Just taking a moment to introduce myself.

[procyon]

Hello all on the forum.

I have been a David Icke fan for some time. I am 28. From Canada. I myself went through a stage of transformation, and I too have met my ridicule because of what I do and research, and talk about. The paranormal has been a life long obsession of mine, and at the age of 14 I got serious. At least I was understanding what it was to become an honest researcher. I started out very skeptical as I thought everything was rationally a brain malfunction. I did alot of things up until about the age of 24. That is when my world was flipped and flipped and flipped some more. To learn I found out, you had to sometimes be wrong and grow from it. It forced me to be more open minded. After all, the problem with something such as the UFO community is that it is also subject to divide and conquer. If everyone, and I mean everyone, believers, skeptics, government, everyone, the truth would begin to surface and myths put to rest. The truth would force us all together on the same page. Both sides of the coin have some pretty good arguments and points, and evidences, it is just that a certain group wishes to hide things from the public and even elements of their own pyramid. Divide and rule. It is even in the bible that a house divided unto itself shall fall.

Around the age of 20 I began to actively seek local abductees and interview them. I have seen UFO's myself, and so have others in my area. I have kept track of UFO sightings here as part of my research. There have been a number of crop circles as well. I was more interested in the abductee tales and although I personally didn't believe there was much truth to it at the time, I was still an open ear and an unbiased obejective. I thought it was a mental defect of some kind, but after a few years, and meeting many more people, I am not so sure anymore. The trauma can be so strong in an abductee that it really shakes you. I have had a person who doesn't even know me and who is twice my age break down and cry right in front of me. In the research I have done, a grey experience can most often be similar to rape survival. It is extremely difficult for people to even remember the experiences, whether imagined or real, and that is what opened my mind up alot more. I could tell many tales to re inforce what I say, but I just want to give you all a rough idea of who I am and what I do.

I play many musical instruments. Music is a universal language. It is also a form of magick if you understand mind control and sound. Some black magicians have become very big rock stars. Some rock stars perform at the Bohemian Grove as well. Music=Dance. It is that simple. You can find a diagram in the Gospel of Mary Magdalene. I have a vast library and I study gnostic texts, and ancient literatures. I try to never stop taking in new information. Good old fashioned detective work and elbow grease filters the BS and disinfo. Also working with others. Co operation is key to solving any mystery. Just look at what linkage blindness can do to the police trying to solve a mystery.

My research really kicked in to gear 4 years ago, in which I began aquiring my own paranormal evidence and doing more field work. My research led to me into UFO's and expanding my research further in that area, and throughout the years I came to a conclusion that was quite similar to Icke. I also noticed how badly people spoke of him. Eventually I started looking at his findings and research and my own, just to see if he was as crazy as everyone claimed. He was definately on to something. And to understand the paranormal and ET and all that you have to have a strong understanding of how reality works, and he was spot on for that. It is about time he had an offical forum.

Anyways, feel free to share your ideas and thoughts with me. Of course I extend my services to any and all that may need them. Also if any other researchers are here, I would love to swap info. :)
I went to a hardcore Catholic school that was ran by a nun for 10 years.

Birth of the Crusades 300
Birth of the Skull and Bones Order of Death 322
Birth of the NWO/Council of Nycea 325
He who is ignorant of the past is doomed to repeat it. He who erases the past is able to write the futue.

Alot of people wonder what the 322 is supposed to mean. I thought it was pretty obvious.

[thirdwave]

hi there dude, welcome aboard :D

[limelady]

Glad to have you here!
Sounds like you are on a quest for truth like many others here.


Lime :)

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Welcome to the forums. :)

We have coffee and cake on the table to the right. And fridays are "casual day", so make sure to look lazy :)

A quick memo:
Make sure you wash your hands before touching the keys. O_O

[neondestiny]

Hi Procyon,
I am new here too, but am very interested in your research.
I have had experiences throughout my life that I am trying to understand a little better.
Looking forward to speaking with you on these topics
Cheers
Neon

[geo2]

u sure picked a lovely day 2/14 2show up on 2this new-forum of sharing.....LOLove



the BEST is-always-coming

[procyon]

Thanks for the warm welcome. I hope to have some good conversations and meet some good people. And yes, anyone who wishes to speak to me candidly about abductions feel free to do so. If you think what you say to me is too crazy, try me. I have heard some wild things. Also, there are perfectly natural things that can be misunderstood as abductions. I have had my fair share of that as well.

[tonto o_reilly]

WELCOME :)
great to have you on board

[jimijams]

Hi Procyon, sounds like your doing some interesting and worthwhile research.

In regard to your alien abduction research, have you read Graham Hancock's Supernatural? He puts forward some extremely interesting hypothesis's in regard to this.

If you haven't or for those who haven't let me give you a brief synopsis.

Aliens, reptillians, greys, demons whatever you prefer to call them do indeed exist, only not in solid form as most believe, but rather as inter-dimensional etheric beings. I myself and many others have seen these beings through either transcendental meditation techniques or through the use of substances such as DMT, psilocybin(mushrooms)or other teacher plants.

DMT in particular is produced naturally by the brain in the pineal gland. Graham Hancocks theory is, and he has interviewed many abductees in his research, that a small section of the population, about two percent if I remember correctly have an overactive pineal gland that sends them in to a spontaneous psychedelic state by an over production of DMT, now hear me out there's more.

He has correlated the experiences of alien abductees along with scientific studies of DMT use such as Dr. Rick Strassmens book 'The spirit molecule' and also his own experimentation with Ayahuasca, pure DMT and psilocybin. Almost identical experiences are reported amongst all of these cases of being experimented on, medical operations and also sexual encounters for breeding with these beings and much more.

I personally on one occasion on DMT had two long needles inserted up inside me through my groin, when I say long these needles were I believe a couple of feet long and golden in color.:eek:

This is quite a brief and simplified summary and I suggest you read the book if you want to go in to it in more detail, I recommend you do if this is your field of study.

I have had my own experiences with DMT and I can vouch for the fact that these realms do indeed exist. We do need a better understanding of these realms and beings if we are to correctly understand the true nature of reality.

[limelady]

DMT in particular is produced naturally by the brain in the pineal gland. Graham Hancocks theory is, and he has interviewed many abductees in his research, that a small section of the population, about two percent if I remember correctly have an overactive pineal gland that occasionally sends them in to a psychedelic state by an over production of DMT, now hear me out there's more.

He has correlated the experiences of alien abductees along with scientific studies of DMT use such as Dr. Rick Strassmens book 'The spirit molecule' and also his own experimentation with Ayahuasca, pure DMT and psilocybin. Almost identical experiences are reported amongst all of these cases of being experimented on, medical operations and also sexual encounters for breeding with these beings and much more.

I personally on one occasion on DMT had two long needles inserted up inside me through my groin, when I say long these needles were I believe a couple of feet long and golden in color.

Could we be talking about the Jinn?

http://www.thejinn.net/

[jimijams]

Could we be talking about the Jinn?

http://www.thejinn.net/
That is the first of heard of the Jinn Limelady, but that is exactly what I believe them to be. The form they take confirms to our beliefs at the time.

If you look at the first UFO sightings reported in the nineteenth century they were of flying balloons and such that fitted with their belief system at the time. Also in Grahams book he talks about fairies and goblins that were reported in the middle ages, very similar to the alien phenomena only confirming with their beliefs at the time.

I wholeheartedly believe this to be true and will have to look in to these Jinns further. Thanks for the link.

[jimijams]

I also believe to term alien to be misleading as they have always been here and are just as much part of nature as the birds and the bees.
If you imagine the fish swimming in the ocean, are they aware of the Albatross flying above them in search of prey?

[limelady]

Yes.

Vallee came to a similar conclusion in his Passport to Magonia: From Folklore to Flying Saucers book.
Jacques Vallée - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But for some reason I've never felt entirely comfortable with some of Vallee's claims....probably because of his associations with big business.

http://www.jacquesvallee.net/

But them people are allowed to make a living, so this may just be my suspicious mind working over-time!

[jimijams]

Yes.

Vallee came to a similar conclusion in his Passport to Magonia: From Folklore to Flying Saucers book.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vallee

But for some reason I've never felt entirely comfortable with some of Vallee's claims....probably because of his associations with big business.

http://www.jacquesvallee.net/

But them people are allowed to make a living, so this may just be my suspicious mind working over-time!
I'll check it out, thanks.

[procyon]

Hey Jim. Yes I have heard of Hancock. I have quite a few of his books. I also have a colleague who does alot of research into DMT, Salvia, Shrooms, LSD, and all sorts of stuff. He is deep into that research and he has some interesting finds for sure. Although there are definately ties and similarities our research has shown that there are major differences as well. We compare notes all the time. He gets a bad rap for doing his research, but I think it is very valid field of research, and it does hold alot of answers. I myself have gotten the Icke treatment and get ridiculed often but whatever. If you are selective to the information you receive, you are gonna miss some important things.

A woman contacted me. She thought she was having abduction experiences. Long story short, she has ultrasound of twins. After such an experience one night, she woke up with a horrible feeling. She felt something missing. The next day her baffled doctor was speechless as he looked at the new ultrasound showing one baby. His conclusion was that although very strange, the baby is what he terms a vanishing baby. And she had no bleeding or signs of miscarriage either. That was a baffling point for the doctor as well, as he was unable to find a reason for the disappearance. She had no trauma or signs of anything abnormal. The experience upset her to say the least and it was a brief vague memory of little bug eyed grey guys working on her that prompted her to talk to someone. Once she opened up, and we got into her past we found out alot more but that is a whole nother story.

[jimijams]

A woman contacted me. She thought she was having abduction experiences. Long story short, she has ultrasound of twins. After such an experience one night, she woke up with a horrible feeling. She felt something missing. The next day her baffled doctor was speechless as he looked at the new ultrasound showing one baby. His conclusion was that although very strange, the baby is what he terms a vanishing baby. And she had no bleeding or signs of miscarriage either.
Yeah I've heard of that happening too. Apparently this happens in one out of eight pregnancies, it's called twin embolisation syndrome.
Vanishing twin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not sure if this is what happened to your friend, but it is very common though.

[warrior]

Have you ever spoken to anyone who claimed to have actually witnessed a shape-shifting reptile?

[procyon]

Thanks for the link Jim. Seems they are sitting on the fence as well. Alot of guesswork but like the top says,
This article or section is in need of attention from an expert on the subject.

The girl I was speaking about has had a lot of kids and is very fertile. I also know many women who have been pregnant and none have ever had this happen to them. While I don't doubt there could be a rational explaination, given the background info and other things that happened to her, there was something really unnatural about it. Like I said it is a whole nother story. ANd it is a long story too. Her children who know nothing of Mom's experiences also tell her of their own experiences and such. Like I said I am sure there are natural reasons for this kind of thing to occur, but I feel there are also other factors as well. I did argue the point that it does happen to some people to her, but when you add in the many factors it sends a chill down your spine.

To the person who asked about reptilians. Yes. I was startled to find a large number that claim to have been taken by lizard people or reptilians. It is very difficult getting these people to talk. Some have had lifelong ongoing encounters with them. One person didn't mind them, the rest were terrified and after much soul searching would usually decide to talk to me and at least get it all off their chest. Oddly enough they all hope I am going to tell them are crazy. Sadly I find some of them are anything but crazy. A good chunk of these reptilian abductees recall a rape scenario. The trauma from that often seals their lips. After all what is nuttier than being raped by a 9 foot tall reptile? Another thing I have noted is that there is a stark contrast between Reptilian encounters, grey encounters, and humanoid encounters. I have yet to interview or speak to someone who claims to be a MILAB though.

[unicorn]

Hi Procyon,
Your research sounds great. Have you read the works of Bruce Cathie? He's in NZ & his research is awesome, linking in with the Earth energy grid system, alien sightings (numerous in NZ) on the grid lines, &, not so pleasant, government masts also on the lines (no one's talking on this one though...)
He was a pilot who came out & spoke about the many UFO sightings that they all see, but never speak of for fear of judgement. Aho Bruce Cathie! Isn't it amazing how many people have had these extraordinary experiences but won't talk to most people about them... keeping this world of illusion real? Just pants... Thank heavens it's all changing!

:)

[limelady]

Hi Procyon,
Your research sounds great. Have you read the works of Bruce Cathie? He's in NZ & his research is awesome, linking in with the Earth energy grid system, alien sightings (numerous in NZ) on the grid lines, &, not so pleasant, government masts also on the lines (no one's talking on this one though...)
He was a pilot who came out & spoke about the many UFO sightings that they all see, but never speak of for fear of judgement. Aho Bruce Cathie! Isn't it amazing how many people have had these extraordinary experiences but won't talk to most people about them... keeping this world of illusion real? Just pants... Thank heavens it's all changing!

:)

The work of Bruce Cathie is indeed fascinating. My friend James Colmer has written a movie script about Cathie's life, and the 30 millinion dollar movie production called ANTIGRAVITY is currently in filming. Its a dramatisation of Cathie's discovery and life. If you'd like to know more about this movie here is a link:

http://www.antigravitymovie.com

[procyon]

Thanks. I will check the links. Never heard of him before.

[neondestiny]

A woman contacted me. She thought she was having abduction experiences. Long story short, she has ultrasound of twins. After such an experience one night, she woke up with a horrible feeling. She felt something missing. The next day her baffled doctor was speechless as he looked at the new ultrasound showing one baby. His conclusion was that although very strange, the baby is what he terms a vanishing baby. And she had no bleeding or signs of miscarriage either. That was a baffling point for the doctor as well, as he was unable to find a reason for the disappearance. She had no trauma or signs of anything abnormal. The experience upset her to say the least and it was a brief vague memory of little bug eyed grey guys working on her that prompted her to talk to someone. Once she opened up, and we got into her past we found out alot more but that is a whole nother story.

I have had the same scenario happen "vanishing baby" I have had several m/c's 1 out of the last 3 there was no feotus,(that the Dr told me) I had indeed been pregnant though, the Dr's although shocked at the ultrasound finding gave me the explanation that the baby just dissolved, but it never really sat right with me.
(I was also having contact at the time with the "other thing/s")
I remember going to sleep cuddling my bump that night, astrally saw 2 beings at the end of my bed, was given the impression one was female and the other was Tao male refer to have you seen a reptilian then? thread) The next morning I had light spotting went to the hospital and that was the finding no baby. (I was about 12 weeks pregnant at the time)
My experiences tend to happen more on an astral plane although I have had some physical things happen.
Also yesterday I came across some info about aboriginal women here in oz talked about having spirit children to a spirit called the feather foot, so they were having similiar experiences way back then too.
http://www.theozfiles.com/history_australian_ufo_history.html
in particular under this heading
Tales Of "Feather Foot" And Phantom Pregnancies

[neondestiny]

Ok this is going to sound even more weird (Yes I can see you all moving your chairs to the other side of the room now lol)
Procyon, in your research have you come across any stories about a giant mechanical spider? Giant as in about as tall as a 5 storey apartment block, made of what looks like a phosphourus (glow in the dark green metallic substance) it's movements are abnormal to this reality too eg our elbow only has a certain radial movement, but this thing has a different radial movement (that is the only way I can describe it)
Tao during one visit took me to see this thing, it was pitch black apart from the spider and felt like we were way below the ocean, waaaaaay below.
(this felt like it was an astral experience)
The same night this happened, my hubby, my youngest daughter and myself were asleep in the one bed. Hubby to my right, my youngest daughter to my left.
I remember going to sleep between them, then woke up walking back through our bedroom door, to be in that position I would have had to have waken hubby or little miss up.(both are light sleepers)
I still to this day do not know how I got to be walking back through the door, I have never experienced sleep walking before or after that experience, so am still clueless as to why it happened.

[procyon]

(I was about 12 weeks pregnant at the time)

3 months seems to be very significant. All I have talked who had this happen had it happen on or axactly three months after conception. In terms of a breeding program this is significant. In terms of the dissolving fetuses, this could also be significant. Either way, something happens at that 3 month point and I am interested to know exactly what it is. Sad thing is that this whole abduction area has been laughingly and nervously avoided. I think it is more important and holds bigger keys to life and reality than most would like to admit. Whether they be ET or totally natural but misunderstood things.

Procyon, in your research have you come across any stories about a giant mechanical spider? Giant as in about as tall as a 5 storey apartment block, made of what looks like a phosphourus (glow in the dark green metallic substance) it's movements are abnormal to this reality too eg our elbow only has a certain radial movement, but this thing has a different radial movement (that is the only way I can describe it)

Insectoid beings, but not what you described. I thought the area I lived in was predominantly grey activity, but I found out that there is a heck of a lot more reptilian activity than I first thought there would be. I know of some who have seen all three in one encounter, insectoid (Mantis being wearing a cloak or hooded garb) , grey (large, est. 7-8 feet tall) , reptilian (again wearing a cloak or hooded garb as well) . All beings were generally the same height but the mantis and reptilian were seen as being a bit taller. This incident scared the hell out of the abductee as he was taken from his living room while consciously watching tv. His dogs wouldn't come in the room, and were behaving in such a way that he was ready to call the police or vet. After somewhat calming his dog, he still couldn't get it or the younger dog to come back into the living room. When he sat back down on the couch he caught sight of movement outside the window. He focused and watched getting pretty spooked as he thought there might be an intruder lurking outside. He then saw a grey peek through the window at him. He recalls this incident with awesome clarity. The details are sharp.

He then, before he could get to a phone, found himself paralyzed in an upright position. The grey then came through the wall at him, and the next thing he knew he woke up on a table of some sort surrounded by the three beings looking down at him. I am still trying to get him to tell me more about what transpired during the time he was surrounded by all three, but getting him to go into detail about how it all kicked off was really difficult. He has such a clear memory of it all, that he is extremely uncomfortable talking about it. It is rather disturbing but I told him to take his time and when he is ready to talk more I will listen. There was a hand print left on the window. He used it to try to back up his story, but most of his family remained somewhat skeptical. After their initial reaction, he decided to keep silent about it. Then I met him and got him talk a little about it.

[limelady]

Procyon, about this "vanishing baby" business, on an interview here http://www.rinf.com/articles/david-icke-interview.html David Icke had this to say.........

I spent two weeks recently with the Zulu shaman, Credo Mutwa, in South Africa and he told me of the countless times he hears this same basic story from African women who become pregnant through the 'Chitauri' - the 'Children of the Serpent'. They suffer terribly because people don't believe they became pregnant from a reptilian entity that appeared to them, they say they cheated on their husbands. Then, after about three months, they wake up to find the child has gone from them.

I thought this may be of some interest to you.

Lime

[neondestiny]

Thanks Procyn, (feeling more at ease that I may not be alone :) )
I don't know if this is significant in regards to the 3 month thing but by the 3rd month the sexual organs have started to develop, but has still not quite determined the sex of the baby.
My Dr's (specialists mind you) can give me no real explanation as to the vanishing baby (the other m/cs may have been the same) the last one was the only time the ultrasound guy said anything to me, he had this really puzzled expression on his face at the time when he told me it was not there.
He asked me questions like could I have the dates wrong etc, the dates were right as it was a planned and much wanted baby.
Tao is very tall I would say at least 7-8ft the height of an american basketballer is usually the feeling I get (I am a shorty)
I have also seen mantis creatures, but will go into that another time ;)
I can see why that man keeps silent about it now, there is really no where to turn and no one to talk to.
A lot of the experiences tend to get explained away as something else (you tend to do this to yourself as well)
I am forever doubting that it even happened, it all seems like a very bad dream most of the time.
In the beginning it was a spiritual type of experience right up until I lost my baby, thenn I had to rethink the whole experience. In my right mind there is no way in heaven or hell that I would agree on any level for "them" to take my angels away from me :(
I still don't know what to think about any of it, I am hoping one day I will find some reasonable answer to it all.

[neondestiny]

wow Lime thanks so much for the link off to have a looksie
cheers
neon

[procyon]

Thanks Lime.

Neon destiny, yes it actually is more common than one thinks, but as usual the whole thing is avoided and as you say, even those who experience such things will convince themselves to pass it off as nothing.

I know a girl with a similar story actually. At a very young age, she claims that she used to get taken below the earth to visit with the lizard people as she called them. Classic reptilian in appearance. These meetings would also include hags and witches and all sorts of nasty entities that at the time she actually liked. At least she felt no threats from them. She had difficulties and to say the least a hard life, and after a while she began to get the strong feeling she was being used and that she had been deceived. Sadly she is in need of more help than I can give her. For her it was hard to deal with and it manifested in her daily life and her whole perspective which led to worse things. Basically she gave up on everything. Not the first person I have seen get messed up from these things, but definately one of the worst cases. She actually has never seen any other beings. It wasn't until she was already rather unstable and much older before she even talked to anyone about it. She didn't have a vanishing baby, but at several points felt as if she had something inside her, and then after a month or two, (she was one who wasn't a 3 monther, but because of the alledged history of her reptilian encounters I thought she might be a slightly different category) she would have a sense or feeling that she was empty and that there was nothing there. She also would get depressed when she knew it was gone. To me that is a mother's instinct kicking in. I don't know, I am no liscensed therapist just an open minded researcher with a sympathetic ear. But I am trying to make sense of all this.

I am a fan of Credo. It is great that someone like him is so open. It is even better that he and David Icke work together. Some amazing discussions to say the least.

[roxanna]

Thanks Lime.

Neon destiny, yes it actually is more common than one thinks, but as usual the whole thing is avoided and as you say, even those who experience such things will convince themselves to pass it off as nothing.

I know a girl with a similar story actually. At a very young age, she claims that she used to get taken below the earth to visit with the lizard people as she called them. Classic reptilian in appearance. These meetings would also include hags and witches and all sorts of nasty entities that at the time she actually liked. At least she felt no threats from them. She had difficulties and to say the least a hard life, and after a while she began to get the strong feeling she was being used and that she had been deceived. Sadly she is in need of more help than I can give her. For her it was hard to deal with and it manifested in her daily life and her whole perspective which led to worse things. Basically she gave up on everything. Not the first person I have seen get messed up from these things, but definately one of the worst cases. She actually has never seen any other beings. It wasn't until she was already rather unstable and much older before she even talked to anyone about it. She didn't have a vanishing baby, but at several points felt as if she had something inside her, and then after a month or two, (she was one who wasn't a 3 monther, but because of the alledged history of her reptilian encounters I thought she might be a slightly different category) he woulds have a sense or feeling that she was empty and that there was nothing there. She also would get depressed when she knew it was gone. To me that is a mother's instinct kicking in. I don't know, I am no liscensed therapist just an open minded researcher with a sympathetic ear. But I am trying to make sense of all this.

I am a fan of Credo. It is great that someone like him is so open. It is even better that he and David Icke work together. Some amazing discussions to say the least.

I dont know how to separate a certain line from a quote so hence the whole thing. The line of, "at several points felt as if she had something inside her, and then after a month or two (my case less) she would have a sense or feeling that she was empty and that there was nothing there anymore.", I just had that recently. I was convinced I was pregnant. I had the exact symptoms I did as when I was pregnant with my only child. Exact. I wish I had taken the pregnancy test earlier then I did as it could have shown something else. When I did take it nothing was there. This is the first time Ive heard of a "vanishing baby", and may not be or probably not my case. However the sensation I felt was the strangest Ive ever had. (note; Ive left my body on several occasions since a young age etc. ), in other words Ive had what some may consider "strange sensations", but never something like this. Also I wasnt expecting to become pregnant nor actually in want of a pregnancy at this time (at least not on a conscious level- maybe I did want one for some reason). So Im not saying this happened to me, but reading on this somehow makes me wonder. As I said I was completely convinced in my mind upon having these pregnancy symptons. I had no doubt I was. So much so, I even told my boyfriend of it! Upon finding I wasnt with child I was dismayed even though I had not even contemplated having a child at that time in my relationship. But this topic is ringing a distant bell in my psyche that I can not pinpoint. I have to this day a strange feeling that something isnt where its supposed to be. That something was there and isnt now, but gone. Thank you all for posting. Again I cant say what it was or if it was anything. Maybe I never was pregnant and the symptoms of something else, but I can not help but to relate to this topic. Makes me wonder though I may never ascertain the truth. Cheers

[procyon]

I would just like to thank you all for your discussion. To the women in the discussion of "vanishing babies" I admire your courage for speaking in public. It can be a very sensitive issue, and your courage is noted. Thank you for sharing. Especially out in the open like this. I appreciate your input and I am more than willing to share my own. And of course if anyone wishes to speak privately they are more than free to. A good portion of abductees, or anyone who experiences anything paranormal, tell me after our first interview or first talk that they actually feel alot better. I also know a few who went for medical treatment, and the pills prescribed didn't do a thing but make them less motivated to do things. The abdcutions continued and usually while on drugs of that nature, they would feel even more vulnerable somehow. A recurring phrase was "totally powerless". A few said it raised the level of fear in them, as because they were supposed to be on drugs that helped, and they were still seeing things, they thought they were totally bonkers and helplessly insane, or worse, their true fear would be confirmed and strange beings were taking them from the comforts of their own home. And one institutionalized for a period had an abduction take place in his cell. As I mentioned there are a few that have literally been destroyed by this. The trauma is almost all the evidence you need that something is going on with this person. There has to be a source. Thankfully none have killed themselves, but there is always talk as sometimes it is seen as the only cure to end the madness and terror.

Thankfully I have developed methods that have helped people, and even stopped abductions from occuring. The soul plays a large part, and even if the whole thing is just imagined, it does work. So whether it is actually psychic or soul protection, or just the proper frame of mind needed to stop such experiences from happening, it is nice to hear from people who have been able to finally live a normal life without fear and that hopeless feeling of insanity and "alienation".Pardon the pun I know that was pretty cheesy!

I think everyone at one point has some sort of experience with the unknown and has a reality check. After all a schizophrenic to me is more of an unwilling medium or psychic than anything. If you didn't want it, and you couldn't shut it off, it would drive you totally mad too. Voices, apparitions, all sorts of entities and who knows, maybe there could be an ET connection as well? Point of course being that our known methods and sciences have proven to be fruitless exempting labotomy, which is more like crashing the hard drive in most cases. Many different things and beings and info broadcast on all sorts of levels, and we are like radio receivers. You can't dispell that others might have better reception than you. That has largely kept me open minded about such things. Whether I committ to belief in them, is rather mute to me. I don't try to make any wild assumptions but I do compare notes and engage in discussions. Basically I like to gather the information with an open mind, and then work from there and do a little sleuthing.

Of course in abductions when I come across methods that work to help, I always share that. That is one of the good things about comparing notes and having an open mind. It allows for these things to be used and shared. I always listen to the skeptics too. After all without their work, hoaxes would never be exposed, and alot of false information would wreak havoc with the truth. On both sides though, you always get extremism in POV. I look at info objectively and take note of the messenger.

Again thanks for the links too. I am still reading all the material. Interesting.

[procyon]

And I have run into a few people who are contactees or CE5's. No sexual nature to the experience but it is not invasive or violating in any way. Usually an exchange of knowledge. I'll give you guys a link to a site that was put together by a friend of mine from South Africa. SOmeday I will save up enough so me and my wife can go visit him and meet him in person. Anyways he has a vast collection of data gathered from contactees. It is really quite impressive. Check it out. Some interesting things in there. Makes you wonder where all the info is coming from, as alot of it is a general consensus taken from people of all walks, from all parts of the world. I admire his dedication.

http://manuel.sekmeth.com/hb7/

[neondestiny]

Thank you Procyon for the link ;) I have been reading it for the last 2 days and found some really interesting/synchronistic stuff there.
Just a little more info about my "vanishing baby" may or may not be significant but my due date for that particular pregnancy was the 25th of December, it was also my 9th gestational pregnancy.
Like I said earlier I am still really at a loss what to think about it all, I take great comfort in the fact that most things happen on an astral level rather than reality 3D level, that sort of helps me get through my day without putting too much energy or thought into it, although I can relate to the people wanting you to tell them they are crazy, lol that would make the whole experience more explainable and rational.
I have also just finished reading a book called "Hair of the alien" It was a synchro event finding that book, I was actually looking for another book and that one just jumped out at me. Credo Mtwa is mentioned in that book (first time I had come across the name) some"thing" draws me to certain things at the right time I have found, that I cannot deny by rationalisation alone, as it happens way too often.