What about the Greek/Roman mythology?

[baron von lotsov]

So many years have I spent reading conspiracy theory on the Illuminati and one huge gaping hole appears to be evident. I have also spent years reading academic books from the likes of Oxford and all that sort of thing, and the two don't map onto one another as close as you might be led to believe. I recall one book on Nietzsche and the preface/introduction was about a fair proportion of the book. Now this guy was certainly one of them and his obsession with the darkside but he rambled on and on about two so called schools of thought, one called Apollonian and there was another conflicting one also bearing the Roman/Greek pantheon in it somewhere.

Now look in any art gallery. Go to the National Gallery in London, try the one in Manchester or the Ashmolean in Oxford and look at the paintings and what do you see? Look at the Bank of England in Threadneedle Street and again what do you see?

Hidden in plain view as per usual. The real elite are into this stuff, not Crowley and idiots of that ilk.

[december]

Don't Judge a Book by Its Cover...

Or in other words, it does NOT matter how your buildings look like, but what does matter is who's inside those buildings... :)
The Rothschilds run your country...



"On Sunday, June 18, 1815, Rothworth, a courier of Nathan Rothschild, head of the London branch of the family, was on the battlefield, and upon seeing that Napoleon was being beaten, went by horse to Brussels, then to Ostende, and for 2,000 francs, got a sailor to get him to England across stormy seas. When Nathan Rothschild received the news on June 20th, he informed the government, who did not believe him. So, with everyone believing Wellington to be defeated, Rothschild immediately began to sell all of his stock on the English Stock Market. Everyone else followed his lead, and also began selling, causing stocks to plummet to practically nothing. At the last minute, his agents secretly began buying up the stocks at rock-bottom prices. On June 21, at 11 PM, Wellington's envoy, Major Henry Percy showed up at the War Office with his report that Napoleon had been crushed in a bitter eight hour battle, losing a third of his men. This gave the Rothschild family complete control of the British economy, and forced England to set up a new Bank of England, which Nathan Rothschild controlled.

However, that wasn't the only angle he used to profit from the Battle of Waterloo. Mayer Amschel Rothschild sent some of William's money to his son Nathan in London, and according to the Jewish Encyclopedia: "Nathan invested it in 800,000 pounds of gold from the East India Company, knowing it would be needed for Wellington's peninsula campaign. He made no less than four profits: (1) on the sale of Wellington's paper (which he bought at 50¢ on the dollar); (2) on the sale of gold to Wellington; (3) on its repurchase; and (4) on forwarding it to Portugal. This was the beginning of the great fortune."

After Napoleon's defeat, Prince William returned to resume his rule. Buderus was made a Baron, and the Rothschilds were the richest bankers in Europe.
In 1817, France, in order to get back on their feet again, secured loans from a French banking house in Ouvrard, and from the Baring Brothers in London. The Rothschilds saw their chance to get a firm grip on the French economy, and on October, 1818, Rothschild agents began buying huge amounts of French government bonds, which caused their value to increase. On November 5th, they were dumped on the open market, creating a financial panic as their value declined. Thus, the Rothschilds gained control of France.

http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/final_warning/house_of_rothschild_final_warnin.htm




"The Rothschilds often financed both sides in a conflict and were known to have great political influence, the mere sight of the red shield on a leather pouch, a carriage, or a ship's flag was sufficient to insure that the messenger or his cargo could pass through check points in either direction." 4
They didn't care who won. They didn't care about right or wrong. They didn't care about the dead or human suffering. They only care about profit. Playing both sides ensured a continued profit stream once the conflict reached a resolution. The longer the conflict continued, the more profit to be made. In addition, the Rothschilds front ran the conflict's outcome. Most notably was Napoleon's defeat at Waterloo where Rothschild's messenger beat Wellington's courier to London by 20 hours. This news-ahead-of-the-news allowed Rothschild's agent the opportunity to bait-and-switch the bond market by beginning a panic selling spree as if Wellington lost. Once the bond market collapsed, the agent reversed course and bought up the entire debt.

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_04/chuhran042504.html


The ultra-rich Rothschilds notoriously controlled the banking interests of Old Europe and were well known for profiting off the blood of nations through wars. Indeed, an interesting story relating to the Rothschilds appeared in the book _The Romance of the Rothschilds_ by Ignatius Balla. Apparently, the London Rothschild went to Waterloo where the fate of Europe hung in the balance and saw that Napoleon was losing the battle. He managed to get back to England by sailing through a dangerous storm that night. Later, he appeared at the stock market and sold his securities, only to have secret agents buy them back at lower rates once people decided that Rothschild must be right for bailing on them. This allowed Rothschild to profit enormously from the Battle of Waterloo at the expense of the people. Mullins traces the Federal Reserve bankers back to Old Europe through a "London Connection". Indeed, all the primary movers and shakers behind the Federal Reserve have this "London Connection". In this way, the Rothschilds and the old wealth of Europe have maintained their control over the United States and indeed the world.

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http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/3/39/Nathan_Mayer_Rothschild.jpg

Rothschild, Nathan Meyer, 1777–1836, British banker, b. Frankfurt, Germany; of the famous Rothschild family. He went to England in 1797, was naturalized in 1804, and opened a business house in London in 1805. He acted as agent of the British government in supplying subsidies to the powers opposing Napoleon I and was of vital help in the defeat of the French emperor.

http://www.answers.com/topic/nathan-mayer-rothschild

[baron von lotsov]

Yes but it does not address the point I was making.

[geo2]

"On Sunday, June 18, 1815, Rothworth, a courier of Nathan Rothschild, head of the London branch of the family, was on the battlefield, and upon seeing that Napoleon was being beaten, went by horse to Brussels, then to Ostende, and for 2,000 francs, got a sailor to get him to England across stormy seas.

Alan Watt said they had a 'cell-phone' type of phone n 'called' London............
yes in 1815.....
n u can ask 'matrix-cutter' n maybe he will get u the 'link', it's there, 4sure !

{ he also said that Edward R Murrow had a 'cell-phone' with a TV Screen in 1944 at the Invasion-of-Europe and re-marked that we-all would soon have 'em', here it is 63yrs later n we still only have 'em' in part }:eek:

[baron von lotsov]

Does anyone care to address the subject of the thread or am I wasting my time? It seems you people can't debate anything outside of your box. What has happened to free thinking?

This is what I'm trying to say, everyone parrots the next person and the real elite get away with it. You have been trained to be easily distracted. How many conspiracy sites mention Greek/Roman mythology? Why are the elite so much into this? I got some sort of a pointer after reading one of them; indeed I felt they act like some kind of cult. Aldous Huxley modelled the 60s on an ancient Dionysian cult. Are we getting any warmer now people?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations!, Baron Von Lotsov:

I was looking forward to an interesting discussion also, Baron.

As you are probably aware, I embrace the Doctrines of Father Yahweh, and as amplified by Yahshua Messiah. I probably would not have intruded into your thread, as to us Messianic Yahwists, it is merely God worship, the two schools of thought.

They are not obeying or serving Yahhweh.

I, for one, wish you would expand on your initial Post. What are the Specifics of the Art and Symbolism you observed?

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[baron von lotsov]

Cordial Felicitations!, Baron Von Lotsov:

I was looking forward to an interesting discussion also, Baron.

As you are probably aware, I embrace the Doctrines of Father Yahweh, and as amplified by Yahshua Messiah. I probably would not have intruded into your thread, as to us Messianic Yahwists, it is merely God worship, the two schools of thought.

They are not obeying or serving Yahhweh.

I, for one, wish you would expand on your initial Post. What are the Specifics of the Art and Symbolism you observed?

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus


This Yahhweh bollox again has nothing to do with it. How much do you know about the classics? Nearly every public school teaches it above a certain level of elitism and at Oxford nearly every degree is a double degree. Odd mixtures like classics and philosophy. Yes they love their philosophy too and I have read a bit. All their ideas are coming from their people who have existed through the ages. Art is another giveaway, the stuff they hang in their mansions, and it's nearly always to do with some story or other in Greek mythology. It goes with the Renaissance and the Medici bankers. They infused Catholicism, the Romans and Greeks and Humanism. Odd don't you think? Ah and the Olympics and the eternal flame and all of that business. Again it goes back to the Greeks and they even refer to themselves as Olympians.

[anoninnyc]

Not quite sure why this very interesting thread got hijacked.

Baron von lotsov, you have a point and i can't believe i never thought of it myself.................

How do the roman/greek gods relate to the illuminati?

sorry i have nothing to add but this question and hope that others can provide some answers or links to relevant information

[_invisibleplane_]

yeah I think it's a pretty interesting point...I recall reading that the greek gods match up with the sumerian gods quite similarily, and sumer is clearly an important time, with the truth of what it was about not well known('gods' interbreeding with man, perhaps the beginning of the 'divine' bloodlines that could be connected to the bloodlines in power today? they also both share great significance to the number 6 and 12....and of course there is Z Sitchin who tries to disinfo it too, so you would think there is some very crucial info being covered up

Jesus - Je Zeus..what could that mean?

here's an interesting link..
http://www.strayreality.com/Lanis_Strayreality/gods_of_heaven_and_earth.htm



Were the Gods of Sumer like the Greek Gods, who were described as living at a great court, feasting in the Great Hall of Zeus….in the Heavens…whose counterpart on Earth was Greece’s Mount Olympus?

Since the Greeks had adopted the culture and technology and religion from the Near East, there is no doubt that their Gods are duplicate versions of the Sumerian Gods….who were the "Anunnaki" (the Nephilim).

The Greeks described their "Anunnaki" Gods as anthropomorphic, as similar to mortal men and women, and human in character: (Although there are also many references to alien type beings....as well). They could be happy, angry, and jealous. They made love, quarreled, fought, and they procreated like humans, bringing forth offspring through sexual intercourse with each other, or the humans.


They were unreachable, and yet they were constantly mixed up in human affairs. They could travel about at immense speeds, appear and disappear, they had weapons of immense and unusual power. They were giant Titans, each had specific responsibilities, and as a result, a specific human activity could suffer or benefit by the attitude of the God in charge of that particular activity.

Therefore rituals of worship and offerings to the Gods….were supposed to gain them favor.

In Greece, there are 12 giant Titan Gods, (6 males, 6 females), with astrological counterparts. The original Olympus was described as lying in the "pure upper air". The original twelve great Gods of Heaven, who had come down to Earth, and they represented the 12 celestial bodies in the "Vault of Heaven".

The Latin names of the Greek Gods, given them when the Romans adopted the Greek pantheon, clarify their astral associations: Gaia was Earth, Hermes was Mercury, Aphrodite was Venus, Ares was Mars, Cronus was Saturn, and Zeus was Jupiter. Continuing the Greek tradition, the Romans envisioned "Jupiter", as a thundering God, whose weapon was the lightning bolt: (Like the Greeks, the Romans associated him with the "bull").

The foundations of the distinct Greek civilization were laid on the Island of Crete, where the Minoan culture flourished from circa 2700 BC to 1400 BC. In Minoan history the tale of the Minotaur is prominent. This half-man, half-bull was the offspring of Pasiphae, (the wife of King Minos, and a bull).

Archaeological finds….have confirmed the extensive Minoan worship of the bull, and some cylinder seals depict the bull as a divine being, accompanied by the cross symbol, which stood for some unidentified star or planet. Which we propose was Nibiru.

The Symbol for Planet Nibiru is the "Cross"
(It stands for the "planet of crossing")

The Bull worshipped by the Minoans wasn’t the common earthly creature, but the celestial bull, (the constellation Taurus), in commemoration of some event that had occurred when the sun’s spring equinox appeared in that constellation, circa 4000 BC.

(I personally believe that all these beasts in mythological history did exist…..as a result of the "Anunnaki’s cloning experiments…..but died out because of bad genetics…unable to bear offspring..... or were killed). It was said that Napolean received a life-size stuffed and mounted "Centaur".....and many things have been uncovered in "forbidden archaeology".

By Greek tradition, Zues arrived on the Greek mainland via Crete, where he had fled (by swimming the Mediterranean), after abducting Europa, the beautiful daughter of the King of the Phoenician city of Tyre. (The earliest Minoan script was a Semitic dialect from the shores of the Eastern Mediterranean).

The Greeks in fact, never claimed that the Olympian Gods came directly to Greece, from the Heavens. (Zeus arrived from across the Mediterranean, via Crete), Aphrodite was said to have come by Sea from the Near East, via Cypress. Poseidon (Neptune to the Romans), brought the horse with him from Asia Minor. Athena brought "the olive, fertile and self-sown", to Greece from the lands of the Bible.

There is no doubt….that the Greek traditions and religion arrived on the Greek Mainland from the Near East, via Asia Minor and the Mediterranean islands.

It is there that their pantheon had its roots, it is there that we should look for the origins of the Greek Gods, and their astral relationship with the number twelve.

[bigus_dickus]

Jesus - Je Zeus..what could that mean?

jesus - je zeus? that's not applicable. you can't make that link just because it has two syllables and ends with "-us".

zeus, deus is from the root -div, -dif (divine, divinity), which means God and light. free translation, it means "bright", or "the light".

who says that the Romans have ever stopped being pagans? is the "holy trinity" doctrine actually monotheism?

[december]

Yes but it does not address the point I was making.

Well, your thread is about mythology which you, for some reason, believe to be Evil, and you also believe that "The real elite are into this stuff...".
Here's what you have said:

Hidden in plain view as per usual. The real elite are into this stuff, not Crowley and idiots of that ilk.

But my point is that the REAL elite is the one that owns the country (the Rothschilds) and not the ones that built these buildings...

[baron von lotsov]

When they build these buildings they commission them. Remember that international court building in Israel? The Rothschilds were intimately involved with the architecture. There is a picture somewhere of the Rothschilds working with the architects if you care to dig it out. The Medici family were very keen patrons of the arts; they got involved to an extent way beyond what an average millionaire does today in the design of their Mc mansions.

[anoninnyc]

When they build these buildings they commission them. Remember that international court building in Israel? The Rothschilds were intimately involved with the architecture. There is a picture somewhere of the Rothschilds working with the architects if you care to dig it out. The Medici family were very keen patrons of the arts; they got involved to an extent way beyond what an average millionaire does today in the design of their Mc mansions.

you need to take a look at the pale horse/ bill cooper thread. thetonic posted a link to a video online of bill cooper and one of the things he talks about is how the illuminati hid their secrets in architecture. the freemasons, hello.......... so you are definitely onto something here.

[baron von lotsov]

you need to take a look at the pale horse/ bill cooper thread. thetonic posted a link to a video online of bill cooper and one of the things he talks about is how the illuminati hid their secrets in architecture. the freemasons, hello.......... so you are definitely onto something here.


Yes well I spend a lot of my youth learning about it. Something gives me the distinct impression that their affinity to the classics is something akin to how they would have their own ancestor's portraits lining the walls of their palaces. There must be some sort of bloodline connections in it somewhere.

Plato is one of their favourites incidentally. Did you ever read Plato's Republic? It's not the kind of utopian society that I would understand and neither that of Thomas Moore. The latter I could not even handle reading much of it due to its distinctly evil overtones. I wondered at the time whether any of the critics had noticed but they didn't, they are much like parrots.

[edelweiss pirate]

The word "Illusions" originates I think from the Elusian mysteries...

I don't know an awful lot about them, and it is virtually impossible to find out, but the masons know about it.

Orpheus is another interesting one too.

I think these mysteries originated in Egypt, and with the fall of Rome, were inherited by the Moslem people as they conquered the ancient lands.

The key to it is a highly stylised and orchestrated campaign against the person, to deprive them of their sense of reality, thus initiating them into an awareness of what they really are, a bit like taking the red pill. Seeing reality as it is with hightened perception.

The greeks also used to 'do it' with kids. Platonic love really means pederasty They did this to initiate them into a different perception of reality. What Icke might call "trauma based mind control'.

[anoninnyc]

Plato is one of their favourites incidentally. Did you ever read Plato's Republic? It's not the kind of utopian society that I would understand and neither that of Thomas Moore. The latter I could not even handle reading much of it due to its distinctly evil overtones. I wondered at the time whether any of the critics had noticed but they didn't, they are much like parrots.

i have read both the republican and utopia..... but that was in college. my recollection isn't so great. but i do recall that plato's version recommended the breakdown of the family where parent and child are separated.

[baron von lotsov]

i have read both the republican and utopia..... but that was in college. my recollection isn't so great. but i do recall that plato's version recommended the breakdown of the family where parent and child are separated.

Oh yes that is one of the things that got me thinking at the time. In addition he said every boy should be given what we would call national service. It is as was mentioned above, all about breaking the young boys sense of self. Many of the most elite schools practice this and older kids doing really horrible stuff to the young ones is almost encouraged by the masters. Boarding schools especially.

[anoninnyc]

Oh yes that is one of the things that got me thinking at the time. In addition he said every boy should be given what we would call national service. It is as was mentioned above, all about breaking the young boys sense of self. Many of the most elite schools practice this and older kids doing really horrible stuff to the young ones is almost encouraged by the masters. Boarding schools especially.

aren't english boarding schools notorious for buggery?

[baron von lotsov]

aren't english boarding schools notorious for buggery?


Yes and you know what? The Greeks were as well. A lot of homosexuals use Plato's Symposium as some sort of justification.