to all human beings around you, and live with these two flames of light in your love on the altar of your heart - love to God and love to all human beings. Don't allow that flame to flicker. It is a perfect light.

Yeah.

Tomorrow the lesson will be on elementals and how to construct human angels.

truthsupplier

29-03-2008, 11:01 PM

Folding the ever intrusive Ego and placing it into a place of less import.

Acceptance that there are other views of the same subject, than yours, and not all of them can be wrong.

To offer the hand of friendship instead of the pointed finger with implications and names called. To walk one`s talk, as opposed to existing on supposition.

To not only comprehend reciprocity, but to practice and walk that as well.

Mitakuye Oyasin... we are all related.

synergy777

29-03-2008, 11:02 PM

compassion, humility, and unity

razed1

29-03-2008, 11:38 PM

what if all that you face is pure evil

what if ppl are gonna follow orders no matter what,
and those orders are for you and your family EXTERMINATION

what do you do then?

synergy777

30-03-2008, 12:16 AM

i say forgive me and them father, then i shoot to kill, lol

grannymoose

30-03-2008, 12:18 AM

" I mean, you sound as if you think you're superior to the public just because you've read a little bit on conspiracies or you think a little bit, in between puffs on your joint, about the afterlife.
You are no better or worse than any other human being (excluding pedo's and murderers....you know what i mean). So, please can you all stop refering to the public with these derogatory terms as you are basically saying you are better than them. Which doesn't get you on to the path of enlightenment, doesn't help ANYONE spiritually and creates seperatism and divide, which i thought you/we are ALL against."

WE are superior, we are unique it's the very fact we are here in this forum.
we teach each other, we pass on information. You are also superior, you found your way here , left and are back.
Are we better then the public..... right now yes. am i better than the women i stood next to today in the park and watched her pull the ring off a diet coke and give it to her daughter of maybe 7 or 8, YES, would i do that to my child knowing it contains aspartame? NO. so while that women is igronant to look at the ingredients of that coke and find out what each ingredient is then Yes i am better for i looked. I choose to ask questions and read imformation other than whats handed to me on a plate. right now while they are misinformed and in the dark we are better we have the upper hand.
On the murdering side i would like to know what is a murderer. I will would like you to know at this point i have served in the forces, i have been a blind sheep following orders, i have more than 500 kills CONFIRMED. at least 50 of these with a knief, 9 with my bare hands, i am no hero! it was them or me i was confronted with, am i a murderer or was i just doing my job,should i be in prison? should i be beaten and cast aside. where is the line drawn.
People do murder, they are animals, and for some people it's loved ones that go through it. my gran always said to me, "

A pedo, well, at the end of the day there human. sick twisted but still human, they have there ways i have mine like you have yours.
ask a pedo why he did it is like trying to find why a dof licks it's balls as to say. they just do it, i say remove them, cage them there brains are wrong firing on 3 cylinders instead of 4. but even though, i,m still better for the fact i,m asking questions and seeking imformation. I refuse to lay down.

This is forum of free speach and i know there will be peeps that disagree with what i say, we are all different in many ways apart from what bought us here,
We can call them sheep for they are, we call ourselves superior for we are awake.
sorry if affended anybody nothing directed at anbody.

synergy777

30-03-2008, 12:22 AM

i like supreme being clothes.

http://www.supremebeingclothing.co.uk/

the fact is we are all supreme beings, thus all equal anyway, doh, why argue about it.

razed1

30-03-2008, 02:18 AM

i say forgive me and them father, then i shoot to kill, lol

ahh

what if

you didnt need to ask anybody's persmission but yourself's,

just remember the 'grid'

"what goes comes around my nigga
and what goes up, it must come down my nigga
ya soldiers found, below the ground my nigga
just holdin it down, we older now my niggaaaaaaaa"
nas poison - YouTube

synergy777

30-03-2008, 02:22 AM

whats the grid,

ok i would forgive them, as i know the source is all knowing and would understand why i would have to shoot.

right, wheres that koch at lol

razed1

30-03-2008, 02:25 AM

unfortunately one can not be told what is the matrix, one must experience it for himself

synergy777

30-03-2008, 02:26 AM

how do we experience the matrix

in sleep/lucid dreaming? or in non sleep life/awake?

razed1

30-03-2008, 02:34 AM

i dont know about anybody else, but when im sleeping, im sleeping

synergy777

30-03-2008, 02:38 AM

heck when i am sleeping, i am lucid dreaming, my brain does not shut off, i would like to end lucid dreaming, but i do not know how to.

in fact it leaves me mentally tired, i cannot remember a prolonged peroid, say even 2/3 days when i went sleep without lucid dreaming. maybe my brain is mashed, deluded.

i would love to flick the off switch, ever watched the film pi, when he takes a part of his brain out, to stop it from working things out, i feel the same way bro.

razed1

30-03-2008, 02:53 AM

what could be the difference between this world and the dream world

could we just be taking this as real and not the dream?

deepak chopra was explaining this point once

he said just as we reflect back on when we dream, and we think 'huh, the dreamworld, how interesting'

one day we will all wakeup from this 'reality' and think back 'huh, the wakingworld, how interesting!'

synergy777

30-03-2008, 03:07 AM

the dream world is different, time is not linear etc, you get 2/3 dreams.

also i can create/terraform landscapes, will anything i want into existence, i can fly, etc. its like lawnmower man or the holodeck on star trek.