Why has Icke not mentioned the Orion Lizard Queen?

[the moral man]

Dear Friends
kind regards
David Icke was the first conspiracy theorist that talked about Reptilian rule of Earth.
Icke has talked about the Reptiles plan for World domination, he has even outlined the in-fighting among different Illuminati factions.
He has even talked about how the power goes even beyond the mainstream Reptilian bloodlines (an example is how the Queen fears a Reptilian called Pindar).
The M5 Author talks about the Orion Reptile Queen and she is known as the most powerful Reptilian in the ranks.
She is so terrifying that all of the mainstream Illuminati bloodline Reptilians known by name fear her.
The Orion Reptile Queen will soon be returning to add this planet to the Orion Empire and take it back from the Rebel Queen.
Why hasn't David Icke mentioned the Orion Reptile Queen and what else is there to know about the Reptilians that Icke hasn't covered overall?
If you could contribute to this thread with your views and knowledge I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John

[majicdragon]

perhaps david is secretly in with the orion reptile queen, like some kind of servant, or mind controlled slave.

otherwise it seems that she should have had mention in one of dave's books.

you can't simply forget the orion queen can you?... or perhaps there were threats to david from orion...

this seems important, i'm sure there will be more to come and weigh in on this issue.

i am simply amazed that i hadn't noticed the omission.

you are definitely on to something large.

[les_paul_robot]

Interesting question MM.
Maybe because it's quite far removed from what we have to do here and now.
It's possible with his new book and talks he'll cover this subject. But it's a bit hard to provide evidence for.
Have you read the Terra Papers, MM?

[mrindigo]

I don't know if Mr. Icke was the first to cover the subject. Truthfully I'm not sure who is the first. There's certainly a lot of reptilian symbolism throughout the ancient architecture of the world, though their actual meaning is lost to most of the general public. David Icke was the first person I've ever heard talk about it though.

The name you mentioned sounds familiar, though I can't place where I've heard it before. Where did that information you found come from may I ask? What about this "Pindar", makes her so terrible (if she/it exists)? Why come all this way to take a tiny back-water planet to add to a theoretically vast empire, and wouldn't stretching out imperialistic forces too thin, be a bad idea for them?

Maybe the reason he hasn't covered it is he hasn't learned of it yet, he's still gathering information, or the person who's put this bit out has fabricated a lie designed to instill fear and panic among the alternative information community. :confused:

[michael christopher]

My guess is this: IT'S NOT REAL.

Of course, neither is half of the other shit DI talks about.

[kasalt]

Why hasn't David Icke mentioned the Orion Reptile Queen?


How have you been convinced that this being even exists?

[clint_giles]

How have you been convinced that this being even exists?

i had the same thought.

i like the idea of reptilians ruling planet earth,it makes total sense and their are many facts to back these claims up through symbolism and writings on cave walls
but i still have an open mind to the fact it could be bullshit aswell....

[exclamatio]

sounds a bit like an odd star wars to me O.o

[michael christopher]

How have you been convinced that this being even exists?

All of these Matrix cultists use dreams - er, I'm sorry, "astral travel" - as the only evidence to back up their insane ideas. Never taking into account the fact that all dreams are personally symbolic and whatever personal symbols one feels most strongly about will manifest themselves in the dream state.

Oh yeah, and it says so in the Matrix V, which is the Matrix Bible, and we all know that everyone who disagrees with the Matrix V is just a "minion incarnation" and thus can't be taken seriously. :rolleyes:

The only evidence that this "Orion lizard queen" even exists are dreams and the words of a shady character named Valdamar Valerian, who wrote the Matrix book series.

Surely someone who writes a book would never lie or make up anything!!!!!!!

[metacomet]

The M5 Author talks about the Orion Reptile Queen and she is known as the most powerful Reptilian in the ranks.


The M5 Author is an anonymous person, who most likely did little to no research in the way that Icke has.

The M5 Author is responsible for getting alot of new ideas out in circulation, and makes alot of great points.

But it's no surprise that Icke doesn't mention the same things as the M5 author.

Icke is a real person.

The M5 author is anonymous. Completely free of any danger to their reputation.

It was enough for Icke to mention Pindar... if he went on about an Orion Reptile Queen or a 'Rebel Queen' or things of that nature it would only further stretch his credibility.

Icke only talks about things that other people have genuinely experienced or informed him about.

The M5 author does not provide any research notes on anything...

These differences between Icke and the M5 author is the reason Icke hasn't written about such things.

[kasalt]

i had the same thought.

i like the idea of reptilians ruling planet earth,it makes total sense and their are many facts to back these claims up through symbolism and writings on cave walls
but i still have an open mind to the fact it could be bullshit aswell....

I do believe that there is substance to the reptilian theory in that reptilian imagery in artwork seems to transcend culture in both time and place, and then there is also the human brain stem, which some scientists refer to as the "reptilian complex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triune_brain#The_R-complex)", no less. "Where there's smoke, there's fire," as the saying goes, so in my opinion, there is definitely something substantial to it, although whether it is to be taken literally or more symbolically (e.g., as archetypes), I can only guess.

I like what this guy has to say:
This reptilian archetype is found in many cultures around the world and according to Narby is also the most common symbol seen after hallucinogenic experiences. My conclusion is that this “reptilian archetype” as I call it, or an inter-dimensional race from the Draco constellation operating just outside of visible light frequency are the gatekeepers or humanities inner demons continually operating out of the lower brain (lower vibration), that we have to transcend in order to start creating our own reality and finding our true path through synchronicity and creativity.
Source: http://acausalrealms.wordpress.com/the-human-super-computer-and-the-cosmic-serpent-2/

[consciousness]

Dear Friends
kind regards
David Icke was the first conspiracy theorist that talked about Reptilian rule of Earth.
Icke has talked about the Reptiles plan for World domination, he has even outlined the in-fighting among different Illuminati factions.
He has even talked about how the power goes even beyond the mainstream Reptilian bloodlines (an example is how the Queen fears a Reptilian called Pindar).
The M5 Author talks about the Orion Reptile Queen and she is known as the most powerful Reptilian in the ranks.
She is so terrifying that all of the mainstream Illuminati bloodline Reptilians known by name fear her.
The Orion Reptile Queen will soon be returning to add this planet to the Orion Empire and take it back from the Rebel Queen.
Why hasn't David Icke mentioned the Orion Reptile Queen and what else is there to know about the Reptilians that Icke hasn't covered overall?
If you could contribute to this thread with your views and knowledge I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John

Here's some info
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles26.htm

[les_paul_robot]

All of these Matrix cultists use dreams - er, I'm sorry, "astral travel" - as the only evidence to back up their insane ideas. Never taking into account the fact that all dreams are personally symbolic and whatever personal symbols one feels most strongly about will manifest themselves in the dream state.

Oh yeah, and it says so in the Matrix V, which is the Matrix Bible, and we all know that everyone who disagrees with the Matrix V is just a "minion incarnation" and thus can't be taken seriously. :rolleyes:

The only evidence that this "Orion lizard queen" even exists are dreams and the words of a shady character named Valdamar Valerian, who wrote the Matrix book series.

Surely someone who writes a book would never lie or make up anything!!!!!!!Much like the Bible written by your 'God' then?

[michael christopher]

Much like the Bible written by your 'God' then?

What are you talking about? The Bible is bullshit. God does not write books.

[les_paul_robot]

What are you talking about? The Bible is bullshit. God does not write books.It's what I was taught at school. Sister Catherine asked the class who the author of the Bible is. Then she told us it was God.
Is this God, that is only concerned with human life on Earth and requires worship, similar to yours?
Either way, that is sillier than the existance of an Orion queen.

[michael christopher]

It's what I was taught at school. Sister Catherine asked the class who the author of the Bible is. Then she told us it was God.
Is this God, that is only concerned with human life on Earth and requires worship, similar to yours?
Either way, that is sillier than the existance of an Orion queen.

I'm really confused as to what you're talking about. I think you have me mistaken with someone else, as you seem to be accusing me of having viewpoints which I am strongly against.

Humans are not the only species in the universe, there are probably billions, and earth is just as significant as any other planet. My God does not require worships and loves all beings unconditionally. I don't believe in Hell or punishment except when people punish themselves.

I think you are confused.

[marpat]

Because he thinks the idea is too mental and he might be seen as a nutter?

[the moral man]

Dear Friends
kind regards
I'd like to respond to the following people.
majicdragon.........

perhaps david is secretly in with the orion reptile queen, like some kind of servant, or mind controlled slave.

otherwise it seems that she should have had mention in one of dave's books.

you can't simply forget the orion queen can you?... or perhaps there were threats to david from orion...

this seems important, i'm sure there will be more to come and weigh in on this issue.

i am simply amazed that i hadn't noticed the omission.

you are definitely on to something large.

Well at the monent, there is a Rebel Reptilian Queen in charge, but Icke hasn't mentioned this being either.
The Orion Queen hasn't returned yet to take power from the known Reptilians.
It could be that the real powers that be don't even make themselves known in secret, hence Icke hasn't even been aware of it.
les_paul_robot.........

Interesting question MM.
Maybe because it's quite far removed from what we have to do here and now.
It's possible with his new book and talks he'll cover this subject. But it's a bit hard to provide evidence for.
Have you read the Terra Papers, MM?

I know that Icke talks about Reptilian in-fighting and a Reptilian takeover, but that is as far as it goes.
If people want to know what will happen after the Reptiles take over, they should read the Matrix V trilogy.
I haven't read the Terra Papers yet but may do so in the future.
mrindigo...........

I don't know if Mr. Icke was the first to cover the subject. Truthfully I'm not sure who is the first. There's certainly a lot of reptilian symbolism throughout the ancient architecture of the world, though their actual meaning is lost to most of the general public. David Icke was the first person I've ever heard talk about it though.

Well Icke was the first person to popularize the Reptilian theory, but he got it from other sources like Credo Mutwa.

The name you mentioned sounds familiar, though I can't place where I've heard it before. Where did that information you found come from may I ask? What about this "Pindar", makes her so terrible (if she/it exists)? Why come all this way to take a tiny back-water planet to add to a theoretically vast empire, and wouldn't stretching out imperialistic forces too thin, be a bad idea for them?

The Orion Reptile Queen is mentioned in the Matrix V trilogy, you can get the books at the following link.
1. http://www.trufax.org/matrix5/welcome.html
Pindar is a male Reptilian who is a frightening figure, he even frightens the Queen of England (a high level Reptilian) and he mentioned in David Icke's The biggest secret.

Maybe the reason he hasn't covered it is he hasn't learned of it yet, he's still gathering information, or the person who's put this bit out has fabricated a lie designed to instill fear and panic among the alternative information community.

I think that Icke hasn't confirmed the totality of the main Reptilian base and The Author of M5 has found out through research.
michael christopher.........

My guess is this: IT'S NOT REAL.

Of course, neither is half of the other shit DI talks about.

What exactly are your beliefs then?
A man who makes threads such as the one highlighted below cannot talk about the lack of credibility that other researchers have.
1. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95366
Here is a quote from your first post on that thread.

There are many spirits within us, that have left their mark. Once something is in us, as life will demonstrate, it tends to stay that way unless we take it out. It's not possession. It's the copying of a spirit, or perhaps the tapping into that spirit potential which exists in our DNA. Our hormones know anger, lust, love, hate, fury, oblivion, etc. Are these the spirits? It has been said in the past that humans are as gods, and yet we do not know it. As we evolve, are we becoming more able to control these spirits within ourselves, and decide which to draw on?

The above reasoning is boarderline ridiculous and schitzophrenic, not even people high on Brazilian wonder potions have come up with something like that.

All of these Matrix cultists use dreams - er, I'm sorry, "astral travel" - as the only evidence to back up their insane ideas. Never taking into account the fact that all dreams are personally symbolic and whatever personal symbols one feels most strongly about will manifest themselves in the dream state.

Firstly the people who read M5 are not cultists and secondly I have never done astral travel.

Oh yeah, and it says so in the Matrix V, which is the Matrix Bible, and we all know that everyone who disagrees with the Matrix V is just a "minion incarnation" and thus can't be taken seriously.

Who told you that?

The only evidence that this "Orion lizard queen" even exists are dreams and the words of a shady character named Valdamar Valerian, who wrote the Matrix book series.

Surely someone who writes a book would never lie or make up anything!!!!!!!

Get it right, The Author is the writer and Val Valerian is the publisher.
kasalt.........

How have you been convinced that this being even exists?

The point is simply this, if the Reptilians are here and in control, there must be a chain of command with a central figurehead.
meatcomet.........

The M5 Author is an anonymous person, who most likely did little to no research in the way that Icke has.

The M5 Author is responsible for getting alot of new ideas out in circulation, and makes alot of great points.

But it's no surprise that Icke doesn't mention the same things as the M5 author.

Icke is a real person.

The M5 author is anonymous. Completely free of any danger to their reputation.

It was enough for Icke to mention Pindar... if he went on about an Orion Reptile Queen or a 'Rebel Queen' or things of that nature it would only further stretch his credibility.

Icke only talks about things that other people have genuinely experienced or informed him about.

The M5 author does not provide any research notes on anything...

These differences between Icke and the M5 author is the reason Icke hasn't written about such things.

I will give you credit for giving an honest account of the facts.
Icke is a researcher and The Author is a researcher, just different types of researchers.
The Author basically verifies what Icke gets right and what he gets wrong and fills in the blanks that Icke has failed to answer.
This is why I say that Icke's books and the M5 trilogy compliment each other.
Consciousness.........

Here's some info
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/su...reptiles26.htm

Thank you for the link, I'll check it out.
marpat.........

Because he thinks the idea is too mental and he might be seen as a nutter?

Maybe, after all, Icke is perceived as sane by the public at large for saying that Lizards run the World isn't he?
Wonders never cease.
yours thankfully
John

[michael christopher]

Spirits are psychological. You claim there is a physically existing Orion Lizard Queen who commands things. One doesn't have to have evidence to believe in psychological phenomena and to interpret it creatively. But to actually make the claim that a living, breathing Lizard Queen from Orion who rules from a far off galaxy controls this planet is hilarious. And you call my reasoning absurd and crazy?

At least I have reasoning. At least I openly admit that spirits are not physically real and only psychological archetypes. Coincidentally, nothing in my belief system implies that some humans are less than others, as in your belief system. And yes, Matrix pushers are a cult.

[the moral man]

Dear michael christopher
kind regards
In response to your comments.

Spirits are psychological. You claim there is a physically existing Orion Lizard Queen who commands things. One doesn't have to have evidence to believe in psychological phenomena and to interpret it creatively. But to actually make the claim that a living, breathing Lizard Queen from Orion who rules from a far off galaxy controls this planet is hilarious. And you call my reasoning absurd and crazy?

Your theory is most absurd of anything that I have yet to see.
Emotions are different spirits within us?
The truth is that emotions are apart of our human makeup and are apart of our experience.

At least I have reasoning. At least I openly admit that spirits are not physically real and only psychological archetypes. Coincidentally, nothing in my belief system implies that some humans are less than others, as in your belief system. And yes, Matrix pushers are a cult

Your belief system is a joke, you got your beliefs out of thin air, it surprises me that the tooth fairy isn't a demi-god that you pray to.
The Matrix V readers are not apart of any cult, they are simply people who buy the books and add them to the other books that they have.
Look at the people who have read M5 on this forum, many of them on here don't even agree with everything that The Author says.
Furthermore, if you have talked to The Author via email (as I have), you'll know that he neither wants followers or friends.
Both David Icke and The Author of Matrix V put out information and allow the readers to take or decline whatever they wish and you would know this if you bothered to read their material.
yours thankfully
John

[michael christopher]

Dear michael christopher
kind regards
In response to your comments.



Your theory is most absurd of anything that I have yet to see.
Emotions are different spirits within us?
The truth is that emotions are apart of our human makeup and are apart of our experience.

That is no different than what I said, read the post before you try to randomly select parts of it to make me look bad. I explain my definition of a spirit in the post quite clearly. And to say it's more absurd to believe that than to believe a reptilian lizard queen from the Orion star system is ruling our planet from a distant galaxy doesn't exactly make you look intelligent.

Your belief system is a joke, you got your beliefs out of thin air, it surprises me that the tooth fairy isn't a demi-god that you pray to.
The Matrix V readers are not apart of any cult, they are simply people who buy the books and add them to the other books that they have.
Look at the people who have read M5 on this forum, many of them on here don't even agree with everything that The Author says.
Furthermore, if you have talked to The Author via email (as I have), you'll know that he neither wants followers or friends.
Both David Icke and The Author of Matrix V put out information and allow the readers to take or decline whatever they wish and you would know this if you bothered to read their material.
yours thankfully
John

I have read their material and I'm well aware of how it works and the types of people it creates. Namely, people like you. You still can't explain where you got the idea that a Lizard Queen rules from. Can you explain what evidence there is to support this theory, since it is an actual declaration of truth instead of an interpretation of reality as my beliefs are? I think they are two quite different systems of belief, as any intelligent person would.

[clachan]

I'm really confused as to what you're talking about. I think you have me mistaken with someone else, as you seem to be accusing me of having viewpoints which I am strongly against.

Humans are not the only species in the universe, there are probably billions, and earth is just as significant as any other planet. My God does not require worships and loves all beings unconditionally. I don't believe in Hell or punishment except when people punish themselves.

I think you are confused.

You only "think" he,s confussed ??????
More like barking mad.

[the moral man]

Dear michael christopher
kind regards
In response to your comments.

That is no different than what I said, read the post before you try to randomly select parts of it to make me look bad. I explain my definition of a spirit in the post quite clearly. And to say it's more absurd to believe that than to believe a reptilian lizard queen from the Orion star system is ruling our planet from a distant galaxy doesn't exactly make you look intelligent.

I read your post, it made no sense.
The Orion Queen being the chief Reptilian makes more sense than anything than you have come up with.

I have read their material and I'm well aware of how it works and the types of people it creates. Namely, people like you. You still can't explain where you got the idea that a Lizard Queen rules from. Can you explain what evidence there is to support this theory, since it is an actual declaration of truth instead of an interpretation of reality as my beliefs are? I think they are two quite different systems of belief, as any intelligent person would.

Your interpretation of reality is the most nonsensical thing that I have yet to see.
You need to address the things that you put in your own blog, rather than taking cheap shots at other authors.
I would appreciate it if you could kindly stay out of this thread unless you have something productive to say.
yours thankfully
John

[michael christopher]

Dear michael christopher
kind regards
In response to your comments.



I read your post, it made no sense.
The Orion Queen being the chief Reptilian makes more sense than anything than you have come up with.



Your interpretation of reality is the most nonsensical thing that I have yet to see.
You need to address the things that you put in your own blog, rather than taking cheap shots at other authors.
I would appreciate it if you could kindly stay out of this thread unless you have something productive to say.
yours thankfully
John
I won't stay out of the thread because I'm not breaking any rules and I see exactly how you censor people. "If you don't want to agree with me, you're not being productive and should stay out of the thread!"

I think I have every right to post what I think here. Coincidentally, simply because you claim that your theory "makes sense" does not make it true. I did address the things I write in my own blog, because nothing I said is out of the ordinary. I interpret emotions to be those things which in the past we have identified as spirits. If you think that's non-sensical good for you, but in reality it's a personal interpretation. I know you're grasping at straws and can't seem to come up with any other way of attacking me, but you're going to have to try harder. Show some evidence for your claims. What evidence exists that there is a Reptilian Queen from Orion running the show?

PRESENT

YOUR

EVIDENCE.

[pound]

Awesome thread Moral Man. I was doing a bit of research on the Nephilim just a few days ago and I ran across an interesting morsel of information that I hadnt recalled ever seeing in any of Ickes books (maybe, but I dont recall for the life of me!). Basically back in Mesopotamian times the peoples of the Aramaic culture IE 'Aram' (central Syria) used to refer to the Orion Constellation as "Nephilia", implying that Orion was the homeland of the so called 'Nephilim". This would partially explain the ancient obsession of aligning buildings with the Orion constellation amongst numerous other things.
And of course many people speculate that the biblical Nephilim and they're offspring (emim, rephaim, anakim, nagas, zazzummin, chithuari etc...) were in fact the so called 'draco' Reptilian race. So I thought the correlation between these entities and this Reptilian queen that your mentioning was interesting!

http://arcana.wikidot.com/nephilim

[mrindigo]

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions, the moral man. Thank you for the correction on the gender of this being as well, I misinterpreted it as a female as you saw. :D

This is an interesting subject, though I can honestly say I've never seen any sort of reptilian humanoid in my lifetime. Still, just because I haven't seen it, does not mean it doesn't exist.

[citywoman]

it surprises me that the tooth fairy isn't a demi-god that you pray to.

Dear Moral Man,
Kind regards.

Tooth Fairy - Lizard Queen... what's the diff?

Sincerely,
Citywoman

[EDIT]
Readers, please excuse the pompous fakery of my post.
When in Rome...

[michael christopher]

Dear Moral Man,
Kind regards.

Tooth Fairy - Lizard Queen... what's the diff?

Sincerely,
Citywoman

[EDIT]
Readers, please excuse the pompous fakery of my post.
When in Rome...

Good point. It's amusing to see this charlatan attacking others (while at the same time misrepresenting what they really believe) while ignoring the giant holes within his own insane conspiracy theory. It's easier to attack those who disagree than to back up your own bullshit, isn't it moral man?

kind regards,

[pound]

As crazy as this world is, anything is possible.

[song_of_susannah]

The Reptilians do not run a matriarchy. They favour males and are misogynistic and hateful towards the female sex.

The Anunnaki are extremely jealous and resentful of the Divine Mother, the creative part of the Mother/Father Source. This can be seen throughout nearly all cultures and religions, which the Reptilians either created, altered or influenced heavily.

The Reptilians taught Human males to abuse mistreat and disrespect the females.

Reptilian consciousness is found in both male and female, but the traits remain the same.

[subl1minal]

My God does not require worships and loves all beings unconditionally.



Where's your evidence?

[michael christopher]

Where's your evidence?

There is a difference between making a guess at something and basing it on personal experience, such as a belief in God, or telling people that there's a Lizard Queen from the Orion star system that controls earth remotely and attacking everyone who disagrees. If you are too stupid to see the difference between these two types of claims then I can't help you. Go on believing in the Lizard Queen if that makes you feel better. Maybe one day you'll meet her. :rolleyes:

[consciousness]

Spirits are psychological. You claim there is a physically existing Orion Lizard Queen who commands things. One doesn't have to have evidence to believe in psychological phenomena and to interpret it creatively. But to actually make the claim that a living, breathing Lizard Queen from Orion who rules from a far off galaxy controls this planet is hilarious. And you call my reasoning absurd and crazy?

At least I have reasoning. At least I openly admit that spirits are not physically real and only psychological archetypes. Coincidentally, nothing in my belief system implies that some humans are less than others, as in your belief system. And yes, Matrix pushers are a cult.

We could do a lot more if you leave this board. Leave us be!

[the moral man]

Dear Friends
kind regards
In response to your comments.

I won't stay out of the thread because I'm not breaking any rules and I see exactly how you censor people. "If you don't want to agree with me, you're not being productive and should stay out of the thread!"

I think I have every right to post what I think here. Coincidentally, simply because you claim that your theory "makes sense" does not make it true. I did address the things I write in my own blog, because nothing I said is out of the ordinary. I interpret emotions to be those things which in the past we have identified as spirits. If you think that's non-sensical good for you, but in reality it's a personal interpretation. I know you're grasping at straws and can't seem to come up with any other way of attacking me, but you're going to have to try harder. Show some evidence for your claims. What evidence exists that there is a Reptilian Queen from Orion running the show?

PRESENT

YOUR

EVIDENCE.

The evidence is contained in M5, I suggest that you read it.
pound..........

Awesome thread Moral Man. I was doing a bit of research on the Nephilim just a few days ago and I ran across an interesting morsel of information that I hadnt recalled ever seeing in any of Ickes books (maybe, but I dont recall for the life of me!). Basically back in Mesopotamian times the peoples of the Aramaic culture IE 'Aram' (central Syria) used to refer to the Orion Constellation as "Nephilia", implying that Orion was the homeland of the so called 'Nephilim". This would partially explain the ancient obsession of aligning buildings with the Orion constellation amongst numerous other things.
And of course many people speculate that the biblical Nephilim and they're offspring (emim, rephaim, anakim, nagas, zazzummin, chithuari etc...) were in fact the so called 'draco' Reptilian race. So I thought the correlation between these entities and this Reptilian queen that your mentioning was interesting!

http://arcana.wikidot.com/nephilim

Interesting, I shall check this information out.

Dear Moral Man,
Kind regards.

Tooth Fairy - Lizard Queen... what's the diff?

Sincerely,
Citywoman

[EDIT]
Readers, please excuse the pompous fakery of my post.
When in Rome...

I understand what you are saying.
I haven't seen a reptilian before and I understand the skepticism.
I think that the idea of a Reptile Queen has merit to it if you believe in the Reptilian theory.
song_of_susannah.........

The Reptilians do not run a matriarchy. They favour males and are misogynistic and hateful towards the female sex.

The Anunnaki are extremely jealous and resentful of the Divine Mother, the creative part of the Mother/Father Source. This can be seen throughout nearly all cultures and religions, which the Reptilians either created, altered or influenced heavily.

The Reptilians taught Human males to abuse mistreat and disrespect the females.

Reptilian consciousness is found in both male and female, but the traits remain the same.

There are different factions of the Reptilians and the Orion Reptilians are the most powerful of them all.
I suggest that you read the Matrix V trilogy for more information.
yours thankfully
John

[michael christopher]

We could do a lot more if you leave this board. Leave us be!

Use your ignore feature if you can't stand to read my point of view. Sorry it seems to bother you so much that not everyone bows down and agrees with every piece of bullshit that floats across this website.

The evidence is contained in M5, I suggest that you read it.
pound..........

What a cop-out. And for the record, I have read extremely large chunks of Matrix V, and so many of it's claims have absolutely no basis in reality and provide no evidence to back them up. If there's strong evidence that there is a Lizard Queen (haha, highly doubtful), then it won't be much of a big deal for you to reproduce that evidence here. As it is, you're simply saying "BELIEVE ME OR GET OUT OF MY THREAD, AND I WILL NOT BOTHER TO BACK UP MY CLAIMS AT ALL! YET I STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO ATTACK YOU!"

Don't you care about not looking stupid? It's not a matter of arguing with me, anyone who is interested in this would want the evidence. One would think you would want to spread the truth, and provide the evidence for people on the fence. But so far all you've done is ATTACK ME for asking for the evidence. That makes it look like you are trying to hide the fact that there isn't any credible evidence. This is exactly what Christian evangelicals and cult leaders do when confronted and asked to prove their silly beliefs that they foist onto others as absolute Truth (TM).

Put up or shut up, as they say. Of keep babbling non-sense. But in every single post you avoid showing evidence, you're only revealing to those people who you're trying to convince that you have no evidence and your entire worldview stands on shaky ground. Help yourself, come on.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why posting evidence to back up your assertion is a good idea.

AND BTW, I love how in order to see the evidence, I have to go pay a massive amount of money to buy the book. :rolleyes:

[subl1minal]

There is a difference between making a guess at something and basing it on personal experience, such as a belief in God, or telling people that there's a Lizard Queen from the Orion star system that controls earth remotely and attacking everyone who disagrees. If you are too stupid to see the difference between these two types of claims then I can't help you. Go on believing in the Lizard Queen if that makes you feel better. Maybe one day you'll meet her. :rolleyes:


Hahaha I didn't even say I believe in a Lizard Queen :)

[michael christopher]

Hahaha I didn't even say I believe in a Lizard Queen :)

Ah, playing devil's advocate then. I can respect that. Still, what I said stands. A spiritual belief and a literal assertion are two completely different types of beliefs. One requires evidence as it is an assertion on the facts of reality, another is merely an interpretation of that reality but does not assert anything about it.

[conan1040]

There is a difference between making a guess at something and basing it on personal experience, such as a belief in God, or telling people that there's a Lizard Queen from the Orion star system that controls earth remotely and attacking everyone who disagrees. If you are too stupid to see the difference between these two types of claims then I can't help you. Go on believing in the Lizard Queen if that makes you feel better. Maybe one day you'll meet her. :rolleyes:

good one :D

[blind seance]

Moral does she have the bolt symbol?

[song_of_susannah]

Dear Friends
kind regards
In response to your comments.

song_of_susannah.........

There are different factions of the Reptilians and the Orion Reptilians are the most powerful of them all.
I suggest that you read the Matrix V trilogy for more information.
yours thankfully
John



I will not be reading the Matrix V trilogy.

From what I have seen on the thread associated with the material, I believe the information to be flawed.

[consciousness]

Use your ignore feature if you can't stand to read my point of view. Sorry it seems to bother you so much that not everyone bows down and agrees with every piece of bullshit that floats across this website.

That's pretty arrogant of you. Instead of leaving, you say i must ignore you. That's beside the point.

[michael christopher]

That's pretty arrogant of you. Instead of leaving, you say i must ignore you. That's beside the point.

It's not beside the point. This is an open forum. If you don't know what an open forum is, then go look it up. You really think I should leave just to make you kool-aid drinking Lizard Queen enthusiasts happy? That seems far more arrogant to me than my telling you to ignore me.

[measle_weasel]

Your belief system is a joke, you got your beliefs out of thin air, it surprises me that the tooth fairy isn't a demi-god that you pray to.

ALL beliefs come out of thin air. Read the blue link in my sig for more elaboration.

[the moral man]

What a cop-out. And for the record, I have read extremely large chunks of Matrix V, and so many of it's claims have absolutely no basis in reality and provide no evidence to back them up. If there's strong evidence that there is a Lizard Queen (haha, highly doubtful), then it won't be much of a big deal for you to reproduce that evidence here. As it is, you're simply saying "BELIEVE ME OR GET OUT OF MY THREAD, AND I WILL NOT BOTHER TO BACK UP MY CLAIMS AT ALL! YET I STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO ATTACK YOU!"

Don't you care about not looking stupid? It's not a matter of arguing with me, anyone who is interested in this would want the evidence. One would think you would want to spread the truth, and provide the evidence for people on the fence. But so far all you've done is ATTACK ME for asking for the evidence. That makes it look like you are trying to hide the fact that there isn't any credible evidence. This is exactly what Christian evangelicals and cult leaders do when confronted and asked to prove their silly beliefs that they foist onto others as absolute Truth (TM).

Put up or shut up, as they say. Of keep babbling non-sense. But in every single post you avoid showing evidence, you're only revealing to those people who you're trying to convince that you have no evidence and your entire worldview stands on shaky ground. Help yourself, come on.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why posting evidence to back up your assertion is a good idea.

AND BTW, I love how in order to see the evidence, I have to go pay a massive amount of money to buy the book. :rolleyes:

Dear michael christopher
kind regards
I'll put it to you like this.
I have read David Icke's books and the Matrix V trilogy.
Now I have gained much from these books and the value, but this experience is mine.
You have your own weird belief system (which I cannot understand) and you are not open to other viewpoints and that is fine.
The evidence of the Reptilians are in the books that I have talked about on this thread.
If you are interested then research further, if not, then get back to the psycho babble that you spew on your blog.
I have nothing more to say to you on this subject.
yours thankfully
John

[michael christopher]

Dear michael christopher
kind regards
I'll put it to you like this.
I have read David Icke's books and the Matrix V trilogy.
Now I have gained much from these books and the value, but this experience is mine.
You have your own weird belief system (which I cannot understand) and you are not open to other viewpoints and that is fine.
The evidence of the Reptilians are in the books that I have talked about on this thread.
If you are interested then research further, if not, then get back to the psycho babble that you spew on your blog.
I have nothing more to say to you on this subject.
yours thankfully
John

So you further decline to provide the evidence, suggesting instead that I pay a large amount of money to go read this evidence in the Matrix V books, large chunks of which I have read online and find to be baseless and morally flawed?

Alright. Just making sure.

That's one more post without any evidence from you. Continue to ridicule my psycho-babble while you suggest there is a Lizard Queen from the Orion star system remotely ruling the planet. Yes, my spiritual beliefs are worthy of ridicule, but not your absurd beliefs.

[conan1040]

I have read David Icke's books and the Matrix V trilogy.


Matrix V trilogy ... is it the one that "Matrix" series are based on?

[pound]

Yeah I was wondering the same thing with the term "matrix" being used. Is this series somehow supposed to be a spin off of the Icke "Children of the Matrix" book? Sounds interesting.

[conan1040]

here is an interesting work on that Matrix movie, if that is what he referred to
http://vodaspb.ru/english/files/Matrix_html/Matrix.htm

[blind seance]

Moral does she have the bolt symbol?

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8233/1234wn.jpg

[les_paul_robot]

Evidence?
An ET telling Native Americans about the reptilian empire is pretty good.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16267603/The-Terra-Papers-by-Robert-Morning-Sky

[michael christopher]

Evidence?
An ET telling Native Americans about the reptilian empire is pretty good.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16267603/The-Terra-Papers-by-Robert-Morning-Sky

Have you ever heard of "Disinformation."

One person saying this happened is not enough. There must be multiple corroborating stories, there must be some kind of physical evidence... once again, READING SHIT ON THE INTERNET DOES NOT COUNT AS PROOF.

[8 nephila 8]

Every time I hear about this Orion Queen I can't help but think of those green Orion Slave girls from star trek. XD

[les_paul_robot]

Have you ever heard of "Disinformation."Well, duh. BTW, you wanted a question mark.


One person saying this happened is not enough. There must be multiple corroborating stories, there must be some kind of physical evidence... once again, READING SHIT ON THE INTERNET DOES NOT COUNT AS PROOF.Oh right, because the Truth (TM) is subject to a democratic system of most witnesses wins?
What sort of physical evidence do you want? Do you expect me to borrow the old Orion queenie, Mary to her pals, for the day just to show you?
FYI,
proof (prf)
n.
1. The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.People's minds are different, therefore it would take different amounts/varieties of evidence for one human over another to accept an idea. Go on, prove to me that you exist.
If you've bothered to read about reptilians, you'd know that revealing themselves to us is pretty much something they're not going to do.
And besides, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[sygyt]

My guess is this: IT'S NOT REAL.

Of course, neither is half of the other shit DI talks about.

Almost nothing that David Icke talks about is real.These forums are very entertaining though.Hours of innocent amusement.

[the moral man]

Have you ever heard of "Disinformation."

One person saying this happened is not enough. There must be multiple corroborating stories, there must be some kind of physical evidence... once again, READING SHIT ON THE INTERNET DOES NOT COUNT AS PROOF.

Dear michael christopher
kind regards
I completely understand what you are saying.
It was Bill Cooper who said Read everything, but don't believe it untill you can prove it in your own right.
You are aware of what is stated in the Matrix V trilogy and you don't agree with it due to your own reasoning.
So what are your beliefs then?
If you could kindly give us a complete list of your beliefs I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John

[conan1040]

this one might very well be the image of that Orion Lizard Queen, it surely appears to be looking like some ET landscape and the posture of the creature seems to be like one of those ... shall we say royals ?

http://i46.tinypic.com/2eezqfn.jpg

[subl1minal]

this one might very well be the image of that Orion Lizard Queen, it surely appears to be looking like some ET landscape and the posture of the creature seems to be like one of those ... shall we say royals ?

http://i46.tinypic.com/2eezqfn.jpg

Where is that picture from? because it looks like a painting to me.

[thefreedomagenda]

Where is that picture from? because it looks like a painting to me.

Not sure where it's from but it was a recent post in the rep section

[pound]

Almost nothing that David Icke talks about is real.

Most uninformed comment of the day.

[michael christopher]

Well, duh. BTW, you wanted a question mark.

Oh right, because the Truth (TM) is subject to a democratic system of most witnesses wins?
What sort of physical evidence do you want? Do you expect me to borrow the old Orion queenie, Mary to her pals, for the day just to show you?

How about offering ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE?

FYI,
People's minds are different, therefore it would take different amounts/varieties of evidence for one human over another to accept an idea. Go on, prove to me that you exist.
If you've bothered to read about reptilians, you'd know that revealing themselves to us is pretty much something they're not going to do.
And besides, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

LOL. You think it's intelligent to believe in the Queen Lizard without even one shred of evidence existing to support your theory?

Then be my guest. You are only doing a disservice to yourself. Sounds like your rationality circuits might be fried.

[les_paul_robot]

How about offering ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE?

LOL. You think it's intelligent to believe in the Queen Lizard without even one shred of evidence existing to support your theory?

Then be my guest. You are only doing a disservice to yourself. Sounds like your rationality circuits might be fried.
:rolleyes:
When you gonna offer one shred of evidence you exist?

I believe in the possibility of there being a reptilian Queen. I personally believe it's more probable than not.
If you can't understand it's possible that amongst all things created by your 'God' some of it are reptilian-based humanoids far older than the human race - and therefore far more technologically advanced - in a different star system where they have a hierarchy headed by a Queen, then you're the one who needs a rationality injection.

[michael christopher]

:rolleyes:
When you gonna offer one shred of evidence you exist?

I believe in the possibility of there being a reptilian Queen. I personally believe it's more probable than not.
If you can't understand it's possible that amongst all things created by your 'God' some of it are reptilian-based humanoids far older than the human race - and therefore far more technologically advanced - in a different star system where they have a hierarchy headed by a Queen, then you're the one who needs a rationality injection.

Okay then. You're right, I can't prove I exist. :rolleyes: Well, aside from the fact that I'm looking at my two hands right now, that I am a collection of thoughts and memories and emotional patterns, aside from the fact that I produce works which verify that I am a living mind, I just can't prove I exist! It's too hard! Just to show how fried your mind must be, let me point out the fact that you're reading this post means that I MUST exist.

That means there must be a reptilian Lizard Queen and all who question it or find it to be ridiculous are the irrational ones!

Very sound reasoning there.

[pound]

:rolleyes:
When you gonna offer one shred of evidence you exist?

I believe in the possibility of there being a reptilian Queen. I personally believe it's more probable than not.
If you can't understand it's possible that amongst all things created by your 'God' some of it are reptilian-based humanoids far older than the human race - and therefore far more technologically advanced - in a different star system where they have a hierarchy headed by a Queen, then you're the one who needs a rationality injection.


+1

As sophisticated a race as the Reptilians purportedly are, why wouldnt they have some sort of 'heirarchy' in place? Seems only natural to me.

[subl1minal]

Well they do, what do you think we're all under now?

[pound]

Well they do, what do you think we're all under now?


My thoughts exactly!

[the moral man]

:rolleyes:
When you gonna offer one shred of evidence you exist?

I believe in the possibility of there being a reptilian Queen. I personally believe it's more probable than not.
If you can't understand it's possible that amongst all things created by your 'God' some of it are reptilian-based humanoids far older than the human race - and therefore far more technologically advanced - in a different star system where they have a hierarchy headed by a Queen, then you're the one who needs a rationality injection.

Dear les_paul_robot
kind regards
I think that you should look at this article by michael christopher to understand what kind of man that you are debating with.


Monday, December 14, 2009
spirits + DNA
It's taken me a long time to realize this, but I believe that psychology is not antithetical to spirituality but in fact explanatory of it. A few months ago, maybe a year but I really can't remember, I first became exposed to the ideas of Carl Jung. Jung believed that the human psyche was "by nature religious."

I don't know if I would use the term religious, but I would use spiritual.

In my own research, I have found a lot of Jung's views to be almost qabalistic. They deal with the language of God speaking to use through signs and personal revelations in our own lives. In my meditations I have come to the conclusion that there is no "correct perception" however there are degrees of perception that can be classified as "healthy and unhealthy" - although that fact would be based on the perception of the observer. For instance, a serial killer might find his perception to be entirely healthy, although most of us would have to disagree. That's irrelevant though. I'm just saying, there are degrees of perception, but who can say what the degree of reality is?

There is more about Carl Jung here: Carl Jung

There can (arguably) be a way to objectively observe reality. For instance, if we both saw a leaf fall from the tree, we might not speak the same language, but we did (most likely however not definitely) see the same thing happen and thus we got the same "idea" of the observation. But two minds with different perception cannot have come to the same conclusion. Ever. Minds are made up of unique lives with different events, and our perceptions, based on our lack of sleep, based on our hormones or environment, etc. made decisions based on those events which led us all to unique conclusions. This is all beside the point of this post, although it is explaining how what may be an angel for you might be an impulse for me, or what might be a demon for me might be a bad habit for you.

I believe that spirits are archetypes. The spirit of Trickery would be the spirit that causes all people to wait to be naughty or do something shady. The Norse might have anthropomorphized the spirit of Trickery as Loki. The spirit of Justice was similarly called Zeus, or the spirit of Intellect was called Mercury or Hermes. These were just human ideals of these spirits, but of course, spirits don't have bodies. If they are self-aware, as some people believe, they might choose to communicate with us using the images which would most convey to us who they are. It's like a logo. Hence, Logos. The emanations of the spirits.

Now, I believe we are the emanations of these spirits. There are many spirits within us, that have left their mark. Once something is in us, as life will demonstrate, it tends to stay that way unless we take it out. It's not possession. It's the copying of a spirit, or perhaps the tapping into that spirit potential which exists in our DNA. Our hormones know anger, lust, love, hate, fury, oblivion, etc. Are these the spirits? It has been said in the past that humans are as gods, and yet we do not know it. As we evolve, are we becoming more able to control these spirits within ourselves, and decide which to draw on? DNA may be like a receiver that picks up on this energy, and not necessarily just some ancient program. This is my belief. I think there are spirits, but on a larger scale, and one which would take a longer post to explain, I think we are already all one spirit and we're - I am (You are) - creating play of shadows. Many theories as to why, but I will get into mine some other time, anyway.

These spirits are our different personalities. They are our own moods of Anger, Lust, Hate, Fear, etc. Insert your favorite emotion.

Sorry for the long post, I'm sure no one will read it anyway.



1. http://michaelchrisblog.blogspot.com/

The above article is so completely insane that it gave me a headache reading it.
If you think that michael christopher is worth debating with after writing the above then I would question your judgement.
yours thankfully
John

[conan1040]

Where is that picture from? because it looks like a painting to me.

this snapshot is most likely from the constellation of Orion, this is why it looks like painting because landscape of that planet is a bit like painting, it is not as solid as our terra, it's a different world, you know ....

[subl1minal]

this snapshot is most likely from the constellation of Orion, this is why it looks like painting because landscape of that planet is a bit like painting, it is not as solid as our terra, it's a different world, you know ....

Ah ok, I meant it's origin as in, who took it?

[conan1040]

Ah ok, I meant it's origin as in, who took it?

man, I didn't know you were seriously asking about it, I was just joking, it's just some moronic image painted by somebody with twisted mind ... sorry for misleading

[sine]

Hahahahaaha, here's a Reptilian Alien that's got the entire Planet wrapped up in it!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

:D:D:D:D:D: How's that for a Worm wrapped round a stick! :D:D:D:D

[les_paul_robot]

Okay then. You're right, I can't prove I exist. :rolleyes: Well, aside from the fact that I'm looking at my two hands right now, that I am a collection of thoughts and memories and emotional patterns, aside from the fact that I produce works which verify that I am a living mind, I just can't prove I exist! It's too hard! Just to show how fried your mind must be, let me point out the fact that you're reading this post means that I MUST exist.

That means there must be a reptilian Lizard Queen and all who question it or find it to be ridiculous are the irrational ones!

Very sound reasoning there.Exactly the text characters I would expect from a reptilian-denying, nonsensical venom-spouting algorithim.

Dear les_paul_robot
kind regards
I think that you should look at this article by michael christopher to understand what kind of man that you are debating with.

1. http://michaelchrisblog.blogspot.com/

The above article is so completely insane that it gave me a headache reading it.
If you think that michael christopher is worth debating with after writing the above then I would question your judgement.
yours thankfully
JohnLOL yes I see now. Thanks.

[subl1minal]

man, I didn't know you were seriously asking about it, I was just joking, it's just some moronic image painted by somebody with twisted mind ... sorry for misleading

Hahaha thought so!

I just saw it in the other thread anyway.

[the moral man]

LOL yes I see now. Thanks.

Dear les_paul_robot
kind regards
You did a good job of taking on michael christopher, but bear this in mind.
There is nothing that you can do to change michael christopher's viewpoint because he is an idealogue.
In michael christopher's mind, David Icke and The M5 Author have to be right to confirm that he is right in terms of writing about the truth.
It is no different than the different religious intellectuals clashing over the validity of their faith.
We can count ourselves somewhat lucky that we are only in the business of reading metaphysics and not writing books on the subject.
yours thankfully
John

[conan1040]

The greatest let down in my life was to discover that the majority of people are what the Illuminati think they are, stupid animals - Bill Cooper.

man, wasn't he right about that one ....

[retro_metro]

this one might very well be the image of that Orion Lizard Queen, it surely appears to be looking like some ET landscape and the posture of the creature seems to be like one of those ... shall we say royals ?

http://i46.tinypic.com/2eezqfn.jpg

Does she have any abilities?

[lyricusmagna]

Dear Friends
kind regards
David Icke was the first conspiracy theorist that talked about Reptilian rule of Earth.

Actually, you probably didn't know this, but Jordan Maxwell has been on the Reptilian thing since the 70s. Although nobody payed attention to him back then. Credo Mutwa is one of the people who talked about Reptilians the earliest as well.

Icke has talked about the Reptiles plan for World domination, he has even outlined the in-fighting among different Illuminati factions.

I have to point out that these are not real Illuminati, although that doesn't make them less dangerous or powerful. It depends what you define by the term Illuminati and Illuminati bloodlines.

He has even talked about how the power goes even beyond the mainstream Reptilian bloodlines (an example is how the Queen fears a Reptilian called Pindar).

I've heard this name before. i'll do a little research to see if I can find out more about it.

The M5 Author talks about the Orion Reptile Queen and she is known as the most powerful Reptilian in the ranks.
She is so terrifying that all of the mainstream Illuminati bloodline Reptilians known by name fear her.

Maybe the name Suttee rings a bell? There was (is?) an Orion Queen who's name when pronounced sounds like Suttee. Although I'm not sure if we are talking about a Reptilian here. The Constellation of Orion has many civilizations, many which are not Reptilian.

The Orion Reptile Queen will soon be returning to add this planet to the Orion Empire and take it back from the Rebel Queen.

Do you know the name of the Rebel Orion Queen?

I have heard as well, about plans of adding this planet to the Orion Group. And the return of the Alpha Draconians etc. I dunno how much is true, and if that happens, but there might be some truth to that.

Why hasn't David Icke mentioned the Orion Reptile Queen and what else is there to know about the Reptilians that Icke hasn't covered overall?
If you could contribute to this thread with your views and knowledge I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John

Maybe he wasn't exposed to that information? We can't blame him for that. Nobody knows the real truth, and is not privy to all the details pertaining to it. He did share a lot of other valuable information concerning the Reptilians and such.

What about this "Pindar", makes her so terrible (if she/it exists)? Why come all this way to take a tiny back-water planet to add to a theoretically vast empire, and wouldn't stretching out imperialistic forces too thin, be a bad idea for them?

Earth is a precious planet. At least to this sector of the galaxy. Also, have you noticed where our planet is placed? We are also needed. To some as a resource, to some as a fine experiment, to others as genetic equivalent of diamonds. A rarity.

Maybe the reason he hasn't covered it is he hasn't learned of it yet, he's still gathering information, or the person who's put this bit out has fabricated a lie designed to instill fear and panic among the alternative information community. :confused:[/COLOR]

I'd rather believe the first. Few others have confirmed Orions have matriarchal system involving a Queen. So I don't think this guy is a fraud. Yet.

All of these Matrix cultists

Do you even understand what a cult is? What it means?

use dreams - er, I'm sorry, "astral travel" - as the only evidence to back up their insane ideas. Never taking into account the fact that all dreams are personally symbolic and whatever personal symbols one feels most strongly about will manifest themselves in the dream state.

You know nothing of dreams, and apparently of astral traveling as well. Therefore, you only make yourself look stupid by criticizing other people about it.

Oh yeah, and it says so in the Matrix V, which is the Matrix Bible, and we all know that everyone who disagrees with the Matrix V is just a "minion incarnation" and thus can't be taken seriously. :rolleyes:

Judging by your other posts, I find it very difficult to take whatever you say seriously as well.

The only evidence that this "Orion lizard queen" even exists are dreams and the words of a shady character named Valdamar Valerian, who wrote the Matrix book series.

VV is not the writer. An excellent example of how well you have made your research. you don't know what you are talking about, yet you are comfortable criticizing it.

Spirits are psychological.

LOL. ok, the spiritual world is a psychological product.

You claim there is a physically existing Orion Lizard Queen who commands things. One doesn't have to have evidence to believe in psychological phenomena and to interpret it creatively.

Yeah, your post of psychological spirits is very creative. I interpret it in a slightly different way. I won't go into details, you won't like it.

But to actually make the claim that a living, breathing Lizard Queen from Orion who rules from a far off galaxy controls this planet is hilarious. And you call my reasoning absurd and crazy?

You have indications of this from many cultures around the world. Absurd is your persistence of criticism of something you clearly do not understand.

At least I have reasoning. At least I openly admit that spirits are not physically real and only psychological archetypes.

Another reason why you can't be taken serious as well.

Coincidentally, nothing in my belief system implies that some humans are less than others, as in your belief system. And yes, Matrix pushers are a cult.

In what way is he implying that some humans are lesser then others?

That is no different than what I said, read the post before you try to randomly select parts of it to make me look bad.

You are doing quite a good job in that yourself with your continual rotten attitude here on this thread.

I explain my definition of a spirit in the post quite clearly. And to say it's more absurd to believe that than to believe a reptilian lizard queen from the Orion star system is ruling our planet from a distant galaxy doesn't exactly make you look intelligent.

Did you present any proof of that theory of yours? No. Don't expect the same in return here.

I have read their material and I'm well aware of how it works and the types of people it creates. Namely, people like you.

Or you.

Any material can spawn likers and dislikers. Shame you are the latter one.

You still can't explain where you got the idea that a Lizard Queen rules from. Can you explain what evidence there is to support this theory, since it is an actual declaration of truth instead of an interpretation of reality as my beliefs are? I think they are two quite different systems of belief, as any intelligent person would.

Different people interpret reality differently. Some interpret reality the way you do, with your odd theories, some interpret reality the way Moral Man does. It's a normal thing. Stop criticizing.

He never said, "This is fact, if you deny it, you are stupid". Instead, he started an interesting discussion, which because of you, turned into just a pointless rant.

[lyricusmagna]

I won't stay out of the thread because I'm not breaking any rules and I see exactly how you censor people. "If you don't want to agree with me, you're not being productive and should stay out of the thread!"

A lot of people expressed their views on your posts and asked you politely to stop your ridiculous insults, yet you continue. No, you can still post here, only I don't know with what purpose, since you are not appreciated here.

I think I have every right to post what I think here. Coincidentally, simply because you claim that your theory "makes sense" does not make it true.

Neither does your odd theory about the psychological spirits.

I did address the things I write in my own blog, because nothing I said is out of the ordinary.

No? You need to rethink that one.

I interpret emotions to be those things which in the past we have identified as spirits. If you think that's non-sensical good for you, but in reality it's a personal interpretation.

After what is said in the bold, i don't think you have the right to say what's true and what's not.

I know you're grasping at straws and can't seem to come up with any other way of attacking me, but you're going to have to try harder. Show some evidence for your claims. What evidence exists that there is a Reptilian Queen from Orion running the show?

PRESENT

YOUR

EVIDENCE.

Evidence?

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. A very wise man once said this. Maybe you should look into what else he has to say ...

Besides, you ask for evidence and proof on a discussion forum? Dude, you seriously need a reality check. This is a place where people discuss and debate, yes, debate, in an intelligent manner, something you still need a lot of time to learn i guess ...

If you are after evidence and proof, go somewhere else, not here. Let people who have something to add to this topic, do so. Go somewhere where your opinions will be appreciated, and considered true, maybe some other thread. I'm sure you'll find one.

The Reptilians do not run a matriarchy. They favour males and are misogynistic and hateful towards the female sex.

Actually, I think it's the opposite. Some Reptilian species do have a matriarchal system. And besides, most of them were involved in creating the female prototype, why would they hate it? Doesn't make sense. They hate the males, not females IMO.

The Anunnaki are extremely jealous and resentful of the Divine Mother, the creative part of the Mother/Father Source. This can be seen throughout nearly all cultures and religions, which the Reptilians either created, altered or influenced heavily.

Anunnaki? That's a term that puts in one basket a lot of different civilizations, only one being Reptilian in nature. Be careful with words.

The Reptilians taught Human males to abuse mistreat and disrespect the females.

It's the Alpha Draconians who did that.

What a cop-out. And for the record, I have read extremely large chunks of Matrix V, and so many of it's claims have absolutely no basis in reality and provide no evidence to back them up. If there's strong evidence that there is a Lizard Queen (haha, highly doubtful), then it won't be much of a big deal for you to reproduce that evidence here. As it is, you're simply saying "BELIEVE ME OR GET OUT OF MY THREAD, AND I WILL NOT BOTHER TO BACK UP MY CLAIMS AT ALL! YET I STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO ATTACK YOU!"

How would you like to have the Orion Queen? Dead or alive?

Don't you care about not looking stupid?

Why would he? Do you?

It's not a matter of arguing with me, anyone who is interested in this would want the evidence.

But would not demand it on a discussion forum like you do. Look for your evidence outside.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why posting evidence to back up your assertion is a good idea.

AND BTW, I love how in order to see the evidence, I have to go pay a massive amount of money to buy the book. :rolleyes:

Also, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see how ridiculous it is to look for evidence of that type and magnitude on a discussion forum. I do not think that's a good idea.

[song_of_susannah]

Actually, I think it's the opposite. Reptilians do have a matriarchal system. And besides, they did create the female prototype, why would they hate it? Doesn't make sense. They hate the
males, not females.

Anunnaki? That's a term that puts in one basket a lot of different civilizations, only one being Reptilian in nature. Be careful with words.

It's the Alpha Draconians who did that.





Going through my post telling me I'm wrong, makes not one jot of difference to the Truth.

[lyricusmagna]

Going through my post telling me I'm wrong, makes not one jot of difference to the Truth.

"Truth" is different for everyone. If you think you hold the ultimate Truth and others do not doesn't make you right either. It just makes you look foolish. And this post of yours does not "prove" that you are correct and I'm wrong. You use terminology yet you don't understand what the same terminology means. How can I or anyone else take you seriously then?

I assume we have been exposed to different sources of information and that's fine with me. My point of replying was so we can start to discuss and compare info, and elaborate on what one and the other meant by saying what they said in the post. It seems you are not interested in that, so I'll just let it go.

Remember, just because somebody has a different opinion then you doesn't mean you can't discuss constructively.

[geezer661]

He should also look in to the British American project. It's an elitest organisation which includes t Blair, peter mandleson, Gordon brown

[humito]

he knows that it boils down to the house of "windsor"......remember david tries to inform the masses and the masses come unstuck at the reptile idea......................i think that "she" has almost fulfilled her role as killer queen and it is william arthur who we need to worry about......WILL...I ..AM............Arthur! the once and future king,he will sit on the throne and "proove" his christ bloodline with a dna match of the turin shroud....he will be the antichrist that sheeple will be convinced will save them.........its been planned for years .......

[song_of_susannah]

"Truth" is different for everyone. If you think you hold the ultimate Truth and others do not doesn't make you right either. It just makes you look foolish. And this post of yours does not "prove" that you are correct and I'm wrong. You use terminology yet you don't understand what the same terminology means. How can I or anyone else take you seriously then?

I assume we have been exposed to different sources of information and that's fine with me. My point of replying was so we can start to discuss and compare info, and elaborate on what one and the other meant by saying what they said in the post. It seems you are not interested in that, so I'll just let it go.

Remember, just because somebody has a different opinion then you doesn't mean you can't discuss constructively.



You made it clear in your first post to me, that in your opinion, I am wrong.

The points you make in the above post are indeed the same points I can of course make in regard to your perception of truth.

We are all entitled to state our truth on these boards.

Discussion and debate are fine, but if certain 'information' and 'knowledge' resonates with an individual and their heart is set, it is obvious that lines in the sand will have already been drawn.

[lordzoma]

The Anunnaki are extremely jealous and resentful of the Divine Mother, the creative part of the Mother/Father Source.


According to the Yin / Yang, the sinking, dark female yin force is the destructive force, whereas the rising, light male yang force is the creative force.

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The doctrines of Yin and Yang and five elements can be understood as the basis of the Chinese understanding of the nature of the cosmos. The Yin-Yang doctrine teaches that everything is the product of two principles: Yin, which is weak, female and destructive and Yang, which is strong, male and creative. It is the interaction of these two principles that produces the arising of the five elements and enables change to take place within the world.
Wu hsing means five movements and when we talk of five elements we have to remember that they represent a dynamic process and not the 'elements' that come together to produce things. The five elements are not physical substances, they represent cyclic movements. There are two orders of the five elements, that of production;- wood, fire, earth, metal, water; and that of overcoming:- fire is overcome by water, water by earth, earth by wood and wood by metal, producing the series, fire, water, earth, wood, metal. This idea was developed to cover all things, and many lists of correspondence were produced. These lists are generally given with the elements arranged in the order of production. Here are just a few of the major correspondences, which relate to both the natural world - in the case of the seasons and directions and the human world of 'discrimination' - in the case of tastes and emotions. However, the important point is that things that relate to human activity and the activity of nature are woven together in these lists.

Wood Fire Earth Metal Water
Direction East South Centre West North
Colour Green Red Yellow White Black
Tastes Sour Bitter Sweet Acrid Salty
Emotion Anger Joy Pensive Grief Fear
Seasons Spring Summer Autumn Winter

There are five elements and four seasons, thus the earth becomes assigned to the centre thereby aiding the other elements in the 'rule' of the seasons. This gives us a view of earth as the pivot around which the seasons revolve. However, there are some who assign mid-summer as earth's season and others who say that the mid-month of each season corresponds to earth. Tung Chung-Shu talks of earth as controlling nothing in particular but being the central authority of the four seasons. He writes "The Earth is the controller of the five elements and without the ch'i of the soil nothing can be accomplished". (Ch'un Ch'iu Fan Lu. Wu Hsing Chih Yi Chapter) The cause of the movements of the elements is the yin ch'i and the yang ch'i which alternate between flourishing and declining. Here we have the three most important concepts of Chinese thought brought together, yin-yang, wu hsing and ch'i. Ch'i has a wide variety of meaning, we can speak of yin ch'i tang ch'i, the ch'i of each of the five elements, the ch'i of social order, the ch'i of the individual. Each 'thing' is considered to have its proper ch'i and the movement of ch'i gives us the movement of yin and yang through the five elements. Each element is said to flourish when its ch'i is yang and to decline when its ch'i is yin, thus seasonal changes are caused by the flourishing and decline of Yin-Yang. This shows the cyclic nature of the perpetual motion of all changes.
This cosmological theory was developed by thinkers of all later schools. The concepts were used to correlate human actions with the actions of nature. This idea, in differing expressions, was used by both Confucian and Taoist philosophers during the Han Dynasty. The Confucians used it to develop political and ethical ideas whilst the Taoists concentrated on the direct relationship between individuals and nature. Both the public and the private areas of life were covered with these concepts. As it is the way of nature to process through periods of flourishing and decline so it is with human affairs. The patterns of nature are reflected in both the life of the individual and of the wider society.

There was one further area that was covered with these concepts, that of History. History was cyclic, as it was considered to be the counterpart in the human sphere of the cycles of the universe. It is this cyclic notion of the myriad things and the centrality of change that makes Chinese thinkers so different from those of other traditions. Unlike their Japanese, Jewish or Christian counterparts they did not assign a temporal beginning to the universe, neither did they talk of the end of the universe. In the Yin-Yang/Five Elements theory time itself is a series of cycles based upon the movement of the planets. For these thinkers time extends indefinitely into the past and the future. As long as there is motion in the universe there is time and thereby change. There is no idea of a creator, because there is no beginning and as long as the planets are in motion there can be no end. These ideas are direct developments of the cosmological theory.
It is the interdependent interaction of Yin-Yang and Wu Hsing that sustains everything. The concepts of Yin-Yang and Five Elements have a great influence in Chinese life, from the Emperor to the ordinary people all are governed by these ideas of the relations between humans and nature. Yin-Yang nurture and produce the myriad things, the Five Elements describe their natural progression through their 'life'. All things have their natural state of activity, and are connected together by the ch'i of each of the myriad things. Thus humans and nature, heaven and earth, the individual and society are bound together in a harmonious relationship. The scholars concentrated on the metaphysical and cosmological aspects of these ideas, whilst the 'ordinary people' used them to give authority to the various forms of divination that developed over the years. These ideas permeate all areas of Chinese thought and action, and form the ground of Chinese culture and civilisation for over two thousand years.


The concepts of yin-yang and five elements are thought to have developed separately in ancient times and it is not until the Han Dynasty that we find them linked together in the school they retrospectively named Yin-Yang. Tsou Yen (-305-204?) is said to be the principle thinker of this school and he is credited with bringing the two concepts together, but the work attributed to him is lost. The ideas were developed further by Tung Chung-Shu (-179-104?). The ancients used these concepts for magic and divination although they are thought to represent different strands of these practices. In the warring states and early Han period they are used to develop a sophisticated cosmology. The Five Elements are discussed in the Great Norm chapter of the Book of History but there is no comparable discussion on Yin-Yang. These concepts appear in the later texts as 'given' ideas which are then developed as ways of 'explaining' all phenomena. Yet they are not discussed together in any of the Confucian or Taoist Classics of an early date.

Yin-Yang concepts were developed in the early Han by Tung Chung-Shu and the compilers of the appendices (wings) of the I Ching. Tung built up a body of correspondence that related the complementary principles of Yin-Yang to all phases of creation. Yin was related to the ideas of female, the moon, cold, water, earth, autumn and winter, it is also the nourisher and sustainer of the 'myriad things'. Yin and Yang continue to succeed each other and as each 'force' reaches its extreme it becomes the other, thus producing a never ending cycle. This constant progression was used to explain the process of growth and change in the natural world.

The appendices of the I Ching expanded and developed the Yin-Yang concept into a comprehensive cosmology. The first two hexagrams Ch'ien (heaven) and K'un (earth) were equated with Yang and Ying respectively. These forces then assumed a metaphysical dimension and heaven and earth, male and female become the 'creators and sustainers' of all the other hexagrams. The sixty four hexagrams come to represent all possible situations and changes in the universe. The study of the hexagrams, and their interpretations, enabled the scholar to understand the activities of the universe, which once expanded reveal the endless process of universal change. All things and all changes can be described in terms of Yin-Yang activity and this is then developed further by the concept of the five elements.


The two opposing energies or pinciples, Yin and Yang, are depicted in the form of two interlocked tadpoles, one white and one black. The white tadpole has a black spot in it and the white tadpole a black spot in it. The yin-yang symbol expresses the interaction between these two forces; the two spots denote that each principle contains the seed of its opposite which it will produce through interacting with its opposite.


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Most people call the earth 'Mother' Earth, and consider the female quality of the earth to be that which creates life. This is a misrepresentation of the duality of the planet. While the planet is BOTH male and female, it is, in fact, the yang fatherly force that is responsible for the creation of all life, while the feminine ying energy is symbolic of destruction.


PS - This thread is a perfect example of people who prefer to destroy any reasonable discussion regarding the primary topic, and instead de-rail the thread with nonsense about who is right and wrong, and give just about every reason why the conversation should not take place.

The REALITY, is that there is, indeed, a female at the head of the Orion empire. If you aren't aware of this, you simply, are not aware.

It sure would be nice if people could use this thread as a place to discuss what they know of this particular entity, and share observations and information to propel the conversation in a positive direction. It sure is too bad that there are people out there whose primary motives are negative at the core, and seek to prevent and hamper productive discussion.

[lordzoma]

PS - I would advise anyone seriously interested in the ORION Queen to read the following thread:

http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42058

Within that thread I have reposted a portion of the book by Robert Morning Sky which contains the story told to his tribe of indians by the ET known as Star Elder.

[tortle]

The Orion Queen runs her empire through telepathy and the hive-mind of the negative ETs (the Orion group) etc.

She's sort of like the borg queen, or the reverend mothers in Dune.

[lyricusmagna]

You made it clear in your first post to me, that in your opinion, I am wrong.

The points you make in the above post are indeed the same points I can of course make in regard to your perception of truth.

We are all entitled to state our truth on these boards.

Discussion and debate are fine, but if certain 'information' and 'knowledge' resonates with an individual and their heart is set, it is obvious that lines in the sand will have already been drawn.


Actually, I think it's the opposite. Some Reptilian species do have a matriarchal system. And besides, most of them were involved in creating the female prototype, why would they hate it? Doesn't make sense. They hate the males, not females IMO.

Anunnaki? That's a term that puts in one basket a lot of different civilizations, only one being Reptilian in nature. Be careful with words.

It's the Alpha Draconians who did that.

I have stated that what I say is what I think is true, and its in my opinion. I don't claim rights to the ultimate truth. What I thought was, that you answer with reply where we can compare info. It's ok if you don't want to.

And afcourse what I said in my last post goes for me as well. I know that.

[song_of_susannah]

According to the Yin / Yang, the sinking, dark female yin force is the destructive force, whereas the rising, light male yang force is the creative force.

--------------------------------
The doctrines of Yin and Yang and five elements can be understood as the basis of the Chinese understanding of the nature of the cosmos. The Yin-Yang doctrine teaches that everything is the product of two principles: Yin, which is weak, female and destructive and Yang, which is strong, male and creative. It is the interaction of these two principles that produces the arising of the five elements and enables change to take place within the world.
Wu hsing means five movements and when we talk of five elements we have to remember that they represent a dynamic process and not the 'elements' that come together to produce things. The five elements are not physical substances, they represent cyclic movements. There are two orders of the five elements, that of production;- wood, fire, earth, metal, water; and that of overcoming:- fire is overcome by water, water by earth, earth by wood and wood by metal, producing the series, fire, water, earth, wood, metal. This idea was developed to cover all things, and many lists of correspondence were produced. These lists are generally given with the elements arranged in the order of production. Here are just a few of the major correspondences, which relate to both the natural world - in the case of the seasons and directions and the human world of 'discrimination' - in the case of tastes and emotions. However, the important point is that things that relate to human activity and the activity of nature are woven together in these lists.

Wood Fire Earth Metal Water
Direction East South Centre West North
Colour Green Red Yellow White Black
Tastes Sour Bitter Sweet Acrid Salty
Emotion Anger Joy Pensive Grief Fear
Seasons Spring Summer Autumn Winter

There are five elements and four seasons, thus the earth becomes assigned to the centre thereby aiding the other elements in the 'rule' of the seasons. This gives us a view of earth as the pivot around which the seasons revolve. However, there are some who assign mid-summer as earth's season and others who say that the mid-month of each season corresponds to earth. Tung Chung-Shu talks of earth as controlling nothing in particular but being the central authority of the four seasons. He writes "The Earth is the controller of the five elements and without the ch'i of the soil nothing can be accomplished". (Ch'un Ch'iu Fan Lu. Wu Hsing Chih Yi Chapter) The cause of the movements of the elements is the yin ch'i and the yang ch'i which alternate between flourishing and declining. Here we have the three most important concepts of Chinese thought brought together, yin-yang, wu hsing and ch'i. Ch'i has a wide variety of meaning, we can speak of yin ch'i tang ch'i, the ch'i of each of the five elements, the ch'i of social order, the ch'i of the individual. Each 'thing' is considered to have its proper ch'i and the movement of ch'i gives us the movement of yin and yang through the five elements. Each element is said to flourish when its ch'i is yang and to decline when its ch'i is yin, thus seasonal changes are caused by the flourishing and decline of Yin-Yang. This shows the cyclic nature of the perpetual motion of all changes.
This cosmological theory was developed by thinkers of all later schools. The concepts were used to correlate human actions with the actions of nature. This idea, in differing expressions, was used by both Confucian and Taoist philosophers during the Han Dynasty. The Confucians used it to develop political and ethical ideas whilst the Taoists concentrated on the direct relationship between individuals and nature. Both the public and the private areas of life were covered with these concepts. As it is the way of nature to process through periods of flourishing and decline so it is with human affairs. The patterns of nature are reflected in both the life of the individual and of the wider society.

There was one further area that was covered with these concepts, that of History. History was cyclic, as it was considered to be the counterpart in the human sphere of the cycles of the universe. It is this cyclic notion of the myriad things and the centrality of change that makes Chinese thinkers so different from those of other traditions. Unlike their Japanese, Jewish or Christian counterparts they did not assign a temporal beginning to the universe, neither did they talk of the end of the universe. In the Yin-Yang/Five Elements theory time itself is a series of cycles based upon the movement of the planets. For these thinkers time extends indefinitely into the past and the future. As long as there is motion in the universe there is time and thereby change. There is no idea of a creator, because there is no beginning and as long as the planets are in motion there can be no end. These ideas are direct developments of the cosmological theory.
It is the interdependent interaction of Yin-Yang and Wu Hsing that sustains everything. The concepts of Yin-Yang and Five Elements have a great influence in Chinese life, from the Emperor to the ordinary people all are governed by these ideas of the relations between humans and nature. Yin-Yang nurture and produce the myriad things, the Five Elements describe their natural progression through their 'life'. All things have their natural state of activity, and are connected together by the ch'i of each of the myriad things. Thus humans and nature, heaven and earth, the individual and society are bound together in a harmonious relationship. The scholars concentrated on the metaphysical and cosmological aspects of these ideas, whilst the 'ordinary people' used them to give authority to the various forms of divination that developed over the years. These ideas permeate all areas of Chinese thought and action, and form the ground of Chinese culture and civilisation for over two thousand years.


The concepts of yin-yang and five elements are thought to have developed separately in ancient times and it is not until the Han Dynasty that we find them linked together in the school they retrospectively named Yin-Yang. Tsou Yen (-305-204?) is said to be the principle thinker of this school and he is credited with bringing the two concepts together, but the work attributed to him is lost. The ideas were developed further by Tung Chung-Shu (-179-104?). The ancients used these concepts for magic and divination although they are thought to represent different strands of these practices. In the warring states and early Han period they are used to develop a sophisticated cosmology. The Five Elements are discussed in the Great Norm chapter of the Book of History but there is no comparable discussion on Yin-Yang. These concepts appear in the later texts as 'given' ideas which are then developed as ways of 'explaining' all phenomena. Yet they are not discussed together in any of the Confucian or Taoist Classics of an early date.

Yin-Yang concepts were developed in the early Han by Tung Chung-Shu and the compilers of the appendices (wings) of the I Ching. Tung built up a body of correspondence that related the complementary principles of Yin-Yang to all phases of creation. Yin was related to the ideas of female, the moon, cold, water, earth, autumn and winter, it is also the nourisher and sustainer of the 'myriad things'. Yin and Yang continue to succeed each other and as each 'force' reaches its extreme it becomes the other, thus producing a never ending cycle. This constant progression was used to explain the process of growth and change in the natural world.

The appendices of the I Ching expanded and developed the Yin-Yang concept into a comprehensive cosmology. The first two hexagrams Ch'ien (heaven) and K'un (earth) were equated with Yang and Ying respectively. These forces then assumed a metaphysical dimension and heaven and earth, male and female become the 'creators and sustainers' of all the other hexagrams. The sixty four hexagrams come to represent all possible situations and changes in the universe. The study of the hexagrams, and their interpretations, enabled the scholar to understand the activities of the universe, which once expanded reveal the endless process of universal change. All things and all changes can be described in terms of Yin-Yang activity and this is then developed further by the concept of the five elements.


The two opposing energies or pinciples, Yin and Yang, are depicted in the form of two interlocked tadpoles, one white and one black. The white tadpole has a black spot in it and the white tadpole a black spot in it. The yin-yang symbol expresses the interaction between these two forces; the two spots denote that each principle contains the seed of its opposite which it will produce through interacting with its opposite.


----------------

Most people call the earth 'Mother' Earth, and consider the female quality of the earth to be that which creates life. This is a misrepresentation of the duality of the planet. While the planet is BOTH male and female, it is, in fact, the yang fatherly force that is responsible for the creation of all life, while the feminine ying energy is symbolic of destruction.


PS - This thread is a perfect example of people who prefer to destroy any reasonable discussion regarding the primary topic, and instead de-rail the thread with nonsense about who is right and wrong, and give just about every reason why the conversation should not take place.

The REALITY, is that there is, indeed, a female at the head of the Orion empire. If you aren't aware of this, you simply, are not aware.

It sure would be nice if people could use this thread as a place to discuss what they know of this particular entity, and share observations and information to propel the conversation in a positive direction. It sure is too bad that there are people out there whose primary motives are negative at the core, and seek to prevent and hamper productive discussion.



I don't agree with the majority of information you have posted.

I was already aware of this material and I do not concur with the basic premise that the Reptilians operate a matriarchal system.

If by 'creation of all life' you are talking about the creation of the virtual reality and everything in it, then I certainly do agree with 'the Fatherly force' being responsible.

The majority of FMs on this thread appear to agree with the OP, and FMs are free to discuss the subject 'til their hearts content.

[sine]

Rolf! All this seem's a bit far fetched as in Illuminati Reptilian's when the Nazi's stole the symbolism of the twin serpent's wrapping themselves rounabout a rod from the Bible for their Global Heatlh Org so they'ed have plenty of patient's to fiddle with, and the U.S. stole another version for their Doller - $, and all the time both these symbol's are right in you're face daily taking the piss, and yet no one remember's why Shakespeare wrote "I shall wrap a girdle roundabout the Earth" mean's!

I'll tell you one thing, Freemasons and Illuminist's don't have enough neural energy in the right hemisphere's of their brain's to kill of their infestation of neural nit's; they've all got Alzheimer's. Parkinson's, Turner's and Senile Dementia's, and dying from telling themselve's infertile bullsHitleritus 24/7, and if you can't understand what you're twin solar plexus nerve's are doing wrapped roundabout you're spinal rod's and meeting face to face in you're brain stem, i.e; Aten, then you're doomed by you're own repitilan inner selves already! :D:D:D

[pound]

Just came across these awesome pictures taken very recently by the European VISTA telescope....These are of the Orion Nebula. The Dracs are in there somewhere:)

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/wiredscience/2010/02/eso1006a-660x811.jpg

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/wiredscience/2010/02/eso1006b-660x660.jpg

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/02/vista-orion/

[lyricusmagna]

Just came across these awesome pictures taken very recently by the European VISTA telescope....These are of the Orion Nebula. The Dracs are in there somewhere:)


Actually the Draconians are near Antares right now. They will have a meeting with a group of civilizations from the Constellation of Sagittarius and some civilization from the Andromeda constellation. After that they head to Bootes. Orions are acting independently for now. Till the head of command gets back.

[lordzoma]

Actually the Draconians are near Antares right now. They will have a meeting with a group of civilizations from the Constellation of Sagittarius and some civilization from the Andromeda constellation. After that they head to Bootes. Orions are acting independently for now. Till the head of command gets back.

Source?

[lyricusmagna]

Source?

Contact.

[sine]

What drug's are you lot on, ROLF! :D:D:D

[lyricusmagna]

What drug's are you lot on, ROLF! :D:D:D

Sometimes due to intensity of the experiences I do wish I was on drugs so I can have an excuse for myself and others about what happened, but unfortunately that's not the case. Then again, you can think what you want. I'm not here to convince anyone of the validity of my information/sources or anyone else's information/sources for that matter.

[magenta_moonshadow]

What drug's are you lot on, ROLF! :D:D:D

Agreed, there's some serious wacky baccy doing the rounds here...that's what happens when you trip out whilst watching Dr. Who! :D

[lyricusmagna]

Agreed, there's some serious wacky baccy doing the rounds here...that's what happens when you trip out whilst watching Dr. Who! :D

What drug's are you lot on, ROLF! :D:D:D

Fine example of Trolletariat.

[magenta_moonshadow]

Fine example of Trolletariat.

Actually the Draconians are near Antares right now. They will have a meeting with a group of civilizations from the Constellation of Sagittarius and some civilization from the Andromeda constellation. After that they head to Bootes. Orions are acting independently for now. Till the head of command gets back.

Fine example of bullshit!:D

Btw, I like the way the Aliens use the same names for stars and constellation that we do, considering that from their vantage points the star groups would be completely different... And what's with all the meetings? They've mastered interstellar travel but not conference calls? Pfft!!

[lyricusmagna]

Fine example of bullshit!:D

Btw, I like the way the Aliens use the same names for stars and constellation that we do, considering that from their vantage points the star groups would be completely different... And what's with all the meetings? They've mastered interstellar travel but not conference calls? Pfft!!

Yes, groups of stars look different from their point of origin, which is why i use human terminology so people can actually understand where this happens. Why do they have meetings? I don't know. I do know they have them.

Like I have said before, your brain hasn't evolved yet to understand certain things. There's time, you will grow up.

Till then, you're ignored. Ciao! :)

[magenta_moonshadow]

Yes, groups of stars look different from their point of origin, which is why i use human terminology so people can actually understand where this happens. Why do they have meetings? I don't know. I do know they have them.

Why not ask them, seeing as you're privy to all their business?;)

Like I have said before, your brain hasn't evolved yet to understand certain things. There's time, you will grow up.

My brain is fine, thanks. And the only direction I'm growing now is sideways...

Till then, you're ignored. Ciao! :)

Bye! :p

[sloughi]

Dear Friends
kind regards
David Icke was the first conspiracy theorist that talked about Reptilian rule of Earth.
Icke has talked about the Reptiles plan for World domination, he has even outlined the in-fighting among different Illuminati factions.
He has even talked about how the power goes even beyond the mainstream Reptilian bloodlines (an example is how the Queen fears a Reptilian called Pindar).
The M5 Author talks about the Orion Reptile Queen and she is known as the most powerful Reptilian in the ranks.
She is so terrifying that all of the mainstream Illuminati bloodline Reptilians known by name fear her.
The Orion Reptile Queen will soon be returning to add this planet to the Orion Empire and take it back from the Rebel Queen.
Why hasn't David Icke mentioned the Orion Reptile Queen and what else is there to know about the Reptilians that Icke hasn't covered overall?
If you could contribute to this thread with your views and knowledge I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
JohnYou missed a LOT of information. David has discussed Pindar before and state that that thing is already here.
PINDAR...........The Lizard King??????????

Do you know the Lizard King????? Is Pindar real?????
According to David Icke, the heirarchy goes like this :

Reptilian 'Royalty' : Winged reptilians, with the highest caste being the Albino type (similar to Pindar).

Reptoids : Wingless reptilians. They are the ones described as having larger scales on their backs and three fingers with an opposing thumb.

Greys : Described as being either drone-like slaves of the reptilians or an extraterrestrial life-form allied to them.

Humans : We're at the bottom, but why doesn't that surprise me ?

The Reptilians are described as being between 5 and 12 feet tall. There are several types.

Also from Icke's research: "Pindar attends the major Satanic ceremonies in Europe and then flies to California for the rituals there".

Later in the book (Biggest Secret), Icke says that "Pindar, the 'Marquis de Libeaux' travels in a white limousine (A 'code-white' is a code understood by judges, police, the military etc and it means: look the other way or do not prosecute this person)."

On page 453 of the same book, Icke states that " ... the Queen makes cruel remarks about lesser initiates, but is afraid of the man code-named 'Pindar' (the Marquis de Libeaux) who is higher than her in Satanic rank. Pindar, apparently, bears a resemblance to Prince Charles. Arizona Wilder says that Pindar is Charles' real father."
http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/pindar.htm

[royq]

Actually the Draconians are near Antares right now. They will have a meeting with a group of civilizations from the Constellation of Sagittarius and some civilization from the Andromeda constellation. After that they head to Bootes. Orions are acting independently for now. Till the head of command gets back.

Record the rest of your life, 24/7. I want to see one of these bullshit "experiences" you have.

[horus13]

oh dear. reptilian queens from orion and inter-stellar meetings? i suggest some should induge your imaginations by reading some science 'fiction'. this is why anything remotely near the truth will never get taken seriously.

[lyricusmagna]

oh dear. reptilian queens from orion and inter-stellar meetings? i suggest some should induge your imaginations by reading some science 'fiction'. this is why anything remotely near the truth will never get taken seriously.

Define what truth is. Then we can argue whether it should be taken serious or not.

Record the rest of your life, 24/7. I want to see one of these bullshit "experiences" you have.

I do not own a camera. They don't like them either. If i did have photos, audio/video material, don't you think that instead of talking I would present that? If my point was to show evidence of what I talk about.

Besides, forums are for discussion, not proving things. Search for proof elsewhere. If I had a proof, I wouldn't be exactly posting that on an internet forum.

[magenta_moonshadow]

Define what truth is. Then we can argue whether it should be taken serious or not.



I do not own a camera. They don't like them either. If i did have photos, audio/video material, don't you think that instead of talking I would present that? If my point was to show evidence of what I talk about.

Besides, forums are for discussion, not proving things. Search for proof elsewhere. If I had a proof, I wouldn't be exactly posting that on an internet forum.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence...:rolleyes:

Seems I'm not the only one calling 'bullshit' on this...:p

[question mark]

Every time I hear about this Orion Queen I can't help but think of those green Orion Slave girls from star trek. XD

No she looks very much like your picture except replace the eyes with the swirling milky way within them.

[question mark]

Moral does she have the bolt symbol?

Yes that is correct the queen has a round crown and at the front of it there is a bolt of lightening who the queen inherited from her father who you humans would percieve as god.

[question mark]

The Reptilians do not run a matriarchy. They favour males and are misogynistic and hateful towards the female sex.

The Anunnaki are extremely jealous and resentful of the Divine Mother, the creative part of the Mother/Father Source. This can be seen throughout nearly all cultures and religions, which the Reptilians either created, altered or influenced heavily.

The Reptilians taught Human males to abuse mistreat and disrespect the females.

Reptilian consciousness is found in both male and female, but the traits remain the same.

On the contary we fully understand that the universe is infact feminine, and society should be centred around the female as she is infact the full manifestitation of the universe. It is the alpha draco who you would deem as the great grand children of the queen who have a completly different philosophy and feel that the universe should be only governed in the masculine principle. They also believe that they are heirs to the universe and because of that they should conquer everything. They have been expolsed from the orion empire a long time ago and are infact trying to set up their own empire which the queen as well as other universal confederations will not have. :)

[question mark]

Awesome thread Moral Man. I was doing a bit of research on the Nephilim just a few days ago and I ran across an interesting morsel of information that I hadnt recalled ever seeing in any of Ickes books (maybe, but I dont recall for the life of me!). Basically back in Mesopotamian times the peoples of the Aramaic culture IE 'Aram' (central Syria) used to refer to the Orion Constellation as "Nephilia", implying that Orion was the homeland of the so called 'Nephilim". This would partially explain the ancient obsession of aligning buildings with the Orion constellation amongst numerous other things.
And of course many people speculate that the biblical Nephilim and they're offspring (emim, rephaim, anakim, nagas, zazzummin, chithuari etc...) were in fact the so called 'draco' Reptilian race. So I thought the correlation between these entities and this Reptilian queen that your mentioning was interesting!

http://arcana.wikidot.com/nephilim

The nephilim would be the men of great renown and would be kings of ancient society. After reptilians who got expolsed from orion they went on to set up their empire in alpha draco and from there on started conquering other solar systems. When they conquered other solar systems they would make highbrid lines aka the nephilim to rule in their stead. Again this has nothing to do with us we are not their offspring. if anything they are defects of us.

[question mark]

Dear michael christopher
kind regards
In response to your comments.



Your theory is most absurd of anything that I have yet to see.
Emotions are different spirits within us?
The truth is that emotions are apart of our human makeup and are apart of our experience.



Your belief system is a joke, you got your beliefs out of thin air, it surprises me that the tooth fairy isn't a demi-god that you pray to.
The Matrix V readers are not apart of any cult, they are simply people who buy the books and add them to the other books that they have.
Look at the people who have read M5 on this forum, many of them on here don't even agree with everything that The Author says.
Furthermore, if you have talked to The Author via email (as I have), you'll know that he neither wants followers or friends.
Both David Icke and The Author of Matrix V put out information and allow the readers to take or decline whatever they wish and you would know this if you bothered to read their material.
yours thankfully
John

I have read the V materials and have to say this. Mary mother of jesus is a mockery of the queen as she isnt a virign neither does she claim to be; She has had what you call sexual intercourse once. She was banned however by the universal council because of the consequences it caused to the universe.
the queen has no desire to take over this planet neither does she want to be worshipped as she already knows what she is. Why does a chief creator need to be worshipped?? she wants you 'earthlings' to make the asscension just in a positive manner and not a negative manner as you will be following the one you attribute to the biblical satan who directs PINDAR. Remember Pindar only means phallace of the dragon as osiris's body chopped into pieces with his penis not being found!

[omnisense]

The Reptilians do not run a matriarchy. They favour males and are misogynistic and hateful towards the female sex.

The Anunnaki are extremely jealous and resentful of the Divine Mother, the creative part of the Mother/Father Source. This can be seen throughout nearly all cultures and religions, which the Reptilians either created, altered or influenced heavily.

The Reptilians taught Human males to abuse mistreat and disrespect the females.

Reptilian consciousness is found in both male and female, but the traits remain the same.

In my ET contacts I have heard this too.

[question mark]

In my ET contacts I have heard this too.

Theres a grid around the earth. your channeling entities that are allied to the draco who did this. i assure you our culture is based around the queen.

[song_of_susannah]

Theres a grid around the earth. your channeling entities that are allied to the draco who did this. i assure you our culture is based around the queen.


Any analysis of cultures, religions etc that prevail on Earth, will surely confirm that patriarchy and misogyny have in fact dominated.

It was not always so for Humans. I reiterate, through various means Human males were programmed to embrace Reptilian attitudes towards females.

Of course, not all males are misogynistic and females often collude with societies devaluing of the feminine :)

[pete_staker]

The Reptilians taught Human males to abuse mistreat and disrespect the females.

So who taught females to clear off with best mates, taking the house, kids and dogs with them ?

:mad:

Pete

[song_of_susannah]

The Reptilians taught Human males to abuse mistreat and disrespect the females.

So who taught females to clear off with best mates, taking the house, kids and dogs with them ?

:mad:

Pete



Exactly the point.

Disharmony between the sexes, selfishness and the general deterioration of relationships has not happened by accident.

It has been cultivated and encouraged and now pervades all consciousness.

[dmt head]

Interesting thread moral man! :cool:

Sometimes due to intensity of the experiences I do wish I was on drugs so I can have an excuse for myself and others about what happened, but unfortunately that's not the case. Then again, you can think what you want. I'm not here to convince anyone of the validity of my information/sources or anyone else's information/sources for that matter.

What expereinces are you talking about?

Really enjoyed reading your posts lyricus! Specially when putting angry michael in his place! :D

oh dear. reptilian queens from orion and inter-stellar meetings? i suggest some should induge your imaginations by reading some science 'fiction'. this is why anything remotely near the truth will never get taken seriously.

Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction! ;)

[totalrecall]

The Reptilians taught Human males to abuse mistreat and disrespect the females.



What does "disrespect", "abuse" and "mistreat" mean to you?

Would you say hitting a female physically is mistreating? Why did the man hit the woman? I agree that that is a negative act, however undoubtedly the woman provoked the reaction by her shouting and screaming incessantly and so the negativity "started" there and he ended it completing the circle. In actual fact, there was no start IMO. They were attracted to each other through their own actions. The "nagged" and the "nagger" are equal in their negative circle. The key is for one or both parties to break free from such a circle IMO. This is done by working on one's negative traits.

IMO there are no victims and villains in relationships. We only dance.

The poor woman thing holds absolutely no water in my camp. The woman has traditionally been the more conniving and emotionally stronger of the two species. Men don't scheme generally as a gender. If anything the snake and woman joined forces to control man.

But this is all absolutely irrelevant if we convert our negative traits into the positive. Then women will no longer be required to be dog trainers and men will no longer be dogs.

[connection]

What does "disrespect", "abuse" and "mistreat" mean to you?

Huh?

What does "disrespect", "abuse" and "mistreat" mean to anyone?

Violence, unrightful treatment.

Would you say hitting a female physically is mistreating?Yes. Personally, I would.

Why did the man hit the woman? I agree that that is a negative act,Why?

The only justification for ANYONE hitting ANYONE is in self defence.

They hit first, you hit back, you have a right to.

Did she hit him?

And ofc it is a negative act!

There is no justification for ANYONE hitting ANYONE, unless in self defence. As I said.

however undoubtedly the woman provoked the reaction by her shouting and screaming incessantly and so the negativity "started" there and he ended it completing the circle.What?!

If the woman didn't hit the man, the man shouldn't hit her. (Even if she did, it's very debatable whether he should)

Undoubtedly?... some people will just hit women because they are stupid, dumb, sexist people. But, to use your example situation, there's only so far provoking can go. Even if she was screaming incessantly, that gives him no right to hit her.

And there's negativity in a lot of things... but we don't hit anyone that shows it.



In actual fact, there was no start IMO. They were attracted to each other through their own actions. The "nagged" and the "nagger" are equal in their negative circle. The key is for one or both parties to break free from such a circle IMO. This is done by working on one's negative traits.Are we talking about the Law of Attraction here?

There are so many ways in which that 'Law' is sick and twisted, but it is karma, and karma IS sick and twisted, imo.

To break the 'negative circle', the man doesn't have to hit the woman. Simple as. To break the 'negative circle', it's as simple as to leave the relationship. Sure, that might come with complications, but that gives him NO RIGHT to hit the woman!

IMO there are no victims and villains in relationships. We only dance.That's like saying there's no good, no evil. Hey - if there's NWO, and that's bad, then if we oppose it, and are "good", so there's clearly good and bad.

Ofc there are victims and "villains"!
Don't look at things through clouded spectacles, take in the full view clearly - ofc there are men who abuse women, and surely vice versa.

Women were slaves once, but I guess they weren't victims, right?

The poor woman thing holds absolutely no water in my camp.Well, your camp could be seen as narrowly minded then.

It depends what the woman has done. If she hits him, (it would have to match his own strength,) perhaps then it COULD be seen as excusable, but ONLY if it matches his own strength, you know, extreme circumstances. If, as in your example situation, she hasn't physically attacked him to match his own strength, but only verbally, then he has no right to use all of his strength against her, physically hitting her... as I've said, NO RIGHT.

The woman has traditionally been the more conniving and emotionally stronger of the two species.Not really. Depends on the person. You can't just say it's the WOMEN it's all the WOMEN's doing, they are forever CUNNING and PLANNING. Maybe they have to be emotionally stronger because of all the men abusing them! Hmm, that'd make sense, right! BUT, yes, it DEPENDS ON THE PERSON, very much so.

Men don't scheme generally as a gender.You can't say that.

If anything the snake and woman joined forces to control man.Uh, Adam and Eve references? Haha! Right.


But this is all absolutely irrelevant if we convert our negative traits into the positive.Finally, a sentence I agree with!

Then women will no longer be required to be dog trainers and men will no longer be dogs.I more prefer the chimp analogy. ;)

[totalrecall]

You have misread my post in a feminist rage, lol. I knew I would press an awful lot of "re-actionary" buttons in a few females amongst us. Notice the emphasis on "re"-actionary and not "actionary". Take a deep breath. Relax. It's OK. Your opinions and beliefs are not you. Forget about them. Just reflect. If your opinions are wrong it's irrelevant. Just change them, they aren't your ego. We are all guilty of that though.

My opinions even if correct are not complete and can be easily misinterpreted by the reactionary (non-thinking) person.

Also, it's called the "doghouse" for a reason. All men have experienced the doghouse at some time in their relationshipped lives. The doghouse is the emotional control a woman exerts on a man to further his training. The training is how a man should act with the said woman (which differs from woman to woman). Men know the emotional weapons of women. It can be crying, screaming, shouting, silence, nagging, (even physical abuse) whatever her make-up decrees. Hurt and annoyance is something which both sexes can overcome individually so that the doghouse is no longer needed. It's tough, but doable. There are some techniques out there which can at least help us recognise our actions when we do or say them. I'm only just starting out on this road so I'm a newbie here. I'd like to try new techniques as time goes on.

It sounds like a lot of David Icke women have been brainwashed by the "inner Goddess" new age religion crap. You know the one, where it is time to balance the world with the female aspect etc. because men are primitive, insensitive, non-feeling, warmongering BASTARDS! lol. If only women were politicians and CEOs, then the world would be a world of flowers and love and little children playing. Sorry to burst your bubble, but IMO that line of reasoning is shite. No common man wants to go to war period. He has to be cajoled into it. It's the cajoling part from propaganda (the elite, also read "CEO", "politicians" and "reppies" if you are into that belief) and society (women play a key role in societal pressure). This won't work anymore IMO. In the first world war, women used to give civilian men white feathers as this was a symbol of cowardice. Women never had to fight at all! For whose benefit is this "male-dominated" society? Both sexes were brainwashed so I don't want to single out women as it seems. I'm just pointing out that both sexes are EQUALLY AS GUILTY in their actions in this regard.

What none of the new age stuff cares to mention is that it isn't male actions bad, female actions good. It is the typical base actions of both genders which are "bad". It's merely a difference between "base" and "higher" regardless of the gender. Each individual has positive and negative traits. It's up to us all to first recognise them and then do something about them. How? Well, I will leave that up to other posters. I use a couple of hermetic techniques myself but each to their own.

There is a lot more I could say, but the verbiage is best ended at this point.

Time for a new perspective?

[sine]

Hahahaha, this thread is so hilarious! Orian Reptilian Queen... how hilarious, hahahaha!

I have a Thomas Carlyle first copy of Oliver Cromwell's Parliamentry Letter's and Speaches, 1648-58, where a reference is made to a Great British Hydra, which was aactually a reference to Queen Elizabeth 1st, cause she was a May Poler, which look's like this - $, or you could call it a suffi Whirling Dervish that spin's her spinal column like what Shakespeare eluded to in his/her famous quote: "I shall wrap a girdle roundabout the Earth", and if you don't know how to use your Roslyn Winding Apprentice Pillar spinal collumn's onthe Lay Line grid, then you won't return to Earth after you die then will you, hahahaha!

Orion Reptile Queen... fucking hilarious, hahahahaha!

[lordzoma]

Yeah... let's all have a laugh at the expense of the most 'powerful' and 'influential' reptillian of them all. Their Queen. :rolleyes:

[question mark]

Any analysis of cultures, religions etc that prevail on Earth, will surely confirm that patriarchy and misogyny have in fact dominated.

It was not always so for Humans. I reiterate, through various means Human males were programmed to embrace Reptilian attitudes towards females.

Of course, not all males are misogynistic and females often collude with societies devaluing of the feminine :)

Yes i totally agree about religions on earth, its centred around patriarchy which we feel is completly wrong. again that has nothing to do with us, we see the alpha draco as very retarded within their thinking and opressive also. I have witnissed this myself

Yes you are right about that the reptilians down here have a certain hatred towards women, but to go into that would be a long story, its to do with the queen and their hatred for her.

The queen was thinking of coming here to sought out this mess and to hand the planet back to humans as she feels you guys are the rightful heirs to the planet. She is also deeply upset at the way you have been tampered with.

But she feels that maybe her coming here isnt such a good idea as you wouldnt except her. So we have decided to let you guys ride it out as we feel you do have the capabilities to over throw the alpha draco.

[question mark]

Yeah... let's all have a laugh at the expense of the most 'powerful' and 'influential' reptillian of them all. Their Queen. :rolleyes:

That queen elizabeth is an imposter and she will be dealt with accordingly for the tourment she has caused down here.

[sygyt]

My guess is this: IT'S NOT REAL.

Of course, neither is half of the other shit DI talks about.

I love these Reptilian fantasies,these threads are comedy gold.

[sygyt]

i had the same thought.

i like the idea of reptilians ruling planet earth,it makes total sense and their are many facts to back these claims up through symbolism and writings on cave walls
but i still have an open mind to the fact it could be bullshit aswell....

It is bullshit.

[sygyt]

Maybe, after all, Icke is perceived as sane by the public at large for saying that Lizards run the World isn't he?
Wonders never cease.
yours thankfully
John

No,he is regarded as a total nutcase.

[sygyt]

I will not be reading the Matrix V trilogy.

From what I have seen on the thread associated with the material, I believe the information to be flawed.

There are much better Science Fiction books .

[sygyt]

Almost nothing that David Icke talks about is real.These forums are very entertaining though.Hours of innocent amusement.

Yes,these forums are a tonic.How much a year does Icke make out of his followers?

[sygyt]

Most uninformed comment of the day.

Lol,now that is funny,Icke talks nothing but unmitigated shite.

[sygyt]

Hahahaha, this thread is so hilarious! Orian Reptilian Queen... how hilarious, hahahaha!

I have a Thomas Carlyle first copy of Oliver Cromwell's Parliamentry Letter's and Speaches, 1648-58, where a reference is made to a Great British Hydra, which was aactually a reference to Queen Elizabeth 1st, cause she was a May Poler, which look's like this - $, or you could call it a suffi Whirling Dervish that spin's her spinal column like what Shakespeare eluded to in his/her famous quote: "I shall wrap a girdle roundabout the Earth", and if you don't know how to use your Roslyn Winding Apprentice Pillar spinal collumn's onthe Lay Line grid, then you won't return to Earth after you die then will you, hahahaha!

Orion Reptile Queen... fucking hilarious, hahahahaha!

How anyone can actually believe this Reptilian nonsense is a mystery to me.Lack of education?

[lordzoma]

That queen elizabeth is an imposter and she will be dealt with accordingly for the tourment she has caused down here.

I am NOT talking about any 'queen' found on Earth.

[pound]

Lol,now that is funny,Icke talks nothing but unmitigated shite.

Like what? Show and prove.

[connection]

You have misread my post in a feminist rage, lol.
Keep tellin' yourself that ;)

I knew I would press an awful lot of "re-actionary" buttons in a few females amongst us. Notice the emphasis on "re"-actionary and not "actionary".We aren't robots, we don't have '"re-actionary" buttons'...

Take a deep breath. Relax. It's OK. Your opinions and beliefs are not you.Yes, Yes, they are me, they are from me, they are from my mind, meaning they are MY thoughts, and my mind is what makes ME, ME, so yes, my opinions and beliefs are me. But if you live by THAT line, then neither are yours - cat-flaps swing both ways, didn't you know? ;)

Forget about them. Just reflect. If your opinions are wrong it's irrelevant.A-ha! But they are not wrong. You may just reflect on what you've said yourself, since that's the best idea, right?


Just change them, they aren't your ego.Whaaaaaaatttttttt?! Okay so if you think something is truly wrong, why would you change that thought? Like I'm against racism, for example, why would I suddenly tell myself; "My opinions are wrong. They are not my ego. They are not me, it's time to be me," and start loving racism? Because that's practically what you want me to do, if we add up all your points.

We are all guilty of that though.Meh, speak for yourself!

My opinions even if correct are not complete and can be easily misinterpreted by the reactionary (non-thinking) person.Not complete? I'll say!... And are you calling me non-thinking? Because I am DEFF. thinking, especially about how you are seemingly trying to turn me against my opinions?

Also, it's called the "doghouse" for a reason.Okay, is that because it's for dogs?

All men have experienced the doghouse at some time in their relationshipped lives.Well maybe if people WEREN'T dogs, people wouldn't be in a DOGhouse now would they? Surely if "all men" have been put in the "doghouse", all men ARE dogs. ;)

[Not saying they are - just making a point :p]

The doghouse is the emotional control a woman exerts on a man to further his training.A-ha! (Once again!) If men didn't need training in the first place, it wouldn't have to begin or be continued.
The training is how a man should act with the said woman (which differs from woman to woman). Men know the emotional weapons of women. It can be crying, screaming, shouting, silence, nagging, (even physical abuse) whatever her make-up decrees.EMOTIONAL WEAPONS OF WOMEN? :D
Heh, I think that's because we have more emotion then, perhaps? Just hazarding a guess, mind you! Back to your example case, then, if a woman brandished her 'Emotional Weapon' at a man, he still has no right to hit her unless it would be an even fight, as started by her. All IMO, ofc, ofc... Because males might have the advantage, and if a woman just him him lightly, you know, not properly, he SHOULD NEVER just hit her properly back, that's just... unfair and wrong.

Hurt and annoyance is something which both sexes can overcome individually so that the doghouse is no longer needed....The doghouse would never have been needed if there never was any hurt and annoyance in the first place. You can't just clear it all up by yourselves, especially if it's emotional problems in your relationship, you have to talk it over to find the right solution - it's where a lot of people go wrong.

It's tough, but doable. There are some techniques out there which can at least help us recognise our actions when we do or say them. I'm only just starting out on this road so I'm a newbie here. I'd like to try new techniques as time goes on.

It sounds like a lot of David Icke women have been brainwashed by the "inner Goddess" new age religion crap. You know the one, where it is time to balance the world with the female aspect etc. because men are primitive, insensitive, non-feeling, warmongering BASTARDS! lol.Experimenting can go awfully wrong, just testing rough ground.

And - Hm. Not really. I haven't. Most people I know here haven't.

If only women were politicians and CEOs, then the world would be a world of flowers and love and little children playing. Sorry to burst your bubble, but IMO that line of reasoning is shite.Awhhhhhh, MY personal bubble? Really? Where did you conjure up this magical bubble that's supposed to be mine? No one ever said anyone was perfect, just better in different fields...

No common man wants to go to war period. He has to be cajoled into it.Obviously...

It's the cajoling part from propaganda (the elite, also read "CEO", "politicians" and "reppies" if you are into that belief) and society (women play a key role in societal pressure). This won't work anymore IMO. In the first world war, women used to give civilian men white feathers as this was a symbol of cowardice. Women never had to fight at all! For whose benefit is this "male-dominated" society? Both sexes were brainwashed so I don't want to single out women as it seems. I'm just pointing out that both sexes are EQUALLY AS GUILTY in their actions in this regard.

What none of the new age stuff cares to mention is that it isn't male actions bad, female actions good. It is the typical base actions of both genders which are "bad". It's merely a difference between "base" and "higher" regardless of the gender. Each individual has positive and negative traits. It's up to us all to first recognise them and then do something about them. How? Well, I will leave that up to other posters. I use a couple of hermetic techniques myself but each to their own.

There is a lot more I could say, but the verbiage is best ended at this point.

Time for a new perspective? I agree with some of your points, but disagree with the majority of them, and my perspective will remain the same - here we are veering off topic slightly - look at it this way; Rights of a man to hit a woman? Zilch, unless, as I've said, in self defence with equal strength. Which is still a fairly minute ever possibility.

I don't believe in all that "new age" crap anyway, did you think that I did?

[octopusrex]

Dear Friends
kind regards
David Icke was the first conspiracy theorist that talked about Reptilian rule of Earth.
Icke has talked about the Reptiles plan for World domination, he has even outlined the in-fighting among different Illuminati factions.
He has even talked about how the power goes even beyond the mainstream Reptilian bloodlines (an example is how the Queen fears a Reptilian called Pindar).
The M5 Author talks about the Orion Reptile Queen and she is known as the most powerful Reptilian in the ranks.
She is so terrifying that all of the mainstream Illuminati bloodline Reptilians known by name fear her.
The Orion Reptile Queen will soon be returning to add this planet to the Orion Empire and take it back from the Rebel Queen.
Why hasn't David Icke mentioned the Orion Reptile Queen and what else is there to know about the Reptilians that Icke hasn't covered overall?
If you could contribute to this thread with your views and knowledge I'd appreciate it.
yours thankfully
John

Orion is your friend. Do not bring fear to your heart. Embrace Orion.

[sloughi]

6 May 1998
3:15 p.m.
Atlanta, Georgia
Protocols: Enhanced SRV, Type 2
Target coordinates: 6893/9086

I begin in this session by perceiving numerous subjects, each one at a time. Most of the subjects appear to be Reptilian, but one seems human with a military flavor. In Phase 3, I perceive the curved horizon of a planet with buildings and natural formations below.

In Phase 4, I perceive subjects, and emotions of pain. There is a great deal of activity in subspace. I perceive something circular in subspace, like a subspace planet. When I probe the physicals column, it feels shadowy and dim. When I probe the subspace column, it feels alive and filled with activity. In subspace I perceive subjects, land, a structure, and a circular surface.

This feels like a subspace planet with structural features. There is bustling activity here. The subjects do not feel human. I perceive a subspace bureaucracy. This feels like a high point in the life of the subjects, or perhaps their civilization. There are subspace buildings and further construction. There are very new structures mixed with older structures. But there is a vibrancy here. This civilization is alive and well.

Moving to the most important center of government for this society I perceive a large structure. I am near or on the surface of this place during the period of activity. There are lots of nonhuman subjects walking about.
I move to the primary subjects in the most important governing body while they are meeting, and I perceive both male and female subjects. There appears to be a matriarchal governmental situation. There is a large female nonhuman wearing some coverings or clothes. I deduct a Reptilian.

I execute a deep mind probe on the subject, and I perceive the concept of control. This Reptilian does not feel anger, but there is a certain sharpness. The mind does not merge well with mine. There is a cut-and-dried attitude with this subject. I perceive no softness to her personality.

I move to the next most important aspect of this target. I perceive an outside environment that is clean and healthy.

Again shifting my awareness, I move to the location that would be optimal to perceive the primary problems of the society. There are subjects in a room. They are experiencing pain associated with torture. There are severe human rights problems here. This society tortures subjects. This is a prison, and large numbers of subjects are incarcerated. This appears to be a way of emptying the society of problems. These prisoners have been locked up and forgotten.

I move to the next most important aspect of the target, and I perceive that I should shift my awareness to the target civilization and execute a collective deep mind probe. I do so. There are millions of subjects here, all struggling to survive. The consciousness of the subjects feels rough and harsh. But I perceive an innocence in the desire to understand existence, evolution, and life. These people are alone and besieged. They have been forgotten, abandoned, and rejected. They sense an intense anger and a need to fight. The subjects fight naturally. They appear difficult to work with. Give and take does not come easily for them.
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